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Thursday, May 26th, 2011 at 9:00 am  |  144 responses

Kobe Bryant on Mike Brown Hiring: No Comment


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

Laker Nation is still wrapping its collective head around the idea of Mike Brown as the new man in charge. And apparently, so is Kobe Bryant.

The “Black Mamba” hasn’t made any public statements regarding the matter, but according to published reports, he did not see this coming.

There are concerns about the fact that Bryant wasn’t consulted at all before Brown was hired — Kobe’s preferred choice was current assistant coach Brian Shaw — and though Mike Brown claimed last night that he and the Laker superstar exchanged text messages, Bryant’s silence is telling.

From the LA Times:

Apparently the Buss family followed through on its declaration not to “consult the players on these matters,” as Jerry Buss said in a Tuesday radio interview about the hiring of a new coach. The Lakers and former Cleveland Cavaliers coach Mike Brown agreed to a deal Wednesday. People familiar with Kobe Bryant’s thinking said that the All-Star guard was confused by the decision. When reached Wednesday by The Times about the Brown hire, Bryant had no comment. Bryant said earlier this month that he would be comfortable with Assistant Coach Brian Shaw getting the job because of Shaw’s overall knowledge of the franchise, the triangle offense and, of course, the players.

“I’m here to continue to try to help this organization carve a championship path that’s already been laid,” Brown said Wednesday on ESPN during halftime of the Dallas Mavericks-Oklahoma City Thunder game. “I know I’m not going to fill [Jackson's] shoes…But I am excited to help carve my own path with this team going forward,” Brown said.

Mike Brown reportedly impressed Jim Buss, the Lakers’ owner’s son who increasingly makes the important decisions for the franchise, by selling him on his ability to coach defense and deal with superstars (see: James, LeBron).

The Mike Brown/Kobe Bryant relationship will be the biggest factor in making this new direction for the Lakers a success. Sooner or later, Kobe will have no choice but to extend an olive branch, and try to make it work.

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  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    *using Stewie Griffing voice*
    “now is the summer of your discontent….”.
    Enjoy it, Kob’s.

  • http://nba.com EJ

    Kobe is probably really pissed off right now. If only he was still 27…

  • bull22

    kobe, give coach brown a break man, be happy for the fact that an african-american coach is being given the chance to coach this team, i have been watching basketball for 26 years and i dont remember another african-american coach leading this team..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Angel of Stern

    im kinda torn about this.. Im happy cause it pissed kobe off, but I root for Mike Brown, he seems like a good guy, kinda makes me hate the lakers a little bit less…

  • pnightmare

    @bull22 – see Magic, Johnson

  • Riggs

    race has nothing to do with this. Also first black coach to get fired after a week into the season.

  • http://nba.com EJ

    What’s the big deal about his race? Bill Russell was a coach in the 70s or something. I think you should actually be more concerned on how good the coach is instead of his race.

  • barnabusb

    Or you should be more concerned on how much your coach looks like the Grimmace.

  • BYEBYE

    @Riggs u a fool for that

  • dsleepy

    this will not end well

  • AT33

    Who cares if they asked Kobe or not, in this economy he should be happy he’s got a job! Kobe’s washed up anyway, I would trade him and get some young talent so long he’s still valuable.

  • vtrobot

    “We exchanged textes.” – Coach Brown

  • Eddie1

    “A coach Brown team is a family team.” It’s like he’s advertising a family restaurant

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    why can i see all of mike brown’s teeth when he talks.

  • David Moore

    I think it’s gonna work in Kobe’s favor. Kobe has ALWAYS fought the triangle offense. Coach Brown has a system that’s gonna let Kobe operate the way LeBron operated in Cleveland. The Black Mamba will be let loose! :-D

  • http://firespo.com I AM KING

    He don’t know how to coach superstars…superstars know how to coach him(remember the cavs practice footage of the team shooting halfcourt shots?)

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Kobe should be a leader and publicly welcome his coach with open arms even if it’s not what he really thinks. But this is the first time I’ve ever disagreed with something Kobe’s done, so..

  • T-Money

    AT33: When there is less than 5 people in the world better than you at your job, you’re not lucky you have a job. Regardless of what that job is.

  • Jamal

    Mike brown will overwork kobe and run this team into the ground, just like he did with lebron & co. Why did the Buss Boy hire a coach that will never take them past the second round or conference finals? they could have done the same thing with no one on the bench, which is exactly what phil jackson was this year. ive never seen a coach who has been so checked out of a game in my life!

