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Wednesday, August 11th, 2010 at 4:20 pm  |  81 responses

Four-Team, Five-Player Trade Official

by Ryne Nelson

The early rumors were correct: Trade winds are officially blowing in the NBA this week. Here’s how the blockbuster deal breaks down:

• Darren Collison and James Posey to the Pacers
• Troy Murphy to the Nets
• Trevor Ariza to the Hornets
• Courtney Lee to the Rockets

Collison will likely start for the Pacers. Murphy will likely do little but limit the development of rookie Derrick Favors in Jersey (what have the Nets done this summer?). Ariza gives the Hornets financial flexibility and a starter at SF who Chris Paul should be happy with. Lee saves the Rockets money this season and re-opens the starting SF spot for no-stat all-star Shane Battier. Posey’s contract expires in two years.

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  • http://slamonline.com mike

    love this move for the pacers

  • Jelte

    I wonder is Ariza is still happy he left LA. Good move for the Pacers, who now will finally have a strong PG.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Not sure Houston gets any better with this deal. Kevin Martin’s going to become the next big contract they’ll give away for cheap.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    pacers finally get a good point guard.. but man i wish NO could have held on to him the sky is the limit for that kid.. pacers might just make the playoffs this year.. been a long time since i could actually respect a move larry bird made.. but as far as the other teams this is a very un-intelligent move.. NO, houston, and nj will all regret their decisions

  • bnets

    Lets Go Nets!!!

  • http://aol.com Run’N'Gun219

    I GUESS THE ALL WHITE TEAM WASNT WORKING FOR BIRD SO I GUESS HE HAD TO GET SOME “BROTHERS IN THERE” AND DONT SAY “THEY HAD DANNY GRANGER” CUZ I LIVE IN INDY AND DANNY ANT NO BROTHER IF U GET WHAT IM SAYING

  • http://www.EuroleagueAdventures.com Nick Gibson

    This is the first time I’ve questioned Daryl Morey in a long while. I guess this is what you get for bringing in Brad Miller’s $12M in 2011. Ariza’s due to make half that.

  • http://tommyisvishuz.ning.com TOMMY V

    Bad for Houston and New Orleans. Great for Indiana and New jersey. Troy Murphy gives the Nets someone who can Compliment Brook Lopez and the move created space for SKY is the limit talent Terrance Williams to start. New Jersey Will not regret their decision @ C_Cantrell. Sorry sir.

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    Does this move really make sense for anyone but the Pacers?

  • Sparker

    are you the dude who burned down reggie’s house?

  • http://slamonline.com GotHandles?

    F*ing steal and a half for the pacers. Collison could end up being the best PG out of last year’s class.

  • Overtime

    This works for no-one but Indiana, who really did get away with one. Yes, saves Houston some money, but does mean that for any games that Yao isnt in all defenders will be focused on Martin now.
    And in a little while, the Hornets will have nothing

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    Pacers and Nets win. NO is not bad, but nothing special either. Houston, is still leaving my head scratching…

  • Robb

    The Pacers win. Good job.

  • http://www.twitter.com/gerardhimself Gerard Himself

    I’m happy for the Nets, Murphy is a perfect fit.

  • Overtime

    As I said in other post, this smells alot like teams doing something for the sake of doing something

  • chris

    what do you mean what have the nets done?? they on the come up

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    Chris Paul ran off Darren Collison…lol

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Makes sense for the Nets too. Murphy hits the glass, his contract is expiring, and he rebounds. Doesn’t defend, but hey.

  • Jason

    Posey was a horrendous contract, and still is. Trading your backup PG to obtain a quality starting SF is a smart move, and if you throw in New Orleans dumping its worst current contract (at least Okafor produces something), that’s a great move. It’s only a bad deal for New Orleans if Chris Paul leaves.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    the nets have severly damaged and slowed the development of derrick favors.. for what? trop murphy? really man, really?

  • tom

    ouch for houston. with yao back, they give away too much. nice add for the other teams though.

