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Thursday, May 5th, 2011 at 9:12 am  |  422 responses

Post Up: Say Hello to Goodbye

Lakers fall further into hole; Bulls climb back out.

Atlanta 73, Chicago 86

Derrick Rose was presented with his MVP trophy just before tip-off last night in an emotional ceremony in which he stated that the award wasn’t for him, but for the City of Chicago. Then, the Bulls went out and did what everyone was really there to see them do, win Game 2.

It was a must win for Chicago, no doubt, as they couldn’t afford to head to Atlanta down 0-2. The game was ugly on both sides, but the Bulls played much better defense on Wednesday night than they did on Monday night and managed to walk away with the series tied at one game apiece.

Joe Johnson and Jeff Teague both continued to play well. Johnson, although he didn’t score 30+ in this game, still managed to shoot efficiently and seems to be the only reliable and consistent scorer that these Hawks have. Teague has also been a pleasant surprise. In two games he’s not only shot the ball well, he’s also taken care of it to the tune of having only 1 turnover, which occurred in Game 2. I think most predicted him to play and perform well, but I’m not sure anyone could have predicted that he would play this well.

For the Chicago Bulls, it was an ugly win, but they’ll take it nonetheless.

Derrick Rose still hasn’t played well, and last night was especially bad as he scored 25 points point but took 27 shots to do it (1-8 from the three-point line). He also had 8 turnovers to go with his 10 assists. Still, the shots that he did make seemed to be timely, and at least he got to the FT line this time.

Joakim Noah was a beast as he had 19 points and 14 rebounds, 7 of those came on the offensive glass. He totally outplayed Al Horford and seems to be establishing himself as a strong presence in this series as supposed to the Pacers series in Round 1.

Luol Deng played solid but Carlos Boozer is still struggling. It’s gotten so bad that Bulls fans in the United Center have begun to boo him whenever he’s out on the floor or being subbed out of the game. His teammates have rallied behind him, but you have to think that something like that is really bothering him.

All in all, the both the Bulls and the Hawks did what they were supposed to do in the first two games. Atlanta stole one and Chicago won a game that they couldn’t afford to lose. This all sets up nicely for Game 3 on Friday in Atlanta. – Bryan Crawford / @_BryanCrawford

Dallas 93, L.A. Lakers 81

There’s a lot to say about the Mavs’ 93-81 win over the Lakers. Most of those things are questions, like “How?” and “Why?”

There might not be answers. All we can do is explain it, like a UFO sighting or a very complicated crime scene, and hope we parse it out by Friday so we know what to expect.

That’s mostly what this 2-0 series lead is at this point, anyway—a very complicated crime scene. Everything you know is dead, everyone is ruled by confusion, and the Mavericks are running away scot-free because they’re too scary-looking to try to needle at.

So, the explanation. The Mavericks came out a little hot. DeShawn Stevenson hit those corner threes he’s hit for two months in his entire career, and those two months were at the start of this season. He looks like that guy again. He has the swagger of a thousand Marines on port. It was contagious.

The Mavs led early and the Lakers crawled back. Little bits of Kobe here and there until the crying stopped. He figured out Kidd, so they switched Stevenson on to him. Then this process repeated. The Lakers had glimpses of the lead, but decided they didn’t want it, so they lent it back like ugly jewelry.

Not to be all terribly linear here, but then the third quarter came and the Lakers couldn’t hang anymore.

The 2005 Detroit Pistons. That’s it. That’s what you were thinking of all that time you were trying to think of how well this Dallas team collapsed around the Lakers in the paint in this quarter. Pau began missing so many layups that Lakers fans were booing a team that was down 5 in a Playoff game.

Nobody in gold got any looks worth taking within 16 feet. This wouldn’t be a world-ending problem if the Lakers could hit a jumpshot tonight. They couldn’t. The third quarter shot chart is actually kind of funny, if you find lots of spread apart Xs hilarious.

Oh! We should probably mention the murder weapon at this point. We’ve been focusing so much on the confusion because it’s so compelling in hindsight—it would make for a masterful episode of Cops—but there was a definitive attacker and a definitive victim.

The attacker was JJ Barea, of all people. He penetrated on a defense that forgot how switches on pick-and-rolls work and just took over. A floater here. A Kidd three there. A Brendan Haywood dagger dunk with about five minutes left. He looked like a real second option tonight and it kind of freaked everybody out.

The Mavs are all pent up with swagger right now, and why not? It’s a whole postseason of has-beens and hustle players turning into superheroes.

So, of course, the Lakers are exactly like us right now: They have no answers.

