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Tuesday, August 24th, 2010 at 9:00 am  |  83 responses

Doc Rivers: ‘[Lakers] Still Have Not Beaten Our Starting Five’

Doc kept harping on this fact to motivate his troops during last season’s NBA Finals. He’s still doing it, as SRI transcribes: “Number one you gotta congratulate them because they won. They still have not beaten our starting five. Our starting five against the Lakers starting five has a ring. Tell him don’t forget that. We will be back strong and Perk (Kendrick Perkins) will be there next year if there’s a game seven.”

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  • Ron

    if there’s a game seven? like in the first round against the 5 seed?

  • peter

    This is really clutching at straws Doc. As far as I remember, they haven’t beaten the Lakers’ starting 5 either. How much did Bynum play that year?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Prophet, Doc Rivers.

  • Ryan D

    Is this guy serious? Illusions of grandeur.

  • dsleepy21

    doc is a cool nickname

  • Darius (Eastern Michigan’s Future)

    I would say this is foolish but it actually is true because they got killed on the boards in Game 7 & that wouldnt of happen if Perk was there

  • Ben

    What a joke! The Lakers weren’t healthy in 2008, 2009 or 2010, especially by the time the Finals came around. And Perkins would not have saved the “Big 4″ from their choke job in the 2nd half of Game 7…

  • http://www.springbored.net letsmotor

    It’s true. I know people are going to bitch about him saying this, but it’s not like he’s trying to take anything away from the Lakers–he congratulated them. All he’s doing is stating fact.

  • Will Chamberlain

    Doc must have amnesia. Bynum wasn’t there when they won in 08, either. They got that good in beantown. Lake show baby! three peat!

  • bucketz

    So what if the lakers didn’t beat ur starting 5! They beat u and ur team!!!

  • James

    @Peter, that’s so true. In the 2008 NBA Finals, Bynum didn’t play one single minute and this year he was clearly injured. BTW Perkins did play for 6 games and after that the series was tied 3-3, so it’s not like perk was out the entire series like Bynum was in 08.

  • Yesse

    This is stupid. I think Lakers could have won even if Celtics had Perkins. Better luck next year, Doc.

  • underdog

    Loser.

  • SWIFTboy

    Doc should worry more about the future and less about trying to re-write history.

  • Iannyb

    Bynum was out for 2008 remember guys, and as much as Perkins would’ve probably have made a difference, Lakers played dignified ball by not baiting Perkins into a technical which would’ve resulted into a one game suspension. Doc Rivers would’ve jumped on that in the first game if it were the other way round.

  • Boobr

    Maybe. But they still beaten your whole team.

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    Doc keeping it all the way real here…this is coming from a Laker fan

  • Exile

    Whatever. That is meant for the Celtics and their fans. Kinda like when Phil pipes off about the Spurs asterik championship and Nash palming th ball.

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    Hey Doc, coach phil heard you. Seems like he’s willing to give you last year’s chip, because gosh-o-mighty you played game seven without kendrick perkins! KENDRICK. PERKINS. Besides, he’s already got 10 of those suckers, I reckon it wouldn’t hurt him to part ways with just one, so’s we could see you just shut your whiny-ass up. You’re welcome.

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    And I see your “perk’s game seven” and would like to raise to “bynum’s entire playoffs”, because you could make an argument that LA didn’t beat their starting five? Sheeeeeeeeit. We pushed you to the brink with our starting 4 and a 1/2 in 6 games. Suck it.

  • riggs

    lakers wouldve lost game 7. youre stupid if you dont see that.

  • http://kb24.com Bigi

    This is just sillyness, they beat YOU.Period. Just get ready for next season Doc & Co…The Lakers weren’t making exuces when you beat them without Drew 08′.

  • Ali

    Lost must still sting months later…damn! Let it go Doc and get the fellaz ready for the upcoming season.

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    Riggs: because inserting one player in a roster would change a hotly contested game, right? I mean, it’s so simple! Kendrick Perkins could’ve won it all! He should be MVP of the entire make-believe association! I mean, I’m stupid of course! Logic wins!

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    This is the same exact reason I never took part of bynum’s absence in 2008: it didn’t matter, it would serve no use for LA fans to wish that time would move backwards, and install skytech cybernetic knees on young andrew, because that is straight up dumb-as-rocks. We got beat that time, same as we won this time.

  • larrylegend

    can’t wait to see…

  • Javy

    Another Celtic barking again…..Wow these clowns don’t stop, wait he forgot to say it in front of national tv, like Pierce likes to do!!!
    They should discuss how to beat any starting 5 in a Laker uniform next time they are sat down by their nurse to play bingo!

