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Wednesday, December 29th, 2010 at 8:30 am  |  239 responses

Post Up: Over Your Head

The Spurs take down the Lakers, while Miami knocks out NY.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

First off, a huge thanks to Ben for holding it down in my absence last night. Pretty cool to see the team manager step out onto the field and pinch hit, and even cooler to see him hit a home run in his first swing. Respect.

Second, a confession: I missed the games last night. I was at Magic-Nets two nights ago, then was up all of the ensuing 10 or so hours taking care of a freelance assignment, and then needed to run around getting various ish done yesterday. Needless to say, I got home post-dinner, attempted to stay awake long enough to watch the games, and failed. Terribly. And, despite what some may think—you know, those who provide the occasional OMG how did you not mention Luis Scola had 12 rebounds?! You clearly weren’t even watching!!! comments, which are kinda my favorite and keep me on point,  so don’t let this deter you from dropping ‘em—I actually do check out all of the games (or as many as possible) and can be found browsing through League Pass on a nightly basis. But do not fear. I’ve been skimming recaps, checking out highlights, and rolling through TiVo’d action because it’s fun it’s business time. Though it’s fun business, so I don’t mind. Anyway anyway, let’s do this thing.

Boston 95, Indiana 83

So, that Celtics defense is tough. Real tough. It held the Pacers to only 83 points off 37.2 percent from the field, opening the door for Boston to cruise to the easy W. Paul Pierce led the C’s with 21, while Kevin Garnett went for 11 and 13. Their mini-road trip continues tonight in Detroit, and the countdown until the Rondo Return is officially on. They’ve won 15 of 16, a strong run that should only pick up when their point man gets back on the court.

Orlando 110, Cleveland 95

Make fun all you’d like, but few things excite me like a hungry group stepping up, ready and capable of taking down one of the pre-hyped—by themselves and the media at large—contenders. It’s why I’ve been walking around giddy about the Spurs for the past month (more on that later), and it’s why, after watching them in person Monday night, I couldn’t be more thrilled about the Magic. Bringing Hedo (9 points, 6 boards, 5 dimes) back was brilliant (or just necessary), and the ability to have Jason Richardson (12 points) or Hedo on the floor at all times, along with Gilbert Arenas (22 points, 11 dimes) to run the offense when the starters are resting—let’s just say they’re gonna be tough as hell to beat come May. The win was their fourth straight, and though they didn’t exactly take down the L’s best, it’s still four in a row for a team that’s ran only a single full practice. The Cavs did put up a fight, though the Magic’s 35-21 fourth quarter advantage busted things open during the final 12 minutes. And Orlando’s 19 three-pointers? I’m just gonna note that allowing these guys 57 points from beyond the arc is a bad idea and move along.

Miami 106, New York 98

My eyes closed as this one began, meaning I caught the first few minutes and saw just about all that needed to be seen. I realize that after the miserable first quarter, they came back and made a half-decent effort to create some competition, but the way they were dominated in the opening stanza ultimately set them too far aback. From what I’ve gathered in box scores, recaps and my own personal knowledge of the Knicks and how things tend to work with them (usually I don’t even watch or read about the Knick games, I just write what I figure took place and it’s generally pretty accurate) (I’m kidding), it seems the Heat clogged the lane, slowing down NY’s primary offensive weapon (the p-&-r), and utilized their absurd athleticism to close out potential three-point shooters, which canceled out NY’s secondary offensive weapon (the long ball). Given that they have no tertiary offensive weapon, the Knickerbockers were pretty much screwed from there. Dwyane Wade threw down 40, LeBron James (18-10-8) and Chris Bosh (18-10-4) both put up solid and eerily similar stat lines, and Zydrunas Ilgauskas went for 14 and 10 and absolutely dominated the paint early on. Amar’e Stoudemire led the Knicks with 30, and his crew will have another chance to defeat a top contender Thursday in Orlando. Good luck. (Copyright: The creepy dude in Taken.)

Chicago 90, Milwaukee 77

After a back-and-forth first two quarters, the Bulls held the Bucks to only 32 second half points, pulling ahead in the final period behind a series of Derrick Rose (18 points, 12 assists) and Carlos Boozer (24 points, 9 rebounds) pick-and-rolls. Chicago has won 11 of 13, and is picking up steam as the two names just mentioned continue to jell and gain chemistry. Hard to tell if these dudes will be able to challenge the upper-echelon of Eastern Conference squads, but as of now it looks like they’re headed in the right direction.

Toronto 84, Dallas 76

With Dirk Nowitzki (sore knee) sidelined for the first time in a long, long while, the Raptors took full advantage, earning the victory behind strong nights from Ed Davis (17 points, 12 boards), DeMar DeRozan (16 points) and Linas Kleiza (16 points). Also, props to the usually-foul prone Amir Johnson for playing 42 minutes and only picking up 4. Lastly: Get well soon, Dirk. And by “soon” I mean “Before Thursday night,” when the Mavs host the Spurs.

Denver 95, Portland 77

Still playing without Carmelo Anthony (death of a family member), the Nuggets finally stepped up, ending a three-game losing streak to take down the short-handed Blazers. (Brandon RoyJoel Przybilla and Marcus Camby were all out with injuries.) All five Denver starters managed to score in double figures, as veteran leader Chauncey Billups led the way with 18. The Nugs are in Minnesota tonight.

San Antonio 97, L.A. Lakers 82

I can’t tell if this was the official “We’re here!” moment for the Spurs, or the official “We’re in trouble!” moment for the Lakers, or both, but either way, this one should mean a lot—in one sense or another—to both franchises. The Spurs simply had their way, playing well behind Tony Parker (23 points, 3 assists) and some solid defense. They frustrated Kobe (who scored 21, was T’ed up for the third straight contest and got in George Hill’s face a couple times), and just held down the Lake Show with consistency on both ends, holding them to only 35.4 percent shooting from the floor.

So I ask y’all: “We’re here!” moment for the Spurs, or “OK, we’re in trouble!” moment for the Lakers? Both?

Actual Stats: DWade: 40 points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 block.

Moment of the Night: The Knicks might not have gotten the W, but they did accomplish the in-your-face posterization thing pretty nicely. That counts for something, right? Maybe a little? (Video via @outsidethenba.)

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  • RobbieJay

    LeBron cant pay the NBA to take that dunk footage off hahahahah& Kobe should really stop pointing at people like he’s their father, before someone breaks that finger too.

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    RobbieJay, that pointing move is another move Kobe got from the book ‘Michael Jordan for Dummies’.

  • Reflex

    It’s both, Spurs were already legit prior to the LA game, LA had a chance to redeem itself post MIA but failed. As a Lakers fan it’s concerning but luckily there are enough games between now and the p/offs for PJax to sort things otherwise it’s looking like a Spurs v Dallas WCF match up

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Lakers lost to the Spurs in a game wherer Manu & Robot combined for 11 points and 4-19 FG. It is still early and many things can change before the playoffs but there is no denying that Lakers look in trouble and Kobe lately has been looking like he lost a step.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Long live the king!
    And my main man Z..