  • http://yahoo.com Dre81

    I swear some of ya’ll dont know s**t about basketball.
    Kobe aint done here’s an example of who’s done
    TRACY MCGRADY
    VINCE CARTER
    GILBERT ARENAS
    RICHARD HAMILTON

    I really fail to understand How much you hate kobe but yet Read every got d**n story about him

  • rich

    Thank you for the sensible comment t-money. i dont know how you can say kobe is washed up when he just finished scoring 25 a night in less minutes than most stars, while sharing the ball with a better supporting cast than most stars. i hate how people take guys like tim kobe and other late 90 and 00′s stars for granted

  • http://slamonline.com Saviour

    bull22 – get over the fact his african american black person – who cares! it wouldn’t matter if he’s a jew, if he’s a good coach, he should get the job.
    P.s i’m not saying he should get the lakers, but i wouldn’t be surprised if he did get a good job.

  • Benn0

    ^ by the way that was actually me writing that comment, not saviour, it just decided to come up with his name and email address in the boxes.
    Sorry SAVIOUR :}

  • tomtom

    Moose, that’s your definition of a leader?? lol

  • Eddie1

    Kobe quit wit tha beef//
    Mike Brown got spinache in his teeth//
    Openin tha grill//
    Kobe pop another pill//
    For real, I keep it trill//
    Brown on a roll, just finalized the deal//
    Now he makin money for the buss//
    Shoulder wipe, no more dust//
    No triangle office, no more fuss//
    Just watch the man do his thang come August//

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    The only people he’s had good things to say about are Phil and DFish. Kobe’s never been a great team leader, he’s the guy who’ll criticize you during the game, during practice, and during interviews, which isn’t all bad – it’s just not a great confidence builder.

  • G Diesel

    I think Kobe is about to become a cancer.
    Ship his ass out!!!

  • schwilson93

    kobe for andre iguodala, straight up. who says no? iggy fits browns defensive strategy, and the lakers can run the offense through gasol. they trade bynum and pieces for dhoward during the season. all of a sudden, the lakers have a young nucleus of gasol, howard, and iguodala. meanwhile, sixers bring kobe back to philly and get a scoring 2guard who has a year or two left. kobe gets to play with a playoff team in the east and immediately makes them a 4 seed

  • ThaWindy

    Race doesnt matter in a persons ability to coach a team but its great to see black Americans as head coachs after having so many years with so few.

  • bull22

    @saviour, thanks i could not even remember that… second one in 26 years..

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    LOL @ “African-American black person”. As opposed to a “Caucasian-American black person”? Srry, was too funny to ignore.

  • Benn0

    I wish we still had the slave trade – cuz i could do with a good foot massage right now. anyone?
    LOL

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    oh HELL no…

  • Rachel

    “Mike Brown reportedly impressed Jim Buss, by selling him on his ability to deal with superstars….”
    Seems to me the most obvious first move to deal well with a superstar is to talk to him about being hired as the new coach before the deal is finalized!

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Awww, somebody’s mad a bunch of black guys ran a train on his mommy and girlfriend. Don’t worry, I’m sure both of those ugly hoes paid them to do it. Only you would sleep with them for free.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    REALLY??

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe Bryant should be the offensive coach. This was a horrid hiring. I would have commented and said “I want to be traded”

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Besides Shaw can anyone actually name available coaches that would be dramatically better for this team? And why should the Lakers consult Kobe about whom they’d like to hire? Correct me if I’m wrong but Kobe’s not the one signing checks in LakerLand. Superstar or not it’s pretty arrogant of him to assume he should have a say in the decisions of management.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe should have a say in the higher, maybe not an effective say, but his opinion should be heard before a decision is made. Simply because Bryant holds the key to the Lakers team chemistry and ultimately winning, and even though he’s 31, will likely outlast whoever does get hired. Should his opinion make a difference? that to me is the real question. And I think Rick Adelman would have surely been a better option, especially with Pau Gasol and what Adelman can do for him offensively.