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    Nets quietly continuing to stack….great pick up for the Hornets btw, should make CP3 very happy

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    just me or are the Pacers getting blacker and blacker….LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    ^ OK? … Start Lance at the 2, and this team could be very nice in a year or two.

  • Franko

    Wow what a move…

  • http://google c_cantrell

    uhh, bud i really doubt this will overly excite cp3

  • http://google c_cantrell

    yeah what a move lol larry bird is finally givin up on an all white team haha!

  • http://www.twitter.com/gerardhimself Gerard Himself

    @c_cantrell: the reason the Nets made this deal is because they wanted a power forward who’s capable of starting, so they can gradually bring Derrick Favors along. Keep in mind that Favors is the youngest player in the League, and they don’t want to put too much pressure on him right from the start. They hope he’ll eventually start at some point in the season, and if that’s the case, they’ll try to trade Murphy (maybe along with Quinten Ross) since his contract expires after this season. So it’s a win-win for the Nets: if Favors takes a bit longer to develop than the team expects from him, they have a power forward in Murphy who’s capable of putting up double-doubles at a nightly basis and can shoot the 3. If Favors is ready to start, Murphy’s contract will be very interesting for future trade partners. If this doesn’t convince you that it’s the right move, I don’t know what else I can say.

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    Indi and NO are def better from this trade, not sure how it will play out in Hou or NJ though.

  • Drew

    So what do the Hornets do now if CP3 tries to force a trade?

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    Not to be a hater but…. I believe Collision may be getting hyped up a little bit too much (Kinda like how Ramon Sessions was getting hyped when he was with the Bucks)

  • total scrotal implosion

    Nupe has now officially been assigned to the short bus, cantrel too. Great move for indy and nj. Good for houston too, battier plays more and they save money. No? Haha chris is leaving!

  • kudos

    Collison is a beast when given a chance. i have no doubt that Chris Paul had something to do with it, i guess he’s scared of some competition?

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    so… Chris Paul isn’t going to NY?

  • kudos

    ps. Paul is great on offense no doubt, but his defense SUCKS…

  • hoodsnake

    I think this was just living up to CP3s demands of making the team better and although the Pacers got away with daylight robbery it kinda takes away all the leverage they had for next season’s free agent crop

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    Chris Paul’s defense sucks but he’s lead the league in steals twice…yeah

  • Cool Dude

    So Ariza is the solution and instantly puts Hornets over the top so that CP3 will stay?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/Uncle05Sam Earl

    Ariza, the L.A. Prodigal Son. :(

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    New Orleans did this to create room to re-sign Sean Marks.

  • Shem

    Pacers win big on this deal. Not sure what Houston was thinking considering they basically traded Ariza for Lee. It can be arguable on the Rockets end if they didn’t have Kevin Martin already being there. This is also a great move for the Nets. Terrence Williams now starts, and Yi gets to sit his ass down on the bench. Now the Nets need to trade Harris for a sf!

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    @c_cantrell didn’t say it would overexcite him, but getting done with Darren Collison and adding a guy like Trevor Ariza and the offensive and defensive versatility he brings is a great addition for any team. And a guy like Chris Paul who has the mindset that he can make any player better would be very encouraged by the season he had in Houston

  • http://www.stonesthrow.com Michael NZ

    Ariza shot a robust 39% last season.

  • BK Chris

    NO is gonna regret this move when CP3 bolts and they have no pg! Y get rid of collison? Are they sure CP3″s knees can hold up for a full season? Atleast hey got rid of james posey!

  • cmc

    dookey turd

  • Brahsef

    What a boring trade.

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    @BKChris Collison will be a star in this league no doubt, I’m guessing this is mostly to appease Chris Paul…The Trevor Ariza move is a step in the right direction….but your right, I think ever since Byron Scott was fired he’s been playing half-hearted…with the right pieces Monty can steer him back towards the organization

  • http://www.twitter.com/gerardhimself Gerard Himself

    Shem: Yi has been traded to the Bucks in June. And although I hope that Terrence Williams starts, don’t be surprised if it’s Morrow who will actually start.

