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Monday, January 10th, 2011 at 9:00 am  |  152 responses

LeBron James: ‘I’ve Accepted This Villain Role’

by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

Early on in his career — even up to this season, actually — people liked to claim that LeBron James didn’t have a killer instinct, that he was too nice. After the public turned on him following “The Decision” this past summer, LBJ had a choice to make: continue being the nice guy, or don the black hat.

There were indications prior to the season that something within LeBron had changed. Now, James says he’s fine with being the bad guy.

In fact, he claims that being a villain suits him just fine (a role he relished playing last night in Portland during an incredibly dominant performance.)

The Palm Beach Post reports:

James not only scored 44 points, including seven in overtime of a 107-100 win against Portland, but also guarded center Marcus Camby during the overtime. And he did so, even while enduring the usual hostility that always greets him on the road.

“I’ve grown accustomed to it,” James said. “I enjoy it.” Early in the season, he said it was harder to deal with the booing “when you’re not as comfortable as you want to be. But right now, we’re very comfortable together. I’m very comfortable. And I’ve kind of accepted this villain role everyone has placed on me. I’m OK with it. I accept it.”

Miami has won 21 of their last 22 games, including an amazing 13 straight Ws on the road.

It might be time for enemy crowds to switch up their strategy, because the current one of lustily booing ‘Bron ‘Bron and the “Heatles” just isn’t working. Your boos and taunts are evidently only making them stronger.

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  • Mamba

    Lets see what they do in the playoffs where it matters and James tends to fold.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Well…..the last game of this road trip is Saturday in Chicago. I almost expect the Bulls to pull that win out. Except, Bulls fans are so nonsensical that they’ll be booing every Heat possession and fire them up, allowing the Heat to close out the history making trip with a win. Yes, I’m thinking 5 days ahead. When your team only loses one game in 6 weeks, it’s hard to focus on teams like the Clippers or the Nuggets.

  • Brahsef

    @Mamba….that’s why his playoff stats are even better than his regular season stats

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Well, LeBron see what it takes, good for him

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cheryl

    Don’t know yet, but I tend to think the notion of James “folding” in the playoffs may have had more to do with a lack of talented teammates to assist in the W’s, rather than he not having what it takes to rise to the occasion. But you’re right, Mamba, let’s see what this coming playoffs hold.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    *sees

  • monkeyball

    Totally nonsensical to boo the opposing team. Those Chicago fans sure are crrrraaaaazzzzeee!!! And booing a team that everyone despises. Well, that’s just insane!
    Fortunately the Heat have a long way to go before they can intimidate an arena full of fans into being quiet. Yes, they have a nice winning streak going. But they needed OT to beat Portland? Hardly legendary stuff.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Heat are beating everyone on the road, for weeks. And in every arena they’re getting booed liked they ra*ed everyone in the crowds family. Perhaps it’s a shi*ty strategy by the opposing fanbases.

  • Yann Blavec

    I don’t see the Heatles doing it to the finals. They’ll be swept by the Knicks or Nets.

  • AT33

    Bron is the best baller in the game! Prolly the best athlete ever. 6’8″, can move like the fastest PG out there, can jump like Dominique prolly higher, finish like Jordan. This cat is unbelievable. Still think the Knicks would have been a better stage for him than the Heat. I think he chose the Heat cuz he wanted to party in South Beach every night. lol Not a bad idea for a 25 year old.

  • LeBron de Con

    Yea, baby.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    I don’t know why people think LeBron isn´t performaing in the playoffs, yes game 5 against the C´s was very weird last year, but the year before that, he averaged like 40,8,8 through the first 5 games against the Magic in the ECF. Dude brought one of the worst teams ever to the Finals. i can´t even remember his teammates (well, maybe some :P ) This year, he will prove how good he can be with great teammates.

  • LeBron de Con

    but I’ll never accept momma riding West.

  • Mvp23100

    Bron doin work best player in the game

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I actually noticed that last night. I noticed after several shots he hit he made the “kiss my ass” sign, or would maddog the opposing bench, or would rile up the opposing fans.
    I was sitting there thinking “wow, what an a**hole” when it dawned on me – for all his talk about embracing the villain role, this was the first time I’ve actually seen him do it, with the possible exception of the game at Cleveland.
    Good for him.
    Also, I have to cosign Eboy’s first comment. My Bulls can beat this team, they’ve proven they can beat any team at home when they’re on their game.
    But this Heat team, man oh man, can they thrive in a hostile environment. And I have a feeling not only will LeBron get boos but also Bosh and, despite being from the South Side suburbs, Wade might as well.
    Hopefully Bulls fans will just let their team do their thing, and since most of us were lucky enough to watch Michael Jordan play all those years, we should be aware that some players just play balls to the wall when they’re angry.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Enigmatic, I expect a great, great game on Saturday.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Also….I know AllenP is loving this Enemy Lebron right now.