  • Benn0

    ZOOM – i guess your not white. and tbh i live in england, so kunta kinte didn’t get near my family.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Ol’ Kobe…

  • robb

    Someone wrote today: “Jim Buss is the insecure and largely incapable son of an iconic owner”. He’s right. This man’s gonna try to show everyone he’s not the stupid guy everyone thinks he is by doing stupid things. This was the first one. He disrespected Shaw, Bryant and the fans with a single move. Bravo.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Wow at the racial comments on here. Post racial my a(ss.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The title of Kobe’s next documentary?: “Kobe: Getting Worked”

  • Overtime

    Get Jim Buss the hell away from this franchise

  • http://nba.com EJ

    I don’t know why people criticize Kobe for being hard on his teammates, when MJ gets praise for that. If you’re in the NBA you should be able to take criticism from your teammates and everybody. I don’t even how can you get to that level if you aren’t able to do that.

  • Eddie1

    Jimmy Buss pretty much Fredo in Godfather II.

  • http://www.tampax.com doyouwantmore

    bull22 up there thinks that we should celebrate Coach Brown’s color of his skin, not his abilities, skills, or the content of his character. Guess what? Racism is alive and well, but its not coming from where you think.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I like the hiring. Tired of seeing the same guys just rotating jobs. I’m pretty sure the lakers know more about being successful and who to hire than any of you all. Also, the head coach of Real Madrid is suppose to become the new assistant and will likely be in charge of the offense.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    We should rejoice that there is another black coach in the nba. If you don’t understand why It clearly means you are just ignorant of the history of blacks especially running top organizations. Don’t try to understand us if you are not one of us.

  • http://countdownnba.blogspot.com/ Clay

    Kap, if you’re “Tired of seeing the same guys just rotating jobs,” wouldn’t you rather have Shaw?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Clay…It was time to get rid of the triangle. That’s why I never wanted Shaw as head coach.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kap the Lakers didn’t hire Mike Brown. Jim Buss did. And that guy never played a lick of basketball in his life. Assuming (because that’s what your doing) he know’s how to recognize a good coach for his personnel is all your going. (The last time Jim Buss was trusted to make a coaching hire he hired Rudy Tomjonovich, and they didn’t make the playoffs. Here is some more info on why I think Jim Buss’ decision making is horrid, not questionable, but horrid. “Phil Jackson was asked if he has a stronger sense of attachment with the Lakers front office (other then Jeanie Buss), then he did with the Bulls:

    “There are people in the organization that I have an attachment to. But, I haven’t spoken to Jimmy Buss this year. Jerry, I see occasionally and we confer, Mitch and I have our chances to be together, and have a good relationship. Those are people in that department that I have a relationship. But, as far as management, if you want to call it, there’s really not a relationship in that aspect of that.””

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Damn Kap, I thought you were white….

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    That was from Phil Jackson’s exit interview with the media, a little over a week ago.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Nope. Born in Jackson, Ms. Now in med school. Have put up with alot of stuff so I hate when people act like racism is dead.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    We don’t need to celebrate anything about race anymore. We have a black president, we have had many black coach’s. The only thing that celebrating race does now is put an emphasis on the exact thing we are trying to ignore. Race

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…to be fair the lakers had a winning record until Rudy stepped down and Kobe and Lamar got hurt.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Totally forgot about Rudy stepping down, who ended up taking over for him, Kurt Rambis?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    We as black people have the right and should celebrate every accomplishment of a fellow brother/sister that we can and head coach of the Lakers is a huge accomplishment.There is nothing wrong with that at all.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Frank Hamblem. It was awful and hard to watch especially having Chucky Atkins run the point.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t mean we are trying to ignore race, that sounds wrong to me. I mean we are trying to get over defining people by their race. Mike Brown is a basketball coach, the color of his skin is and should be irrelevant (in a perfect world i guess)

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    vtrobot correction “we exchanged texas”

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…I agree with you. I was referring to a comment earlier by someone else that they clearly would not make in reality to a black person.

  • BYEBYE

    I am right browns practices were spirited like the time brown told the cavs who made a half court shot first in practice didn’t have to practice or the time when Labron was shooting full court shots cause they said he couldn’t do it
    Or remember when mo an bron had their epic sitting on the floor three point drills an oh yeah what about when bron an the team were shooting from the seats on the sidelines
    Mike brown and I don’t want to sound bad by saying this
    He is the dumbest coach I ever seen when it came to x s and o s
    He literally let Labron do what the hell he wanted to do and it hurt how can u say ur good with star players when u can’t tell them anything they would listen to
    In clev i swear he would just stand there an he wouldn’t move all we could see is that ..it eating grin of his like what to do what am I gonna do like the coach from the water boy

  • Cizzo

    Personally, i don’t think he can coach at a championship lvel.. he’s problby good at Barbeques and gams of dominoes..maybe horse shoes? But idon’tthink he was the “Man” for the Laker’s Job.. my opinion… @ Kap if they want to hire a black coach i think Brian Shaw would of fit in with no kind of infractions….. i really think he deserved a try? My opioin again….

