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Tuesday, March 22nd, 2011 at 8:50 am  |  181 responses

Post Up: In Control

Celtics take hold of Knicks in fourth; Duncan goes down.

by Adam Figman | @afigman

Yo guys. Due to some extenuating circumstances, we gotta make do with a short-ass Post Up today. Apologies in advance.

Indiana 102, New Jersey 98

Down four at half, the Pacers turned it up in the final two quarters, jumping ahead and holding on for the win. Roy Hibbert dropped a game-high 24, while Danny Granger added another 20.

Orlando 97, Cleveland 86

The Magic are much better than the Cavs, which is probably the reason the Magic dominated the Cavs when the two faced off last night. Dwight Howard scored 28 points and inhaled 18 rebounds, leading all in those two categories.

Boston 96, New York 86

The Knicks had a good grasp of the contest for the first 42 or so minutes, at which point the Celts clawed back and just dominated the stretch, eventually winning by a solid margin behind some clutch play. Kevin Garnett led errbody with 24, and even dunked like he was 25 all over again.

Chicago 132, Sacramento 92

Well, at least Marcus Thornton is providing Kings fans with some hope for the future. The second-year guard dropped 25, but the Bulls still ran right through Sacramento, as all five of their starters scored in double figures and the team put up a whopping 132 points and shot a wild 61.2 percent from the floor.

Memphis 103, Utah 85

The Grizzlies held firm on their eighth spot in the West, defeating the Jazz at home. Zach Randolph scored 19, grabbed 13 and dished out 5 in the victory.

San Antonio 111, Golden State 96

The Spurs defended their spot as the top team in the West, knocking down the Warriors with ease. The bad news: Tim Duncan went down, and it looks like he’ll be out for a while. Hurry back soon, Timmy.

Denver 123, Toronto 90

While the Knicks struggle, the Nuggets keep showing that they’re just fine without that Melo dude. They strolled past the Raptors, led by 23 points from Ty Lawson. But this one was out of hand early, as no Denver starter needed to play more than 31 minutes.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Bulls destroying the Kings by 40, but at the postgame interviews Thibodeau and Drose both pointing out all the things they did wrong. Love the mentality and I love the fact that Boozer’s back. The passing between Noah and Booz is great, we’re going to be a tough team to beat come playoff time.

  • JTaylor21

    What do you mean by “We”?

  • rik

    Why did you trade thornton for landry NO…?! WHY?!

  • ClydeSays

    Knicks just too happy around halftime & you just knew the C’s would claw their way back. Nice bounce back game by Rondo & good scrappy win by the Celts.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Question: so if the Bulls and Celtics finish with the same record at the end of the season, and the Bulls win the last game between them, tying the season series, who does the tiebreaker go to?
    The team with the better division record?
    Anyways, Asik and destroy!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Knicks were up huge in the first half.
    I couldn’t believe when I saw the final score and saw the Celtics had won.
    Last night was the first time in a long time I rooted for the Knicks.
    Well, since they played Miami anyways.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    There is no reason why the Knicks can’t play the way they played in the first half all the time. They defended and most importantly moved the ball. Melo is a ball stopper of the first class, but in the first half he was actually thinking quick, making quick decisions with the ball and that’s exactly what he should do all the time. Before he even catches it he should have his next move planned and if it doesn’t work get rid of it, this is not an iso offense.

  • Darren

    that Celtics result was fairly predictable, thats what top teams do, adjust and step up their game when a challenge is made to them.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    “We,” as in Bulls fans, I’m sure.

  • T-Money

    lol, not to gang up on jahmai but the whole “we” thing always makes me laugh. unless they ctc for you, it’s “them”. / boston’s offense hasn’t been clicking lately and rondo gotta be hurt. gotta be.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    It’s not weird to me at all, just a huge bulls fan, the whole city’s behind em, that counts too, how about homecourt advantage without fans?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    The “we” might sound silly to y’all but not at all to Bulls fans.
    I already been down that road on here so I won’t get deep into it again.
    Anyways, it was refreshing to see 8 Bulls in double figures last night after Rose basically having to do it all by himself against the Pacers.
    I’m sure Rose would take 18 and 8 in 28 minutes in a huge win over 42 points and an L every time.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Naw your team is “yours”. You’ve chosen to live and die with them why not say you are part of them.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    WE, as in the city of chicago and our bulls team.

  • Toronto

    Fan – fanatic. Fans say ‘we’. Any sport, anywhere. It ties you to the team’s successes and you enjoy the games/season that much more. ‘We’ away, Jahmai…

  • JTaylor21

    By “We”, you must be talking about rose peddlers.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lightsout

    @Enigmatic: if they finish with the same record and split the season series, I believe the team with the better conference record wins out..

  • http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/ Anthony

    When i refer to the Spurs i always say “We”, and it’s not weird at all when you’re supporting the same team for almost 20 years.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @Enigmatic – If they end up with the same record and the series is 2-2, the next step for the tie breaker is who had the better record against the East squads.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Its weird to Jtaylor to say we because he’s never supported a team, only a single player like lebron. If you say ‘WE’ then, you look like you’re dating.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    lol @ Diesel true true haha

  • Toronto

    hahahaha

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Melo is looking bad right now. His new super team is struggling and his old team is balling.
    Makes me happy because I didn’t like how he handled the whole contract/trade thing. Well, I didn’t like how Melo, the Knicks and Nuggets handled the contract thing because they all were stupid. Melo should have signed a shorter deal if he wanted flexibility in selecting his team before the CBA was up and the deals changed.
    Knicks shouldn’t have gutted their team to acquire a player they then overpaid for because he wanted a new extension before the new CBA kicks in.
    Denver should have never announced they were having a fire sale for Melo. And they shouldn’t have let it drag on for so long, although in the end they appear to have gotten the best deal possible.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    The Knick’s right now are just not a good team.
    In the West, they wouldn’t be making the play-off’s.
    Marcus Thornton could come back to haunt the Hornets. Not this year, as they are not winning it with or without him. How ever, in a year or so he could be a go-to scorer.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    lol @diesel

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Allen’s first sentence is spot on.
    Although talent levels are different, imagine the flak Bron would receive if the Cavaliers made a Nugget like run at any point in the season.

