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Wednesday, January 26th, 2011 at 8:46 am  |  95 responses

Post Up: Runaway

Lakers dominate, while Mavs down Blake Griffin & Co.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Denver 120, Washington 109

Opening up what should be a breeze of an East Coast road trip, the Nuggets went into DC and efficiently dominated the Wizards. They shot 50.6 percent from the field and 52.2 percent from deep (12 threes in total), winning their sixth of eight. (Upcoming games against the Pistons, Cavs, Sixers and Nets mean 10 of 12 is a pretty reasonable goal, too.) The Wiz, meanwhile, got 51 combined points from Andray Blatche and Nick Young in the loss.

Boston 112, Cleveland 95

The Cavs aren’t very good at playing basketball these days, and I’ve got the numbers to prove it: 18 losses in a row, 22 straight road losses, one win in their last 29 games, etc. Boston won this one easily, resting all of their players—except Rajon Rondo, who still may be working his way back from injury—and allowing the second unit to see some action in the contest’s final quarter. Paul Pierce scored a game-high 24, while Rondo scored 10, dished 11 and swiped 4. Kendrick Perkins also (unexpectedly) returned, playing 17 minutes and putting up a modest 7 points and 6 boards. With Shaq and Jermaine O’Neal likely to see plenty of rest over the next couple of months, the addition of Perk will be a welcome one for the C’s.

Dallas 112, L.A. Clippers 105

Anyone see the President’s State of the Union last night? Pres talked a lot about the future, but for some reason made zero references to Blake Griffin, who, as far as I can see (which is from my desk chair to my computer screen, give or take), is pretty much the damn future all by himself. His Clippers lost last night, though, falling to the Mavs after Dirk and Co. jumped ahead in the third and hung on in the fourth. Jason Terry led the Mavericks with 28 (a few clutch threes included), and JJ Barea stepped up to the tune of 25 points on 9-11 shooting from the floor. Blake scored 22 and grabbed 11, but with teammate Eric Gordon out three-four weeks, the Clips could struggle to maintain the fire they’ve shown the past month.

Charlotte 94, Sacramento 89

Despite shooting just 36 percent from the field, the Kings kept this shindig close, and the ‘Cats weren’t able to put them entirely away until the last minute or two. But Charlotte did come out on top, doing so behind Stephen Jackson’s 25 points and Kwame Brown’s 18 (!!) rebounds. The Bobcats now sit at eighth in the East, a full game ahead of the Pacers and with sole possession of the rights to face the Celtics in the first round.

L.A. Lakers 120, Utah 91

The Lakers outscored the Jazz 37-22 in the first quarter, and just piled it on from there, as things were all but wrapped up by halftime. This was just a massacre, and all five Laker starters played under 30 minutes (except Pau, who played 10 seconds more) in the easy victory. We’ve heard that Deron Williams hasn’t been too happy, but nobody would be satisfied after a game like the one the Jazz played last night, so I’d like to think we can all sympathize with his current mood.

Actual Stats: Jason Terry: 28 points, 3 assists, 1 rebound, 1 steal

Moment of the Night: Nothing wild. Though as the first half of the Wiz-Nuggets ended, Trevor Booker did manage to do this:

(H/T: @outsidethenba)

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  • JTaylor21

    Best PG my a**. Also the west is so overrated, no one outside of the mavs and spurs can beat the lakers in LA. Even everyones next dynasty, the thunder will never be able to beat them unless KD mans up and realizes that Artest shouldn’t be able to shut him down like that if he’s supposed to be the best thing since slice bread. Can somone explain to me what’s the difference between Melo and KD?

  • add

    dam, now with gordon gone the clips streak is definitely over

  • Bruno

    yeah I would love to see the clips in the playoffs but it looks like it’s gonna be next year

  • Jer-Dawg

    That’s terrible news about Gordon. From the looks of it the Clippers were competitive. I hope it’s just a one game adjustment and this loss does nothing but help them adjust to one another’s game. They will continue to make playoff push.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    KD is taller, looks genuinely interested in playing basketball, doesn’t hold his franchise hostage. KD is 22, KD has led the league in scoring. KD kinda looks like an alien.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    KD bench presses 185lbs. Melo can pretty much bench press KD!

  • letsmotor

    @nick tha quick: actually, KD can’t bench 185. also, KD may weigh less than 185, so saying Melo can bench him doesn’t prove he’s stronger, but I get your point.