The Lakers are dead. Long live the Lakers. No, actually, it’s probably too late. — Ben Collins

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  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    WTF is with the lakers?? did they forget it’s the playoffs?

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Stick a fork in the Lakers!

  • Abdo

    2004 detroit pistons. if you work for a basketball magazine you should have basic facts down…

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    NBK… Where not understanding (and clearly obsessing over) another commenter’s name happens, and then having the audacity to call that commenter “dumb”. You gotta be kidding me. FYI, I don’t care who’s online “friends” with him here at SLAM, the DNA mixture that goes by “nbk” is clearly SLOW like the character Raymond Babbitt in the movie Rain Man. Again, I’m not a hater… I truly hope the kid finds some happiness in his life and smartens up. <<< Reply to nbk’s comment from May.3rd‘s Post-Up at 6:15 pm.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cheryl

    Not to get too far ahead of myself, but could we be looking at a Heat/Mavs rematch? Uh oh, Jason Terry’s gonna have a heart attack! :)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Shoutout to the homie, Darksaber….we’re about to bring back 2006 son!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    nooooo F**K 2006!!!!!!…i wanted to finally see kobe vs bron in the playoffs..is that so wrong? I’m so upset right now

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    Lakers are in trouble.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Well….DUH!!!!!!! :)

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    Wow, Rose is consistent. 24 and 10 on 27 shots in game one and 25 and 10 on 27 shots in game two.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The only real pleasure I’ll take out of the paper champs demise is the fact that Kobe won’t get his 6th ring and not be gifted a second 3peat….again falling short of the God. Can’t wait for Kobe to drop 45 in his game 3 rampage as the Lakers fall in a 3-0 hole. It’s going to happen.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    A Mavs/Thunder WCF would be awesome. The Lakers are arrogant. Actually, Kobe is arrogant. The rest of the team is complacent, and annoyed with Kobe. Kobe’s ego is the key for them. Lakers are the better team, but the Mavs will take it in 6 or 7.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m convinced that the Hawks and Bulls will be coming back to Chicago for Game 5 tied at 2-2. I think the Hawks win Game 3 and the Bulls, lead by a breakout game (close to 40) by the MVP, tie it get momentum going back home. That’s going to happen too.

  • http://Thundercats.com THC

    Don’t worry… The fakers will turn it on in the “real season”… Oh wait

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Can Kobe do what only D-Wade could do….”singlehandedly” lead a monstrous comeback when all hope seemed lost being down to the Mavs? We shall see. Come on, Mamba, prove it to the haters and your slurpers…we’re waiting breathlessly.

  • http://Thundercats.com ThunderCats

    Mavs in 4 lol. That feels awesome to type!

  • bull22

    many props to the mavs who i picked to get dropped in the first round. no one saw this one coming even the mavericks themselves… for all the flak that dirk gets for not being a champion, but like charles barkley a true warrior who never quits….

  • Bruno

    I think Kobe not gettin ring #6 will make you happier than the heat bein the world champs

  • bull22

    @iamorangeforever, kudos to you for not backing down even when others try to gangup on you….
    thats the spirit!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    @ Bruno….that can very well be true….and I may not see a title win for the Heat for another season…so I’ll have to live with what I can get. :)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    @Bruno–Nah…

  • Riggs

    if boston loses i can take solace that these chump a*s lakers lost as well.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    9:55 is not me….but why would that childish sh*t surprise anyone.

  • robb

    The Lakers just don’t seem to want it.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    Respect to the Mavs, they have been the better team so far. The Lakers need to forget about that 3 peat ish, right now they need to be playing for respect, getting swept is not a good look.

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    The OKC v Dallas matchup in my opinion is super exciting. Durant vs Dirk, two guys player so much smaller than they actually are and killing the entire league in the process.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    WTF is up with rose?!?!
    10-27 for 25?
    8 TOs?!
    …oh wait, they won?
    oh wait, the lakers LOST?
    …what are we b*tching about now?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Stepfan

    Changing of the guard in this 2010-2011 playoffs? Heat making the Celtics look old and the “soft” Dallas Mavericks taking it to the champs. Didn’t realize how important Tyson Chandler is to the Mavericks. The anchor or the defense. I’ll be honest I thought Portland was going to kill them, now they are up 2-0 against the Lakers. WOW

  • el_larsen

    once again drose (the mvp !lol)
    game 1:27 shots to reach 24pts and a loss
    game2?:10-27 on fg,1-8 on 3pts.oh and 8 turnovers!
    not to mention but jeff teague got 21pts.
    lakers can’t stop dirk that s it.
    steve blake is a chickenpox by his own.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Jukai sighting

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Stats are for p*ssies.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    ha, sorry orange but replying to a comment made two days ago is kind of hysterical.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    I so wanted to pull an Eboy on today’s TPU, a Nelson Muntz so to speak. Make the 1st comment an annoying and sarcastic “HaHa”.
    But i was busy helping my team clinch the spot for the bball ‘chips here in balmy S’pore.
    Oh well.
    (thanks for the shoutout btw, Eboy. Mavs/Heat the remix would.be.fantastic)

  • Feez22

    I bet rose goes 10/30 game 3. Book it.

