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Wednesday, April 13th, 2011 at 6:00 pm  |  123 responses

Kobe Bryant Fined $100k for Gay Slur

The NBA hit Bryant with a financial slap on the wrist ($100,000) for his regrettable use of a gay slur against a ref last night. David Stern called it “offensive and inexcusable.” Here’s more from the Commish: “While I’m fully aware that basketball is an emotional game, such a distasteful term should never be tolerated … insensitive or derogatory comments are not acceptable and have no place in our game or society.”

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  • robb

    Ridiculous, players say sh*t like that all the time. The difference? the TV caught him. David Stern is a f*cking f@g.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics letsmotor

    bravo, robb. wish your boss would fine you 100k too.

  • Red Star

    That’s pocket change for Mr Bryant, pocket change!! Lakers 4 Life!!

  • mike

    Tim Hardaway disagrees.

  • mike

    The money was deposited into an account belonging to a Mr. Amaechi.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics letsmotor

    of course it makes a difference that he got caught on camera, why shouldn’t it? this is a premiere player, i’d suggest the best in the league, and it’s in the league’s and therefore David Stern’s best interest that he is liked and respected. being caught saying things like this does not promote either of those things, so it’s Stern’s job to deter him from saying things like this ever, for fear of being caught on camera. besides, don’t we want a future where discrimination (whether over race, religion, sexual orientation) are not issues? ain’t gonna accomplish that when top-tier athletes are spreading stuff like this.

  • http://twitter.com/BeezKneezy LA Huey

    By Robb’s logic, no crime or offense should have repercussions or punishments if they happen everyday.

  • Shourjo

    This one’s easy – the league got it right.

  • ripslam

    “Slap on the wrist”? This is a hundred grand we’re talking here. Also, @robb, so if someone steals from a store or vandalizes a car and they get away with it, then it’s perfectly all right?

  • LP10

    Yes I agree that Kobe was wrong for that. I also agree that the fine is pocket change for Kobe (maybe similar to an every day person paying a parking ticket)… but It is messed up that the camera man ZOOMED in on his mouth as he was saying it!

  • robb

    @letsmotor so you are suggesting the players should restrain themselves from saying anything? gimme a f*cking brake. People talk like that, it happens all the time. Kobe didn’t do it during a press conference or anything, it was during a game, emotions run high, the TV’s always trying to go all access and those are the risks. Even the announcer said they should take the camera off. TNT screwed up. First the refs give players t’s for everything and now Stern fines them for using “derogatory comments”. Stern wants players to become lifeless and robotic that’s stupid, the apology was enough.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    robb: Three things.
    a) $100k for Kobe is like 12 bucks for you and me.
    b) The REASON Kobe is so rich is because all his games are on TV. If he wants to say dumb sh*t on the court, he needs to say it into his shirt or play for free at the park down in Laguna. Realizing he’s on camera every second he’s on the court is part of his job.
    c) The message matters here. Stern is saying a major professional league will not tolerate this sh*t. Which is terrific.

  • irondan21

    Kobe!No crime to use a “slur.”

  • JTaylor21

    I guess talk isn’t cheap.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wonder what they did to the ref who called a player a derogatory name? We didn’t get that info. Also KG should be playing for free is slurs get fines since says b*tch all the time.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This feels capricious.

  • Klav

    So $100,000 is a nice salary…Kobe was fined that. Although to him that amounts to almost half of one percent of his overall salary. WOW.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Allenp: Do you really feel like b*tch and f*ggot are comparable? I guess you could argue that a slur is a slur is a slur, but certainly from a perception standpoint, there’s been no well-publicized string of suicides among women who’ve been bullied by being called “b*tch.” They don’t seem to carry similar weight.

  • robb

    @ Ryan Jones yeah, it sounds great in theory, but you’re not gonna go “oh I should behave because the TV’s here and I gotta calm down” after you get t’d it doesn’t work that way.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Although I do like the idea of KG playing for free…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ryan
    Man I think the word had been used so much that we have gotten hardened to it. But listening to women talking about street harassment and sexual harassment it has become clear to me that word is just as.powerful even if.it.is more.accepted in a way. Kind of n*gga.
    On my phone at a city council meeting so excuse the typos.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lightsout

    yeah, it doesn’t work that way, robb, but it should, and if you can’t make it work that way, you pay the price. besides, i think it’s pretty typical for the camera to go straight to a player’s face after they’re t’d up, so don’t make it out to be TNT’s fault. i understand the frustration, but there are other things he could’ve said. actually, it’s surprising he didn’t think of that, given how self-conscious he usually is.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    robb: Again, it’s literally part of his job. These guys are as wealthy as they are because of the amount of money advertisers pay ABC and ESPN and TNT to pay the NBA to broadcast its games. Without TV money, Kobe is relatively famous and relatively wealthy. With TV money, he is one-name famous in China and Brazil, and he has stacks of F-U money in his spare bedroom. Being able to control his mouth when he’s in front of all those lucrative cameras is his responsibility. If he fails in it, he pays. It’s really pretty simple.

