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Monday, April 25th, 2011 at 8:30 am  |  302 responses

Post Up: On To The Next

Celts complete sweep; CP3 helps the Hornets pull even with the Lakers.

Philadelphia 86, Miami 82

Following Thursday’s Game 3 loss to the Heat, Doug Collins said, “Miami is flying home Sunday after the game, and we want to fly with them.” The Sixers’ head coach got his wish, only after a Lou Williams go-ahead 3-pointer with eight seconds left in regulation. Williams’ three was a part of a 10-0 Sixers’ run to close out the game.

Heat fans surely had a sweep in mind as Miami held a 6-point lead with 95 seconds remaining in the fourth quarter. But a runner from Evan Turner followed by a clutch three-ball from Jrue Holiday cut the Heat lead down to 1. Williams then sank the deep three over Dwyane Wade to put Philly in front for good. The Heat had a chance to tie or go ahead, but an Elton Brand block on a LeBron James layup ended all hopes of a Miami win.

Once again, the Sixers jumped out to an early double-digit lead. But the slow-starting Heat kicked up the intensity in the second period. Miami’s disruptive defense caused multiple turnovers, which lead to easy fast break buckets. Miami scored 31 points in the second quarter, but only 35 total points in the second half.

Andre Iguodala put forth his highest scoring output of the series with 16 points. He also added 5 rebounds and 4 assists. Evan Turner and Louis Williams chipped in 17 points apiece. The Heat’s “Big Three” combined for 65 points in this contest. All other Heat players combined for just 17. The fifth game in this series is Wednesday night in Miami. —Cris Jones

Boston 101, New York 89

The Garden was rocking and the organ was blaring as the capacity crowd urged its Knicks back into the game. The Mecca was finally alive and New York had made it a fight by cutting a 23-point second half deficit down to just four with seven minutes left. Ultimately that’s as close as it would get, as the Celtics out-executed the Knicks down the stretch and held on for the 101-89 series clinching win.

Down the stretch, two pick-and-pop jumpers from KG pretty much sealed it for Boston. Garnett—who has been content to let others carry the scoring load—stepped up for a team high 26 points, 20 of which came in the second half. Rajon Rondo picked up right where he left off in game three, forcing the tempo, getting into paint at will and finding his teammates for clean looks. R-Double managed the game well for the C’s en route to 21 points, 12 assists and a complete ethering of Toney Douglas.

Abysmal point guard play was a big reason New York found themselves out of this one early. The team shot just 23 percent in the first half and played as if they were ready to call it a season. Out of nowhere, Anthony Carter led the charge for New York, stepping up to play tough defense and knock Boston out of its comfort zone. Carter led a 34-point third quarter surge and sparked a Knicks defense that had the Celtics settling for quick shots and little ball movement. Somewhere Mario Chalmers and DWade are taking notes.

In the end, after all of the questions surrounding Boston at the end of the regular season, the Celts are now the first team in the second round. Their Fantastic Four is playing with aplomb on both sides of the ball and their bench looks to be coming around as well. No doubt that Boston’s silencing of New York was heard loud and clear in South Beach.  —Jonathan Evans (@jre18)

Atlanta 88, Orlando 85

In a game that went down to the wire, the Magic once again showed a glaring vulnerability in their offense when jump shots aren’t falling. In the first three games of the series, Orlando shot 40 percent from the field and 26 percent from three. The story was no different in Game 4, as the Magic connected on only 2 of 23 three-point attempts, while the Hawks made 6 of 15.

Jamal Crawford has been torching the Magic and scored 25 points on 10 of 18 field goals in Game 4. After the game, Van Gundy was adamant about coming up with a better defensive scheme on Crawford, but also admitted that usually not a lot can be done to contest a player who is able to create off the dribble from up to 30 feet away from the basket.

Van Gundy mentions that almost every player on the Magic roster is there because of his ability to shoot. Even when those shots aren’t falling, he says the Magic still must play to their strengths. “At this point in the season, you hit the Playoffs, it’s playing your game at a high level,” he said. “It’s not finding a new game—I don’t care who it is, what team in the league—you got to play your game at a high level. These guys need to make some shots.”

While the Magic hope to regain some shooting touch in time for Game 5, the Hawks are confident traveling to Orlando up 3-1 to face a team that they have now defeated in six of their last eight matchups. —Tracy Weissenberg

New Orleans 93, L.A. Lakers 88

This is why they play the games. This is what it means to be a superstar.

With less than a :30 to go, protecting a two-point lead, a superstar brings the ball down against the defense of the two-time defending champ. He heads fiercely into traffic, elevates, then passes off to a teammate, who hits an off-balanced jumper to seal the game. That the teammate is an old homeboy from North Carolina only makes it sweeter, but the main thing is: a superstar never gets shook.

Chris Paul dropped a triple-double on the Lakers tonight, battling for rebounds against all those L.A. bigs and carrying the team down the stretch. Defensively, the Hornets got stops in the fourth quarter that you’re not supposed to get against a team with more talent at every position but that one. Trevor Ariza showed up again, battling the Mamba on D and picking up 19 points. The Hornet bench matched the Lakers bench, 18-18.

You have to wonder about the Lakers. No, I’m not saying they’re losing two of the next three at home, but who exactly provides the heart on this team? Pau fumbles slick Mamba passes in crunch time, and, by the way, only gets 11 shots per game. Derek Fisher played a little better, but still no huge shots. LO goes 1-7, perhaps tweets us why. What it came time for big game heroics, Kobe bricked that 3 after coming up lame in fouling Willie Green. This isn’t last year, when an upstart OKC, full of promise and length and the League’s leading scorer, took them to 7. This is CP3 and some scrappers, making a dogfight out of it. So far, the Lakers appear inconsistently focused, not fully committed to the dirty work of outworking their opponent. They better snap out of it, cause they seem a little old to be winning 6-7 game series for each round of the Playoffs.

One more thing: Imagine if New York had won even one game off of Boston. Now imagine if they won two and evened up. There’d be hysterics about the great superstar duo, how the Celtics were old and not the team that won the title three years ago, the conference last year. Then recognize: Directing a team without another big name, but with a coach and a collective team heartbeat very much in key with his own, after a tumultuous season and all that free-agent BS talk, Chris Paul just evened it up against the 2x champs. Whatever happens, remember this when you start kicking around the term “superstar.” —Toney Blare

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  • Fat Lever

    Proud of the young Sixers(Lou/Jrue/ET) stepping up and showing heart. Also proud of Thaddeus, even if he was stepping to just James Jones. Too many times it seems like this Sixer team wants to be buddy buddy with the opponent. This is the playoffs, no time to play nice. They showed heart, can’t ask for anything more. I don’t know what to expect on Wednesday, but I know one thing, Doug will have them ready to go, giving everything they have.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    LMAO!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    At this point in the 1st Round…..a Finals of Celts/Thunder doesn’t seem all that far fetched.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall

    Why doesn’t Bron go to his pull-up at the end of games? He has multiple moves to set it up. Kobe better learn not to make CP mad. Nice write-up of the LAL/NOH game, but CP is a better player than Durant. I don’t really know what point you were trying to make there.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Spo coached his first bad game of the series and fell back on tired play calling for their final possession. The Sixers should have never been in the position to be swept….Doug has them playing well, even with a limit on talent. They will play well in the first half of game 5 and the Heat will finally break free to close it out in the 4th. Good test for the Heat….nice start of a good future for the Sixers.

  • Fat Lever

    Eboy, I bet there was a lot of cursing out Hawes in your household after the foul on Bron. Welcome to the club, it’s fun, isn’t it?

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I don’t even know who to blame.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Angel of Stern

    co-sign AllBall completely. He was hitting that shot consistently in the game too. Its like he tries to hard to get to the rim but a pull up would be a lot better choice in that situation.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Angel of Stern

    Also, im glad im not one of those people that keep hating on Chris Paul. Dude is a top 5 player for sure in my opinion.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Nah, Fat, Bron’s a big boy….he can take it. It’s good to see goonish behavior in playoff games. Makes the games even more interesting.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Chris Paul is a beast. Watching the NOH-LAL series, there is no doubt that he is the best player in that series. In control of the game, dominating both ends of the floor. Very very impressive indeed. After a couple of good games, Kobe looked tired yesterday and had another choke job.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Can I ask ONE thing? Since we all agree that Lebron is not clutch at all….can we all agree that Kobe is a terrible one on one defender? Jesus, CP3 made him look HORRID every time he was isolated. I understand Pau and Bynum getting shook, but Kobe was just broke to no end. CP3 is basically re-writing how the game should be played from the PG spot in the game RIGHT NOW.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Eboy Kobe has been at best an average defender for the last 3 or so seasons, if the refs didn’t let him get away with a lot of tugging and excessive use of his arms he would be below average. But truth be told CP3 on this form would be abusing everyone expect prime Pippen, Glove, MJ and Alvin Robertson…

  • Fat Lever

    This is after CP3 re-wrote the book on PG play after the 2008 season. Dude is like the guys on Nip/Tuck, slicing up Hollywood’s best, one at a time.

  • http://www.slamonline.com AllBall

    CP3 is clearly the best player in this series. Kobe also got killed by Ariza in the 1st half, but when “CP woke him up” and he started trying on D, Paul still treated him like a pylon.

  • dsleepy

    good lord chris paul, chris paul, chris paul…lakers don’t deserve to sniff the title this year, they clearly do not want it enough. when ron artest is bailing you out offensively while your team has kobe bryant, paul gasol, andrew bynum, and lamar odom…you know something has gone wrong. how does pau only take 11 shots. somebody tell the supposed “superstar” to grow a pair and demand the rock.