  • rich

    before they just left the crowd alone like every other road team in the league so they played like every other team on the road. now they are making opposing crowds care more about the hear then their own team, its brilliant. they are taking boos as fans and they are feeding off of it

  • T-Money

    I seriously think the boos help him focus and stay “locked in”. But are we really waiting to see how Bron performs in the playoffs, really? Game 5, ECF vs Pistons anyone? 38 ppg vs ORL two years ago? Even his “disastrous” game 6 last year, he finished with 29-19-10. Cmon now, he had ONE disgusting game. It’s not excusable at all but let’s not pretend he has never performed in the post season.

  • Pugz

    It must be fun riding DWades dick all the way to the playoffs. Good job LeBum.

  • http://www.runninglikwidworks.com MrRLW

    Watch this, you ready… Y A W N !!!

    He’s embraced it, because he has no other choice. Does he like it or relish it, no. I really don’t care what he says. I mean of course you take joy in doing the exact opposite of what your “opposers” want you to do, succeed. That can be said for everyone though. Ultimately, LeBron doesn’t want this role however, because it won’t allow him to be what he once was (on and most importantly, OFF the court). There aren’t many “villains” who have had ultra-successful marketability in the past. And he has said far more than a few times, that he is a BRAND (which he is).

    If they win (a ring or rings), there’s a good chance that more non-Heat fans will soften their stances on LeBron and things will slowly settle into place on that front. And the booing will subside, he’ll no longer have to embrace the “villain” role, etc., etc. But if they don’t… .. .

    We’ll see over time, if winning, really is all he cares about. By the way, I just felt the need to throw this in, his ‘scowl’ and stare into the crowd after he does something I don’t know… like he always has done, is laughable. LoL, just play bruh. That ain’t you… lol.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Good for him. Although it’s not like he had any choice in accepting the villain role. It is what it is…
    Looking forward to Bulls/Heat on Saturday too. I think Chicago can knock off Miami, although it would be much easier if we had Joakim. May have to wait for the Playoffs to see that though.
    Oh yeah, anybody seen Mike Miller? 6 games, 0 starts, 0.5 ppg (WTH!!). The way people were arguing in his defense here, you’d have thought he was actually going to make a real impact when he came back.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Eboy, I just hope Rose takes a page out of Bron’s book and plays p*ssed off as well.
    He also plays great when he’s upset, I think, but so far this year the only two things he’s gotten mad about are lack of calls from refs and lack of effort at times from teammates.
    But if he comes in with a “oh my team wasn’t good enough for y’all” mentality, he might go off for 35.
    One thing that concerns me though is that he has struggled against the Heat in his short career. I’ve always thought it was psychological cause Mario “Memphis killer” Chalmers is the opposing PG. Hopefully Rose has gotten the f*ck over it by now.
    Noah would’ve been super pumped for this game.
    Also, on personal level, it’ll be a joy watching Chicago’s two best current NBA players go against each other, as well as Alaska’s two…only current NBA players.

  • T-Money

    BC: Considering Mike Miller’s body of work, do you expect that to continue? Dude can ball. Lakers didn’t throw 30 mil at him for nothing. NYK wasn’t willing to go over the MLE for nothing. Spo is being on that “process” ish again, he takes time to integrate stuff. / MrRLW: Your rant is all over the place. But on your last question, if it’s not for winning then what exactly did he go to Miami and left 20 mil on the table?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Spoelstra is supposedly really odd when it comes to sticking with a rotation if it’s working and not wanting to upset the balance. I’m not sure if that’s some weird Phillipino trait or something, but the time to work Miller in is now, not sometime after the All-Star break or some sh*t like that. I guess there’s no need to rush it since it’s only January, but it would be nice to have his chemistry built up with the group.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I don’t really care how much money teams threw at him, T-Money. And that’s really poor logic in Mike MIllers defense. I expect better, especially from you.
    This was the craziest summer ever, so the money means nothing. Didn’t Travis Outlaw come up this summer too?
    All I’m saying is Spo needs to “integrate” a “process” where 3 guys aren’t scoring all of the points. Otherwise, it’s going to be a LONG summer on South Beach.

