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Wednesday, January 12th, 2011 at 9:00 am  |  493 responses

LeBron James on Cavs’ 55-Point Loss: ‘Karma is a B****’

by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

Earlier this week, LeBron James informed the world that he’d officially joined the dark side. He’s now content to be a villain in the sports world, no longer in need of the public’s adoration.

He wasn’t kidding, friends.

Last night, as the Cleveland Cavaliers were in the midst of a humiliating 55-point loss to the Lakers, James took great pleasure in his former team’s misery.

According to LeBron (via his Twitter feed), God hates the Cavs, more or less.

Here’s the quote in full, which materialized late during the fourth quarter of the game:

“Crazy. Karma is a b****.. Gets you every time. Its not good to wish bad on anybody. God sees everything!”

Now, whether or not God has more important matters than the fate of Cleveland’s terrible basketball team to keep him (her?) occupied is up for debate, but the strangely bitter LBJ is seemingly convinced this was the work of a higher power.

LeBron James clearly no longer cares about what any of us think; he’s going to say — and tweet — what’s on his mind.

It’s frankly refreshing to see such a high-profile athlete reveal his emotions and opinions so nakedly, no matter how clumsily he goes about doing so.

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  • JAMS

    good for him

  • MikeC.

    I’m not quite sure how karma plays into it, but that was an absolute demolition. The Cavs’ D was so sloppy that every Laker looked like a cross between Jordan, Magic and Larry.

  • JAMS

    bring back 1,000,000 – 1

  • MUBWAR

    Lebron just don’t give a deam anymore. Good for him. Cleveland didn’t deserve you.

  • Caden’s A Dick

    Dear Cleveland,
    Bwahahahahahahahahaha
    That is all….

  • riggs

    kanye did it first

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Go fu*k yourself, Dan Gilbert. Go fu*k yourself, Mo Williams. Go fu*k yourself, voodoo witch doctor. Go fu*k yourself, Cavs. We’ll be waiting for your championship run on baited breath.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy
  • Morgan

    Are we sure he means Cleveland…do you not think he could be tweeting about something that is going on in his own life…”assumptions make you look like an a**”

  • dahon

    I hope he never win any ring

  • http://www.twitter.com/hurstysyd Hursty

    I see youuu Dan Gilbert!

  • JC

    karma will get you if you are being an a$$

  • KB8toSG8

    Funny how no Cavs fans are even visible on ANY forum lol……And LeBron’s right. Dan deserved it for being an asshole.

  • monkeyball

    Cosign the last two posters. Lebron’s an asshole and I hope he retires without having won anything.

  • Ice

    What did karma have to do with that? They were out matched by a way better team (the reigning champs) & this must mean that the Miami Heat suck ass with 3 superstars on their team couldn’t do what L.A. did but all assumptions out the door…..did he say he was referring to the game because it could’ve been any # of things. Lol…..The Game was on BET last night & had some wild plot twist lol joke.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    “…strangely bitter LBJ is seemingly convinced this was the work of a higher power.”
    Because God only loves LeBron and only avenges those who have wronged him, right? Right…

  • http://slamonline.com Caboose

    When can we officially start calling him Anakin?

  • reflex

    I ain’t even mad at Bron for this

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    My bad, that shouldn’t have read “avenge” but instead “takes revenge on those who have wronged him.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Cavs are laughable. Their owner is laughable. The loss last night was laughable. This is all well-deserved “laughing at” from the player that made the Cavs a known entity in NBA circles for the last 7 seasons. If you can’t see this, you should have starred in the Book of Eli.

  • michael

    he should have stayed silent…way classier, i mean everyone can see how much they suck without him….isnt that enough? Still, I am enjoying this new hostile lebron.

  • kh

    Hypocrisy?

  • MUBWAR

    Stop the buffoonery because we possibility of Lebron not getting a ring was dead once he joined forces with real NBA players by the name d3 abd CB1, not these after taught cleveland players.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Or reread what Gilbert wrote and grow a backbone and say to yourself “how would I react if my last boss, who I worked my a*s for for the longest, berates me as if I was one of Michael Vicks dogs”. But you know, stupidity and prejudice won’t allow this type of intelligence to creep into someone’s mind.

  • http://slamonline.com Caboose

    Anybody else find it really funny that now that Bron is gone there’s ZERO Cavs fans and now that he’s on the Heat there’s A LOT of Miami fans? I love bandwagoners. (Of course, nothing against you Eboy).

  • Justin

    What exactly does karma have to do with it? Lebron is a classless piece of sh*t. Will somebody in his camp please tell him to shut the hell up and play basketball? Does he have any PR sense in his entire body? What a complete moron

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    denzel was badass in that movie. so were the old couple that lived in that house

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Caboose, I’m not sure if there’s a lot more Heat fans. I think there are still more fans of his particular game that took some time to show themselves again once they saw that the Heat weren’t going to be as bas as people made them out to be. They just like the Heat by association.

  • michael

    future generations will look back at the period between 2003 and 2010 and wondered happened to make the cavs decent in amongst such a long period of general suckiness (earlu 90′s price/daugherty aside)
    oh that lebron guy

  • http://slamonline.com Caboose

    I give Bron credit because he claimed he enjoys being the villain and now he’s really running with it. I don’t agree with his comments (don’t bring the idea of God into this) but at least he is staying consistent with his new persona.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    I hope LeBron stays this way, I love it, it’s taking his game to a another level.

  • http://slamonline.com Caboose

    Ah you might have a point E. Still, no doubting that a certain percentage of Cavs fans transmogrified into Heat fans.

  • michael

    and eboy i agree if my old boss had said that sh1t about me i would probably respond like that, still think he should have shut up. Read soemthing on espn, the last 43 days cavs are 1-20, heat 20-1. Ouch.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Yeah, the GOD thing needs to be steered cleared of. But like most athletes, movie stars, musicians and everyday people, Twitter makes you look like a moron without even trying.

  • Eric

    Justin, if he doesn’t shut up, what will you do? People like you are always popping off at the mouth like you have some sort of power.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    Eboy, you know you’re my dude, but come on…
    LeBron went to Miami. Cleveland sucks. He’s on a contender. They’re on their way to the Lottery. He won. They lost. Grow up. Move on. Let it go.
    Acting like he was hurt that his GF left him only to later see her 50lbs heavier and then putting her on blast on Facebook isn’t cool. It’s childish.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Hasn’t he done that since July?

  • michael

    Acting like he was hurt that his GF left him only to later see her 50lbs heavier and then putting her on blast on Facebook isn’t cool. It’s childish.

    actualyl that woudl be awesome

  • MUBWAR

    So Caboose, fallowing a player’s career is bandwagoning according to your logic. I am die hard raptors cause im from canada. And having my fav players (bosh and the King) join forces made it that much sweeter to root for the Heat.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    It’s January…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    6 months later he makes his first pointed comment directed at the team/city/owner whoever. Big fu*king deal. He ain’t slaughtering Chris*ians or killing babies, this is good old-fashioned rubbing it in your face.

  • Justin

    Eric, what the hell are you talking about? Popping off like I have some sort of power? All I did was speak the truth. What he is doing almost on a nightly basis is be about as classless as one can be. People should show this stuff to impending superstars on how NOT to act like a professional.

  • birdman

    Yes Lebron, say and do what you like, don’t hate the haters for hating, feed off their negativity and supply yourserlf wif positivity to push yourself harder! Much love from England!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    Isn’t “rubbing it in your face” a karma foul as well?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bron, I remember how overjoyed you were when Gilbert issued his statement. I believe you are twisting sh*t (yet again) to try and slight the dude by using your fat ex girlfriend example. It’s alright though, in three days you can see dude up close and take it up with him and get to see him play his game firsthand and decide if Team Fail is still as sh*tty as you hoped they would be.

  • Justin

    Eboy, that’s just the point. He doesn’t NEED to rub anything in anyone’s face. Nobody disrespected him in Cleveland until he put on that ridiculous “Decision” thing. You don’t think he at least owed it to the Cavs to phone them ahead of time and let them know what he was going to do? All he needs to do is keep playing basketball and winning games the way he’s doing. THAT’S how you rub it in their faces if you think he really needs to do that. The kid needs to grow a set and get some class

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I don’t think so.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Justin, not sure if you know much about the politics of the NBA and the way rosters are restructured throughout a season, but when an owner makes a deal for a player in a trade, there are noted instances (tons actually) when a player is told while he’s on a bus to the airport after a game, while he’s sitting in the locker room before a game or in a hotel room when they learn the news they were traded to another team. For that player, there is no OPTION. They have to pack their sh*t, their families (if they can convince them) and their lifestyles and take it to another city (not of their choosing) because of a business decision. To be mad at a dude who did the same thing, but with the roles reversed, shows a lack of reasoning ability.

  • yourdad

    Anyone who was a Cavs fan and is now a Heat fan (like myself) was never really a fan of those teams – they’re LeBron fans. They’d be Knicks/Nets/Whoever fans had free agency gone differently. I don’t know that that’s bandwagon style, just fans of the best player in the L.

    And, oh yeah, LeBron embracing the villain is potentially the best thing to happen to the NBA in a long time.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    For clarity’s sake, let’s review my Dan Gilbert comment, shall we…
    First off, I said that it WASN’T classy, but kind of cool and funny to see him pop off like that because ANYBODY would be mad to see millions of dollars just walk out the door.
    It was a snap judgement based on emotion which I can understand.
    But it would seem that 6 months later, despite racking up W after W, including one that put his old team to shame despite the most hostile of environments, that wasn’t good enough and your boy is STILL mad.
    That’s different, and it’s not cool. So how can I possibly be trying to slight him when it’s so obvious that he’s done it to himself yet again?
    But I get it, this is all MY fault…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And he didn’t hold a franchise hostage (like Melo has been doing since the season started) so hate on Amare, Boozer, and any one else that signs as a free-agent on another team. Better yet, find me the phone records or the sympathy letter those guys wrote to their prior team.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    It was funny and cool. Got it.

  • Marcel Mutoni

    The important thing here, is that the picture I chose for this post is awesome. That is all.

  • neaorin

    wow, a karma comment coming from LBJ… now THAT’s irony.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    And unclassy. Don’t leave that part out.

  • michael

    eboy, honestly how much would u be defending him if he didnt choose your home town heat…serious question.

  • Justin

    Eboy, for you to even think the two are remotely the same shows a lot of bias. I thought for sure you were smarter than this. You know as well as I do that what Lebron did doesn’t mess with one person and his family but an entire organization and THEIR families. As for the team telling the player he’s been traded, when do you think would be a good time to tell him? To be honest, I don’t think there is a good time unless it happens to be on an off day and they can give him a call or have him come to the offices.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    Genius, M2…

  • Justin

    Michael poses a great question. Why do I not think the same sort of bias would be shown if Lebron had gone to the Lakers? lol

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’d defend any dude that tried to make a better career decision. For real. I can’t hate on ANYONE that tries to make a better career decision for themselves. I was ready to boo Bron if he went to the Knicks or the Bulls or the Nets, but to carry a fuc*ing grudge for the rest of my life? That’s some sh*t a scorned chick would do. Please.

  • robb

    I’d understand it if he was rubbing it in Gilbert’s face, but c’mon, those guys used to be your teammates, you just don’t do that. Lebron’s got no class at all. He’s right though, life’s a b****, that’s why he’ll never have a ring.

  • HAMMER

    I can c where this is going. SSDD

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Example: If a dude I knew worked as a assistant manager at a Best Buy or some sh*t like that, but then got an offer to take over a rival store for better money, hours, job title, location, I should say the dude should be loyal? TO A BRAND? Because…that’s what….right? GTFOH.

  • michael

    @eboy, good answer. Lets all separate life decisions from sport, hate the dude for being so good but on another team, but respect the man for choosing the best for himself and his family, knowing the bitterness that woudl spew forth when u did. Totally agree. Having said that if kobe joined the heat, your head might explode.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    “…but to carry a fuc*ing grudge for the rest of my life? That’s some sh*t a scorned chick would do.”
    Considering the topic of this post, what a strangely appropriate chose of words. You know, for “posterity’s sake.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    @ Miachael, I would only hope that Kobe would be willing to accept being the third option and cheer for him.

  • T-Money

    BC, correct me if I’m wrong but few Lakers fans argued that Kobe had to let ish go when he said that the last championship gave him “one more than Shaq”. And that beef has been going on for damn near 10 years. This was directed at Gilbert only. Gilbert and James will never be cool again and I don’t expect them to let ish slide. Think Dan won’t have a “karmic” tweet if Miami starts losing again? The God part is foolish but is in line with athletes and musicians thanking God for a freaking award or championship. Like He gives a eff…

  • RobbieJay

    delonte slept with his mom…thats kinda disrespectful isnt it.?

  • MUBWAR

    Nice come back Eboy, but I’ll still be rooting for Lebron even if he played for the TWolves. This is the type of player we get once every 50 years.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If Lebron is still acting like this in a year, then yeah, Bron, keep that sh*t in the archives. If he burns his own Cavs jersey on a viral video or something like that, then the dude may need some psychological help.

  • Justin

    Eboy…but I bet he’d still give two weeks notice wouldn’t he?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Didn’t Gilbert use that Karma bullsh*t when the Heat struggled out of the gates? Yeah, suck it Trebek.

  • Justin

    I also doubt your Best Buy assistant’s leaving would ruin the company, so really it was a rather weak comeback

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    T-Money, Shaq kicked that whole thing off when he rapped, “Kobe, tell me how my a$$ taste” did he not?

  • michael

    somewhat related note – i love the fact there are about 6 teams so laden with talent, you have to put up with a lot of crappy teams, but the late rounds of the playoffs this year, particularly in the east, could be epic

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    @Bryan Crawford: Eboy has you, buddy. You did revel in the Gilbert letter.
    That being said, Eboy BASHED the Gilbert letter and said Gilbert was a prick for writing it, and yet he supports this twitter feed by Lebron.
    So uhm, do you guys not see what you are doing?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I used an everyday example to try and ground it in reality. NBA basketball isn’t reality for 99.5 percent of the population. These over exposed athletes are more like real life Mickey Mice than your local businessman. You can’t put a tag on what professional athletes do. They’re regarded and treated with a whole other set of rules.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Ho hum.
    Good to have high profile villains back in the Nba.
    Next up, chuck a dude through a plate glass window, get it, “chuck”. Hehe

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    Oh look, it’s the dude that throws rocks and hides his hands. Any comment directed at me by you is INVALID today after that stunt you pulled last night, coward.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jukai, if you think a two line tweet (that makes no reference to anyone at all) is in similar fashion to the Gilbert letter, we can’t really talk about this rationally.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I need to read that thread again to see what Jukai did.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Predicting this thread reaches 250+ comments easily, since it’s BC’s favorite topic to rag on about and because the LBJ fans will counter each point he makes.