  • Mvp23100

    @Allball
    It seems like brons listening to skip saying put your head down and go to the rim when he needs to make the right play either pull up or hit a shooter

  • dsleepy

    *pau gasol.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    Is today too early for D’Antoni to be fired or do I have to wait a few more days? Now the Knicks have a head start on focusing on building a real team and getting a real coach. Not even mad about the sweep with all the injuries and D’Antoni’s incompetence…Chris Paul is hands down the best player this postseason. No disresspect to DRose, but his team isn’t tied with the defending champs with a subpar supporting cast…Dope win by the Sixers. Loved the never say die attitude.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    Chris Paul is that dude……I also find it interesting that people find it surprising that a superstar player in the prime of his basketball life is better than a player clearly on the backside of his….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Royal went there.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Cawford

    Kobe with the “choke job”? Some foreigners on this site are, well, oh nevermind.

  • Fat Lever

    I hope Jrue is paying attention to CP3. This is what I was talking about when I said Jrue isn’t good enough yet to take advantage of the talent disparity between him and Bibby/Chalmers. Not saying he’s CP3 capable, but great PG play can mask a lot of other deficiencies on a team.

  • ernied

    Lots people of hating on the Celtics going into the playoffs. Not having Shaq or Perk in the paint didn’t matter all that much in this round. A healthy KG, Big Baby and JO was enough to sweep the Knicks, including two blowouts at MSG. Still people were hating on them for not beating them by enough. People gave the C’s grief about being old, but Ray Ray is in ageless form right now (has he ever played better?) and as long as Rondo stays healthy, he is going to find some of the most reliable post up shooters in Pierce and KG. Meanwhile CP3 and the Hornets have put a human and vulnerable face on the Lakers.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Celtics are still beastlike. It will remain to be seen if Perk missing will catch up to them in a step up in competition (Miami and if they get past them, Chicago or Atlanta?) Did I really just put the Hawks in there? Also, it’s now fair to say that the worst team that made the 2011 Playoffs in the East was named the Knicks.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Congratulations to the defending eastern conference champs. I’ll be pulling for the Celtics the rest of these Playoffs! On another note, not even a homer Hawks fans could have expected a 3-1 series lead at this point – I’m shocked by the state of that series, even more so than I am by the Hornets having their series with the Lakers all even at 2 games apiece.

  • Clydesays

    Nice close out by the C’s. I dunno if I’d take LBJ shooting contested 3′s over him going to the rim and drawing contact. Seems like only one of those approaches will put up points. You get the feeling CP3 is auditioning for a new team? He has taken it to another level in that series. If he bolts for NY, that’s going to be tough to beat.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Did someone really just say the Knicks were the worst team to make the 2011 playoffs? That’s like saying LeBron’s had a tough first round matchup his entire career in the Eastern Conference. SMH

  • wilbon

    I wish the super team was cp3, lebron, and dwight… that would be so dope!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    Why do the Lakers always play down to their competition? Clearly they have the better talent of players. I just don’t understand it. I know they are going to win the series but for some sick reason I think they like making it harder on themselves. On another note Chris Paul is reminding people how great he is. After last night triple double Chris probably said “how dare you leave me out of your top 5 point guard list….how dare you?” If going to be a tough out for the Lakers. It’s going to be a dog fight from here on out.

  • Angel of Stern

    @Clydesays, yeah i understand but its not like he has been getting calls when he drives to the rim, he just ends up taking horrible off balance shots that get blocked what seems to be at least like 50% of the time. And he doesn’t need to take contested 3′s. The midrange was working for him all game, so i think he should have took that. Like the game winner he hit in GoldenState a while ago.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Only one team got swept of the playoffs….the sorry-a*s Knicks. Move along.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    im wondering something.
    the hawks aren’t keeping their gameplan a secret, they’re going to let dwight go one on one and defend the perimeter.
    so WHY the hell are they going to keep jacking up 3′s when they were 2-23 from there??
    FEED THE BIG MAN, jeez.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    It’s pretty fair to say that the biggest underachievers so far have been the Heat. They should have swept the Sixers. Hell, they should have swept the Pacers considering that there is no good reason they are not the no.1 overall seed. The Knicks had to deal with injuries to two of their three most important players, after having only half a season to learn to play together. You’re just a hater. Did you get a degree in Hate or were you just born a hater? lmao

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Hawks are intriguing. Seriously. Their core has been together for several seasons, they have a defensive minded point guard…..a killer shooter/scorer off the bench and a group of big bodied centers that take hard fouls. If they close out Orlando, and it seems like they are playing their best ball of the season right now, they will be a HUGE handful for the Bulls. You can bet your ass D-Rose is going to be hammered to the ground a ton by ZaZa and Jason Collins. That’s a better matchup than it seemed possible two weeks ago.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    zoom, I’ve told you this before, your knowledge of the game is laughable. People here humor you only when other basketball minded people haven’t made their way to the comment section. You’re a dolt and an underachieving commenter. That’s pretty rugged. Get to class now.

  • JTaylor21

    It’s a shame someone that has more first-team all-nba defense selections than guys like GP and Pippen can get consistently abused on the defensive end yet he seems to get the benefit of the doubt year after year.
    Also, when was the last time Kobe really closed out a game? Really, for the so-called “closer” dude hasn’t closed sh*t in a long time and his close game resume has 3x more misses than makes.
    Only in the basketball world is a man that fails more times than he succeeds considered the best at something.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    I’m not mad that the Heat didn’t sweep even though I did expect them to like everyone else. I won’t call them underachievers either. The other team does want to win, you know.
    Maybe Miami relaxed a bit thinking Philly would lay down after they came storming back on them in the 2nd Q. Maybe it was like Eboy said in that Spo coached a terrible game. Either way, going in on Miami is stupid. Give Philly some credit.

  • J-MAC

    Airs–EXACTLY! Its like the Magic forget that they have D12. Turk needs to give it up. His shot selection is horrible. Lakers are in real dog fight. I think they’ll pull it out but it reminds me of the DRose Bulls team that took Boston to game 7. NOLA is playing like they have nothing to loose. Why didnt D’Antoni play Anthony Carter at the point? Tony Douglas is obviously a 2.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Oh, and that was me @ 10:56, not airs.

  • JTaylor21

    It’s a shame a guy that has more first-team all-nba defense selections than guys like GP and Pippen gets consistently abused on the defensive end yet he seems to get the benefit of the doubt and labeled a great defender year after year.
    Also, when was the last time Kobe really closed out a game? Really, for the so-called “closer” dude hasn’t closed sh*t in a long time and his close game resume has 3x more misses than makes.
    Only in the basketball world is a man that fails more times than he succeeds considered the best at something.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I think CP3 would abuse pretty much anyone not named Gary Payton when healthy, so I’m not too upset with Kobe. Also the Knicks game the Celtics all they could handle in the first two games, I guess it doesn’t mean anything that the only point guard on the roster missed 3 of 4 games. They just suck, great basketball analysis guys.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    That is the spirit BC, Monday is great for being an arrogant bigot. Me being a foreigner has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion. Tool. Kobe was outplayed by Ariza (Trevor Ariza) and held to zero points in the first half. Had a good 3rd quarter and then choked in the 4th quarter, falling over to commit a crucial foul, bricking the go ahead 3 etc… Kobe was 5-18 from the field in a very important game, if that is not choking please tell me what is?

  • JTaylor21

    Damn, Slam can y’all fix the comment section?
    I guess not since y’all are busy coming up with another sh*tty Top-500 list.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Thanks for agreeing with the suck sentiment, Shia. At least you didn’t get a Knicks tattoo though….that would have hurt a lot more until next season’s playoff started.

  • Fat Lever

    Anytime Bill Walker is an important rotation player for you in the playoffs, you know depth is an issue. But hey, they got Melo, right?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    When your peers vote you (by an extremely large margin) the player they would most likely give the ball to in order to close a game out, I think the conversation is over. Unless of course you feel that you know more than an NBA player.
    Advanced stats have corrupted common sense.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    @ BC I disagree. Philly gets credit for effort, but when Louis Williams and Jrue Holiday are carrying a team that beats a supposedly defensively sound Heat, that IS underachieving..and I’m not sure why Slam is blocking my comments but as I said before, Eboy popularity on a website is important only to geeks and weirdos. Congrats, you just admitted what you are.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Nah man I’m proud of making it where we did and I’m happy with the effort they gave in the first two games. I’d gladly sports a Knick logo if it went well with my other work haha.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    If the Celtics big four stays healthy, I can’t see anyone getting by them in the East. Too many weapons. I can’t wait to witness the Celtics putting the Heat down in the 2nd round.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    zoom, another reason you’re viewed as a nitwit? You can’t gauge sarcasm. Let’s all note that IAMORANGE4EVER will now be a Celtic fan, and if the Celts win the title this season, will change his screename to IAMGREEN4EVER. This is a certainty.

  • JTaylor21

    Sure, when those same players don’t place a single vote for Melo aka the real closer and claim that KD/DRose are better closers, how am I supposed to take that poll seriously?
    Of course you wholeheartedly agree with the poll since your two main squeezes are in it. You know sometimes love is blind.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I’m an arrogant bigot on every day that ends in a “Y,” Copenhagen. *winks*

  • wssss

    lakers look lazy and tired all series long, the way they’ve been playin is horrible for 2x defending champs. somebody please slap every player that dresses up to play in purple and gold for now on? The Hawks will beat the Hawks (to no surprise) the pacers are giving the bulls a headache, same thing with the San An and memphis series wth is wrong this year? how many teams were swept last season? o.O

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    Broomsticks for N.Y, and Miami is getting that money for sell-out home crowd dum dums. Philly aint that nice. CP3 is making you haters look real dum too. Who’s better than him again… I forgot who you chose. Oh, thats right, you did too. Im out like Orlando in 5. And D12 is still my MVP.

  • T-Money

    Bron gotta make a decision. Either you go to your sweet spot à la Paul Pierce and Kobe and shoot a jumper OR you go to the rack HARD and force the defense to either foul you or give you the lay up. He went in there all cute trying to get the angle on the board. If he’s not going to turn the jets on, I’d rather him settle for a pull up. But that’s not where Miami lost the game, they thought they had it with a minute to go and D-Wade clearly didn’t think Jrue and Lou were going to shoot those long 3s.