  • http://slamonline.com SpaceJam

    yea whateva. when kobe gets his 6th ring, he’s gonna be able to pay whateva fines he wants. oh yea! i bleed yellow and purple. ive been a die hard lakers fan since they won from 00-02 and then i became a fan when they started winnin in 2008. Kobe is the greatest player ever. and he does it all by himself. Whatchu got MJ? Kobe will end up with 12 rings, all time in scoring, and all time in rebounding. can u say GOAT + infiniti? aint no team that can beat my boyz. boooh yaaaa! LA LA LA.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And really, if he’d said “f*cking @sshole” instead, none of us would be talking about it. He can lose his cool and swear on national TV, but there are some words he cannot say. That was one of them.

  • http://www.double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    The funny thing about this is how many other players have said something like this, or way worse, but the cameras didn’t pick it up? I understand the fervor regarding Kob’s choice (or lack of) words, but you gotta be kidding me with this fine. Stern is such a hypocrite. Seriously.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I just read some stuff from women about the way men intimidate and threaten them with the word b*tch.
    And I have seen it. We use it casually in music and regular life but it is still a serious slur in my opinion. And it speaks directly to masculinity just f*ggot

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Zee: Stern is the head of a massive corporation whose success depends in large part on the public perception of his company’s brand. You’re right there’d be no fine if this had happened off camera. But it did. So there is.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Fair points, Allen. I still don’t weigh them quite equally, but I feel you.
    And my sympathies on the city council meeting…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And my man talking sh*t on MJ while using the name “SpaceJam” seems like my cue to sign off. Goodnight.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Zee
    I agree and I disagree with Ryan here.
    it is not cool to randomly enforce rules only because of media pressure. Particularly when Stern has resisted doing that in order areas using the excuse of being consistent.
    That is why I used the word b*tch as an example. So common a slur yet ignored every game.
    It is capricious and it is pandering. That bothers me a lot but it doesn’t absolve Kobe.

  • http://www.double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    Allenp and Ryan: Question. Does any of this transpiring have anything to do with the referees quick whistles this season, along with the even quicker issuing of technical fouls? The “commissioner” even said in his statement that basketball is an emotional game. Seems that temperamental individuals are driven to that boiling point even quicker now. Again this is not excusing what Kobe said, just wondering what elements got him to that point.

  • robb

    Every single thing caught on camera gets overdimensioned, when something like this happens and Stern goes all strict and fine a player it gives people a false sense of discipline within the league. It’s just ridiculous.

  • greenery

    ok then… how about fines everytime the n bomb is dropped clearly visible??? that’s at least as offensive… or an f-word… or how about as a celtics fan ive seen kg mutter to himself or scream straight in someone’s face “f***ing f***ot b*tch A$$ motherf***er” at the very, very least twice a game. I understand and respect the feelings mr Jones and the like (always been one of my favs, no homo, & not trying to get on ur good side before i attempt to shhh on ur point), but idk, i lean more towards what robb said, its one thing if its a press conference, its another thing if its in the heat of the game where mics shouldnt be anyways, where alot worse gets said on a nightly basis than F***ot… and finally, one of my favorite kendrick perkins moments was he and kg doubling the sideline inbounds man (Bargs i believe) hopping up and down appearing to be yelling just awful, foul things, and andrea got flustered, and celts win, and andrea’s mom didn’t demand a fine from the league. is it not PC? yes, but its much more fun and authentic than the basketball playing robots stern is building for the future, to this fan anyways. sorry for the novel ya’ll

  • http://juanm.garcia@comcast.net TruthTeller

    For a country that claims to have freedom of speech there are a lot of you here who sound like real phaggots*

  • Tim Dogg

    robb, your argument bears no weight. Of course he has a right to be angry, but the point is he could have chosen to call the ref anything he wanted, or say nothing at all. Unfortunately, he decided to slander an entire group of people by associating being gay with being in some way inferior.
    Of course, over the years gays have taken back the word in order to claim a sense of empowerment. Maybe this is just Kobe’s way of coming out of the closet.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    I can’t get with Ryan on this one. You can’t randomly fine a guy because his foul language was picked up on TV. It shouldn’t matter that TV sponsorships help pay his salary. If Stern doesn’t have a list of “words that can and cannot be used as trash talk or referee belittlement during a nationally televised TV broadcast” then he can’t justify this fine at all. How about he go to the TV networks and tell the camermen when a guy is throwing a tantrum off the court, stay the heck out of his face!