  • MUBWAR

    age or not, ill take Melooo any day ahead of KD.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Melo is a very good player but I don’t see him taking any team to a championship (just my opinion) now on the other hand KD combined with Russ, I can see them going somewhere :P

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/01/25/pop-i-can-see-myself-coaching-for-awhile/ Anthony

    Forget Melo and KD, the real question is: who’s the better PG ? Rose or CP3 ? (sorry, i couldnt resist)

  • MUBWAR

    did someone just compare KD and Melo when it comes to strength. that’s hysterical.

  • MUBWAR

    And off course that’s CP3.

  • http://www.slamonline.com THE REAL RIGGS
  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/01/25/pop-i-can-see-myself-coaching-for-awhile/ Anthony

    About the Lakers, if they play like that during the Playoffs it will be hard for anybody (my Spurs included)

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Seems know one has seen the you tube video of KD benching 315. Dude has gotten a lot stronger. Not saying he’s better (or worse), than Melo, just stating facts.
    Co-sign Jt on Deron. If your that unhappy win a fckin game. Maybe not in LA, but in Washington, Philly or New Jersey maybe.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    Co-sign Jahmai @ 10:26am. The league is filled with guys like ‘Melo (Amar’e, Arenas, to name two) who are very talented, but you can’t win a championship if they’re your best player.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kulcha, depends who else is on the team, but I assume you meant with the aforementioned players as no1 guys, with no other superstars around them.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    @AllBall, yes, and no. As a DC area native, I had a front row view of the Wizards’ “big three”. Now granted, neither Caron nor Antawn could reasonably be labeled superstars. But Gilbert was definitely the best player on that team. My overall point is, Melo, Amar’e and Gilbert fall into the category of guys whose talent level is not enough to take a team to the ‘ship if they are THE BEST PLAYER on that team. Pau Gasol also falls into that category.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Who’s Boston’s best player?
    Out of those, I think Melo could be the best on a chip team. He would of been the best on Detroit’s title team.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    If Bynum can maintain his current health, LAL are the team to beat.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That You Tube video of Durant benching 315 is a fake. Watch the camera cut.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    He couldn’t put up 135 even once 4 years ago, what makes you think he upped his max to 315 lmao, steroids?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Is it? I genuinely thought it was legit. lol, honestly I didn’t even think about it bk.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    What? Lebron couldn’t do it alone without any second superstar neither could Kobe so of course Melo can’t. The guy is a winner. I think you could build a championship team easily around him. Lets not forget what he did for Syracuse.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Melo is not even is the same universe as Arenas and its stupid to compare the two.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    @AllBall, I may be in the minority (an woefully incorrect) on this, but I am not certain ‘Melo would have led that Detroit team to a championship. If you recall, that team won with a balanced offensive approach, and strong defensive play. If we assume ‘Melo would have taken Prince’s spot in the rotation, that’s an offensive upgrade, but a serious defensive downgrade. Especially since Prince usually matched up with the best swingman on the other team. As for your question, Rondo is today, KG was in their most recent championship year.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Kulchkris…Carmelo almost got to the finals two years ago in the West with basically this same nuggets roster so what do you mean he can’t lead a championship team? If Denver knew how to make an inbound pass in that series who knows what would of been the outcome if they would of played Orlando.

  • http://nicekicks.com Meloman2.0

    Agree with Kap

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    For Melo to be the best player on a championship team in todays NBA climate, that team would need two other players right around Melo’s skill level. Like say, Amar’e and Deron Williams (just an example). Don’t bring up anything he did in college, or how he almost got to the finals that one time. Its not horseshoes, you don’t call John Stockton & Karl Malone champions because they got close

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    I haven’t seen the video, but I have to ride with NBK on this one. I have a hard time believing KD, at his height, and current build can bench press 315lbs.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    Basically, what nbk said. Kap, I wasn’t suggesting that ‘Melo and Gilbert possess the same level of skill. Simply that their level of skill is below what’s needed to be the best player on a chmapionship winning team. You reference Lebron and Kobe; to suggest ‘Melo is in the same class as those two is almost as ludicrous as suggesting Arenas is in ‘Melo’s class.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Melo doesn’t need both Deron and Amare. I don’t know why everyone thinks you need three top ten players on your team to win a championship. If Melo signs with the Knicks as currently constructed I guarantee they would be a top three team for the next five years.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Melo is in the same class as Bron and Kobe. Melo gets the job done in the tougher conference since he came to the league. If you guys put Durant in the same company as Bron, Kobe, and Wade then Melo is right there as well. Kobe and Bron are 1a and 1b and Melo and Wade are not far behind.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Yeah well Miami will have LeBron James, Chris Bosh, and Dwyane Wade for the next 4 minimum, you think Melo and Amar’e (neither player play a lick of defense, and Miami, through 41 games together are showing signs of being one of the best defenses, ever) could beat them, in Mike D’Antoni’s system? please, plus LAL will probably add a big man here in the next few years (hello dwight), plus the Clippers a team with very deep pockets already has 2 guys that will be in that “class of player” and have trade assets and a rich owner, plus their in LA, so presumably they will be able to add another big time player as well. Maybe Amar’e and Melo could have won a title together earlier in the decade, but from this point forward, with just those two and danilo gallinari or whoever you have to be kidding yourself