  • JoeMaMa

    It’s wrong to label the Knicks the worst playoff team, unless you add “because of injuries”. They lost Chauncey for the series, and Amare’s back took him out of the equation. If Chauncey and Amare are healthy, I think that series could’ve gone 6. Also, Jamal Crawford is a real talent, and I love his handle/pull up J. But that falling down when shooting act is so annoying. I’m going to start calling him Cristiano Crawford.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    So you’re saying you know more than the guys who hoop in the League for a living, right? And since your “main squeeze” didn’t get a vote, you’re salty? OK then, understood.

  • Aaron

    How is Turkoglu not mentioned in the recap?
    He blew it in hilarious fashion last night. This guy will be out of the league in a few seasons, playing for the motherland or something. HE IS A SCRUB.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    Eboy, I’m convinced you don’t have a real understanding of what sarcasm is.

  • T-Money

    E: you almost have to start Rio vs Rondo and maybe D-Rose don’t you? As D-Wade said (way to throw your teammates under the bus lol) the energy level is low in the starting line up. / Didn’t see the LA game. CP3′s stat line doesn’t even make sense.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Well there you have it, Ryne. Us foreigners have nothing worthwhile to add here in the comments section. Time to block all non-US IP’s!
    In more relevant news, Amare impressed me a lot in Gm4. And i’m not a fan of his, find him overrated.
    But when a guy with back spasms is hitting the deck, crashing the offensive glass and repeatedly driving in a do-or-die game, that’s heart.
    Much respect to STAT.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    T-Money, Bosh, Wade and Lebron need to look at themselves for the fact that Heat are slow starters…..they should be building leads early, instead of playing from behind. It ain’t on Z and Bibby. Well, Bibby needs to hit a f*cking shot, but those three have to score and play aggressive from the jump….not wait until they’re behind double figures and THEN press the gas.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Why do you call him Rio? that’s annoying.

  • JoeMaMa

    Oh, another thing: Kobe got beat on D by Chris Paul, but CP3′s arguably the best player in basketball RIGHT NOW. Good offense beats good defense every time. Kobe was a 1st team all NBA defender last year, as voted by the coaches. While he won’t get it this year, it’s a stretch to say he’s an average defender. He plays passing lanes well, provides good help D, disrupts the other team’s offense. There are some fans who love to trash players after a single off game, but students of the game can see beyond the day’s headlines.

  • JTaylor21

    Like I said, a clutch poll that doesn’t include Melo and has KD as the second best clutch player shouldn’t be argued as legitimate.

  • T-Money

    BC: Players are not always the best evaluator of current talent. What that poll actually tells you is that Kobe’s rep still resonates strongly among his peers – and more power to him for that.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    BS: And even proud of your own ignorance. You my good sir is a disgrace for the SLAM family. But I’m not getting into a mudslinging contest. Have actual work to do. Keep the keys on your phone hot that’s the way to become a big-time writer Mr. Smartphone-writer…

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Anthony Carter was great in his limited minutes too, great help D, some big shots. Nice to see the vet rise to the occasion.
    Playoffs ’11 are superb so far, conf. finals should be very hard fought.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    So the guys IN THE NBA who voted, don’t know what they’re talking about and you’re questioning their knowledge? I just want to make sure that we’re clear.
    For someone so loud and opinionated, you’re certainly dancing around this question and shockingly non-committal to boot.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    What an Edunce that stan is!

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Eboy: any insight into why Mike Miller is nailed to the bench? Injuries? Udo anywhere near being cleared to ball?

  • J-MAC

    If the Magic loose this series it seems possible SVG might get fired.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Lz is mad, ha!

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    you guys are all riled up today, jeez.
    get some coffee.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    its all about matchups in the playoffs zoom, how can you not know this? if you have bibby a 30+ vet who cant make open shots in game 4 guarding jrue holiday then that will cause the heat some trouble. plus dwade had mental lapses in the final minute and a half. his block was awesome tho! and lebron’s decision making down the wire is really frustrating. there are a lot of easy options on that last play, catch brand on the fly and fish a foul, drop pass to bosh down low, or shoot a midrange jumper.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Dark: Miller is washed. A shooter who can’t shoot is worthless.

  • JTaylor21

    “dancing”? All right I give up. I just feel sorry for a guy that agrees with a poll that choose a career 33% shooter in the clutch as the best clutch player and choose a guy that just made his first GW basket this season over one that has made more than 15.
    Ignorance is bliss, Ignorance is bliss!

  • T-Money

    BC: To me, Melo has been the best in the NBA in crunch time for some years now and he didn’t receive a single vote I believe. KD was second and his resume in the clutch is almost completely empty and he has never been out of the first round. ANd he’s in front of guys like Ray Ray and D-Wade who have won championships on clutch play. Even LeBron made clutch plays deep in the playoffs. So what I’m taking out of this poll is that Kobe’s rep is very solid among his peers. It doesn’t sway my opinion. (which is that Kobe is indeed clutch but doesn’T have an unparalleled ability to hit those shots)

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    T-Money, I’ll respect the opinions of the guys who play in the League any day of the week. Nobody knows the game like they do, even though all of us at times have felt like we do.
    I’m not sure as to why Melo’s name wasn’t included, but I have to think that the survey didn’t have his name on there. Blame SI for that one. And even if Melo’s name was on there, Kobe still would’ve won going away, I think.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    E: wow, that was quite the investment Riley made to get a washed up shooter. Who knows, maybe he’ll be an x-factor in a game or two this postseason.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Dark, Miller’s nursing injuries….numerous….but the main one is the thumb on his shooting hand. I guess Spo figured they can get past Philly without him. He’ll get another week of rest and then I’m sure he’ll start to see action again against the Celts. I think Haslem is going to see time in Game 1 of the Celtics series too. I doubt he’ll be productive, but his energy and the crowd boost might be inmeasurable.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    @ everything: I believe it was Wade who got that three drained in his face by Williams. You’re telling me that was a match up issue? I’m not disagreeing that matchups are ONE factor in playoff success but that has nothing to do with Heat/Sixers.

  • T-Money

    I’m not ducking this argument but I have to step out. Peace!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Takes a little more than a part-time writer to rile me up… Instead of focusing on me being from another country, you should explain how Kobe’s 5-18 performance wasn’t a ‘choke-job’? I’ll wait…

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    In terms of why they haven’t swept the Sixers*

  • bashmo

    Chris Paul is clearly the best point guard in the league and gives the full package at the point and he is proving it every game against these lakers. Shooting around a scorching 55 percent from the field, +50 from three, and all around beasting, CP has control and demonstrating what it means to be a true POINT(That’s for you Derrick Rose fans). Rose may be the better scorer but CP has all of the other intangible point qualities, including passing, defending, basketball I.Q, etc. It is astonishing what he is managing against theese defending Champs. And if anyone is still in doubt of how good CP has been, look at the hornets roster he is playing with. Seems like a bunch of ROLE PLAYERS and a SUPERSTAR

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    The “part-time writer” comment was funny, Lz. Why you so sensitive? You can dish the insults, but you can’t take ‘em, huh? You’re a funny guy, Copenhagen. Man up…

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    E: sounds reasonable to me. Crowd loves Udonis, right? And the Heat are gonna need improved post D and rebounding against Garnett.

  • JTaylor21

    I know this may be hard to believe but I don’t think NBA players have the time to watch as many games as most of us do. I mean between the games, practice, training, partying, and meeting with sponsors, what time do they really have to sit around watching every single game. So to sit here and say that because they are NBA players we should blindly agree with their opinions borders on stupidity.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    @ zoom: that was actually good defense by wade. lou just made a sweet shot. so no that was not the matchup issue i was talking about.
    wade made a mistake of sagging of jrue in the first 3 point shot that brought phi within 1.
    but to call the heat underachievers would discredit the heart of the sixers. give them their props

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    And since you’re such a fantastic writer, Lz, how about you direct us (or at least me) to something that you’ve written?
    You hide behind a screen name all the time, but where I can find stuff of yours that you’ve penned? I’d like to critique it like you critique what I write.
    I’ll wait…

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    @jtaylor, i kinda see your point.
    but instead of watching these games, most of them are out there actually playing them so there’s that.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Do they have to watch them? They play them. That was ridiculous.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Um, none of y’all are backing off your opinions on Kobe, let that ish go.
    Orlando is piss poor. No way they should be losing to the Hawks and their Gucci Mane offense. (So elementary a fifth grader could do it.)
    Dwight isn’t a leader, Van Gundy likes to panic, and the rest of the team is either soft or has an inflated view of self.
    Like T-Money said, when the Heat got up six with a minute left, they thought they had the game won. Jrue and Lou took two of the worst shots I’ve ever seen in crunch time, and managed to make them both. Heat ran too many isos down the stretch instead of 2/3 pick and rolls, which would have prevented the Sixers from trapping hard.
    Sadly, I missed Chris Paul go off because I was putting my babies to bed, and then trying to get my rest so I would get up and exercise this morning. He would decide to show out when I miss the damn game.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    I don’t think the Jrue shot was a bad one. He was WIDE open. You have to make him pay for that.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    NBA players watch a lot more basketball then you think they do, son. But it doesn’t matter because they see these cats perform up close and personal. They hoop and train with these guys in the offseason. There’s more to it than just “blindly” agreeing on stats. That more than just borders on stupidity, it is indeed stupid because numbers don’t provide context.
    You can look up all the stats you want, but unless you can tell me the situational context behind them, formulating an opinion based on them, especially in the clutch, is dumb.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I agree with JTaylor.
    Didn’t Lamarcus Aldridge just say the other day that he really had no idea how good Gerald Wallace was until he played with him?
    Don’t players say stuff like that all the time? Basically, most players don’t have time to break down a guy’s game. Nor do they care about advanced stats. They get most of their NBA knowledge from competing against players and watching ESPN.
    Besides, Kobe is clutch. He is the most clutch player in the league. He just isn’t efficient. Ever.
    So, he is never, EVER afraid to take a big shot. He’s never flustered, he’s always confident. But, that doesn’t mean he’s successful. At his age, he pretty much as to take a jumper, and it’s harder for him to creat space. So he’s taking very tough shots at the end of games.
    We all watch the games and we know which players have ice water in their veins, and which ones don’t. We know which players are effective and which ones aren’t. “clutch” is a mixture of both.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    I’m not taking credit from the Sixers. I think their heart was unbelievable BUT the Heat lost that game as much as the Sixers won it. Your example actually kinda proved my point.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    ‘Gucci Mane offense’, niiice.