  • Eric

    Let’s see, Gilbert can cast spells and dig up a witch doctor and that’s funny and understandable. But Lebron mentions karma and God and that becomes a bridge to far. I just love the whole idea that people can disparage someone and that person is suppose to stay quiet and play nice. Being classy is a two way street. If the critics don’t keep it classy, the person they criticizing doesn’t have to either.
    And Justin, how is winning classless? Look dude, no one owes you an apoloogy because you don’t like the way they go about their business. What Lebron did over the summer did not violate anyones life, liberty, or property. What Lebron did with that message? Ditto! Stop crying.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    You misspelled “stans.” And no, I won’t be doing this all day. I’ve made my points and said what I had to say about dude.

  • Justin

    Not even an LBJ fan can counter this. Eboy, are you SERIOUSLY going to try the “tweet makes no reference to anyone at all” line next? Hahahahahaha! Why can’t you just admit that it was a classless move by your new hero? It doesn’t mean you or any other Heat/LBJ fan are going to cheer for him any less, but at least call it for what it is

  • Eric

    And don’t forget Mark Cubans “classy” remarks and laughter when the Heat were struggling, and Cuban was taking up for his good friend Dan Gilbert. And now Dirk and Butler are were? Oh, karma’s bitch alright.

  • Eric

    I meant where?

  • logues

    so…. one really bad regular season game against lakers is supposed be their Karma?? alright…

  • Justin

    Eric, I’m sorry but you’re an idiot. I didn’t say winning was classless. I said his Tweets along with some of the other things he’s said and done over the past year have been classless. Perhaps you need someone to read to you so you can understand better? The only people that doesn’t think what Lebron did over the summer or how he went about it was wrong are Lebron (because he’s too egomaniacal to admit a mistake), the Boys and Girls club because they got $2M, and Heat fans because they are too blinded with what they got out of it.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    Eboy: I said I thought Bryan Crawford’s writing was good, and he makes great arguments, and I wondered why he was so awful at debating in the comment section. Then I actually had to focus on work, then passed out at my house, then forgot about the comment section. So apparently I bailed out on an argument or something. I don’t know, apparently I did something very wrong. The terrible thing was I was half praising him, which is just about as much praise as he’ll ever get from me.
    Also, while Lebron’s comment wasn’t as d*ckish as Gilbert’s, it’s still a dumb comment. The fans may deserve the embarrassment, Gilbert might, but he still should feel bad for the Cavs, you know, his ex-teammates.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Justin, I long ago gave up having “heroes”. They normally let you down. Like Cavs fans have found out. How Heat fans will find out in about 5 years. It’s a process with athletes. If you thought that tweet was classless in comparison to the bile that has been spewed at this guy, than you have problems. It’s allright though. I can’t be mad at you for being a hater. It’s part of the new logic.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jukai, I read that comment section. I don’t get it either. And when you reference Lebron’s ex teammates, should he be feeling bad for the 7 or 8 guys that wouldn’t shake his hand or acknowledge him in the two games they’ve played this season? Good for them for making a stand, but why should be play the “woe is me, my old buddies hate me now” card? That’s nonsensical.

  • T-Money

    BC @ 10:11 – Fair enough, but then how can you blame Bron from retaliating to the comic sans letter then? Fair is fair.

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    “Eric, I’m sorry but you’re an idiot.” lol

  • Justin

    Eboy, who said I was comparing them? But don’t you think this whole thing is downplayed a whole lot if he were to have just told the Cavs what he was doing and said the same in a press release or something? Or if he has to do the one hour special he can then start his comments with something like “After much deliberation…” (if he knows what that means. After all, he didn’t know what contraction meant) “…after talking with my family and friends, I have let the Cleveland Cavaliers know I will be signing with the Miami Heat this summer”. Done. Leave out the “I’m taking my talents to South Beach” line that made him look ridiculous too. There would naturally be some anger, some real disappointment from the fans but I don’t think it gets to the hostility level that it did. Ironically, it’s that hostility that has turned the season around for the Heat because after that game in Cleveland it really brought the team together

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I thought Kobe kicked that whole thing off by ratting out Shaq for paying chickenheads.

  • T-Money

    That tweet was not for the players. Only the “fans” and Gilbert wished bad things on him.

  • amir

    twitter does more bad than good. you know there are kids on twitter and people from that area who looked up to him as a role model. I get that he’s trying to act cool but this is not the way to go. and is it me or is his athletic ability starting to fade already?

  • roman

    LB- everyone knows why the Cavs are getting blown out. Be the big man and just be quiet. No need to twitter your thoughts. Just my two cents!!!!!!!

  • MUBWAR

    How about this. Fukc all you Lebron haters. Leave him alone already. Lebron and the Heat are hot and everyone else is not? simple enough

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Justin, it seems that THIS particular dude is beloved and now hated like no other single athlete (at least in NBA history)…..that speaks volumes. If he did say ““After much deliberation…after talking with my family and friends, I have let the Cleveland Cavaliers know I will be signing with the Miami Heat this summer” do you really think that Cavs fans would have reacted well? Seriously? You did see their reactions, right? It wouldn’t have mattered if Lebron would have went house to house to every Cavs seasons ticket holder and told them his intentions, he was in a no-win situation with THAT group of fans. NO WAY he could have made it right by them. The reason? Because they felt they were “gifted” the kid and they were all “witnesses” and they felt they “deserved” to be title contenders. When you have that much entitlement attached to you, you really can’t be rational.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    T-Money, so that tweet is retaliation for the comic sans letter? I thought him destroying Cleveland the way that he did when everybody and their momma was booing him into laryngitis was retaliation enough.
    I guess not…

  • Airnest

    Can we pretty much assume that LBJ knows the meaning of “Karma” as opposed to “contraction”?

  • T-Money

    E: I don’t care what anyone says that sh-t was foul. He told on Shaq to the cops. The cops! Extra foul.

  • T-Money

    BC: To go with your logic, then winning the fifth ring in itself should have sufficed as a retaliation to Shaq’s diss. Gotta be consistent.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    T-Money, that’s part of the reason why some of us still despise that lame.

  • riggs

    im kinda loving this evil lebron, doing this to everybody except the celtics.

  • Mvp23100

    Didn’t Stan Gilbert just take the cavs out their hotel because the heat were also staying there and f*ck class revenge is sweeter

  • Justin

    Eboy, I never said they would have reacted well. Jesus, between you and Eric does anybody actually read what I’m writing? I said the hostility wouldn’t have gone to the level it did. It’s not just a sense of entitlement Cleveland fans have either, but just a yearning for a championship of any kind. Considering where their other sports teams are at right now, seeing Lebron go was also seeing their best shot at a championship go.

  • Tree

    Does anyone else get the feeling that this “New Lebron” is nothing more than a new fabricated marketing ploy?

  • Justin

    Mvp23100…you can have both you know. All you do is keep winning and keep your mouth shut. The only way he’d actually get revenge though is to win a title. Otherwise everyone will just say “Big deal, he got Cleveland that far with less talented players”

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011 Diesel

    Eboy and Jukai – the way i viewed yesterday’s comment section is Eboy and BC were having a discussion. I didn’t think BC was saying anyting stupid or out of line. Maybe you guys didn’t agree with what he was saying, but he was stating his thoughts clearly. So it was weird to see Jukai’s comment about BC’s comments being awful. It didn’t really make sense. It looked even worse when BC asked how are his comments were awful and Jukai had no response.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    I am being consistent, T-Money.
    Shaq won his 4th and made a diss song.
    Kobe won his 5th and made his comments.
    You can’t just say that Kobe shouldn’t have said anything after winning last year when Shaq took a shot at him first. Reciprocity.
    Gilbert sent a letter. LeBron destroyed his team. That should’ve been it.
    But instead, as Cleveland is getting blown out by a double-nickel, LBJ is STILL taking shots?
    And you call me inconsistent? Yeah, OK…
    I’m nothing if not consistent.

  • neaorin

    No real Cleveland sports fan ever felt like they deserved to win anything. The Cleveland Curse, however silly it may sound, it very much real in the minds of every fan who has witnessed (ha!) The Fumble, The Shot, The Drive etc. In fact I’d venture to say that the Cleveland fan base is among the least entitled out there. There’s a reason we have a sports blog called WaitingForNextYear, and why a 2009 poll calling for fans to decide between winning one championship and keeping LeBron – assuming we could only have one of the two – had about 85% of voters choosing the ‘ship. The entitlement might have come from 15 year old LeBron fans who now have simply migrated over to the Heat. Enjoy them, because we sure as hell won’t be missing ‘em.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Coney Islander

    LeBron should never say anything about Cleveland! He is the only reason people have been talking about that bulls**t hole in the wall city! Let them die nameless! Cleveland KICK ROCKS!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Yes, Justin, because every other sports franchise and their respective fanbases don’t yearn for a title if they’ve never experienced championship winning. Sure, I get that Lebron was their best shot at getting there, but guess what? They had him. For seven seasons. And never gave him a first-class running mate. Ever. Even after they made the Finals and got rocked by the Spurs, they never reloaded and tried to level the field. When the dude privately complained after the 08-09 season, they brought in old Shaq and 3rd tier Antoine Jamison with a mismatched trade. They made their bed hoping Lebron would lie in it until he couldn’t get up anymore. Lebron took his pillow to Miami and made a decision with a poor “decision” special on the front end.

  • yns

    On another subject and to try to understand the annoying and redundant postures of Eboy and other ayatollahs of fanship

    Was just wondering what it is exactly tha people mean by true fan vs bandwagonners

    What exactly is the meaning of being fan of private business with little or no history (save for a few teams LAL, BOS, PHI…), with a lot of turnover as far as players coaches and management, with no clear set of values or identity and little or no local roots…

    Logos, colours,arenas maybe ?

    On the other hand being a bandwagonning supporter of a player / or a cast of players / or even a coach (and his system) makes total sense to me

    I am a proud Lebron / Steve Nash / Blake Griffin Bandwagonner

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    BC I thought you said
    “…strangely bitter LBJ is seemingly convinced this was the work of a higher powDer.”

    hahahaha

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    @neaorin, obviously, examples never include EVERY fan in a fanbase, but when the Cavs where running through the last few regular seasons with great success, there were TONS of Cavs fans that claimed the “time is now” and “everyone will bow down to The King” and that type of happy hores*it. It made the Cavs an unlikable organization to outsiders. That and all of Bron’s preening with his teammates and posing for pictures and wearing birthday hats on the sidelines and choreographed dance routines and that type of sh*t made it worse. Notice that type of behavior hasn’t permiated to the Heat? You know why? ‘Cause Riley would kill that sh*t in a heartbeat. Gilbert promoted it and rolled around like a pig in sh*t from it (and made lots of money off of it). That’s where this supposed “karma” problem stems from.

  • Justin

    Eboy, it’s not just the sports franchise that yearns for the title. Most cities do but at least one of their teams wll get there from time to time. Cleveland hasn’t had a title of any kind in what…50 years? I’d have to look it up. And yes, I will grant you that they didn’t get him good enough talent but I guess it’s hard to rock the boat when you’re winning 60+ games every year. Most franchises won’t tinker too much with that kind of winning percentage. They’re obviously kicking themselves for not making the Amare trade when it was put out there but that’s all in the past. For now though, dude just has to stfu and play ball.

  • T-Money

    BC: Uh? You are saying that LeBron’s actions (destroying the Cavs) should have been enough to respond to Dan’s comments (the letter). While saying that it was okay for Kobe to respond verbally (one more ring) in response to Shaq’s comments (diss song), and not just let his actions do the talking (winning the championship). HOW IS THAT CONSISTENT??? Either you say that both should shut up and play or that both should be allowed to talk. I’m not mad at neither, by the way – don’t know where you got that, I was going by YOUR logic.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    People really don’t like the idea of God punishing anyone except widely agreed.upon scumbags. That is a core issue here.
    LeBron is dumb for writing what he wrote. When something bad happens.to someone saying their punishment is the will of God only opens.the floor for people to say the same about you when bad stuff happens to you. I am sure lebron wont like that.
    Anyway he was wrong, but dammit nobody in that relationship has class. Have we forgotten the performance of.the cave and their.fans when bron returned? Y’all are tripping. They both.suck but I do like bron going rogue.

  • T-Money

    And where is the STILL taking shots coming from? What shot has he taken at Gilbert before this one?

  • mp7three

    Lebron acts like he has a bunch of friends as his support system instead of professional agents/P.R. people to guide him in doing/saying the right things…….oh wait, he does.

  • neaorin

    And I’m to pi$$ed off about last night’s loss to get into the Cavs’ personnel decisions with anyone who hasn’t really followed the team since, well, ever, but the cliffs notes on that are: they tried, but no star player ever wanted to come to Cleveland. Part of that is because, let’s face it, it’s not exactly the most glamorous place on Earth, but LeBron never gave them a long term commitment either. It was always win now or I take my ball and go home. I wonder why the Nuggets didn’t get any true superstar players for Melo either.

  • http://yahoo.com The Ambassador

    Lebron should be in Jersey Shore imagine that.

  • neaorin

    “Everyone will bow down to The King” is something a 15-year-old would say. Just saying.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    T-Money, you seem to conveniently be forgetting that LeBron took his verbal shot at Gilert in GQ over the summer. So allow me to remind you…
    “I don’t think he ever cared about LeBron,” James tells Moehringer. “My mother always told me: ‘You will see the light of people when they hit adversity. You’ll get a good sense of their character.’ Me and my family have seen the character of that man.”
    So yes, he should shut up and just play. Invoking God in his petty and clearly personal beef with the man just makes him look, as Eboy stated, like a scorned b*tch.
    Let it go. Your team is winning and working towards a title and they’re not. You already have the upper hand.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    neaorin your owner Dan Gilbert vetoed an AGREED TOO trade for Amar’e Stoudemire. Tried to bring in old a** veterans who are passed their prime to help is what you should have said. Cuz actual superstars were not on the agenda.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That qualifies as a shot? Dank the bar has been lowered. I thought before this bron had actually avoided taking shots at least until he played in cleveland. He took a lot of shots then.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    That GQ piece was after “The Decision”, no?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    Yes, E, it was. And that’s my point.
    Dan Gilbert, comic sans letter. LBJ, GQ comments. Verbal shots fired on both sides. Done and over with.
    LBJ returns to Cleveland and buries the Cavs amidst MASSIVE hostility. Gilbert gets up and leaves before the final buzzer. Advantage, James. Done and over with.