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    You guys say Durant is a top five player and will lead the thunder to many ‘ships while realistically Melo is a better scorer, rebounder especially on offensive board and the toughest player to guard in the nba. I also believe that his defense is much underrated. Just makes no sense to me.

  • ripslam

    Melo is in the same class as LeBron and Kobe? This guy had an infinitely better team around him than Bron did in Cleveland and he only got past the second round once. Don’t make me laught.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one, Kap. For the record though, I don’t think Durant is in the same class as ‘Bron and Kobe. He may be the best scorer in the league at the moment, but his all-around game is behind those two. Only time will tell how he develops.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    oh and Melo, who has been extremely inefficient throughout his career, is not in LeBron or Kobe’s class of player. Especially considering those two are/were elite defenders, Melo couldn’t keep a baby out of the liquor cabinet.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Reality check…Everyone does not win a ring. All those are what if scenarios. Who knows how long Miami will stay healthy, which player will go where in free agency. That’s crazy to try to predict that along with saying Miami has one of the greatest defenses ever because its half way through one season and the league is weak as its been in a long time. No one last year would of predicted Miami would have James, Wade, and Bosh. If Carmelo did go to the Knicks the way they are currently constructed then their team would be much more complete with more talent overall than the Heat.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    I think the Thunder might when 1 title, someday. Market is too small, keeping Durant and Westbrook together while adding a championship caliber bigman, with the new likely considerably smaller CBA, is going to be very difficult. Maybe even more difficult then winning a title

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Melo has never had a better team around him than Lebron in Cleveland. Honestly you can’t even compare the two. I’m tired of guys acting like Lebron played with a bunch of D-leaguers.

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    LOL @ the “liquor cabinet” line. Kap, I would also take issue with your comment regarding ‘Melo being a better scorer than Durant. Really? Based on what? He’s never averaged 30ppg in a season (Durant has), and never led the league in scoring (Durant has). Now stats don’t tell the whole story, and we can’t predict the future. But I would say the KD is a better scorer today than ‘Melo is today (at least in the regular season), and has the potential to be better over his career. Is ‘Melo a better player overall? Yes.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Lets not forget that Lebron was in a much weaker conference so who knows what melo would of done if nuggets were in the east. Its just silly comparing rosters, wins, and how far teams go in playoffs when one conference has been extremely tougher where it takes 50 wins to make the playoffs while the other allows several teams under .500 to get in. There’s no basis of argument when it comes to that.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Kevin Durant is nothing but a jumpshooter so yes I believe Melo is the much better scorer.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    LeBron’s team was obviously inferior to Melo’s, at every single position but the obvious one. Every Single position. Billups >> Mo Williams, Aaron Afflalo/Jr Smith > Anthony Parker, Delonte West, (LeBron > Melo), Kenyon Martin > Antawn Jamison, Nene > Big Z/Shaq. And LeBron’s former teams record, even before the injuries should be proof enough how horrible that supporting cast was. And Durant is a better scorer then Anthony, and the reasoning is simple, he scores more points, more efficiently.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    oh and we could also point out the difference in quality of coaching between George Karl and Mike Brown if you still aren’t convinced

