Friday, December 17th, 2010 at 8:40 am  |  231 responses

Post Up: A Man Alive

Ginobili’s heroics lead the Spurs over the Nuggets.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

New Jersey 97, Washington 89

With John Wall sidelined, Devin Harris went to town. He didn’t shoot well from the field (7-25), but he got to the line 17 times, converting 14, and finished with 29 points and 9 dimes as he led the Nets to the W. The victory snapped an eight-game losing streak, and was the sixth-straight loss for the Wiz, who fell to 6-18. And things aren’t getting any easier; Washington has Miami at home tomorrow night. Should be fun.

Boston 102, Atlanta 90

The Rondo-less Celts went against the Joe Johnson-less Hawks, and simply put, Boston got a stronger effort from those that were healthy than Atlanta did. Ain’t much more to it. Every starting Celtic (plus Big Baby) scored in double figures, while, strangely enough, the only Hawks that go going were Marvin Williams (26 points) and Jeff Teague (18 points). That wasn’t cutting it—nor was Josh Smith’s 1 point off 0-8 shooting or Al Horford’s 8-point, 7-rebound night. Jamal Crawford, who’s been great in Johnson’s absence, was out with a sore back, and that certainly didn’t help the road team’s cause at all. Boston’s winning streak is now at 12, and there’s no reason it’ll slow down with home games against the Pacers and the Sixers in the next few days. So, that momentum thing really works.

San Antonio 113, Denver 112

First of all, THIS:

(H/T: @blazersedge for both vids in this post.)

Woah. I just ripped my shirt off, which means I need to hurry this recap up because it’s cold as hell in here. Those who stayed up late last night were treated to another great TNT matchup (after a bunch of stinkers, those national TV games are starting to pick up, huh?) between two West Coast powerhouses. The Spurs have been incredible—like, They might be the best team in the League incredible—but the Nugs stayed with them, matching their every move as the contest went down to the wire. With seven seconds remaining, down one, San Antonio ran an in-bounds play and found Manu Ginobili—fresh off destroying the Bucks with a buzzer-beating game-winner—who put in a runner on the left side of the lane to give the Spurs the lead with four ticks remaining. (God damn, how clutch is this dude?) Anyway, the clock approaching zero, Carmelo Anthony (who scored 31 points and grabbed 9 boards total) drove to the hole and drilled a floater in the lane…FOR THE WIN! But, no. (This feels familiar.) Melo also drilled Manu, who beat the Nuggets’ forward to the spot in the paint and drew a charge as time expired. The refs put 0.4 seconds back on the clock, and the Spurs inbounded the ball cleanly, sealing it up. It’s always a tough, bound-to-be controversial move to blow the whistle—for a charge, of all things—to determine the fate of an entire game, so some disagreement on the call is inevitable. I made the video the MOTN below, so peep it and let me know what you think. Call me crazy, but it looks like Manu got there and that it was a great decision by the ref. Your thoughts?

Actual StatsTim Duncan: 28 points, 14 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal.

Moment of the Night:

Alright folks, I’m out. Judging by the amount of comments that have been pouring in, it’s been a hell of a week for pro basketball, meaning this job is easier and more exciting than ever. I don’t know if you’ve read about it, or saw it on TV, or heard about it on the radio, or talked about it with your grandmother, but there’s this game on ESPN tonight that you should probably check out. I’d recommend looking it up on the Internets if you haven’t been paying attention—you won’t be disappointed. (Google “basketball” or something.) But for real, enjoy the fun, SLAM Fam. See ya Monday.

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  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Oh i was arguing its better to use a careers or entire seasons worth of evidence over 25 games and one playoff series. That was about whether or not Durant was a max player

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @ShadiestBen, AllenP, nbk, Lz, Jukai, T-Money and others: I got love for all y’all but I need to know…how the hell do you guys manage to comment on here so much? I mean, don’t y’all got jobs or something?? I’m not just talking about the quantity but the quality of the comments. Anyways, bless y’all, for I may not have the time to get in like y’all do, but you do make it an intersting read everday on the Post Up.

  • JTaylor21

    I don’t care what hardwoodparoxysm.com said. What manu did on that play was a travel, no doubt about it. I was cool with the nice step back but it was when he saw that he didn’t create much seperation from a taller defender and was going to get his shot sent to the third row, he decided to jump backwards therefore creating space for the GW shot. I give him props on the shot but dude traveled all the way from the ill mill to chicago with that one.