  • ripslam

    @Enigmatic: Uh, you can’t tie a season series. The Celtics lead 2-0 so far.

  • JTaylor21

    Okay, you wanna play. When bulls fans say “We”, it must mean that the entire bulls squad “choo-chooed” y’all. All Aboard!!!!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @ripslam – it’s 2-1.

  • Scott

    New York needs a new coach.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    JTaylor, you lose. You are just one of the many King’s jesters.

  • JTaylor21

    A wise man told me vultures don’t war with seagulls.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Vultures?
    That is a horrible word choice.
    Eagles, hawks maybe falcons. But vultures?
    Carrion eating cowards?
    The only difference between a vulture and a seagull is that seagulls occassionally eat live meat. Lol.

  • el_larsen

    knicks fan started to chants “paul pierce sucks” in the fourth.the the truth started to play and butied the knicks .thanks knicks fan.go c’s

  • el_larsen

    buried.sorry.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    we not me…or jahmai..or enigmatic..or diesel cuz we arent actually on the bulls squad but you know what i mean. go bulls, we’re rollin right now.

  • http://Slamonline.com LakeShow

    @AP, Glad your back. Did you want to finish your thoughts on why someone whom grew up in Seattle watching the Sonics and lost his favorite franchise to some a$$holes, but now resides in LA and is a Laker fan is not a real fan. But band wagonning the heat is cool right?

  • JTaylor21

    “Can’t flap with pigeons, gotta soar with eagles”. So……..

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    owl probably wouldve also been a better choice than vulture

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Pterodactyl is probably my favorite.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    AllBall don’t trip man, Thornton is a 6th man for the rest of his career, never should he be a teams go to scorer. He will be one of the best 6th men in the league though, right along the lines of Bobby Jackson, Jason Terry

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Jtaylor, wtf is up with you. I said one thing, just: ‘we’re going to be a tough team to beat come playoff time’, and you’re making it a big thing and now you’re still going on about it? Just let it go.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    cosign the majority of what Allen said at 10:19

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    NBK
    Yeah your right. His game is suited for the 6th man role. Born for the 6th man role is probably more accurate.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lakeshow
    Sigh.
    You were a diehard Sonics fan, and now you’re a Lakers fan. That speaks for itself.
    I’ve explained my position on the Heat and fandom more than enough times. Either folks get it, or they don’t, either they disagree or agree.
    Let me ask you this. If you had moved to Cleveland, would have become a Cavs fan? Or, if you moved to Toronto, would you be rooting for the Raptors?
    For some reason, I don’t think so.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I still catch myself saying “we” every now and again and try to catch myself. No one’s more diehard for the Heat than me, but until those motherfuc*ers write me a check for my fandom instead of sucking me dry for each game I attend live, I have to accept that I’m not part of the “we” contingent I like to think I am. I hate the term “Nation” too…..Red Sox Nation, Patriot Nation, Yankee Nation all that goofy sh*t. Man, I root for one team harder than any other….the Heat (and the Dolphins to a lesser degree) and I like to think I’m part of a union with them, but to say “we” like my opinion matters or if my money wasn’t supplied to them was going to make or break their yearly financial bottom line is being naive and childish. Maybe talking sh*t with you guys and repping them in a forum like this and standing up for the team and it’s players in heated debate….I can see that and the term being used here to generalize….but I know cats that act like if they don’t watch the games on tv the team is going to suffer or if they don’t wear a particular t-shirt on gameday the squads going to fail. Those dudes have mental stability issues. I was told that I’m “part of the Heat family” by Pat Riley himself in a season ticket holder meeting a few years ago. Unfortunately, when I left that meeting that afternoon, I didn’t receive a paycheck with a Heat logo on it…..I wound up swiping my credit card and paid through the nose to watch a 15 win team play that season. I bleed Heat red and black, but ain’t nobody giving me a team related pat on the back.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And since I’ve parted with someone in the vicinity of $35,000 (never mind concessions, parking, food….what have I been thinking) over the last 15 years of having on again/off again season tickets, I should AT LEAST have some stock in those fools…but alas, I do not.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    someone=somewhere

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    haha definitely born for the role, he could be one of those perennial 20 a game guys that is used to close out games. I love Thornton’s attitude on the court. Too bad he’s so undersized, or too bad he can’t dribble or pass lol, either way.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And Eboy provides Exhibits A-Z for why I think fandom is crazy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    But at least I realize it, Allen. It took me about 15 years….but I get it now…but I do ride and die with my dudes, even though they wouldn’t ride nor die with/for me. LMAO!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    But I don’t hate on anyone else doing it, I understand it’s easy to get caught up in it.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Honestly E boy, it’s been proven that the Hornets win percentage is higher when I watch the games live.
    NBK
    Yeah, I agree. He is very similar to Jason Terry.

  • MUBWAR

    allen If Lebron was offered at the middle of the season like Melo, every single organization will put up their entire team to get him. even L.A. would be shopping the 5 time champ

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Then you SHOULD be a hired employee, AllBall.