  • 2KInsider

    As far as villains go, LeBron has a long way to go. Portland hated Bill Laimbeer 100 times more than they hate LeBron. Bill did all those antics while defeating Portland in the NBA Finals.

  • T-Money

    BC: Dr. Buss doesn’t throw that kind of cash at scrubs. It means something when two teams that are going for the championship want someone to be their first wing off the bench. Bottom line: Mike Miller is a very good player. Not sure what you’re arguing there. / The Big 3 scores 67% of Miami’s points. What’s wrong with that. Didn’t everybody expect Bron and Wade to go for 25 each and Bosh for 20? Yesterday was an anomaly where both stars were super hot. Non-issue.

  • Yesse

    What the heck is this, WWE?

  • http://NBA.com EJ

    There, he answered his own commercial.

  • http://brimartin13@gmail.com Brion

    @Pugz, like he rode Dwade while scoring 44 last night?

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    This is pitiful.
    Lebron is doing nothing different.
    He’s doing the whole “c’mon boo me” thing in Madison Square Garden before.
    He just has less of a smile on.
    I swear to god, everyone is just dumb.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    haha eboy, pilipino’s ARE pretty superstitous..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Enigmatic, I’m pretty sure Rose is over the NCAA final loss, and I’m 100% sure he isn’t afraid of Mario Chalmers, Rose will abuse any PG the Heat will put in front of him, he absolutely loves the spotlight, I’ve watched almost every Bulls game and anytime it’s on national TV or it’s a great opponent he wants to show everyone how good he is. I expect a huge game from Rose, especially since the Heat don’t really have any one in the paint that will stop Rose from getting easy buckets in the paint, cause even if they put Bron or Wade on him, Rose’s ballhandling skills are amazing and he’s way too fast.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Cosign Eboy

  • ChiToro

    @Enigmatic, I’m with you on the Rose struggles against Miami thing. I’ve watched about 95% of DRose’s games with the Bulls and that team brings out the worst in him. But to me, I’ve always thought it had to do with DWade. I think there’s too much respect there or like he’s trying to hard to impress Wade. Maybe he’s always looked up to him or something. But you’re right, whatever it is, he needs to get the f*ck over it.

  • flash

    lebron is for the regular season, dwade is for the playoffs book it!

  • DR. NICK

    HIIIIIIIIII EVEERYBODDY!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Chitoro – good to see I’m not the only one who’s noticed that Rose struggles against the Heat.
    @Jahmai – Rose obviously has the ability to dominate offensively against the Heat, but like I said, for whatever reason, he’s struggled against them.
    But this year Rose is a different player. His confidence is so sky-high that he believes he’s on the same level as LeBron and D Wade.
    I wouldn’t go that far just yet, but he can and hopefully will get there soon.

  • LA Huey

    Darth Bron. Me likey.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ah, the dark side grows stronger in this one…

  • JTaylor21

    I love how people claim that Bron has to do this in playoffs when he has had many monster games in the playoffs and last year’s GM5 was probably his only terrible game. Also for a player that people claim never shows up in the big games to be avg. more ppg, apg, rpg, Fg% in the second season than one that is lauded for his big game ability is quite the irony.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Rose is so over hyped on here. D Wade if playing hard & smart on D could contain him, as could Bron. I’m not close to being a Heat fan, but Rose being handed the MVP on here every week is annoying, even if it does mean nothing.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Wade and Bron are both great players and great defenders, but they cannot stop Rose. Come on now, AllBall, you’re better than that.
    Didn’t you see when Bron tried guarding Rose in the playoffs last year and Rose blew right by him?
    I’m not on here promoting Rose for MVP or saying he’s the best in the game.
    I just got done saying he had a ways to go to get on Wade and James’ level.
    I’ve even told you he’s not on D. Will or your boy CP’s level yet as a point guard.
    But as a Chicago-area native and a lifelong Bulls fan I’ma ride and die with my dude.
    Fact of the matter is, I’m starting to wonder why commenters like you and Trailblazing get their panties in a bunch whenever his name pops up here.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Wade nor Bron could stop him, but I didn’t say stop, I said contain. Me and you can’t be thinking of the same series, because Rose torched the Cavs for the majority of 5 games, and I was loving him, but down the stretch in game 5 Bron played him, and contained him. I still love his game, but I feel he is being given too much too soon on these boards, as is Durant.
    You are not, but others are promoting him for MVP constantly. The reason I ‘get my panties in a bunch’ is because I feel like he’s getting too much too soon. Sorry for repeating myself. No doubt he is a great guard, top 3 PG, and best scoring PG, but not at the level that others, not yourself, seem to be placing him already.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    BUT I don’t think he is ever going to have great team success as a scoring PG.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    AllBall
    Define great team success?

