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Wednesday, September 29th, 2010 at 9:30 am  |  170 responses

LeBron James Doubts He Can Average Triple-Double

LBJ does his best to downplay any expectations about him having an Oscar Robertson-type of season for the Miami Heat. The Herald reports: “When Pat Riley met with LeBron James to pitch him on joining the Heat, Riley said James ‘sort of lit up’ and said, ‘That would be great if I didn’t have to score,’ that he could be maybe the first since Oscar Robertson to be a ‘triple-double guy.’ Although Heat swingman Mike Miller said it’s ‘doable’ and ESPN’s Jalen Rose said ‘he could pull it off if he chose,’ James is skeptical about averaging a triple-double. ‘Is it realistic? It’s so tough in this day and age,’ James said this week. ‘I look up to Big O so much to be able to do that. Unbelievable feat. I don’t believe it will ever be matched. It’s very intriguing. You would love to make history, but it’s not a goal of mine. My goal is to be a triple threat, not to average a triple-double. I know I can do that.’ James averaged 29.7 points, 7.3 rebounds and a career-high 8.6 assists last season; his career averages are 27.8, 7.1 and 7.0. Robertson averaged 30.8 points, 12.5 rebounds and 11.4 assists in 1961-62.”

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  • Smack

    He’s trying to downplay this. Of course he wants to avg a triple double. Who wouldn’t?

  • larrylegend

    i don’t, i think he could do it, esp. now that he hasn’t to play point-forward all the time. or maybe they should hire old don.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Since alot of games will be blow outs and the big three may not even play some fourth quarter of games, I don’t see it plus Bron has never played with a good rebounder like Bosh and Wade is also a good rebounder for a guard so I doubt it happens.

  • The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Well, I guess that settles it then. If he doesn’t think he can do it then why should I (which I did), or anyone else think differently? This dude, man…SMH.

  • Anthony

    Trying to average a triple-double for the upcoming season should be the least of his concern. You gotta fit within the new system, learn how you teammates play, ect.. For him, it’s really a new start and i think he’s smart enough to not be caught up in some crazy expectations.

  • JTaylor21

    Dude may be right but if anyone can come close in today’s game it’s him. I think Magic was the closet in ’81 when he put up 19/9.6/9.5 but that was in a much faster-paced league than today where teams FOOLISHLY walk the ball up the court. If the heat speed up the tempo like they should, 25/9/9 are realistic numbers Bron could easily put up. I prefer triples doubles than scoring 40 any day.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    LOL I was gonna post but Slam told me I was posting too quickly and to slow my ass down….

  • JMac

    i dont think he should. it might keep him away from his focus of winning ball games. he shouldn’t care about that. make like Gollum LBJ, and go for the ring.

  • JoeMaMa

    He can do it…he’ll have the ball in his hands enough and will get enough D boards to make it a definite possibility. I like that he respects Oscar too…because, you know, Oscar AVERAGED a triple double over FIVE SEASONS.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    A double-double then? Nah, I want titles. Is it November yet?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    BTW…This is guy is so full of himself. He said people boo him and dislike him because they FEAR him on a Sportscenter interview yesterday.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Anthony: Playing in a new system is irrelevant. You’re going to score points, you’re going to get rebounds, and if you’re as good a passer as he is playing with DWade, Chrish Bosh, and Mike Miller, then you’re going to get assists. That’s just basketball. No coach in their right mind would hold a guy like LeBron James back from doing the very 3 things that he does well. The only person who can hold Bron back is Bron. And that’s what this sounds like. He doesn’t want the pressure or even seemingly, the challenge of trying to do it when he’s really the only person in the NBA who legitimately can.

  • http://slamonline.com Yknot

    He put it in perspective. He could average a triple double if he tried but the goal is silencing critics by winning games not setting individual records.

  • Smack

    If Bron could average a triple double he would’ve already. Face it, no-one will EVER avg a triple double. It’s impossible in todays NBA.

  • JTaylor21

    Kap, someone needs to stop being so sensitive; he said that referencing to a question asking how it’s going to be for the Heat on the road this upcoming season. Damn, haters are so quick to rush to judgment without knowing the whole story or make they just choose to ignore it.

  • Randy_watson

    I don’t think it would be a complete shocker if he does. Honestly…he’s going to avg 10+ assits easy. Rebounding is all about if you want to do it or not really. He can get this done. He’s just downplaying it for the media. Imagine if he said “Yea I want to avg a triple-double this season”…smh this website would crash from all the traffic. SN: i’m really excited to see what he’s going to bring to the table defensively

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @JTaylor21: You said, “Damn, haters are so quick to rush to judgment without knowing the whole story…or they just choose to ignore it.” So,you mean like how people did with Derrick Rose yesterday? And I’m not saying you did — because you didn’t — but it happened. People went HARD at Derrick for saying why couldn’t he be this or that, however unrealistic. But this dude has a REAL chance to actually do this and yet he backs off from it and now it’s OK with folks? That’s crazy. Winning a championship isn’t going to get people off his back because of the circumstances. But doing something that hasn’t happened in almost 50 years, would. it would shut me up about him, that’s for sure.

  • Kadavour

    Can we stop throwing around Oscar’s stats like they have any relevance in today’s game? Magic would have crushed O’s averages had he played that many possesions per game. Just looking at the type of numbers dudes put up in that season would cast into perspective how misleading the nature of statistical production in that era was.

  • T-Money

    Of course he thinks he can average a triple double at some point, he’s been talking about it since his rookie year! But if he had said that right now, it would have been on the front page of ESPN and radio hosts would have called him selfish to think about his own production. You can’t talk stats after the whole organization has been talking about sacrifices throughout the summer. That’s actually taking a page out of Kobe’s book. You flat out lie to the media until it happens and then you come clean. He was adamant that it didn’t bother him that people thought he couldn’t win without Shaq.. until he won without Shaq. He said that he didn’t care who he was facing in the Finals and payback wasn’t a motivation… until he beat the Celts. Smart.

  • RobbieJay

    His game is good enough to do it…and his passing ability is good enough to easily have a double double…when Bosh is on the floor he probaly wont get alot of boards but other then that its highly possible.