  • JTaylor21

    Jahmai, I’ve nothing against you. I just hate when fans say “We” whenever they talk about their favorite team’s success. You may go to every game, you may have the team’s snuggie, you may have a the team’s logo tattooed on your lower back, it still doesn’t make you a part or reason for that team’s success.
    Reason #335 why I’ve never been a fan of any team; “We”

  • MUBWAR

    i meant allball

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I can see both sides of this. If CP went some where else I wouldn’t support the decision, but as soon as I got over it I would become a fan of his new team.
    I wouldn’t follow the Hornets much after that.
    I think if I grew up in the U.S, in a certain city (for example Chicago), my opinion may be different.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    F*ck that, I’ma say “we”.
    And I’m wearing my Chicago hoodie as I type this.
    I been told I have mental stability issues before.
    I’ll bee dat too.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I don’t know any Bulls fans who became Wizards fans when MJ went to play there.
    And the Bulls only won 21 games that year.

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    It’s also where you grew up and the kind of fandom you saw growing up. East teams and Midwest love their teams. Whereas, there are a lot of bandwagon jumpers on the west coast and the southern states.

  • http://Slamonline.com LakeShow

    Allen: Whom do you think I should root for? Who is right and okay to root for; and who are you not allowed to root for in your mind? I don’t care who you support at all. Its all about the passion for “your” team. If your passionate I respect that.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    yeah man, dragan tarlac was the man. those were some dark days

  • Flud

    Without fans, they’re just a bunch of tall dudes throwing a ball around a gym. Thousands of folks cheering/booing along?…that makes it a bit more. There’s nothin wrong with wanting to belong, if only for 48 mins. Collective. Society. Family. Friends. Company. there’s we all over the world. Pun intendo.

  • http://Slamonline.com LakeShow

    Also do you understand that the Sonics are not a team anymore. I had no choice but to stop rooting for an imaginary team…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lakeshow
    I don’t care who you root for, honestly.
    But, it’s quite strange to see someone type “my sonics” while their name is “Lakeshow.”
    And like I said, would you have felt obligated to root for the Cavs if you moved to Cleveland? Or maybe the Pacers in Indiana? And why didn’t you pick the Clippers as your new team?

  • T-Money

    When I was in HS, I used to get really angry and somewhat depressed when “my” team wouldn’t perform – it really affected my mood. Then I realized that my priorities were all messed up and that following sports should be entertaining and fun – not depressing. I’m still a hoops nut (watching way too many games for my gf’s liking, checking stats, debating online, even playing 2k11) but I refuse to let it carry over to my personal life once the game is over. That’s just silly. Like implying that you are part of an organization that’s not paying you and doesn’t know you even exist. Not trying to hate just sharing my views.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Flud
    The fact that they are a bunch of tall dudes throwing a ball around is what is really important, at least to me.
    Once you play basketball against decent competition, you begin to realize how much skill it takes to compete. Once you try working out, and developing skills, it’s driven home.
    So, watching people do something that only a small, small minority of the human population has ever been capable of doing is special enough, even without the whole fan aspect. It’s watching mastery of an amazing diffcult and exciting skill. The fan stuff is really the icing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Switching from the Sonics to the Lakers is like switching from the Royals to the Yankees. The Titans to the Cowboys. It contradicts the whole concept of being a “true fan” – you should either not be a fan of anyone (its not required…) be an OKC fan (that’s “seattle”) or adopt a team that isn’t one of the rivals of your former squad. atleast that’s what makes sense IMO, you live in LA? you could be a clipper fan haha

  • JTaylor21

    Nicolas, “there are a lot of bandwagon jumpers on the west coast and the southern states”, oh really. Do you have some kind of evidence to back up that ludacris statement or are you just blowing it out of your……

  • http://www.redraidersports.com Nicolas Fleming

    Just from experience. Not saying everyone in those regions are that way. Just an observation. I’ve seen many people become Dallas Cowboy fans and then hate the Cowboys and love them again. Same with the Lakers and I would say Texas is probably home to the worst type of fan. And I’m from there.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I hope Tim Duncan gets back for the playoffs..it would be terrible for San Antonio to have a season like this and then lose all their momentum right before the playoffs. Even though I just want them healthy so they can prove they aren’t really a title threat…

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    @ airs – Dalibor Bagaric!

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    @allen…You really think its a difficult skill? I think its more of having the right genetics than anything. I know lots of skilled people who just don’t have the size. Then the guys with size hardly focus on the skills side because of the god gifted talent of being tall and they usually succeed more often.

  • http://Slamonline.com LakeShow

    Okay so let me get this straight being a clipper fan would be okay with everyone, right?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    hahaha man remember when we had brent barry

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Allen, to play devil’s advocate, didn’t you up and become a Heat fan this year cause of the “big three”?
    How is that any different from LakeShow switching up his allegiance?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen has said repeatedly he isn’t a heat fan. He wants to see the best basketball available, so presumably, a team with a top 2, top 5, top 15 player should be involved in the drama. I want NYK to pick things up, I hate the knicks but I want to see the most competitive & skilled playoffs possible. I feel the same about the Lakers. I assume from what Allen has said, over and over and over that he feels similar about the Heat.

  • http://Slamonline.com LakeShow

    And i repeat my team was snatched from me. I could do nothing. I moved to LA. I have always been a fan of Kobe’s. (which i know on this website is absolutely ludacris) So for me the transition wasn’t as hard as it would have been to root for Billy Chrystal and the Clippers.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    nbk is gonna get his nose dirty with all that butt kissing…

  • http://Slamonline.com LakeShow

    AllenP is a huge Heat fan. That much is obvious here. He won’t deny that.