  • JoeMaMa

    They play the games, and when they’re not on the court they’re dissecting the game on the sidelines; they watch countless videos on other teams (on flights, post-practice, pre-game) for prepatory purposes that goes MUCH deeper than a regular fan; they get detailed scouting reports from teams of scouts who watch games/evaluate talent for a living; their coaches tell them who to leave open, who to double, and in what situation…they talk to each other about who’s playing well, who isn’t, and who’s dangerous in certain moments; they know the history of each player’s triumphs and failures….and it was these very players who picked accordingly.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    What’s context ?

  • riggs

    the statement “im out like” needs to get murdered and left behind in 1999′s slam mag mail section.

  • JTaylor21

    Of course they play against them but only about 2-3 times a season. What about the times when LA plays Por or OKC plays Det or NY plays NJ? I doubt they have the time to watch all those games.
    Listen, I’m not implying that NBA players are not knowledgeable when it comes to the game but leaving out a guy like Melo shows to me that they are misinformed about who’s really clutch and who’s not.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Um, so y’all believe that most players in the league actually play close attention to video? Really? Um, ok. Lol.
    Like I said, players watch games, and they have opinions, but their opinions are often driven by the same media that drives the opinions of casual fans.
    Just because player’s say something about another player doesn’t make it gospel. Hell, general managers watch more basketball than ALL of us, yet we regular question their personnel decisions? Why, because they are fallible human beings.
    Yes, some sources deserve more credit than others, but blindly saying “Well the coach/ player said it so it must be true” doesn’t make sense.
    Kobe is clutch. Whether he is the most clutch is debatable. And he’s terribly inefficient.

  • A.

    Man, some people are SALTY that their team is the only one to get the janitorial treatment out of the Playoffs, and are trying to put another team down because they lost one game to a team that has played better than theirs overall. Makes no sense… The Heat lost that last game because they let their guard down. They relaxed at the wrong time and got got. Instead of trying to bash another team, hope and pray that your team makes the proper adjustments and gets the players necessary to not get embarrassed again. Most people had the MIA/PHI series going to 5 games. Yeah, we were expecting more sweeps, but interestingly, the games have been pretty competitive, which is more fun, at least to me. Why get on the Heat for losing A GAME to the Sixers, but make no comment about the Bulls losing A GAME to the Pacers? Makes no sense, and reeks of hate. Yeah, Miami lost one. But they get to play on Tuesday. Where them Knicks at? They played worse at home than in Boston!!! Get on the Knicks for that! Get on management for giving away all of the depth! Blame the Knicks for going away from STAT in game 1 when he was killing! Blame Jeffries for losing his nuts in game 2! Blame your coach for having no defensive philosophy to speak of! Heck, blame injuries if you want, even though they happen to EVERY TEAM and not only the Knicks. But don’t be like IAMORANGE4EVER and switch allegiance to the team that just kicked ya’lls a*ses (you can’t be ORANGE4EVER and also GREENUNTILTHEENDOFTHE2011PLAYOFFS)! Enjoy the Playoffs now that you don’t have anymore reasons to stress about your teams performance. But don’t be a b*tch.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Like I said, JTaylor, I doubt it was a write in poll. I think it was just a list of names and the players were asked to vote 1-5 on who they felt was the most clutch.
    Any list like that with Kobe’s name on it (especially in relation to the other 4 players listed with him), he’ll almost always be No. 1. But to imply that NBA players are “misinformed” about who’s clutch in the League is ridiculous. They know who is and who isn’t. If Melo wasn’t an option for them to choose from, that’s not their faults.
    Again, blame Sports Illustrated.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    i still cant label them as underachieving. when your up 3-0 and somehow lose game 4. that’s not underachieving. now if you have 3 seven footers with arguably the best or one of the best closers in the game and your tied 2 games a piece against a team whos missing its second option…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Remember the complaints about the coaches poll in college? That basically coaches weren’t really watching games and were just voting based on name value?
    Or all the poor selections for the Pro Bowl?
    Why are y’all ignoring all these other examples of “experts” not being knowledgeable about their peers?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Efficiency wasn’t a part of the poll or the conversation.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    Damn A. killed it!!!!

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    @A, no talk about bulls losing cuz it was two days ago. dont worry, us bulls fans will fans will probably get ours tomorrow.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    sorry for the grammar.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yes it is.
    Clearly, all the stats say Kobe is inefficient in the clutch. I mean, you can discount stats, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. If a player misses bunches of shots, turns the ball over and fails regularly according to the raw data, that’s what happens.
    But, as you noted earlier, context is important. Kobe is clutch, in my opinion, because he’s not afraid to fail. He is willing to try, and always has confidence in his ability to succeed. He’s just limited in what he can do at this age and physical condition. It reminds me of Jordan in Washington in some ways. Mike still had the same iron will and confidence, but physically he couldn’t do all the things he used to be able to do. He had to settle for certain shots instead of imposing his will. That’s where Kobe is now.
    When he gets a quality look, he is going to kill anybody. But, it’s harder and harder for him to get a quality look when the defense loads up on him.
    So he’s inefficient.

  • JTaylor21

    Come on son. I doubt that SI failed to include Melo in the poll, that’s hard to believe.
    Why do people think that players are different from the everyday person? They are exactly the same as everyone on here, the only difference being that they are supremely talented ballers.
    The media influences their thoughts and opinions the exact same way they influence our opinions.
    If they actually sit down to watch all those games like y’all claim, they would see that KD isn’t clutch at all, see that Melo is the best at making late game shots, see that while KB is clutch, his rep is more hype than reality but they don’t instead they are more likely to watch SC.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    Umm since when do I not criticize decisions “my” team makes? You basically wrote a book proving nothing. At least get your facts straight before you respond. I’m not “getting on management” about the trade because I did that when the trade happend…a few months ago. You’re a little late to the party. Welcome to the month of April. Try blaming the coach? Yean because everyone knows how I never do that. You can’t be serious. The Heat are underachievers. Period.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    The only thing A killed was his credibility. Repeating my own criticisms of the Knicks, sans aknowledging their injuries, only proves he doesn’t read well.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @JTaylor: So you think that Melo WAS an option and every single one of the 166 players just refused to give him a nod?! You can’t be serious.
    @Allen: The question was stated plainly: WHO DO YOU WANT SHOOTING WITH THE GAME ON THE LINE?
    I doubt that the guys who voted were concerned about efficiency or went to one of those stat websites to do research before making their selections.
    Whether you take those things into consideration or not is on you, but most players don’t care about stuff like that.

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, I agree with most of your 12:14 post except for the last part. Age and physical condition has nothing to do with KB’s inefficiency because he’s been an inefficient player since day one. Go look at Prime KB’s shooting percentage and tell me it doesn’t look the same as this year’s KB. Dude has always been around 45% every season, so I doubt that age has anything to do with it.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    BS: I never said I was a writer… Much less a fantastic one, that is you making up things… I have no problem with taking insults, you can curse my family etc all you want – not me who will go into thugg-mode and start throwing threats around if people mention my wife. Just don’t see why your bigot comments, shouldn’t warrant a comment – after all you are a representative of SLAM (sadly so). This is why I find it weird that when people say things you don’t agree with, you label them foreigners or the like. That is true ignorance and not fitting for a representative of SLAM to be saying these kind of things or maybe it is just me… Btw you can call me Copenhagen all day everyday, that is a wonderful city so I take that as a compliment. Anyways let’s leave this, people come here to read about basketball not reading this boring on-going discussion. My initial comment was about basketball, you who went down this path with your ignorant ‘foreigner’ comment. And you still havn’t explained how the 5-18 performance wasn’t a choke job?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ everything

    no zoom they are not. they are still in the playoffs. until they’re knocked off, you cant say they are underachieving.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    YEP, THEY’RE STILL LOSERS

    BROOMSDAY

    KA-BROOM

    MELO-CHOLY

    All headlines of the NY papers today. Yep, they must be hating too.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    the collective panties of the knicks fans seems to be in a bunch.
    they lost, get over it guys.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Copenhagen is fan-tastic btw.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Kobe going scoreless in the first half, for the first time in 7 years, should be answer enough, Lz, to Kobe’s choke job last night. Crawford shouldn’t have to make excuses. It’s there in black and white, in stat lines, to the eye test, whatever means basketball dummies use today.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    My bad, Copenhagen, you’re an editor, right? I mean, you did say that’s what you were, am I correct? I can find the quote if it’s absolutely necessary.
    So if you’re not a writer, then that would mean that you somehow got an editor’s gig without having ever written a thing? Am I understanding this correctly? I just want to be sure.
    And I’m off Kobe, I’m talking about you now.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sigh.
    If most players don’t take into account information that clearly contradicts their existing opinions, then that doesn’t make them right.
    It makes them typical human beings.
    Of course I pay attention to other information, particularly if it contradicts what I already believe. I need to consider that information and its context to see if I need to change what I believe.
    Otherwise, what’s the point? If you only take in information that confirms your pre-existing bias, what are you really doing besides wasting time.
    And I’m not evne talking about advanced stats. I’m talking about the reports that broke down fourth quarter efficiency and discovered all that info about Kobe. And the ones that broke down last second shots.
    And that’s raw data. That’s just what happened. If that’s not important, then what you’re saying is that nothing is important unless it backs up what I already believe. That’s more than a little ridiculous.

  • Justin

    OKC only took the Lakers to 6 last year.

  • A.