  • http://slamonline.com The Ambassador

    The Lakers need to get rid of The Killer Bee’s that Laker bench is sh*t without Odom!!! They should have a RED BUTTOM to activate ballhog Kobe you know when he gets like 50 points but ballhogs and gets nobody invovled because the rest of the Lakers are acting like p*ssies and arent hungry no more… has anyone seen Gasol played in the playoffs? DWIGHT TO L.A MAKE IT HAPPEN MITCH!

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    I mean this in the most complimentary way possible: JJ Barea is a freaking PEST.
    (how are them nuts Lamar?)

  • Feez22

    the lakers… rofl. but to the real point… rose is the most valuable player to his team league wide? wait a minute… he went 25-10 last night which is awesome until u realise he missed 17 shots compared to making 10 and he had 8 turnovers??? ??? ??? Not only that but he let TEAGUE go off for 20? it got so bad that the coach had to SWITCH HIS MVP OFF TEAGUE???? ??? ?? ?? ? ?? ? ? ? (lmao im question mark happy today. Punctuation errors ftw). Rose possibly played his worst game of the playoffs and the bulls still won by 13. 8 turnovers to 10 assists… 10/27 shooting… 1/8 from 3? sorry but i gotta point out that 3pt percentage. Rose has been bricking 3s all playoffs. In fact, rose has been bricking 3s at an INSANE CLIP since MARCH. MVP, MVP, MVP

  • Feez22

    k back to the lakers. Barea… i still can’t believe it.

  • HAMMER

    Until the Mavs win 4 games first, I can’t count the champs out. As bad as it looks 4 the Lakers, im also still looking for the Mavs to collapse, as they’ve done so many times b4. Mayb the Mavs r real enuff 2 knock out the champs, but im not willing 2 bet on it

  • http://Twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    2 time paper champs.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Ridicule is the tribute paid to the genius by fools.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    How’s it feel not having to sit on purple and yellow nuts anymore, Shia? you’ll be back to rooting for the Knicks with no D, and the Lakers with a pulse.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Oh look, it’s the Invisible Man.

  • wssss

    @robb EXACTLY!

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    real talk though, derrick took WAY too many 3′s last night. now they were wide open looks, not any pull ups or rolling of the screen shots, but still.
    i wish he drove more, but i think that ankle is getting to him more than he admits.
    i think that’s affecting his shot too; not enough lift, too many short shots.
    and it was emotional night for him as well.
    that said, they still won and the defense held them to 73? pts. im still thinking bulls in 5

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    and i bet rose gets somewhere around 30 and 10. book it.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    I think DRose is just tired, honestly. He’s played a ton of basketball since last summer. Throw in that ankle injury and that just makes things that much harder.
    He’ll fight through it though. This I’m sure of.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Wow, I’m really enjoying Dirk Nowitzki, I think I never really apreciated him that much all those years but once you start watching him just for the love of basketball, it’s really fun. Last night I was just laughing out loud at some of the shots he made, amazing. (I’m aware he’s been doing it for years, still..) Glad the Bulls got the win, Drose is def. bothered by his ankle, he doesn’t admit but he’s just a little less explosive (still faster than anyone else in this series though). I’m still very confident the Bulls take this series against the Hawks, their defense is just too good and with Rose not even playing his best and Booz still playing like shit (I’m at a point where I’m not even expecting anything anymore) things can only go up.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Larry Drew better convince Josh Smith that he cannot shoot and needs to dive to the basket or come to the high post when the Bull double Joe Johnson on the win. That is simple effing basketball. If they are going to zone you up, like Tom Thibodeau does ALL good wing players, then you have to attack them before they can rotate back. That’s how the Lakers got buckets against the Celtics last Finals by a quick swing then dumping it into the post with good position.
    Instead, Joe Johnson is holding the ball because he doesn’t want to give it Josh Smith so Josh can shoot an effing jumper. That dude acts like he is barred from the paint sometimes, just drifting around the damn three point line. How can you be that clueless? It offends me as a basketball fan.
    On the Lakers,
    Dirk is a beast, Kobe, not so much. That’s the big difference. Nobody can stop Dirk, and Dallas can slow Kobe. Well, that and the fact that Pau has a mangina.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Between the Celts and Lakers, who has a better chance to come back? Celts go back home ofcourse and Lakers on the road but I’d say Miami right now is harder to beat than Dallas, still tough..