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Thanks for the kind words and the great write-up…

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    8 for 27. Yikes

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    Yes, we’re for real, Tim and Manu were awful last night, we shoot only 28% from three but still won quite easily. Our team defense was great, if come playoffs time we can have the same type of D + our big 3 on point + our usual outside shooting, watch out. About the Lakers, i dont expect them to play this bad come in may. By the way don’t be surprise with George Hill, he’s a very good defender, he can hit the open 3′s, he can penetrate, just ask the Mavs last year.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Taken is one of the best, frantic action films of the past few years. Liam Neeson exudes (fancy word alert!) so much competent menace in that movie, i really felt he could pull that ish off. Fantastic performance by one of the best actors working. (also sad how he lost his wife)

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Lol @ “MJ for dummies”. Nice one, Lz.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Lz, yeah he did still that from Jordan, I best remember jordan doing it against danny ainge in the finals when he dropped 55 on the Suns. Kobe dit it against Rajon Rondo in 2008 and now does it all the time. It’s pretty ridiculous. Kobe started off super hot 4-5 from the field, he was shooting the ball every time he touched it. Then he went ice cold. kobe shot 8-27, rest of the lakers starters 11-30. But Pau had 9 shots I believe, that’s just not enough, bynum was 4-4, give him more shots, kobe needs to play (i hate that i’m saying this) more like Paul Pierce, who is a scorer but really lets his other teammates shine as well, just as Manu does. If Kobe keeps this up, high volume shooting, low effeciency, the lakers are going to lose alot more game. Off topic: great game by Adrian Peterson against the Eagles last night, the Eagles (my fav team) were absolutely terrible! Vick could’ve easily had 4 ints (only had 1)and he had 2 lost fumbles. Eagles really need to step it up in the playoffs. No first round bye.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    *still=steal

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    All those people thinking the Spurs are gonna vanish as the season goes on are delusional….They’re for real, and they have a very serious shot at winning it all. They’re deep, they can score in the paint or from outside, they have great defense, and they have great coaching. On top of that they’re not relying too heavily on Timmy D right now which means he should have plenty left in him for the playoffs.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KukchaKris

    I’m going with “both”. I’ll also go out on a limb, and say the Lakers will not be three-peating this year. Even their offensive execution is suspect at this time, and defensively, they’re doing a poor job of stopping penetration and guarding the paint.
    Co-sign Darksaber on “Taken”….watch that flick everytime it’s on cable..

  • MUBWAR

    Kobe should just stop shooting the ball. O h wait what else can he do? those 33 old year old knees aren’t able to drive anymore. Well at least for the most part.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Good call. People can’t win titles in December but they can definitely lose them… Jesus.

  • namik

    So Michael Jordan invented both the “fist pump post game winner” AND “the finger in another guys face while fighting”?? You mean no one prior or post that thought of that all by their lonesome? Dude was great and Kobe copies him but get off his jock already. On that note though, Kobe really needs to stop acting hard when he’s shooting a sub 30% clip. It’s just embarrassing. The Spurs are legit, but the Lakers aren’t playing their game either. Usually Phil can sort these things out so I’m not going to press the panic button just yet. Pau really needs to demand the ball now.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Since nobody else has said anything about it yet, I will… Don’t jump, LeBron.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Bryan Crawford : “that dunk wasn’t even that serious.” “LOL they still lost the game who cares about some dumb dunk” “Lebron is the greatest of all time , everyone gets dunked on sometimes” “He’s still first team all defense” “Amare’ is taller” did I miss any excuses/justifications?

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Namik, don’t forget Jordan also invented the ‘stick-tongue-out-while-balling’ and ‘jump-onto-the-scoreboard-to celebrate-championship’. Not sure whether you where referring to me or Jahmai, but in case it was me; I made a joke, no need to get all defensive about it. If you feel like crying go watch Titanic.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    You forgot, “Kobe sucks!”. But I think you nailed them all, LOL.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The two Bryan’s are embarrisingly stupid and I got love for both. Shia, the Lakers and your Knicks suck. Stop making excuses. You soind like a dumb guy. Crawford, I’m convinced that your obsession with Lebron is unhealthy. That’s real talk. My past Lobe hate was kind of show/0ver the top for my Eboy character. Im not convinced you dont have Lebron voodoo dolls and sh$t like that. Perhaps your two names being spelled the same isn’t just a coincidence.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Taken was a vicious movie. I loved it.
    I said last.night that the Spurs couldn’t handle bynum and gasol but lobe and the lakers refused to force it inside. It was crazy frustrating. Even the scrubs force jumpers instead of feeding the post.

  • Mvp23100

    @Eboy
    Don’t mind him he’s mad his bulls won’t make it out the first round

  • http://Www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Taken was dope but could’ve been so much better. I felt like the ending was rushed. You gonna tell me he’s gonna (SPOILER ALERT) torture “good luck” dude and leave him to die but he’s only gonna shoot the guys that actually sold and bought his daughter?
    Granted, he was torturing dude for information and all, but after all that badassery, a simple gunshot to the forehead of the last dude was so unsatisfying.
    Yes, I just used the word “badassery”.
    Oh well, I’ll be on here later discussing actual basketball, time to get ready for work!

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    The Knicks don’t suck, but they’re definitely not great. I am aware of our standing as a middle rung team. As for the Lakers, I remember this conversation being had last year, saying they wouldn’t repeat, they look awful, they suck etc. It happens every year. This is classic Phil Jackson. He gets his team to the title then lays off and lets them f*ck the regular season and when they’re beaten up enough they look to him for the answer and start doing it his way again. The real issue is Derek Fisher, AGAIN. He would get torched by Chris Duhon at this point. If we’re still having this conversation in May, I’ll concede. Until then? The Lakers are the champs until they’re not anymore.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’ll throw you under that bridge when we get to it, MVP23100.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lebron got dunked on by Amare. That s like getting dunked on by Blake. No shame. No excuse just real talk. You know what else is real talk? The Heat are smashing people right now including playoff teams “they don’t want to see in the first round.”

  • Mvp23100

    Is it fair to say 24 is on the decline his shot selection and fg pct in some of these losses is horrible He looks a step slower especially against solid defenders and nobodys worried about gasoft or that flimsy bench laker groupies you have problems

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    I know Dallas was missing Dirk, but Tdot was missing 4 of 5 starters and relying on a gimpy Bayless to run the team. That was UHHHGLY.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Nice taking a shot at me Allen. Maybe you watched a different game, I wouldn’t say we got smashed. But that’s typical of you, can’t credit a team for what they are. The way you talk about the Knicks they might as well be the Clippers. Ridiculous.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allen, you lost me with the second half of your comment, and they still haven’t beaten Boston yet. Real talk…

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Mvp23100, Kobe is averaging less than 18 ppg over the last 5 games. The season is long and there is plenty of time for him to find his game again, but right now I agree he looks to have lost a step. Especially when matched up with Wade/James in the Heat game. G. Hill also took his cookies multiple times last night.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The last part was an allusion to Bryan’s previous claim aboutnhis Knicks. Boston is the best.in the east and I still don’t know miami can beat them. But the spurs.and mags are the best in the west and they ain’t winning with smoke and mirrors. Miami is playing beautiful balanced ball right now the only issues are.size and depth against boston. They are second best in the east right?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kobe looked fine against.the heat on offense. He was passing but his teammates especially pay weren’t scoring. He has been gettin smoke on defense for a while now.