  • thadoogal23

    kobe’s been done because its on camera and its now out there. Thanks to youtube etc that film is out there and the only thing the nba can be seen to do is frown upon it. That’s the only control they have on the situation. Do a 100 worse things get said on courts every night. Bet you they do. The nba will only act on the ones that affect the nba’s image

  • TruthTellerTeller

    The right to free speech is about the govt’s inability to restrain the public from speaking. Last I checked, the govt’s not involved here. The NBA’s a biz and a private enterprise at that – they can run it how they see fit and they can fine their players as they see fit in accordance with their standards, etc. Like it was mentioned earlier, the league is essentially a public arena and, in that scope, image is significant. To that end, it’s reasonable that they can police their players conduct when their players are on the job. Kobe was clearly on the clock when he said what he said. If it hadn’t been the word Kobe used, had it been some lesser less offensive slur, this wouldn’t be as big of a discussion.

    As far as terms go, there’s a big difference between “f*aggot” and “b*tch” and it goes beyond notions of intent. It’s about cultural sensitivity and context. In that sense, as an earlier comment suggests, it’s more like “n*gga.”

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/overdribbling chiqo

    1st amendment freedom of speech applies to not being prosecuted or censored by the government. does not apply to your job fining or firing you for saying things they deem inappropriate. why is this seriously a discussion? he said it, he was fined, he’ll pay the fine. are we really going to argue that saying such things is ok, in front of a tv camera or not? come on.

  • http://juanm.garcia@comcast.net TruthTeller

    “You must not have sexual relations with a man as you would a woman. That is a hateful sin.” Leviticus 18:22

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Alls I gotta say is…
    AllenP is gangsta.
    He said “F this city council meeting! I’ma reply to a comment on SLAM Online.”
    LOL

  • Jackie Moon

    Amazing no one has brought up that Michael Jordan called Kwame Brown a flaming f@ggot repeatedly. There’s Kobe again, just ripping off MJ!

  • ripslam

    Hold up. @Space Jam: So you became a “diehard fan” once they starting winning chips, and then conveniently returned to fan status once they won again in 2009?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    I’m surprised JTailor didn’t say: Michael Jordan would NEVER have uttered a gay slur — no one is on MJ’s level at handling game frustrations while keeping his cool. Then bring up stats to support it!

  • Jackie Moon

    A big “WHOOSH” to all those taking Spacejam seriously.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    100 K is not actually pocket change for Kobe Im sure it causes a little bit of an itch.

  • http://Slamonline.com Bk Chris

    What about when the magic played the lakers on espn and during a halftime interview Dwight Howard was quoted saying”Andrew Bynum is very long…. Pause”

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    This is coming from a person who is and has been renowned for being acutely aware of his surroundings at most, if not all times. Did he not give a damn in the heat of the moment?
    Anyways, I don’t agree with the the comment or fine, but I’m not mad at Kobe, either. That is who he is. This is what he does when he doesn’t get his way.
    Consistent with a person who has paid off someone who’s accused them of a sexual offense. We should not be surprised.
    I mean, he has trouble understanding and tolerating people who practice Tai – Chi. So, imagine him when he’s thinking about gay people.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    This is stupid. On the floor, players call each others female dogs and use the word ni**a, I get more upset when people say Ni**a and call women out there name, but saying f*g, gets this jacked up country in an up roar. I am going to keep it real. Its against God’s intent to be g*y. You are not born with it, its a spirit, because I have seen people get healed from being gay. So the born stuff is crap. Kobe shouldn’t have stated it but the NBA fining him is G*Y, So forget it and if a ref is calling ticky tat fouls, Kobe should call him it again. Its just words, and I am tired of the GLAAD movement, acting like its the new Civil Rights movement. Being g*y is sad, and Stern was just playing to the system and 100,000 to Kobe is more like 100 to us. BOOK IT!!

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    This is stupid. On the floor, players call each others female animals and use the word ni**a, I get more upset when people say ni**a and call women out there name, but saying f*g, gets this jacked up country in an up roar. I am going to keep it real. Its against God’s intent to be g*y. You are not born with it, its a spirit, because I have seen people get healed from being g*y. So the born stuff is crap. Kobe shouldn’t have stated it but the NBA fining him is G*Y, So forget it and if a ref is calling ticky tat fouls, Kobe should call him it again. Its just words, and I am tired of the GLAAD movement, acting like its the new Civil Rights movement. Being too happy is sad, and Stern was just playing to the system and 100,000 to Kobe is more like 100 to us. BOOK THAT!!

