Tuesday, January 11th, 2011 at 2:30 pm  |  91 responses

Derrick Rose, MVP

Does it still sound crazy?

by Bryan Crawford / @_BryanCrawford

PrintIt’s only January and there is still lots more basketball left to be played in the ’10-’11 NBA season, but I think it’s time that we acknowledged Derrick Rose as a legitimate candidate for MVP this season.

The initial comment, masked as a question, was made by Rose on Chicago’s media day prior to the season. And if you know DRose, you knew that the words coming out of his mouth he was very serious about.

“The way I look at it, why can’t I be MVP in the league? Why can’t I be the best player in the league? I don’t see why not. I work hard; I dedicate myself to the game and sacrifice a lot of things at a young age.”

While, critics of Rose went into a collective, “This guy must be crazy!” and “Who does he think he is?” stance once his comments hit the mainstream media, SLAM devoted a feature article and a cover to his statement in spite of people methodically picking Rose apart and rattling off all the reasons why the third year PG supposedly had no chance at winning the award:

He can’t shoot. His assists are low. He can’t run a team. He’s not a true PG. He can’t create for others. He’s not a leader. He’s Allen Iverson or Steve Francis 2.0. LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Dirk Nowitzki and Chris Paul are all better than him.

But that was in September.

Four months later it can no longer be denied that Rose has a real shot at being named the best player in the NBA at season’s end as long as he stays healthy and the Bulls continue to play well and keep racking up the W’s.

While the MVP award in and of itself is nothing more than a popularity contest, individual and team success certainly factor into the equation and Derrick Rose is certainly experiencing both.

His field goal percentage is down slightly (49 percent last year to 46 percent this year) but his 3-point field goal shooting has increased dramatically. Last year he shot a putrid 27 percent. But this year, he’s shooting a blistering 38 percent from beyond the arc, something that admittedly, I didn’t think he could do.

He’s also distributing the ball better as well.

In his first two seasons in the NBA, Rose averaged 6 assists per game which according to many, is inexcusable for a PG. But this year he’s upped his average to 8 assists per game, due in large part to the free-agent acquisition of Carlos Boozer in the low post and Tom Thibodeau’s offensive system which opens up a lot of perimeter shooting opportunities due to an increased emphasis on ball movement and Rose’s ability to get into the paint and kick the ball out to the open man.

Rose is also averaging 1 steal per game this year after averaging less than 1 per game the last two seasons, and his rebounds are up (4.5 per game) along with his scoring (21ppg last season, to 24ppg this season) this season.

But more importantly than his individual stats, the Chicago Bulls are winning.

The team is currently sitting at 25-12 and third in the Eastern Conference which is the Bulls best standing and win-loss record through 37 games that Chicago has had since they last won a championship in 1998. Although some may attribute the team’s success to Tom Thibodeau’s defensive philosophies and the addition of Boozer, the phenomenal play of Derrick Rose is the single biggest reason for Chicago’s success.

His steadily improving game has earned him consistent praise from opposing coaches and players around the League, and even Kobe Bryant, whom Rose often cites as one of the players who motivates him, weighed in on his thoughts of Derrick as a player during LA’s annual trip to Chicago last month.

“I think the sky’s the limit for him. You see now, with the improvement he’s made on his jump shot, just last year to this year, how his game has really gone to another level. I think he’s just scratching the surface,” said Bryant who also commented on Rose’s work ethic.

“I don’t think you can develop that. I think you either have it or you don’t. I think he’s had that since high school. That separates players, I think. Players of equal ability, it’s about the engine that you have inside. It certainly gives him an edge.”

Said Thibodeau on his star point guard’s play this year, “He’s having an MVP season, but he’s an MVP guy. I think his leadership has been tremendous.”

And it was teammate Joakim Noah who may have summed up Derrick Rose and his MVP level of play this season the best.