  • JTaylor21

    Having the “right genetics” has nothing to do with becoming a great basketball player because I know plenty of people who had great genetics; size, strength and leaping ability, that can’t even make a D3 squad let alone the NBA.
    For example, a guy like JWhite what happened to him? Didn’t he possess all the genetics in the world that are needed to become a decent NBA player. If it was as easy as people think, there would be countless cats in the L instead of the few 300 that play today.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    @nbk – Chicago’s playing better basketball than Miami, though.
    Sorry, Eboy.
    @airs – Maaaan, I remember being p*ssed that Ron Mercer got no love for the all-star game!
    How about Eddie Robinson? And how everyone thought he was gonna be a superstar one day.
    Maybe next year…maybe next year…maybe…lol

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    @JTaylor…Kwame Brown is still in the nba. Keith Bogans is a starter for the best team in the East. That’s just to name a few who are not skilled at all. There also aren’t countless 7 footers and guys 6’7 seven and above who are quick as hell and can jump out the gym. LBJ is the perfect example even though he’s a great passer which is a skill but the other parts of him are all God gifted.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    oh yeah is that what repeating what someone said is? You might get your face dirty stealing other peoples sayings.. LakeShow I mean it makes sense to switch teams, but you really made it sound like you were a diehard Sonics fan, and me knowing “diehard” suns fans, I know that there is not a single one of them that would go from Phoenix to the Lakers, even if there was no team here. And Sonics relationship to the Lakers is very similar. I apologize for judging you based on your fandom, I just don’t understand it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    It doesn’t matter how often I say it, people will still believe I really care about the Heat.
    I don’t care about the Heat. I really, in my heart of hearts, wanted LeBron and Amare to sign in Chicago, Wade and Bosh to sign in Miami and have them duke it out. That was my dream solution. Also, I would have liked to see either Wade or Joe Johnson sign in Chicago with a big, and LeBron and another big to to New York. Hell, I would have been fine if Bosh signed in Cleveland with LeBron.
    What I wanted was some new power teams with superstars playing together because that creates better rivalries and more exciting games. I never event considered all three guys going to Miami, and when it was announced, I figured that since all of them are in the same place, I hope they do well and give me some history to enjoy. Even thought I don’t particularly like LeBron, I did want to see him succeed after so many people started rooting for him to fail because I like to be contrary like that.
    Bottom line, I don’t care about any of these teams. I really don’t. I used to care a lot about the players, I don’t care as much about them, although I still care some.
    I care about watching good basketball. There is nothing better than watching good basketball. No other sport compares. That’s all I want to see. Hell, while it would be cool to see Miami prove everybody wrong and go to the Finals, at the beginning of the season I was pulling for a Lakers Celtics rematch to see the final decision on which of those two teams was better. Now, with the Perkins trade, I don’t care as much.
    Does everybody get it now?
    Oh, and if you think NBA stardom is all about genetics, you really, really don’t get it.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    I’ll cosign JTaylor’s 2:21 comment.
    James White, Gerald Green, Qyntel Woods, I could go on.
    It’s about more than just athleticism and genetics.
    ALTHOUGH, height certainly helps.
    There’s definitely been some 7’2″ guys in the L that wouldn’t have made it if they were 6’9″ or 6’8″.
    @SG – come on, just cause Kwame Brown and Keith Bogans may not look that skilled to the average person or compared to say, a Pau Gasol or a Kobe Bryant, doesn’t mean they have no skills.
    Bogans is an outstanding defender. Dude was getting steals left and right last night. And he is a decent shooter too.
    Kwame is a decent player too, he was just expected to be the next KG and he’s more like, maybe the next Antonio Davis or something.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    They are matic, I got no problem with that. I just don’t want the Heat, Lakers, Knicks, anyteam with superior talent to be a doormat or after thought. I want every series to go 7 games, every game to go to overtime, and end in a buzzer beater. No series has been more entertaining over my lifetime then the Bulls Celtics series a couple years ago, I want that every series.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    I can prove that its more genetics but don’t have time. And I do get it, I get lots of things cause I’m an intelligent guy.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Enigmatic
    My point for Lakeshow was that he didn’t become a Lakers fan because he moved to L.A.
    He became a Lakers fan because he just so happened to want to cheer for one of the most popular teams in the league.
    If he he moved to a city with a bottom feeder, I doubt he would have jumped on their bandwagon. If he was a diehard Sonics fan, he likely would have been so turned off by the way that team was snatched from that city that he refused to become a fan of any team again.
    What happened was that he jumped on a bandwagon. He needs to believe I did the same.
    Can anyone honestly say I’ve fawned over Miami? I’ve expressed excitement for their chance to be a historic team, I’ve ridiculed them for their failures and defended LeBron for his decision, but when have I truly behaved like a fan?
    Think about it.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Remember what Kenny Smith stated years ago; “Steve Kerr will give you 50.” Witnessing what we all consider low/no talent NBA players outside of the NBA play is damn near god-like.. trust me.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    If the same guys in the nba who are stars now were 5’9 and had the same skillset then few of those guys would be in the league. That’s a damn fact. If you don’t think so then you just really, really don’t get it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    SG
    Intelligent or not, you don’t get this.
    The level of skill it requires to consistently hit the shots LeBron hits, particularly the jumpshots with defenders in his grill, is astronomical.
    I’m not saying that having physical talents is irrelevant, I’m saying that if you don’t have certain skills, it you don’t have a certain drive, then you can’t make the NBA. Period.
    Every player long term player in the NBA has a discernible talent that they have developed. Kwame Brown is one of the best post defenders in the League. Early in his career he had several 20/20 games. His problem is with consistency and his mental toughness, not with a lack of skills.
    Keith Bogans is not even that large. He made the NBA mainly because of his willingness to do the little things, and his hard work.
    Talent is important, but saying that’s all that matters is crazy. People think it’s just about jumping high, being tall and running fast but it’s really not. There are millions of people who can do those three things but can’t play in the NBA.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    SG
    You’re really not understanding the point.
    Watch a D-League game, then watch an NBA game. The level of size and athletic ability is not that different in the two leagues, but the difference in SKILL is amazing. Same thing with Euro ball and the NBA.
    Or Division one ball and Division 3.
    It’s not all about genetics at all, it’s hard for me to understand anyone believing that.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    “If he was a diehard Sonics fan, he likely would have been so turned off by the way that team was snatched from that city that he refused to become a fan of any team again.”
    THAT I must agree with.
    There were a lot of Sonics fans up here in Alaska because…hell, I don’t know, I actually clown on them for liking Seattle teams, but I guess geographically it’s the closest city.
    When the Sonics were no more, they lost a lot of interest in rooting for any particular team.
    They’ll still watch the NBA.
    But don’t really root for anyone.
    I stay a Chicago fan no matter where I move to, personally.
    After high school, lived in Okinawa, Virginia and now Alaska but still root for Chicago and always will.