  • T-Money

    i’m extremely surprised that this is somewhat controversial. it doesn’t happen often but there’s no grey area here: stern is right. if you’re going to argue against the fine, argue against the act of fining someone for an homophobic slurs. the fact that such a fine has no precedents or that this particular slur is commonly used are very, very weak arguments against the fine. once upon a time, racial slurs were commonly used and everyone got away with it. not anymore, which is a good thing. i’m pretty sure that players will now think twice before using an homophobic slur on the court, which is also good thing – always.

  • T-Money

    truthteller obviously does not have a very good grasp of the notion of freedom of speech.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tmoney you are a lawyer. You know precedent. Stern established a precedent that slurs can get you fined. Now it is about which slurs are bad enough for a fine. Who decides that? Stern alone? How is he making that decison? I don’t like arbitrary fines. I don’t understand which statements get you fined.

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    all imma say is the precedent has been set…

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/overdribbling chiqo

    i think stern would drop the hammer on anyone caught using a slur like this. i don’t think we’re giving preferential treatment to gays and lesbians at all. also, i’m fine with the religious argument of homosexuality being a sin, but can we also remember the parts of the bible where you have to love your neighbor as you love yourself and to esteem others higher than yourself?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    All I know is saying a word, no matter how horrible, is not worth a fine ten times bigger than what you get for trying to rip an opposing player’s nuts off during a game. Reggie Evans: $10,000. Kobe: $100,000.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    I wonder what the fine would have been if Kobe called the ref a honkey.

  • O

    I heard Mister Cee started spinning “We’re Not Gonna Take It” by Twisted Sister after news of the fine dropped…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    B*tch is a slur. As is n*gga.

  • http://YouTube.com/user/Uncle05Sam Earl

    The Seed is definitely 100% right.

  • T-Money

    allen: of course slurs can get you fined. why is that shocking? an of course stern can enforce decisions by a committee of one – he’s the head of private corporation. if you are arguing the legality of this fine, well there is a great amount discretion conferred by stern’s position (mind you that kobe can and has appealed the fine). but besides that, let’s not miss the forest for the trees: stern is sending the message that homophobic behaviors will not be tolerated. that’s great! as a commissioner, he doesn’t necessarily have to refer to a provision before making every call, he gets paid big bucks to make judgment calls. he showed good judgment here.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ok I can see you and Ryan agree.
    I am bothered by the decision to set this slur aside as a finable offense. If the justification was that abusing refs is intolerable I would be cool. But the idea that this particular word over all other slurs is worth $100,000 is bothersome.

  • http://www.google.com Tristan Warneke

    I wonder what the fine would have been if Kobe had called him the Rupaul of Referee’s.

  • T-Money

    allen: i think any racial slur would have resulted in a fine in that spot. and im GUESSING that “billy! f-cking b-tch” would be a fine too. although b-tch is a tricky one because we have decided as a society that this is somewhat of an acceptable term, e.g. not censored on tv shows (which is actually very telling of what’s pc and what’s not).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I am not sure any slur would have been a fine. F*ggot is considered by many to be roughly on par with ethnic and racial slurs.
    I am really just mad about the exception for b*tch and the fact that Stern dropped the hammer so quickly compared to other times (sterling the recent ref issue) when he has delayed.

  • FedUp

    Wow, and why everyone desires to share their opinions on the matter eludes me, when it affects no one on here; and yes, future smart-ass I’m sharing MY opinion because I could longer restrain myself as I read all these retarted comments (oh no, a slur!). Guys, girls, or whatever, just lean back, unwind in whatever sitting or lieing apparatus you utilize now, and get your prying noses out of it.

  • http://slamonline.com bull24

    was he talking to a ref or rudy gay?

  • Just Being Real

    “Its against God’s intent to be g*y. You are not born with it, its a spirit, because I have seen people get healed from being g*y.”

    Funny, at one time or another, an oft-cited justification for slavery in this country was also God’s will. Whether you’re a man of faith or not, this is a secular nation. It’s time to retire that argument, bro.

  • Tim Dogg

    FedUp: If you think ignorance affects no one on here, that just proves your ignorance.
    Truth Teller: You are right. You don’t have sex with a man as you would a woman. I don’t see this as any sort of groundbreaking statement. You also don’t have sex with a sheep as you would your sister.

  • Tim Dogg

    And I don’t know where the rest of you are from, but pretty much any major company in any major city on the west coast would fire you for using that word in the workplace. Or at least suspend you and make you take sensitivity training.

  • Seriously

    This topic is so gay

  • mickfanning

    no reason for gay people to get upset its quite obvious that he didnt use the term like that. i am very surprised at how much david stern is crackin down on kobe, seeing as how stern fixes all the important laker games and playoff series since the portland ”melt down”. Hopefully the laker games are called fairly this playoffs (highly doubt it) its really unfortunate we have ”riggings” messing up such a wonderful game over the years.