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Allenp he might have been looking fine on O against Heat (I don’t really agree, except for finding the open man pretty well he really didn’t do anything well imo but let’s just agree to disagree on this one), but wouldn’t the Kobe of old had taken over the game?

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    I mean; fine is not exactly cutting it in that kind of statement game right?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Yes, Miami is 2nd in the East and they really don’t have any more “tough” games or teams with winning records until the second week in January when they play the Nuggets and the Bulls.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    You’ve gotten increasingly pompous since you could add slamonline to your resume. I think I preferred when you acted aloof and ignored me rather than this lame sh*t. Remember when you said the Knicks only beat bad teams? Meanwhile we’ve beaten Chicago twice, OKC, NO, and Denver. Played Boston to the last minute and last night made a nice comeback against the Heat. No you’re right we’re still bottom feeders and it’s not like there’s room to improve! We only have 6 months left in the season.With that much time I’m sure we will just get worse. Come May without improving and reverting back to the cellar dwelling days I’m sure whoever we play is going to feast on us. Stick to the rhetorical BS dude, in the real world basketball is more than just waxing poetic about the best players of the 90′s. It involves actual games and although we might not win them all we’ve pretty much been in every game over the last month or so. Which is somehting that couldn’t be said over the last ten years. Say what you want, you’re not killing my joy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Miami is 2nd in the East right now, but keep an eye on Orlando…if thier roster starts to click they could be very dangerous.

  • Stepfan

    Two statement games the Lakers have lost, but this team is too good to fall apart and they have to good of a coach to let that happen. Great game last night. Amare thank you for the late Christmas gift by dunking on Lebron. lol Lakers and Boston in the Finals. Boston take it 4-2.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    It seems that Allen has begun to do what the other Miami bandwagoners do and what the lone Heat fan does all the time, talk ish now that they’re winning. When they struggled early, it was crickets. But clearly, going on a winning streak against sub-par teams and then knocking off the Lakers on Christmas inspires all sorts of bravado.
    Guys named Bryan who spell it with a “Y” FTW.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Yeah, Kobe showed his ass last night. That doesn’t mean he has lost a step. His statistical output against the Heat was slightly better than Wade’s. People are having this conversation every year. The Spurs didn’t knock the Lakeshow out of the West last night, they beat them in the first of 4 regular season games. One night last year Kobe scored 9 points in a loss in San An. Last year the Lakers also won the title.
    Boston are the best in the L right now, followed by Dallas (when healthy). The Spurs are great, but they are not as good as their record. Orlando dominated them last week, a night or two after Dallas had come into the Amway Center and won.
    I watched the 1st Q of the Heat game, saw that the Heat were playing great basketball as they have been lately, and looked for something more competetive. Miami are clearly the 2nd best in the East, ahead of ORL. That doesn’t mean it will stay that way. Miami barely looked competetive in their two losses to Boston.

  • http://brimartin13@gmail.com Brion

    @Enigmatic, he had to shoot the fat dude at the end, cuz dude had his daughter at knife point. but ya great movie.

  • JTaylor21

    How was it crickets when there were over 200+ comments on every mia heat story on this site during their early season struggles? It seems like the haters are the ones pulling the disappearing acts as soon as mia start winning games. Also anyone that says that Mia barely looked competitive in those two games vs Bos must have had his stevie wonder shades on.

  • Mvp23100

    I don’t know about everyone else but at the beginning of the season I said by dec Jan the heat will be running through the league I’ve seen bron win 60+ by his lonesome
    @Lz
    Your right the season is long but that may not necessarily be a good thing for Kobe

  • Mike from Spain

    Man, my Lakers suck… what happened to them? Old age? Those Spurs are just as elderly!

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Down 12-15 @ home for large stretches of 1st, 2nd & 3rd Q? Thats not very competitive. Losing by 8 on the road in a game you never looked like winning? Thats barely competitive. But then look who im debating with. Your the definition of bias on this site. I mentioned how great MIA have been lately, thought that would be enough for people like you not to jump all over true statements that don’t make their team/player look great.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    False allegation, Allenp has been defending the Heat since day one of the new season, he, E, Philo and some others have been here fending off the Bronhaters for a while on this count BC, you are gradping at straws.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Lakers offense needs to be run through Pau Gasol. I’m sorry but he is a more effective offensive player throughout the course of an entire game then Kobe.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Disappearing act? Who cares to talk about Miami beating up on mediocre teams? Oh yeah, I forgot. And before you bring it up, because I know you will, JT21, yes, LA is playing poorly and so is Kobe. And Miami beat the Lakers on Christmas. There, it’s been said. Moving on…

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Mvp23100, I agree. Not necessarily a good thing at all. I am no Kobe-fanboy (quite the contrary actually) but he can not be discounted because of a few bad games. Hence me repeating that he looks old/like he lost a step but that the season is long and everything can still change many times. Anyways we agree. Move along.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    And to be clear, in AllBalls Power rankings I would have:
    1 Boston (beat Miami twice)
    2 Dallas (beat Miami twice)
    3 Miami (looked great against everyone not ^^^
    4 Orlando
    5 San An

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    People have been defending Bron, the defence of the Heat in unison only started recently. Gotta agree with B Crawford on that.

  • JTaylor21

    Come on now son, anyone who watched both games saw that Mia was in those games and was two possesions down at times in the fourth quarter. Now if the celtics had their starters on the bench in the 4th qtr, you would be making a great point but Bos had their start 5 out there to finish the game. There’s no bias involved, I’m just stating facts which seems to be something you’re having a hard time doing.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Grasping at straws? I only stated the obvious. There was no sort of bravado from anyone when Miami struggled early and people like myself were clowning them. There was only defense from their supporters, which is markedly different. I haven’t said anything about Miami of late because even though they’ve made obvious strides and improvements in certain areas since the beginning of the season, they still aren’t playing anybody and I could care less about them beating up on crappy squads. Of course that’s not their fault and they have to play whoever is in front of them, but I expect better of you, Dark.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Pau Gasol took TWO shot attempts in the second half last night. TWO – Kobe took 13

  • JTaylor21

    BCrawford, like I said before I could care less if Mia doesn’t win a single game vs a top team for the rest of the season. It wouldn’t change the fact that I think this team if they play to their potential can do some serious damage in the playoffs. People act like this is the BCS or something, where you must win games vs top teams to have a chance at winning a chip. Clevland won a good amount of their games vs top teams last year and look where that got em.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    The closest Miami got in two games was a couple of possessions a couple of times? Then I wouldn’t be too worried if I were Boston. I’ve got no bias here, Miami have looked downright scary at times. However, on the court both Dallas and Boston have matched up with them extremely well, and both have beat them twice. Why it’s important is because Boston will likely play CHI/ATL in the East Semi’s, whilst MIA/ORL will battle it out on the other side. To win the East we all know eventually your going through the Celtics. Also, they change the seedings after the 1st round now, before anyone gets into it with me about how CHI will be the 3rd seed for winning division.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    There were a few people who were talking about not jumping to any conclusions this early in the season. And Allen was one of them

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I am talking sh*t? Y’all could have never lined up across from me on the line if this is considered sh*t talking.
    Check the clips Bryan I have always been pompous. I just don’t insult people. Why would I be gassed that I write occasional article on Slam’s website? You do realize I write for a newspaper for a living right? It is not like seeing my name in print is some big deal. That was old news when I was a sophmore in collegedoing.internships. here is the deal. I always think I.am right. Always. Even if we agree to disagree I think I am right. Finally Knicks fans you in particular said that no contender wants to see.the Knicks in the first round. I think that is ridiculous. The Knicks play no defense have a short rotation and will be.in the playoffs for the.first tme. Why would a.true contender fear them? It has nothing to do with being bottom feeders it has to do with being true.threats which Knicks fans said.the team is.
    Miami looks good. Since I said they would turn it around I am happy to be right.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    @ allball – how in the world is Orlando over San Antonio? And why is Miami over San Antonio for that matter?