  • http://www.slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    I’m sure different players have higher PER than him in respective weeks, but for as long as I have been following it this year he has been first or second (usually with Kobe or Dirk flip floppin). That’s a good point, i’m just using the stat to show how effective he is, if his PER was sixth and D Will was first i would still be saying CP3 was the best PG.

  • http://www.slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    And that was with me as well lol.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    @ShadiestBen: After looking at those stats I might have to change my view on them as shooters. Will pay more attention to Paul’s shooting in the future. But I have to add that my naked eye tells me I would rather have Deron shooting a jumshot than Paul. I might be wrong though, the stats are indeed impressive.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    @Enigmatic, I’m actually working as I comment. Got a great job with a lot of flexibility.

  • Scott

    I just pray that Paul’s injuries don’t ruin his career like Roy.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    I definitely respect your opinion Ben, and I would more then likely agree with you if Paul was still healthy

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    @Enigmatic: To answer your time question. If you pay attention to my commenting habits (I don’t expect you to) you will see that I have long periods where I don’t comment at all or only comment very briefly in the evening or during lunch, this is when my workload – most of the time unfortunately – is big. This last week I have been commenting a lot, because we are closing down the year (today is my last working day juhuuuu!) and I have already tied up all the loose ends so I have had a lot of time on my hands to comment. I can’t speak about the other guys except for Eboy who I am sure is in some type of confinement where the only site he can access is SLAM (I am joking Eboy no need to bring out the muskedonner).

  • http://www.slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    Enigmatic
    I live in England and go to college, but its only for 3-4 hours a day, and work limited hours coaching basketball. Right now its about 20 to 7 in the evening so I can comment away.
    nbk – Thanks, I’m hopin CP gets back to full health before the end of this season.
    LZ – CP has always been great from mid range, but this year he had added the 3 and has been phenomenal. The reason he is overlooked as a shooter is because he doesn’t actually shoot that much.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I have a very flexible job, thank the Lord. Sometimes I’m too busy to even open the site, but most of the time, I have enough autonomy to do my work and be on here.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    That is cool Shady Ben. I knew CP was crisp from midrange and have never doubted that – my point was that Deron had better range meaning long range, to counter Jukai stating the opposite. I have only seen about 2-3 NO games this year (including the one against the Heat where CP played great but barely shot the ball) so hadn’t realized that he have added the 3 to his aresenal. Like I said I’ll take a good look when watching Paul shoot in the future and looking at the stats my assesment about Deron as the better shooter could be wrong. I’ll draw my conclusion after watching some mroe games.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Thanks all for the feedback. Making a mental note to look for another job with more flexibility! LOL, no in reality I’m actually trying to get into the Law Enforcement field so, won’t be any time for Slam if that happens.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Btw I would like to add that is has been pleasure discussing BBall on here for the last period. Thanks to all of you. I had almost quit commenting on SLAM because of all the name and ‘hater’ calling and certain content-producing elements. But it seems that the standard of the discussion has improved vastly lately. I guess most of the infants has finally found out that playing with themselves is more fun than writing ‘hater’ and homophobic sentiments in a comment section.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Lz – I really think it coincides with all the teens on here going back to school.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t think it’s a function of Deron being “better” from mid range or long distance. they are about the same. Deron just shoots more jumpers, and is more effective, in my opinion, shooting them off the bounce as well as a set shooter. CP is good as a set shooter from anywhere and pretty good on pull ups, but I think Deron’s toolbox has more tools.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    wow – Miami v NY – NOH v UT – PHX v Dal, tonight is going to be a good night