    @airs: There’s a Post Up everyday, so if they haven’t gotten stupid hate like what dude is dishing, they aren’t going to get it. I haven’t read anything about them underachieving because they lost one to the Pacers, because really, it’s stupid to even think that. That’s not underachieving. They’re still one game away from advancing. The Bulls have been f*cking impressive in their wins, their defense more so than their offense. They’ve done what they are known to do, shut teams down defensively and grind out wins. Indiana won a game, it happens. Philly won a game, they deserved it the way they played. Collins has those boys playing with confidence, the shots were bound to fall one day. So I see absolutely NO reasons to get on the Heat for losing a game. Or any team for that matter. Maybe the fact that his team was the only one with a donut in the win column this postseason dawned on him and the only way he saw fit to react was the same idiotic reaction we’ve seen since the July 9th: “We lost to Boston, so f*ck the Heat”.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    EBOY 9:35. Who guards Chris Paul well? Like maybe 3 people in the league. Kobe is better at guarding bigger 2′s and smaller 3′s and then yes he is a good 1 on 1 defender. Against Paul, Rose, ETC, no he can’t guard them worth sh*t.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    @everything: Yes they are. The Heatles shouldn’t have lost yesterday. What Knick fans are on here whining or feeling ‘salty’? If anyone can provide an example of it let me know.

  • http://www.walshsportsblog.com Darren

    Real Knicks fans know that there wasnt much chance when Billups went out. Melo did his best, but its going to take a few offseason moves and better chemistry to contend.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    @A, it was the weekend, no one checks this site on the weekend.
    if the bulls lost yesterday, best believe the backlash would be ridiculous right about now. you should know this if you read the post up everyday.
    and the bulls haven’t been as impressive as you’d like to believe. that comeback would have been epic, but they shouldn’t have been down 18 to begin with.
    boozer is the reason for the bulls struggles, but we’ll save this for tomorrow.

  • JTaylor21

    BC, yes I wholeheartedly believe that was the case. You know why? Because they are susceptible to the media’s manipulation just like everyone else. When was the last time you heard Melo’s name brought up during a conversation concerning clutchness on ESPN? All you hear from those so-called experts regarding the best clutch players is Kobe, Rose and sometimes Dirk.
    Go look back at the GM survey NBA.com did this year and you will see that even the GMs lack knowledge when it comes to judging players.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    BS: Just to clear it up. I work at a Chamber of Commerce. We have a quarterly magazine that I co-edit. This is a very small part of what I do and I am by no means an expert nor a good writer. As I am a Communications graduate, I get the nod together with my boss. My speciality is the business side of the Chamber’s operations. However I have read enough to see what is a good journalism and what is not. And the things you produce on your smartphone normally is the latter imo. Why are you off Kobe? Can’t you explain to me why my ‘choke job’ comment led to you going into name-calling instead of explaining why you don’t agree. If my comment was so stupid why can’t you argumentation prove it?

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    Again, I’ve been pretty consisent genius. I’ve called the Heat underachievers all season. Yesterday’s L only further convinced me. Wwhat does that have to do with the Knicks?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Again, Allen, we’re not talking about what YOU would do. The poll wasn’t asked of “people who think like Allenp.” It was asked of professional basketball players in the NBA.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Sorry for the typos. I too am on the smartphone (I just don’t write articles on it, seriously what kind of writer does that?).

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If no 3 people in the league can guard Chris Paul well, and Kobe’s only “better” at guarding 2′s and 3′s, why does he keep switching out on him and putting his team at a decided disadvantage? It’s been 4 games now. Either the Lakers team D is deplorable, Phil’s schemes are terrible or the “stoppers” the Lakers and their fans have touted since the beginning of the season (Kobe, Barnes, Artest) are all fugazi. Shout out to 1999! It’s an excuse. Kobe’s taking the challenge. If he fails at it (guarding CP3)continuously, how is not deserving of criticism? Last night, his offense was terrible too. The other night when he posted a 30 point game and was being touted as “classic Kobe” does last night constitute him as playing at “current Kobe” level? I mean, let’s be fair.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Well then Lz, you should be a bit more clear next time. And I don’t see what writing on a Blackberry (which I stopped doing over a year ago) and then later transferring that to a computer to apply finishing touches has to do with anything, Copenhagen. Why does that matter? You know, I’ve been dissed much better than that on this site Mr. Co-Editor of a quarterly Chamber of Commerce magazine.
    See what I did there?

  • JTaylor21

    “Melo did his best”, word? Apart from his 42/17 Gm2, what other game did he do his best in?
    I just find it funny that no one is getting on the supposed best scorer’s long history of losing in the first round. This latest first round flame-out marks the 7th time in 8 seasons that dude has been bounced out in the first round. People get on T-Mac all the time for never making it out of the first round but seem to give a pass to Melo. I guess making it to one WCF is good enough for most people.

  • A.

    @airs: I give props where they’re deserved. The Bulls are in total control of their series and I expect them to close it out next game. They aren’t playing around. The fact that they even had a chance of winning that last game is impressive. They always find a way to win, that is impressive. Maybe I’m not impressed by much, but I find that ‘never say die’ attitude impressive. Like the Sixers win from last night. You might be right that no one cares about the weekend Post Ups though. But hating on a team for losing one game is irrational.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If the Heat are underachievers, the Spurs, Bulls, Lakers and Magic must be useless, sh*tty, disgusting and laughable….actually, scratch the Magic, they’re just as bad as the Knicks.

  • A.

    @zoom: You’re right, that has nothing to do with the Knicks. But you going out of your way to bash the Heat for being underachievers today even though they have a commanding 3-1 lead has everything to do with the Knicks. Well, the Knicks being swept to be precise. But hey, that’s just my opinion. Feel free to disagree.

  • rich

    why dont they just put shannon brown on him ne1 know if that would work?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You know who watches less basketball then us in the NBA? The players. They are/should be worried about their own teams, and possibly their next opponent. Does anyone think there is a player in the league, not on the Lakers that can tell you if Kobe did or didn’t hit a game winner this year? I don’t. You can poll all the people in my office about who is the best in the field, we work for the same company so we should have better insight then anyone else right? Well most of us have no idea who’s better at their job then anyone else because we are more worried about doing our own. Same concept has to atleast at some level apply to the NBA.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Heat better figure out how to win games in the last 2 minutes. They will not stand a chance against Boston if they can’t.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    BC
    Your basic argument is “They play in the NBA so obviously they know more about who is clutch or not clutch then anybody who doesn’t play in the NBA.”
    This argument is only a good argument if you don’t excel at thinking logically.
    Do politicians automatically no more than non-politicians about what are the best choices for our government to make?
    Do coaches automatically know better than laymen what are the best substitution patterns to use or plays to call?
    Does LeBron automatically know better than you what parts of his game he should spend time developing simply because it’s his game?
    Being closer to a subject does not automatically make you and expert on every ancillary topic regarding that subject. Just thinking through the issue should expose the flaw in that mindset.
    Besides, you’ve decided, with no proof, that Sports Illustrated gave the players a list of potential clutch players and Melo wasn’t included on that list and that’s why his name wasn’t mentioned even though he’s obviously one of the must clutch players in the league. You’ve decided this because otherwise your entire argument about players knowing best is completely undercut. So, you’ve created facts to justify a position you’ve staked out, and you’re ignoring all competing information that that contradicts that position.
    Just another day at Slamonline.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    @A – i completely agree.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    BS: I saw what you did right there, and I kind of liked it. That diss is deserved, if you noticed I myself downplayed what I do regarding the magazine we do around here. Like I said my focus is on the business side of things. You know for many people basketball is just a hobby and as much as I love it, the things that make the world go around (politics and business) are much more interesting working with on a day-to-day basis. Maybe one day you will come to the same conclusion, maybe not. You still couldn’t answer the question regarding Kobe’s last game…

  • QQQQQ!

    @airs

    come back to LA Fitness.

    also, props to kobe for busting out the sky hook last night.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    @QQQQQ!, haha!! i’ll try that week pass some day soon bro.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    @ A, as I said you’re not making any sense. I’ve been saying the same thing about them since November. @ Eboy: In terms of underachieving only the Lakers comparison even remotely makes sense, and that’s strictly because they are the reigning back to back champs. The Superfriends should be the no. 1 seed sweeping the Pacers right now. Instead, they’re no. 2…to the Bulls. I make no excuses for my team. You can’t say the same.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Gotta love Allenp and his reasoning.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allen, first of, yes, that is my basic point. NBA players know more about their League and the players who compete in it than any “outsider” does. You want to argue that they’re wrong and bring in efficiency and all of that other BS into what was a very simple and basic question and then say that their opinion should not be viewed as valid since they didn’t come to a conclusion using all of the statistical information that was available to them.
    And I have not “decided” that Melo wasn’t included on the list, I made an “assumption” that he wasn’t included on the list. There is a difference. I could be wrong, I could be right, but I’m not saying it with 100% certainty. It just seems to make sense that his name couldn’t have possibly been included if he didn’t even receive a small percentage of the vote. If Melo was an option, there is no way he wouldn’t have gotten a percentage of the vote. Now that I am saying with 100% certainty.
    If we all know that he’s clutch, how could a guy who plays in the NBA not know? That doesn’t make sense.
    But your routine display of a God complex in the comment section, just another day at SLAMonline.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Word, Lz. How’s Sao Paolo this time of year?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    why should Miami be the 1 seed?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    @nbk, cuz otherwise they’re underachieving, duh.

  • http://www.slamonline.com peter

    2009 first round…7 games vs scrappy Rockets. 2010 first round…6 games vs upstart Thunder. 2011 first round…6 games vs best PG in the L and scrubs..nothing to worry about

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Its not that Kobe isn’t clutch, its that he isn’t the MOST clutch. NBA players don’t know who the best at things like that are, they aren’t supposed to. Run a pole of NBA scouts of who is the most clutch, that will probably yield a better answer. The players see highlights just like everyone else, they don’t get some amazing copy of game film everynight for every player in the league. Its absurd to think they know who the best clutch player is, its not absurd for them to vote on which player they are most afraid of in the clutch, which is what that poll really translates into. Who is the most clutch player? they have no idea, but that wouldn’t be a sufficient answer

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Again, “Who Is Most Clutch” wasn’t the question.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    Why shouldn’t they? Having two of the leagues top 3 players, in addition to another top 15 guy, while practically guaranteeing 7 chips is a good place to start. I won’t buy the whole ‘weak bench’ argument as to why they shouldn’t be. And I hope no one uses the “they only played together one season” argument either.