  • Mr McOvaChicken to you

    Love the way the HEAT are bringin it this year. Way to turn the hate to a positive & shut up the doubters, haters, douchebags. Bron the Villain is just Grillin’ Mo Fos like a Jeffrey dahmer labour day picnik. + Does anybody know that GANGSTARR TRACK MOMENT OF TRUTH ? its on the album Moment of truth. it suits this well. Brain , seriously. In this economic instability money neans nothing ? Weak try. T-Money destroys B.C.s pointless jabber. ONCE AGAIN.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    I would be surprised if Rose ever make’s the finals playing the style he plays now. That isn’t really my definition of great team success, as I don’t really have one, it all depends on circumstance. I should of just said ‘I would be surprised if Rose ever make’s the finals playing the style he plays now.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Rose is going to spend the majority of his career playing against the sooper heat. I would be suprised if anyone makes the finals other then them after this year, until like 2015

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    The style he plays now is necessary due to the current team’s lineup and structure, but rest assured the Bulls have long-term plans to add better peices to the team to try and push them into the finals over the next few years.
    I’m pretty confident Rose would not put up as many shots as he does now if Keith Bogans and Kurt Thomas weren’t in the starting lineup.
    But they are, so he does. Because he has to for them to win.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Oh, and the Bulls are gonna REALLY miss Hinrich when they face the Heat, cause I have a feeling Wade is gonna go off.

  • CHILLIN’ LIKE A VILLAIN

    SAYING BRON & WADE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP ROSE BEFORE THE ACTUAL GAME IS JUST STUPENDOUS. Youre setting yourself up like the City of Cleveland , Amare or many others. ARE THE BULLS GOING TO STOP ANYONE PLAYER OF THE BIG 3 ? They can only hope that one of them MAYBE has a bad game. I love the way Miami have stepped the D up this year though & no matter what u Kobe-sukin chumps say it’s going to come down to that in the end. D WINZ GAMES !!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If the Bulls still had Hinrich, I’d put them at the three seed this season.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tony Parker has made the Finals multiple times. And he is a scoring point guard.
    If team success is only making the Finals (I know you said you don’t have a definition, but that’s what you threw out) then very few players have team success.
    Steve Nash for example. And he is pass first.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh, and Chauncey is a scoring point guard.
    So was Dennis Johnson, although he changed up some in Boston, but not that much.
    It’s not about style, it’s about how you use that style. If you are a scoring point guard and that’s what you do best, then that’s what you should do. Only you should do it in a way that benefits the team.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Is Rose more of a scoring point than those two? Personally I think so, whatever their high PPG averages are. I honestly believe Rose is more of a 2 than a 1.

  • T-Money

    E: Yeah, I see why theyd did with Kirk (can’t pass up an historic opportunity to land Wade AND James AND Bosh) but it did nothing for them in the end.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    And it isn’t a general rule, I mentioned circumstance. I’m talking about Rose as a scoring PG only, and I don’t think the way HE plays, not Parker, Billups or DJ, will result in real team success (finals apps) for Bulls.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Enigmatic – If the way he is playing changes, then my opinion will likely change. Bulls have to pull off some moves for a serviceanle 2 guard first.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    All Ball
    Well, Chauncey and Parker both had better talent, so they took fewer shots. Rose is right around 20 shots a game right now, which is a career high. Prior to that he took 17 and 15, which is right about right for a point guard with his talents, I think.
    What “style” do you attribute to Rose? What about his style do you think precludes him from having team succes, or a finals appearance?
    I’d like to see your rationale in detail.

  • http://n/a Dr. Lefty

    LeBron James was once received with respectful awe by opposing crowds. “The Decision” and the other phony posturing changed that. He lost the world’s respect, which he didn’t seem to expect. The hatred must have been a shock to a man who had always been loved, one who never knew any more adversity than losing in the playoffs, which he blamed on his teammates.
    If he got better teammates, he’d win it all and be loved more than ever, he thought.
    So being rejected by opposing crowds, he rejects them and claims he is happy doing it. Do you think he really regrets the earlier lying and posturing which caused him to lose the adulation?
    Would a former Marine drill sergeant make a good therapist?
    And the NBA playoffs are coming soon, so the world which hates him will see if the earlier playoff losses were really the fault of his teammates, or did he–and will he–choke?