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I said earlier I didn’t agree with hiring Shaw bc I thought it was time to get rid of the triangle. I also think Brown was in a tough spot in Cleveland bc the ownership let Bron do what he wanted. I also never said they should hire a coach just bc of their skin color. I just said it was a great accomplishment. But hopefully he gets that coach from Real Madrid on his coaching staff bc I read he’s good at developing players and big men.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Wasn’t the coach from waterboy like some kind of offensive genius when it came to drawing up plays?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Frank Hamblem? wow that season was a disaster. 80% of all basketball decisions made in LA since 2004 have been made by Jim Buss according to Jerry Buss. So I guess he’s done a pretty damn good job, although there are quite a few things I would have done differently.

  • byebye

    brown is good too at developing a good half court shot hoping labron would save his butt when he didnt have a clue. brown i dont know kob gon have a fit in practice if he ever went to practice with the team anyway kob is gonna be taking over the offense and going 05-08 kob or atleast he will try

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9B412oN9MA EJ

    I kinda get what Kap is saying, cause I was happy to hear that the Lakers’ physiotherapist is Finnish like me.

  • byebye

    yeah after he started imagining the other coach was a baby or dog

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @nbk…I definitely would of traded for Melo and kept Farmar and Ariza but one can only dream now..

  • Benn0

    sorry about my comments. they were very harsh.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah the Ariza thing was the first thing that came to mind. And also refusing to examine any Andrew Bynum trades (unless they do get DHo, then I understand waiting)

  • Eboy

    Kobe Bryant is the worst player of all-time!!!

  • http://WWW.SLAMONLINE.COM Benn0

    BOO

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I like Brown the guy. I also think he’s a better coach than everyone is giving him credit for. Can’t we all agree the Lakers need more help on defense than offense. And i am sure they will get a guru for offense in there also. I’m very optimistic for next season still. I will give anyone a chance for the most part. Yeah Benn0 that heals all wounds ya dork.

  • SikhWitIt

    What is Jim Buss’ basketball background for him to be impressed with Coach Brown’s “defense” and “ability to handle superstars”? Lakers just made a huge mistake; Brian Shaw was the only perfect fit for this job and this is a slap in the face to him and to the veterans on this roster.

  • JTaylor21

    Sheeeeeeit, f*ck celebrating what a black man accomplishes. If that black man sucks at what he does, what is there to celebrate about?
    It doesn’t matter black, white, green or orange, if that person is good at what he does, celebrate that not the individual’s race.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    I would look into acquiring Cleveland’s #4 pick and maybe Varejao for Odom/Brown

  • michael Hale

    holy crap, i just saw the picture of our new head coach….
    its freakin’ AL ROKER from the today show !!!
    we’re sunk

  • LadyD

    WOW! The media is looking to start SH!T and create drama when there is none. S what Kobe hasn’t said anything, he is entitled to his opinion just like you and if he endorsed Shaw what’s the big deal? Why don’t you all take a chill pill and let’s see what happens, stop taking what the media says and start blaming Kobe…..If Kobe is not happy, he isn’t the only one.

    Time will reveal all!

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    Brian Shaw was black. He woulda been the perfect choice for Kobe and those who are going to mindlessly support someone just cause of the color of their skin and not their body of work.

  • bike

    The reason Kobe is upset is because Brownie is gay.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Nothing wrong with taking pride in your race and being happy for the accomplishments of an African-American. BUT, that should be based on their body of work.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I remember watching Colin Powell switch from republican to democrat because of Obama’s skin color. Whats the big deal. Who cares what MLK said obout content of character it’s much easier just to base your life off of skin color anyway… hmm….