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Orlando beat down San An with their new look roster, Miami just look better to me when watching. I still don’t think the Spurs are as good as their record, and will be the 2rd best in the West come the play-offs.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    3rd best*

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    All things considered, everyone that comments here thinks that they’re always right.

  • BillyDWill.I.am

    Anyone who says Taken was a good movie is a complete moron. You’re gonna tell me one 55 year old man can simply hear a guy’s voice over the phone for 15 seconds, fly to a different continent and kick everyone’s arse, while retrieving his daughter unharmed? Really? THAT is a good movie? Oh yea, screw the Knick haters. They are a work in progress. Lakers won’t suck in May (unfortunately). The Heat still can’t beat the best in the league.

  • JTaylor21

    The playoffs is all about matchups not about whether one team beat the other during the RS. It was the reason why Clev lost to Orl (DHow/Turk) then Bos (KG/Rondo), the reason why Orl beat Bos the year earlier (no KG) and the reason why Bos beat team last year (KG), it’s the reason why the nuggets no matter how great Melo played never beat the lakers (too much size) and the reason why Bos lost Gm 7 in La last year (no Perk). Teams that create the most matchups problems are the ones that have won chips since day one and it seems like so few people realize this.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    So then you should know how badly MIA has matched up with BOS this year? Wade hasn’t been able to contain Allen, and lets be honest Rondo has tortured Miami twice (and put Bosh on a poster once).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Suspension of disbelief. That is all I can say.

  • http://brimartin13@gmail.com Brion

    @BillyDwill,Dude was in the CIA for 20yrs,and had a particular set of skills buddy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    That’s ridiculous, It’s not the ONLY reason LA beat Boston in game 7. Don’t forget LA won 3 games before game 7. Maybe if Perkins played, LA would’ve blown out Boston, how the hell would you know, they never played, maybe perkins would’ve played like crap, everything would change.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If Perkins played Kobe would not have grabbed 19 rebounds, that much is true

  • Mvp23100

    Come on now In reality the I don’t think anyone except Darksaber would bet their bottom dollar the MAVS Can beat the heat if they met in the finals Dallas gets the same results every year because their leader when it counts Is SOFT and the heat games vs bos were competitive at the end of the game take first game wade was just coming back and the second game we were still building chemistry and wade struggled again celts are a test but I’m not worried a bit

  • JTaylor21

    Don’t sit here and act like DWade can’t give more effort and make it harder for Ray if he wants to. DWade wins that matchup easily if he puts his mind to it, CB1 has dominated KG in the past with the raps, chalmers can make it harder on Rondo than arroyo can and Bron domiantes PP when he’s on. There’s a reason why Mia was STILL in both games even with DWade stinking up the joint. @Jahmai, do you think that the lakers and gasol would have dominated the paint if the best post defender in the L had played?

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Dallas are a lot different this year than they have been. Thats evident to anyone that has watched them a lot. They have consistently played & beaten good teams. Their loss to the Raps yday was bad, but Dirk was out, they had just come off a great road win. Just an ultimate trap game. I wouldn’t judge Dallas by their reputation, but by their stellar play this year.

  • Mvp23100

    @AllBall247
    You running out of victories to hang your hat on the way the heat have been killing you seem to know basketball so how can you not acknowledge That was a brand new Mia squad playing a 3yr championship contender

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Wade is a great on ball defender when he wants to be, but he’s not great at chasing people around screens. You continue to ignore the evidence we’ve seen this year, i’ll contintue to base my opinions on what has happened (therefore we know it can happen again).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dirk is no longer soft. He is finesse. Boston is still better than miami right now. But they are old and could have.injuries. if miami plays stirs.best they could beat boston but the celtics rarely let a team play their best. That is why they are so good.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Jtaylor, probably not but that’s the thing, we’ll never know but you’re assuming perkins in the reason why LA won and that’s ridiculous. I know matchups are the most important thing in the playoffs but like I said LA won 3 games in the Finals when perk played, and BTW bynum was hobbling around, so if he was healthy, it probably would’ve been easier for LA.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    First – Ray Allen is not going to be the reason a team wins or loses a playoff series. Maybe a game but not a series.
    _____________________________________________

    Second – Dallas has to prove they can win the in the postseason. Last time they had the best record in the league they lost in the first round.

  • JTaylor21

    If wade struggles when he’s asked to chase around ray why not put chalmers on him to do all the running since his offense is not really needed on the other end and he’s actually a slightly better on-ball defender than wade. Have wade on rondo like the lakers do with kobe which allows him to at least have his legs. I’m not saying that Mia would definitely beat Bos in the playoffs but if they play with the same increased intensity and effort they have displayed lately they have more than a fighting chance.

  • JTaylor21

    @Jahmai, I get your point but if Perk was just another player even just a role player, you would be right but dude is the NBA’s best post defender. I would say that he would have made a noticeable difference had he played that gm 7.

  • BillyDWill.I.am

    @Brion, Yeeaa, because THAT changes everything. CIA=Superhuman….Anyway, if the Heat get past Boston in the playoffs they WILL (unforunately) win the title. Lakeshow won’t beat em.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    As usual, Allenp can see past any biases and is spot on with the analysis.
    nbk – Lets not be silly, that Dallas team is totally different to this Dallas team. So that point is irrelevant. The rotation players on that squad (over 10 minutes per game) were Dirk, Josh Howard, JET, Stackhouse, Harris, Dampier, Devean George, Greg Buckner, Anthony Johnson & Austin Croshere.
    This year its Dirk, JET, Caron Butler, Tyson Chandler, Marion, J Kidd, Barea, Deshawn Stevenson & Haywood.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    In a 7-game series, the home team always has the advantage and should almost always get the benefit of the doubt for being able to win on their home court.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m not saying Dallas isn’t a contender, but talking about what they are doing in the regular season like it automatically means they will have success in the post season isn’t right either. I actually have Dirk as the MVP right now, but its 30 games in, and a playoff series is a lot different then a regular season game. Like for instance using there wins over Miami as evidence that they are “better” when after the same type of regular season in 2007 they got smashed by Miami after winning both regular season meetings and the only two meetings of the season

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    winning the first two meetings of the series*

