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Thursday, November 11th, 2010 at 11:00 am  |  43 responses

Alvin Gentry: Suns Not Trading Steve Nash

The Suns‘ rough start to the season has some wondering if Nash should be moved, something the team’s head coach can’t even fathom happening. From the AZ Republic: “Nash envisions playing beyond this contract but how much losing would he be willing to endure in Phoenix at this stage? Nash has been blunt with his frustration that the Suns were a step away from the NBA Finals last season, only to have the team made over  in the summer and the reliance fall on him to make it work. ‘I don’t know,’ Nash said of whether losing would change his perspective on a trade. ‘It was a pretty frustrating year two years ago and I re-signed because I felt like we had unfinished business. Dreaming big would be to go to the Western Conference Finals and have a chance to beat the Lakers. We got back and did that. Now we’re kind of starting at the bottom again but let’s see what we can do. Let’s see how good we can get.’ At that point after Wednesday’s practice, Suns coach Alvin Gentry got his point guard’s back twice. He stepped in to end Nash’s interview and then he made out trade speculators to be ridiculous. ‘Steve’s not going to be traded, that I can tell you,’ Gentry said. ‘If he’s getting traded, I’m going along with him, OK? Have you looked at the way he’s playing? He’s playing at a real high level. Why would we trade him? I don’t understand that. That’s nothing that’s been discussed here. It’s not going to happen. Or at least all those guys out there on the coaching staff are going to make sure that it doesn’t happen and I don’t think Lon (Babby) and Lance (Blanks) are going to let it happen. So who the hell is going to trade him? Not Robert (Sarver), I know that.’ Gentry was a bit worked up about the topic. ‘Steve is here,’ he said. ‘Steve is the face of our franchise and he’s here. Make sure that gets on every telecast and every radio and everything that you guys got out there.’”

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  • t-sizzle

    way to be selfish

  • http://Mrjones21901@aol.com Run’n'Gun219

    You guys frogot to put in qoutes of him saying Umm-kay TWELVE TIMES. Or at least after every sentence

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    To be honest, NOT trading Nash would probably hurt the team in the long run.
    -
    On another note, anyone getting these weird GEO pop ups?!

  • James aka…

    I got the geo pop-up

  • Stokesey

    YES Niq!!!! WTF is with those??

  • Clos1881

    Send him to the hawks. I can’t really think of alot of teams that would be able trade anything equal or have the picks Phoenix would want.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryByrdMan44 LA Huey

    Trading for Hedo was THE mistake. Hedo’s the new Peja. I’m always under the belief that if your team is going nowhere, might as well, be entertaining and draft smart until you get some pieces. And let Nash retire as a Sun.

  • Amir

    we’ll see in february.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Trade Nash if he couldn’t produce with Bell, Marion, Amare and Barbosa back in the day, why do this Suns team still think he will get them anywhere. Nash has already gotten two GIFTED WRAP MVP’s, so trade him for some picks and young talent. BOOK IT!!

  • spit hot fiyah

    i thought it was my computer that was tripping out, nice to see i’m not the only one with that problem

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Seed you don’t understand how player value translates into trades, and obviously don’t understand how important a player (Nash) is too success. Nash wouldn’t get Phoenix anywhere near the value in return that he supplies on a day in day out basis, 10 straight playoff appearances should be obvious proof how much he helps a team, but in your crazy world if a guy doesn’t win a title he’s overrated Which means approxamitely 90% of players in NBA history are entirely overrated. The reasons Phoenix won’t, can’t, shouldn’t trade Nash, he’s over 35, he is Phoenix’s only player that puts butts in seats, and teams with championship aspirations don’t have quality young players/draft picks to give up for a PG with a maximum of 3 more years of high level play left in his career.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    nbk
    You are saying that he puts people in the seats. Yes he does, but he is 35, so to me you should start over anyway with Dragic at point, and get some picks with young talent. Nash also has the most playoff games in History and no Finals appearance. The Suns will go nowhere with him. Their offense is all about assists and points with no defense. If the Suns want to use Nash as a mascot to bring in fans, so be it, but it will eventually put the team back some years, if they are not proactive now.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    So your insinuating the Suns should trade Nash (the most popular player in Suns history) to a bottom feeder team that has no use for him? Be realistic, Nash won’t even play for a horrid team, and no horrid team wants a player that doesn’t improve their future. YOu have to look at more then just, hey Nash didn’t lead phoenix to a title so it’s pointless to keep him. There is no logic in trading Nash, you can’t get anything even close to comparable value in return, and considering Phoenix is one of the most popular FA destinations waiting out his contract and building through what is available is clearly a better option. Especially when you consider that if Phoenix trades Nash their hopes of the playoffs are completely killed, but if they keep him they will continue to sell out and be competitive in the west. Its a business, you don’t kill your company today because it MIGHT help you in the future. Use logic

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    nbk
    A good team would take him for some of their young players and a pick to get them over the top. Orlando, ATL, Miami, NY and a plenty of other teams could use him. So to act like Nash has to be traded to a bad team is wrong. Also Nash is not the most popular player in Suns history, BARKLEY, KJ and Thunder Dan to me is still more important than Nash. You are caught up in the Two MVP’s awards to see that his team never really did anything with him and that he was partly the downfall of all those teams. The Dallas Mavericks went to the Finals the next year after Nash left. Answer that. Also Nash does need to be traded, a real owner needs to make the team better not use a old player as a Mascot. Suns are not competitive in the West, if he couldn’t lead the other teams with better players to a Finals, then this team is doomed. So the Suns getting beat in the 1st round is a success to you. I guess that is what the Suns management is looking for, because keeping Amare was more important that keeping Nash. BOOK IT!!