  • neaorin

    Unconfirmed reports are now apparently sure things. Ah, the world we live in today…

  • http://yahoo.com The Ambassador

    Why can’t everyone in the NBA just get along. In a perfect world Kobe and the Shaq dual would still exist and the Lakers would have defeated the Pistons in 04. Lebron and the Cavs would have defeated the Spurs in 08. Lebron would have made a new deal to stay with the Cavaliers. Bosh would have tookin his talents to Cleveland and Allen Iverson would be getting job offering by a title contender and average 15 and 10 but thats in a perfect world. Ill keep dreaming. :(

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    neaorin, in theory, you could use that same logic about tweet messages that pinpoint no one at all specifically, but that would be universally shot down too.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Again that was a shot? Wow.
    Dude had just called him a quitted and coward. In public. And his response was that he was always told adversity would expose the true measure of people. Hell Dr. King said the.same thing. That wasn’t a shot. Sayingtheir suffering was the result of God’s wrath is a shot. Saying gilbert eposed his true character was just a fact.

  • Zoom

    Justin: All of yoour comments were as ridiculous as Lebron’s Twitter post. I’m not even close to being a Lebron fan, and I think the Decision was tacky but gtfoh with the whole “Lebron owed Gilbert a heads up” bs. An unrestricteed free agent owes NOTHING to his former franchise. Teams rarely give players a heads up when they move them and their families around. But using your logic it’s okay because it’s “one family” affected. That’s just ignorant. As for the punk crybabies calling it classless, you should also stfu. While I disagree with the wording of his post, LBJ had it right. What goes around comes around. Gilbert got embarrassed. Good. Those loser Cavs fan who were bringing up his dad, making threats, and acting CLASSLESS got what they deserved as well. LBJ may be a little immature, but all those people acting like he killed someone are scum. This is coming from a Knicks fan who booed like hell when he came to the Garden. It’s all in fun, but Gilbert and Cavs fans took it too far.

  • TW

    If it’s truly Karma, then it will work both ways. Talent aside, I think Lebron took the low road here – real low. Unprofessional at the very least.

  • neaorin

    I was actually replying to nbk, but since you mentioned Twitter… i’m not a journalist, but I hate seeing things posted on Twitter and then re-twittered and being run with as confirmed facts. This is just sports so it doesn’t REALLY matter in the big picture, but how long until we have some really bad stuff happen because someone posted and off-the-wall speculation on Twitter and everyone took it as fact. Like “insider info” about some mega corporation being bankrupt… or has that happened already.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Yep, BC is sure is done with talking about dude today.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    So it’s only a shot if you use visceral words? Questioning a man’s character and calling him out for it in public doesn’t qualify. OK, I get it now.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    unconfirmed? its documented, he would not include Hickson in the trade so Phoenix backed out.

  • neaorin

    Danny Ferry said that report wasn’t true so I guess someone was lying.

  • Zoom

    Lebron’s GQ comments were on par with Gilbert’s letter? Wow. I’m not even a Lebron fan and I can see very clearly that some of you have something personal against him. I’m really starting to believe he slept with some of your gf’s. I’d suggest that he’d shut up if he said anything else beyond this point because watching the Cavs self-destruct and making public note was the ultimate satisfaction for him. That’s IF he kept going on about the Cavs. For now though–silly wording and all–I’m enjoying seeing him stick it to Gilbert.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    Dark, the occasional “stan” comment from you every once in a while on Dirk or Bogut would be a great reprieve from you always worrying about who or what I’m talking about.

  • neaorin

    nbk: Just as a curiousity, do you consider Delonte banging LeBron’s mom a “confirmed, documented fact” too?

  • Mvp23100

    @Justin
    I don’t think that ring will be an issue in this next six years and he shouldve done both for what to satisfy you he can say what he pleases as long as he backs it up and performs which he’s been doing

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He called lebron a quitted and a coward after touting him as an allntime great and basically kissing his.butt for seven years.
    If a man tellsbyou how great and special you are and then when youbleave his employ blasts you as a.coward and quitted THAT IS REVEALING ABOUT HIS CHARACTER. That is all bron said. Hat he learned somehin about gilberts character. Did he call him a scumbag? Hope. He just said that he learned a lot about who gilbert is by his actions.
    how is that a shot? Do you find it cruel? Disrespectful? Rude?
    Honestly that is what constitutes a shot to me, maybe you have a different definition. What is your definition?

  • http://yahoo.com The Ambassador

    Wait if Karma really does exist what will happen to Lebron. I think Lebron is a believer in Karma so isn’t he worried that in the end he is going to get his to?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    My phone touchpad.sucks balls. Sorry for.the typos.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    “My phone touchpad.sucks balls.” My favorite AllenP line ever!

  • Dagger

    Isn’t this exactly the sort of thing Jordan would have done? And don’t say he’s too classy for that kind of thing – we all saw his HOF speech.

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    Horrible game for the cavs. They play the defending champs without thier two best players and 3 starters and get blown-out by 55. Now they have to put up with this. Wow, talking about kicking a team when they are down. One thing for certain, all those young guys the cavs have (Eyenga, Harris, Samuels, Gee) are going to see a lot of playing time to see if they can improve. I’m not sure how rock bottom a team can go – maybe the Nets from last year? But this has to be just about as close as a team can come.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    When it comes to “character” you could look at it both ways. Did LBJ exhibit himself as a “character guy” by not informing the team of his intentions beforehand? You think that was a cool and classy thing to do? Did that exude professionalism?
    Remember, Chris Bosh got BLASTED for the way he handled things in Toronto, but LBJ gets a pass?
    But had he let the team know sooner instead of keeping them in the dark the whole time, don’t you think that would’ve elicited a different response from Gilbert? I tend to think so.
    I’ve never said that DG exhibited “class” in his actions, but I can certainly see why he was pissed.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    My my, BC the basher’s touchy today. Please proceed with your never ending attempt to prove to us all that LBJ is the antichrist in Nike kicks, with all the inconsistent arguments and the indignation u can muster.
    I’d rather be a fan of players and their game than be on every Lbj post trying to discredit a proven athlete under the guise of standing up for what you perceive as all that is wrong w. Basketball.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    not at all about the delonte thing + I don’t live in a city that had anything to do with it, so me hearing actual facts would be unlikely. If I could find you the report from a suns employee, unless i heard it in a radio interview….either way, the cavs didn’t want to give up Hickson for a non-defensive big with an injury history or something along those lines….and some in the organization thought Jamison was just naturally a better fit next to Shaq. You can find non-confirmed reports that Cleveland turned the trade down everywhere, but as an actual fact i cannot 100% give you proof.

  • Gman

    ppl are too sensitive now days. I like what he said good ole fashion shit.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Irony; being called a “stan” by a guy who writes an MVP article about his favorite player… in January.

  • Chris_Griff_3

    When a one-man team loses that one man, it was obvious what would happen.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    This Darksaber/Bron Crawford brewing rivalry has potential.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall247

    lol @ nbk, you yourself were saying that they should go after Troy Murphy! instead of Amar’e, and now your cussing Cleveland for going after ‘veterans who were past there prime’.
    That’s inconsistency for you.

  • neaorin

    The point is, always consider the source. It’s funny that the Delonte rumor started from a “Cavs employee” as well… only in this case it was a contractor at the arena! And the report was a purported email sent by his nephew – but everyone else took this story and ran with it. Including Cavs fans. A “Suns employee” could have very well been the equipment manager, who thought he heard something… In both cases there were only a handful of people who could have given a credible confirmation, but the Internet generation doesn’t care about that. Such is the world we live in.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m pretty certain that at the time of the Jamison trade, I said that the Cavs should have tried to pry David Lee away from the Knicks. That would have involved Hickson too.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    E: not really, not THAT much of a Bron fan, i like Wade’s game more. The transparent dislike thinly veiled as some sort of b-ball integrity-saving crusade on every heat/lbj post here just got old in a hurry.
    Guess i really gotta bypass all things Heat on slamonline so i don’t need to get into a useless war of words with someone i considered an online buddy.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    I actually said they should have went after Troy Murphy instead of Antawn Jamison. Which I still believe. And I am not saying anything other then Dan Gilbert refused to put Grade-A level talent around LeBron James, unless they were veterans who were already passed their prime

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    bu way to stick together arguments from almost a year ago to try and call me out.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Dark, I’ve got to say, you’re one of the few that always checks me when I start to go into Eboy tangent world, but does it in a way that isn’t insulting and constructive. You’re a veteran here, so your knowledge is kind of airtight. I know you don’t dig Bron that much and usually have some love for Wade and as you’ve seen I’ve begun to warm to Dirk. It’s like a love fest!!!!

  • http://www.nba.com/heat/ The Angel of Stern

    justin, stop talking like a 12 year old, your embarrasing yourself. Lebron had absoloutly no obligation to let the cavs know what he was going to do before his decision. Teams always trade players without giving them a heads up. If your looking for an example of “no class” look no further than what Dan Gilbert did to the franchises most Beloved player (other than Lebron at the time lol) , Big Z, Used him as a pawn in a deal with no regard for his feelings at all.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    “Eboy tangent world”, i like that term. Would be a good name for a console game or something.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    And I love both of you guys!! But when have either of you known me to NOT return fire on a shot taken my way?
    And I’m only viewed as irrational because I downplay LeBron and his abilities.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    yeah BC ain’t so bad when LBJ isn’t involved. But when he is, you sure are a little loopy homie

  • http://www.nba.com/heat/ The Angel of Stern

    to add to my last comment… this just shows that the NBA is a BUISNESS FIRST and its time for Cleveland and Dan Gilbert to try to move on.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!!
    And, he is the king. lol

  • LA Huey

    So will we question and mock everyone who thanks God for good things that happen on the court/field/ice?

  • Sizzle

    @ Bryan Crawford – I am joining this discussion way too late. Back at 11:23 you mentioned it being done and over with when Gilbert walked away after Bron torched the Cavs. If that is the case, why is Crawford still pursuing the tampering claims, hiring lawyers, etc. The war won’t be over for Gilbert/CLE against Bron until A) Cavs win a championship/knock MIA out of playoffs (not likely) B) Miami wins one first (most likely) C) LeBron retires without winning a championship (semi-win for Cleveland). All in All though this just shows that the situation in Cleveland was far worse than the back to back huge winning season showed. The really wasn’t much talent around LeBron in CLE, and there certainly still isn’t any there now.

  • robz

    his the “KING”…give respect

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Like I said, nbk, I’ve accepted the fact that me not considering LeBron to be “great” both personally and within his profession makes me the crazy one around here, and I’m all good with that.

  • http://yahoo.com The Ambassador

    @ The Philosopher the king you cheer on has no rings.
    Long Live King Mbenga of the Congo!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I didn’t know that “I” was pursuing tampering claims against the Heat and hiring lawyers, sizzle. Now THAT would actually put me on a “crusade” against the man and make me crazy for real.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    you aren’t crazy, its not like you called LeBron a witch and weighed him against some wood to see if he can float. you just have an extreme bias

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Actually, nbk, my bias is more EXTREME, than extreme.
    Like I’ve said before, when I saw that dude just straight up diss this kid and snub him for an autograph in the locker room after a game and I saw the dejected look on that kids face afterwards when he put his head down and walked out, I was done with him for good.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Don’t discount Bron’s ability to put together a homemade Lebron James voodoo doll. He has three days to get it right before the Bulls/Heat game!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    That’s the most made up story I’ve EVER heard, Bron! Stop the madness. I know a little boy, he’s 7, he tried to Joakim Noah’s autograph at last years Heat/Bulls game and was told that “Joakim doesn’t sign autographs…..for other teams fans”. He balled his eyes out. Kid threw himself into an alligator pit 2 hours later. True story.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I don’t make things up, E. That’s not my style. And I have that story on record BTW.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    that’s a good reason, never read you say that before, but a good reason nonetheless

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I told that story in one of my game notes from last season when the Cavs played the Bulls.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @The Ambassador:
    Oh, he will most likely get a ring before he finishes.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    hahaha@ eboy. i actually LOL’d at work.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    so your hate for LeBron extends to last season? I wasn’t around as much during the second half last year, but I don’t remember this level of dislike

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Unless it was YOUR son, you’ve lost your mind for real. You do know that Michael Jordan was notorious for no signing things for the stray fan. Neither did Larry Bird. Or Kareem. Or Patrick Ewing. Or Alonzo Mourning. Or Scottie Pippen. Or Shaquille O’Neal. I’m sure there were single incidents when they did, but there is a long history that these guys were/are less than approachable. 3 of them I had PERSONAL incidents with. Life ain’t a Coke commercial, Bron. Mean Joe Greene ain’t walking through that door.

  • Sizzle

    @ Bryan Crawford, my apologies, I meant the esteemed Gilbert and not you. However, it would be hilarious if a fan (or you) attempted to pursue a tampering case. I am actually surprised it hasn’t been done by some of the old Cavs fans.

  • Jackie Moon

    Lebron today: “I don’t even know what Karma means”
     
    from @netw3rk

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Actually, I was never a fan, nbk. Well, at least not a fan once he got to the NBA. I liked him when he was in HS though and even defended him amidst the jersey and the Hummer flaps.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Bryan Crawford:
    Not trying to flame, just trying to be funny.
    Did The King cross you up in a pickup game one day? lol

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bron is definitely more of a Lebron hater than I am a Kobe hater. I at least liked Kobe until the Lakers first title win.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    E, I can’t comment on things that I haven’t seen or experienced personally. But I SAW that.
    And these were not just “stray fans.” First off, they were the grandsons of Bob Love. Secondly, they were KIDS no older than 10-years-old.
    I can’t get behind that. Players snubbing adults for autographs or pics is one thing, but kids? That’s the cardinal sin for any professional athlete.
    And you’re seriously going to defend him on that one? Really?