  • JTaylor21

    @BCraw, you’re right about what people said about DRose but I feel that Rose can do anything he puts his mind to because quite frankly he’s that GOOD. On the bron ish, you make a good point but I think that he’s saying that just to keep expectations down but it doesn’t mean that he won’t be out there trying to achieve that feat. I know that if he said he could do it easily, the haters would crawl out the woodwork and complain about how he’s so arrogant. If he does achieve it while winning a chip it would be like a double whammy for the haters and doubters.

  • Dagger

    First of all, why should he want to shoot for statistical accomplishments? Doesn’t everyone always say athletes should want to win, period? What if Kobe came out and said he wanted to hit 38 PPG this season to beat Jordan’s all-time best scoring season? Second, what Lebron didn’t say was that Oscar played in a much, much more high-paced league. If you plug Lebron’s numbers from last year into the pace Oscar played at he would have averaged a triple double. Pace – and the kind of competition, by the way – played as big a part in Oscar’s remarkable season than anything else. Finally, the disgust about Lebron saying people boo him because they fear him is just ridiculous. Again, isn’t that how we want athletes to think? The double standards swirling around this guy are remarkable.

  • T-Money

    You’re dead wrong, Bryan. LeBron averaging a triple double would be quite a feat, it would make headlines and people would follow his boxscores religiously if he has a real shot. It wouln’t cement his legacy and it would not make him a winner. Rings are the only thing that matter to him and the only reason he went to Miami. No matter what people say right now, you can’t tell nothing to a champion. Kobe has A LOT of haters but the discussion always ends when you start counting his rings.

  • JoeMaMa

    @Bryan Crawford: man…I love your passion as a Bulls fan. You ride for your team….thumbs up to you, guy. Oh, and @Kadavour: who else averaged triple doubles during Oscar’s time? If everyone was getting them, you’d have a point. But no one else did, and your line about Magic is purely theorhetical, and thus, full of holes. Remember, the evolution of the game can’t be changed. Magic learned from Oscar, Earl the Pearl, The Hawk, etc. RESPECT OSCAR’S INSANE LINES.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @JTaylor21: You’re absolutely right. I’m personally of the opinion that it’s not as “calculated” of a quote as some might think. But I guess when it all shakes out, we’ll see.

  • T-Money

    As others have pointed out, there’s also something to be said about pace. Teams aveaged 125 possessions in the early 60s, compared to 95 now.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @T-Money: When it comes to fans of the game and not just fas of LeBron James, NOBODY is going to respect any rings that he wins. Not as much as they would’ve say had he won in Cleveland. If you stack the deck like Miami has, and they win, they were supposed to. It’s that simple. There is no honor in that…at least not in my eyes.

  • JTaylor21

    PEOPLE PEOPLE you can not downplay the Big O’s accomplishment just because he played in a lesser athletic era. What did you want him to do? Play down to his opposition just to please you and make his numbers look realistic. A man can NOT choose when he’s born but he can achieve greatness no matter what. Those numbers are mind-boggling regardless of era, how many players that play in lesser leagues than the NBA have ever avg. a triple dub, NONE. Give respect when it’s due.

  • Nashty

    28,7,7 career avg…….that’s insane.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bryan, you are a walking, typing contradiction today.

  • JTaylor21

    @BCrawford, that shocks me that you believe that there’s no honor in winning with the Heat. Do people downplay all the rings that Magic and Bird won with all those supremely talented players NO, so why should people treat what the Heat MIGHT accomplish any different. RINGS are RINGS at the end of the day and when aliens take over this world in a 1,000yrs, all they will known from the history books is that the Heat won rings not how they did or whether it was fair or not.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bryan’s 10:40a comment is priceless. Kind of like how Laker haters think their two titles with “The Gift” Pau Gasol are bullsh*t and tainted too. See how that works, kid?

  • Kadavour

    sorry Joe, i gotta disagree with you. Dagger already mentioned pace, and it’s pretty straight forward, multiply the stats by possessions and it paints a vivid picture. Other notable accomplishments era include a guy average 50pts for a season, 2 ppl average 20rebs and i’m too lazy to fact check assist numbers. Point is, if you add say 25 possessions today’s game (that’s about a quarter’s worth), and cut the league to 8 teams, we’d see similar tom-foolery.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Eboy: How so?

  • Kadavour

    Other notable accomplishments *in that* era
    a guy averaged
    2 ppl averaged etc.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, I hear more people say how the titles with Shaq are more tainted than than the ones with Pau. But if you really want to get “technical” about it, name me one title Kobe won playing with 2 of the top 10 players in all of basketball on his team? I’ll wait…

  • Kadavour

    @Jtaylor: all im saying is ppl often apply the wrong lens when they analyze O’s numbers. F*ck competition, Big O, Wilt, Bill, Clutch et al accomplished what their immense talents could afford, however, those accomplishments will always be misconstrued if viewed through the same lens we apply to today’s game which has undergone great evolution since then. Without considering context, a 108 player league @ 125 possessions a game will yield stats that if compared to today’s game seem mind-boggling. When you apply some simple math to those numbers and subject nostalgic mysticism, it all makes sense.

  • Kadavour

    and subtract nostalgic mysticism** wtf is it with me and these typo’s today??

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    So……here’s what I surmise…..a 2nd tier star like D-Rose can come out and make bold predictions and he’s loved for it, although his bold predictions may not come true. A top tier guy like Lebron can say that he doesn’t THINK he can do what only ONE OTHER guy in the history of the league can do, so he’s basically failing himself? Wow. Just…wow.

  • T-Money

    Damn, post disappeared. So that’s the cutoff? 2 top 10 guys is legit but not 3? Those Boston and LA teams of the 80s had HOFers coming off the bench… I’m baffled that people still hold this romantic idea that teams MUST be built “organically” through draft picks and trades. / Also, it’s histerical that some people are already downplaying any title the Heat could win and AT THE SAME insisting that the Lakers are the more talented team and likely favorite.

  • JTaylor21

    @BCraw, it doesn’t matter whether or not KB has played with 2 TOP-10 players because the combined talent on the lakers alone is as close to an all-star team you can get. Bynum and LO together put up what a top-10 player would, so it’s a moot point. Also why do people say that the Lakers are the better team even though the Heat have 3 top-10 players like you said. It’s simple Kobe has only won chips on some of the most talented teams of last 20 years.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    B, you’re saying Bosh is a top 10 guy in the league? That’s probably up for debate.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And I’d say that even at the end of The Mailman’s career….he was a fringe top 10-15 player (like Bosh is now) at that time…if not at the least, a top 5 PF still. That’s not up for debate…so don’t try to run that game on me just because the Laker’s took the loss that year. Oh…..wait…..one of the large reasons the couldn’t beat the Pistons? Karl missed most of the Finals. Funny how sh*t like that happens when you’re playing without a HOF’er.