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Send him bk to Dallas

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Nash is the most popular player in suns history in ever measurable way. More jersey sales, sell outs, playoff appearances, MVP’s, TV ratings, everything. And those teams don’t have value picks (NYK doesn’t hVe a pick for the next 2 years and are the only ones that won’t finish in the upper 8 in the league. Plus who young player wise could any of those teams give up that would even give phoenix half of Nash’s value. If phoenix were to get near equAl value it would have to be in a 3team trade to a bottom feeder willing to take Vince carters expiring contract, there isn’t really another option

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    And considering the NBA is a business, making the playoffs no matter what happens in the first roun is a success. It’s called revenue, something Phoenix will get a ton less of if Dragic is the starting PG and the suns finish out of the playoff picture. Well actually if they get rid of Nash they won’t even be in the hunt.

  • http://brimartin13@gmail.com Brion

    I know it would never happen , but would love to see him run the show in Miami.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    I would certainly say that Nash has been the most popular player in Suns history. I loved Barkley, but like, he was pretty polarizing.
    Mentioning KJ and Thunder Dan in a popularity contest with Nash is a monster of a joke.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    But but nash made amare and marion. Nash was gonna turn hakim into an all star. Nash makes everyone better. Nash doesnt need amare.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Hakim Warrick will never ever be an all star. GTFOH with that crazy talk, he is just as old as Amar’e, its not like he is bursting with potential.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You know what Tarzan was doing NBK. And he’s right.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Rashard Lewis, Jameer Nelson and Mikael Pietrus for Nashty, JRich, Channing Frye, and Earl Clark. I think those salaries are close…

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Those saying Nash made marion and amare need to see both of these dudes averaged the same numbers with Marbury at point and almost upset Spurs the year they won a title. Also, Barkley is more popular than Nash and KJ is a better point guard, yall cats live in the moment KJ would walk all over Nash. I have done the analysis of their stats. KJ’s is better and played with a dominate player in Barkley. Only thing Nash has to promote him is his FAKE MVP awards, besides that he is nothing but a good point guard. Thunder Dan was very popular is still is. Nash is for rent as the SUNS mascot right now. Dallas got better without him and he doesn’t make anybody better, he gets them easier baskets, some of yall need to understand there is a difference. BOOK IT!!

  • ALEX80

    @ The Seed. Nash couldn’t produce with Bell, Marion, Amare and Barbosa back in the day??????????????..WtF…..Have you ever seen a Suns game in the past 7 years???. Laker lover.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Alex80
    What did they win, How many times did they make it to the Western Conference Finals during that time, What team did they keep losing to. Answer all these questions and you will realize that they really didn’t do anything but be a regular season GREAT TEAM all those years. IF he can’t win with good players, how can he win with average players. Get rid of the Mascot. BOOK IT!!

  • http://sdjfklf.com Jukai

    Allenp: How is Amare and Marion doing right now? Don’t quote old stats. Tell me how they’re doing right now. Go ahead. Maybe you should start with “Nash kills players” after they leave or something.
    Also, Hakim WArrick’s stats seem to be up across the board. The dude is averaging 13 points on f’ing 63%, both career highs.
    I’m sure that’s pure coincidence and not Steve Nash though.
    God damn, you f*cking haters just don’t stop. Who is still in the league, Nash or Iverson? Real talk.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Jukai, marion is playing great. Sure, hes not putting up the stats he did in phx, but thats not his role on the mavs. Hes still playing great defense and having a positive impact on all aspects. Amare? O u know 33 10. He had some early turnover issues, but thats being resolved. What about nash? Hows he doing right now?

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I love how the seed says stuff like, the only thing Nash has is two mvps… as if that ‘only’ has marginal value. I got some numbers for you….. 50, 90, 45, x 5. Percentages. He’s done better for longer than anyone ELSE ever.
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    @ tarzan – Sure Amare gets you 33 and 10 one night… then comes back for 16 and 4 the next. Amare is as irregular with NYK as he was with PHX so I would say the jury is out on whether Amare is any better on his own – he’s doing his Bosh impressions out there this yeah too… As of right now: Steve Nash’s numbers:
    18.7 ppg, 8.9 apg, 3.6 rpg all of those are above his career averages. he’s logging 33.4 mpg and his 4.8 tpg are probably the only glaring weakness. I guess the point is, what do you want to see from him? We aren’t talking about potential, or youth or even being surrounded by the same group of guys for extended years. Having him alongside a legitimate all-star big would be the best case scenario and he doesn’t have that. It doesn’t make him a worse player because of who he has been surrounded with – I bet you he’s VERY P’Oed with the make up of the roster yet he’sjust working to the best of his abilities.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    As far as barkley being more popular than Nash… thats rich. The only reason you hear Barkleys name is because he’s easy to mock and make fun of; enter FRANK CALIENDO into your search engines and see for yourself.