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    Funny story, my friend’s mother was at a business convention in Las Vegas about ten years ago. She got into an elevator and saw this gigantic man next to her. She looked up at the man and said “wow, you’re very tall. You should play ball!” The man looked down at the woman and said, “I did, professionally.” She smiled and said, “my husband loves the NBA, what’s your name, maybe he has heard of you!” The man chuckled and said “My name’s Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.” My mother’s friend looked puzzled and began struggling to pronounce the name. The tall man just sighed and said “Just tell your husband that Kareem says hi. He’ll know who I am.”
    I don’t really even know why I told the story. It was either that or call someone out and disappear into the night.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    friend’s mother*

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    That’s a cool story, Jukai.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    I’ve either read you say that, or heard a story almost exactly the same. I thought what I heard was about Wilt though

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bron, my personal instances didn’t involve me wanting an autograph.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    And Jordan/Kareem are MASSIVELY notorious for not signing autographs, even if they were children. Notorious.
    Bill Russell was too, but in fairness, those were just white Boston children.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    nbk: Hey, I don’t put it past the kid to lie to me. If you find the story, I’ll call him right out on it!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Do they involve kids? And not just a mob of them, just one.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy
  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    It does.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Also, I have a comment in moderation that should make all the Cav defenders feel really great about the state of the team.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    i’m not callin you a liar at all, that’s just all i could think about when i was reading that story. Are you sure you haven’t said that on here in the past?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Then if you have a problem with those guys as a result, then I completely understand that. But if nothing in you changed towards them, then I wonder about you.
    The way I see it, that may be that kids only chance to meet the person that they admire up close and personal, and then to get treated that way, it’s something they’ll never forget.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    That’s true, when I was like 9-10 i met steve nash, asked him how it felt to be the next “john stockton” he laughed at me for overestimating how good he was and answered honestly saying “i don’t know about that, i just want to be as good as i can” I will never forget that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Yeah, that’s all well and good, but guess what? That still wouldn’t make me blind to how great each of those players were ON THE COURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ON THE COURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ON THE COURT!!!!!! I can call each of them an a*shole but they were all as*holes that kicked ass on a basketball court. And if they treated kids like shit from time to time, that’s on their heads, they have to deal with off-the court actions. Like Kobe. Like Shaq. Like Michael. Like Michael Vick. Like Rothlisberger, etc. etc.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    L.A. Huey
    I think thanking God is cool.
    Saying “God don’t like ugly” when bad stuff happens to people is a tad rude. It might be true, but NOBODY likes it when people say that bad stuff happens they brought it one themselves, or because God was teaching them a lesson.
    I mean, point blank, Bron would be pissed if somebody said that about anything bad that happened to him, or has happened to him.
    I feel like you should treat people how you want to be treated. Golden Rule 101

  • ClydeSays

    Russell had his reasons for not signing. He said that he’d rather have a conversation with a person. If he couldn’t do that, he didn’t want to just sign a piece of paper. He thought that was false and impersonal.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    ClydeSays: That’s… not really why he didn’t sign autographs, man.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’ll defend Bill Russell’s right to snub people seeking autographs until the grave.
    Eff the fans!
    lol

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I had a long comment that vanished. All I know is your fandom should remain centered on a guys ability on the court/field/whatever. We can ALL point to an athlete that f*cked up off the court and counter that he’s a dreg to society, a piece of sh*t, should be neutered, deserves scorn, etc…..but to not give a guy his due as a PERFORMER because of a personal grudge? That makes you a fool, not a hater.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    @nbk: I know you’re not calling me out, but I really wouldn’t be shocked if the kid read the story somewhere and told it to me. Not that I remember him ever lying, but I dunno.
    I may have told it before, I post here obsessionally.

  • Harlem_World

    Hopefully Dan Gilbert will learn from all this. Though I doubt it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    The Cleveland Cavs are remarkably bad. This is certainly a testament to Bron’s greatness, but as with most things around here, it’s been more than overstated. As a collective, Cleveland’s current crop of players clearly aint worth sh*t. But they were legitimately good complements to Bron’s game and each of them were handpicked for that purpose. So to take Bron out of the equation is to see their relative ‘talents’ out of context. And to proclaim that he carried that team by himself is just silly. They contributed, just not enough. And let’s revisit Bron’s comments on karma in May…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If athletes signed autographs for every kid who wanted one, they would sign them all day. Every game, some child goes home disappointed. EVERY SINGLE GAME.
    I mean, if you equate not signing autographs with callousness and cruelty, then EVERY NBA player has been callous and cruel because every player has refused to sign some child’s autograph at one point.
    I think LeBron is an egotistical jerk, but if Bryan is hating on dude because he didn’t sign some kids’ autographs, then he must hate every player in the league. Unless he’s a hypocrite.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    lol truely, its definitely a great story. I have a friend who works as an assistant trainer for the Mariners during spring training, and that’s what Ken Griffey Jr told him, he would rather go to lunch with one lucky fan and have a real conversation then sign an autograph for a bunch of random people

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Then I’ll be a fool for not liking a guy that crushed a little kids feelings then, E. I’m totally fine with that. And while that’s certainly not the source of my dislike, it is what put it over the top.
    I’ve given him his due by acknowledging him as a good player, but that’s where it ends for me. I could care less about what he does on the court or accomplishes in his career. It won’t change my opinion.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    well Allen its a little different if the player refuses the autograph in his own locker room infront of just one kid. that is so totally different then turning down a mob of people. and if he did it right infront of BC i think its more justified then not liking someone because you heard they refused to sign some autograph by some third part witness

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Like I said to Eboy, Allen… I can only comment on what I saw WITH MY OWN EYES. I base my judgements on that.
    If my personal experience makes me irrational or a “hater”, I really don’t care.

  • the nerve

    hates lebron but luv kobe even tho kobe be rapin hoes. whats worse? rapin hoes or clownin some kid? then judges anyone who like lebron. crawford is allowed to be a hypocrite cuz hes god.

  • Harlem_World

    How many autographs signed in a day is considered ‘enough’?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Uh oh!!!!

  • Pugz

    what a joke lebron. karmas coming for your arrogant ass. watch out.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    @Allen: I’d say Russell’s reasons for not signing autographs were five bajillion times more reasonable than Jordan’s and Kareem’s.

  • DEMIGOD

    GOOD ON YA BRON !!! Tell these B!t(#es !! Thats what they get. Oooohh It’s so lovely. Long Live Ya. LONG LIVE YA !!

  • Stillballin

    Lebron got 60 wins for two season with the cavs…last night they couldnt even score 60 points in a game..thats why they call him the king..

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I don’t ever recall being in Kobe’s hotel room that day. And as far as I know, none of us here were there that day either.
    It’s far more hypocritical to be judgmental off of hearsay than on something that you personally witnessed or experienced.

  • Omar

    Nothing at all wrong with what LeBron did. I’d feel the same way if I were him.

  • http://sjfklfsl.com Jukai

    @BC: I mean, by you admitting that because of your distaste for how Lebron acts, you cannot admit to anything more than Lebron is a good player… how can we take ANYTHING you say about Lebron as anything more than irrational hate?

  • DEMIGOD

    BRON made Mo Wills an allstar. Thats what the midget gets.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Kobe settled out of court after the Eagle County incident. Under a corporation name. I’ve read the court documents. You can find them if you know what you’re looking for. It was fodder in the legal community for a minute. This is not new information. I didn’t need to be in the room to see a multi million dollar settlement agreement that included the accusers name.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    It’s not like anyone takes it any other way, Jukai. So your point is?

  • the nerve

    n*9ga still know what kobe did to that hoe. but he cover hisself by sayin “well i wasnt der”. gtfoh. it still hypocrisy. we’ll just call it hypocrist 1.3 or sumthin

  • DEMIGOD

    B Crawfish-Breath . What you say about Bron is irrelevant from this point on ——————————————->

  • http://bulls.com airs

    damn BC, i can’t side with you on this one, i don’t think anyone can. it was ONE instance that, yes, you saw with your own eyes. but im sure he’s signed plenty an autograph for other kids when you weren’t looking. and did he even know those kids were Bob Love’s kids? and even if they were, so what? does that make them any more special than any other kid? to say this is what pushed you over the top to really dislike him is petty. btw, Jordan wouldn’t sign my cousin’s ball outside the Berto center after practice and said “you’d just sell it”.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And when he had that tear-filled press conference and bought that multi million dollar ring for Vanessa, all of which was public purposely, I’m not sure what part of “guilty” someone may have missed.

  • DEMIGOD

    It’s obvious that BC was mollested as a child.

  • http://skdflf.com Jukai

    BC: Touche. Carry on then.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    AND, AFTER ALL THAT, WHILE I HATE THE DUDE, I STILL RECOGNIZE HIM AS THE SECOND BEST 2 GUARD EVER AND STILL IS ONE OF THE TOP 5 PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The kids of a retired NBA player were in the opposing team’s locker room trolling for autographs.
    The opposing superstar turned them down. We don’t know why he turned them down, we have no idea what was going through his mind.
    But, I know he is not the only person to turn down children, in a mob or alone, for autographs. I know that MANY, MANY players will turn down damn near anyone seeking an autograph, and ALL players turn down people seeking autographs sometimes. including children.
    I know that if that incident was enough to push your hatred over the top, then your hatred was already over the top. I know that if you personal feelings about someone are enough to cause you to take irrational positions on their play, then that’s over the top.
    And, I wonder if someone said they hated Derrick Rose because he cheated to gain a scholarship to college, thereby robbing a deserving kid of a scholarship and causing Memphis’ entire season to be wiped from the record, and then said because of that Rose could never be “great” but only “good” if you would think that was rational or just.
    I just can’t understand the autograph thing. There are PLENTY of reasons to think LeBron sucks as a human. PLENTY. The autograph thing feels like a reach to justify a pre-conceived decision.
    And, to let th autograph thing impact how you judge him as a player is going too far. I mean, it makes it impossible to give credence to almost any observation you make about his skills, development or place in League history.
    I think Kobe is a arrogant prick, possible r@pist, and definitely an uninvited anal guest. I think he let his ego and lust to better Jordan break up the Shaq partnership, and that he’s regularly disrespectful to “regular” people.
    That said, he’s a motherfu)cking killer on the basketball court. Ice cold, dagger in your heart killer who is only second to Jordan on the best shooting guard of all-time list.
    See how easy that is?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    It actually pained me to write that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    AllenP just closed the shop, took the title, and burned the building down.

  • LA Huey

    @AllenP, If someone credits a higher power for the outcome of something as trivial as a sporting event, it makes the higher power appear to have a poor sense of priority considering all that happens in the world. I agree with the Golden Rule though (with a slight tweak)

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Man, you guys are taking this WAY TOO FAR now. What started as a normal convo is heading in a direction that I want no parts of whatsoever.
    Somehow, an LBJ discussion ALWAYS reverts to Kobe and his rape allegations, so I’ll let you guys discuss that one amongst yourselves.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    cosign Eboy, twice, AllenP once, and myself for saying, can’t we all just be rational?

  • the nerve

    then he call juks a coward 4 sum dumb shtt. then do the exact same thing he said juk do. cuz hes god. then his idol sh!ts on him. now he gonna come back just 2 try 2 save face. he is so fukkin easy man.

  • DEMIGOD

    HOW COME BC ALWAYS GETS DESTROYED WHEN HE SHOWS UP HERE ? :-)

  • DEMIGOD

    @BC , Allenp Killed You on that 1 !

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    LA Huey – I think crediting a higher power for anything a person does with their free will is trivial. Like say brain surgery, no matter how much god is on your side, there is no way to perform brain surgery without an education. but people thank god instead of brain sergeant’s for a successful surgery anyway. And i would also like to point out, that by definition, Karma does not take effect until your next cycle (life)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Is his idol AllenP?

  • T-Money

    Am I the only one that doesn’t give a eff what these guys do outside the court as long as they’re not breaking any laws? Just checking. / BC: Without being given much context, I’ll tell you that denying an autograph to a kid in the locker room is whack. But if THAT is the reason you don’t like Bron (and it’s pretty obvious that it’s not), would you hate any other superstar for doing the same? I have a feeling that it’s more common than you think.

  • flimo

    Yeah, Karma is a real b**ch..remember that, when you’ll watch the Lakers-Celtics finals on tv – again.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Supposedly, E…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    It may be common, T-Money. But again, I’m only commenting on what I saw. How does that continuously get glossed over?

  • Omar

    @Eboy: Bird, Ewing and Pippen for the win!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    L.A. Huey
    It only makes God appear to have a poor sense of priority if you think God handles multiple tasks like a human being.
    I mean, if you’re an omnipotent, all-knowing, ever present spirit, how the hell could a puny human being comprehend what’s difficult for you?
    Lol.
    I just think people don’t like to imagine God punishing them, or really anybody else by universally agreed upon scumbags.
    And, I also think LeBron is crass because he would hate it if someone blamed his struggles now, or his struggles as a child on the karma that came from his poor decisions, the poor decisions of his staff, or the poor decisions of his mother.
    He would be upset and hurt. So, using that logic, he needs to stop using that crappy karma excuse on other people unless he truly wants to hear the same sort of insensitive stuff about himself.
    (And just because people are already saying cruel things about him doesn’t mean he has to stoop to their level.)

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @nbk:
    Maybe God saved the patient through the surgeon. Maybe the surgeon was acting as an instrument of God.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bron, I think the point most of us have tried to make is that, hey, we all know these cats can be as*holes and if there are true good guys in sports, they should all be beloved, instead of giving love to real-world as*holes. The various examples given this afternoon says that there’s a lot of historic NBA players, past and present, who needed some manners/common sense classes in their upbringings.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    B.C.
    You’re better than this “what I saw” excuse.
    Come on son. We don’t see 99.9 percent of the stuff in this world. Yet we have thoughts on it.
    I don’t see child molesters molest children, but I have feelings on their actions.
    I don’t see abusers beat their wives, but I have thoughts on that.
    I’ve never seen Baron Davis gorge himself on In and Out, but I damn sure have thoughts on it.
    Bottom line, are you really saying that you only have an opinion on behavior that you yourself have seen, and that you will only hold people accountable for the actions that you have seen?
    Please tell me you are not taking that stance.