  • Twitter.com/Tariq8442

    I wish the Celtic fans would stop blaming Perkins being hurt for their loss they were up 3-2, they were 13 in game 7, Rasheed Wallace was more productive in game 7 than Perk was all series and Bynum was hurt too. Just take the L and get ready for Miami opening night.

  • Conduit

    let he forget ..the Celtics have never beaten the Laker starting five!!! the won the 2008 championship when Andrew Bynum was injured!! Pau had to hold down the center postion …Doc is such lame

  • Shem

    Bynum didn’t play in 08 so the Celtics never beat the Lakers starting five either. Perkins isn’t even that good. He’s an average center in the L and wouldn’t have made much of a difference if he was there. He played 6 games for them, Bynum played none. Honestly, the Celtics had the Lakers. They were winning by like 12 in the 3rd and Sheed was on his game. You can’t have the oldest team in the L and not expect to have injuries, they have the oldest team and got lucky it wasn’t one of their vets that got injured. Shut up Celtics, being a raps fan I loved watching them burn in the 4th.

  • JC

    DOC Rivers is on crack!!! Celts have never beaten Lakers’ Starting 5 either with Bynum.

    Celts will not win another championship for a while.

    Lakers will 3peat!!!

  • EJ

    08 Bynum was out the whole series, and this year he didn’t play much the whole series, Perk just missed one game. Oh and Kobe wasn’t 100% either.

  • flash

    yes they did. in games 1,3 and 6

  • Bruno

    and in case this year they don’t have perk again, you have shaq and you’ll be sayin’ same thing that this wasnt your starting five hahaha

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    There are a lot of Lakers fans on SLAM. Y’al are all over the place.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    So the starting five of the celtics has beaten the starting five of Fisher, Kobe, Odom , Pau and Ariza? What does that have to do with the starting five of Fisher, Kobe , Artest, Pau and Bynum? Just curious if Doc knows the difference.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    Lakers were missing Bynum AND Ariza in ’08. Not a Lakers fan or anything. Just sayin…

  • ClydeSays

    I’m a fan of Doc & the C’s, but the coach needs a new line. How about “We added some rebounding in the offseason which is what we lacked in the Finals…”?

  • unrel

    how about worry about game 1.. of the 2010-2011 season.. before you start worrying about game 7 of the nba finals.. also.. last i checked.. it’s not about who’s starting 5 beats whos.. because this year.. the lakers beat the celtics.. in one quote.. he just threw sheed and big baby under the bus..

  • JTaylor21

    Doc is right. Also the Lakers still haven’t beaten the Celtics without the REFS.

  • http://Slamonline.com Negativekreep

    Doc is a great coach, a master motivator, one of the best there is. And he’s not wrong about what he said, he’s just painting one side of the picture. The one that suites his team best.

  • kobe4ever8

    Doc should not worry about the past. He’d be lucky to get past Miami this year

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    If Ray Allen would have saved about 3 or 4 of the threes he made in game two for later then the Celtics may have actually won…….

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    STFU…you lost so deal with it. Here comes the three peat

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/Uncle05Sam Earl

    Just shut up Doc. The Lakers beat you. Just shut up.

  • Krisjanis

    As one great man stated it earlier – LOSER.

  • MusketeerX

    He’s quite right, though. Lakers won game 7 only because of rebounding.

    With Bynum it is expected for him to be injured. He always is. It was a fluke that Perkins went out in game 6. If Perkins is in game 7, Lakers have their butts handed to them.

    Now, with Barnes and Steve Blake, that team became 10 times deeper. Boston is going to have trouble dealing with that bench, should the be able to get past Orlando again (and Miami, if they are as good as the could be).

  • Hurricane

    The Lakers starting 5 in 08 was Fisher, Kobe, Radmanovic, Odom & Gasol, BYNUM & ARIZA WERE OUT
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    In 2010 our starting 5 was: Fisher, Kobe(At about 80%), Artest, Gasol & Bynum(At about 50%)
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    THE CELTICS ARE LOSERS
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    DOC RIVERS IS A LOSER
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    CELTICS FANS ARE LOSERS
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    EVERYBODY ON THE EAST COAST IS A LOSER
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    THE LAKERS ARE 3-PEATING

  • mAMba

    Doc, it doesnt matter if the Lakers starting 5 beat Bostons starting 5. Its a TEAM game and there are more than 5 players on a team. The better team won. End of story.

  • jace

    seriously doc.. this is getting sad.

    i dont like the lakers or the celtics but this is pretty pathetic.

    celtics never beat the lakers starting five in a series either. bynum was hurt the first time they played. so just leave it alone u idiot.

  • Overtime

    Absolutely cosign negativekreep.