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nobody disputes that Kobe had a wack team when Smush, Kwame and Luke Walton were starters. I don’t understand why it’s so hard to admit that LeBron did not have a good team either. Probably better than that Laker’s team that Kobe had, but not so much better that it explains the massive difference in win totals.
    And yes, the East is crap. But, it’s not like LeBron had a stacked team in a wack conference. He had a wack team in a wack conference. And Melo has had incredible talent for much of his career, but the team’s screwed up mental makeup has been its downfall most years. And the fact that they kept playing the Spurs. Lol.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Kap, only 5 players are on the court at a time. If Miami has 3 of the top 15 in the whole league, and 2 of the top 5 players, then everytime those three are on the court together they are the best team around. You’ve played basketball in elementary school, when you have team captains, do the captains pick the best players or the guys that play specific positions or fit traditional roles? Its the same concept, a team of Felton, Melo, Chandler, Gallinari, Stoudemire is not nearly as talented as LeBron, Wade, Miller, Bosh, Haslem. You can bring up benches if you want, but NYK’s coach is Mike D’Antoni, he doesn’t run anything bigger then an 8 man rotation. Landry Fiels, Toney Douglas, Ronnie Turiaf v. Chalmers, Arroyo, Jones, Big Z, Anthony, House, Dampier. Might not be a more talented bench in Miami, but it sure gives the Heat more options to go along with their already superior starting lineup

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    On the Mike Brown and Karl thing
    Brown has his flaws, but dude clearly knows how to install a defense that forces players, even those who are not great defenders, to be accountable and perform. He also never rips his players in the media, and seemed to have the ability to establish a rapport with most of them.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    melo in the same class as bron and wade and kobe? hahahaha what dumb*ss kap

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…that’s not true. Just because you have 2 of the top three players in the L doesn’t make you the best team. 2 players don’t make a team.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Well yeah Allen, Mike Brown was a very solid defensive coach, and worked the media better then most coaches. But he couldn’t coach a lick of offense once the playoffs started, his rotations were always suspect, and IMO his biggest flaw, and the flaw that ultimately ruined him, he doesn’t seem to posses the ability to admit his mistakes. LIke playing at a snails pace at all times even though it was plainly obvious to everyone that team was better when they ran, or like admitting your offensive system doesn’t work in the playoffs and trusting an assistant to draw up something new. He tried to let an assistant create an offense for him last season, then scrapped it at some point about halfway through the season, even though the Cavaliers had one of the best records in the league. George Karl has proven he can make teams winners, he changes his coaching style to match his personell, (GP & Kemps Sonics, Ray Allen & Glenn Robinsons Bucks the Nuggets with Iverson and Melo, the Nuggets with Billups and Melo) i mean he has gotten to the conference finals with 3 different organizations if i’m not mistaken, he clearly knows what it takes to win right? Mike Brown can’t even find a gig, after 3 straight seasons of the best record in the NBA…doesn’t that say something about his peers opinion of him?

  • Blaspemy

    I don’t believe in stupidtitious or the belief of karma and magic seems like a very silly concept. But the Clippers rancid type of turbulence can only be cause from the 4th dimension. What was it that the Clipper franchise do to the BASKETBALL GODS in the past life to have caused such horrid luck?

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    didn’t say they were the best team because of 2 players. I said they were more talented then the current Knicks even if you add Melo and lose noone. I said when their best three are on the court together that lineup is better then any other lineup in the league, which IMO is true. Boston and LAL have better overall teams, but they also have a huge collection of complimentary talent, and all of their talent play both ends of the court. Your out here calling a team with only 1 above average defensive player good enough to win a title, and better overall then Miami. Which should be an absolute joke

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    c_cantrell…I normally ignore stupid people who cusses someone out over their opinion. It’s people like you who ruin sites like this.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    I think that Karl is actually the better media worker. He is beloved by them for his access and his penchant for ripping players in public. Brown never said anything good.
    I don’t think Mike Brown has ever coached the talent Karl coached, so the fact that he had so much success with players who were so unsuited to his schemes means something. And Karl doesn’t switch up his offensive schemes. He runs a lot of iso no matter where he goes, and the same isos he ran for the big three on the Bucks, are the ones he runs in Denver. How long have we complained that the Nuggets play zero defense, and are unimaginative on offense? Karl has had some of the best offensive talent in the league at his disposal and constantly manages to draw up a offense that resembles taking turns on the playground. Hell, he never drew up a sheme that figured out a way to get Shawn Kemp 20 and 10!
    Brown sucked on offense, he sucked at adjustments, and he was clearly stubborn. But, I haven’t decided if his decisions about the offense were all about him, or all about what LeBron liked. The running seems like it was on Brown, but the constant 1-4 sets seem like Bron.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    hold on, Shawn Kemp never averaged 20 and 10? Come to think of it, your right, although I thought they ran a lot of double down screens for Ray Allen, and then had those little middle post plays for Glenn Robinson? Either way, I have overlooked Karl’s offensive exploits apparently, my fault. The offense he has run in Denver though, I think that is probably the best way to get the most out of the talent he has, especially when they had Iverson…its not like you could run a real offense when the ball is in his and melo’s hands more then anyone else, they are your typical ball stoppers. And the current offense isn’t all iso’s, he runs a lot of high s&r with Nene and Billups, using Melo as a ploy. He has even started using Melo in the corner to spread the court and create easy one on one opportunities for him (which I know is much like an Iso, but just not the traditional way of going about it). if that made sense