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Benn0 is the dumbest commenter on SLAMonline, maybe ever. Apparently he’s not only a homophobe, but he’s also a racist. Don’t be offended people, he’s an idiot. And I had a hunch he was some sort of European, maybe Spanish, because of the way he types, but apparently he’s English. A white Englishman and he still types English like a five-year-old.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Not a great comment either, zoom… But I understand why you were p!ssed lol.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Kap: What year of Med School are you in? That’s awesome, man.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9B412oN9MA EJ

    Kap, I just gotta ask that do you feel ashamed or somehow bad when a black man fails at something?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I didn’t see that Benn0 apologized… maybe I was a little harsh too. Still really tasteless things to say though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    It’s 2011, we have a black president and we’re still calling the Heat’s starting small forward “Labron.” This is soooo 2003!

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    Wonder what he thinks about the pending exit of Shannon Brown from L.A. http://clicky.me/5KzO

  • IvoL

    i still think the lakers should hire Rick Adelman not Mike brown, and it’s not because of his race because i’m white, i’m from europe, i’m half portuguese half spanish and my best friend is black but let’s talk about basketball not skin collor.
    Well Adelman have more accomplishments than Brown without a superstar like Lebron he didn’t have healthy players and still managed to have the second best record for winnings in a row he made guys like Brooks, Lowry and Landry excepcional players and in my opininon he is a better teacher than Brown

  • http://www.slamonline.com Waylonakolipse

    That’s what happens when you’re not a top 5 player. 1. Lebron 2. Dirk 3.Durant 4.Wade 5.Howard 6.CP3 7.Rose…..Kobe maybe #9.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/other-ballers/international/2010/03/flight-75-dc-to-moscow/ Mitya

    that’s ok, cause slamonliners have 94

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    First, I could give a fcuk about anyone’s opinions of my comments. Second, I’m tired of people telling Black people what they should and should not be proud of, especially if you’re NOT black. I don’t give a damn about Brown’s race as it concerns his job with the Lakers, but I’ll be damned if I tell another black person that they shouldn’t celebrate a position few others of our ethnicity have held. I love the whole “we have a black president” bs that only IDIOTS bring up in these discussions. The only people who are ignorant enough to bring it up are closet racists. Yes I said it! You are a closet racist if you’ve ever pointed to our HALF black president as evidence of the lie that there is no more anti-black racism. The same president who gets more death threats from citizens of his own country than any other has. The same president shown more disrespect from collegues than any other has been shown. And Lakeshow, try knowing what you’re talking about before you talk. You’re not even an authentic fan, much less a social commentator. Making a statement like that about a former Bush official who was openly disgusted by his own administration shows how ignorant you are. He was supposed to support McCain, whose plans mirrored Bush’s? Stfu and talk about something you actually know about. Some of you fools will be quick with the asinine “I have black friend’s” or “my favorite player is black” lines. Racism has gotten worse since the election, and the internet is the coward’s dream. Internet anonymity is like sex to losers. For many it’s the only sex you have, so enjoy it. You are still an inadequate fairy in the real world, the only one that counts. I’m not part of the kumbaya clique, so if you hate me I hate you right back. Anyone that made more of a comment on Bulls22 1st statement than you did on Benn0′s bs, kill yourself!

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    And for the record Benn0 can take that apology and choke on it. Gtfoh with wack ish.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Waylonakolipse

    Damn son tell ‘em. Obama got too much crap for health reform. Health is the most valuable thing we can have. And he wanted everyone a chance to have it and he’s looked as a bad guy for it? Tea Bag party is a mask for white resentment that they’re losing control. They have a tax platform, bag on Obama, and he’s lowered taxes from the Bush era? That doesn’t make any sense. F**K FOX NEWS.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    My dude, people can agree or disagree with Obama’s political leaning or decisions all they want. I don’t care about that. You can disagree with him an not be a racist. It’s how disrespectful the disagreements are that proves how foolishly wrong the nbk’s and Jtaylor’s of the world are. So used to sitting at their desks staring at basketball stats that they barely notice that the new status quo for being able to call a racist out is the use of specific terms. These lil dudes are so naïve it’s amazing. I don’t care about most Tea Party political ideals. I care about this “coincidental” birther movement. I care about the yahoos at presidential speaking engagements with automatic weapons in full view. These ppl on this site act like all things are equal now, and black ppl can’t be proud of ish or complain about ish. The black experience is no longer “en vogue” according to the geniuses at Slam. Miss me with that, na mean?

  • Josh

    This idiot who says “we will not consult players on this decision” is going to see just how stupid of an idea that really is.