  • http://www.twitter.com/gerardhimself Gerard Himself

    Whoops, Yi was not traded to the Bucks. He was traded to the Wizards (I was thinking about CDR for a moment)

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    So, I’m not sure about this for Houston.
    Ariza didn’t really fit offensively last season and was asked to carry too much offensive burden but..
    Means Aaron will still start, with Kevin Martin and Shane Battier getting more minutes at the 2/3 spots.
    Chase will back them both up, and Scola and Yao will play 4/5 with Hill as the back-up.
    I don’t think we got better, but I don’t think we got “much” worse.

  • RV

    to sum this up for houston…saves them a ton of money obviously…on the court, ariza’s value and production would have dropped dramatically with Martin being here a whole season, budinger turning out better than expected and improving consistently, including this summer. Brooks also improved some within the season. Yao will be back. Miller deserves touches, and so will Hill. Basically it’ll turn Ariza into a 20-25 min player who’s going to score no more than 12 pts a game, and still isn’t a good shooter, all at 6 mill for a couple more years. His defense was key, but won’t be missed as much with their increase depth at the 4/5 that keeps more perimeter players from driving. Basically, signing ariza turned out to be a mistake for houston downt he road, but not because it was a bad move, but because they made great moves later that were not expected or not a done deal (martin/hill for tmac, drafting PP, signing miller, keeping scola/lowry). If they get less talent for Tmac or end up trading multiple players for bosh, then Ariza still fits well, but that didnt happen.

  • RV

    Hursty, Lee will back up martin and bud will back up battier…i think lee has been forgotten some because he was on suhc a bad team, but he’s a nice player. Doesnt foul a lot or turn the ball over a lot, and neither does Battier. Also, houston wants to get into the bonus a ton next year and get free points at the line with Brooks,Lowry, Martin, and yao being great at drawing fouls. Then you have these guys shooting 80% Ft or better : Brooks, Lee, Martin, Yao, lowry and miller, with battier/scola/budinger being just under 80%. that’s pretty much your whole rotation right there. Only the back up Pf spot has weak FT shooting

  • COGGIE13

    @Michal NZ: Sean Marks.. im feeling that.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Ariza should have stayed in LA, now he might become a good player who gets traded alot or a good player like Jimmy Jackson who never find a team to play for a while. I see Ariza being traded again, once New Orleans realize he is drastically overpaid. Also Pacers won with this trade, to Darren Collison is a steal for Troy (I haven done anything in the league) Murphy. Courntey Lee is a better player than this, Magic should have kept him before sending him to Netville, but I feel the Rockets are looking to just have a back up to Kevin Martin, that costs less money. Nets think they got a good player. If I was Nets I would have tried to get Collison instead of Murphy, but we all know the Pacers have been looking for a point guard to run that team for a while.

  • Barry

    New Orleans got rid of a bad contract and got a damn good SF… Ariza does all the little things. And why would CP3 run off Collison? He taught the kid, it’s why Collison was so good, I think. Deron Williams is the best pg now becauce Chris missed so much of last year, and the playoffs. He’ll be back on track this year, and the Hornets might actually get somewhere. The West is stacked tho, I think maybe another lottery year. Would love to see them win it, and get Harrison Barnes. I doubt Chris would leave then.

  • Barry

    Also, Pacers look very nice now, Stephenson looked like the best steal ever, potential All-Rookie team. Granger is proven, Collison can only get better with more minutes again. Potential 8th seed?

  • http://www.twitter.com/gerardhimself Gerard Himself

    also: it’s not that bad of a deal for Houston. At the small forward position they still have Battier and the Rockets have a lot of faith in Budinger. They’ll be fine.