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Well if Mike Brown let Bron dictate that much of the offense then I have even less respect for him as a coach. If I was the coach, the conversation with Bron bout the offense would have been simple, i would have said “the first season Michael Jordan let his coach dictate the offense he won a title, so trust me to do what’s best for the team” – whether it worked or not, your doing your job as the coach, not being your star players little accessory

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    We agree on your last point, which I see as Brown’s greatest failing. I feel like at a certain point he stopped coaching LeBron and was just along for the ride.
    That was a mistake. That dancing on the sidelines crap was ridiculous, and I could tell it bothered Brown, but he lacked the balls to shut it down. Bron was borderline disrespectful at times, and instead of establishing boundaries, Brown just sucked it up. Beyond anything, that was his worst decision.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    agreed. you think that is the ultimate reason he hasn’t gotten a gig since? because GM’s are worried that he will turn the star player into Madonna?

  • http://www.slamonline.com KulchaKris

    Co-sign AllenP. It should also be noted that Karl has significantly more experience than Brown. Maybe Brown learned his lesson, and will be better in his next stint, if he ever gets a chance. I think we’ve seen the best Karl has to offer as a coach. He came the closest to truly contending with the Sonics. The Bucks and Denver were/are pseudo contenders in my opinion.

  • http://www.slamonline.com peter

    Mo Williams was an all-star…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Pull up his all star numbers. He was an all star because the cavs had a great record.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Allenp, that Smush/Walton/Kwame/ squad was a lot worse than last years Cavs. A lot worse.
    Look at the rotation players (10 minutes plus) of LAL

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Allenp, that Smush/Walton/Kwame/ squad was a lot worse than last years Cavs. A lot worse.
    Look at the rotation players (10 minutes plus) that Kobe got to the finals against Boston the year they lost; Kobe, Pau, Lamar, Fish, Vujacic, Radmanovic, Walton, Farmer.
    Thats comparable to last years Cavs team, although they are better than last years Cavs.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Bynum did not play a minute in the Play-offs, although he averaged a double double during the RS.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    AllBall every team that was comparable in talent to that Cavs team lost in the first round or didn’t make the playoffs. The year they made the finals it was Kobe, Fisher, Ariza, Odom, Gasol. That’s 5 of the 6 that won the title the next year.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    Al these comparisons are so retarded. Melo is and always has been a total beast of a basketball player. All those years that he made the playoffs the West was stacked, their big men injured, and he had a bunch of gunslingers around him. Love Nene but he’s like 6’10″ and still a work in progress. As a result there is no inside out game but that never stopped Melo from creating space to put points up.
    What he’s doing on a very perimeter based offensive team is incredible. But with all the criticism and questioning of his talents I’m not surprised that he wants to be on a different team with a different make-up. Nobody in the league can face-guard Melo.
    Once again all these talented players that you guys claim he’s surrounded with, they’re all on the perimeter. Name one all first or all second team PF or C that he has played with. You can’t.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Name one LeBron’s played with, as a first or second team big man, you can’t either. lol what’a crock, the knock on Melo is DEFENSE, and INEFFICIENCY, not scoring ability. That’s his biggest strength.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    I never made a claim that Lebron had better people surrounding him. He didn’t. Also Lebron is a better basketball player overall by quite a margin. But battling the Wizards in the first round in the East is not comparable to facing the Suns, Spurs, Utah or the Lakers in a loaded West of the recent past.
    And that’s pretty much what they had to do each year. Often times hurt. He can only do so much as a scorer. Oh and he never quit on his team.

  • http://bedotwater.bandcamp.com BE.water

    KD couldnt bench 185 as a rook.

    You dont think thats changed by now??