  • http://Slamonline.com LakeShow

    NBK I was a kid growing up with the Sonics. Die hard as they get. I have a Olden Polynice jersey, Detlef Schrempf jersey, Dale Ellis jersey, Rashard Lewis jersey, Ray Allen jersey, Luke Ridinour jersey, Danny Fortson (f*ckin loved that dude) jersey, and numerous other pictures cards and other memorabilia. Loved the Sonics. They left me. I moved, and moved on. Wasn’t easy but i don’t need a bunch of guys telling me i’m not a “real” fan. With how much i invest into the NBA. I am a “real” fan.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Bogans is like 6’5. The average guy is not 6’2 or beyond. Of course you have to have a high amount of skill to go along with being an NBA player but many more guys have been drafted bc of their size, quickness, jumping ability (genetics). The genetics gets them noticed and into the nba and the skills help get you longevity in the nba. My point is GMs salivate over the genetics or the eye test more than the skillset. You constantly see players in the league who can hardly shoot and who lack basic fundamentals. Someone named Gerald Green but he was still a first round draft pick who got several opportunities and James White had a few stints with the Rockets. You hardly see shooters drafted, PGs who are great passers and shooters drafted (bc the lack the size, speed which are very much genetic to play in the NBA.)

  • http://Slamonline.com LakeShow

    I like how your soooo proud to not be a fan of any teams Allen. Like that is somehow better than being a fan. So sorry I am a passionate fan who watches 150 plus games every year. So to quote you yesterday “Get the F*ck outta here.”

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    The Euros have a very high skillset but they don’t make it in the league bc you hear they lack the speed and size to compete.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    SG is right about his last point. I know plenty of athletically/ challenged But there is a difference between height, and coordinated height. Coordination comes from a genetic base, but is more or less the result of hard work.

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    Danny Fortson was dope.
    Relentless on the glass.
    Dude averaged like 20 rebounds a game per 48 minutes several times in his career.

  • JTaylor21

    Amen to that. I’m betting that Brian Scalabrine could step onto any court where local chaps ball regularly, he’s dropping 50 on them without breaking a sweat. NBA players are that good, just imagine if White Mamba could do that, what does that say about just how good guys like the Black Mamba, DWade and other elite players are.
    There’s a reason why these guys are paid millions to do what they do and it has nothing to do with just having the “right genetics”

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Even in the Rec Leagues, the tall guys and the guys who can jump out the gym always get picked first over the guys with actual skill.

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    Jtaylor…Scalabrine is 6’8. Of course he could dominate on any court outside the nba. Height is genetic. Why don’t you understand that?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Enig you are awesome for knowing that lol. “Baddest Man in Pigtails!!”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Athletically/Vertically Challenged players with Pro Skillsets* But its also possible to develop athletic skills, like going to speed camps, doing jump programs, yada yada. And height doesn’t keep anyone out of anywhere, its about the work you put in. And if you disagree why don’t you give my boy J.J Barea a phone call, and ask him how his height got him to the NBA

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    @SG – so what about Earl Boykins, Muggsy Bouges?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    SG
    You specifically said that it’s not a difficult skill. Or at least you implied that in your comments.
    I disagree vehemently. It’s really hard, regardless of how tall you are, or how well you jump, to play basketball at the level they play it in the NBA.
    I guess we just disagree.
    Lakeshow
    Of course I think my way is better, that’s why I’m doing it. If I didn’t think it was better, why would I do it. And, where did I say you weren’t a “real” fan. I said from the beginning, there is something mighty curious about someone saying “my sonics” but having the name Lakeshow. That is laughable
    And it’s even stranger when said person doesn’t like “bandwagon” fans.
    You dont’ like bandwagon fans, but when the NBA stripped your city of its longtime team you switched your allegiance to one of the most popular teams in the league.
    Ummm, ok.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If you define a true fan as someone who just joined the “movement” after they lost their own team that’s fine. I doubt people who have been rooting for the Lakers and only the Lakers their entire lives think of you in the same way as they do themselves, they actually probably consider you a bandwagon fan, whether they say it to your face or not. And its not saying bandwagon fans aren’t fans, they are, just not for the traditional reason. What happens when/if seattle gets a team again? is it contradictory for you to switch back or stay with LA?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    didn’t mean to echo anything previously said, salesman in my office distracting me from my work and my commenting my bad

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow – a passionate fan who watches over 150 games a year? what team plays 150 games a year for you to be a fan of? The Mariners?