“I think at first when he said it in the beginning of the season everybody kind of looked at him like he was crazy. But he’s somebody that has a lot of confidence in his ability and we’re playing at a pretty high level right now because of it. He’s somebody that understands that the success of this team is going to determine a lot of things for him individually. He understands that well. Ever since he got into the League he’s understood that it’s not about his stats, it’s about the success of this team that’s going to bring everything.”

Including, quite possibly, a Maurice Podloff trophy which would make him only the second Bulls player to win the NBA’s highest individual honor since you-know-who.

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  • barnabusb

    Yes, it still sounds crazy.

  • ASH

    it dont Sound crazy.

  • http://www.eric32woodyard.wordpress.com Eric Woodyard

    I definitely thought he sounded crazy when he said those comments earlier this season but he’s making everyone eat their words. He has a legit shot at the MVP.

  • http://www.google.com LilFee

    this is great to hear from DRose. 2nd best PG in the league no doubt.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Well summed up BC. For some reason, I don’t know why, maybe because he gets a lot of love from his supporters, people love to pick apart DRose. I don’t know how you can argue that someone can’t distribute the ball when they average 8 assists a game. He shoots a good percentage from the field, line, and 3 point. I’ve never seen the “bad defender” label stick on anyone like it has on Rose, just because of his defense his rookie year. I apparently missed something where every other player but Rose came into the league a superior defender. People who actually watch Bulls games this year can see that Rose is actually a very good one on one defender. Watch the tapes. Rose one on one at the top of the key defending the point has nothing to do with Thib’s system. It has to do with improved individual performance. People can argue that he won’t keep this pace up, even though his stats have improved throughout the season every year he’s been in the league. Its mind boggling to me that someone could argue otherwise. You may have players you like more, but to argue that Rose is undeserving is just craziness.

  • kc

    D rose is a good player but certainly not the mvp. He has solid numbers but he isn’t even the best pg in the league much lest the top player. The bulls are having success but a big part of that is his 20 and 10 power forward that they signed in the offseason. He is an outstanding player but i don’t see and MVP!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    SLAM should make this a continuing series. Every writer that has an unabashed bias for a particular player should state their case, and at the end of it all, let the commenters decide who made the best argument and vote on who truly deserves it.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    Yeah, because SLAM commenters are the most objective and unbiased people in the world.

  • http://www.docksquadsports.com Vik

    Nice post! And now I will go nuts. Yayayay DROSE MVP BABY!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I was being serious.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    So was I.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    I hate it when you two fight. hahaha

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The only other MVP candidate that has a writer super-fan base around here is Kobe, so maybe that’s not a good option after all. But it would be nice to see some of the writers make their case for cases like STAT, Durant, Dirk, etc…..in a similar fashion to how the Top 50 pieces were done. Maybe just hold off until March or early April.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    * case for guys like

  • LA Huey

    Was Orlando Woolridge the other Bulls MVP?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I like the idea, E. But Kobe isn’t an MVP candidate this year and LBJ would almost have to be in it just because it’s him.
    And with that being the scenario, by letting commenters vote, objectivity would then go out the window and Bron would win in a landslide regardless of whether or not a writer made a strong enough case for their player.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I don’t know kid, you must not pay attention to all the dudes reppin’ your boy this season and the Kobe worshipers who would take a facefull of hot sh*t if it meant saving his name brought up in conjunction with Lebron’s.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I meant that literally about Kobe’s people. I can see The Seed, Kap, and various others too numerous to mention take some scat play to save face for The Pariah.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    ko – you don’t have to be the best player at your position to be MVP. You just have to have the best season. Amare and Dirk aren’t the best power forwards in the league either.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    It’s not crazy to think Rose could win MVP (IMO it’ll happen before Amar’e), the whole have the entire breadth of slam visitors vote on who is most deserving of MVP won’t work though, Kobe would dominate that poll, Amar’e would get second, and then logic would start too poke out with probably Dirk falling 3rd. I highly doubt LeBron would get that much love, considering he is so wildly hated, and those that have defended him logically will certainly not vote for him as MVP with the same thought process. Ya’ll writers should help Ryne put together an E-Mail list of consistent slam contributors or something if you want a real subjective vote, other then that the winner will be kobe or amar’e.