  • mickfanning

    amen @Just Being Real

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ROFL @ Tim Dogg, and co-sign 100%.
    Also co-sign Just Being Real.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    The Seed, with some more blind hatred for gay people.
    Tell me, Seed: What exactly makes you think YOU know what “God’s Intent” is? And let’s step back for a second–just like Just Being Real said. This is a secular nation and everyone has basic rights, and it’s not about what YOU believe. I know it might seem like a new concept to you, but not everybody in the United States is religious, Christian, and/or homophobic. Crazy idea, right?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Seed: But going by your Bible argument, you believe that it’s “God’s Intent” for people not to be gay, right? Gay people are inherently evil and therefore don’t deserve civil rights like other minorities–because the Bible tells you that, right?
    And yet you’re offended by people using the word “b!tch”? But wait, the Bible ALSO tells us, depending on what verse you’re reading, that women are inferior to men. So is it God’s Intent that women should be inferior to men–that they should be treated as objects, demeaned, and denied your respect? OF COURSE NOT.
    The Bible also tells us that women are the root of sin, so going by your crazy literal interpretation of the Bible, isn’t a gay MAN less of a sinner than a WOMAN, because the WOMAN is the original sinner?
    Now, you’re completely right in being offended by the liberal use of the word “b!tch.” It’s just as demeaning a word for women as f*g is to homosexuals, even if a lot of people don’t see it that way (which they should, of course).
    But please, spare us your misguided biblical rationale for being a bigot on one hand, and a self-righteous hypocrite on the other.
    I don’t know what you’re getting at comparing this to the Civil Rights movement, but believe it or not gays deserve the same civil rights as you and me, black or white, regardless if you think it’s YOUR “God’s Intent” that gays shouldn’t exist.

  • http://www.zpringbank.eu Jelte

    robb is just like Kobe – stupid

  • horsey

    I think if you don’t understand that “give me a break” isn’t the same as “give me a brake” (robb 6:38) you might be too stupid to comment on big boy issues. Finish 8th grade and come back with some actual knowledge.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    sorry Slamers…I was too explicit. Where does this money go to? It’s not like it goes to the United Gay Association, so why bother. $100 G’s is shoe laces to Kobe and, WE ALL KNOW they say worse words.

  • jimmer

    @Seed; The Bible also says that it is ok to own a slave, as long as he is not of your country. This is bad news for Canadians and Mexicans…. and Africans. It also says that those who touch the skin of a dead pig are unclean… better check what goes into your Spalding next time you play son… Also, as sanctioned in Exodus 2:17, I would like to sell my daughter into slavery… in this day and age, what do think would be a fair price for her? I got time for faith, but not bigotry.

  • Indigo

    @Seed: People that uses quotations from the bible to build an argument seriously need to check out their calendar. It´s been 2000 years, dude, things has changed since then. As Jimmer et al already showed, there are more examples of bigotry and discrimination in that book than gay-hating.

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    Jimmer’s response was awesome.

  • Brickshooting J

    I’m dissapointed that Kobe didn’t use that slur towards Andrew Bynum.

  • mark

    The bible was written to control people. I’m pretty sure man wrote the bible and not God. So many idiots in this world. You’re all sheep.

  • John

    How come Kenyon Martin didn’t get fined for calling Cuban one? And Cuban is a team owner, you’d think that would warrant a fine and KG has been caught on camera saying the same thing.

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Bravo Teddy, that was a good argument. And Seed, just be quiet, you obviously can’t make an intelligent argument.

  • T-Money

    man, some disturbing comments in here.

  • vtrobot

    The fine is that big because it’s Kobe. Like most of the L’s policing, the inconsistency is part of what’s annoying. The people posting anti-gay statements and using religion as their argument are really sad. I’m not religious, but there’s a good chance that I live my life in a more “Christian” way than you. Your religion doesn’t promote openness and humility? The people who refuse to allow others to think and act however they want, and never doubt or question or rethink their own beliefs are the worst kind. That’s some Taliban-style sh1t. I guess you must just be young and not have a solid understanding of life yet or have been raised by confused people, who were raised by confused people, etc. Please mature soon. Playoffs are here! Lakeshow did themselves a huge favor with last night’s L. Peace.

  • Dave

    Tim Hardaway has to be at home thinking: “They fined him for this shit?!”