  • http://none HAMMRR

    Until the Mavs r up 3-0, I still can’t count the champs out. And even then it wont b a sure thing. The Mavs have a history of dissapointing when it matters the most. As a Laker hater, i really do hope tho that the Mavs can pulll this off.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    It’s funny watching the Lakers D against Dallas. They appear to be working very hard, rotating to shooters, helping on the drive, etc but you know that regardless it always results in JKidd, Terry or Dirk left wide open on an late contested 3 or a straight drive to the basket. Also Phil’s mantra of letting players/team play through their mistakes hasn’t worked this year. See Pau, Blake, Killer Bees. #packing fishing rods this weekend.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Neither one of them is coming back.
    Last night, I lost all doubt about the Mavs. That was the most cold-blooded win I’ve ever seen from a Dallas-team. That stepped on the Laker’s throats and wouldn’t get off.
    That was a must win game at home, and the Lakers tried to flip the switch. They really and truly tried to turn it up and the Mavs just coldly executed them. I did not see that coming at all. I kept expecting the Lakers to go on a 10-0 run and crush the Mavs. Instead, the Mavs just kept exposing the Lakers.
    Man, that was an impressive win. It’s the same type of win the Heat have gotten in the past two games. They just played like a better team. It’s shocking.

  • HAMMER

    Until the Mavs r up 3-0, I still can’t count the champs out. And even then it wont b a sure thing. The Mavs have a history of dissapointing when it matters the most. As a Laker hater, i really do hope tho that the Mavs can pulll this off

  • http://slamonline.com everything

    i cant believe the refs allowed this to happen in staples. what a pleasant surprise.
    question is, will stern actually allow the lakers to lose?

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Well its been a great run Lakers. A great 3 years. All great things come to an end though.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Nice to know Allenp is a psychic…

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Its upsetting the Pau and Blake have forgotten how to play basketball. Why are we even watching the playoffs BTW if Allenp is a psychic also? Celtics sill have a shot to get back in the series due to the fact they haven’t lost a home game yet.

  • Bruno

    I’ve not seen twe two games against dallas but has Pau played that poorly or it’s just media overreacting

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    “I’m down i a hole and i don’t know if i can be saved.” Layne Staley

  • Feez22

    Kobe was not the best player in the hornets series and is again not the best player play wise in this series. The lakers are going to need kobe to deliver or else the team is screwed. It is kind of like the situation with last yr’s cavs. The main difference is the talent on the lakers is so much more than that cavs team. However it is Kobe or NOTHING @ this point. Kobe hasn’t been put in a “kobe or nothing” series since 06-07 so really… do i expect the lakers to win now down 2-0? Barring some extra help from the Refs like v. the kings in 02, No. Now do i have sympathy to the lakers and the majority of their fans? Hell no. Why? Lakers fans have been calling lebron james a CHOKER his whole career because he has lost to better overall teams. If you think kobe is all of a sudden with no help guess what… lebron was with no sufficient help for 7 yrs in cleveland. Did lakers fans care? for the majority, No. well guess what? Lebron had a more “lebron or bust” team than kobe has right now to a point where he had to go 38-8-8 on 49% against orlando to even have a remote chance of winning. They still lost in 6 games. Kobe isn’t even capable of production close to that but has still won. Not anymore. Kobe or bust… hey kobe, you now know how it feels to be alone again. btw, no dissing of your teammates in the offseason and asking for trades like last time.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Can they rescind Ron Ron’s citizenship award?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Ohh so now D. Rose is tired? Get serious people he is 22 years old, he should be able to play all day long. He’s the MVP (and deservedly so) let us not make up lame excuses. Ason Kidd is like 67 years old and he looks plenty fresh, Rose being tired now when the real ballers season has started just doesn’t fly. Glad to see Chi get the W, but Rose’s overall floor game was fugly.