  • JTaylor21

    Rose is not the MVP so far, it’s probably 1.Dirk 2.Bron 3.Rose

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Rose is ranked #1 in the MVP race on ESPN. Lebron #2.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    My MVP vote as of now goes, Dirk, Dwight, Rose. Wade and Bron are too much of a 1/2 punch, same with Westbrook and Durant, to give the award to just one of them. IMO

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    The bulls are 3rd in the leastern conf now, and will finish 4th. Bron will win mvp, miami no1 seed.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Basketball musings inspired by the city of chicago……….. …… Musings by the mississippi…….. …………..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    That was a pretty good idea by eboy, even though Rose might not be the MVP just yet I believe he’s in the discussion.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Can’t see how Bron can be anybodys frontrunner for MVP when his numbers are exactly the same as DWade.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This is going to sound messy but, if Rose’s field goal percentage is only down “slightly” then there is only a “slight” difference between Jordan’s career field goal percentage and Kobe’s.
    And his shot attempts, while justified, are pretty damn high. Marbury never shot this much.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And Kevin McHale and Bird were once top five in MVP votes when both of them put up really similar numbers. Ask Myles.

  • Jude

    Choosing an MVP is easy.

    If the NBA was a high school play ground as team captain who would you pick first?

    You’ve got all those players lined up in front of you, who you pickin first?

    Like it or not it’s probably still Lebron slightly ahead of the rest.

    Same result if you had a NBA draft right now of all current players. Bron probably gets picked 1st.

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    There is a HUGE difference between his attempts and Steph’s. With Marbury, you knew he was chucking and it was mostly jumpers. It’s not like that with DRose. He gets to the rim at will and that’s where a majority of his attempts come from.
    And when Bird & McHale were top 5, who won?

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    And Rose’s FG% is down, naturally, because he’s taking way more 3 point attempts.

  • tavoris

    If Lebron doesn’t get it (he’s a justified MP every season), then Rose is the next best choice. Dirk has missed too much time already IMHO.

  • block

    Rose is a contender for MVP so all the haters need to get over it. The kid plays the game hard and the right way so give him the respect he deserves this year. First it was cats in my hometown of sactown saying how evans and wall are better players than rose, then it was westbrook is better than rose because of the fiba play. He’s winning games with Kurt thomas and keith bogans in the starting lineup, thats about 7 points combined from two players in your starting 5. Then Lebron and Wade are awarded the NBA players of the month award for december, how can two players from the same team share an individual award?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Steph, before the ankle problems, lived in the lane. their free throws attempted were about the same if you look at the numbers, and it’s not like steph was getting a whole bunch of love from the refs. steph shot more jumpers, but he didn’t just shoot jumpers.
    chucking is relative. rose is shooting like 20 times. steph only cracked 19 once.

  • JTaylor21

    Rose is a chucker in the same mold as Steph. People are acting like pre-vaseline eating steph was a bum or something. Rose is slightly better but he is putting up similar numbers to NJ/Phx Steph, so it’s not like there’s a huge difference.

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    So, by comparing him to Steph, you’re saying Rose is chucking?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He is toeing the line son.
    But, sometimes you gotta chuck.
    People act like chucking is always evil. Sometimes it’s the right move for your team. Now, if he’s still shooting 20 times a game when they get him some legit scoring at the two spot, then there is a serious problem. But right now, he’s the only player on the team who can create a shot against ANY defender. Boozer can only do it against some defenders. Rose can get a shot for himself, or for someone else against anyone, therefore, he should be shooting more than anyone.
    Plus, being cmopared to Steph is not the worst thing in the world. People hate Steph and some of it is justified, but some of it isn’t. Dude hooped hard.