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    I think Rose is too talented a scorer to defer massively to Boozer/Noah consistently in the play-offs, but I also think this will result in L’s against the better teams. I also think that playing through Boozer or Noah would result in an L, so maybe its just that Rose needs more talent around him.
    Style wise, I think that he is a scorer first, a passer second, but that he is a better scorer than any of the PG’s you mentioned.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I don’t understand how you could think Rose is more of a 2 than a 1.
    Yes, he scores a lot for a point guard. But he’s never played shooting guard in his life.
    He is a capable at making plays, and running a team, and being a leader.
    Any coach would be a fool to play him at the 2.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    And those other PG’s have titles. And Rose is a better passer then all those PG’s

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    nbk, you said yourself you can’t see the Bulls making the finals. Now your throwing out that those other guards have titles. You realise the reason Allen mentioned them in the 1st place was because they are scoring guards who have titles?
    Also, because you mention some score first guards who have won, that means Rose will? Come on now.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tony Parker put up 22 a game on 17 shots. For the French team, he averaged 30 a game. I think Parker is easily Rose’s equal as a scorer, although they get their buckets in different ways.
    Rose needs another perimeter scorer who can create his own shot. That’s it.
    Deng can’t. Boozer only can against clearly inferior players. Nobody else on the team is even close. Everybody on that team depends on Rose to get them good shots the majority of the time, unless they are getting the ball of the rim. The team doesn’t play at a fast pace, so they are a half court squad.
    Rose scores and shoots so much because too often when the team runs it’s sets, it gets nothing, and rose ends up with the ball being asked to make something happen.
    If dude continues to improve his jumper, and works harder on creating the type of contact that forces refs to blow the whistle (watching kevin martin work would be the best way to to do that) then he will play in the ECF in the near future. Without another scorer I don’t know if they beat miami, but Rose with those improvements would be good enough to make it close.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    I said that as proof that Rose could be a title contending PG. could be and will be are vastly different. is your profession jumping to conclusions? because you have done that with just about every comment I have made

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    AllBall
    When you said you couldn’t see rose winning playing his style, I assumed you meant scoring first.
    So I threw out scoring guards to prove they can win titles. I only used the modern era, but I could have gone back further.
    Right now, the Bulls don’t have the team talent to beat Boston or Miami if either of those teams play up to their potential. Hell, they can’t beat Orlando.
    So, nobody should expect them to.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Did I jump to a conclusion, or ask a question? This is getting ridiculous. Allen, I meant Rose playing his style, as in the way Rose plays, no other guard. I don’t think they beat Miami/Orlando/Boston unless they get more talent, and Rose changes his style, i.e shoot less, pass more.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    If the Bulls have the talent, but Rose is still taking almost 20 shots, and shooting at his current efficiency, I think they will struggle. You may have mentioned this, but if his shots go down to about 15 on higher % I feel they will have a much better chance of winning (when they get more talent).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh, I agree, and I am confident he would do that. Now if he doesn’t, then it’s time to get on him.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    AllBall – Also, because you mention some score first guards who have won, that means Rose will? Come on now. – just because you put a question mark does not mean that’s a question, you clearly assumed you knew the answer. talk about ridiculous

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    y’all need to let this little beef go. Both of you often bring up good points. shake hands and play nice.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Ok, how does that prove that he can be a ‘title contending PG’ as you put it? It doesn’t. Not saying he can’t, but that doesn’t prove it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    What the hell is a title contending PG???

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    he is a better scorer and passer then Tony Parker and Chauncey Billups IMO, and factually (assists and scoring are higher for Rose both in career averages, and career highs). If they can win a title, then obviously Rose CAN too. I don’t think he ever will, but he can in the right circumstances.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    its a made up thing Enig, more or less just talking about whether he can be the PG on a title team i’m pretty sure

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    nbk is going to be accused of being a racist.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Injuries are beast. Miami, outside of LeBron, has a checkered injury history.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Well, yeah he can, but under the right circumstances I suppose any player can be on a title team. I agree with you in that I don’t think he ever will either.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Although, if Rose keeps developing like this year to year, it will take a healthy MIA team to stop him from winning championships. Even if Rose makes minimal jumps year to year, now that he has seemingly made the big jump.

  • rubs93

    does not matter if chi town fans boo or not, if they pay there money they have a right to boo whoever they want. no one should be afraid that their team cant handle the heat because there fans booed them NYK can take the heat and their fans booed the ish out of him wait until may and lets see the heat have to slow down and stop all this one on one bball

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Truely Allen, i’m assuming the world is perfect, and nobody will ever get hurt when I say that.