  • robb

    No, but they should rescind his “Not Insane” certificate.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Feez…thats why I knew the Lakers would regret not getting Carmelo. They just go on bad offensive droughts during the game and get lackadaisical on defense. Hindsight is 20/20.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Of course I’m not psychic.
    I’m making a random prediction that could easily be wrong.
    But I like my chances.
    Don’t you?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Dirkus!
    Stats are for p*ssies! (if they discredit your favourite player).
    I watched the game last night, and Rose was sub-par. Now, I also checked the box score, and it shows Rose being sub-par. Guess that makes me a p*ssy.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Boston clearly have more chance coming back than L.A do. Going on the road down 0-2, how many teams total have come back from that?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If the Lakers had Carmelo they would have lost to the Hornets…
    Both Dallas and Miami appear superior to their foes. Now, that can change. It happened to Dallas in 2006. But that was using the 2-3-2 format of the Finals, which actually bestows a HUGE advantage on the road team.
    Both the Lakers and Celtics can take solace in the fact that they haven’t played a truly good game. But, attribute that to the defense and execution of their opponents, not to some internal failure. The Lakers were trying hard last night. As hard as they can try. And they still couldn’t win.
    Who expected that?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Rose can keep shooting like this as long as the Bulls keep winning. And everyone here can keep criticizing him as the Bulls advance again. CP3 shot a great percentage on his 6 shot attempts and now he’s watching the rest of those less efficient players from his couch.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Lz, do you have any “statistical facts” to back that comment up? Or do you only use those when speaking on the size of Asian men’s pee-pees which is so suspect that I can’t even begin to get over it.
    Nobody is making “lame” excuses, it’s just an observation and my own PERSONAL theory. Nobody has to agree with it.
    But you were just chomping at the bit to say something snarky because I made the comment though, right? Whatever…
    Don’t you have a quarterly magazine to go edit? Or perhaps you have some more measurements to take in order to continue your “scientific” research? GTFOH, dude.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    If the Lakers had to give up Bynum to get Carmelo (as was reported) then yes, they may have lost to the Hornets.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Co-sign Diesel @ 11:46… Chuuuch!

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    rose did play subpar.
    bulls still won though.
    i’m not sure what it will take for people to understand that a W is ultimately more important than any other stat any one could make up.
    but hey! at least they can enjoy comparing their high fg percentages and PERs and whatever it may be while watching the rest of the playoffs.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Great point about the ’06 format, Allenp. Forgot that.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    That being said I don’t like the way the Bulls are playing. And I don’t like that Boozer’s turf toe and Rose’s ankle are suddenly the excuse everyone is using to explain it. Bulls need to space the floor on offense so that the Hawks can’t just pack the paint. Bulls were literally running into each other on offense. I’d like to see Boozer throw a head fake every now and then considering Horford and Smith jump on every shot attempt. Basic fundamental basketball is lacking on the offensive end for the Bulls.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    How can you make that comment about Rose’s performance when they lost Game one with him doing the same thing?
    And the Hawks are a clearly inferior team. If LeBron was playing like an idiot and his team was advancing nobody would say “Oh, it’s ok that he’s playing like a bum because they are winning.”
    Come on now.
    Dude is taking too many jumpers and I don’t even understand why. Maybe it’s the ankle or something. But, Atlanta’s guards can’t stay in front of him, and their rotations are bad. He should be living at the rim. Instead, he’s jacking long jumpers.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    There is no doubt that Pau is playing below his usual level. In February I wrote the following comment, could it be what is happening before our eyes? Thoughts please. ‘Lz – Cphfinest3 Posted: Feb.17 at 12:51 pm
    I agree wholeheartedly with T-Money’s “Disease of More” theory. Here is another Laker theory I have been contemplating since early in the season. I am not saying it is true or anything, just something I was wondering. Please let me know what you think fellas. Here goes; I think we all agree that Pau is a team player first and really doesn’t care too much anout being the man, having the stats and fame (as seen with the Spanish national team, where he is clearly the best player but still have no problem letting others shine) etc etc. This is part of why he thrives as No. 2 to Kobe, however Pau is also a very smart bball player and he knows what is best for the team – he is mos def a TEAM first player and I believe a winner and a competitor. At the start of the season Pau was balling like few putting up multible 25+ & 12+ games and the Lakers were steaming ahead with him being by far their best player in that stretch. People even tried mentioning him as a possible MVP. Kobe who in my opinion is clearly not team-first, his thirst for wins being driven by an urge to boost his own legacy and even if he don’t admit it upstage MJ (he is smart enough to know he needs more than 6 rings to be taken seriously) got uncomfortable with Pau being labeled as a MVP candidate, knowing that this will take away from his own legacy and rings just like Shaq’s dominant play did in the first three-peat. Therefore Kobe started chucking and started to ignore Pau in the post, to show he was still the man on the team. Pau even complained quitely in the media about them going away from their strengths (the inside) but he being the shy type never let to no real outbursts. Ever since this time Pau has been playing up and down, looked tired, disinterested and a far cry from the dominating force he was early in the season. I think that Pau feels betrayed; Kobe had him fooled that they were both playing for the same goal: TEAM success. But when Kobe started to get outshined he went back to his ME-ways, that have proved unfruitful for many seasons. Pau being the smart bball player realises this is wrong for LA’s chance to be sussecful, just like Phil has been critizing LA’s failure to get the ball inside. Basically Kobe’s ways lost the Lakers’ the faith of their team’s most important player, as Pau hasn’t looked the same ever since. You don’t go into the trenches to kill yourself when you feel betrayed by the people on your team, no matter how hard you try the will to sacrifice your touches, body etc just will not be the same. I think this also has something to do with LA’s decline. But who knows, this is just my hunce.’