  • DEMIGOD

    But Karma is a B****. He just talkin the truth thats all.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    And we passed 250+ comments.
    Call me NostraDARKmus.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allen, you keep referring to what other players do, but if I’m not there to witness it, why should I care?
    The first time my son ever met Kevin Durant, KD (and his brother) played basketball with him and took a picture. There was no mob of children, just my son. As a result, my son loves KD.
    His first meeting with DRose, Paul Pierce and others were similar. No mob, just him. And they all treated him well.
    It’s not like I’m THAT important that they would do something like that because it’s me, they just did it and they certainly didn’t have to.

  • the nerve

    lets c what else he try 2 use 2 save face

  • http://bulls.com airs

    cosign @AllenP aaaaall day.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    I ain’t trying to say that.
    I”m saying that if you hate one NBA player for refusing to sign a child’s autograph, in order to avoid hypocrisy, you would almost have to hate every NBA player.
    And if you allow your dislike of someone as a person to prevent you from accurately assessing their performance, then you lack credibility.
    All of us have biases and opinions. Hopefully, we can put aside those biases and opinions to make honest judgements about people and their performances.
    This should be especially true when talking about sports. What Bryan is describing is the sort of behavior that drives many media observers crazy.

  • DEMIGOD

    Allenp . YES HE IS . HE’S JUST AS SMART AS HIS DUMBEST LINK.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    I don’t want to get into a big philosophical convo with you on Slam Philo, i have a feeling we both are educated and have spent a lot of time contemplating the subject, but attributing every person’s life that survives brain surgery to God is the same as saying God equally doesn’t value the lives of those that don’t make it through. Which is also like saying God wanted the Lakers to win the Championship last year and wanted Boston to lose, because God favors some of his creations over others.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Baron Davis and “gorge himself on….” is just so…. fitting.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    BC, i think AllenP’s point flew over your head

    If a plate was scalding, ridiculously hot, and someone told you “don’t touch it, you’ll burn yourself.” would you believe them?

    i think you’d have a 2nd degree burnson your fingers

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    OK, so I lack credibility on LeBron. So what? And by accurately assessing their performance, you mean acknowledging that he is a great player? Perhaps even the greatest ever?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    BC.
    Again, your logic is that if you’re not there to observe distasteful behavior, it does not matter?
    I just want to be certain that I understand your position completely, and I’m curious to know if you apply this same standard to everyone, or just to NBA players.
    Has this always been your standard?
    Does it only relate to signing autographs for kids?
    How do you feel that Bill Russell has readily admitted to turning down EVERYONE who wanted his autograph? kids and cancer patients included.

  • LA Huey

    @AllenP, @nbk, fair enough. Though it would be nice to see someone highlight that their accomplishment was in spite of God.

  • DEMIGOD

    ssssshhh everybody. Allenp is in the process of disecting Brian Crawfords brain. This is tite.

  • DEMIGOD

    BC . Don’t rush it. He’s not the greatest ever yet. He still got a few years to go son.

  • http://skdflf.com Jukai

    “I’ve never seen Baron Davis gorge himself on In and Out, but I damn sure have thoughts on it.”
    Every time Allen is on the verge of aggravating me to the extreme, he comes up with gems of wisdom like this.
    Amazing.

  • LA Huey

    *in spite of the Devil. Or whomever you align yourself against.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @nbk:
    Understood.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allen, I usually make it a point to only judge people or circumstances that I have personal experience with.
    Are there bad people out there or bad things that happen, sure? Do I concern myself with it emotionally or otherwise? No, not at all.
    Did I think the autograph thing was bogus? Sure I did. Did I feel a certain way about that? Absolutely. But I was there.
    That has always been my standard. If I’m not there, I don’t really care.
    That doesn’t mean that I’m devoid of sympathy or empathy, but unless I see it or it affects me directly, I tend not to care as much.

  • Zoom

    I used to think Crawford made rational points here but today, for the first time, I actually see not only his hypocrisy but his irrational hate of Lebron. I’ve actually had the (dis)pleasure of meeting Kobe twice. He not only was a jerk to the people around him trying to HELP him, but his arrogance was on full display. The he acted you’d think the guy cured cancer instead of putting a sphere through a hoop. I’ve never met Jordan but my older brother said he has. He told me his demeanor was similar to Kobe’s. My point is that if you can dislike one athlete for being a jerk then you may as well dislike them all. Either that or take a similar approach to my own: STOP LOOKING UP TO ATHLETES. Appreciate what they do on the field or court and leave it there.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    No, I mean accurately assessing their performance as a player.
    You said that dude didn’t sign the kids’ autograph, and you were done with him for good.
    And right before that you said you didn’t think he was great as a player or as a person.
    Maybe I made a mistake. Maybe you weren’t ssaying that he could never be great because of the autograph thing, but that’s how it read in the flow of the conversation.
    Personally, I think dude is great. I think that he still has several areas to improve upon, but I think that right now, he’s great. I’m making a top five best players in the league list, he’s in the top three.
    Since you’ve never explained what a player has to do to be great, then I guess we don’t know who fits the category. Who is “great” in today’s NBA?

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Oh i didn’t mean to say that as like a matter of fact Philosopher, that seemed a little rude, I was just trying not to turn Slam into a big philosophy class, and I am not at all saying i’m right, just my opinion.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    B.C.
    Well, we clearly have different ideas about what concerns us or what moves us.
    Like, I am deeply emotionally pained by the abuse of children whether I witness it or not.
    I still get really, really angry about the injustice visited upon black folks in this country even if I wasn’t even alive when it most of it happened.
    I have seen NBA players, including LeBron, refuse to sign autographs and I thought “He’s a bit of jerk, oh well.”
    One, that was unfair of me because I automatically assumed it was the player’s job to sign autographs. It’s not. It’s his job to play basketball. Two, I never thought much about it, even when I’ve seen kids get shot down. In fact, in recent years, I’ve wondered what the hell is so special about a signed piece of paper from a freaking athlete?
    I guess, in my adulthood, I have transitioned to thinking of NBA players as simply human beings who play basketball exceptionally well. Like mindblowingly well. That’s it. That’s all they are. I like to watch them do their jobs, I find it thrilling to see them compete, but that’s it.
    So, I could care less if they don’t sign people’s autographs, particularly if I don’t know their reason for not signing it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Can I answer for Bron, Allen? Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah. If it’s not, I’ll be deeply disappointed.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh, and I assumed that your credibility would be important because you’re a media member. You write opinion columns, you post your opinion in the comment section.
    As a media member, you credibility is an important coin if you’re trying to convince people to a certain way of thinking, or even just have them respect what you think.
    Hell, as a human being I think your credibility is important. If someones says their personal feelings about someone impacts their ability to accurately assess their performance, then you have to wonder how their personal feelings impact their other assessments. If your hatred of LeBron colors how you view his talent and performance, then how does your appreciation of Derrick Rose affect your assessments of him as a player?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    My own “personal” opinion is that LBJ isn’t great. Now, removing that “bias” and viewing him objectively as a basketball player, I would say that he was very good basketball player while being an extraordinarily GREAT athlete given his size, strength and ability.

  • http://skdflf.com Jukai

    I once saw Gary Payton in New York City. He was walking with a bunch of people. I saw him and he saw me and realized I knew who he was, and he nodded. I nodded back. I felt great about myself.
    That was actually one of the very few NBA stars I’ve met in real life. Dwight Howard, Luke Walton, and Scottie Pippen round up the rest. Marbury once answered a boatload of questions I threw at him in a live chat once, so I FEEL like I met him.
    I’m really bored today.

  • T-Money

    co-sign zoom the fullest on the last two sentences. get a grip, folks. / bc is at best irrational and at worst completely crazy when discussing bron. stepping out of this convo, it is what it is.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @nbk:
    Do not worry, my friend. It is all peace.
    I am not trying to turn SLAM into some philosophy class, either.
    At least, not today, anyway. lol

  • http://skdflf.com Jukai

    BC: so uh, his size, strength and ability don’t factor in to him as a basketball player? You know, the late great Jerry West said that he felt that Kobe was a more SKILLED player, but when you look at a basketball player, you have to take in things like speed and strength and leaping ability. When you factor those things in, Lebron became a better basketball player than Kobe.
    Of course, then Kobe won a second ring and Lebron quit against the Celts and West changed his mind when Magic Johnson asked him. But I digress. Just cause you don’t think Lebron is as talented, that should not factor in when judging him as an overall basketball player.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    one thing that i refuse to believe about your hate about LeBron bryan is that you would be this outspoken if he had spurned cleveland for chicago. you might still not like him, but i highly doubt considering your equally extreme bulls bias that you would be saying these things if the situation was different.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Allenp: profiler.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Jerry West is dead, Allen?

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    haha i see you philo

  • http://skdflf.com Jukai

    hahaha I have no idea why I pretexted Jerry West with “late.” I meant he was an old legend.
    I like Jerry West, I wish him a long life!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    nbk, I try not to bring that to fruition to Bron, cause you know, he’d take his talents back to Illinois and we’d never hear hide or hair from him again.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    When I look at a basketball player, I mostly take into account their technical abilities because for as much as the game is about athleticism, it is equally about mastery of the fundamentals.
    Where most people would rank LeBron ahead of Kobe due to his phenomenal athleticism, I would give Kobe the edge solely on the fact that he’s mastered the fundamentals of the game.
    Kobe can still be effective late into his career because of this. If LeBron were to all of a sudden lose a few notches on his athletic ability today — and I acknowledge that as unrealistic — would he still be able to dominate the way that he does? No.

  • DEMIGOD

    Brian it’s simple give Bron 5 more years he will better his game. Kobe won’t .

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Kobe is no longer “dominant”. For a quarter or an occasional game he can be, but that’s not even fair to Kobe to try and prop him up as dominant. He was dominant 5 seasons ago. He is still great, but he’s not throwing up 40 pt games when he wants to, a 50 point game almost seems out of his reach today. His athleticism has diminished enough where getting “dominant” performances from a guy with that many miles and nagging injuries keeps him from that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Plus, playing for the team he’s on doesn’t necessarily revolve around him having to be dominant for his team to be great.

  • T-Money

    bc: your question is misleading. he wouldn’t dominate like he does now but kobe doesn’t dominate like he did when he had legs either. that’s a whack question. and loss of athletic abilities are not sudden like that. his mid-range game is very adequate right now and even though you guys don’t want to see it, i watch every miami game and he goes on the block now. he would still be 6’8-6’9 and about 260. he would still be the best non-pg passer in the league by FAR. he would still be perfectly ambidextrous with an uncanny ability to convert at the rim. he would still have tremendous feel for the game and bball IQ. my guess is that lebron will be a full-time 4-man in his 30s. and he’ll still be one of the best players in the league.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    So I will concede that LeBron is a great athlete. Probably the greatest athlete to ever play in the NBA.
    But as a basketball player, in terms of the way that I evaluate players based on fundamentals, he leaves a lot to be desired and is therefore just good in my book.
    Is that fair? Rational? Can everyone live with that assessment or is that still too biased and irrationally hating?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    if LeBron is only second to Kobe, how can he not be great?
    I mean, it’s KOBE!

  • JTaylor21

    BCrawford is a fuuny dude. He sits here and complains about how bron is not a great player and that he is good only because of his great athletic abiltity then he has the nerve to write a article praising and gloating about DRose’s greatness. I mean come-on son, they both possess the same kind of basketball skills but he praises Rose more because he allegedly saw Bron turn down a kid look for a autograph. What the hell does that have to do with assessing ones abilities. You write for a freaking basketball mag, try to be unbiased for a second.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Again, who is great?
    If Bron is not great, Kobe has to be the only great player in the league, right?
    You don’t really believe Durant or Wade is better than Bron, do you?
    Do you?

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    Bryan are you saying LeBron doesn’t deserve his 2 mvp’s?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Yes, I think Kobe is a great player because I feel that the truly “great” players have exhibited a mastery of the game and he’s done that.
    And no, I don’t think that DWade or KD are better than Bron, but I don’t consider those guys to be great players either.
    Like I said, LeBron is a great athlete and a very good basketball player.

  • http://slamonline.com tina

    Wow, when did this comments section get into Lebron is only second to Kobe. I must have missed alot today. Why is it that when people try to argue with BC about Lebron they bring in Kobe, isn’t his favorite team the Bulls?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Did I ever say that he didn’t deserve his 2 MVP’s?

  • JTaylor21

    I mean I’m not the biggest Kobe fan on here and I don’t really like dude’s ability to photocopy everything someone else created but I still regard the man as an all-time great and a top-5 SG. I mean how hard is it to seperate your personal feelings about a player from what he does on the court? Damn, you make adrian wojnarowski sound like a pulitzer prize winner.

  • http://sfdlsf.com Jukai

    Bryan: UH, if you don’t mind me asking, if Wade/Lebron/Durant aren’t great players.. who ARE the great players in today’s game?

  • http://sfdlsf.com Jukai

    JTaylor: Uh, calling Bryant a top-5 sg and not a top-3 sg is a tinge on the haterade side. I mean, Jordan is better, but the only other person you can make half a reasonable argument is West. What exactly have Iverson/Gervin/Drexler done to be COMPARED to Bryant?

  • Jackie Moon

    A personal account of playing a video game with Kobe Bryant.
     
    http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/f0mk9/hey_reddit_i_can_honestly_say_i_beat_kobe_bryant/
     
    See user “FallenFusion”‘s comments, he is the original poster.
     
    No one was r**ed or harmed during the process!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’ve given my definition of “great” and I’d be interested in hearing everyone else’s.
    I tend to think the word is thrown around so freely these days that it’s become ambiguous.

  • JTaylor21

    So now Kobe is the ONLY great player in the entire league? I mean come on be real and quit with the shenanigans. So being a great passer, a very good rebouder, a great defender, and a great leader doesn’t count when judging ones greatness? Oh well, I guess that scoring is all that matters in the Kobe/AI era.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    no but i feel like if your going to be better then (30 x 12 = 360) 360 people at something and voted as such by those in the “know” 2 straight years you better be pretty great at it…..unless of course you wouldn’t think you were great at something if you beat 360 of the other BEST professionals in the world at a writing contest or something comparable..please

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    there’s 7 billion people in the world, and LeBron James in INARGUABLY one of the top 3 basketball players walking the face of the earth. Your definition of great must be just a step below godly

  • http://akflf.com Jukai

    Your definition of great is a top-tier NBA player who is fundamentally near perfect, without factoring in too much in terms of athleticism?
    Bill Walton is greater than Shaq and Chamberlain and Moses Malone, Tim Duncan is a top-3 player of all time. Bill Russell sucked. Mark Eaton could not make the NBA.
    Sorry, the hyperbole wasn’t needed. It’s fun though!!!!