  • JTaylor21

    I mean isn’t it kind of weird that a PG is taking the fourth most shots in the entire league. Rose is great but I don’t think that I would want my PG to be taking that many shots. That is why when it comes to the PG position, Rondo’s the better player.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Oh, and obviously Rose must become more efficient, and CHI must make some moves.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    J who would you rather have on Chicago creating opportunities and taking shots? also, i don’t have nor know the means of finding this out, but isn’t rose also among the league leaders in shots in the paint?

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    Too me, for CHI to be there best, D Rose needs to have D Will like shot attempts and numbers.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I refuse to get sucked back in to the Rose vs. Rondo debate.
    Instead, what happens to Aldridge if Portland trades Andre Miller?

  • JTaylor21

    nbk, I understand where you’re coming from because Rose has to be more of a scorer than most PGs but he’s still not a better “true” PG than rondo. A PG is not supposed to have only two and one assists in back-to-back games, that’s not acceptable for a player with the ball in his hands as much as rose does.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LOL @ Eboy.
    And I just dislike that term – “title-contending PG”.
    Like the title hopes of a team all hinges completely on the playmaking abilities of one player.
    Guess you can throw Miami’s title hopes out the window.
    And JTaylor yesterday you said Rose was the better player, Rondo the better PG.
    Now you’re saying Rondo’s the better player.
    Huh????

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    i’m not getting into the Rondo debate again, its too circular, with too much emphasis on “true pg” as opposed to better basketball player. but i see you on the subject, your concern sure isn’t wrong

  • JTaylor21

    I think that LA would be fine without Miller because it’s not like Miller is the same creator he was with the cavs. I used to be hard on LA but it looks like dude is finally living up to his potential. The off-season weight gain is really helping him be more aggresive on the boards and in the paint. He just needs to mix up his post game a little bit. I mean he was killing Bosh in for most of the game expect OT when CB1 decided to man up.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Rose is not a better scorer than tony parker. Rose goes to the paint, tries to draw contact, flails around, and throws up some goofy shots. Tony owns the paint against anyone. Hes just as fast as rose, if not faster, has a better floater, and just very crafty around the rim. No one can stop tony from getting to tthe rim and finishing. A couple years ago he led the league in points in the paint. If tony had the ball as much as many other pgs, he could avg 9 assists a game easily.

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic because I realized that I had it all wrong. With regards to the PG position, Rondo’s the better player because the only thing Rose has on him is his scoring ability. I tend not to place that much value on a PG’s scoring ability.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    If Chauncey gets traded to NJ and gets bought out – who doesn’t see him signing with Miami or back with Denver? where else would he go?

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    I mentioned a while back that Billups would be a good fit in MIA, when some one was throwing Andre Miller into the mix.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    But you have to at least acknowledge that Rondo has Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Shaquille O’neal to pass the ball to. All have scored over 20,000 points in their career.
    Meanwhile Rose has Boozer, Deng and ummm….Korver?
    I do agree Rondo is a better playmaker than Rose, but part of it is a product of Rondo having immense talent around him.
    Rajon Rondo averaged 4.1 assists per game in college compared to Derrick Rose’s 4.7 at Memphis.
    So was Rose a better point guard than Rondo in college?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Billups would almost definitely go back to Denver.
    But if he went to Miami, they would be even more beastly.
    That would be hella dope, actually.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Yeah I think it’ll be Denver too, apparently he doesn’t care about winning as much as being in the front office one day. Atleast those are the exact words from his agent

  • fruizm

    why are people debating about rondo vs rose in this article.

  • ClydeSays

    You can’t compare Rose to Rondo. A better comparison for Rose is CPaul or DWilliams. Rondo is a passer and playmaker (and defender and rebounder) above everything else.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Would Billups in Miami really improve the team that much?
    I know Billups is still better than any p[oint guard on the Heat’s roster, but in my mind I see fast breaks with Bron and Wade ending in pull up threes by Billups. That is scary. Plus, Billups isn’t as good on defense anymore.
    I don’t know. I like his shooting and intelligence. Not so sure about shot selection.

  • http://gmail z

    Gotta say that i’m glad to see Lebron getting more comfy with being booed. but i gotta reiterate somthin that DrLefty and MrRLW said earlier which is taht essentially Bron had no choice but to accept the black hat. HE was being booed even when he didn’t seem to relish the villain role, and he seemed befuddled by it at first. Dude’s basically a narcisisstic egomaniac at heart, but that doesn’t detract from his abilities on the court which are without parallel in today’s league. so can’t we ALL start to appreciate him for what he does on the court?