  • JTaylor21

    @Kadavour, of course I accounted the number of possessions the Big O had more than players today which is why I pointed it out in my first post. You still can NOT take anything away from them just based on that but you can give more props to players like Bron if they can come close to achieve those numbers. I’ll even go as far as to say that the 80s players’ numbers were skewered a little bit due to the pace and speed of the game back then as compared to now.

  • $am

    No way in hell Bosh is a top 10 player in this league. He’s a borderline all-star, that’s it.

  • JoeMaMa

    @Kadavour: you can only compare a player to the other players of his era. They play the same rules, have evolved as players together, the refs call the game a certain way, even social factors…the list goes on. You can make assumptions on “what if” and “maybe”, but that’s just conjecture. I slap my own face when I see how dominating Wilt, Bill, MJ, Magic, Oscar, and a few others have been…not because of stats alone, but because they destroyed their peers.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Ok Eboy, I’ll concede that. But Bosh is definitely on the “fringe” of being Top 10 — maybe 11 or 12. And T-Money, yes, those Boston and LA teams did have HOF’ers coming off the bench in the 80′s which is exactly why LA played in 8 Finals and Boston played in 5. Built “organically” through the draft and trades.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    If LeBron said he thinks or will try to average a triple-double, people would given him ish for aspiring to an individual accomplishment. I think he can do it and will silently attempt it.

  • T-Money

    E: Aren’t you getting the feeling that Bron is slowly taking over already? He was at the center for their last interview and, apparently, he was the most vocal on the court at yesterday’s practice, directing traffic. I still think D-Wade will be the last one to be announced during the intros (at least for this year) but the on-court leader will be Bron. Thoughts?

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    @T-Money, I’ve noticed and felt that too but with that kind of progress on the 1st week of camp, can you really say that he’s “slowly” doing it?

  • JTaylor21

    ^^I don’t know bout y’all but I’ll be willing to pay just to watch them practice. Just imagine the kind of EPIC battles bron and wade are going to have all season long.

  • T-Money

    I’ve read somewhere that their practice will be televised this Friday on NBA TV (Raptors TV in Canada) like they did for NYK and WAS.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    If Bron is “taking over” in Miami, I think that’s disaster waiting to happen and one of the main reasons why I don’t think this team will achieve the kind of success everyone is predicting or expects. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if stories of in-fighting start floating around as the season progresses. I don’t expect Dwyane Wade to just be OK with having to step aside for LeBron James.

  • ManofGod131

    The hardest part would be the rebounds. I think he will average 23 points a game. Wade will average upwards of 25. Bosh around 20. Rebounds will mostly go to Haslem and Bosh. There has been talk about him playing point which would give them a lineup of Bron, Wade, Miller, Bosh and Haslem. The only pressure LeBron wants is to win. He doesn’t want the comparisons to Oscar or Michael or Magic or even Kobe (which I myself am tired of talking about). Honestly, this team is going to be scary and just like the 3 guys were saying yesterday on ESPN, people don’t boo because they hate your game, they boo because they know you’re a problem on the court. Just from watching them practice, I almost got goosebumps seeing he and Wade in the same practice gear. This is going to be a wonderful season. I like villains. He is more like Kobe now because people don’t really like either one of them lol. Lakers are ready when Kobe is fully back and Bynum who stupidly waited to have surgery. Vince Carter is lighter and more like the old VC from what I hear. So many good teams.

  • ManofGod131

    Wade said himself that he’s not a vocal leader and that LeBron will be heard the most…he leads by doing. I don’t put any stock in where the three sat during an interview lol. If you want to get that technical, during media day, Wade sat in the middle of them while they answered questions. This is Wade’s town. I don’t think LeBron went to Miami to take over.
    @JTaylor The Lakers are deeper than the Heat, that’s what makes them a better team. Just look at their benches. Would you rather have Eddie House, Jamaal Magloire, James Jones and Juward Howard? Or Lamar Odom, Matt Barnes, Steve Blake and an improving Shannon Brown? LeBron and Wade will be playing heavy minutes. Kobe will be able to rest a little bit during the season. And rings are rings. Circumstances don’t really matter. It doesn’t matter what kind of team you play on. So we can’t knock Kobe because he played with Shaq or Gasol/Bynum/Odom. It doesn’t lessen the achievement. If we dock Kobe, then we will have to end up docking LeBron even more when his career is over. Both of them will have to have asterisks because of who they played with. It will have to be across the board. What would MJ have been without Scottie? How many rings?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bryan has whisful thinking syndrome, which is cool from a Bulls fan perspective. I’ll tell you this and again, whiel I don’t write for anyone and am considered an old troll with nothing better to do than to rile people here, I have on good authority from within the Heat that there is a healthy respect for what Lebron is going to bring there. There isn’t petty jealousies flying about. And in some ways (and I bet a guy like Ryan Jones could add his wisdom to this if he was still around) that Lebron was playing to the cameras a bit yesterday to make things seem “overly” dramatic with his intensity game. The Heat practiced for 4 hours yesterday, 2 sessions. The media was allowed access for 15 minutes. From what I’ve heard from my guy is that in 4 on 4 full-court battles yesterday, Lebron’s 4 of him, Patrick Beverly, Joel Anthony and I can’t remember the other guy….maybe Shavlick Randolph…..were killing EVERY OTHER 4 out there. Look at those other 3 names. Killing EVERYONE. So yeah, perhaps Lebron is instilling his will but it’s only about ball for him. Nothing more.

  • T-Money

    Bryan: you should listen to their latest ESPN interview. I expect Wade to be down with the program. He said he’s glad that Bron will be realy vocal on the court because he had to take on that role the last few years in Miami even though that’s not really his style. He also talked about how he has no problem adjusting his game to fit the team’s needs and even bring the ball up some. And LeBron has already taken over the defensive end like KG did for Boston when he came over. I kinda figured this would happen because, after all, Bron is still the best player on this team but I didn’t know it would happen right away. Again, Wade will probably still be the focus of Miami’s marketing campaign OFF THE COURT.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Sorry….the 4th guy on Lebron’s squad was James Jones. So yeah……Lebron is kind of possessed right now.