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    “Or perhaps you have some more measurements to take”! Ha ha.
    Great point, CP3 is a p*ssy, how dare he average 22 points on 13 shots. He should have shot 10-27 and “willed his team” (of role players) to victory over the defending champions. Shooting 55% but losing in the 1st round because your supporting cast is awful is for p*ssies.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Lz, you do realize Rose had 14 people on his back for a full season + the ast round of the playoffs where he took a beating for the team? To compare Kidd’s health to Drose’s at this point is unfair. Yes he’s young, so what? I’m 19 and I get tired too. Besides the ankle injury is clearly bothering him, he’s not admitting it but he just doesn’t have that explosiveness he normally has, he’s stell faster than anyone else on the court though. And yes, I’m making excuses, I do want Drose to stop shooting 3′s (or atleast not eight 3′s a game, that’s waaayyy too much).

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And the Hawks could have won last night if Josh Smith had a brain.

  • Myung

    Allen, how many Hawks games have you watched over the years? Josh Smith has played like this for 7 years. He’s been in the League for 7 years. He hasn’t regressed as much as you say he has. He simply is what he is, but he just happens to be on television a lot more. I cannot stand the way he plays, and I’ve wanted to see him traded away each offseason/trade deadline… but again, this is nothing new. I’ve seen probably 90% of his professional games since he entered the League in 2004. His love affair with his broken jump shot is as new as LeBron’s powder toss, Kobe’s ball hogging ways, or Dwight’s muscles. They’ve been around this 2004 (or in Kobe’s case, 1996).

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Jordan rules, meet the Bron rules. (where da hate narrows one’s evaluation of his game.)
    At least from his detractor’s p.o.v.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Well actually, LeBron ditches his pre-game powder toss ritual because he’s more focused. Yes.

  • Myung

    BTW, Allen, I’m not trying to even argue with you (which is something no one should ever try anyway), because as you can tell, you’re choir-ing to the preacher.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    *ditched

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    bulls lost game one because their defense didn’t come correct.
    game 2, defense pulls through, and guess what? bulls win.
    derrick rose does basically the same thing both games.
    its not a matter of rose’s performance, and like it has been mentioned and scrutinized all season, his FG% isn’t the greatest, but he will that team to wins.
    and if he can play this bad and they still win, imagine when he gets out of this slump.
    im expecting criticisms to be pulled out of ppl’s as*es when that happens.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Why does Pau playing like a b*tch gotta be Kobe’s fault. C’mon…the lakers getting pummeled by Dallas is not Kobe’s fault. Dallas just looks like a better team right now. Kobe had a great game one and a descent game 2. Its not Kobe’s fault Gasol is getting his shot blocked by a guy eight inches shorter than him and how every big guy in the last two series have had their way with Gasol. It’s not Kobe’s fault Fisher can’t hit the open shots he’s paid to hit.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    The Bulls are beating teams because of their superior talent (in Indiana’s case) and because they are a better team defensively, and about 100 times smarter (in Atlanta’s case).
    Of course the most important thing is winning, but if you guys can’t connect the dots between beating teams that you are supposed to beat with your star playing below average basketball, and losing to the champions whilst your best player is playing historically great basketball, then you are stupid. No, I am not calling you two stupid, because I know you can connect the dots, you are just being blind to Rose current poor play, or excusing it with a “hey we are winning. The Bulls have not played a team that they should lose to yet. The Hornets should not have had a chance against L.A, but CP played out of his mind.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Allen, Chicago lost Game 1 because Atlanta shot 50%+ from both the field and behind the 3-point line, not because Rose played below what he’s capable of. Don’t get that twisted.
    And to your LeBron point, that’s basically all people do is make excuses for him. Don’t get that twisted either. When Miami wins, he’s great, when they don’t, it’s everyone else’s fault BUT his.
    Come on, now…

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    wills*

  • Myung

    OK, bad example, Jahmai. Sorry about the poor analogy (although I think you guys get the point).