  • JTaylor21

    Juaki, by Top-5 I mean that he’s any where from 2-5 on my list because you have to include guys like Adrian Dantley, D-Wade, and Jerry West. To be more specific, Kobe’s the 3rd greatest SG of all-time behind MJ and West but ahead of Wade/Dantley/Drexler/AI.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/Uncle05Sam Earl

    Where your former superstar making fun of you happens!! :)

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I never said that I discounted athleticism completely, I said that I don’t give it as much weight as a lot of you guys seem to.

  • http://akflf.com Jukai

    JTaylor: Dantley played SF his entire career. But yeah I feel you on it all but eh, Bryant is better than West.

  • JTaylor21

    BC, so all-around ability doesn’t count in your definition of “greatness”? I mean isn’t playing defense, rebounding, getting open shots for your teammates factors in determing one’s greateness. Coming from an undercover Kobe fan, I wouldn’t expect you to share the same views.

  • Hussman25

    If there is such a thing called “Karma”, God does Bron one better and shreads his knee for mocking Cleveland… Now, that’s karma!

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    the only thing on the basketball court i personally give weight to, winning, production, efficiency, consistency. So far, LeBron is better then everyone else at 3 of those things….and we all know winning (real winning, you know where you get a ring) takes time

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    This comment section got hit with poor karma about a half an hour ago.

  • JL

    so really karma will get back to you lebron, for leaving the city that loved you and your team. maybe wade and bosh will leave you too after you. is he sure he wants to wish for karma?

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, Dantley defended SFs but I think he was probably a true SG. Also I believe that JWest was sligtly better than Kobe, he was a better scorer (27ppg to 25ppg) a better defender (the first year steals were recorded which was his last year, he avg. 2.6spg), a better passer (6.7apg) a better rebounder, he went to 9 freaking finals and is the only player to win finals MVP on a losing team (avg. 40ppg,5rpg,5apg. I mean kobe has never dominated a playoff series like that and west upped his RS numbers in the playoffs (29/5/6) which means that he really came up big in big games while Kobe’s playoff avgs are on par with his RS numbers. Also he’s the logo, Jukai, the freaking logo.

  • Mia

    Bryan Crawford if you do not like Lebron for not signing an autograph for a kid, then you do not like Kobe Bryant either. He rejected a kid and an old lady at the Wynn casino in Las Vegas when they were practicing for the Olympics. He got of the hotel elevator and the young kid asked him for an autograph and the old lady just said hello to him and he turn around and got back on the elevator. It was only about 4 people in the hall way.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Great is great.
    By your definition, there is only one great player in the league today.
    Hell, there have only been a handful of “great” players in basketball period.
    Honestly, I’m curious about what Derrick Rose would have to do to become great?

  • Fat Lever

    Lebron and Zuckerberg should just team up and take over the world. Seriously.

  • the_baller20

    bron WAS the Cavs, he meant everything to that organisation and without him they are nothing. So… I really don’t know how the f*ck this is karma. please let me know lebron.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Mia, I wasn’t at the Wynn in Las Vegas on that elevator when that happened.
    My own personal experience with Kobe has been pleasant and that’s all I can really speak on.
    And for the record, I don’t hold NBA players to any sort of obligation to sign or pose for pictures with people, I just didn’t like what I saw in THAT particular situation. I didn’t think it was cool and if anybody has seen something similar happen and felt the same way, then we’re on the same page.

  • http://akflf.com Jukai

    JTaylor: Dantley played from a few feet inside the three to the post, he was a slasher, had a great midrange, lots of pump fakes, but he also loved the post. Sounds a lot like a SF. I mean, I’m 100% positive he PLAYED the small forward position for 90% of his career, so at this point it’s just debating if he played out of place, sort of like how people debate if Duncan was really a center. Dantley’s game was a bit unusual for BOTH a two and a three, so I’m just gonna consider him a three.
    West wasn’t a better scorer. That’s silly. West came into the NBA at the age of 22, Kobe at the age of 18. West had all of college to hammer out his offense (although he did have to adjust to being a guard instead of a forward) while Kobe was thrusted right into the fire. If you look at both of them from 22-32, you will see Bryant has the edge on West 28 to 27. West also played in an era where there were far more possessions than there were today, so his stats are a bit broadened (I don’t adjust for pace too much, but it must be noted). West was a fantastic off-ball defender, an amazing ball-thief. He was also a noted iso defender, but not as great as Kobe. Defense is a wash. West definitely has the edge in passing, West could have been a legit one guard with his court vision. Rebounding is tough: West did average more rebounds and had a RIDICULOUS vertical, but he was only 6’2 and Bryant is 6’8… Bryant is gonna outrebound West.
    I mean, judging from all that, you could say skillwise they are pretty even. So you have to look at other things, like accolades and championships. West has 9 finals appearances but Kobe has friggin 7 of them, that’s not too shabby… and Kobe has a championship lead 5-1. You can’t really dock Kobe too much for having Shaq for three, since West’s lone championship’s trophy went to his buddy Wilt Chamberlain. That’s why I give the edge to Bryant.
    Still, you brought up some great points with some great evidence, and I’m sure you’ll rebuttal a bunch of my points in your response. That’s better than lets say, oh, deciding West was better because he gave more autographs.

  • Krisjanis

    damn, so much comments, but:
    LeBron on Lakers three-peat this year: “Karma is a b****”

  • vtrobot

    LBJ f*cked over the cavs first, not the other way around. the “king” is the one who’s got the bad karma coming. hope it will be a b*tch, beeotch.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allen, what is your definition of great since you keep probing me for examples.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    I just think it is funny that Heat fans can say these things about the Cavs, when a few seasons ago they were the laughing stock of the NBA. If you took Wade/Lebron/Bosh off the Heat and replaced them with 3 scrubs the Heat would be just as bad if not worse than the Cavs are right now.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Matter of fact, in your MVP piece you equated the MVP with being the best player in the league, then you say that LeBron isn’t the best player in the NBA. And you’ve said that LeBron deserved his MVPs.
    I’m all confused. The MVP is the best player in the League, Derrick Rose isn’t great now, but if he wins the MVP he’ll be the best in the league, even though Kobe is the only great player in the League, since there is no player outside of Kobe who can legitmately be considered better than LeBron.
    Hell, not only Kobe the only great player in the game today, over his career, who else has been great?
    Shaq was an athletic freak, so was Garnett. Iverson was too. Kidd couldn’t shoot, Nash doesn’t play defense.
    I can only see Tim Duncan as great in this decade by your reasoning. Is that correct?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Well, great is like art and porn, you know it when you see it.
    I think that being extremely skilled or talented in multiple areas, and being able to use those skills or talents to help your team win games.
    LeBron is great, to me, because he is an exceptional passer, a very good rebounder, an outstanding ball handler for a small forward, a very good defender, and a very good, if not great scorer. It doesn’t matter to me so much why he’s all of those things, or if it’s only because of his genes. He is all of those things, which makes him great.
    Will he be great in 7 years, I don’t know. But right now, he’s great.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    I really wanna know bryan, if for 2 years in a row, a person was voted, best journalist out of a group of 350+ that are considered the best in the world would you not consider them great? isn’t the only way to define greatness by comparing whatever it is to that of others?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m starting to think that BC is just an attention who*e!!!!

  • JTaylor21

    Jukai, I’ll give the edge to Kobe having 5 chips to West’s 1 but I would bet that if Kobe had to go against the greatest teams of all-time in the 60s Celtics and the ultimate “team” in the 70Knicks, he would be hard-pressed to come away with one let alone five rings. I could see why you would pick Kobe over west but in my case, west was the more dominant player esepcially in the playoffs and finals which is why he was named Mr. Clutch.

  • T-Money

    BC: funny that Bryan got painted into a corner and now refuses to admit that, by his definition, Kobe is the only great player in the league. LOL. / What bothers me is that whenever people talk about fundamentals and versatility, they’re just talking about offensive repertoire. LeBron is better than Kobe at passing, rebounding and defending and not as good at scoring (ALTHOUGH HE HAS THE THIRD HIGHEST CAREER SCORING AVERAGE BEHING ONLY WILT AND MICHAEL). Somehow that doesn’t make him a complete player. Isn’t it crazy that a guy averaging 28 ppg for his CAREER is not known as a scorer? I’m not even debating BC here. (he’s a crazy person, everyone knows Bron is great at basketball).

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Actually, I equated the MVP award with being a popularity contest with individual and team success being factored into the equation, Allen, even though it is given to whoever is deemed the best player in that particular season, and I acknowledged as much.
    And no, Kobe isn’t the only great player in the NBA still playing, that was just me pissing people off. But when comparing Kobe to LeBron, based on fundamental mastery, I feel that one is great and the other is just very good.

  • JTaylor21

    ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT KOBE WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER THAN THE QUEEN & ADAM MORRISON WILL ALWAYS HAVE MORE RINGS THAN THE QUEEN

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    HAHA reason is tough, logically using your reason without contradicting yourself, seemingly impossible.

  • JTaylor21

    I’M RIDING WITH B.C. SUCKERS!!!!!

  • JTaylor21

    DID I MENTION NEW ORLEANS IS A SORRY CITY?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Great a combination of skills and talent that produces amazing results.
    That’s LeBron.
    His skills and talent make him great right now.

  • JTaylor21

    DID I MENTION THAT EBOY IS A LEBRON NUT SUCKER?

  • JTaylor21

    OOPS, SO AM I LOL

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    did crawford stumble upon Taylor’s info?

  • JTaylor21

    I WAS A CAVS FAN LAST YEAR, GO HEAT!!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kobe may not be the only great player in the League, but he must be the only wing.
    Otherwise, I’m going to need to hear which wing players are better than LeBron besides Kobe.
    Wade is off the list, so is Durant. Who else is there even on that level?
    You said MVP was popularity contest, but you also equated it with being the best player in the league.
    And said Rose was going to win it.
    So, is Rose going to win it because he’s really popular, or because he’s the best player in the League?

  • http://Www.dimemag.com Royal

    Is CP3 a great player by your logic Bryan?

  • JTaylor21

    T-Money, I’ve never understood that logic. I mean people claim that AI and Kobe are all-time great but don’t feel the same way about bron’s scoring ability even though his career PPG avg is higher than anyone not named MJ/Wilt. In other sports fans don’t do the same, look at football; Peyton and Marino are considered great passers based on their numbers, same with baseball where Bonds/Ruth/Aaron are considered the greatest homerun hitters based on their numbers, same goes with Hockey where gretzky’s considered the greatest goal-scorer based on his numbers. Only in basketball do fans ignore numbers when they don’t back up their “favorite” player.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Ok Allen, since your word seems to be law around here, I’ll go by your definition of greatness and concede that LeBron is a great player — in spite of his fundamental flaws — if you’ll concede that by your definition, Derrick Rose is a great PG.
    Deal?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    nbk, I don’t impersonate.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Excuse me, that Rose deserved to win it, not that he was going to win it. Sorry about that.
    Anyway, I think you’ve just decided that LeBron can’t be great, not matter what, and you’re going to stick by that just to be stubborn.
    Nobody said you had to list him as the greatest of all time, or even say he’s better than Kobe. But, calling him great shouldn’t be such a stretch.
    Considering every thing he does well, whehther it’s because he’s athletic or skilled, he’s great.
    I mean, was Dominique “great” or just very good?
    Was Scottie great? How much of his dominance was due to his amazing physical gifts?
    What aboout Dr. J?
    Bill Russell?
    Elgin Baylor?
    All of those players had some issues with fundamental skills in basketball.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allen, come on now, when I did positively say that Rose was going to win it?

  • JTaylor21

    I’m guessing that the moron who’s using my name is probably either the seed, kap or one of the many kobetards that roam this site. It’s all good though, it’s nice to know that people live vicariously through me.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I ain’t the king of the comments.
    You don’t have to agree with me.
    You believe what you believe.
    I was just trying to get an understanding of what you believe like I do with everyone.
    From my vantage point, you despise LeBron and therefore any compliment of him must be muted and accompanied by a shot at him.
    Jukai would argue that I feel the same way about Nash, but he’d be wrong.
    Anyway, I asked you all those questions to get a better understanding of why you think what you think, not because I wanted you to think like me. In my opinion, people should be able to explain what they believe and why, and it should follow some sort of logic.
    That ain’t law, just my preference.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    i apologize Crawford, your the only person JT consistently “goes at” on the boards that I see in attendance, won’t make that mistake again.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Thanks, y’all. Reading these comments during my lunch hour was pretty enjoyable. Even if I was only able to get through like, 200 of them.

  • T-Money

    BC: LOGIC seems to be the law around here. Your trade off makes zero sense as LeBron and D-Rose’s production are not related at all. Seriously, I think you should drop this convo. You’ve been saying the most ridiculous ish. Just re-read your comments, dude. I’m sorry, you rethoric has been hot garbage today. This is not a knock on you but on your comments. (part of me thinks you’re just trying to rile people up for sh-ts and giggles)

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Look, in the interest of transparency, it’s really not THAT hard for me to acknowledge LeBron as being a great player. Since I’ve been called out for being stubborn, which admittedly I am to the point of being called an irrational hater, yes, I do think that LeBron James is a great basketball player.
    That said, it doesn’t mean that I have to like him, or fawn and gush over him like you guys seem to do on the daily, but keeping it centered on the court, I can’t deny his “talents” even though I think his fundamentals are atrocious.
    I’ve been around this game my entire life and I can’t say that I’ve ever seen anyone quite like him. Yes, he is a very special, once in a generation kind of player and as someone who considers himself to be a basketball mind, it’s foolish of me to keep trying to deny that.
    I’m more than capable of separating my biases from reality.
    I happen to think that Kobe Bryant is a better player based on personal preference, but once he’s gone, there’s no question that barring injury, LeBron is going to be the most dominant force in the game.
    I still don’t like him, but there, evidence that Bryan Crawford can actually be a rational and unbiased individual.