  • http://onemoreandigottago.blogspot.com Zak_Knutson13

    The thing that really impresses me about Oscar’s 61-62 season is he didn’t just average a triple double. He averaged a MONSTER triple double. It wasn’t like he just squeaked by in one of the categories.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Lebron is a great vocal leader who has never had the talent he has now. Dwyane is a great leader through his actions (kind of like how Joe Dumars used to be) but only once has had enough talent to get to the top and during that time…never had to be vocal because it was a team of vets led by Shaq AND Riles led the charge. This is a match made in heaven for these two. They both finally have what they’ve both craved.

  • T-Money

    @ManogGod: Cmon now… the guys on the Heat bench you’ve mentioned are not even in the 9-man rotation. It’s Miller/Haslem/Big Z/House or Arroyo LO/Blake/Barnes/Brown or Sasha… not as lopsided as you make it to be.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, you know better. Unlike a lot of Bulls fans, the Heat don’t scare me. Never has. I think our team is certainly good enough to compete with them with what we have now. But I wonder, were you this big of a LeBron fan BEFORE he came to Miami? Not that it matters, I’m just curious.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Thank you for pointing that out, T-Money.

  • ManofGod131

    @T-Money Haslem will be the starting center and if LeBron plays point, Miller will also be in the starting lineup. So yeah, their bench may end up being the guys that I mentioned. Either way, the Lakers have three guys on their bench who could be starting on some other teams. However you slice it, the Lakers are deeper.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money, I saw that interview. I just think everyone is playing nice right now. That’s all. And as far as off the court marketing, if LeBron truly is taking over on the floor, he’ll take over off it too.

  • EJ

    Lebron probably could do it, but he himself said he’s not a stat padder, and if he tried to average a tripple doubble it would be on the expense of his team.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I enjoyed Lebrons’ game only behind Dwyane’s B…..so yeah….I was with him while everyone, including you, made him seem like he was some Jared Dudley clone when talking in terms of the best player in the game argument, especially once he left Cleveland. And while I would hope you or the Bulls wouldn’t be scared to play ANYONE, let alone the Heat, the bravado of two young guys like Noah and D-Rose are only going to carry you so far. If your hopes are falling on the broad yet limited shoulders of Booze, I fell for you and Bulls nation. I still say your boys are going to miss Captain Kirk (especially for D against Dwyane in a potential playoff matchup) more than their additions will mean to them. But I’ll say this….I worry more about them than the Magic.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Whoever said Haslem may be a starting center needs to get back to class. And unless there’s some strange turn of the screw…the Heat’s starters are going to be Anthony, Bosh, James, Wade and Chalmers.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Shaq and Kobe on the same team was a stacked effing deck.
    Kobe, Pau, Artest and Odom is a stacked effing deck.
    Hell, Garnett, Pierce, Allen and Rondo is a stacked deck, and let’s not forget Duncan and Robinson.
    Bird, Parish, Johnson and McHale?
    Magic, Kareem, and Worthy?
    Russell, Cousy, and the gang?
    Kareem and Oscar?
    Anybody who devalues Lebron’s rings because he won them in Miami is being ridiculous.
    The rings are rings. I would have preferred to see him go at wade’s neck to get them, but even if he went to Chicago he would have been on a stacked team, compared to the rest of the league.
    That just doesn’t make sense and is indicative of the ridiculous standards people use when discussing Lebron.

  • Dagger

    Crawford: the Heat shouldn’t scare you, because chances are they won’t be competing with your Bulls for anything that matters. I’d be more scared of fighting the Bucks or Hawks for the 5 seed, because there’s no way the Bulls deserve to be considered a contender for the best record in the East, let alone the championship. Not with a sub-.500 record last year, a new coach whose offensive merits remain a huge unknown, a point who can’t shoot and needs to work on his passing, and a much-heralded new big who’s a defensive liability even when he does stay healthy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Oh and B, for the 100th time, I hated the Decision. I loved the outcome and threw the MJ fist pump when he said South Beach. But the idea of it, the twerpy little Jim Grey, the bad, overgroomed beard, etc? I hated it like everyone else and almost felt bad for the Cavs and their fans until Gilbert and their fans went on like Lebron was Hitler.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Why are drafts and trades better than free agent signings?
    So, the NBA system that was stacked against players making the most money and having the most freedom is preferable to the current model?
    Really?
    We prefer the reserve clause? We think it’s cool that teams can basically pay players whatever they want to pay them, and then tell thm to go screw themselves if they don’t report to camp?
    This is the best way to build a team?
    Nah, not for me.
    Building a team is building a team. I can’t believe that people find it more palatable to have owners and GMs making personnel decisions than having players look at their peers and say “I want to play with that guy.”
    That’s a power dynamic I support, even if I would have preferred if Lebron made a different choice.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, Ronnie Brewer is a far more capable defender than Hinrich. And with the he way he stunk it up the last 2 seasons, he won’t be missed. And collectively, Rose, Noah, and Booz are as good a trio as there is in the East. And why knock on Booz? He’s just a bigger version of Bosh.. a 20/10 guy with no D. And I don’t think anybody believes in the Magic anymore.

  • ManofGod131

    Actually, SportsCenter had Haslem listed as the starting center….so I guess ESPN needs to get it together.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    He can do it; I actually can’t see him not doing at least 13pts 11 assist 12rebounds a game. Honestly speaking.

  • hammer

    Not a lbj fan by any means of the imagination,but a trip-dub isn’t that far fetched. Its doable and my guess is he will. The games gonna come pretty easy 2 him now. Won’t expend the energy he used 2 spend on scoring pts which gives him more energy 2 get them rodmans and dimes. On a sidenote…f**k the heat and what they stand 4! Ha ha!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Dagger: Actually, the Bulls have been a .500 team the last 2 years, not a sub .500 team. Come correct before you start taking shots at my squad. Secondly, I think the Bulls have a much better shot of having a better record than both the Hawks and Bucks based on how strong of a team they will be defensively. And to take shots at Thibs for offense, you act like VDN was some kind of offensive genius or something? And to take shots at DRose and Booz is just asinine. Those guys are legit, even if they have some shortcomings.