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    I ‘na mean’ completely.
    You’re just wrong.
    I agree with a LOT of what you said while you were on your soapbox (the “WE HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT!!” thing is stupid, the Colin Powell thing is stupid) but it’s dumb to celebrate a black person in a position of power when SAID PERSON IS DOING A BAD JOB. Doc Rivers, Byron Scott, Lionel Hollins, Alvin Gentry, Nate McMillan, these are some of the best coaches in the league! Mike Brown is f*cking HORRID. There’s no reason to be happy about this.
    So the people saying “Well I don’t care if Mike Brown is an awful fit for the Lakers and he’ll be personally hated by the superstar on the team, he’s black and I want him there!” are saying these things for the wrong reasons. Be less happy that a black person is coaching, be more happy that he’s successful. It’s the focus, bro.

  • EtheKnickFan

    soooo is Kobe for Landry Fields straight up askin too much?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign zoom for the most part, but a couple things:
    1. I’m not sure why you directed most of your second comment toward nbk and JTaylor. What they said is how they think things SHOULD be, not how they necessarily are.
    2. What do you mean in regards to “inadequate fairy”?
    3. Also, I didn’t like your initial comment to Benn0 not because you were insulting him, but because it’s kind of counter-intuitive to attack a racist by spewing some misogynistic ish about his mother.
    4. Although there are an insane amount of idiots on the Internet, don’t forget that we’re all still here, commenting–on the internet. I h@te racists just as much as the next person, but that whole “You’re a loser who spends his day on the Internet!” schtick is kind of old. And a little hypocritical, no offense.
    5. Kudos to this: “I don’t give a damn about Brown’s race as it concerns his job with the Lakers, but I’ll be damned if I tell another black person that they shouldn’t celebrate a position few others of our ethnicity have held.”

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Hey it’s Captain Obvious aka Jukai! Of course it’s silly celebrating a bad job, but when last I checked the conversation was about Mike Brown’s coaching the Lakers, which hadn’t started yet. As I said before, I don’t give a damn one way or another in terms of race, but if someone wishes to celebrate the fact the organization just so happened to diversify in it’s choice of head coach than so be it. The fact that it bothers so many of you is pretty telling of just how far we haven’t come. You went on your little rant listing a few examples that are in no way analogous to this particular situation to make a point that wasn’t really relevent to the conversation. What was your argument strategy? “Lemme talk about something in the ballpark of the subject and maybe I’ll appear like I know what I’m talking about”. No one really said they didn’t care about how well he did. No one said the only thing that mattered was that he was black. Stop fishing and try reading sometimes. And don’t blame others because their points, simple as they may be, fly over your head.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I also don’t get how “the black experience” can be fashionable or not fashionable… I like that you don’t pigeonhole blacks into a single category, but that statement is a little contradictory. If you’re black, you’re having a “black experience,” but you aren’t YOU just because you’re black. Being black is a facet of an individual, not the be all end all.
    Most minorities deal with racism at least some point in their lives, yes. But there’s a lot more to the “minority experience” than dealing with closet racists or hoping that the next coach of your favorite basketball team is black as opposed to white.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    “As I said before, I don’t give a damn one way or another in terms of race, but if someone wishes to celebrate the fact the organization just so happened to diversify in it’s choice of head coach than so be it.”
    Okay, never mind. Question answered, holmes.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Well, not all the questions but your stance on Mike Brown.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    You’re bang on with your comments on race, but still haven’t addressed the “fairy” remark or your misogyny. But whatever. Peace out.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Teddy: You couldn’t understand my issue with their comments? Oooookay. 1) I’m always going to have a problem when we’re talking about how things SHOUlD be, and the first thing that they start talking about is how black people need to stop being proud of this, or stop being upset at that. Then they have the nerve to post that bullsh*t AFTER some inbred fool starts popping off with slavery jokes. But of course they dedicate comments to black ppl’s “wrongdoings”. F-that. 2) The “inadequate fairy” was in poor taste. I have no excuse for the homophobia. If I said anything hypocritical it was that, since the point was to emasculate him by using a slur. I didn’t make a comment about him being white because I don’t hate that he’s white, or white ppl. Just ppl who think and act like him. 3) I can certainly go in on cats sitting in front of their computers all day every day because I don’t. I do it when I have to, which isn’t every day. I’m being paid as we speak.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Also the “fashionable” comment was meant as sarcasm. I was poking fun at those with that type of attitude.