  • http://www.slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    CP3 is a lot better shooter off the bounce than off the catch. He doesn’t really catch and shoot anyway, well he never does (maybe 1 or 2 a game max). Don’t know how you can feel D Will is a better shooter Allen, he takes more but makes them at a lower rate. His full speed pull-up is great how ever. CP3 doesn’t really shoot that shot, he’s more of a yo yo dribble pull up shooter, or he gets into the lane and fades back.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Once again I agree Allen your last post is on point. As an example; Chris doesn’t have any move that leads to a jumpshot that comes even close to being as potent as Deron’s crossover to pull up jumper move. Deron can get and hit that shot from deep against anybody in the L.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    @Enigmatic – I will not sit here while you call out my crew. I challenge you to a fish-off, except I don’t know how to fish so I’ll bring a speargun.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Deron Williams has the best stepback in the whole league. Thats for certain, nobody creates as much space. I’m not saying who is a better shooter cuz that fluctuates game to game really, but that stepback Deron has is one of the premier “go-to” moves in the whole league.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ben
    Maybe you’re right, when I think about it. But, the move LZ describes, the move that sets up a jumper as the preferred shot, I don’t see it from Paul. I see him taking the jumper when it’s absolutely the shot he has to take.
    And look, I understand that for a lot of people, that’s the PREFERRED way to play point guard. I really appreciate that mindset.
    I just don’t prefer those types of point guards. I like point guards who hit mid range shots. (I LOVED Sam Cassell’s game.) I like point guards who rock a defender to sleep then J him. That’s just me and what I value, and what I think is important. I don’t like point guards who do all that probing dribbling thing that Nash and Paul specialize in, but for some folks that’s beautiful basketball.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    To start a new topic and get you guys opinion; On one hand I believe that the Knicks would be worse of trading for Melo (assuming that Chandler, Gallo and others would be part of the deal). Yes, Melo and Amare would be a deadly combo on O in that system but having 2/3 of your frontline defensively challenged (Amare although improved is still below average) will not be good for the teams overall ability to challenge for a title. On the other hand history has shown that normally it is a good deal to trade for a superstar giving up several good players (The Barkley to Suns trade comes to mind, defensively challenged stud forward traded for 3 good not great players kind of the same scenrario as the ones being suggested for Melo in the media). Thoughts?

  • http://www.slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    I would argue Paul Pierce has the best step back jumper in the L. He has made that move countless times in the clutch.

  • http://www.slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    Allen
    Yeah I see what you mean, for CP3 in most cases the jumper or any shot for him is his last option. It shows you how great he is that he’s still getting 16 a game playing that way, on only 10 shots a game.
    I see what you mean about styles of play too, sometimes I feel like the Rondo’s, Nash’s, CP’s (primarily pass first) guards shouldn’t always be compared with the Derons, Rose’s and Westbrook’s (who are a lot more aggressive looking for their shot.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    @LZ – I don’t think NYK should gut their role players for Carmelo, and I don’t think Denver would let them either, it has to be a three team trade and that opens up a pandora’s box of possibilities.

    @Ben – I like Pierces every shot, he just has the best footwork IMO of any wing, and can make almost any move look like a deliberate stepback/spacemaker. idk to me its not like a deliberate move its more of a counter move from paul pierce, a lot like how Melo scores now, just does a counter to whatever the defense attempts.

  • http://www.slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    I don’t want Wilson Chandler to be traded, or Raymond Felton. If the Nuggets wanted Gallo, Chandler and Felton for Melo, that would be a tough call to make (just speaking for me personally).

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    I doubt Denver wants a point guard. They have Chauncee and Ty Lawson. I have read they would ask for Chandler, Randolph, Fields, atleast 1 first round pick, Eddy Curry’s contract and possibly Tony Douglas (although that is considering they get what they want and include JR Smith or Kenyon in the deal)

  • JTaylor21

    Lz, I think that if the knicks played in the WC along with Melo they would probably make the WCF and take the lakers to 7gms and might even make it to the finals but in the east with great defensive minded teams like the celtics, mia, and orl they would have a hard-time beating those teams and getting to the finals like the 93 suns did. At the end of the day in the playoffs, you’re going to have to make stops down the stretch to win games.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Felton HAS to stay. He is a perfect PG for NYK; Tough, talented, unselfish, consitent. I many ways he reminds me of when Derek Harper was manning the fort for the Knicks. Although the playing style of those two Knicks teams couldn’t be further apart.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    JTaylor don’t get crazy son. LAL is not getting beat by any team that can’t play defense, or even play a 7 footer.

  • http://www.slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    Jtaylor – If Dallas and San An were in the East one of them (at least) would likely make the ECF. The West is still (slightly) tougher. Top to bottom the West is way tougher.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Anton – despite living in a state where some people literally fish or die…I’ve never been fishing in my life…how ’bout darts??