  • http://nobulljive.com/ Enigmatic

    LOL @nbk. I hate when work distracts me from commenting too.
    Like I have an hour long meeting later.
    Damnit. Can’t they see I have commenting to do!
    Oh, and nbk – in regards to yesterday with your rat terrier dog – all terriers were originally bred for that purpose.
    To dig out vermin and such.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    But your telling me your way is better Allen. As opposed to me i’m not telling you how to be a fan. I don’t like some guy i don’t know telling me how to be a fan. You can like who ever you like. I don’t like that your not passionate but i’m telling you you have to be. I loved my Sonics as much as anyone could love a team. Lakers were NEVER the Sonics rival. That was the Trailblazers and the Bulls. I actually like to go to games live. I couldn’t do that in Seattle anymore. But i could do that once i moved to LA. Being a fan of Kobe’s made it an easier transition than it could have been to “pick” another team. I could care less if they are considered popular. But i know, i’m not a “real” fan cause i’m not like you.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    NBK. have you heard of DVR? have you heard of watching multiple teams play…. i mean really dude.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    haha thanks matic, now I have to look up why that one is specifically called Rat. And now I gotta go leave to do some stuff for work haha, i’ll holler at ya’ll later.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    well then I’m a true fan of the entire league. what does watching every team have to do with being a fan? whatever, i’m out, someone make some sense out of this

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lakeshow I’m going to address this one last time.
    I never said you weren’t a real fan.
    I pointed out that you saying “my sonics” while at the same time being a diehard Lakers fan is funny.
    How you take that is how you take it.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    But Allen I can’t be a die hard Sonics fan. There is no such thing. I live in LA!!! I like Kobe. How you take that is up to you also.
    NBK i didn’t know there was a a difference between a fan and a guy who loves and watches a rediculous amount of basketball…

  • http://slamonline Brion

    Being from Seattle I too was a life long Sonics fan, Lakeshow was right, no Sonics fan could start rooting for our rivals the Blazers, definatly can NOT root for OKC! But as a Sonics fan I was always a Laker Hater. So its really hard for me to find a team to go with? After we lost our Sonics I vowed to be done watching NBA ball for good.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Shout out to Dion Glover.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Are you still holdin to that Brion? I had to watch NBA. I love the leagu to much to bail on them even if they bailed on me. I wasn’t a laker hater (obviously) and it grew pretty quickly for me once my new city offered a home team for me to go watch.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    So how’d that work out for you, Brion?

  • T-Money

    The skill of Euro league is grossly exagerated. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. SG, you’re soooo off. What people often forget is that a guy like Keith Bogans is not good enough to do anything else than defend and shoot open 3s… in the NBA. When he was at Kentucky, he was damn near Paul Pierce! And if he dropped on your local run, he would be MJ. Jason Kidd said that when he was in HS, he had trouble just getting a shot up vs GP when they were playing 1vs1. When people say that it doesn’t require a lot of skill and just genetics to play in the NBA, I know right away that they have never played college ball. Am I lying?

  • http://slamonline Brion

    Well I ordered NBA league pass this year if that tells ya anything

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    lol. Who’s your team? cause your not a “fan” here unless you have 1 and only 1. jp. thats how cats play on here.

  • http://slamonline Brion

    What am I gonna do, start following the Mariners? no thanks

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    LOL

  • T-Money

    SG: you say you know a lot of people with skills who just don’t have the size for the NBA. Now, if your skilled friends can’t, say, hit at least 75% of their jumpers in practice then there’s really nothing to talk about. I’ve played against fringe NBA guys like Denham Brown and Bill Walker in AAU, camps and whatnot and their skill level (not athletic ability) is off the chart. They can rain jumpers with guys in their face like it’s nothing. Split double teams and stop on a dime for the pull up J… at 230 lb! Of course, they can’t do that in the league because there others even more skilled than them at creating but they would blow your mind in an open gym.

  • http://slamonline Brion

    Now I gravitate towards what team is the most entertaining to watch….which win or lose is usually the Heat, but by no means do I consider them “my team”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lakeshow you started off arguing that you were a laker fan, now your a fan of the whole league? That’s fine, but define yourself. Don’t defend being a Laker fan by saying you watch over 150 games a year, that doesn’t make any sense. You are a fan of the NBA, who roots for the Lakers because he doesn’t have a home town team? is that what your trying to say?

  • Michael

    lol Jtaylrs six word comment has got everyone going at it again over nothing. Yall get played on the daily.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    oh yeah, we gettin played? like we don’t choose to come on here and talk about meaningless NBA stuff, we get suckered in? yup makes sense, if anything I’m happy about anything said on here that provokes responses. Maybe you thinkin we are getting played is actually you getting played?