  • T-Money

    Bryan: you really believe that Chicago’s trio is as good as Boston’s and Miami’s? Like… for real?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    @ManofGod, yes they should. @ B, Ronnie Brewer is capable….of being embarrassed. The last meaningful playoff matchup he had was against Kobe and Kobe ate him. So if you think his little skinny ass can match up with Bron, you’re silly. If you think he can deal with Dwyane over a seven game series that’s silly. Kirk matched up with Dwyane better than ANYONE in the league. That’s not a reach. Dude frustrated him EVERY game they played. Dwyane himself has said the same.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    Ronnie Brewer is a far more capable defneder than Hinrich…? What???

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    I’m sorry Crawford, you seem like an intelligent dude but you say the most unreasonable things to prove your points.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Allenp: Yes, I will devalue LeBron for the rings he wins in Miami. If that makes me ridiculous, then I’ll bee dat with no problem. Kobe has maybe 2 years left in him in LA. Boston, has a season. Orlando, forget it. But once those things evaporate, that’s it. Where is the competition for Miami? Chicago? New York if they get Melo and CP3? And that’s just in the East. What about the West? There is none. So no, I can not and will not honor that and I won’t apologize for it. I’m sorry. Amd saying that you would’ve preferred that he take another route to get his rings and then following that up with saying you’re OK with how he gets his rings is a conflict in and of itself. I’m Ok with the control going back into the hands of GM and not the players. Inmates should not run the asylum. We’ve already seen the fallout from that.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @T-Money: Like for real, for real.
    @Eboy: Brewer is a good matchup for Wade, not Bron. BTW – Kobe kills everybody.
    @Jukai: If you think Hinrich is a better defender than Ronnie Brewer, OK. I’m not going to argue that.

  • JTaylor21

    BCrawford, Wade/Bron/Bosh are a way better trio than Rose/Noah/Booz, no disrepect it’s not even a comp. Also when has Brewer ever been a great defender, he’s overrated if you ask me. What did he do against Kobe, nothing, against Melo, nothing, and whenever the heat played the jazz; wade ALWAYS had his way with him. I think that you’re overrating Bre’s D a little too much. Also boozer unlike Bosh, struggles against size and is a worse defender. He played with a top-2 PG the past 3 years and didn’t do sh*t in the playoffs.

  • Ronald

    Maybe he should try and lead the league in rebounds or something. That’ll be suprising and cool all at the same time.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Just a question, B….who’s the matchup for Lebron? Taj Gibson? Deng? There’s your deathtrap.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @JTaylor21: I did not say that the Bulls TRIO was “better” than anybody’s, I said they were AS GOOD AS any trio in the East, and I stand by that. Boston’s is old and on their way out and Miami’s is at the top of the food chain. That’s not even a debate. But ours is definitely legit even though nobody seems to want to give them any credit for being so.

  • T-Money

    Bryan: if you truly believe that Rose, Noah, Booz is just as good as Bron, Bosh, Wade and KG, Ray Ray, PP… then there’s really nothing left to discuss / Allenp saying that he would have PREFERRED Bron to choose another team and that his potential rings in Miami would still be legit is not a contradiction. / Not sure Brewer has the foot speed to keep up with Wade. But then again, who does…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, I purposefully didn’t even bring up LeBron because I know better. There is no 1-on-1 matchup for him. That’ll have to be by commitee, although Deng does a fairly good job on him. He’s not a stopper though. I’m not that crazy.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Boozer is not on the same level as Bosh. That’s just false.
    And if you think Noah, Booze and Rose compares to Lebron, Wade and Bosh, you’re high. Really, REALLY high. Come on now, being a fan is one thing, but come on.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy is right. Hinrich played Wade better than anybody in the League. In fact, when the Bulls bounced the heat in the playoffs, it was mainly because Hinrich had Wade looking like a bum for long stretches. He doesn’t bite on the pump fakes, doesn’t let him drive to his right at will, and plays him phyiscally, but clean. I always liked Hinrich.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    B, the Heat have no one in the backcourt for D-Rose unless Wade sticks with him on critical possessions. Noah is not an offensive threat (like Joel Anthony) and Bosh and Boozer are probably going to be a wash. So basically it comes down to Wade/Bron and Deng/Gibson, am I right? If I am, I think you’re in trouble.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    1.people have conceded the future to the Heat, not the present. The Lakers front court and depth gives them an edge, but in another year or two it’s over for them. Maybe sooner.
    2.you can’t take a chip away from them, but you can put a big assasterisk next to it. I’ll get into the contstruction and validity of other stacked teams in a post another time, but the glaring difference between this situation and any other is that there was no GM or owner acting on the players behalf. This wasn’t due to a trade or a fixed draft. LeBron made “The Decision”. No one else. If he wins, he wins. But no one will forget how.
    3.people have been bombarded with the Kobe/Shaq corrollary so often that it’s been all but cemented as fact. Kobe himself acknowledged it during both of his past two chips. So if it’s applicable then, then it’s applicable now. You can say that Bron n Wade needed each other, but that’s not necessarily true either.
    4.i heart Kobe, as I hearted MJ so I don’t mind a cocky player. But in the decision that Bron made, he essentially humbled himself. If he would have overtly said “I don’t want to do it alone, it’s not fun. I’d rather enjoy the game with my friends and honestly I do like to pass more. I don’t want to carry the load every night. And I don’t want one ring. I want a fistfull. I want to be a part of something bigger than myself.” then there’d be no problems from me. But he hasn’t. He’s stacked the deck in a way that no one before him has and continues to behave as though he’s the King. You can’t have it both ways and if he didn’t learn that this summer he will soon enough.
    5.bye.