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    I never said their winning now automatically means success, I just said they are a different team now with Chandler and Haywood, and are more suited for the post season.
    Then I replied to you by saying that this team is totally different to the 06 team, so your point is irrelevant.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    I only used Dallas two wins over Miami this year as reason why I have them ranked better right now. The reason I have Boston as better now and in the post season is because they match up well AND have beating them twice.
    Regardless, to me MIA are the third best team in the L right now, playing better week by week. Not a bad place to be with a long time to go.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Never said they weren’t. Just saying, there is nothing that has happened so far this season that even hints at how the playoffs will turn out. Or how good these teams really are when they are being strictly game planned for. Because like today, in 2007 you could have said all of those things about the 04 team, and the 02 team, and so on.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Also I would like to point out Dallas has kept their streak of overpaying 7 footers alive. You can add the ghost of Brandon Haywood to the list of Erick Dampier, Shawn Bradley, Dasagna Diop, Raef Lafrenz, ect.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Nice lil win for the spurs. ……. Lobe got his cookies took ALOT. ………… Props to gary neal for continuing to shoot those open threes.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Thats a good point, so all this Lakers are done talk is a bit premature as well don’t you think? Seeing as nothing so far has let us know how the play-offs will turn out.
    Yep, they overpaid for him, but they will need him come play-off time. All the games i have watched against the elite teams tell me that Dallas are for real this year. They’ve already gone into San An and won.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    BillyDWill – anyone who sits down and watches a Hollywood action movie, and decides whether it’s good or not based on how realistic it is, is a moron.
    And yeah, I would say people in CIA’s SOG are pretty badass. Most of the things they do we’ll never know about, but read about the Battle of Qala-i-Jangi sometime and you tell me if you’d ever have the balls to stay and fight like Johnny Spann did.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    @AllBall – Yeah I have LA steamrolling through the playoffs again (I think all this talk about any teams long term chances is absurd there is still 50+ games left), maybe meeting some issues with whoever they meet in the second round BUT I think Dallas and San Antonio will get a major obstacle first round series, then will either get each other or OKC in the second, and will be completely gassed come LA in the Conference Finals.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    steamrolling through the west****

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    I’m not sure 1 win vs. SA merits placing a 20-12 team above a 27-4 team…I mean, the Clippers beat the Spurs too, does that ean they’re better? I can get the argument for Miami, although I disagree, but Orlando better than SA? I’m thinking no.

  • Felix

    Kobe doesn’t look washed up to me… more like complacent or disinterested (maybe hard for some fans to understand but these dudes play so many games, especially dudes like Kobe that are in the playoffs every year- its gotta be hard to stay focused) he basically almost admitted this with his “we always suck on Christmas” quote… maybe he’s distracted… completely unrelated note- Ron Artest is my hero…though he’s not playing his best ball right now

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    How can you even count that as their record? They have completely changed their core. Since acquiring new guys & those guys getting acclimated they beat SA then Boston in 3 nights. Its likely that no other team will do that this year. The reason i’m not placing them above Boston is 1, Boston should of won the game and two they were missing Rondo. Orlando decimated San An, I mean it wasn’t even close to being close.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    I just think its funny how lobe threw everyone under the bus and said they would be better. Phil said they have been pointing to this game for a long time. What was the result? Another blowout loss….. They have more than just the usual rs letdown.

  • T-Money

    1- The discussion about when X commenter started supporting Y team and whether that makes him legit is one of the most boring and futile I’ve ever read in a comments section. 2- Boston has played beautiful basketball so far but they do this EVERY YEAR. For the past 4 years (including last year when they finished 50-32) they’ve never had more than 5 losses before Xmas. They still have some stuff to figure out, integrating Perk and Delonte. Their chemistry will be tested with possibly JO, Nate, and Davis at the end of the bench when everybody comes back. 3- Knicks are who we thought they were. They have a 4 playing the 5 and a 3 playing the 4. Yeah, they’ll give point in the paint and get outrebounded every game. Amar’e was completely gassed at the end of the game.

  • Scott

    Time for the Lakers to panic.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Smiled at how Enigmatic just ethered the killjoy, aka Billywhatshisface, with that opening sentence.

  • T-Money

    E: I’m now more convinced than ever that Mike Miller needs to take all of James Jones’ minutes. Agree? I like JJ but he is so unidimensional, and it’s not like he’s a better shooter than Mike. / I also think it’s time to start Chalmers over Arroyo. I mean Carlos does absolutely nothing – good or bad, he’s invisible. / Do you think Bron should take up Howard’s back up 4 minutes?

  • BillyDWill.I.am

    Enigmatic: By your logic all Hollywood actions film are good. There’s a difference between something being fictional and something being plain ridiculous. Taken was the latter. Also, not even retired CIA officers can shoot the wife of an ally nation’s government official and get away with it. He just waltzed right out of France. The movie was trash. Period. Furthermore, I won’t debate toughness with you. You don’t know my background and therefore cannot possibly have an idea about whatever level of courage I posses. The movie terrible.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    any of my SLAM friends have any random authographed nba stuff that yal would like to get rid of? there is a hospital not too far from where i live that is full of children who know their days are numbered.. sometimes athletes come to see them but not very often.. but giving them something autographed by a pro (of any sport really) just puts such a huge smile on thier face and delight in thier hearts.. it just makes thier day yal.. so do something special and make yourself a blessing to someone else much less fortunate.. if anyone is interested just leave a comment and il get you my address somehow and deliver to these kids.. thanks

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Yeah, thats a great problem too have though (Bostons depth).

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    @T-Money – Arroyo is shooting 47% & more importantly 46% from 3 and is not turning the ball over – Miami is already the best defensive team in the league. There isn’t much more for him to do. I think Chalmers should get the important minutes now, but once Miller is acclimated I expect him to get the bulk of crunch time, important minutes with Wade and Bron

  • T-Money

    AllBall: I find depth to be overrated, especially in the playoffs where teams end up playing 7-8 guys. The Lakers have zero depth at the 4-5 but it doesn’t matter at all because their guys are Odom, Gasol and Bynum! Doc will have to make choices, the worst thing in my opinion is if he decides to play 10 guys.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Imagine how disappointing it must have been when BillyDWill found out Fantasia wasn’t realistic

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Billy – Wasn’t my logic, it was yours.
    And as a former United States Marine, I think I’ve earned the right to debate toughness and courage with anyone.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And I REALLY hope someone is just posing as c_cantrell.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Hey cantrell, I have a michael jordan signed chi sox jersey and bat. Id be more than happy to send it directly to you, instead of the unnamed hospital full of sick kids that you supposedly know. Im not asking for any kind of assurance from you, as I blindly trust all anonymous online people. Surely, there are no scammers on the internet. Your poorly written, and copy and pasted post encouraged me to donate my very valuable items. Post your address and I will send the items to you tmrw. I hope the kids like it!

  • Redirkulous Kidd

    First time poster on SLAM. Just wanted to say that the Mavs are forreal this year. Hopefully we’ll get a Spurs-Mavs WCF.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Whoa, wait, Fantasia wasn’t real????

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Well it was going to be real, and then they realized some people would get all up in arms because they couldn’t believe a mouse could orchestrate a symphony and would call it a terrible movie. So they turned it into a cartoon so that nobody would mix up a movie and real life

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Thats a good point. To me the Mavs have the perfect amount of depth, 9 guys who all contribute.

  • Redirkulous Kidd

    They have depth, but they’re also winning games with tough, interior defense. This would be unheard of with past Mavs teams.