  • http://slamonline.com SG

    You hear Jimmer Fredette ability to play in the NBA questioned not because of his skillset but his because of speed, athletic ability, and size. So that proves my point.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    The only problem with that NBK is that i live in LA and like the Lakers allot.. So no i’m a fan of the Lakers and like watching basketball in general. I’m surprised how difficult this is to comprehend. Fan of the Lakers and a fan of the league. Oooooh ahhhhh. I’m like a hybrid

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    or a bandwagon fan lol which is straight

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    SG – Jimmer Fredette is more athletic then Steve Nash. But Fredette also isn’t riding his bike around campus dribbling a tennis ball to increase his ball handling. See the difference

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The biggest strength of any basketball player is their mind, then their work ethic. You can have as many physical gifts as you want, if your dumb as rocks then you will never be able to use it properly.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    There were, and still are players who are considered slow, and non – athletic.
    1 – Nash
    2 – Michael Redd
    3 – Boris Diaw
    4 – Tim Duncan
    5 – Mario Chalmers
    6 – Antoine Walker
    All of those guys have a skill(s) that has made them great livings, no?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    How do you bandwagon on your home team.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    well you have 2 “hometeams”, and your picking one because you like Kobe Bryant right? If Kobe went anywhere else would you be a fan of that team? If the Lakers didn’t have Kobe, would you be a Clippers fan? If you moved to Detroit would you be a Pistons fan? Stop calling it your hometown team that is clearly not the reason you jumped on the wagon. I don’t understand why it matters to you that your viewed as a bandwagon fan, just like you don’t understand why I won’t accept that your a true Laker fan, or whatever you call yourself.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Philo
    Michael Redd came into the league as an athlete/slasher/scorer. He built himself into a shooter.
    Nash wasn’t considered unathletic. He wasn’t considered an eye-popping athlete. Mark Jackson was considered unathletic, huge difference.
    Mario Chalmers was never consider unathletic.
    You’re right about Duncan and Walker.
    Jimmer Freddette is a scorer in a point guard’s body with average to below average athleticism.
    That makes a big difference.
    The League is about the combination of intelligence and ability. The best players have skill and smarts. Mediocre players have one or the other. I can’t understand how you can watch the games and think otherwise.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    LOL @ Michael.
    So I guess we should just go on here, say “FIRST!” and comment on how our favorite teams performed the night before and leave it at that like on other, crappier websites.
    But see we like actually being engaged in good basketball convo here, no matter how silly or trivial the subject at hand might be.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    No, the Sonics aren’t a team. They don’t exsist. I have one Home, and one team that lives in it. Yes maybe i would be a Clippers fan. I would not be a fan of Kobe’s new team if he was not a Laker just of him.

    Urban Dictionary: Anyone who claims they are a “fan” of a particular sports team, even though they had no prior support for/interest in the team until that team started winning. These types of fans only show playoff interest, have probably never watched a regular season game, don’t own any type of team merchandise, nor would they buy any. None of that applies to me.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen, a lot of those guys were the smartest before they got to the league. I think that’s what the average fan doesn’t realize (not you, i’m sure you know but its worth saying), every player in the league was the best player in his high school, city, and was one of, if not the best player in their whole state. Its just that the NBA is a collection of the “best” from everywhere, so it may seem like some of these guys are “unathletic” or “dumb” but in reality, they are generally smarter and more athletic (on the court) then 99% of the population.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    LakeShow did you just use the Urban Dictionary to prove your not a bandwagon fan? Whatever man, your a “late-arrival” fan…happy?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, NBK.
    Some cats, depending on their physical gifts, can get away with being “stupid” in a sense when they are playing against lesser competition in high school and college. They don’t get exposed until they get to a level where their physical gifts either give them no true advantage, or only a very small advantage.
    But I agree, for the most part, professional basketball is a collection of cats who absolutely dominated on every level, or at the very least on the high school level. All of them used to kill players at some point.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    your probably right, although i can’t think of many “dumb basketball players” that dominated college. Dumb people? yes, but on the court those people are not dumb. See Ron Artest, Stephon Marbury

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yes I am NBK. Band Wagon fan just sounds so condescending. I am a huge fan of the Lakers. Watched all but 7 total regular season games in the last 5 years and every playoff one. And go to several every year. I’m the dopest band wagon fan ever if I am one lol. Well the dictionary doesn’t exactly have the phrase “band wagon fan” in it does it?..

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t have a problem with BandWagon/Late-Arrival/NewToTheCityNeedATeamToLove fans, I just get a little aggrivated when a person claims to be a hardcore fan of one team, then call another team your own. Your circumstances are obviously a little different being from Seattle, but as a Laker fan I don’t view you with the same disdain that I view the lifelong laker fans I have to deal with on a regular basis that have no place in a logical discussion on anything that can even relate to the Lakers. Hopefully your the objective kind of Laker fan, that can separate his fandom from his brain, cuz if not, you joined the party pretty late to develop laker brain damage

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ricky Davis was dumb. That’s the first name that came to me.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I can deal with Laker fans.
    Personally, I can’t stand Celtics fans (most of them, BostonBaller who comments on here occasionally is a good dude) and stupid Knicks fans.
    I say “stupid Knicks fans” cause most of their fans are extremely smart and know the game really well, but…there’s always those few…

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Then again…thinking about some of the Laker fans on this site…nevermind.
    Laker fans are pretty bad too.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I certainly am. LeBron is better than Kobe this year. That should be enough for you right there. I like Kobe better. I’d take Kobe buuuut LeBron is better than Kobe is this year. Blind Laker fans won’t admit that. But view me as you will, ima keep loving and rooting for who i love. If i could still be a hardcore Sonics fan you better sure as hell believe i would be. But i can’t be, and circumstances have allowed me to move on thankfully.

  • Desert Storm

    1st 50+ winning season since 98. I got a good feeling about these Bulls.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Good LakeShow I understand and I respect you keeping your head and not gettin too defensive wasn’t trying to ruffle your feathers or anything

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Haha thanks man. Respect to you also for defending your argument.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Ricky Davis what’a gem haha. Him and Trevor Ruffin (remember him?, amazing skill, brainless) are the only two I can think of. The rest all pretty much lack the work ethic aspect that is more important the further along a player gets in their career.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I always thought Dickey Simpkins was an abosulte idiot during the Bulls’ second three-peat.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Keon Clark was suspect intellectually, also.
    Allen:
    The reason I say Redd is because of his weight issues. That robbed him of whatever explosiveness he did have. And we can see that Chalmers in not an athlete of prime time caliber.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Philo he tore his ACL I think that’s what killed his explosiveness

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Nbk:
    His weight issues tore up his knee, too. A la Kendrick Perkins.

