Monday, May 23rd, 2011 at 6:30 pm  |  44 responses

Joakim Noah Fined $50K for Use of Anti-Gay Slur

Kobe was fined for twice the amount Noah will have to fork over because he verbally-abused a ref, which according to the NBA, is half as bad as verbally abusing a fan. Glad we got that cleared up. From the Daily Herald: “After Bulls center Joakim Noah spoke to the league office on Monday morning regarding his derogatory remarks to a fan, he said he expected a stiff penalty for his outburst. He got it a few hours later: $50,000. He was not suspended, however, and will play in Game 4 at Miami on Tuesday. In the first half of Sunday’s Game 3 loss at Miami, television cameras were on Noah as he returned to the Bulls bench and appeared to use a derogatory term when speaking to fan. ‘Spoke to them (NBA officials) earlier this morning,’ Noah said at the team hotel. ‘Like I said before, very disappointing. I got caught up. After picking up a second foul yesterday, I was frustrated. A fan said something that was disrespectful toward me and I went back at him. They got it on camera.’ Lakers star Kobe Bryant was fined $100,000 for allegedly using the same anti-gay last month in the regular season. Bryant’s comment was directed toward a referee.”

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  • Jono

    The league is making it worse by putting stuff like this under the spotlight constantly. If the league ignored what Kobe and Noah said, which I bet only a very small percentage of people who watched the game noticed, it will be forgotten. If someone is so old and homophobic, it’s almost a lost cause. We can start by teaching children and teachers/parents will share this responsibility. For Sterny to keep making a fuss of this is a step forward and 2 back. That ad with Grant Hill is the worst.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I’m torn about this.
    This sends a wrong message to NBA fans.
    Yes, refs are to be respected, but so are fans.
    At the same time, the ref was just doing his job, while the fan assumingly provoked a strong response from Noah.
    Factor in Noah’s anger and frustration, and this is the result.
    Just like Kobe was angry and frustrated.
    I don’t believe either one of them have any personal vendetta to gay people. Unfortunately though, you know, so many people equate that word with being a sissy or whatever.
    Me, personally, I don’t use the word, but when I’m ticked off at someone I usually end up saying the “b” word, which could be taken as being derogatory to women, so I guess I’m no better.

  • shuref00t

    Fan = $50k. Referee = $100k. What’s the price for calling David Stern a f_ggot? Death?

  • http://slamonline.com Chris O’Leary

    Make check payable to Steve Nash.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    KG must have a picture of David Stern at the Lap Dance Tuesday strip club. No way he’s eluded the long arm of Stern this long…

  • EtheKnickFan

    Has anyone confirmed that the fan wasn’t a f@g? I mean then Noah wasnt insulting right? Ask the fan what was the Heats original starting 5 and the bandie will probably buckle. “wait lemme get my i-thingie”

  • EtheKnickFan

    The meek have inherited the earth! Errr I mean the M-words. Has anyone ever seen Davy Sterns wife? Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmmm.

  • fruizm

    oh man….david stern should attend a soccer game here in Mexico…or anywhere in the world, but especially Mexico and South America…the things that are said between players, fans, and the refs…im not sure that “obscene” is the right word to describe what they say to each other!

  • Sam J

    EtheKnicksFan, it’s a derogatory term you imbecile, it’s always insulting. It’d be like a player calling a black fan a n*gger.

  • haha 4-0 lakers out!

    Sam J, it would be like a player calling a black fan a n*gger if indeed the fan the Noah was talking to was a homosexual.

  • haha 4-0 lakers out!

    also noah would have to know that he was a homosexual. Sam J, you are just ignorant as people trying to stop racial slurs with obscene fines.

  • haha 4-0 lakers out!

    trying not to be racist or homophobic is more insulting than someone using schoolyard slang indirectly to a random person.

  • http://slamonline AJ

    Why cant Noah just put the fan on blast and tell us what the fan said to him?

    But anyway, this whole using the word “gay” thing to mean not homosexual is an issue that’s way above the NBA.

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    haha 4-0: So you’re alright with a white player calling a white fan the n-word? Alright then.
    I hope JJ Reddick starts calling Steve Nash that, I expect limited outrage.

  • Sam J

    @haha, you missed my point. Someone said if it the fan did turn out to be gay, then Noah wouldn’t have doen anything wrong. My point was that it’s a derogatory term regardless if the person is gay or not, just as it would be derogatory to call someone a n*gger regardless of their skin tone. And what is ignorant about a corporation such as the NBA trying to stamp out bigotry, be it racism or homophobia or whatever it may be? And your point that ‘trying not to be racist or homophobic is more insulting than someone using schoolyard slang indirectly to a random person’ is staggeringly ignorant. Who would be insulted by someone trying to NOT act racist or homophobic?