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    Considering you think my argument didn’t make sense, I wouldn’t be accusing people of points flying over their head. I’d try and explain it to you, but I don’t have any hand puppets to make the argument easier. Sorry.
    First off, bull22 DID say “HEY just back off the guy, who cares what he did. He’s african american, just be happy he’s coaching!” Did you miss that, or are you just purposely ignoring it? I think ThaWindy’s post was 100% sensible, and Kap thinks Brown is going to be a good coach for the Lakers, so I don’t have any issue with those posts. Bull22 saying in MULTIPLE areas of the website “who cares if he’s not a good fit, I’m happy to see a black guy coaching!” seems ridiculous to me. You standing up for him seems ridiculous to me. But it shouldn’t, since I’ve read other trash you’ve posted here.
    Second off, it doesn’t “bother” me. I just think it’s dumb. I think it’s incredibly disrespectful for you to suggest that everyone who disagrees with you (read: the majority) is projecting some racist societal hatred. Drop the “it’s telling” talk, bro. No one here was thinking about race at all.
    Let me ask you, do you feel there is a problem with black coaches being passed on in the NBA?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Gotcha, zoom. I understand where you’re coming from, for the most part. We’re cool.

  • Josh

    Brown is going to get screwed over in all of this. Even if they do okay the constant scrutiny and pressure is going to take years off his life. Kobe should have been consulted even just for his ego. Not consulting him is a serious message to Kobe. First Kareem and now Kobe, the Lakers really know how to piss off their stars, even Magic sold his Lakers stake.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yay a race discussion on Slam! Sure to be some great thoughts in here… Wait, what happened here?
    lol.
    I like to see other black people succeed. It is the same mindset that leads to random white players being fan favorites. The big difference is black people don’t lie about our motivation.
    But I am not happy that Mike Brown got hired. I can’t see him having success. And I hate to see black.folks fail because.it only fuels the racism on certain folks.

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    Allen: and that is totally fine. It’s the exact same thing ThaWindy said. Saying “good to see black coaches are considered the best choice even in the best teams in the NBA, but there were better options there” is a great, truthful response.
    My big issue is bull22, who here and more blatantly in other areas has pretty much said “I don’t care about the noise, it’s awesome to see a black coach here!” and that ain’t right in my opinion.
    And I feel ya on yer last point. One of my more… sigh… close minded friend said “Obama’s doing bad. That’s what you get for voting a black guy” and I nearly raged.

  • ripcity8

    117 comments…smh

  • Josh

    Is is bad that I was happy when a white Canadian won the mvp twice? OMG am I a racist!?!

  • http://slamonline.com everything

    On another note, let me just say that i’m proud of Coach Spo, the first Filipino-American NBA coach.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Ummm, wat does race have to do with this topic again????

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    buncha crackers on here…..

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Everything, according to Jukai you shouldn’t be proud. It doesn’t bother me or other sensible people one bit, but Einstien’s heir thinks it’s stupid. So stop being proud because it makes him and the rest of the lesser evolved uncomfortable.

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    Well I certainly don’t think you should be proud of that rebuttal. Better luck next time.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Jukai, show me who your friends are and I’ll show you who YOU are. Friends sometimes disagree on issues like sports, faith, relationships, etc. I know I don’t always agree with mine on a lot of issues. However, I don’t have a single friend with that kind of hatred. I’m never surprised when a person who makes the kind of comments you do hangs around with scum like your buddy. Thanks for sharing! Btw, you are so frequently wrong I actually give you credit for being consistent with the stupidity. You never shock me and say sh*t that makes sense. Congrats on that.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    its always funny when someone is trying to be smart then type something stoopid like ‘einstien’.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Oh yea, and I guess the not-so-subtle hint that you voted for Obama is supposed to be your proof that you’re anything but a racist pig. Yes, I called you a racist because it’s true. I know, I know. You’re not because of how “open minded” you are LOL. I’m done with you.

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    I wished ya better luck and ya still blew it.
    I’m glad you’ve read your friends thoughts to know that there is ZERO hateful sentiments coming from their brains. You’re a real straight arrow, buddy.
    I love the high horse speech coming from a guy who called someone a fairy just a few hours ago.
    BTW, you still getting paid, bro?