  • JTaylor21

    Why is it that people think that scorers are the only great players. I mean where did it all go wrong at? Wasn’t it in the 80s that Bird and Magic were praised for being great team players and were lauded for their stellar all-around ability. Then came along MJ and his score first mentality which sprouted the me-first generation led by Kobe and AI. That’s probably why people fail to give guys like TD his props of being the greatest player of this era due to him not being a me-first guy. I mean when someone thinks that a player is not great becuase he feels that said player lacks fundemental scoring skills even though he’s probably the best all-around player since Magic, you know something is wrong.

  • Zoom

    Now I can respect that. I feel the same way about Kobe as Crawford does about Lebron but I can NEVER deny Kobe’s greatness. To say that he is anything less than a top 3 sg is to be an irrational hater. I think Lebron is an arrogant, spoiled, pampered player but the hate he gets is ridiculous. People act like the guy commits a crime anytime he does or says something. He may be immature but he doesn’t deserve the level of hate that gets thrown his way.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    apropos to nothing, i just want to point out that when Lebron declared on TNT that he was gonna change his jersey number last year, not only was Jordan in attendance, the game was also played in Miami.
    carry on this amusing convo we have today…

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Emiddleagedman wins with ‘suck it trebek’. ….. Crawfords stance that he only really cares about what he sees(not read, heard, etc), is ….well… Retarded.

  • JTaylor21

    BC, we don’t believe you, you need more people. You sounded like Jared Loughner was behind you when you typed out that comment.

  • DeeDre

    Seriously, you can make an argument that Lebron was in a lose-lose situation. The media makes it seem like everyone loved this guy before “The Decision” (see Kobe fans), and thats not the case at all. I was one of the only Lebron fan i knew his last year in Cleveland. I know that he has way more enemies now but im glad that Lebron made the decision to leave. Lebron would still be hated worldwide. If Lebron left, which he did, people would call him weak, coward and all the other names they are now and he would never be on Jordan’s level because Jordan would never do that blah blah blah. But if he wouldve stayed, people would talk about how selfish he is and how that proved all he cares about is himself and how we wants to be in the spotlight at all times. They would say he passed up his best chance to win a championship by being a self centered jerk. He couldnt win. People almost never mention the fact that he took millions of dollars less to play with Miami. Just a thought

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Whatever, JT… and the Loughner thing, come on son, have some respect.
    That wasn’t cool…

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    JTaylor not a good joke. Lets not bring something like that up as a comparison, or comedic anecdote or whatever, its inappopriate

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    B.C.
    I love Derrick Rose’s game. It’s not really hard for me to compliment him at all.
    I think he’s great, but still not better than Cp3 or Dwill. He has room to grow for sure, but he’s great.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allen,
    I can honestly say that I wouldn’t want to have anyone besides DRose running the show in Chicago.
    I don’t think that DRose is better than CP3, but I do think that he’s right there with DWill though.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Props to crawford at 435. ….. emiddleagedman at 403, youre just now figuring that out.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    uh oh, lol…bc just committed the ultimate, get allen to ultra debate move, putting Deron Williams below CP and on Rose’s level….this may never end for you

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, I’m cool. I ain’t doing it anymore.

  • JTaylor21

    Have some respect for who? So I should respect a lunatic that went loco and killed a bunch of people? It’s not like I used the lady’s name. So if I used Lee harvey oswald’s name, you people would be offended also? Stop with the bs and grow some cojones.

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    If people ain’t talking about you, or hating on you, then you ain’t doing nothing. That’s my philosophy….

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    JTaylor, even you aren’t THAT dumb. Come on, son… The inference was inappropriate.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    it wasn’t even a week ago duesche, and people reading this page maybe close to the situation, making light of it, even when trying to make someone sound bad, is not cool. grow a conscience, and use your cojones to for once, accept your wrong and not defend yourself

  • JTaylor21

    I still don’t get what was so offensive about what I said. So you’re telling me that using a killer’s name as a joke is offensive to you guys? What if I said that Ted Bundy was behind you, would that be offensive also? I mean come on, that is what is wrong with America today; people get mad at the most irrelevant thing but when it comes to something that they need to speak up about, they are quieter than a church mouse. With that being said, I’m sorry if I offended y’all because I don’t want “karma” to come up me.

  • http://valleyofthesuns.com/2011/01/07/amare-stoudemire-same-player-advanced-stats/ nbk

    try and understand the difference between something that happened 5 days ago and something that happened 20 years ago, just try. and stop making f’n jokes about it, or karma or anything. whatever that’s it for me today, have a good one fellas

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Arash Markazi: Does Kobe feel any sympathy for the Cavs after beating them by 55 points? “None. You forget who you’re talking to. I feel for Byron

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ty Lawson: Man… Dragic jus couldnt handle gettin cooked out there on the court… got all in his feelings.. I love it Twitter

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LeBron James: Ok Coach Brown. Looking good on NBA Fast Break. U look much better on the sidelines though. Great coach, great man. He’ll be back! Twitter

  • derby

    people …almost 100 COMMENTS ,is he really THAT IMPORTANT?

  • derby

    Damn i meant 400…
    eh 400??

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    LeBrons right never wish bad upon nobody!

  • derby

    400!

  • ErnieD

    If only they’d had Leon Powe.

  • buzzkut

    Yes, Gilbert acted like a clown, and that whole letter was inexcusable. But this is just another example of James being an immature baby, and I’m sick of it already. The guy is a prima donna attention whore. He should have forgotten about Cleveland already, but apparently he’s still flogging that dead horse. It’s pathetic.

  • Justin

    Zoom, you’re damn right he owed the organization a heads up. It’s called being professional. Yes, he did great things for that team and the organization but it wasn’t like he didn’t get paid a hell of a lot of money to do it either. Listen, I’m not condoning what the Cleveland fans or owner have said either. I never said there was class in what they did either (Christ a lot of you people just have tunnel vision and don’t actually read what people write) but Lebron started this whole mess with “the Decision”. Hell, even Eboy finally admitted it was the wrong way to go and do you know how hard it is to get that guy to say anything remotely disparaging about Lebron now? lol

  • al

    I hope he tweeted in Sans Times, or whatever crab font D.gilbag used.

  • KwamePooh

    that showed as much class as gilbert. im a cavs fan. i think gilberts comments were stupid but this one is at well. and he aint no villain. like they said on espn now after 30 wins and the cavs worst team in the league he acting tough.
    and of course the cavaliers suck right now. i mean they lost the two time mvp. what are you expecting…

  • RobbieJay

    only lebron could start a 400 comment arguement…

  • Jackie Moon

    404th!

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    LeBron will never score as many points as Wilt Chamberlain.

  • Justin

    Ugh…uhhh he’s already over halfway there. You really don’t think he’s going to get there?

  • Zoom

    @Justin: I didn’t say the “Decision” was ok. I thought it was tacky and self-centered. There is a difference between me hating that stupid special and me saying he owed them a heads up. He didn’t owe the Cavs sh*t. Being professional has NOTHING to do with it. His monetary compensation has NOTHING to do with it. He played out his contract. He was technically no longer a Cavs employee. That’s what it means to be an unrestricted free agent. Teams don’t always give players the heads up when they trade them, so using your logic ALL owners and GMs are unprofessional. People like you are the same hypocrites who probably criticize college kids for changing their minds about what schools they want to go to, while saying nothing about the coaches who switch jobs at the drop of a hat. The players are NOT the property of these organizations. They have a right to make whatever decisions they want, however they want to make them as dictated by the collective bargaining agreement.

  • http://yahoo.com The Ambassador

    Man it’s sad that alot of you guys talk sh*t about Kobe like if you guys went to high school with him and he bullied you around and made your life miserable. Man I know he and Shaq had there issues and he had a affair with a girl but to insult a man with his mistakes that regrets is sad.

  • http://ZOGS.COM ZOGS

    MAN IF I WERE LEBRON I WOULD JUST STFU THE WORLD HATES HIM ENOUGH RIGHT NOW, AND I HONESTLY WAS READY TO FORGIVE HIM BECAUSE I TRULY THOUGHT LEBRON WAS FEELING BAD AND WAS SINCER IN HIS APOLOGY TO CLEVELAND
    I THOUGHT WRONG!
    KARMAS A B****H LE BRICK

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Preach zoom, preach.

  • Zoom

    Some of us have actually seen Kobe’s sh*tty personality up close. Nothing sad about disliking him except the fact that he was such a jerk in the 1st place.

  • http://yahoo.com The Ambassador

    Man I hate when people bring up stats to describe a player and compare them to others. That being said if you would take out the 2 seasons Kobe didnt start his PPG would be much higher. This being said I would take Kobe in his prime rather than Lebron that still in his prime. Most of you act like if Lebron is a better passer than Kobe and dicounts Kobes passing ability which really doesnt show because of the triangle.

  • Justin

    Zoom, I’ll say the same thing to you that I did to Eric. I’m sorry, but you’re an idiot. It 100% is being professional! Do you even know what being professional is? I’m guessing you don’t. And of COURSE monetary compensation has something to do with it. WTF are you even talking about in dismissing this stuff? A player of Lebron’s calibre has to know (or maybe he doesn’t) what his decision is going to do to the organization, the city, his teammates, and fans. It’s called doing the right thing, being a classy individual, something you obviously have no clue about. Would you not agree that sometimes GMs and owners don’t always know certain players are going to be included in trades? When trade talks come up, the players almost always hear about it, be it through the media or their agents. It’s very rare that there is a player caught off guard by being traded. And like I asked someone else, if it happens during the season when exactly is a good time to let them know? Yes it’s upsetting to that ONE OR TWO PLAYERS, that they have to get packed up quickly and head to their next team but you hear the players all the time say “It’s OK, we understand this is also a business”. If there’s a trade in the summertime, the owners and GMs don’t hum and haw about it for a few weeks and then say “OK by the way you’re traded”. They let them know right away. Lebron knew he was doing this probably since the Olympics but didn’t say sh*t to anyone. Bosh too, he’s not innocent in all this. Bosh may have said some dumbass things on Twitter and radio station interviews but he didn’t do it like a fool on national TV either. Not that many would have watched but still. Now, please take your pointless and outright WRONG opinion elsewhere. It’s boring and you’re making yourself look more and more ignorant all the time

  • Justin

    You also know you’re wrong when AllenP is agreeing with you. If JTaylor or The Seed jumps in and agrees too then you might as well hang yourself now because it doesn’t get any lower than that

  • Jackie Moon

    The Cavs just lost by an historically embarassing margin. What should I do? Should I keep quiet, allow all the real-time negative attention to be placed squarely on the shoulders of the Cavs organization, and enjoy my current success, or should I interrupt my meal, grab my smart phone, and rub salt into the wound throwing myself right back into the fray? What should I do?

  • Justin

    Jackie Moon FTW!

  • horsey

    i stopped reading about 30 into the comment section. clearly people are upset..or they’re not. let’s bring back 1,000,000:1. i was reading that way back when Slamonline was mostly Lang writing random news about the league. the post “Barry Marion Smokes Crack!” made me laugh for waaay too long considering what it was.

    million to one and the quotemonger are definitely the two columns i miss the most. (not including scoop’s because he can’t really come back as easily)

  • horsey

    haha, marion barry. sorry. it’s all the crack smoke in here…

  • dubb100

    Lebron James is gonna choke at the end of the year.

  • jrok

    guys come on, lebron made a decision back in July that he had every right to do, so no matter how long we argue about whether or not what he did was right or classy or whatever, his decision wont change… everyone has opinions of whether he was right or wrong and are certainly entitled to them but its getting ridiculous now, hundreds of comments arguing about something that happened 6 months ago and that none of us can do anything about, we can all argue til we are blue in the face everythings still gonna be the same…

  • http://slamonline.Com Bryan Crawford

    Implying that guys don’t know that they’re going to be traded is false. Agents let their clients know ahead of time that talks are taking place. I agree with Justin.
    Also, to say that LBJ didn’t have an obligation to behave in a professional manner is unwittingly being an enabler to his BS.
    The Cavs paid him well for his services. Regardless of whether or not he played out his contract does not mean he is free from the responsibility of exhibiting professional behavior.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Justin is arguing that the unrestricted free agents should tell teams early when they decide to leave, but that teams don’t have the same requirments for players when they are trading them, or considering a trade.
    Because teams don’t need to follow the same rules as players.
    Ok. Hypocrisy, and poor logic, is hilarious.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    BC: So you don’t think LeBron James is “great” in basketball ON THE COURT because he refused to give a child his autograph? maybe you should pull back on the “ruining the kid’s dreams.” Unless LeBron dissed the kid or yelled at him, I’m sure the child was fine after a while. Sure it was a d!ck move, but d!ck moves happen all the time… If Jordan fanatics like you and Eboy were able to cope with Jordan being called, by some, an @ss, then why would that one kid’s “dreams” be ruined because he didn’t get an autograph? Come on…

  • fruizm

    did this article break the record for most comments?

  • Cameron J

    Dear Lebron I hope you lose in the Finals every year by a freethrow. BTW its funny how close he was with some of these same Cavs last year and is now celebrating them getting blown out. What’s the matter Bron? Boobie ain’t returning your phone calls? Come on Bron you sounding like a woman scorned rather than someone that upgraded. Stay class young fella *sarcasm*

  • Justin

    AllenP, just read Bryan’s comments above you for an argument to that assinine statement. Do you honestly believe that when players get traded they have no idea it’s coming? Sometimes it happens, maybe when an extra player gets thrown in last second or whatever but other than that, hardly ever do they not konw

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Teddy, I addressed my position on LeBron around 4:30 or so. I’m off that… Read up or shut up.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Let’s make this clear, because there seems to be some confusion here:
    There is NO FREAKING OBLIGATION TO LET ANYONE, NOT EVEN MANAGEMENT, KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING WHEN YOUR CONTRACT EXPIRES. THAT’S YOUR CHOICE. THAT’S YOUR BUSINESS.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Woops, point taken Bryan.