  • sutphin

    Bulls fans, Laker fans, and Heat fans all suck.

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    It takes all together skills AND genetics 2 succeed. It’s a combination that differs from one individual to the other and I don’t think u can really generalise and say which one more than the other is THE FACTOR.
    Like that debate I had with my wife the other day, which quality do u need more to succeed as an actor, good looks or talent?
    And LakeShow, I believe you are a TRUE Lakers and Sonics fan. Can we moove on?

  • http://slamonline.com The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Matic, why do u hate Celtics fans? (I am one)

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    lol We moved on Fresh Prince. Thanks though i needed someone to say that haha. and your right on the combination of both attributes is what makes a player make it to the league.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    I don’t know if it’s genetics as much as it is being active and developing athletic skills from a young age. I mean genetics help tremendously, but you can get over that hump if you really put everything into it. Granted below average height is the most obvious but there are guys who have overcome those obstacles. Outside of a physical/mental handicap, if a person has been athletic and developing those types of coordination then they can become a professional athlete/basketball player, as long as that sport is specifically focused on and dedicated too

  • http://bigleaguewiffleball.com/ Jon

    The Celtics showed a lot of heart in the second half against the Knicks last night on the road. This could be what they needed for a spark with less than a month left in the regular season.

  • Michael

    @Nbk your on a baskeball dedicated website arguing about being a basketball fan. If your on this site your obviously a fan in some way so who gives a fuc.k whether your a fan of a team or a player or how long someone has supported a team , we’re all fans.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    @enigmatic, mad late but duuuuude, i thought ron mercer had the sweetest jumpshot. maybe it was just me but that hopstep before he shot was so cool to me haha

  • JTaylor21

    Damn the Hucks suck! That’s what you get when a team decides to crown an overrated player their leader and pays him 120 million. Mind you that this was after he had one of the worst individual playoff series of all-time.
    Even stevie wonder can see that Weak Joe Young doesn’t deserve that kind of money.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    I’ve had the priviledge, yes it is that, to play with or against Nba players over the years. Mostly in a camp setting, (my company works has close ties to Nike Asia & i coach in an afterschool program in my free time) and yes even guys who are not in the top 10 scoring lists are incredibly talented when compared to us with lesser skills.
    My most jarring experience was a late night pickup game last summer during nba BwB in S’pore. Ariza, Brewer and i against Gibson, Garcia and one of the kids from China who was in camp.
    At times i found myself pausing midgame to marvel at those guys ,and they sure as hell were not giving a 100%.
    The physical gifts are necessary, sure, but i was most impressed by the utter will to win and how every jumper, every spin move, was done with minimal waste of energy. Garcia kept coming of screens to drain contested shots as if nobody was there. And the D, man i busted out every move in my arsenal, and i couldn’t truly shake a big like Gibson when matched up against him (i’m a guard). I kept telling myself i probably could hang with them when fully healthy (just came back from a heel tear then) but that was just bravado on my side.
    As a longtime fan of the League, i still feel awe when i see these guys in person. It’s… inspirational.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    My dude Darksaber…
    thanks honor.

  • http://www.slamonline.com melvin ely

    that’s pretty cool right there Dark. Who won?

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    That is pretty cool stuff right there Dark. I completely agree with the reasoning that NBA players are supremely talented. My two closest encounters with NBA talent was watching Moochie Norris at a day of summer league play on Georgetown campus, the talent of the rest of the guys playing was real good but Moochie was just dominating and he wasn’t bigger or more of an athlete. The other moment – the one I really treasure – was guarding Christian Drejer (played for the Gators and was drafted in the first round by the Nets some years back, he went on to star at FC Barcelona and Italy before injuries ended his career prematurely) in the Danish U-20 championship. Drejer is 6’8, 100kg, wiry strong and could just about leap from the free-throw line, I am 6’0, 78kg, and at the time lightning quick, quite an athlete and what you would call a very pesky and annoying defender. We played Box and 1 on Drejer who was averaging around 40 a game, and we held him to 29 on low FG% and he even elbowed me like 5 times during the game. Once right in the face because I was basically stuck in his jersey all night. My team did all we could to contain him and then some, but the skill level was just a whole other level.

  • Michael

    Darksaber thats so cool.

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    *correction Drejer was drafted 51st and not in the first round.

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    By ‘closest encounters’ I mean apart from attending actual NBA games.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Sounds about right, I used to play with Nigel Knight a few days a week A couple years ago abandon LA Fitness. he had to be in his late 40′s, he absolutely was trashin everyone for the first couple games, every single day. It was pretty shocking at first, until I saw that when he lost he would force himself onto the next team. He would play like 6 straight everyday win or lose At an open gym against relative nobody’s

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    At an* autospell on the phone is whack

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    @melvin ely: i played 3 games (1st to 21) with that group, we lost 2:1.
    My boss told me that during his sessions, Horford decided to join in and his team killed any combo of the other 4 Nba players at camp.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Fresh Prince – lot of Celtic fans are arrogant a-holes.
    But not everyone of course.
    I shouldn’t generalize like that, my bad.
    Oh and um, Derrick Rose for MVP.
    30, 10 and 4 in 29 minutes.
    Bulls have outscored their last two opponents 236 to 173.
    Yessir.

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