  • http://gmail z

    also the daily drose vs rondo debate is really pointless by now fellas. You’ve already laid out all your valid arguments both ways, now we need to just appreciate the great basketball that both play nightly. It’s a contrast of two great, devestating styles, one a scorer the other a consummate team player. Sounds kinda like a certain rivalry at the center position during the 1960′s no? and that was a golden age for the center position. I daresay we may be entering the golden age of the pg. Let’s just enjoy it, and save the daily debates for the offseason when we’re desperate for stuff to talk about…

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    haha i was thinking the exact same thing allen. But i really do see him signing with Miami if he gets traded and bought out. Its just too obvious IMO

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, I love watching DRose but are you really reaching into the college bag just to prove that Rose’s a better PG than Rondo? I much rather have Mia go after GOden than Billups at this point because GO on this heat squad would make them damn near unbeatable while Billups would only help them a little becuase it’s not like Mia is in dire need of a old non-defensive shot-jacking PG. GO on the other hand doesn’t need the ball to be effective, he would just protect the rim and snatch up every rebound in his vicinity.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Allen brings to light the billups conundrum: he is praised for having a high bball iq, yet, he has horrible shot selection. People kill jr smith for low ball iq and taking bad shots. But, from what ive observed, jr takes better shots than billups.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Portland will resign Greg Oden, as crazy as that sounds. They are also not willing to admit Roy is done as a All Star SG, which is why they are going to trade Andre Miller.

  • bashmo

    Lebron’s a beast and yesterday’s game solidified that for any non believers. I am not a serious Lebron fan but its time to accept the fact. Miami is looking incredible right now, and whether or not they can deliever in the playoffs has to be seen. I think they’ll do well. I promise you one thing though: They’ll finish with the best record in the league.

  • T-Money

    Allen: I see you. On one hand, Billups is about a bajillion times better than Rio and Carlos. But he WILL pull up with an open Wade or Bron flying down the wing and take the big shot at the end (which hasn’t been a great thing lately). Worst of it, Bron and Wade would respect the ring and the experience and not force him to give it up. Could get messy. Maybe I’m overanalyzing things.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Z has a point. The more I think about it, the more I realize I’m being a hypocrite.
    I’m always one of first, whenever there’s a Kobe vs. LeBron debate on here, to say “they’re both great. move on.”
    But I’m also one of the first to jump into a Rose vs. Rondo debate.
    Probably cause Rose is from my team.
    I’ma try and chill though and not get involved in these Rose vs. Rondo debates from now on…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You won’t succeed.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Most likely not.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Let’s start some new versus debates to help ease the withdrawl pains: Ronnie Turiaf>Glen Davis for most annoying cheerleading teammate.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    How about…. Rudy Gay vs Joe Johnson! Go!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Diesel – Glen Davis.
    @Jukai – You talking about who’s the better player or who’s more deserving of their undeserved contracts?
    Tyrone Hill vs. Popeye Jones for ugliest NBA player in recent history?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Also, a word of advice for all you wannabe kicks makers –

    if you name your shoe company this http://www.lebronjordan.com/

    You can expect this to happen
    http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/blog/2011/01/nike-slaps-down-lebron-jordan-inc.html

  • al

    go lakers

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Dammit enigmatic, you just ruined my business plan. My sneaker like was gonna be called, jordanlebronhandlogtenkobewiltmikan.

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    There is NO WAY Wilt would score 100 points in todays game.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    LOL @ Tarzan

  • ka

    wow, some o yall talk about brons playoff experience like this was his 2nd year. i know the team is in its first year but come on, both wade n bron been in the finals, these guys know a bit abt winning.

  • http://gmail z

    Whoa ugh yesterday it was YOU who didn’t wanna talk about wilt. What makes you think he couldn’t just outta curiosity?

  • http://gmail z

    Btw all you cats who argue old school players couldn’t dominate today need to bear in mind that those old boys were stronger in SOME aspects of the game than contemporary players. Who are we to say what chamberlain couldn’t do in todays game? Leave that to guys who actually saw him in his prime, and have lived long enough to witness the changes in the game that have taken place. Respect your predesessors.

  • http://Philosopher.vision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • Zoom

    @ Enigmatic: Um, have you seen Eric Williams or Sam Cassel? Those two take the cake EASILY when discussing the ugliest NBA players.

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    I still don’t, z. Fix your damn sarcasm detector.

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    Gimmie a t! Gimmie an r! Gimmie a ol-lol-ol! You got trolled!

  • Jay Reyes

    @Enigmatic: that’s no lebron jordan mockup… it looks more like a mockery to me…

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    Haven’t checked in much lately, just curious… are people still laughing at Boozer?

