Thursday, January 28th, 2010 at 10:30 am  |  31 responses

Ron Artest’s Struggles With the Triangle

Phil Jackson expresses what just about any Lakers fan could’ve told you at this point in the season: “Phil Jackson said after the victory in Indiana that Artest did well on defense against Danny Granger but remains an offensive struggle. Artest shot 1 for 6 from the field with one assist and one turnover in 24 minutes. Jackson said Artest isn’t getting it ‘as quickly as I’d like. Everything he’s trying to do is kind of forcing the action,’ Jackson said. Artest again sat out the entire fourth quarter in favor of Shannon Brown, who isn’t yet up to being the triangle facilitator but still is far ahead of Artest in understanding the offense.”

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  • Brian

    Who could have predicted this?

  • CDub23KB24


  • A.

    Everyone except Laker fanboys.

  • jumpman3224

    We won’t be able to tell how well or not well the Artest signing works out until post season. At that point his toughness and one on one defense might keep him on the floor and vital to the lakers chances. I suspect we will start hearing his name in trade rumors, if not at the deadline certainly when it comes time for sign and trades this summer.

  • http://www.twahc.blogspot.com twahc

    how bout trade for trevor ariza?

  • T-Money

    rockets clearly got the better end of that ”trade”. i’m curious to see how artest is going to fare against pierce this week-end. melo and bron pretty much took him to the cleaners already. yes, he can body up weak wings like granger but guys like bron and melo can’t be roughed up. that’s when his lack of lateral quickness gets exposed.

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  • JoeMaMa

    Many games to go. Jackson will work some magic and Artest will fit. Artest wants to win! The triangle takes some time, but he’ll get there. Remember, there’s what, another 40 games? PLENTY of time.

  • LA Huey

    People were raving about Artest’s hoops IQ and how learning the triangle wouldn’t be a problem. Sounds like it’ll still take him about a season to get it down.

  • memyselfand9

    we need a video of artest explaining the triangle to shin shin.

  • http://www.twitter.com/Th3_R3al_Chris Th3_R3al_Chris

    Right now Cleveland is looking like the most dominant team in the NBA. The fact that their acquisition took some time but panned out by mid-season and that Ron Ron still hasn’t “gotten it” yet is troublesome. They played half a season and have had half a season’s worth of practices by now.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    with kobe, pau, drew, lamar, then farmer and brown jacking it up off the bench. what did you expect? ron’s role on offense is bacically spot up at the 3 line.

  • rob

    I don’t care if Artest can’t score, that’s not his role. Kobe, Gasol and Bynum are the ones who have that obligation, Shannon and Derek can contribute as well. He must learn to move the ball though, but Artest is playing tough defense as usual, Gasol and Bynum should be learning and they aren’t. They are big soft guys. If Bynum was meaner and played tougher, he would be the best center in the West easily.

  • http://theurbangriot.com/ NUPE

    Still plenty of time left in the season and the lakers have a ton of talent. As long as Artest doesn’t start complaining about his role and his touches, then they’ll be o.k.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    The weird part about this is, Artest is arguably their second best scorer…

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com/madlib Michael NZ

    Nah, Gasol is a more talented scorer than Artest. But still, yeah.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    Arguably 3rd best scorer.

  • http://theurbangriot.com/ NUPE

    That’s the benefit of having Artest. Phil can play him as ‘just’ a defensive specialist, or in special situations (e.g. Kobe having a bad game or out) he could then switch things up a bit and ‘feature’ Artest on O. Not enough basketballs to satisfy all the scorers but if they can learn and play thier perspective roles, anothe chip is certainly possible.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Man… the Lakers are in trouble man. Cavs are crazy dominant. And their record is RIDICULOUS!!! If Artest doesn’t pick up the Lakers are done like dinner fool.

  • RedRum

    I hate this triangle stuff… listen people… the triangle is not some mythical offense, that once you learn you can win everything. It is motion offense development, that needs a bit more attention to spacing, ball movement and off-ball player movement. These are principles that have been the basis of offenses in europe for decades, i remember playing similar offenses when I was 10… That is why european players But Jax is a master communicator. He sold the Triangle to MJ and Kobe as a mythical offense, that once they play withing it they would automatically win.

  • fizzbuster

    Derek Fisher? That dude was bricking every shot he took last night.

  • RedRum

    I pressed submit before finishing… I meant that this is why European player slip in the offense effortlessly. Because they have been taught those principles for 13 years (most players in Europe start playing at 5 in teams).

  • http://www.realultimatepower.net doyouwantmore

    Trevor Ariza has more intelligence and emotional maturity than Ron Artest. And the Lakers suck. And Laker fanboys suck forever.

  • http://Egotastic.com Michael

    Truth is that Ariza didn’t really get the triangle either. Last Season The Lakers were a much better offensive team with Luke starting than with Ariza.

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    RedRum: Is that why most European players can’t fit into any other offense in the NBA?

  • iLL wiLL

    Equilateral Triangle.

  • RedRum


    no, they fit on the Spurs offense, which is very similar.

    They do not fit in others because most other teams, apart from the Spurs, base their offense in one on one offenses. Though isolation play has been down since they allowed zone, most teams still isolate. Most European players do not have the athletism to take their defender one on one. So they other become spot up shooters, or just mop the bench…

  • http://dsjfhklf.com Jukai

    RedRum: Fair enough, I do notice a lot of teams with structured offenses (Utah, San Antonio) have more European players… Toronto being the exception.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    San Antonio and Utah have structured offenses but they aren’t identical to the triangle. Tex Winter invented the triangle. Correct me if I’m wrong, but they aren’t the same. Right?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    James with the sarcasm… If it weren’t James typing that I would have thought he was serious..

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