    Dumba$$es

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    Forget that last sentence, that was childish…

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    it was 135 that he couldn’t bench. Believing an almost 200LB bench increase in less then 5 years without any kind of muscle enhancing drug, and not being a body builder on a 6’10″ (not to mention w/ a 7’5″ wingspan) frame is the equivalent to believing in the tooth fairy.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    LeBron made it to the finals, through the pistons (6-time ECFinalist), with a much much inferior cavalier supporting cast to anything Melo has had his entire career.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    nbk, Ariza played 45 total minutes that off-season, their starting 3 was Rad, they finished games with Fish/KB/Sasha.
    The year KB lost in the 1st round with Smush etc, last year’s Cavs were more talented than that team.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    yeah but they lost in the first round and barely made the playoffs, what’s your point?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think my point got lost.
    Melo played in a tougher conference, but he had more talent and didn’t get as far. In fact, the only year his team advanced was the first year they brought in Billups, who was credited with bringing leadership to the squad. The next year, they lsot in the first round again.
    LeBron played in an easier conference but had less talent. He also has typically advanced past the first round. His talent was better than Kobe’s, but the margin was not huge, particularly not compared to the year that LeBron went to the Finals and beat a Detroit team similar to the one that beat Kobe when he had Shaq.
    Bottom line, Melo has underachieved given the talent around him. Some of it is on him, some on his coach, some on the other players.
    But, let’s not pretend that he failed because the West was so stacked. The Clippers advanced in that same stacked West. The Mavs advanced when Jason Terry was the second best player on the team. Melo just failed. Period.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    nbk, Allen said that, that squad wasn’t that much worse than last years Cavs. They were a lot worse. That was all.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Allen, my bad, didn’t read your last point. For that one year (Smush/Walton/Kwame) compared to last year, Bron had more talent.
    The team Bron carried to the final is very similar in talent levels to the Smush/Walton/Kwame group.

  • KH10

    Put lebron on the nuggets and they would have won a chip by now. Fact.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    Oh word, but it is not that big of a talent gap to be honest, Kobe just isn’t the type of player that will dominate the league by making others better. He is the guy that makes a good team great. LeBron makes all teams good, its just a matter of if he can make good teams great now. IMO

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    nbk, the 2005-2006 Lakers had a lot less talent than the 2009-2010 Cavaliers. Your other points i’m not arguing.
    Smush/Sasha/Kobe/Devan George/Walton/Laron Profit/Brian Cook/Lamar Odom/Chris Mihm/Kwame Brown are not as talented as;
    Mo Williams/Boobie/D West/Anthony Parker/Bron/Jamario/JJ Hick/Twan/Varajeao/Shaq/ZZZ.

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    I was under the impression we were talking about the team that LeBron took to the finals in 07, you know the one that beat the same pistons team that had Shaq, Kobe, Karl Malone, Gary Payton….because that 07 team is horrendous, and they made the finals. The talent gap between them and those lakers is what i was referring too, my bad

  • http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Russell_vs._Wilt nbk

    that beat the lakers that had*

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Yeah, in my 5:04 comment I basically said exactly what you just did.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Sorry man finishing up at work, a little distracted

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Its cool, that 5:34 comment read a lot more impolite than it was meant.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’d forgotten how truly putrid that Lakers’ team was. I knew it was bad, but damn.
    Kobe taking those busters to the playoffs was a HUGE feat. Only LeBron has done more with less. Well, and maybe Iverson, but Iverson had better talent than that Lakers team.

  • http://slamonline.com The Ambassador

    @Allenp if you would have that Lakers in the Eastern confernce in 07 the Lakers might have made it to the Finals seeing the way Kobe was playing.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Kobe’s 05-06 Lakers went 45-37. Bron’s 06-07 Cavs went 50-32.
    Kobe’s rotation players are above in previous comments.
    Brons were Bron, Hughes, ZZ, Drew Gooden, Pavlovic, Donell Marshall, Varajeao, Damon Jones, Dan Gibson, Eric Snow.
    I don’t know which team had more talent. It’s close.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I’d take the Lakers and whoever their coach was (phil or rudy). But both teams are an absolute joke to put around the best players in the league

  • http://skffl.com Jukai

    I’d take that Cavaliers team. Hughes, Big Z and Drew Gooden ain’t THAT bad.

  • http://www.b-ballistics.com Darksaber

    Slamonline, where endlessly discussing a moot point happens.
    Oh, one more thing: Tyson Chandler!

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    DURANTULA STRIKES!!!!!!! GD I WISH I SAW THAT GAME!

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Amazing game for Durant, but I’m beginning to feel REALLY bad for the L-Wolves. They’ve had what, six or seven games go down to the wire and they just can’t close out. Love and Beasley’s efforts were wasted again.
    Oh, and free Steve Nash.

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