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @Allenp…I’m not writing off the Celtics or Lakers until they’re down 3-0. I still think LA has a shot. They are a great road team. They usually play great when their backs are against the walls. PJ has also done a bad coaching job this year. He deserves a lot of blame. He sits Kobe when the game is close and wait til the other team gets a 7-10 point lead then re inserts kobe back into the game. Some of his philosophies are just outdated for this type of team. You just can’t do those things for an old team like the Lakers.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Allenp – I thought you were above the “this team could have won if…every player played better” type of excuse. And it’s easy to tell Rose to drive to the rim, but when the player guarding you is sagging 7 feet off of you, and you have a big guy waiting there to meet you at the rim because he doesn’t have to worry about the Bulls underperforming power forward, then it’s much harder to score at the rim.
    @AllBall – you can keep resting on your defending champs and horrible supporting cast arguments. Is Rose’s supporting cast much better at the moment? Are the defending champs imposing their will against the Mavs?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    BC; I am not into the whole snarky comment thing. Didn’t realise it was you who made the comment when I posted. But yes, ‘Rose being tired’ is a lame excuse. These players are all tired, but they all play through it. Rose is 22 years old and probably one of the best conditioned athletes in the NBA. Being tired???? Take that weak excuse for your boy somewhere else. Snarky comments? I am commenting on basketball, it is you who goes into personal mode bringing up my job, insinuating I am gay (I have no problem with gay people, but I can assure you I see more pink in a year than you have in your lifetime), commenting on stuff from a bunch of old comment treads and trying to rile me up. Well whatever gets your pecker hard BC, don’t you have another 5-a-dime piece of internet-journalism to write?

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    So did Rose “will his team to the win” last night? He is just not playing good right now. Any one that watches the game (and apparently is not a Bulls fan) can see this. “They are winning” is not a good enough excuse. IF Rose plays like this against Boston or Miami, that excuse will not be able to made.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Hehe @ “pecker”.
    Haven’t heard that one in a while. Got some Brit in you by any chance, Lz?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myung
    I agree. But last year he gave us a taste. He appeared to turn the corner. I can’t believe that after all the praise he received, he just abandoned all that. It doesn’t make sense!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Why you still talking about penises though, Lz? Sus-pect. Good grief.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    this is what is frustrating, some of y’all act like you’ve watched the bulls all season when y’all know DAMN well you haven’t.
    this is NOTHING new.
    bulls have had a history this entire season of playing down to their opponents and then showing up BIG against these “champions”.
    pacers were inferior, sure. bulls took em out in 5.
    these hawks are inferior, and i still believe bulls will take care of them fairly easily.
    bulls haven’t played anyone their supposed to lose yet, and guess what, they haven’t lost a series yet either.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    hows is “they’re winning” not good enough???
    when is winning EVER not good enough???
    omg.

  • http://slamonline.com everything

    actually its more like this BC: when miami wins, this is still wade’s team, wade is championship tested, dwade is a closer, lebrons just riding dwade’s back. perfect example: game 1. ec semis
    when mia loses, lebron is such a choker, why dont they give the ball to dwade? lebrick, lechoke, lebum, leb**ch, etc etc

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    You can’t see the difference between playing Indiana in the 1st round, or playing L.A in the 1st round?
    Rose supporting cast is a hell of a lot better than N.O’s supporting cast. They can’t be THAT BAD, Rose team is winning whilst he is not playing well. If Paul played bad against Indiana or Atlanta, they would lose. You also realise you brought CP up? Then moan about hearing certain arguments repeated.
    Paul played well in every game of the 1st round, some (including yourself) just said he played sub-par because some of his games were better than just “played well”.
    Bogans or Marco? Marcoi was HORRIBLE in round 1, Bogans has been solid, shooting 48% from 3 right now. Bogans can also play D, which will not show up in his or Marcos stats.
    Deng is light years ahead of Ariza offensively. Defensively Ariza has the slight edge. The way he moves off the ball, he would have been GREAT in that N.O series.
    Landry was better than Boozer in round 1 no doubt.
    Noah is miles ahead of Okafor, he couldn’t stay on the court in round 1.
    The bench for N.O is Jarret Jack and a bunch of guys who should not see the court during the post season, including Aaron Gray who was a throw in during a trade for the Bulls. Jason Smith, Willie Green, Pondexter?
    I would take Gibson, Brewer, Korver, Kurt Thomas, Asik and C.J Watson over that group, most sane people would.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    BC once again insinuating I am gay, boy is he clever. You really should grow up dude, it is getting pathetic.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Teams have been sagging off Rose all season. Boozer and Noah have been out for huge chunks.
    Basically, nothing is happening now that didn’t happen during the regular season. NOTHING.
    Rose is taking more jumpers. He just is. I think it’s the ankle or just being tentative. And he’s turning the ball over at an alarming rate.
    The Hawks won because they shot well and the Bulls played poor defense. My point is the Bulls still can’t handle Joe Johnson one-on-one, so they are zoning him in his sweet spots. If the Hawks make the correct basketball read (Hi-low action between the big men, or the quick swing for open looks) they can still beat the Bulls because once you start zoning up on players you’re giving up open looks to other people.
    To blame Chicago’s loss strictly on the Hawks hot shooting is flawed. The Hawks shot so well because they were getting easy shots. They could still be getting easy shots now because the adjustment the Bulls made should only work if you’re stupid.