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I’m very skilled with a rod. Not a fishing rod however.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I would make the trade NBK suggested in a heartbeat. I wouldn’t trade both Gallo and Chandler, and if I had a choice, I’d rather trade Gallo than Chandler because if Melo comes, Gallo has to slide to the four, and a frontline of Melo, Gallo and Amare is the worst defensive frontline in the NBA without a doubt. It’s a beast offensively, but defensively, you can’t win games like that.
    Chandler can slide to the two, and the Knicks can look for a decent big if they keep him.
    I think Melo and Amare together on defense is bad, but if you get three other players can defend, with the Suns pace and style, they can still be dangerous. The Suns offense is a part of their defense, and as long as the majority of the players on the floor for them can play defense, they should be a serious threat. Once you get three or four players who can’t defend, and aren’t very good offensive players on the floor then it’s a problem.
    I just realized I called the Knicks the “Suns.” My bad. I don’t feel like changing it though.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    The problem is though, if NYK wants to MAX out anyone they will have to renounce their rights to Chandler next summer. Gallo still on that rookie pay scale

  • JTaylor21

    Nbk, I said might, just imagine if Melo and Amare get hot at the same time, it’s lights out for any team (remember both amare and melo had a great gms vs La in the playoffs before). @shadiestben, Dal maybe might make it to the ECF but SA making it is highly unlikely. I just don’t see either team beating Mia, Bos, or Orl in a 7 gms series.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Like NBK said it probably have to be a 3-way deal. It is imperative that they hold onto either Gallo or Chandler imo. After wathing Knicks-Celts I actually don’t think the Knicks are that far from being a contender in a year or two with the right personnel moves. However I think they would have a better chance with a more conventional defensive system instead of Mike’s circus. They still need at least on good defensive big but I kind of like the make up of their roster; Chandler, Gallo, Fields, Felton, Douglas, Amare, Douglas are nice players with what seems like a winning mentality, even Turiaf and TimoRussian have a pretty good attitude although limited skills.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    just imagine, Wilson Chandler guarding Pau Gasol.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Wouldn’t the best move for the Knicks be to stand pat, wait until the offseason and sign Melo outright? I mean, it’s pretty obvious he wants to be in NY, they’ll have the money to sign him as an FA in the offseason, and this way they don’t give up any of their guys.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Seriously, you can’t be a serious contender if you ask Wilson Chandler to guard the opposing teams best post player.
    That move by D’Antoni made me wince, not because it was stupid, but because of what it said about Amare’s post defense. Damn son, it’s really that bad?
    Amare murdered Pau on offense once he started going to the rim last year. But, I wonder how Melo and Amare would work together on a team. Would Melo crash the offensive boards? Would Amare? that would be the best way for them to abuse teams, but owuld either of them do it?

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    @Enigmatic I think the Knicks shouldn’t trade for Melo that’s for certain. I wouldn’t be opposed to Landry Fields and Anthony Randolph for OJ Mayo though, might as well capitalize on Fields success while it lasts. D’Antoni’s system always makes guys look great, FE look at every single Knick that is in the rotation except Amar’e who is having literally the same year he has always had in D’Antoni’s system except he’s gettin 4 more shots a game

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Ultimately I think the biggest question concerning the Knicks though is…can they be a legitimate championship contender with O’Antoni as the coach? And if not, who do they get?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Chandler guarding KG was just a weird thing to happen on a basketball-court. I am not a fan of Mike and his circus ways. Kind of liked it in Phoenix but even nwith Felton playing great that system is not the same without Nash. I personally think that the only board(s) Amare or Melo would be focusing on freequently would be the scoreboard to see who is leading the team in scoring.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    Allen you didn’t realize how bad Amar’e was on defense when what 3 people had the best games of their career on him? Muhammad, Griffin, Love – Griffin had the best game of any rookie in 25 years on Amar’e.

  • Scott

    Just wait till after the season to sign Melo. Why trade for him when he wants to play for New York? Just wait a few months and Anthony will be in New York this summer.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I knew he was bad, but so bad that they have to guard KG with Wilson Chandler in the cluth?
    That’s an entirely different level bad. That’s Steve Nash bad…
    Yeah, I said it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh, and the reason they want to sign Melo now is because he wants an extension under the current CBA and would be PISSED, if they didn’t get him signed now. He wants his cake and he wants to eat it too, and anybody who stands in his way will be punished.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408237-bryant-vs-jordan-theres-still-no-debate-jordan-is-king nbk

    the worry is, that since their is a lockout, and Anthony would be giving up atleast 5 million dollars next season if he became a free agent to begin with that he might just sign with Denver to shore up his NBA financial future in a time when you don’t even know if there will be a season next year.

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