  • itaigruss

    if d-wade doesnt hit that fade away three pointer with 1:30 to go in the game to put the heat up by 6, this post up looks very different

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    if Amar’e falls down the stairs on the way to he arena this season looks very different. lol but didnt happen

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    If Al Gore hadn’t invented the internet, this website would look very different.

  • Felix

    Orlando, Bos, Miami- two of these teams will have to meet before the eastern conference finals, so I think whoever the third team is (based on seeding) they will have the advantage of the other two basically killing each other over what might be a prolonged (say, 7 game) semifinal series… number one record in the east, regular season, means ducking one of the other two power teams… same goes for the west… Lakers are going to regret not taking the number one seed in the regular season… Bos learned last year that seeding is huge- they look like the most focused squad right now (in my opinion). Hard to consider Lakers focused, Spurs seem like they will come down to earth when either Manu or Parker inevitably gets hurt (don’t want it to happen, but neither dude has a track record of avoiding injury). Mavs have to show me they can win in the postseason (well, they don’t have to show me, Im nobody, but they have to show somebody)… so… Im predicting that whoever gets the number one seed in the east will take the chip this year… and I expect that to be either Boston or Miami…

  • Felix

    lol Enigmatic…Thank god for Al gore inventing the internet. Where else can you ride your favorite teams N%&TS, maybe threaten a stranger, or make semi- racist comments, and bid on Ron Artest’s game seven jock strap in a fifteen minute period?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Does anybody think the Lakers might try and pull off a trade before the deadline? I mean, if they keep struggling? With the exception of the Pau Gasol theft, they never really do blockbuster midseason trades, but if Orlando was compelled to do one, maybe LA too?

  • Felix

    …I heard Ron put his game seven jock on ebay with the proceeds going to fight “taint” funk…or maybe I made that up

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Enigmatic, LA has no one to give up. You can’t get something back for free. And the Pau Gasol “theft” wasn’t as one sided as it has been made out to be

  • Felix

    The Lakers will probably stand pat- but I think they should make a trade… not liking what I see from Blake so much, Fisher might need some help with the quicker points (like say, Rondo in the finals), and Kobe should be left to focus on offense. Something that gets them a backup point who can guard, and another scorer from the wing, maybe(since Ron and Barnes are defensive players)? Don’t know what assets they have to trade though- they gotta keep all their bigs

  • http://sdfjklfl.com Jukai

    Okay, STILL waiting for that apology from some people who insulted me when I said that the Heat would be better running with two guys who can play traditional point, and STILL waiting for that apology for people who insulted me when I said James Jones was going to go cold and would continue to have hot and cold stretches the entire year JUST like he did in Phoenix. And I’m STILL waiting for that apology from some people who insulted me when I said it was ridiculous to think that the best lineup for the Heat would be Wade-Jones-Lebron-Bosh because they have no anchor bigman so transitional defense is too hard and no one wants to overly control the ball at the point.
    For the record, you owe Bryan Crawford an apology too cause he agreed with me. But also for the record, that will be the only apology Crawford gets, because that’s the only time he has ever been right.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I would love to debate more.with.y’all but I am on abfield trip with.my church your group. But I will say this. The lakers have.the talent all they need is.the focus. When gasol and bynum are.galling no team in the west matches up with la. Well except possibly dallas but we will have to see.about that.

  • http://sdfjklfl.com Jukai

    Aren’t the Lakers 2-6 against teams with winning records? Remember when Crawford make a HUGE deal when the Heat were 1-7??
    Hmmmm…

  • Felix

    agree with nbk- who can they afford to give up that people actually want?

  • Felix

    they should trade Luke Walton for Chris Paul and Marcus Thornton… oh wait, it’s not 2k11 and they can’t turn trade override off…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jukai, trolling… Who would’ve thunk it? But I’ll bite… Yes, LA has just 2 wins against winning teams, but the Heat have 3. The W against Atlanta sans Joe Johnson doesn’t count. GTFOH…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Heat have beat 6 of the last 7 teams they’ve played with a winning record. What are you talking about Bryan

  • Scott

    The Heat have 7 wins against winning teams. Bryan check your facts.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I miscounted… Orlando, Utah, New Orleans, Atlanta, New York and the Lakers have winning records. Minus ATL who were without their best player, Miami has beaten 5 good teams. My bad.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Everyone read my 210 post, and lets all try to be charitable like me

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    And as I stated last week, I haven’t been paying much attention to what Miami has been doing like everyone else here has, so that’s why I misspoke. Shout out to Basketball Reference though. I should’ve checked that first.

  • Scott

    As a Boston fan I’m starting to get concerned with Miami. They seem to be putting the pieces together. Also, Chicago good be a threat if they can stay healthy and get a two guard.

  • Felix

    If I win the bidding for Ron Artest’s used jock strap, I promise I will mail to cantrell…it’s not signed, but the tru warier smell is unmistakable

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Jukai, acting like that girlfriend that always wants to be acknowledged as correct. Will whoever you are please apologize already this could go on forever

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Co-sign nbk @ 4:07. “Acknowledge me, dammit!” — Jukai

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Felix, you basically repeated what I said earlier, but you are right. 2nd and 3rd seeds in the East are going to kill each other in Semi’s, whilst 1st seed will have a tough (but far less tough) series against Atlanta or Chicago.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Felix, you basically repeated what I said earlier, but you are right. 2nd and 3rd seeds in the East are going to kill each other in Semi’s, whilst 1st seed will have a tough (but far less tough) series against Atlanta or Chicago.

  • izzo

    All your favourite teams suck!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    The Raptors also played without their main player, Andrea Bargnani. HOWEVER, the unit that they had on the floor was actually BETTER than whatever line-ups they’ve forged with Bargnani at the center spot. Ed Davis is a legitimate future All-Star at the power-forward/center spot; in 11 minutes he had something like 12 points, 10 boards, 3 blocks, and 2 steals. Crazy.
    I also found Barbosa and Bayless to run the point better than Calderon; not that Calderon is bad, but the former two are just quicker and not worse passers at all. Bayless can officially run the point guard spot–his court vision is quite good, contrary to what you’ve heard.
    The Raptors have a LOT of young, athletic talent that will make some noise in the future. Rant over.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I still have nightmares of trying to guard Bayless haha

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I have an autographed Derrick Rose jersey and an autographed Derrick Rose shirt…but they ain’t leaving my side…so, you want an autographed Steve Kerr Chicago Bulls hat? Dude signed it for me in the Venture (do they still have those?)in Elgin, Illinois right after they won the chip in ’96.

  • Michael

    @enigmatic re taken, at that point dude was cut up and even shot up i think plus the fat dude had his daughter. Besides he only tortured the other dude to get answers.

  • Felix

    My bad AllBall247, coulda cosigned and saved myself some one finger typing…

  • Pharoah

    Raptors are gonna be scary in 1-2 years. They have a great young core that could do damage soon.

  • Scott

    Toronto? I’m not seeing a very bright future for them. Toronto’s roster is one of the 5 worst in the league.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Raptors are a minimum of 3 years from even making a return to the playoffs, unless they get a transcendant player in the draft. Their personnel is an atrocious collection of contradicting strengths.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Tucker Carlson…SMH.