  • feez22

    … Chris Paul … he led the game in scoring, rebounding and assists. Thats all i need to say about him. On to the other games. New york obviously got swept. I predicted that before the series even started but tbh if they had a healthy amare/billups they would have definitely won a game or 2. orlando is a huge dissapointment. That goes without saying. The heat… tsk tsk. Lebron gets called “lebrick” by the mass media when in fact WADE was the one that lost them the game to begin with. jrue, lou shoot over him and he misses 2-3 2pt shots including a layup within clutch time and its all lebron’s fault. NICE. tbh though… lebron should be going to the rim to ATTACK and DUNK instead of going soft. Yes andre iguodala is on him but jeez go up strong. This is the playoffs.

  • A.

    @zoom: Let’s use the injuries excuse for the Heat not being the 1 seed in the East. See how easy it is to discount everything every other team did to also get better in the off-season?

  • A.

    @zoom: Injuries. :)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If any team in the east “should be the 1 seed” its Boston. Any argument that says Miami should and Boston shouldn’t doesn’t make sense. – and if you haven’t noticed, seeding in the playoffs has absolutely nothing to do with who wins the championship. Winning 4 series is how you win a title, not by winning the regular season.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ok so who do you want shooting the last shot? whats the difference? Bryan are you saying they just enjoy watching Kobe shoot? Or don’t care about winning? Last shot, most clutch, whats the difference? how it looks?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t have a God complex.
    I have a logic complex. There is a difference.
    You saying with 100 percent certainty that Melo couldn’t have been included on the clutch list really has no value.
    You have no proof. Your saying that it couldn’t have happened any other way because otherwise your entire argument is invalid.
    But, let’s take it a step further.
    According to SI, Derrick Rose received zero votes by the players, yet came in second when they took it to fans.
    Yet, Joakim Noah says Derrick Rose is the best closer in the game today.
    Hmmm…. An NBA player says Derrick Rose is the best closer, so it must be true. Only no other NBA players agree with him. NONE.
    Hmmm… How do we solve this problem using the “If NBA players say it, it must be true” test?
    Oh yeah, based on the way SI commented on the poll, they sure didn’t make it seem like players had to choose from a set list of players. Seemed like it was pick who you wanted? Or, if it was a set group of players, that means that all 166 players, are roughly half the League, decided Rose wasn’t clutch at all?
    Hmmm…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    HO DO YOU WANT SHOOTING WITH THE GAME ON THE LINE?

    Kobe Bryant, Lakers G 74%

    Kevin Durant, Thunder F 8%

    Dwyane Wade, Heat G 3%

    Ray Allen, Celtics G 2%

    Dirk Nowitzki, Mavericks F 2%

    Based on 166 NBA players who responded to SI’s survey

    POLL TO THE PEOPLE

    Starting this issue, SI will take every player poll to Facebook for a second perspective, from the fans (right). Last week 990 online voters weighed in, and while the masses seconded Bryant as the go-to game-winner, Derrick Rose—who received no votes when SI polled players in the first half of the season—finished a relatively close second. Look for future polls at facebook.com/sportsillustrated.

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated. cnn. com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1184597/index.htm#ixzz1KYcSnzVm

  • JTaylor21

    This is for all those Heat fans that were clamoring for Big Z and Bibby to start, what are y’all smoking? Z and Bibby on the floor at the same time has been by far the Heat’s weakest lineup and the reason for their slow starts.
    As you can see by watching the games, Mia always gets off to a slow start defensively and offensively with Bibby and Z in the starting lineup then as soon as Chalmers/Joel check into the game, they quickly get back into the game and most times take the lead. I still don’t get why Spo continues to use the same slow lineup vs a fast team like Philly because Bibby doesn’t have a chance at staying in front of Holiday and when he’s shot is off, he’s basically a negative out there. Same with Z, who struggles to recover on the PnR therefore making it easier for the Sixers to attack the paint.
    Can any Heat fan explain to me what they see in the Z/Bibby lineup?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Early in the series, Z was killing on the offensive glass, and Bibby is still a good shooter.
    So, that’s probably why the started, plus the fact that as starters most of their long careers they are used to that role.
    I blame Bron and Wade for the slow starts. They set the tempo. If they come out guns blazing and focused, the whole team follows suit. If they don’t, the team won’t. It’s that simple.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Probably because Spo knows this is the playoffs and you don’t just change your starting lineup every series, or as an adjustment to a team that your clearly better then, no matter who you start. Bibby and Z will be very useful against Boston, LA (if they make it there)

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    @nbk, never said seeding would prevent them from getting to the title. There’s actually NOTHING that I’d accept as a good reason the Heat don’t win it all. In defense of Boston, and hate all things Celtics, they’ve already proven they don’t care as much about the regular season. You can’t compare the two.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Anyone that thought the Heat were “shoe-in’s” to win it all this year, with no excuses as to them not doing it, is a fuc*ing moron. Take that for what you will. Keep it forefront in your mind. Whatever you want to do with it.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Allen,
    I like what you’re saying, but when a teammate anoints someone as something it should be in question.
    My journalism teacher always said that if your mom says you are gorgeous, get a second opinion.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    @zoom, then what does it matter if the heat get the first seed or not?
    you’re arguing yourself into a hole, bud.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    You’re a smart, logical fellow…who can READ. Pull the quote where I said with “100% certainty” that Melo wasn’t on the list. I challenge you to produce that.
    But then again, since you said that I said it, I must have. So you win. My arms are far too short to box with you, God.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nicholas
    No doubt.
    But, B.C. has long touted Rose’s clutch bonafides. More importantly, since this isn’t a debate about clutchness, but about who should take the last shot, I find it important that NO OTHER NBA PLAYER CHOSE ROSE.
    Then again, the entire survey was done before the second half of the season was completed.
    But, bottom line, I do think Kobe is clutch. But, I don’t define “clutch” as making every shot. I define it as a certain confidence and calmness in the clutch regardless of the outcome. Kobe has that. But, at this stage of his career, I’m not sure he can always get a quality shot isolated against the other team’s best player with everybody watching his next move.
    That was my point from the beginning.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    I’ll take it to heart like I do all of your comments, and the wisdom behind them Eboy :-D …And I expect them to back up the summertime celebrations, tweets, etc. No chip means epic failure. Take that however you like.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If anything Miami can use Boston as a template for why they don’t need to be a 1 seed. From 2001-2010 the #1 seed won the title 3 times. Not a #1 seed won the title the other 6.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Dark; SP is ok this time a year, it is getting colder however. Not the best time to visit if that is what you are thinking, but then again there is no real bad time to go here. The weather is always reasonably nice compared to Northern Europe and wonderful beaches is just a drive away.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    We’ll remember the epic failure as they are counting chips for the next few seasons.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    @ airs: Them not having the no. 1 seed means they underachieved throughout th reg season. How is that so hard a concept to grasp?

  • JTaylor21

    Sure, the same way he used the same starting lineup throughout the RS, oh wait he didn’t….

  • vtrobot

    pretty sure that facts (actual “clutchness” stats) trump everyone’s personal opinions. peace.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    key to that sentence is regular season taylor.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    …yet you’re saying the seeding doesn’t matter or shouldn’t factor into them getting the title.
    so why…is it important again?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    …yet you say that seeding doesn’t matter or shouldn’t factor into them getting the title.
    so why…is it important?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    damn it slam, why.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    who you talkin to airs?

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t seeding a reflection of the record? Soooo Miami’s seeding reflects that the Bulls had a better record than them. To me that’s underachieving throughout the regular season. These same Heatles lost to a 76ers team that had Lou Williams and Jrue Holiday carrying the team in the final minutes. The very same team that celebrated the summer before the season even started.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    my bad, that was @zoom.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    The loss is underachieving in the playoffs to me. Nothing you say can convince me otherwise.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    When does the Knicks preseason start? Late September?

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i’d hardly call a team who has been together all of one season, getting the 2nd seed in the East, currently being up 3-1 and being one of the favorites to win the title, ahem, “underachieving”.
    not being able to squeak out one win a playoff series, now that, that could be called underachieving.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    in a*

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    garhka;’ jckdp ;dknsi

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You said:
    “If Melo was an option, there is no way he wouldn’t have gotten a percentage of the vote. Now that I am saying with 100% certainty.”
    Melo got no votes, using your logic, he couldn’t have been on the list.
    You are asserting, with 100 percent certainty, that Melo wasn’t on the list.
    If it’s impossible for him to receive zero votes and be on the list, then the fact that he received zero votes means he couldn’t have been on the list. So you are asserting, with 100 percent certainty, that he wasn’t on the list.
    Only, there is no way you can know that. Just like there is no way you can know that Melo would have received votes even if he was on the mythical list, which you still haven’t proven existed.
    Basically, you’re created facts to make you right, and ignoring all facts that make you wrong.
    Classic.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    Lmao Okay, so the Knicks who were together half a season underachieved, while the Heat who had training camp and a full season together didn’t? Getting the No. 2 seed when your second best player is better than Bulls 1st option isn’t underachieving, but the Knicks did when their 2nd best player was injured?

  • JTaylor21

    NBK, I understand but when you continue to do the same thing but are expecting different results, that’s the definition of insanity. Spo keeps on trotting Z and Bibby out there with the starting lineup expecting them to come out from the start and play good but time after time again that same lineup puts MIA in a hole they have to dig out of for the rest of the game.
    That’s not a recipe for success, if Bibby is have a hard time checking JHoliday, just imagine what Rondo would do to him. Same with Big Z, who moves around like he got cement shoes on.
    Just having Bron/Wade/Bosh out there should be more than enough offensively but offense shouldn’t be the main issue come playoff time, it’s all about the defense end.
    This is not the Matrix, you don’t have to choose between the red or blue pill, it’s simple logic. MIA is a way better defensive team when Joel and Chalmers are on the floor and an average defensive team with Z/Bibby out there.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Sorry bout the incoherent rambling @ 2:18.
    I have a hangover from hell.
    For real.
    But somehow I still managed to make more sense than zoom.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    These other Knick fans around here give me a bad name.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    @ Enigmatic: Congrats on the joke it took 2 hrs to think of! Thumbs up lmao!