  • Saku 39

    @Royal I agree. Collison should have a long, productive career, but I don’t know if he’ll ever be an all star. Also, PGs are more expendable than most realize. Nash, Nelson, Rondo, Parker (even Collison) were all mid-first round picks. I’m just saying teams can pick up quality PGs without spending too much.

  • JTaylor21

    IF nawlins really thinks that this will be the answer to keeping CP3, they must have been eating the shrimp from the gulf of mexico. I love the N.O. but CP should leave whenever the right team comes calling.

  • http://twitter.com/darrellma dma

    The only bright side for Houston is they also get a trade exception since Lee makes a million and change and Ariza making 6+ mil. So if Yao goes down or they can’t score, they could grab someone willing to dump a midrange contract.

  • http://www.twitter.com/gerardhimself Gerard Himself

    What’s interesting to me is that so many people seem to be complaining about Ariza coming to the Hornets, how that will “keep” CP3… management is trying to get him some help, but you can’t go from ‘mediocre’ to ‘great’ team in one day (yeah yeah, Miami blablabla). They never had a chance of getting the big FA’s anyway, so I’m wondering if some of you think that the Hornets should’ve done nothing, let has-been (sorry Peja) Stojakoic start? Resign Julian Wright? That doesn’t make any sense. A year ago people loved Ariza for what he done during his time with the Lakers. Now he had a down year with Houston, so knows, he might return to form in NO. A starting line-up consisting of Paul, Thornton, Ariza, West and Okafor looks pretty decent to me (the problem is: they don’t have a bench).

  • k

    I don’t think it’s terrible for Jersey. I’m not a Murphy fan, but for half his current salary he’s not a bad value, if they can sign him to that, and if not, they let him walk and have $25MM to go after Tony Parker or trade like a protected first-rounder for Arenas or something.

    Still, better deal for Indiana, though they can’t go into the season with just Hansbrough, McRoberts and Foster at PF (and no Magnum Rolle if Ford is still there and there’s no roster spot for him) and Dunleavy, Jones, Rush, George, and Stephenson AND Granger on the wings.

  • Jacob (from Australia)

    Favors will be fine. Let him grow this season so next year he can beast alongside Melo ;)
    But at the moment, Indiana wins big. They were gonna settle for DJ Augustin or T.J Ford a couple of months ago, now they get this sensation for cheap. Norleans is screwed either way, CP3 ain’t staying. And I don’t understand anything Houston has done since they drafted Yao Ming.

  • hoopla604

    was thinking of other major moves that might help teams and tested this out in the trade machine…

    (Four way Trade: DET, IND, GSW & CLE)
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29rhtt9

    Here is why it makes sense for the three teams:

    Cleveland – they are going no where fast and need to start re-building as soon as possible. There three biggest contracts that extend beyond this year are Jamison, Mo and Varejao. You get rid of all of them in this deal, get Ellis as a star that will put people in seats for the next few years to build around along with sessions in the back court and a ton of cap space to work with at the end of the year.

    Detroit – seems to make the least sense initially, but let me explain. They need to move beyond the old team (Tay and Rip are the hold outs). They also need to have Austin Day develop give Gordon more playing time and hope that Munroe is their PF of the future. With that said what they really need is a real point and a solid center. This gives them both (Biedrins and Mo) along with a potential back up starter at SF if George develops faster than Day.

    Indy – basically the team continues making a splash this summer. They have Collision as a solid point, they have SF secured with Granger. Now they get a “Reggie-like” SG in Rip Hamilton who is a solid scoring options and provides veteran playoff experience. They also fill the whole at PF with Jamison which is much better than the options they have right now. The weakness here is that they might need more of a banger at the PF but they will at least have Varejao coming off the bench. This might put indy in even better position for the future. They would have nice mix of young talent and vets with playoff experience giving them a chance to actually do some damage in the playoffs.