  • Scott

    Co-sign nbk 5:12 comment

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Tarzan rest assured that I already send my signed MJ and PIP pictures as well as my Brazilian national team shirt with the personal dedication from Pelé to Cantrell. Those poor kids will be drooling with happines.

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    *Sent

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Shout out to izzo. …. Rip to ventures. ………… And teddy needs to slow his roll on ed davis

  • http://www.slamonline.com ShadiestBen

    The Raps have potential. Derozan is going to be a star, and Amir Johnson is going to be very good.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Lz, I might send my maradona signed gameball from 86 world cup

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    They have been saying that about Amir for 5 years. And Demar was supposed to be a transcendent player out of HS and that hasn’t planned out. Potential is great, building a team on it on the other hand, NO

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Yeah, it is just about curtains for c_cantrell.
    You were coming along there, too. Ah, well…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Demar DeRozan, a star?!Uhm, yeah…OK.

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Tarzan, two words: how much? A signed Maradona gameball from ’86 that is some serious stuff. Did you actually meet Diego?

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    I am with Crawford on this one. DeRozan will at best have a Vince Carter type career is my best guess. He ain’t going to lead anybody to the promised land, for all the talent and physical gifts I don’t see the BBall IQ and drive.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Nah, cantrell, you know that I am just going with the flow…
    You are one of my guys.
    Shout out to St. Jude’s.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    That ShadiestBen comment was me, and yeah Demar is going to be a star. Lz – Vince was a star for several years. Don’t know what his stat differential is but from watching you can see he has developed a whole lot since last year.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Michael – Yeah, I know. I’m just saying…after all he went through and all they put his daughter through… wouldn’t it have been more satisfying if dude had MK1 Scorpion fatality’d that one dude at the end? I mean, just rip out his damn skull.
    And I know Jay and J. said every day a star is born, but ain’t no future stars on that Toronto team. Sorry.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    We will see. Give Demar 3 years, your going to have the best 2 guard in the L.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Well thats a stretch, but he is going to be an all star at some point.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    The best part of this entire comment section was when Allenp got accused of sh*t-talking. Allenp.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Now that delusion has returned, I’m out

  • Scott

    Is Wade going to Toronto in three years?

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    AllBall, Vince was a star in the sense that the media, fans and NBA hyped him to this level because of his incredible style on the court and crazy dunks. Apart from that one run with the Raptors he has never done anything significant in the playoffs for any team. See Nets, Magic as most recent examples. Vince was/is a papertiger, more style than substance kind of player, a whole lot of talent but never had that drive that separates the good players from the real stars. If you consider every players capable of scoring 20 pts in the L a star. Then ok he was a star, but every team have like 3 of those, just not all of them that have the style Vince had/has. The real stars are the James’es, Bryants, Ginobilis, Dirks, KGs of the NBA. Not a guy who can dunk like he was on a trampolin and gets voted to a host of All-Star games because of the hype. But ok I reckon he had like 4 very good years statistically so I guess we can call him a star after all. But then again the real stars are made in the playoffs. If you look at Vince his best reg season stats are far more impressive than say Reggie Millers. But Miller was a real star, Vince not so much. He never had the juice that way.

  • Scott

    To compare Carter and DeRozan is a bit unfair to Carter. Vince is in the top 90 or so of all time. DeRozan won’t come close to being able to say that.

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    And if Demar turns into a star the way Vince did, the Raps aren’t getting close to even smelling the confetti. I just don’t see it. He might be an occasional All-Star. But that is the ceiling imo.

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Wow just checked Vince’s playoffs stats. He actually had some (at least stat-wise) impressive plyoffs series. I was wrong, my bad. He was indeed a star.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    LOL @ nbk’s comment. Also, its interesting that you all seem to know how Demar is going to develop. 13,4,2 in 32 minutes, at 21 years old. Those are not bad statistics. Wade was still at Marquette at this stage.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Lz, bidding opens at 50 gs. …. Now wheres my sharpie? Wait, they didnt have sharpies in 86. I need a pen.

  • http://brimartin13@gmail.com Brion

    Dwight Howard for Gasol and Walton.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Speaking of stats though, Demar’s points rebounds and assists statline 13.0, 3.4 and 1.7 in 32 minutes a game do not scream “FUTURE STAR TWO-GUARD!”.
    Now Eric Gordon’s 23.9, 3.2 and 4.6 in 37 minutes do.

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Tarzan I am mildly dissapointed that you were just joking.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Vince made an impact from day 1. Derozen is as close to being a star as Isiah Rider was

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Vince Carter was without a doubt, a star. But he was that from Day 1. Unless DeMar DeRozan has some sort of Tracy McGrady-ish arc to his career, he will never be a star.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    UGH boy oh boy 8-27. I’m used to Kobe shooting without giving a f*ck what happened when he shot it last time, but these misses are startin’ to sting

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Its Derozan, not Derozen. Right now yes, but he’s still on the ballot, and he’s going to continue getting better. Eric Gordon is great, and is/is going to become a star.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    OK, so Wade was still at Marquette at 21.
    Well, Kobe was averaging 22, 6 and 5 at 21.
    McGrady was averaging 26, 7 and 4 at 21.
    Looks like your boy is behind the curve if he wants to be a star.
    You know who DID have similar numbers at the age of 21 though? J.R. Smith…only he put up those numbers in TEN less minutes per game than it takes Derozan.

  • Scott

    Gordon > DeRozan and it’s not even close. Gordon is only 22 now there is a player that could be one of the top 2 or 3 two guards in the league in a few years.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Yep because the only route to becoming a star is the T-Mac/Kobe one?

  • Scott

    We all agree that Carter is a future hall of famer?

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    I agree, Gordon>Derozan. That doesn’t mean its going to stay that way. who here has actually watched Demar play more than a handful of times this season?

  • Scott

    I will be honest with you I don’t see him play that much cause Toronto is never on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I haven’t watched Demarr play as much as you all have obviously, I haven’t seen him make a play that wasn’t a dunk, but I live in South Carolina where they don’t know how to talk basketball and it’s Hater-town down here. So I’m not very sure about Derozan. I guess I’ll give Eric Gordon the nod, for I’ve seen him do more impressive things

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    I’ve watched TOR a lot on League Pass, he oozes potential, and he’s not just an athlete. He has had some games where they have ran the offense through him, in MIA he had 19 and played great, in LAL he had 20 something and played great.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    If you think Demar DerozAn is going to be a star. Then I really want to know how good you thought Iguodala was gonna be. Or still will be hahaha

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Aminu will be a better pro then Derozan

  • Scott

    Iguodala isn’t a franchise player now or ever. Andre would make a great second best player on a championship team.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    That wasn’t funny. I like Aminu, but I disagree.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Whilst we are proclaiming things, CP3 is the best player in the L. Seeing as their playing the Lakers tonight some people might actually take notice.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Tarzan – RIP Venture? Damn man I’ma pour out some St. Ide’s for them… wait, they still got St. Ide’s right???

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    aw come on now, Iguodala is a very good player, he’d be a great sidekick for a star

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    CP3 best player???? F’Real?

  • http://sdfjklfl.com Jukai

    @NBK: I’ll take that as your apology, thanks!