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, are you on smack?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Here, I’ll be nice to the Knicks: If they get Jeff Van Gundy to coach, find a tough, front court defender/rebounder to make up for STAT’s lapses, get a nice scorer (Jamal Crawford again?) from the bench to relieve Melo from having to do everything from the perimeter and shore up the PG spot (maybe making Chauncey a bench contributor)….then I would say the Knicks (and their fans) will have the ammunition to throw criticisms at the rest of the league. Their front court scoring is covered for the next 5 years.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Two hours?
    You seen me post anything before that?
    You know what I was doing 2 hours ago, Miss Cleo?

  • A.

    Nobody said the Knicks underachieved. We’re saying they got their a*ses kicked by the Celtics. Unless you consider the fact that they didn’t WIN A GAME in the Playoffs as underachieving, then they underachieved as hell. Many people expected the BOS-NYK series to be a slugfest, going to at least 6 games. No one expected them to advance past the first round though, well other than IAMGREENUNTILTHEENDOFTHE2011PLAYOFFS.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    IAMGREENUNTILTHEENDOFTHE2011PLAYOFFS is classic.
    And where the hell is AllBall?
    I thought dude would be going bananas on here today after the MONSTER game he had.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    *he = CP3.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Seems like Allenp has a ‘Full Clip’ today… I like it.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Hey man, like I said, you’re God…especially in here where people co-sign and hang on your every word. You’ve clearly won the sites popularity contest and that’s obviously important to you. Good for the ego, I guess, but personally, I couldn’t care less.
    So who am I to dare argue with you in your domain? In the place where you have dominion? The place where you are ALWAYS right?
    Going back to my “place” now. Thanks for putting me there.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    ((Sighs)) A, you really should work on that reading comprehension. That comment was in response to airs saying that the Knicks did in fact underachieve. @ Enigmatic: You take comments waaaay too literally.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    JTaylor21 Posted: Apr.25 at 2:27 pm
    Enigmatic, are you on smack?

    ________________________________________________Also Classic

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    This has been a particularly cantankerous Monday.

  • A.

    Sigh. Zoom, the Knicks didn’t underachieve. They did what everyone thought they would do. Lose in the first round. Maybe we thought they would make things a bit tougher on the Celtics, but that’s on us for believing the hype. But no one considered the Knicks a threat.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Bryan Crawford
    I’m always right everywhere. And it wasn’t but a few years ago when I was regularly reviled on this site because I had a penchant for always thinking I was right, and interjecting race into every discussion. I still do both things whenever warranted.
    I’m not trying to be popular, why would I care what random people on the Internet think about me as a person?
    But, I do like winning arguments. I like that a lot. This isn’t my domain. You present your ideas and I present mine. How can this by “my domain” when I’m a nobody?
    You are funny.
    Anyway on a basketball note, I thought the Grizzlies could upset the Spurs, but I am still surprised. I’m shocked that Tony Parker hasn’t dominated Conley yet. I thought that would be the one problem area for the Grizzlies.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    A, broken record much? I myself said on multiple occaisions that they weren’t going to make much noise this year without a few very specific changes. What exactly is your point? You have yet to post anything I haven’t already said since the beginning of the season, from firing D’Antoni to not trading for Melo. Really trying to understand exactly what you’re getting at other than preaching to the choir.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    You ain’t lie, Eboy.

  • add

    sixers coulda won game 1 + 3 also…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    if there is one thing conley is decent at its guarding small quick pg’s. I thought this would be the best series in the West. (I also thought Brandon Roy was human)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and we should be talking about how good Chris Paul was last night. That performance was transcendent

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    sorry zoom, but i have nearly nothing else but IAMORANGE’s comments to go off of when it comes to knick’s fans predictions about their team.
    maybe you did have them losing in the first round, but i doubt you felt they were going to be swept.
    i didn’t think they’d be swept.
    so yeah, thats underachieving in my book.

  • A.

    @zoom: Because you’re constantly bringing groundbreaking news yourself right? OK, got you. Carry on and good day to you sir. I have some sweeping to do.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    You still have a penchant for thinking you’re always right. And yes, I think you care a great deal about being the “Mayor” of the comment section. But that’s just me being illogical and going off of my unreliable feelings since I have no statistical data to back that claim up.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And let me be clear on something that’s been popping up.
    Whenever I have a discussion with anybody, anywhere and we’re debating our point of view, I start with the belief that my point of view is right.
    It doesn’t mean I can’t be convinced that I’m wrong, it’s happened before, but I start out believing that I am right. Always. Why would I believe something that I think is wrong? That would be asinine.
    So, for future information purposes for everyone, I will always think I’m right, until you convince me otherwise. That is all.

  • JTaylor21

    For all those knicks fans using the “Oh, Amare and Billups were hurt” excuse for the reason why Bos took the Knicks behind the woodshed, stop it slime. The Hornets are tied with the world champs without their second best player, the Grizz are up 2-1 on the top-seeded spurs without their best player, the Pacers have been there at end during every game vs the EC top seed, the Hawks are up 3-1 vs the same team that embarrassed them last playoffs and the sixers staved off elimination and beat the league’s top road team. The knicks on the other hand couldn’t win one measly game vs a BOS team that was reeling coming into the playoffs and all the talk before the playoffs was about how no one wanted to face the Knicks in the first round.
    Oh, how the world turns.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I really want in on Bryan Crawford and Allen’s exchange for obvious reasons. But I won’t. There will be a time.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LMBO
    When did I become mayor? Was there a vote? I didn’t even campaign…
    Man, it’s as simple as liking to win. Period. I come here to argue about basketball and win arguments. That’s the purpose this site serves in my life, along with allowing me to take a break from working.
    I used to do it at ESPN, but the racists raised my blood pressure. I used to do it at Sports on My Mind and Starting Five, but the content wasn’t frequent enough. I tried Dime for a minute, but their comment section was boring.
    So, I ended up sticking here.
    I have carried myself pretty much the same way since I started commenting here. From back in the day when I got into it with the paid writers who also complained that I always think I’m right.
    Again, none of these people know me in real life. Until I started doing the occasional online piece, none of them even knew my real name.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Haven’t the Celtics been playing for over a month without their starting center?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Those obvious reasons must not be so obvious cause I have no idea what you talkin bout, Philo.

  • http://www.bet.com zoom

    @ airs: No I didn’t think they were going to be swept. I also didn’t think Billups and Amare would miss games, but I digress. @ A: Your entire argument from the beginning was based off of the assumption that I was making iamorange-like predictions, and became upset with the sweep, hence my Heat “hate”. Talk all the trash you want about the Knicks, I don’t mind one bit. Just make sure the base of your argument is true.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    AllenP, the wise internet nomad…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen is more of the voice of reason then the mayor. BC you probably have as much “power” in this room as allen, or more so if you count the type of emotional responses people give to your comments.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    wait no that was meant as a compliment, i don’t want no piece of this!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I always pictured AllenP as the NAACP rep for SLAMOnline. One of my first interactions with Allen was years ago when he and I argued about the way European immigrants were treated in the late 1800′s/early 1900′s. Yes, that topic was discussed here on the SLAM boards…..I think it stemmed from a discussion about African-American abuse at the hands of slave owners. That was also discussed here years ago. The topics over the last year or two don’t usually lend themselves to deep thought.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Not surprised AllenP and BC are having a verbal spar.
    Two of the most stubborn, “no way is this dude gonna win this argument”-minded guys on here.
    And I mean that as a compliment.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Eboy, I’ve gone back and looked at the archives on here when I was bored or whatever, and honestly, alls I mostly saw was the regulars and writers picking on a new commenter whenever they popped up.
    I read the post where nbk got killed for using caps locks in his first few comments, for example.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    It would be enteraining to hear what roles everyone sees everyone else as here. Like BC callin Allen the mayor, that sh*ts funny.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This is a classic anecdote:
    “Howard came over to the press table to exchange barbs with a couple of trash-talking fans during a break in the third quarter. “You’re the biggest whiner in the league,” one of them said. “You wanna come out here and play me?” Howard responded. “I’m averaging 33 points a game. Just keep drinking your beer.”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Enigmatic
    NBK got killed for being a prick. Because he was, by his own admission.
    Lol.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Haha eboy I remember that. What’a a crazy day that was, that made me so confrontational for the first few weeks I posted here. I used to go in on Jukai and Allen on the reg. And used to kill Tad about the pistons

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    nbk was largely unlikeable at the beginning of his commenting life. He was almost like Jukai’s little brother. Like Jukai, he came around and wasn’t nearly annoying as his initially seemed.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Matic*

  • JTaylor21

    Watching y’all argue is similar to watching Tom chase Jerry. No matter the kind of trap Tom set, it seemed like Jerry was always five steps ahead of him. Now who’s Tom and who’s Jerry? That’s for y’all to decide.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    How dare you, Allenp? Gucci Mane is the Shakespeare of our generation, in that they’re both lyrical geniuses and have ice cream tattoos on their face.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Ah, I see.
    It all makes sense now.
    Sooper, by the way the role I see you in in the SLAMverse is “that Hollinger stan”.
    Nah, just playing.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Hahaha the old me would be Sooper offended. But I am cool with it after all I did figure my comment section PER is like 16 so lol jk

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    I’m pretty sure I’m the most clutch commenter here. Well, I at least would win a, “Who would you want to typing with the comment section on the line?” poll voted by my peers. Unless I got Carmelo’ed…

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    ^hahahaha

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP = the straight and narrow politician
    BC = the crooked police chief
    EBoy = the local wyno
    Enigmatic = the crazy, ex-military guy
    T-Money = the swindling hustler
    NBK = the real tyrone biggum

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Funny comparison since I don’t drink! LMAO!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    JTaylor21=the kid that has served time for stalking and irrational thought.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Isn’t straight and narrow politician an oxymoron?
    And as long as I’m like an R. Lee Ermey type “crazy ex-military guy” and not dude from American Beauty, I’m cool with that.
    And LOL at NBK = real Tyrone Biggums

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Lmao

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Nbk : “SLAM commenters, there’s something you might not know about me…I SMOKE ROCKS!”