    Golden State – Biedrins wants out and they want to move Ellis. The two contracts tie up 20 mil in cap space. They get two contracts that expire next year (also making them players in free agency in the next few years – with Curry as the corner stone). They get a plug at the centre position which they need with Biedrins gone but avoid getting a long term contract of all the over paid centers out there. And they get to see how Tay fits in. A vet on the roster that is quite young that also provides defence, runs the floor and adds some size to the perimeter. They don’t get a lot back here so may be this might need to be sweetened up a but for Golden State with a draft pick or two.

  • Toni Kukoc

    aside from obv Heat, the Bull AND Nets have improved the most this summer!

  • Shem

    When did Yi become a Wizard? Is he so bad that they don’t even report his trades anymore? Honestly this is a great deal for the Pacers. Darren Collison, Brandon Rush, Danny Granger, Tyler Hansbrough and Roy Hibbert. TJ Ford, Posey and Dahntay off the bench. This may just be a good roster for 2K11 purposes, but I’m lovin this deal. I’ve never been a Hanbrough fan and think they can improve at the PF position but kudos to Bird.

  • deeCee

    NO is gonna feel damn foolish when Collison flourishes and CP3 bolts. Dumb! Dumb! Dumb!

  • http://www.slamonline melvin ely

    Great breakdown, RV. I also feel that with the way Houston’s lineup is structured right now, they did well in dumping Ariza whose had quite a disappointing showing for them last season. Dude just doesn’t fit. Now that they have Lee, a trade exception, Kmart for a full season (let’s not forget his injury problems; that makes the Lee signing a very smart move), and Yao hopefully coming back, rockets look like they’re poised for a successful season.

  • http://www.simplyincomenow.com Jesse Dunns Ghost

    Umm how is this blockbuster?

  • Jordan

    Pacers are the only team that benefits in this trade.

  • gregor

    I kinda feel bad for Courtney Lee. 3 teams in 3 seasons, and I would have rathered him then Vince on last year’s Orlando. He was the starting two on that Magic Finals team, he does deserve better then being bounced around the league like this. It really limits his potential

  • jerry25

    You obviously don’t know anything about the Nets.
    The addition of Troy Murphy makes will propel the Nets from a 12 win season last year to at least 40 wins this year. Who cares if 19 year old Favors only gets 20 minutes of PT, as long as Nets make the playoffs with one of the biggest turnarounds in NBA history.

    You media people think its fashionable to knock the Nets. Making the playoffs is the goal this year. They will be in a great position to nab a top FA like Melo next summer and when the time is right, Favors will be an AllStar.

    Almost as important was that the trade freed up space so that Morrow could start alongside Harris and TWill (this year’s dunk champion) can lead the 2nd unit.

  • JoeMaMa

    Every team benefits, really. The Pacers get a great young PG. Courtney Lee, a starting SG on the Magic team that went finals (before being sentenced to hell) will bolster the backcourt. Trevor Ariza will run the lanes and reap HUGE benefits playing alongside CP3 (never underestimate the value of a great PG. Ask anyone who played with Kidd, Magic, Nash) And Murphy can play the 4 and 5, so he’s really not going to take away too many minutes from Favors, who we all agree could use a year or two of seasoning. And like previously stated, he’s trade bait, so if Favors comes along fast, the Nets can find someone willing to take Murphy’s contract.
    Sincerely, the world’s biggest optimist.

  • Ali

    How quickly we forget how Collison held his own when Paul went down…Ariza fits good in certain systems, talented guy but will be bounced around the league his entire career. Troy Murph is only other guy worth mentioning here. Blah..Blah..Blah….

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Hmm Collison gets to hold the ball as the first lead guard without anyone looking over his shoulder – excellent. WE have our candidate for most improved player I think and if this Pacers team is ANYWHERE near .500 come allstar weekend look for a coaches vote to get him into the game. :)

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  • http://google c_cantrell

    collison is already a lock for most improved player indeed

  • Will Lee

    so Nets traded Vince Carter for Troy Murphy, amazing. I can’t believe Pacers were actually able to move either Murphy, Dunleavy or Hansborough. Now they got the first one done

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