  • Andrea

    mickfanning, it’s funny there are people like you (who make all Lakers fans look bad) who believe the league hates your boy Kobe and fixes games against the Lakers AND at the same time you have people who claim the EXACT opposite. Which is which? Don’t you notice some inconsistency in this argument among fans such as yourself, tough it’s hard to call someone like you a “fan” because those are claims made by undeducated fans, not TRUE fans. Also, do you know the NBA is a business, right? If they didn’t fine Kobe they would’ve been subject to lots of criticism. I mean, after Kobe’s comment there was a big outcry from the media, bloggers, tv networks, gay groups associations etc., all of them asking the league to punish Kobe in some sort of way. So it’s obvious the league had to do something about it. I don’t really see what this “Stern hates Kobe” thing (proof?) has to do with anything. You just make yourself look bad and uninformed about the NBA business.
    Besides, are you ok with your Kobe’s comments?
    PS: Why does SLAM keep posting ridiculous comments such as mickfanning’s and doesn’t publish other people’s comments? I still have to figure out how the comments section works.

  • JD

    @the seed
    have you ever considered that the bible may not be gods word all through but sometimes the interpretation of his word to suit the people who compiled these bibles opinions of this time its why many of Christianity more controversial attitudes seem to be similar to general opinion in the bible was put together

  • rikson

    beings should be able to fu(k if bot h parties want to… end of discussion!

  • cramzy

    kg should be broke at this point. He says f*** these f****** before every game lol and im not even joking.

  • jrok

    SMH @ the seed… couldnt be more of a bigot if you tried buddy.. that type of rationale that you showed in your post is actually much worse than what kobe actually did… stupidest thing ive ever heard somebody say, “it is not gods intent for people to be gay”… if thats what you really believe then you’re past the point of being helped SMFH…

  • Andrea

    yes, but has KG ever been caught saying gay slurs by tv cameras, cramzy? thats the difference.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    @ jimmer; If your going to state all of those things, please be correct with it. With your knowledge of biblical history, I’m perplexed that your without enough knowledge to know that the standards that God would have us live by changed after Christ (biblicaly speaking), making all of what you said sound incredibly dumb to those that bothered to read the rest (unless your being sarcastic of course). Read the rest of the book please.

  • http://slamonline.com Spaceship Jay

    And Yikes… co-sign T-Money too.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Bigotry, ignorance and demeaning comments are just plain stupid and sad. Less enlightened people needs these things to feel better about themselves, contain their own insecurity in life and their fear of things/people that are different. When people don’t understand something the easiest thing to do is to create distance between themselves and said thing, this can be done using slurs like this or singing God’s name or whatever. I personally think that all kinds of religion are completely ilogical, but people can believe in what they want and I completely respect that, whether it is God, Allah or Papa Smurf – it is up to the single individual to live his life the way he/she wants and it is not up to me to judge or decide what is wrong or right for other human beings. Live and let live people – respect other people’s right to be different and live their life the way they want to.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LZ
    You know I respect your thoughts, but you’re not making sense.
    If it’s ok for people be different and live how they want, then is it also ok for some peole to live like Seed and Cantrell? I mean, they are doing what makes them happy, and they have decided for themselves what is right and wrong, correct?
    The truth is, everybody has standards of right and wrong, and we all use those standards to make value judgements about other people’s behavior. Period.
    The issue is when we justify violence, hatred or mistreatment because of our values. It’s not always wrong–if it was we would never have revolutions–but it is always dangerous.
    To certain other folks.
    Many of y’all commenting on the Bible have clearly never spent much time in the study of the book, or the assorted commentaries that provide context about the times in which it was written and the moral attitudes of that day. That’s fine, but to then turn around and randomly quote passages and tenets out of context is just intellectually dishonest.
    If you disagree with the Bible, cool. But, I would hope that before you form an opinion on what most learned people consider the greatest book ever written by mankind, you would at least spend some reading and studying it yourself. Just seems like a smart thing to do.