  • unrel

    if the celtics had perkins.. if lakers had bynum.. if the celtics and red.. lakers had chick hearn.. celtics had the bird.. lakers had magic.. celtics had white fans.. lakers had celebs.. i can do this all day.. lakers lost in 08.. and just won back to back.. doc.. encourage the team to win tomorrow.. instead of giving your squad an excuse to why they lost yesterday..

  • B.C.

    Doc get over it realize it you guys lost, point, blank, period!

  • Sean B

    @ MusketeerX: do you actually think before you type? “If Perkins is in game 7, Lakers have their butts handed to them”…that statement has no foundation.
    Perkins through the first five games of the finals averaged 7 ppg and 6.8 rpg. In game 7 Rasheed had 11 points and 8 rebounds. Do you really think Perkins would have done any better than that?
    The fact of the matter is, the Lakers won and the Celtics should stop copping out behind excuses they would have berated the Lakers had they made them in 2008 (Bynum/Ariza).

  • Robb

    2008 they won because Bynum and Ariza didn’t play, 2010 they lost with Kobe hurt and Bynum playing at 50%. Without injuries and the new additions the Celtics have no chance. Tell them not to forget that Doc.

  • MVPballer

    It’s not about stats with Perkins, and if you think it is, you should just stop posting here. Perkins doesn’t put up big numbers, but his presence in the paint and his low post d is off the charts. Outside of D12 I’d say he’s the best post defender in the L.
    You can’t just look at the stats.

  • MVPballer

    Not saying they would’ve won it with Perk healthy though.

  • http://slamonline.com J Dizzle

    No one can truthfully and knowingly say they woulda won game 7 with Perkins. Coulda woulda shoulda, DON’T make assumptions. It’s funny how that’s been a big excuse for losing the finals. I thought the Celtics had that whole “teamwork” thing going and that one guy didn’t make or break the whole team. I guess that doesn’t count when they lose. What is really funny to me is all the excuses the Celtics and their fans make to justify their loss. When the Lakers lost in the finals, did they make excuses? No, they took the loss as a lesson and kept their heads up, winning the next 2 championships. That’s what makes them true champions. Celtics won’t even be in the finals again in the next 3 years, book it. I bet their next excuse will be, “Well if we hadn’t signed Shaq….”

  • Feez22

    Truthfully, if perkins were playing the lakers would have lost the game. i think everyone should know that by now. HOWEVER, if bynum and ariza were 100 percent going into the 1st bout in 08 who knows… maybe lakers force a game 7 on their homefloor and don’t give up a 24 pt lead due to having 2 healthy big men manning the paint. Hell maybe the cavs should have traded jj hickson for stoudamire instead of having jamison get owned by old man garnett in the playoffs… what im trying to say is that “What Ifs” don’t matter because at the end of the day they are not reality. What happened happened. What ifs may be probable at the time but at the end of the day we know what happened. we aren’t predicting the future, we are trying to change the past. can’t do that as it already happened and is DONE WITH. I caught my self with the “what if” problem talking about the lakers kings game 6 02 WCF. i then stopped bc its done with and hopefully in the future nothing like that happens again. thats my take on it.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Doc is a sore LOSER like his team full of OLD DOGS. Lakers lost in 2008 when Bynum and Ariza was out. Did the Lakers make excuses. NOOOO, Lakers came back and won back 2 back titles. I honestly feel that if the Lakers had a healthy Ariza and Bynum at 75% they win. But it doesn’t matter now. Lakers WILL 3 peat then Doc, can retire and watch his kids play sports. Doc ego has gotten inflated with that ONE RING. BOOK IT!!!

  • Tyler

    As far as im concerned he’s right in a sense cuz with a healthy Perk they would have competed on the boards but u can make the same case for the Lakers in 2008. In the end these are two great teams and I see another rematch next season with it going to 7 hopefully Lakers win again.

  • Tyler

    Oh yeah and for people saying the Lakers didn’t make excuses after their loss in 2008 I live in L.A and everyone was saying how if they had Bynum and Ariza blah blah blah so both teams should shut the hell up and play basketball. BOOK THAT!!!

  • http://slamonline.com J Dizzle

    Of course the majority of people who live there said that Tyler. I’m talking real bball fans and talking heads.

  • http://slamonline.com J Dizzle

    Of course the casual hometown fans will claim that Tyler. But on most discussions you heard a lot more talk about Perk than there was about Bynum and definitely more than Ariza.

  • roman

    He’s still talkin this ish… Come on doc, its been 3 months, get ready for Shaq and the rest of the expendables.

  • Sean B

    Thanks mvpballer, i guess ill take your advice and not post her anymore. Actually, you can’t have it both ways. I never said Perkins wasn’t a valuable role player, nor did I argue against his defensive merits.
    And frankly, you actually make my point more clear: Perkins is helpful with defense and rebounding. Well, in game 7, Rasheed did an excellent job on the LA bigs (holding them under 40% fg) and also added 8 rbs, which is par for the course with Perkins. Basically, Wallace provided exactly what Perkins would have provided.
    Perhaps “you should just stop posting here”

  • http://slamonline.com J Dizzle

    and with Wallace struggling the rest of the series he pretty much did take Perks place that game. Good point Sean.