  • http://gmail z

    Gaahhh ugh why are you doing this 2 me??! Whyd ya bring it up? Also is ugh an abbreviation? Or jus supposed 2 be a syllable?

  • ab40

    man I wish people hated on vc and t-mac back in the day. fuel their motivation. especialy vc I’ve only seen his inner bad man a few times.

  • bill breedley

    everybody gets hyped up every year when lebron starts playing great at some point during the regular season. his team is called the team to beat etc. but come playoffs where epic fail typically occurs, excuses will again come up. prediction, lack of bench support, bosh is no superstar, wade not giving enough. celts or magic will provide the reality check that this team is poorly built. three more months or so!!! cant wait

  • http://klatschendom.wordpress.com/ speedy

    Booooooooooo.
    :-)

  • A l a n

    ^^ can’t agree more with you.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    ^^Two morons.

  • D dot Wesley

    This dude is weak as a man! My reason for saying this is because if you are a good guy, you are a good guy whether there is adversity or not. If you are a bad guy, you’re a bad guy. You don’t let other peoples emotions dictate who you are as a man. “IF YOUR HOUSE IS BUILT ON SAND, WHEN THE STORM COMES YOUR HOUSE WILL FALL!” (MATTHEW 7:24-27)(LOOK IT UP)

  • feez22

    I just can’t help but bring this up. Remember last yrs playoffs? yes lebron played relatively bad vs. boston but jesus christ he absolutely manhandled the bulls. they also booed him like no tomorrow and what did he do? 31ppg on 50+ percent shooting from the field and the 3? lebron is a bulls killer. just like he is a blazers killer. He matches up well with the bulls. Should be a great game rose will go bonkers. but at the end of the day… wade/bron will be too much. and god forbid a bosh sighting (in all seriousness bosh has played really well for the past month and a half not 100 million dollars good but consistent nonetheless). I expect the heat to win this. wade playing at home v. brewer/bogans combo is going to be harsh for the bulls. The bulls already know what booing lebron entails (again, last yrs playoffs) and if bosh decides to show up for yet again another PF battle with an elite on the other side than bulls won’t win. 1 things for sure… stacy king’s gonna be going bonkers.

  • CHILLIN’ LIKE A VILLAIN

    me too

  • BALLER 4 LIFE

    Lets cut the crap about Lebron folding in the Playoffs- These are his playoff averages
    29.3 8.4 7.3- Doesn’t look like folding to me- Now I understand that it’s not just about how much you score but WHEN YOU SCORE!!- But even he can’t win it all on his own. Remember how he beat Detroit in 07 in the semis almost single handidly when he scored 25 points straight but was unable to sustain that through the finals.

    Game 5 against Boston was an exception and not all his fault- What about game 3 when he detroyed them almost by himself- What did his teamates do?- Nothing!! Kobe’s teamamtes won game 7 in last years finals not Kobe. LeBron could not have a bad game and still win. – His point was he needed more help. And judging by Cleavland’s record now HE WAS ABSOLUTLEY RIGHT- THESE GUYS MAY NOT WIN 20 GAMES THAT’S A 40 GAME DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!-

  • Cool Dude

    I’ve hated Lebron for the longest time thinking he was an overspoiled baby. Seeing him play the heel role so flawlessly during the Portland game has changed my viewpoint. We need more edge during today’s soft nba, and lebron is providing it.

  • Da Holy Karron

    CHILLIN’ LIKE A VILLAIN hands down the best comment on this thread.. Clearly da best hahaha.

  • Fboy

    The heat have the best center in the league with Erik Dampier..they need 2 use him more..especially if they wanna beat the celtics

  • whyeo

    in my eyes, Queen james has always been the villian.

    right from the beginning.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ROFL @ Eni’s link! Ahahahaha.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, I did not know Nike owns converse. Wow.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Pretty sure that quote was buried under: “I’ll be anything you want me to be. Please like me!”

  • LeBroomSucks

    I heard he likes to kill endangered rabbits.

  • thegfunk

    The Nba would be a bore without personailities and characters. It is entertainment right? As Kermit says: I got those happy feet, give them a low down beat and they begin dancing!

  • Justin

    Lebron is a classless piece of sh*t. I just read that during the Lakers beatdown of the Cavs tonight he tweeted something about “Karma being a b&tch” amongst other things. What the hell did Cleveland ever do to him and why would he have to pour salt in the wounds of his ex teammates like that? Someone needs to step in and tell this idiot to just shut his mouth and play basketball

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