  • John
  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Allenp, ditto you know that I am in line with your thinking more often than not. So let me try to make my thoughts clearer: Of course everybody has standards of what is right and wrong. And surely everybody – Kobe, you, me – judges other people all the time consciensly or un-conscienly, some people a lot some to a lesser extent. But no matter how much I disagree with people like Seed and Cantrell, I still feel like they have the right to live their life the way they choose, and still have the right to believe in whatever they feel like. I pity them and others like them and I try to educate them to the best of my abilities whenever I come across people like that, but ultimately it is not for me to decide what they should feel and think. I can only try to influence and hope that it helps. They and they alone can make these judgements, and no matter how wrong they may be in my eyes; who is to say that I am not wrong?. Of course there are limits to the behaviour You, me and society can tolerate hence societies, organizations like the NBA, and other entities makes up laws, rules and people amongst themselves makes up unwritten rules (this comment section being an excellent example, Greek Guy’s behaviour wasn’t accepted so people started to ‘sanction’ him by ignoring him) to what kind of behaviour is accepted. Sometimes you agree with these rules, laws etc. sometimes you don’t, then you either try to change them (if you are the battling, revolutionary type) in Kobe’s case appeal the decision or you just silently abide to the rules and move along. Do I think Kobe was wrong; yes obiviously, do I think his punishment was just or warranted hmm I don’t know – personally I felt the ref should have tossed him from the game if he actually heard the slur. That would set a much better example; saying ‘look this won’t be tolerated here, you are out’. Do I think Seed and Cantrell are misguided, surely, I pity them and their narrow minds. If I could I would change their stance, but nobody but themselves can do that so really the only thing I can do is try to educate them. I believe education and communication is the way forward on the path to get rid of bigotry etc in the world as we know it. So education and communication, not God, not Allah, not David Stern’s fines, not laws and rules is what I believe in will change the world for the better. If Seed and Cantrell are happy living the way they do and spreading the ignorant messages they are spreading, well good for them. You, me and society will judge them, people can spread the messages they want – the problem only appears when people openly try to hurt or belittle other people, then there must be sanctions in some way – whether it is a fine, prison, being banned from SLAM, losing the respect of Allenp/myself or whatever. Sanctions of some kind will always be undertaken on some kind of level, in Kobe’s case both monetary and in the sense that people gets outraged and doesn’t accept it until he comes out and apologizes. Has Kobe or Tim Hardaways stance on gay people really changed, well we can only guess… But one thing is for sure they will think twice before they utter a slur like that again and that guess is also some kind of education. Does I make more sense now? I hope so if not bear with me, I am crazy hung-over from last night’s whiskey tasting-extravaganza hahhahaa… Just treading waters here at work…

  • HAMMER

    Not that im surprised that he got fined. U knew the L was gonna hand it 2 him. But damn. 100 k!? People r oversensitive w/this sh!t. I have no prob w/the gay community. Nor would I insult them. This is a free country and how any1 lives is their bizz and no elses. How do we know if Mr. Commish hasn’t n his past uttered something along the lines of what KB8 said? Trying 2 act like his sh!t don’t stink. Even tho I think David Stern is the best commish out there and I know he has a job 2 do, 2 me its just infuriating when people get oversensitive w/this sh!t

  • kulas

    Cosign allenp

    to some of the commenters here critiquing the bible and what it contains, try to read the book first from start to finish, some of you might change your tune.

  • http://dillanleuyahoo.com Holy Baller

    The truth is that your beliefs, your root of right and wrong, determine everything. You can’t say, “Everyone has their own beliefs and opinions and should be able to express them,” and then get angry at Kobe because of what he said. It’s his words, it’s his morals, he said it. And he got fined. Personally, I’m a Christian and I support the Bible 100%. I see a lot of flaws in the arguments here, both bashing and supporting homosexuals in regards to the Bible. Say what you want, do what you want, but realize that every action and statement made comes from your own personal beliefs and the standards that you hold.

  • http://www.ha.com dan

    Kobe brought back the word f@%(@ haahah i love it we were callin everyone gay slurs at the bar last night!!! even the gays were in on it they thought it was hilarious

  • Just Being Real

    I don’t think anyone is criticizing the Bible, guys. The point is more along the lines of the reality that the Bible has been at times used to justify alot of things. If the commentary is critical of anything, it’s invoking the Lord’s name in vain to suit your purpose or your belief … when really the tenents of most organized religion is to be inclusive rather than exclusive.

  • HAMMER

    Teddy the Bears argument is by far the best comment posted here @ SLAM that I have ever seen. Much props Teddy

  • bike

    Which is the worse offense: Calling a gay person a f%^%^ or calling a straight person a f%^%^? The only person that should be offended here is the referee. Gay people, get over it. You can’t always have everything in this world on your own terms.

  • MikeC.

    I posted this over on the other “Kobe said a bad word” thread, but it looks like this party is the one that’s poppin’.
    Kobe has a contract with morality clauses in it. His language can be construed as being immoral, which justifies Stern’s strong reaction. When NBA players are fined, the money goes to charitable organizations. I’m going out on a limb here and guessing that Kobe’s docked $100K will be donated to a gay & lesbian support group.
    @ those using the bible to justify anything: the bible (I’m purposely using lower-case) is nothing more than a book. The bible is a collection of words on paper. Those words were written by people. People with biases and agendas. The bible could be viewed as the greatest work of fiction ever written by a collaborative group for consumption by the masses. Here’s your literary opium, enjoy the Word.

  • MikeC.