  • Justin

    Teddy, please tell me you’re kidding. I can understand not signing for all the adults but you NEVER refuse to sign for a kid! Are you serious! Jordan would never not sign for a kid. I saw a documentary about his baseball attempt and kids were running up to his car at a red light asking him to sign. The window came down and he signed them. It’s what you do and as a professional athlete or celebrity of any kind, you sort of give up that part of your life. Now, I completely believe in them having their own private time and if it’s in a restaurant or something you don’t go over there while the person is eating but if it’s in the middle of the street and a kid comes up asking for your autograph, you take the 1.5 seconds it takes to jot your name down, pat him/her on the head and keep moving. BTW, I’m the biggest Jordan fan out there and I can cope just fine with him being an a$$. However, he was also a model for professionalism throughout his career also, be it in his interviews, how he carried himself off the court, always in a suit…it’s the little things that LBJ just has no clue of so far

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, I’m calling total BS about players knowing about trades. Example: Courtney Lee had absolutely no idea he was going to New Jersey before the deal was done.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!
    Again.

  • Justin

    Also Teddy, because there seems to be some confusion here:
    NOBODY SAID IT WAS A PLAYER’S OBLIGATION. WE’RE SAYING IT’S THE RIGHT THING AND THE CLASSY THING TO DO. Especially in Lebron’s case, where he has to know his decisions is going to send this organization spiralling for years. I don’t think the tenth man on the bench necessarily has to do it but Lebron is in a very unique situation here. If Kobe had done the same thing, the haters would be tearing him a new one and so would I. I’m with Bryan (seems to be the only person other than myself that can separate bias and reality) when he said that Lebron is a truly special player but as a person is lacking and that’s what we don’t like.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    It’s obvious that LBJ and all of those who ride with him feel that he is under no obligation to exude any sort of professional decorum whatsoever.
    That said, it’s obvious that something happened within that organization that he was, and still is, pissed about, and that’s cool. He has a right to feel that way.
    But his actions reek of immaturity and his behavior has been child like with regard to it. That’s all I’m saying.
    And I’m not absolving Dan Gilbert of any responsibility, but who is going to step up and be the bigger person/man?

  • Jackie Moon

    Seriously though, does anyone mentor Lebron? Does he have anyone wise giving him guidance, like someone to say “Hey, Lebron, maybe you shouldn’t send out that message. Best to leave it alone.”? Dwyane Wade seems to know what he’s doing. Even Kevin Durant. Lebron is free to be how he wants to be, but if he really wants to grow his “brand”, shouldn’t he be a bit smarter about it? Maybe he’s given that up now that he says he’s accepted the “villain” role.

  • 4thqtrhero

    Wow, that’s a lot of comments. Does anybody else think the whole Darkside Lebron is as phony as the decision.

  • Justin

    Teddy, you obviously haven’t read all of the comments, especially some of the more recent ones. Like Bryan and I said, not EVERY player traded gets a lot of notice. Sometimes the deals happen very quickly and there’s no time to tell them. When a player leaves, do you really think he just wakes up July 1st and says “I’m going to another team”?

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    At the start of free agency, lebron hadnt been employed by the cavs for about two months. He was an unrestricted free agent. He didnt owe anything to the cavs. It would have been cordial of him to let the cavs know before ‘the decision’ that he wasnt going back. However, I wonder if cavs would have kept that secret or blurted it out, and ruined the mystery of what bron was going to do. I think no matter how bron went about it, the reaction from fans would have been largely the same.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    He is The King.
    He shall say AND do whatever he so chooses.

  • Justin

    lol@Darkside Lebron. Somewhere someone is making a TShirt with Lebron’s face and Darth Vader’s helmet around it

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Justin is the one who needs to read up. Saying ‘jordan would have never not signed for a kid’ is just plain ignorant.

  • Justin

    Tarzan, who cares if the Cavs would have said something first? That would only make them look bad and Lebron can say “I tried to do the right thing” and then he can legitimtately be mad at them. At least he would have done it the right way. Like I said earlier, I don’t think there’s as big an outburst from the fans if he did do it properly though, certainly not burning jerseys and things like that. He embarassed himself and the organization doing it the way he did. And if you honestly think if Jordan would have turned down some kid who ran up to him in the street or the arena asking for his autograph, you my friend, are the ignorant one

  • Jay Reyes

    @Philosopher: its not that his tweet shows us that he is the King but only proves that Lebron James is only human and can show bitterness towards a team who also showed bitterness after his departure… we should understand why he tweeted that and respect it… the way we should respect the reaction made by Cleveland when James left them…

    We are all human beings anyway…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Courtney lee knew?
    That was easiest rebuttal ever.

  • http://yahoo.com The Ambassador

    Long Live King Mbenga of the Congo!!!
    The real king of the Nba . He left the Lakers with class and never made a one hour special to tell everyone were he was taking his talents to and never made a statement about contaction and then act like he didnt know what it meant!

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Yeah.
    LeBron is the only guy who can look AND sound stupid, and get away with it.
    Power.
    Influence.
    The best basketball player on Earth.
    The Secretariot of NBA basketball.

  • http://yahoo.com The Ambassador

    @ The Philoshoper I dont think Lebron is getting away with anything at all. Stating this Kobe is the only guy that can split a team apart, have an affair with a white girl and bounce back and be and play like the best basketball player in the Galaxy.
    Cold Blooded
    World Dominance
    The ex best basketball player in world.

    Long Live King Mamba and King Mbenga!!!

  • Justin

    Not sure how he gets away with it when he’s ridiculed on message boards and in the media everytime he does something dumb like this. Getting away with it would be if nobody made mention of it. And not that I want to start a whole other debate but…Kobe is still the best right now. Just sayin’. :-)

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Justin, a few examples of just that were given in this comment section, dummy.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @The Ambassador:
    Damn.
    You… own me.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    gotta love it when people act like they are good friends with certain players or knows how the NBA business work so they can make their arguments.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh and I said lebron was wrong for his recent actions. But, whatever.

  • Zoom

    @Justin, the only fool in this discussion is YOU. The fact that you are actually arguing this point highlights what a moron you. Thank God no one pays you to make decisions because whoever did would be up sh*ts creek. An UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT is someone who is NOT AN EMPLOYEE of any particualr organization. Do you understand that? Are you really that slow or are you just joking? As far as the city, the team, and whatever other bs you were rambling about, it is NOT the responsiblity of Lebron James to ensure the vitality of any city or team that does not employ him. Lebron James has a responsibilty to make the best decisions for Lebron James and HIS FAMILY. As far as your idiotic explanation as to why players get traded unexpectedly, save it. You do realize that the point is that it happens, right? WTF do the circumstances matter? The point is that it happens. If you say it’s part of the business then it RUNS BOTH WAYS. But let me humor you for a sec. So what if he did notify the Cavs? Was he supposed to do it in a time frame acceptable for you and Dan Gilbert’s stupid a**es? Who would have determained how much time LBJ should’ve given the Cavs? What the hell makes you think any player’s lives and decisions should revolve around the convenience of these billionaire’s sports teams? Get over it. That young black man made a choice he had a right to make. Seems like that bothers you.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Yup.
    Everything revolves around THE KING!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    At the beginning of the year the nets told favors he wasn’t being traded. Avery himself told him to ignore it. Now it is.almost a dine deal that he is gone. Al harrington signed a big deal with the nuggets and was supposed to part of their long term plans and now they are lookig to move him.
    the issue is where some people hunk power should lie in the nba relationship. Most people think teams shoul wield power. I think players should. So I think that ifteams can make serious decisions that impact players’ lives without consulting.win.them then so should players. Teams don’t discuss their plans with players that often. Rashard lewis.didn’t learn he was being moved until a few.hours before it.happened. several players have learned.about trades from media reports. Lebron called the cavs before the decision for the record. He just didn’t tell them weeks before or meet with them face to face. Read the actual timeline. That is exactly as much notification as.teams typically give players.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Iverson and billups got.surprised.by their trades.as.well. for another example. Beasley was surprised too.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I wish I had seen zoom’s comment. Could have avoided this damn touchpad. I hate this thing.

  • Zoom

    @Justin: Again, you show your stupidity with the immature idol worship of Michael Jordan. He isn’t exactly known for being an angel off the court, but you’d know that if you weren’t such a space cadet. At best, saying that Jordan would’ve NEVER rejected a kid’s request for an autograph means you’re naïve as hell. It’s like you’re a little kid getting angry when someone reveals an ugly truth about your idol.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    ^If players had that much control, the things could turn chaotic, no?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    My last comment was for Allen @10:10p.m.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    “It was just how I was feeling at the time,” he said. Yet he added in the same breath, “It wasn’t even a comment from me. It was someone who sent it to me and I sent it out.”

    It was a mixed message less than 24 hours after seemingly offering clear intent.

    “I don’t think it was no intent at all,” he said. “I think everyone looks into everything I say. Everybody looked too far into it. It wasn’t no intent at all”

    “No hit toward that organization. I’ve moved on. Hopefully that organization has continued to move on. But I’m happy where I am as a Miami Heat player.

    “It wasn’t no hit at that franchise, no hit at that team, especially those players, at all.”

    REALLY? At least Dan Gilbert stood behind his words…

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Only he can get away with it…

  • http://akflf.com Jukai

    Justin: Jordan would and HAS refused to sign kids autographs. You’re a dolt. Jordan is FAMOUS for shoving kids and old ladies away for autographs depending on his mood.

  • http://yahoo.com The Ambassador

    I have to say that I dont hate Lebron at all but sometims I would just wish he would be quiet for his own sake but he should have told Gilbert he was gonna go to the Heat before the one hour special for the respect of the team and everybody else. I know Lebron doesnt owe anything to the Cavaleirs association but thats the least they derserved before being humalated in tv. I wished Lebron wouldnt have done the special at all but what done is done.

    Long Live King Bryant!!!
    Long Live King Mbenga of the Congo!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yeah that aS a punk move to follow a stupid move. Dude must not realize people aren’t THAT stupid. He doesn’t realize he is not gettng the benefit of the doubt anymore.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    This comments section was been HILARIOUS.
    B Crawford says a lot of wacky things, (I believe, a lot just for effect) but I must 100% co-sign him on one point:
    1. I wholeheartedly support his contraction of the “great player” label. Thrown around too freely FOR SURE. Example, KD — a great scorer, but not a great basketball player. Not yet. Neither is Wade.

    2. LeBron – I will set aside my joyful dislike for him and admit that he is a great player. That said, he is NOT in the GOAT conversation and based on what I’ve seen out of him, I can confidently say that he NEVER will be. He doesn’t have ‘it’ (you can read: “mastery of the game”, as Crawford likes to put it) but his physical strengths and athleticism do propel him into my assessment of what a great player is.

    And…… carry on!

  • ben sin

    Now he’s trying to imply he didn’t write the tweet and it wasn’t really aimed at the Cavs?

    Lebron should either think hard before he speaks/tweets, or just accept his 1997-The-Rock-like heel persona and STOP BACKPEDDLING after he makes a comment.

  • http://akflf.com Jukai

    Tealish: Well, respectfully disagree with uhm, everything you said

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Heat lose to the clips and bron rolls an ankle. Karma

  • JC

    LeBron, you are so right this time.
    Karma is a B****

  • Bimmer

    Does this story about LeBron really deserve 471 comments? Quit giving this awful human being attention.

  • JTaylor21

    “he doesn’t have it (mastery of the game)”? F*ck outta here with at sh*t, what the hell does that even mean. Let me guess the mamba belongs in the GOAT convo based on his so-called mastery of the game. I’m guessing that court vision, good shot-selection, and playing consistent defense are not included in your book. You would think that for someone people claim that has mastered the game would shot better than 45% for his career. Basketball is a simple game, you put the ball in the hole, create good look for your teammates, rebound, and defend (anyone that can do all four at an elite level is an all-time great). Morons like to act like basketball is some kind of science project, that’s what reading too much bill simmons does to you.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Karma indeed.
    I said in post up it would be crazy if the Clips beat the Heat.
    It was a crazy night.
    I also said if the Clips did beat the Heat, the Heat would likely take their anger out on the Bulls on Saturday.
    Great.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    @jukai — how can you disagree with this comments section being HILARIOUS? I laughed out loud multiple times, and I’ll be damned if you yourself didn’t muster a chuckle or two throughout.
    Lots of great characters living up to their potential in here today. All the main roles, yours included, were executed beautifully and us, the audience, do not take it for granted.
    Well done.

  • KB8toSG8

    Karma is truly a b*tch right LBJ??

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    LeBron James is 26, just sayin….we are expecting him too be more mature then all of us, and I understand he has a publicist and has been in the public eye all of his adult life, but he’s gonna make mistakes they all do with the exception of a small few. Jordan still had a massive gambling mistake ahead of him, I mean seriously the over judging him as a person is bleh pointless. As a player he has obviously improved immensely, put up what 3? of the most efficient and productive seasons of all time while always attaining homecourt in the playoffs, with a lottery bound supporting cast…and he’s 26. What’s the goat in your mind done by 26? I’m not saying he is or will be, but can be? Absolutely

  • http://www.twitter.com/JoshElam JE

    This is going to hit 500 comments. Over a tweet. I mean, wow.

  • http://akflf.com Jukai

    And Lebron lost to the Clippers. GOD WAS WATCHING LEBRON KARMA IS A B*TCH!!!

  • http://akflf.com Jukai

    Tealish: Oh that I agreed with.

  • http://akflf.com Jukai

    Jeez I can’t believe everyone made that joke before me. I mean, I gotta refresh my browser.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Spurs won, aircats too

  • KwamePooh

    “It wasn’t even a comment from me, it was someone who sent it to me and I sent it out. It wasn’t towards that team. It definitely wasn’t a good showing by that team last night, I know they wish they would have played better, but nothing towards them.”

    and thats a villian?!

  • Ali

    Own your shi* Lebron…”A friend sent it
    to so I sent it out again” sound like
    some bullshi* to me. Tweeted to soon boy…
    Blake and them Clippers got in the a**, Hahah
    Lebron is turning out to be such an a**.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    Someone rolled their ankle and then tried to retract a tweet after a loss to the Clippers. Hardee har har.

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    BETCATS, you forgot to mention: “and got blocked badly by 6’1 Eric Bledsoe”

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I don’t even know who/how I call myself a bball fan.
    I MISS ALL THE GOOD STUFF WHEN IT’S HAPPENING!

  • benno

    i just made the 486th comment – by the way i did count

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    This section was only about 700 comments off from the most commented on piece of all time.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Rip hamilton gets random dnp-cd with no warning from team. Nobody called him and told him not to worry about playing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @JTaylor…..basketball is a simple game? It isn’t complicated, but I wouldn’t call it simple

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  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    Ive made well over 100 comments on articles by myself before. Not impressed.

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