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    That makes JTaylor Ashy Larry I’m pretty sure

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Washington Post has a new story on the pending lockout with some more info on the state of the financial affairs of owners. I would link, but then it would take forever to go through. You can find it on Hoops Hype.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    The best way to link is just to post it as your website and thus the Blue name becomes the link. Word.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Allen I’m on the road for work, that article basically says Sarver and a few other “newer” owners are pushing for a lockout with San Antonio being used as the example for why the current system doesn’t work right? – does it talk about how teams in small markets are still spending huge contracts for seeminlgy no reason? (Memphis signed Randolph Gay and Conley for above market value this season)

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, nah more like Mac from predator.
    Nbk, I’m Leonard Washington from a little town called none of your goddamn business.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Mac was the truth in Predator!
    Bill Duke will still pump fear in a dude’s heart at age 70.
    Loved him in Menace II Society also.
    “Now…you know you done f*cked up, right?”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Yeah, it mentions briefly that players feel like owners are being irresponsible, and not totally honest about their finances.
    For some reason, the reporter used the “average” salary of players, which I hate. Whenever you have a group of numbers with such large disparities between the top and bottom, you should use the median number. That’s a more accurate determinate of how salaries shake out. I am positive the median salary figure in the NBA is not $5 million.
    Furthermore, I can’t believe the NBA has higher numbers than baseball. They must be counting minor league players, because otherwise those baseball cats get PAID.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yeah they definitely figure in minor league guys. I got a friend who I played Little League and HS Baseball with who played 2 years of minor league (1 year Single A Rookie, 1 year Single-A-II) ball. He got a 75,000 signing bonus for his initial contract, then made roughly 15K a year for the next 2. So that kills the average salary of a “professional” baseball player.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    JTaylor your closer to one of the Winslows then anyone named Leonard Washington.

  • T-Money

    What’s the line up for the 2012 games? I say CP3, Kobe (out of respect), Bron, KD, Dwight. Rose, D-Wade, Melo, Bosh off the bench (STAT would be high maintenance and Bosh was there in 08). You round it up with maybe D-Will, Blake and Joe Johnson. Or may you go Steph Curry, KLove and Blake because they won’t be mad that they’re not playing. Thoughts?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Out of respect?
    Kobe will probably still be the first or second best two guard in the league. I think he makes it because he’s a horse.
    What about Rudy Gay? Dude was BALLING this year and in the Olympics.
    And Westbrook might get Joe Johnson’s spot.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    It’s hard to say, if Colangelo is really about being committed year after year then it will be Durant, Rose as the alpha and assistant alpha. I don’t know if they are gonna have LBJ, CP3 and company back again, atleast I heard they weren’t since they didn’t participate last summer.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I think Eric Gordon inevitably will or already has, taken Joe Johnson’s spot on team USA.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Would you take Gordon over Westbrook?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If I have Derrick Rose yes. Especially with the international rules and the putt putt of a 3pt line.

  • T-Money

    Allenp: out of respect in the starting 5 not on the team, i think dwyane is a more productive shooting guard at this stage. NBK: colangelo already backed down from that rule when he realized that none of the ’08 guys wanted to go to Turkey. / Yeah, good call on Eric Gordon over Joe Johnson. Allen, there’s no need for Westbrook if CP3, Rose and D-Will are already on the team.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I think Colangelo keeping Westbrook Rose and Gordon just to be clear. My question is what happens with LeBron/Wade/Kobe. Also, Stephen Curry and John Wall. Man team USA is guard/wing stacked

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Personally, I think Gordon was great for them last summer.
    I honestly thought he was the second best offensive player on that team after KD.
    You need Westbrook’s D at the 1 though.
    It probably won’t happen, and I can’t believe I’m gonna say this, but for Team USA and Team USA ONLY, I’d take Westbrook and Gordon over Rose if I could only pick two out of the three.
    Rose just didn’t seem to stick out that much on that team for me.
    I’ve noticed that whenever he plays with other talented stars, he seems to defer to them.
    Like both his ASG appearances, he was content to let everyone else do their thing.
    Just my opinion, though.
    And who knows, maybe him having an MVP on his resume would make him declare “this is mine and KD’s team” and he might take a more assertive approach this next go round.
    On the flip side, he obviously benefitted from being on the team, as most everyone else did.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    I love the fact that Cp3 is doing his thing but I think people are straight overreacting. How many point guards have killed the lakers. the lakers make aron brooks and westbrook look like top three players in the league.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Matic, Rose’s jumper last summer isn’t what it is today, that international 3pt line for Rose is a end of the clock 2 pointer right now. I think he is goin to be a completely different international player this time around, like Wade was from the first time he ran with the squad to the second when he looked like MJ reincarnate.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    T – He did? I never heard about that, but man I hope your right. Rose, Wade/Bryant, Durant, James, Howard. oooohh I just gave myself goosebumps, mufasa. lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Slick Ric I don’t know if you checked, but what CP did last night has only been done 2 times in NBA history. And the other guy that did it was a 6’5″ 250LB PG named Oscar Robertson. AllBall picked one h*ll of a day to miss

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    yeah I know nbk, but the lakers defense as far as guarding point guards Sucks, but I still give cp3 a little credit though, he doing his thang.

  • T-Money

    nbk: I think CP3 is a much better option to run a team of superstars. He’s a superior passer.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Slick Ric is one of the many blind Bulls fans on this site, so take from his comments what you will. Exceptions go to Diesel, Airs, of course Enigmatic.
    nbk, thanks for the shout out. I’ve been around, but I knew if I commented I could not resist the hyperbole. I’m glad you pointed that out though (only done by one person before). I liked game 1 better personally, know one has ever put those numbers up in a road play-off game.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I liked yesterday, he led that game in everything. Pts, Rbs, Assists, STeals, he shot a great %. He was absolutely terrific. I can’t blame you for liking game 1 though. Also Carl Landry might be a better overall basketball player then David West. He surely defends and rebounds better.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Slick Ric’s a Bulls fan?
    I ain’t never seen him in one of our “Bulls Fans of SLAM” meetings.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    T – I think so to. But I am convinced the NBA and the powers that be are trying to annoint Derrick Rose as the next big thing. And CP’s knee and all the effort he has to give to the NBA will IMO keep him out of the olympics.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Ha ha, to be a fly on the wall during those meetings…..
    Carl Landry is actually a bad defensive rebounder, statistically and on film. He is a very good offensive rebounder. Personally, I don’t know who is better.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I must say for the week or so I’ve been following the full cast of slam-mers on twitter has been the most laugh filled week in my twitter career.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I know, right?
    Wish I had access to Twitter during working hours.
    And I was drunk when I tweeted about my “Life and Times of an Alaskan” saga last night, BTW.
    Don’t judge me!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    SO is David West lol actually let me rephrase that, David West is a putrid rebounder, on both sides of the ball. Landry measures out as slightly better both offensively and defensively as a rebounder. West is clearly a better offensive player though, the gap is pretty pronounced. – I guess its a full out opinion thing where no player is really better. But ESPN has been mentioning David West being out at every turn, “LA and NO are tied at 2, think about what it would be like if David West was playing!” – I heard that from Stuart Scott yesterday. Heard something like “with David West New Orleans would be up 3-1 and primed to take the series” on my lunch break today. lol, i was like fa real espn? he’s that good – or is he paying you?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    hahaha I thought tat sh*t was funny. I used twitter to brag sometimes lol so if i judged you i would have to judge myself. which I am opposed to doing via twitter.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Russ, Ryan and Myles making jokes about that D’Antoni quote regarding Rondo playing in Minny had me rolling yesterday.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Lol yeahthose fools were goin in

  • BostonBaller

    WZUP fam, Kobe is NOT a choke artist and Wade should have the ball in his hands with the clock winding down to decide where it does (in my opinion) The C’s are playing ok but not chip worthy just yet, the rest will help us. It only takes one monster win to change the opinions of most fans…that’s why they play a series to advance and not just one and done. EBOY ,Philosopher et al peace and enjoy the games tonight.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Shout out @BostonBaller.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    If the Hawks’ offense this year is the Gucci Mane offense, what was it last year? Soulja Boy? Vanilla Ice? Eli Porter?

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Ron Artest

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    NBk: FYI, the FIBA 3pt line was moved back at the start of the ’10-11 season. It’s now at a smidgen more than 22 feet distance. (oddly enough i luv it, now make 2-3 a game from there)
    The paint now also resembles the Nba’s version, rectangular etc.

  • http://www.slamonline.com melvin ely

    OMG Eli Porter, I can’t help but smile everytime I hear that dude’s name. I dont wanna be mean, but seeing him for the first time is probably the hardest I’ve ever laughed in fron of a computer. “I’m the best mayne; I deed it.” LOL

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Oh Fa real dark? That’s what’s up I didn’t know that they moved it back, I knew about the change of the key. I found you twitter right? I’m 98% positive I am just checkin

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Alball I aint hating, real talk Cp3 is one of my favorites but he facing the lakers and they have notoriously struggle against quick and talented point guards.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Memo to EDunce: The FACT is, I’m a fan of the NBA first and foremost, and now that the Knicks are out of the 2011 Playoffs (due to injuries to 2 of their Big Apple 3) I’ll be pulling for the C’s to get a CHIP in what could be their last true shot at getting one. In the end, if “my team” is going to get eliminated in the real season, I’d rather the Knicks lose to the eventual champs. Not to digress, but losing to the eventual conference/nba champs in the first round is something Melo has had happen to him in the Western Conference on more than one occasion. You know, when 50 wins in the Western Conference was only good enough for a lower seed without homecourt. Don’t let the facts get in your way though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    LMAO @ this douche^

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Uh oh, I’m so “upset” because some EDunce called me a douche!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Doucheboy….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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