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    And I never said I voted for Obama. Once again, you prove your reading comprehension is astoundingly low.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Damn straight I’m still getting paid. You think if I weren’t doing this double I’d be on here kicking it with you? LOL Too bad your debating is predictably stupid. I might have been entertained as I count down til 7.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    “One of my more… sigh… close minded friend said “Obama’s doing bad. That’s what you get for voting a black guy” and I nearly raged.”. Damn you suck at writing. Nowhere in your post did you state that it WASN’T you whom he/she was speaking to. Try not to write so matter of factly when you type stupidity, ok? In fact, the last part actually sounded made up (“I nearly raged”). Yea ok, Jukai. I totally buy your “rage” at the comment. Like you needed to find some random incident to prove you weren’t a racist. Do yourself a favor: get a life.

  • JD

    here come the end of Lakers …

  • rikson

    ridiculous discussion!

  • flipnoyce

    Who cares what HOBE thinks, this so called best basketball player in the universe got swept by Dallas. Maybe thats the real reason why it was not necessary to consult him. Mike Brown is a good coach period regardless of his race. He’s been in the playoffs for as long as he had Lebron.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/san-dova-speak-easy/ San Dova

    TEDDY: “If you’re black, you’re having a “black experience,” but you aren’t YOU just because you’re black. Being black is a facet of an individual, not the be-all-end-all.”

    I love it.

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    ROFL, holy cow Zoom. You seriously need a remedial reading class. I was joking about the hand puppet thing, but WOW man. When she said “that’s what you get for voting for a black guy,” she meant it in a general way. It wasn’t directed to me. Another way of saying it would be “Obama’s doing a bad job but this is what happens when a black guy is voted president!”
    I can’t believe I have to explain to you how to properly interpret a quote I wrote. LOL.
    You can keep calling me racist all you want, name calling doesn’t make you magically win arguments. You’ve trailed away from the original point of the debate and all you are doing now is miserably failing to pick apart the semantics of my comments, and halfheartedly trying to show the prejudices I don’t have.
    This is honestly one of the sadder debates I’ve had on SLAM.
    Have fun working that convenient “double shift” kid.

  • BostonBaller

    Isn’t Jax at least 1/2 a brotha? LOL. Does it really matter?

  • Mike From Spain

    I don’t understand a good deal of the feelings that the racial debate in the US cause. I only hope that one day all races are really equal against the law and people of every origin are treated really equally, being valued by what they do and are, and not by where they come from or what sort of pigmentation their skin has got.

  • http://www.acb.com A l a n

    I still don’t get you the “race” issue. For what I’ve seen, blacks (in Africa) are real racist people. Being white and traveling there, you were NEVER treated the same way they treat to each other. I even have friends living in Nigeria and they agree being white means africans will NEVER treat you as african. Even if you were born there. And that’s FACT. Here in Spain people just care about money. It’s not racism. A sheik will have no problems here, I can tell you. Same goes with black, chinese and any other race around. I strongly believe, and so says my experience, the non-whites are the ones with more issues about “race”.

  • Mike From Spain

    hmm… Alan, I think you try to put out the fire with gasoline :)

  • bball_fan

    lmao kobe is done I can say he wont be putting up 45 points at the age of 40 like MJ. Hes great but now done sorry but hes done. Old, slow, cant last anymore hes not jordan. He pissed of another big men. D.Howard is not coming to LA lol kobes too washed up now. Pau and Bynum dont trust kobe they will get traded now that brown is here. Time for a lakers rebuild.

  • bball_fan

    no white man can’t comment on anything in africa that is racism and compare it to sports. And act like the white man is treated so bad in africa. Are folks this retarded. And i’m asian but understand what whites do in africa is like what happen 300 years ago. JACK ASS

  • James

    Kobe is the franchise, so yes, he should be consulted but only for his opinion. The ultimate decision belonged to the ownership. The deal is done and the team is on their way to a new beginning.

    ps. I think Bynum is like broken glass and a bit lazy, he breaks easy, and his low post game is a bit weak. DHoward should be available, the Lakers could use a guy like that, h*ll, all teams could use a guy like that, lol… what do you think?

  • http://MyMass YVONNE MASSEY

    I am a true Laker fan, I and I too have Mixed feelng about Bynum, and I feel that the lakers will have to deal with the fact the Bynum is Jim Buss’s pic, and that is what we have to deal with. So Kobe is going to do what he needs to do the help Bynum become the player the Owner is expecting fron him. Do not count the Laker’s out for winning the Championship, because just take a look at all of the top teams, and no team is unbeatable. Remember, in the playoffs, it is who can win 4 games out of 7.

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