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    When I think of chuckers, I think of players who have a “go for mine” attitude. That’s not Derrick Rose. He’s not out there just trying to get numbers.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    seriously though, Rose is shooting as much as LeBron has shot in several seasons. Look at the numbers. And we both know he has more help than LeBron had.

  • Brandon

    Allenp, I typically enjoy your posts, but I truly disagree with you on Marbury. Marbury never realize what he had when he was in Minnesota with KG. Rose is balling and Steph never showed this type of explosion at all. He could take over games on occasion, but Rose can dominate a game every night. He should take the most shots on this team, I hate when people try to use that against him. He is the most dynamic option at scoring for the bulls. Do you want Brewer, Bogans, or Kurt Thomas taking the most shots on the team. No. I just think people should realize he is definitely in the MVP conversation if not then you are truly lacking baskeball knowledge.

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    I don’t have anything against Steph… But he didn’t help any of his teams win after Minny and his former squads actually got better after he left.
    If you take DRose out of Chicago, they go in the toilet and whatever team he goes to will be much better after he gets there.
    And being a chucker is not a positive thing to say about a player at all. It can’t even be spun in a way that it sounds good.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He helped Phoenix win. They got horribly worse the season he left, then got better when Nash came.
    And Steph’s teams got better, but they also replaced him with Jason Kidd and Steve Nash.
    Come on son, that’s like replacing Rudy Gay with LeBron.
    Lol.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And the Knicks didn’t get better for several years after they dumped Marbury.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    That’s not fair to Steph. Have you looked at the rosters he played with? Or the poor coaching he received? I’m not absolving him of all blame, he picked up some very bad habits in Jersey that he carried with him everywhere, but I actually think the Rose and Marbury comparison is spot on. I think Rose is young enough to not get this type of season as a habit, but it definitely has shades of Steph.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Allenp , I agree, but Jason Kidd got an entirely different roster, healthy KMart, healthy Kittles, a young and spry RJ. It’s not even fair to compare the two TEAMS (Steph’s Nets vs Kidd’s Nets) much less compare the two players.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Nothing against Steph who is a much different person now than he was before, but who they replaced him with doesn’t matter. He was a cancer to his teams when he played. That’s an inarguable fact.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Brandon
    You are underrating exactly how explosive Steph was. Yeah, he wasn’t on Rose’s level, but dammit, who has been on Rose’s level? He was still crazy explosive.
    Like I said, he made that injured Nets team tolerable, he got a rookie or second year Amare to the playoffs. He made the Knicks competitive for a time.
    Yeah, he wasn’t always the best teammate and the Minnesota move was beyond stupid, but I think “cancer” is a much harsher word than chucker.

  • Brandon

    Great response Allenp, that was hilarious. Seriously, I have respect for Marbury, but just I want people to understand how hard this cat works on his craft. He puts the time in unlike cats like Rondo. He has been in the league several years and has the same tired jumpshot. Rose works on his game and adds a new dimension each year to make him better. People say he could not shoot the 3 he has more makes this year than his first two years. Shooting 38 percent this year from behind the arc. Amazing after being a terrible 3 pt shooting saying that politely. I don’t here anybody saying damn I was wrong slam had it right on point for the rankings this year. He proves his critics wrong and I believe when he gets a legit shooting guard you will see more of a traditional but still dominant when the game is on the line D.Rose.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Neither word is favorable, I agree.
    Steph played in NJ and they never even made the Playoffs. I’m not sure how a team that wins 16, 31 and 26 games is “tolerable.”
    His first year in Phoenix, the Suns won 36 games. No Playoffs. His second year they won 44 games and lost in the 1st round. The next year he got traded after 34 games when they were 12-22.
    We all know what happened in New York.
    All told, in a career that spanned 13 years, he went to the Playoffs 3 times (Boston doesn’t count).
    DRose is going to the Playoffs for his 3rd time in as many years.
    They’re not the same player IMO.

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