    To weigh in on whether or not b*tch should be regarded as an offensive slur towards women, I’m a little torn on it. Most women I asked said they didn’t have any issue with the word. The typical response was along the lines of “Why would it bother me? I’m not a b*tch.” Mrs. MikeC. said she’d be more offended if I called her an a-hole. BTW, my wife loves Ice Cube’s song “A B*tch is a B*tch”.

  • http://http//portlandfan1203.blogspot.com Karley

    Kobe is so dumb he is always wining to the refs about stuff. He should quit his day job.

  • Kourtney

    Kobe sucks. He deserves everything he gets. Hope the lakers lose

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    The Bible is ALL about interpretation…
    Also, many people have read the Bible. And claim to understand it through their interpretation.
    As is such, it would behoove those who consider themselves to possess knowledge of the Bible and the ways of God to educate others, spread the teachings of God to the masses, instead of chastising AND ridiculing, criticizing and judging one/those who may not be seen to have knowledge of God/Jesus Christ/the Bible. For, God spake it.
    One can argue that people who are speaking of the Bible in a perceived incoherent manner are actually… yearning for God’s grace. Waiting expectantly for His message. It may be the gentile’s way AND method in calling on God for salvation.

  • blakos

    Co-sign Teddy and Mike C. The SEED should not be allowed to spread his SEED. At all……smh

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ MikeC: That’s the problem. Just because certain women don’t take offense to the word doesn’t mean it isn’t an offensive slur. For women who use the excuse “I’m not a b!tch, so that word is perfectly okay” or for men who say “I respect women, but not b!tches,” just remember that a white man can just as easily say “I love black people, but I h@te n***ers.” The problem with “b!tch” is that it’s a demeaning, derogatory word that refers SPECIFICALLY to women. Not men, but women, and for a long @ss time women were–and, in many instances, still are–an oppressed group.
    Now, the you might not mean it like that when you call another man a b!tch, say, if he’s being a jerk to you, or if he’s being a coward, but that still doesn’t change the actual target of that slur.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, we get into dangerous territory when it comes to ranking the people of a certain group, and then placing labels on those people we don’t like: “Well these are the GOOD kinds of women, and these are the BAD kinds of women…” because then we’re almost saying some people are somehow better than their group as a whole, while still being prejudiced to that group.
    Like people who look at certain individuals and think of them as being BETTER than their race: A black man who is above his color, or a Muslim who is above his religion; it’s below-the-surface bigotry, but it’s still bigotry. You know what I mean?

  • MikeC.

    @Teddy – I get what you mean. I respectfully disagree (with your 10:27 post). I’m only talking about the word b*tch. In our current culture, the word b*tch appears to have evolved past a derogatory slang for women. Whether you did this intentionally or not, comparing b*tch to the n-bomb makes it much easier for you to strengthen your argument by inferring that if I’m personally okay with the word b*tch, that I must also be okay with dropping the n-bomb. This got me a little riled up, so I called my mom, who is one of the most conservative people I know, and asked her what she thinks of the word b*tch. She asked me if I’d been acting like one, and if I had been, I needed to stop. I laughed so hard my ribs hurt for a bit. She then asked how in the world I got into a debate about this on a basketball website, which made me laugh some more.

  • http://slamonline.com Saviour

    @karley – ‘Kobe is so dumb he is always wining to the refs about stuff. He should quit his day job’ – you know the games are played in the evening, right dumbas*?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I feel you LZ.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Teddy
    Good point on the word b*tch.
    Just because people give clearance, or a word has “evolved” for some folks, doesn’t mean it’s ok.
    There are plenty of women, one of my best friends for example, who despise that word, and hate when it’s used to describe anyone.
    Even when it’s used to describe a man who other men believe is acting in an unmanly manner.
    There are plenty of gay men who use the word f*g and don’t see it as a big deal. That doesn’t mean they are right.
    Why was Kobe calling a presumbably straight man a f*ggot simply because he gave him a technical?
    Once you answer that question, you should be able to see what the big deal is.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ^ Co-sign 100%, Allen.

  • MikeC.

    Agree to disagree I guess. I just think we’ve reached a point where we should be free to say what we want, provided we’re prepared to deal with the consequences. Kobe will likely end up paying the fine. Misdeed – consequence. Done. If I want to say crazy things, I’m going to, but I know I can get effed up for saying it. The ridiculous thing is that the Lakers organization is now being called on to help take the use of degrading slurs out of sports. This is a professional basketball franchise, not a human rights organization. If Kobe decides to polish his image by doing some charity work or donating some more loot to a gay/lesbian support group, then kudos to him. The Lakers shouldn’t be called on or pressured to do anything but try to win the last game of the season. Any good act or service someone is pressured into doing is contrived and doesn’t mean much.

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