  • Sean B

    Thank you J Dizzle!

  • Tyler

    @J Dizzle
    I agree that a lot of bball heads including yourself myself know that Perk was brought up more than Bynum and Ariza good point.

  • Tyler

    @Sean
    I agree with what your saying cuz Wallace not only played good defense on the L.A bigs he also provided scoring and stretched the defense with his 3 point shooting.

  • Anton the Conqueror

    @ Hurricane – You forgot to say that everyone wearing either a Lakers jersey or a Dodgers cap or a Raiders, or Rams (oh woops they bailed a long time ago!) is a STINKIN LOSER. WARRIORS AND GIANTS BABY!!

  • BostonBaller

    blah blah blah..blah blah blah blah, come on folks don’t get your panties in a bunch over it. If you know anything about ball you know a coach uses EVERYTHING. All coaches do it but when it’s the coach of your fav team you call it motivation not complaining. Put on your big boy under roos and take a breathe. As someone above stated, it’s no different than Jax talking about the Spurs…Doc and the team accepted the loss but there is a time for everything so hush lil’ ones and enjoy the upcoming season. PS Wallace played great but w/ the extra minutes his body could not sustain it and neither could KG, hence the missing of Perk. No excuses for the loss just prep work for the future…

  • BostonBaller

    It seems as this is just like most things…an interviewer asks “the right” questions to get a person to say what they know they will say and voila..fuel for a fake fire. lol. You have to take into account that he was answering ?’s from a well known Laker fan (Doc Walker) so I’m sure they were talking smack back in forth (in fun) Articles don’t always bring forth the perspective or context during 2nd hand journalism pieces b/c it takes away the pop factor. I was more interested in his answer about The Lakers counting championships from another city.

  • http://Www.dimemag.com B-More Mike

    I’m a laker fan, Doc better be worried about Miami & Orlando? Numerous people written the obvious about the missing players but we needed A$$ whopping the C’s put on us, made us stronger. Without that beating I would have no confidence we could beat them or the heat. But he better be worried about Miami, screw the motivational speeches these are grown men they know what’s at stake. Better be worried how to get Paul Pierce off against LBJ, he be shutting his a$$ down!!

  • total scrotal implosion

    Bostonballer, ive always thought it cheap for lakers to count minny/mikan titles

  • BostonBaller

    total s, I’m iffy on the whole thing but I know why it’s done..the NBA has to have rich history and it sounds better when you say two teams with x amount of chips are squaring off. lol. If OKC starts winning chips they’ll count Seattle’s as well. lol. Once you relocate you relocate, point blank. I’m not mad at them though, it is what it is.

  • drew

    Excuses excuses. The lakers beat the celtics without THEIR starting five also because bynum was injured. Kobe had injuries as well.

  • http://juanm.garcia@comcast.net Flashback

    I find it cheap for any team to count championships when there were only 8 teams in the NBA.

  • http://Slamonline.com Negativekreep

    T.S.I: I’ve heard many argue that point, And I could understand where you’re coming from IF they had Become a new franchise. But they Didnt, they remained the “Lakers” wich is why I think OKC is a bad comparison, since they are no longer the “Sonics”. Baylor and west both played in Minny and LA, where they continued the tradition they inherited in Minny from the Mikan era. West eventually bringing home another banner to LA. So the West Baylor era bridged the gap between the two citys and continued the championship tradition as well as the legacy of having the greatest big man in the game, the greater mikan, Wilt. A Legacy they’ve always contined to maintain. To this day, When you hear Lakers you think great players, and dynastys. So if the Los Angeles Lakers only built on what Mikan started in Minny why wouldn’t the Minny banners count?

  • http://Slamonline.com Negativekreep

    Flashback: Good point. But history is history, We don’t know where were going until we understand where we came from. When it Comes to a teams greatness isn’t it all about traditon? Look at any sport, Baseball: the Yankees, Dodgers, Redsocks. Football: Greenbay, the Steelers, Colts, Cowboys ect. Soccer: Brazil. Hockey: Detroit. Many of these teams are considerd great not just because of thier current status but because of thier tradition, wich is often carried over from one place to another. It’s history it’s tradition, not cheap.

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  • xplore

    rivers is a cry baby. bynum is mr. limp, kobe has a brokin finger, fisher is old, the bench is an x factor, artest has to put up with looking at paul pierce’s face and pau is trying to keep awake by his yawning screams after a big play.

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