  • angus

    wait….doesn’t gay originally mean happy? watch ‘i love lucy’ , a tv show from the 50′s, you will hear the word ”gay” several times and its used to describe something joyful and pleasant not a sexual preference. If some one is upset and thinks using the word gay is disgraceful then you are way overly sensitive (and probably like men).

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    Angus: That’s an interesting and different, if not a tad faulted, argument… which I’d love to debate if Noah had said “gay” which he didn’t. He said a word that started with f.
    In summation, read the damn article you f*cking dolt.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    It’s also five times worse than grabbing a guy’s balls and trying to pull them off.

  • http://www.acb.com A l a n

    something is not offensive unless someone who hears it feels offended. as it seems, NBA always feels offended for everything. it’s pathetic IMHO

  • http://slamonline.com Yknot

    Solution make NBA players wear helmets, then you can’t read their lips. I’m sure no NFL player ever says anything like this. Sure it’s offensive but it takes a long time to change societal norms. I’m sure when the color barrier was broken in pro sports things didn’t change overnight, and there were no $100,000 fines given for calling Earl LLoyd or Sweetwater Clifton derogatory names they had to suck it up and keep playing.

  • kevin

    Jono is an idiot. So if only a small percentage of people notice its ok? If i kill someone, and only a small percentage of people care, should it just be swept under the rug?

    It’s a good thing that the NBA is enforcing these policies and standing up for what is right. Though, i do think the fan should be barred from attending NBA games if they were derogatory towards Noah.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 DFrance21

    F@g and n*gger are totally not the same thimng and I’m tired of people equating the two. There are hundreds of years of hurt and oppresion behind the word n*gger. The same cannot be said for the word f@ggot. I have a couple of gay friends and they are not offended by that term being used as an insult between two heterosexual people. I truly believe this is the case with a lot of homosexual people. Its these coalitions that jump to show their outrage on behalf of an entire group of people. Was listening to Scott Van Pelts show yesterday and he’s the only personality I’ve heard be honest about the whole thing. He said he’s not gay so he’s not offended by the word and if he was he still may not be offended because he know when people say it 9 times out of 10 they don’t mean it in the literal sense. Now saying that in no way means that you think its ok for the word to be used, but don’t act like you’re outraged by it. Let’s just be honest, a lot of you saying how wrong it is didn’t give a crap about the word until the whole Kobe thing got plastered all over the TV. At the end of the day I think the solution is simple. Keep the camera’s out of these guys mouths and focus on the on court action.

  • Man Up

    Noah, shouldn’t have said, whatever he said!!
    However, the NBA is absolutely ridiculous. The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation has it’s clamps all over the NBA and now this incident is a bigger news item than ever. What’s more ridiculous to me is people using the term “homophobe” to label someone who uses a term “some” consider derogatory. Or, even worse, using the label homophobe on those who oppose homosexuality outright!! We still do have the freedom to think critically, don’t we? Isn’t the term homophobe, derogatory? Way to go NBA!!! I guess a Public Service Announcement, denouncing the use of derogatory words, is soon to follow. How disingenuous!!

  • robb

    “I have a couple of gay friends and they are not offended by that term being used as an insult between two heterosexual people” I was going to say the same thing. One of my friends is gay and he said that for him f@ggot was a synonym of cowardice/lack of courage, so when someone calls a man f@ggot it has more to do with being gutless than being homosexual, so he isn’t offended by the word because it has nothing to do with sexual preferences.

  • http://nba.com reflex

    DFrance21, I’m gonna have to pick you up on that one. Ignorance is ignorance, be it f@ggot, nigg@ or otherwise, one holds no greater weight than the other. People have been killed and discriminated against, past & present, for being black, gay, muslim, female, foreign etc in various circumstances. Let’s just all try & do better.

  • http://twitter.com/BeezKneezy LA Huey

    If you saw a non-Hispanic parent tell their child to “stop acting like a Mexican”, as opposed to “stop acting like a sp**”, is that okay? I’m glad the NBA is at least telling its employees that they won’t tolerate any overt bigotry.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ DFrance: So gays haven’t been persecuted? Are you serious? Also, not all black people take offense to the N word, so does that give me the excuse to use it as an insult even when I’m not referring to black people? Stop making excuses. Various groups would appreciate people not using slurs that refer to them when insulting people, so just don’t do it. How is that at all difficult to understand?