  • JTaylor21

    @BCrawford, isn’t that a contradicting statement; you said that they as good as ANYBODY but then said that MIA is at the top of the food chain. Either CHI is tied at the top with Mia or they are below them in terms of trios. Also I do give them credit but DRose hasn’t yet reached his full potential, Booz is a very good player but lacks size and struggles immensely vs length, and Noah is a great rebounder and hustler but nothing more.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @Allenp: So now Chris Bosh is better than Carlos Boozer? Really? How? Yesterday, you said that you weren’t ready to concede that Iguodala wasn’t a better mid-range shooter than Josh Smith and you needed to see stats. But everybody knows that without even having to look anything up. And no, the trio in Chicago doesn’t “compare” to Miami’s, but don’t act like they’re no slouches either. Nobody has a trio that compares player-for-player to what they have down there, but that doesn’t mean that there isn’t any competition for them either. Excuse me for not being willing to just roll over and play dead for Miami.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    1.people have conceded the future to the Heat, not the present. The Lakers front court and depth gives them an edge, but in another year or two it’s over for them. Maybe sooner.
    2.you can’t take a chip away from them, but you can put a big assasterisk next to it. I’ll get into the contstruction and validity of other stacked teams in a post another time, but the glaring difference between this situation and any other is that there was no GM or owner acting on the players behalf. This wasn’t due to a trade or a fixed draft. LeBron made “The Decision”. No one else. If he wins, he wins. But no one will forget how.
    3.people have been bombarded with the Kobe/Shaq corrollary so often that it’s been all but cemented as fact. Kobe himself acknowledged it during both of his past two chips. So if it’s applicable then, then it’s applicable now. You can say that Bron n Wade needed each other, but that’s not necessarily true either.
    4.i heart Kobe, as I hearted MJ so I don’t mind a c*cky player. But in the decision that Bron made, he essentially humbled himself. If he would have overtly said “I don’t want to do it alone, it’s not fun. I’d rather enjoy the game with my friends and honestly I do like to pass more. I don’t want to carry the load every night. And I don’t want one ring. I want a fistfull. I want to be a part of something bigger than myself.” then there’d be no problems from me. But he hasn’t. He’s stacked the deck in a way that no one before him has and continues to behave as though he’s the King. You can’t have it both ways and if he didn’t learn that this summer he will soon enough.
    5.bye.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan
    I don’t see the conflict.
    I would have preferred, as a fan, to see he and Wade battle it out for rings. More exciting basketball for me.
    That doesn’t mean that Lebron, Wade and Bosh trying to win ring with role players and castoffs he somehow unvalid. It’s like Jordan, Pippen and Rodman (who was a free agent if I’m not mistaken).
    If every other superstar can play with superstars to win rings, why can’t Lebron? I feel like Rose should develop into a superstar, but I can understand that Lebron didn’t want to wait around. He wants to win now and so do Wade and Bosh.
    I think it’s ridiculous to say Lebron’s rings don’t count because his team is stacked when you look back over the history of NBA champions and who played on which teams. It just doesn’t make sense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    But I can’t wait to see this sh*t live and in person so we can all stop being at each other’s throats over hypotheticals and be at each other’s throats over the REAL THING!!!!!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, the Joel Anthony vs Joakim Noah thing was a joke, right?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    What exactly have we seen from players making personnel decisions?
    How is this so horrible?
    Damn, I gotta bounce and do something for work, but I really want to discuss this topic further. Hell, this needs to be a topic of its own on Slam’s site.
    I’m curious why people think the old model of player movement was more fair or just then the current one. Or, do people really not care about fairness and justice as long as they get what they want?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    How can a trio be “as good” but not “compare”? That doesn’t make sense.
    And, watching Iggy and Josh, I don’t think there is a that big a difference between them as mid range shooters. It’s fine if folks disagree, I’m cool with that. When both of them were shooting large numbers of jumpers, both of them sucked at it miserably. I can’t say one sucked more than the other.
    And by what metric is Boozer better than Bosh? Hell, we can break them down.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Being Alaskan? Hairy chest contest?

  • T-Money

    I didn’t even realize that Bosh vs Boozer was a debate. I mean, isn’t it tellig that Chicago took a swing at Chris first? Boozer can be neutralized by length and is not as athletic.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    On the offensive side? Not at all. Noah’s an average offensive center. Joel is below average. They are no type of a threat to get into a scoring grove and cause matchup problems for someone else. That’s what I meant. In terms of hustle, rebounding and overall D, Noah is much beyond Joel, but I’d direct you to look at Joel’s per minute average for blocked shots and since he’s going to be getting way more minutes (and a starring role in a superstar cast)he’ll look a hell of a lot better than he has in the past as a misfit on a miscast roster.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    Bosh is better than Boozer. I mean, that’s common sense.
    If Lebron’s rings with Miami don’t count, then Kobe only has two rings, Kareem has one, Chamberlain has one, Dr. J has zero, and Rick Barry is the best player of all time. C’mon.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Eboy, Joel didn’t look good on Team Canada. So he’s going to just shine in Miami? I don’t think so. That’s reaching.

  • JTaylor21

    You guys do know that the King nickname was given to him when he was in high-school by a reporter, so to act like he just decided to crown himself king is idiotic unlike Kobe who named himself after a snake. Is kobe a snake, HELL NO but I don’t hold it against him. Also what the hell is wrong with the players having ALL the power and the owners reduced to the spectators they really are. The players are the ONLY thing or product that the fans pay to see not some shriveled up dude in a sky box. That’s why the NBA just had RECORD ticket sales for the upcoming season all because of what occurred this summer. So power to the players and fu*k the owners.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Uhm…..he’ll be getting wide open looks under the basket due to Lebron and Dwyane’s (and Bosh’s step out game)basket penetration. I think he may average 8-10pts a game, which would be Kareem numbers for a dude like Joel.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I guess I’m just a defiant Bulls fan unwilling to concede anything to Miami even at the expense of looking and sounding ridiculous in the eyes of others. That’s why the games are played. I feel my team has a chance to compete. Now if we’d have had the same squad as last year, you wouldn’t hear a peep out of me. But I know we have horses and I believe in Thibs’ system, at least defeinsively anyway, and I think we’re going to give teams a hard time.

  • T-Money

    Bryan: I’m curious, what would be a satisfying reg season for Chicago fans? They could be anywhere from 3rd to 7th in the East competing vs MIA, ORL, BOS, ATL, MIL and CHA.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I think I’ve already written that I fear them more than the Magic. I probably, as a fan, fear these teams the most in the East,in order, Celtics, Bulls, Magic/Bucks tie.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Hawks will be swept out of the playoffs again.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I don’t care to discount anyones rings, but I do ask for consistency or at least proper context. Fair is fair. As far as whether anyone gave themselves a nickname or not, unless that same reporter held him down and tatted references to said nickname all over his body, I don’t wana hear sh*t about it. And i do hope that anyone with a “f*ck the owners” attitude isn’t representing the players union. enjoy the lockout next year…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @T-Money: I think satisfying would be 50 wins or more and a 3rd-5th seed. I think a 6th or 7th seed for them is too low given the talent they have now which is far superior to anything they’ve had since Jordan left.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    JTaylor21: C’mon bro… you DO hold it against Kobe. Haha.