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Iguodala is the best 3rd option in the NBA behind Chris Bosh. except he parades as a best player on a terrible team. And Aminu will seriously be a better pro then Derozan. 40+% 3pt shooter and superior defender. And he’s longer. The only thing Derozan has on him is more looks and a better opportunity to get the experience he needs to fulfill his potential. But Aminu will see the playoffs first – also Marvin Williams > Demar Derozan

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Lz, sorry cuz, just jeffing with cantrell… ……… … Enigmatic, at least around here theres no more ventures, and I think everywhere else too. And I thought it happened like a decade ago. I could be wrong. ……. St ides high gravity ftw!

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    BlackPhan Yeah, if Nawlins were on nat’l TV ever a lot more people would think so. I know your a Laker fan so watch tonights game and give me your assessment.

  • BillyDWill.I.am

    Nbk Sooo are you a professional groupie or do u do it in your spare time?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I would comment on Marvin Williams vs. Demar Derozan but I’m not a fan of either

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    What right now? Marvin Williams is a fifth year pro, and a 2nd overall pick. He is better than Demar and he should be. Demar in his fifth year will be a lot better than Marv is now. Right now Farouq is shooting 46% from 3, but he came into the L as a guy with limited range, and know one played him honest. His % has dipped since teams have played up on him, that will continue.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Make that his sixth year, and looking at his stats, he isn’t producing more than Demar even now.

  • http://sdfjklfl.com Jukai

    I will shave my back if DeRozan becomes an all-star. Potential? What? Are we talking about the same player?
    He has zero range, limited dribble moves, unimpressive defense, and for a guy who has limitless hops, two and a half rebounds a game is atrocious.
    And I’m sure I’ve only watched the games where Calderon and Jack and Bayless were hogging the ball, but I’ve never seen DeMar show any sign of being able to control tempo or pass the ball. He averages less than an two dimes a game, I never seen him find anyone and his attacks to the basket are so predictable that he doesn’t grab a double team so he can’t even create opportunities that way.
    Sure, there are ways to be an all-star outside of T-Mac and Kobe: Joe Johnson and Michael Redd REALLY took off around 22-23… but that’s honestly the absolute ceiling I see for Demar: a more athletic Michael Redd or a Joe Johnson with less court vision. And he wont even be THAT unless he massively improves on his range and gets more dribble moves so that he can score without an open lane to the basket.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    2.5 rebounds per game??

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    He is solid from mid-range, so that kind of debunks the zero range thing. His defense is also solid, and he is versatile on that end of the floor. He’s averaging 3 1/2 on the year, but I will give you that. He doesn’t have many dribble moves, but he can get buy his man, and yeah his passing needs to improve.
    He still has massive potential, and he is a totally different player to michael redd or joe johnson.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    And he hit a dagger of a three last night against Dallas. Normally he misses though, 10 percent on the year from 3.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    And I really hope this KG knee injury isn’t serious.

  • http://sdfjklfl.com Jukai

    AllBall247: Once again, I’m sure you’ve seen many more Toronto games being a fan of them and all, but every single game I’ve seen has shown DeMar to be an average AT BEST midrange shooter, and I mean -at best.- His three-point shooting is nonexistent, and I’m sure you’ll agree with that as I’ve glanced at his 3pt percentage. He’d probably lose to Rondo in a three-point shootout.
    His defense is underwhelming, and I don’t get what you mean versatile. He’s an average iso defender who seems to get bullied in the paint. He doesn’t sky for weakside blocks or play the passing lanes much.
    Really, I mean, I know he’s athletic at all, but he needs SO MUCH improvement that I don’t see it happening. There is not a facet of his game that you can say is fantastic, outside of his full-court attacking game… but that sure as hell wont get him into an all-star game on an offense like Toronto’s!

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    By versatile I meant he can guard multiple positions, and he has done well isod against Pierce and Kobe at times this year. I agree with you he should be more of a shot blocker, and his game needs huge improvement, but if i go 2-3 games without watching him, it seems like hes improved on something.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Shot blocker on the weakside of course. Or on the break chase down like Bron. He has that potential as well.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Shout out to St. Ides…

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    JR Smith>DeRozan

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    JR Smith > Demar Derozan

  • Scott

    Chris Paul the best in the league? Paul isn’t even the best point guard in the league. I hope he recovers from that knee injury someday. Paul just doesn’t look the same. For now the best point in the league is Rose.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Hahaha I have nothin to apologize for. What me and you talked about has nothing to do with what they do now. Or over the course of an entire game, actually your completely delusional

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    OJ Mayo will be a star.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Y’all just look at stats and say hey he’s better yadda yadda? Not even worth the conversation, Derozan has star potential, but it won’t be fulfilled end of story

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    What I said was at the time we talked the lineup with James jones LeBron wade bosh and haslem was the best lineup Miami had (per minute / or 48 minutes, either way) at the time. And that when Miller is back (which is now technically but spoelstra even said today it will take about 3 weeks for him to get him in the rotation. Then Miller gotta prove he can do everything with that thumb when the game gets physical) he will get the crunch time minutes next to LeBron and Wade instead of Chalmers and Arroyo. That’s all I said – y’all went all sorts of directions about point guards and full court presses and whatever else you could think of to rationalize not having the best 5 players on the court for the most important minutes of the game

  • http://www.twitter.com/AllBall247 AllBall247

    Don’t know who your talking to, but me personally I said Marv is better, but mentioned Derozan is producing more stats.
    You do know Marv is 6 years in, and was supposed to be a superstar?

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Marvin Williams is atrocious compared to where he should be. And he is a much better player then Demar Derozan

  • Scott

    Harrison Barnes reminds me of Marvin Williams.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    And two minutes left in first half, spelstra just took arroyo out for James jones

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    Bryan Crawford, isn’t it funny how no one likes you (including me)?

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    phil, st ides high gravity to be precise. eff oe. those st ides deuce deuces are ok too.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    jukai, its endlessly funny that you even have the capability to shave your back. wookie

  • http://sdfjklfl.com Jukai

    NBK: Well, you said that the Heat play better with a 2-2-3 lineup and since they’ve switched to a 1-2-3, they’ve won 16 out of 17 games… soooooo yeah, sure, you’ve said nothing wrong.
    We’ll see if Miller will be the go-to crunch time guy.
    With these games, I’m more convinced than EVER that Miller should take James Jone’s minutes (and a BIT of Lebron/Wades) and Haslem should take Howard’s… and they should continue the lineup exactly like that.
    Tarzan: Maybe I should have said ‘shear’

  • http://sdfjklfl.com Jukai

    Oh jeez… NBK, Mario Chalmers played 23:54 minutes, and Arroyo played 23:41. I believe that’s 47 minutes and 35 seconds of combined playing time. So yes, for 25 seconds of the game, the Heat employed a 2-2-3 lineup. Congratulations! You’ve proved your point!!!!

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Never said any of that. Ever – just pointed that out cuz it was a crunch time lineup. Never even spoke about a 2-2-3 whatever that is. Actually your use of the term 2-2-3 just illustrates your completely grasping at straws for recognition even if what your saying makes absolutely no sense. And they have been pretty consistent all season with their Lineups the only change was zydeunas got promoted and Eddie house got completely pined. Do you even watch the games?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Shannon Brown> DeMar DeRozan

  • tRay

    Shannon Brown=Chris Brown

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