  • Gammy

    Im pretty sure the only reason people even know who Boris Diaw is is because of Nash… just saying. Also, KJ was great in his prime, underated even. But he never commanded a game like Nash. Present all the stats you want, thats just fact. STAT is going to put up numbers with whoever, saying Nash made him is a lie, but saying Nash is garbage without him is just the same. Its like saying Jordan made Pippen. There both great players (Pippen is much better) so please stop with that argument.

  • Towelie

    “Nash also has the most playoff tigames in History and no Finals appearance.”

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    I am starting to think “THE SEED” doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

  • Jay

    Can he stop saying book it? It makes him sound like a douche. If douches could type.

  • dsleepy21

    I really like that gentry stepped in to defend his player. Respect

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Why are steves assists so low? What happened to 11.5? What happened to he makes everyone around him so much better? What happened to he made amare, marion, johnson(o wait, nash fans dont say that one cuz its obviously untrue), etc. Maybe, just maybe, nash owes a chunk of his individual success to the great players hes played with. Maybe, nash the superstar was an apparition. Nash is def an all star, one of best shooters ever. But, hes been greatly overrated.

  • ALEX80

    @ the seed 28pts and 14 dimes tonight….Book it!!!

  • ALEX80

    and a brand new kid.

  • Kyle

    Nash hasn’t been greatly overrated… he brought back the pure point guard. A guy who could score but chose to pass first. He was the first guy to average 11 or more assists in a game since Stockton. There is something called the Nash effect… it’s what happened to Shawn Marion. Happened to Finley. Happened to Boris Diaw. Happened to Tim Thomas(who Nash brought back from the dead and got him severely overpaid.) Made Raja Bell a scorer when only known as a defensive role player. It’s happening to Amar’e right now(look at his field goal percentage and increased turnovers.) I think he’s up to 4.5 a game. He’s shooting 10 percent lower from the field now…

    Only two players didn’t suffer from this: Dirk(Hall of Famer) and Joe Johnson(perennial all-star.) Oh, it also happened to D’Antoni… Porter screwed up the system, and Gentry is now looking great while(and is actually a better coach than D’Antoni)the other guy is a bum in NY. This is to you Tarzan… look at who Nash plays with now… he’s averaging 19.9 ppg shooting over 50 percent from the field and averaging 9.5 assists a game. This is with Hedo who hasn’t tried since Orlando, Lopez who can’t catch the ball, Frye who Nash made last season, and only Richardson and Hill contributing.

  • Kyle

    Oh, that being said… I wish the Suns would trade him if they’re not going to bring in another player who can help them make and go deep in the playoffs again. He’s almost 37(showing no signs of slowing down), but age catches up to everyone. They should have tried to get David Lee(who can run, hit the 18 foot jumper, and dunk while outrebound Amar’e)or anyone with skills. Nash is also playing 32.5 minutes a game(so his assist numbers will be down.) Trade him to the Hawks(they’d score 115 a game), or the Bulls(Bulls don’t have a good shooting guard)… sounds retarded, but let Rose play there, learn from Nash, score 25, still get 5 or 6 assists a game and they would outrun anyones but have Boozer coming back when things are slowed down in the half court during the playoffs. Hawks would be the best though obviously. Thinking about it, it sounds sorta dumb now him going to the Magic, but not the Bulls. The Eastern Conference is weak after the top 2 teams especially with how the Hawks and Heat are playing.

  • Justin

    It is unbelievable to me that there are still these idiots out there saying Nash is/was overrated, that he didn’t earn his MVP’s. Are you people insane? Don’t just look at how the other players on his teams all had their stats at career highs when playing with him. Look at how his teams fared when he was sidelined vs. when he was healthy. Look at the Suns’ record the year before he came back vs. his first year back. How much more proof do people need?
    nbk…Why argue with The Seed? His comments make him look more and more ridiculous every second, especially with that stupid BOOK IT shit that he does. I mean, all you have to do when knowing who you’re talking to is see the line “Thunder Dan was more important than Steve Nash” and you know what kind of imbecile you’re dealing with. How the hell can a guy who was the FOURTH option on his team be more important than an all time point guard? As for not being able to produce I guess all those trips to the Western Conference Finals only to lose to the eventual NBA champion isn’t producing. Delusional fool

  • Rainman

    @ the seed:

    ur a retarded nash hater lol.

  • Rainman

    The Suns were the best team in the LEague in 07.
    If it wasnt for a Robert Horry hip check and some dumb suspensions, The SUNS would have gone on to sweep the Cavs, Not the Spurs.

    so i think its time you pack it up son.

  • Rainman

    oh yeah…forgot to add…

    BOOK IT!!

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