  • T-Money

    E: 10 pts a game for Joel? I wouldn’t go that far. I say 6 pts, 7-8 boards, 2-3 blocks would be a DOPE line for him. The concerns about his height are overstated, yeah he’s 6’9 but his wingspan his 7’5. 7 freaking 5!

  • T-Money

    Also, E, I’m from Montreal… I’ve played vs. Joel Anthony in high school and CÉGEP (prep school). Dude has never averaged double digits in points at any level. HS, Prep, JUCO, D1, NBA… Quite an amazing feat actually when you think about it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    10 is a dream, T, that’s why I put 8-10 cause I know it’s unreal. I think he can really get 8 a game, though.

  • ManofGod131

    JTaylor, whether he gave himself the nickname or not, he started referring to himself as King James and still does. Kobe doesn’t go around referring to himself as The Black Mamba…it’s just a nickname based on how he plays and other people call him that now. And the Bulls will be at least a 4th seed behind the Heat, Celtics and Magic. The Hawks will not be as good as they were last season. The Bucks may surpass them if they stay healthy. People still seem to not be giving D-Rose the respect he deserves. Name the top point guards in the league and you can’t get too far without mentioning him. Williams, Paul…most mention Nash here but I can’t give him this spot because he doesn’t play defense, Rose, Rondo and Westbrook.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    T, that’s a cool little bit of knowledge. I guess I’ll ratchet back my 8 pts a game pick to 6!

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    ManofGod131: Uh, actually Kobe has referred to himself as that quite a lot. If he’s not, he’s referring to himself as other nicknames.
    Who cares?

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    This discussion has been most entertaining to read. I can feel the home team intensity steaming off the screen. Too bad, I no longer have a team to bend arguments and argue non-sensibly about. FWIW, the Vancouver Grizzlies were one of the greatest teams of all time.

  • JTaylor21

    Sure he has NEVER called himself the Black Mamba; the same nickname he probably thought of while taking a sh*t, CHILD PLEASE, you probably need crowbars to open up your ears. The Bulls will crush the Bucks if they were to meet in the playoffs because BJennings would get his cookies taken by DRose, Noah is more than capable of guarding Bogut and Boozer is too good for whoever the RUDOLPHs have at PF. I think that people are overrating the bucks a little too much this year, don’t get me wrong they are a playoff team possibly the 4th seed but there’s no way in HELL that they beat Mia/Bos/Chi/Orl. Sorry bucks fans NOBODY fears Rudolph the red-nose reindeer.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    @AllenP, I believe Rodman was traded for Perdue; wasn’t an FA signing. But I’m with you on the player movement debate. Can’t see why it’s looked down on when players decide the composition of their teams. I think it holds them more accountable.

  • T-Money

    E: Preseason games will be very telling of Joel’s offensive production this year. If he can catch the ball down low, he’ll get 2-3 wide open dunks a game just by being in the lane. If he drops passes, Wade and Bron will lose confidence and not look for him on drive n dish opportunities. / Another question: who’s the 9th man, House or Arroyo? To me, right now, Arroyo and James Jones are not part of the 9-man rotation.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    T, House for sure. Z, Miller, Haslem, House. That’s the rotation guys….with Arroyo occasionally.

  • T-Money

    (I refuse to partake in any discussion about players’ nicknames)

  • http://dez@nba.com dez

    triple doubles != wins.
    Bron didn’t leave CLE for the stats.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    I’d prefer to see a starting lineup of Lebron-Wade-Miller-Bosh-Big Z/Joel with House, Chalmers, Haslem, and occassionally James Jones as the guys who come off the bench.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    FYI: Kobe christened himself “Black Mamba”. In an interview, he actually quoted Kill Bill when referencing his nickname. He also named himself the “Doberman” during his Team USA stint. I don’t have a problem with it, just sayin’.

  • ManofGod131

    No one said the Bucks were better than the Bulls…so where did that come from JTaylor?

  • JTaylor21

    All I know is that this season is going to be one for the motherf*cking AGES. So many sub-plots and developments to look forward to, I know I’ll be glued to the couch like a fat dude after thanksgiving. Also 2K11 is days away from arriving at my front door, sh*t I’ll probably run up on the mailman before he even reaches my street.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I forgot that fu*king Doberman bullsh*t. Yet another thing he tried to steal from Mike….the Fuc*ing Mini Pin.

  • http://dsjfklf.com Jukai

    Yeahhhhh forgot 2k11 was rearing around the corner. With Jordan as playable, I’m downright creating my all-legends team and putting the game on uber hard and just wrecking sh*t

  • JTaylor21

    I probably just stick with the Heat and try to reach for those 72 wins and a triple dub for Bron. @Juks, you be on that online sh*t?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m putting Mike on the Heat and will wait for the cyber haters to tell him that he’s “tarnishing is legacy and pulling a bit*h move”. 2K11….just like SLAMOnline just with more nerds!

  • ManofGod131

    The Heat won’t touch the Bulls record. Too many talented teams in the league. But I agree that this season will be one for the books. Glad I’m done with college now so that I can sit down and watch games without any interruptions. Every night there will be a good game to watch. And 2K11 will also soon be in my possession.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    @SLAM staff, can you guys make sure to post a review of 2K11? I want all the regular commenters to weigh in on it before I decide to cop.

  • JTaylor21

    @LA that’s a GREAT idea but if this youtube clip: watch?v=p0ILRWlkhu0 doesn’t make you want to run out your house to the store with no shoes on, you might as well wait for live to disappoint you again.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    @JTaylor, I’ve seen the trailers and read about the new features this year. And I’ve been copping 2K since Shaq was on the cover. My beef is with last year’s launch and lack of patches for bugs. The Jordan challenge is cool and all but I want to know this game to be polished before I spend another $60 after last year’s mishandling.

  • T-Money

    I may need to get XBOX live for this one. It’s going to be EPIC.