  • Jer Boi

    in this case start to fine people who say the word b**ch. it’s derogatory towards females.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 DFrance21

    @Teddy I’m talking the origin of the word. I didn’t say gays haven’t been prosecuted, abused and the like, but where did the word f@ggot originate? Can you tell me without doing a google search? The word n*gger has a very specific origin and history behind it and thats where I’m making the distinction between the two. I stand by that and if you don’t agree than I can respect that. I never said it was ok to use the word, not making excuses for Noah or Kobe. My problem is with all the people that are all of a sudden outraged and offended by it. My problem is that you’re fining someone because a camera picked them up saying it on TV but if you were sitting there courtside and heard it you wouldn’t have cared. All the foul language that goes on on the basketball court and all the games Stern has attended and he’s NEVER heard an offensive word? I saw Kevin Durant call a ref a b*tch a$$ n*gga clear as day on national TV and he didn’t get fined. So why all of a sudden is f@ggot the hot button word?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ^ Ah, thanks for clarifying. You do raise a good point about double standards.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    However, I have to disagree with you that f** isn’t on par with the N word. It’s still used as a derogatory slur no matter how you spin it.
    Personally, I don’t know how the slur for Jews originated either. Doesn’t mean that k*** and f** and n***** aren’t in the same ball park though.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    And the fact that so many people still don’t see f** as being offensive and use it so liberally is a huge problem. Most people know that when they’re dealing with the N word, especially as an insult, they’re going to offend black people–and usually it makes them self-conscious. A LOT of people just don’t care when it comes to gays.
    And I’m not comparing the two groups because we aren’t debating who was treated worse; that’s irrelevant to this topic, imo.

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    No Teddy, don’t you see? DFrance21 has a “few” gay friends who are okay with the f-word. So EVERY gay person in the world must be ok with its usage, cause, you know, he has two gay friends that are okay with it.

  • vtrobot

    @ Jukes: I applaud your effort, but I’m not sure it’s worth yr time. Some people enjoy being ignorant.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 DFrance21

    At least Teddy gave me an intelligent response instead of trying to win cool points with some sarcastic humor. My point is not that every gay person should be ok with the word because I have a few gay friends, my point is to find out where is the outrage coming from? Is Stern fining people because gay people are offended? Or is he doing it because he’s afraid of the backlash from groups like GLAD, who in my opinion are no better than people like Al Sharpton, they just champion causes for publicity. Again, when Kobe called the ref a f@g, was it the first time its been said on the court? Why is it grounds for fining a player? Did any of us care before it was plastered on TV?

  • Stylez G.Write

    Apparently,he should have used a pro-gay slur…..

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ DFrance: I don’t think it really matters *why* Stern fined Kobe and Noah–ie. what other ulterior motives were at play–other than they were wrong, they were caught doing it, and they should be punished.
    I don’t think, in the heat of the moment, that what they said was the end of the world, but I also don’t see how anyone can justify what they did or make the argument that they shouldn’t have been punished.
    And obviously if the fans/Stern never saw the players doing it, we wouldn’t be outraged because we wouldn’t know that it happened… That they WERE caught does matter. Stern is a smart businessman, but it doesn’t take much business acumen to know that when the players you are marketing are shouting out homophobic slurs on camera, it’s probably best to appease the people offended by it.
    I also don’t get why anyone would have a problem with groups like GLAAD. Every minority deserves an organization that represents its interests. Maybe those interests aren’t directly your own, but there’s no reason they shouldn’t be doing what they’re doing.
    Why wouldn’t they be looking for publicity? The liberal use of f** in everyday speech seems to stem from a general ignorance that greater publicity might be able to alleviate.

  • http://slamonline.com Waylonakolipse

    $50,000…Would it have been OK if Noah called him an Asshole instead?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ^ Not okay, but it would be a lot better and less controversial because I don’t think @ssholes are a minority in the United States. More like the majority.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Just kidding with that last sentence.

  • Ronald

    I’m actually surpised Teddy is humoring DFrance21 with proper arguments. You mention the history of the word as the brunt of your argument when both words have harmless beginnings. (One coming from the latin word black and the other from facism) when that absolutely has no bearing on the other. The fact that you used your personal experience as a generalization and census on homosexual opinion and the fact you are putting one discriminatory word over an other just seems narcissitic at best.

  • Ronald

    And before you complain about commentators jumping at your for having an opinion, you should really read what you wrote originally.

  • Mike From Spain

    Anti-gay slur? But Noah wasn’t playing against the Grizzlies, was he? **lame joke**

  • bike

    Was the fine because he used an anti-gay slur or because he reacted to a fan comment? Or both? Would the fine/punishment be any different if Noah had used some other term? Like d#$khe*d? BTW some of the comments on this thread are insane. I’m sure that Noah really put a lot of thought into what term he was going to hurl back at the fan.