  • T-Money

    Jukai: I really like Miller off the bench to bring some firepower to the second unit. A Wade-Miller-Bron-UD-Bosh crunch time line is just bananas, I mean how do you guard that? The only team that could somewhat exploit that team defensively is Orlando and Dwight can’t score like that (remember that LAL doesn’t play Bynum in the clutch and finishes games with LO-Pau. Haslem never had any problems with LO and Chris won’t stop Pau but at least that’s his natural match up).

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’m glad this conversation took a turn in the direction of something we can ALL agree on and that is 2K11 is going to be the dopes hoops game of all time!! Even if you are still playing Xbox 360 (I kid, I kid!)

  • JTaylor21

    @BCrawford, HAA you probably just dusted off and spit shined your sega genesis.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @JTaylor21: You mean PS3 aka The Big Boy Console!

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    T-Money: I’m fine with Miller off the bench, I just want Lebron running point and Miller is the best option at small forward. Put James Jones in for all I care.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    Honestly, the problem for James is the rebounding. He operates way too far away from the basket, so he has trouble getting defensive rebounds. I think a double double with eight assists is way more doable.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    And yeah, I have such high expectations for 2k11. If it’s anything like the last two 2Ks, I’ll be crushed.

  • JTaylor21

    @BCraw I got that and I’m putting it out there; I’m bin landen on the sticks and haven’t lost a 2k game in Lord knows how long.

  • LakeShow

    Kobe Could… ;)

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    This will not end well for anyone involved.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    @ Bryan Crawford – I am (still) playing Xbox360… Don’t tell me PS3 has been better this whole time?……. my mother lied…

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Every basketball game that ever came out (if not any other sporting game really) has had a glitch (or 4) that you can work out and take advantage off to win games. Like 2k10 for example (xbox version at least) you just steal the ball everytime the inbounder can’t make the direct pass to the PG. He passes it to the SG and then as you move up the court staying on the ball side of the PG the pass comes (almost everytime) and you can just take it. It’s woeful.
    ____________________________________________________
    Mind you every NBAlive2010 player looks like a zombie from I AM LEGEND.
    ____________________________________________________
    If there are any glaring weaknesses with either of these games going forward, it’s time to go looking for $$$ back.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Every basketball game that ever came out (if not any other sporting game really) has had a glitch (or 4) that you can work out and take advantage off to win games. Like 2k10 for example (xbox version at least) you just steal the ball everytime the inbounder can’t make the direct pass to the PG. He passes it to the SG and then as you move up the court staying on the ball side of the PG the pass comes (almost everytime) and you can just take it. It’s woeful.
    ____________________________________________________
    Mind you every NBAlive2010 player looks like a zombie from I AM LEGEND.
    ____________________________________________________
    If there are any glaring weaknesses with either of these games going forward, it’s time to go looking for $$$ back.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Every basketball game that ever came out (if not any other sporting game really) has had a glitch (or 4) that you can work out and take advantage off to win games. Like 2k10 for example (xbox version at least) you just steal the ball everytime the inbounder can’t make the direct pass to the PG. He passes it to the SG and then as you move up the court staying on the ball side of the PG the pass comes (almost everytime) and you can just take it. It’s woeful.
    ____________________________________________________
    Mind you every NBAlive2010 player looks like a zombie from I AM LEGEND.
    ____________________________________________________
    If there are any glaring weaknesses with either of these games going forward, it’s time to go looking for $$$ back.

  • http://nbaforum.net Holy Karron

    If he wanted to I think he could but thats alot of work and focus on stats and i think he only want rings asap

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Lebron wants this bad, you can tell, I still see this not working and if LEBRON would have won one title in Cleveland, then it would have been better than three in Miami, but hey I am just a NBA fan, but a triple double would help him improve his punk image if he could pull it off. BOOK IT!!

  • The Philosopher

    To my People:
    Most of you all know my tendencies up here, so…
    I’m going to admire myself for this one, too.
    I was the first on these threads to put The King averaging a triple double out there to The Masses.
    (clearing my throat)lol
    So I will be expecting royalties if he pulls it off.
    (clearing my throat again)

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    Dacre: They corrected that issue in PS3. Ironically though, they did not correct the “pass to the player as he runs out of bounds” glitch, even after they SAID they corrected the damn glitch.
    I’m a sucker and I’ll still buy it once it comes out though.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    I was playn 2k10 last night with my kings franchise(reke, jr smith, salmons, anthony randolph, kaman), and in a game vs the rockets, those muthazuckaz could not miss a 3, ariza, battier, martin, and budinger were hitting insanely hard 3s all game long, it was so crazy and incredibly frustrating. 2k11 will fix that, I hope, and where instead of passing to the open man nearby, the pass randomly goes to the guy on the opposite side of the court, where its stolen. Lil glitches are so damn frustrating

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Bron might be able to do it. Hed have to be running the point all game, 8.6 assists last sason. He could get a bunch of defensive boards, but that would prevent him from getting out on the fastbreak, where hes most effective. So I doubt it will happen.

  • str8 from samoa

    LEBRON DONT NEED TO HIT THAT TRIPLE DOUBLE. ANY GAME IS POSSIBLE. ITS ABOUT GETTIN THAT WIN. C’MON THE STARTING 5 IS JUST BEAST OUT THERE.. THAT CHAMPIONSHIP IS WHAT THEY NEED TO AIM FO AND THEY HAVE DA RIGHT PLAYERS TO DO THAT.

  • KB2412345

    daaaaamn str8 you really laid it all out there for us dogg. we did not reeeealize.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    @TARZAN COOPER (and everyone else who wants to know) – I’ve gotten around the ‘randon pass. fail’ by always using “direct pass”. for xbox you basically hold down the LEFT TRIGGER and the pass is made according to the particular icon/position etc…
    just pressing x for pass is of no use to anyone….
    —————————————————–
    direct pass to the centre = LT + Y
    direct pass to the pg = LT + X

    etc…

  • T-Money

    camera: broadcast or 2k?

  • bashmo

    People need to realize something about LBJ. Other than that fumble with not shaking hands after the 09 ECF’s he really is a modest, respectful guy when it comes to interviewing, and such. Really knows what to say when the lights are shining on him. He is modest, generous on film…

    but the handshake thing was pretty messed up still

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    bashmo – did you hibernate this summer?

  • mrbust

    if he always tried to average triple double, he would never get a trophy

  • Kgomotso Nkhumise

    I think he will average a double double maybe (assists and points), don’t know about the rebounds.

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