  • larrylegend

    Deutsche Wertarbeit!

  • Myung

    Allen, last year, he abandoned the 3 ball (which I was SO thankful for), so there was that. But he still took 19 footers. haha. I have no idea what goes on in this kid’s head. I’m tired of hearing all of his defenders saying, “He’s just a kid.” Yes, he’s just 25. But I think 25, especially when you came straight out of high school, is like 28 or 29 if you compare these current players to guys who played in the 80′s and even 90′s. I could excuse Josh a little when he was 19 or even 20, but after that, he was earning a man’s paycheck so I don’t need to hear all this “He’s just a kid; leave him alone” nonsense. I’ve made my share of bad calls over the years (Ex. I thought Tyler Hansbrough and Brook Lopez would be busts in the pro’s), but one thing I feel like I nailed was that Josh Smith would never become a good shooter. So many guys BECAME shooters as pro’s: Vince, McDyess, Amar’e, Shawn Kemp. Josh doesn’t seem to have that shooter gene in him, and I’m FINE with that. Dwight can’t shoot. JaVale McGee can’t shoot. DeAndre Jordan can’t shoot. But those three sure as heck play to their STRENGTHS instead of bailing out the defense by launching 19 footers and 23 footers. Sigh. The funniest thing ever is going to a Hawks game at Philips Arena and hearing the entire crowd yell, “NOOOOOOOOO” every time he winds up for a jumper. Granted, we don’t have a great crowd, nor are we as knowledgeable as those in Boston or NY, but still, we love our NBA in Atlanta and know the game a little. We know this kid can’t shoot. We groan when he does. Yet he defies everyone. His coaches. His fans. Everyone. He. Will. Keep. Shooting. Jumpers.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Airs, “their winning” is not a good enough excuse for Rose sub-par play, if you want him mentioned in any “best player” or “best at his position arguments”.
    When did I say that winning was not good enough. If you think that what we have seen in the play-off’s shows the Bulls that can beat Boston or Miami then good luck with that.
    I watched A LOT of Bulls games this year, A LOT.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    AllBall – you’re bringing CP3 up every time you list Rose’s shooting percentages after EVERY game – The one clear cut advantage CP3 has over him. Don’t think I don’t know what you’re doing. And its always you putting it out there. Rose CLEARLY needs to play better for the Bulls to have a chance in the next round. But I’m not going to come on here the day after a Bulls win and talk about the sh*tty game he had the entire day like some of you would clearly like to.

  • Myung

    And I also blame our guards for passing him the ball. Whenever I play ball and we’ve got a guy on our team who can’t shoot but camps out around the 3 point line, we DON’T PASS him the rock. Why our guards keep kicking him the ball when he’s outside is beyond me.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Dark; no Brit here. But I guess Copenhagen is close enough to the old country for me to know pecker, bloke and that a fag means cigarette. I remember you are an expat, whereabout did you just say something about Singapore?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    The sh*tty game of 25 points, 10 assists, and 6 rebounds.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Well Drose has 2 terrible games, guess what he got 24 and 10 in one and 25 and 10 in the other game so if that’s a bad game for somebody, I’d say everybody that’s not a Bulls fan should be happy because you don’t want the full Poohdini Experience, trust me.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    The Bulls have been winning, Rose has not been playing like the MVP. Simple.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Airs
    This is a shifting standard man. For some players, all that matter is winning. For other players you have to win and dominate.
    I don’t get it. I’m not even downing Rose, just pointing out that as JTaylor noted, dude is being very inefficient.
    Who really doubted that they would beat the Hawks or Pacers? Hell if they were losing it would be a bigger shock than the Lakers being down two games to the Mavs.

  • ThaWindy

    I dont know about the rest of you bulls fans, but the Bulls HAVE to play better offensively. It never really bothered before me before but this shi* gotta stop. EVERYONE has to look to be aggressive on the offensive end. The team puts tooo much pressure on Rose to perform. One play in mind, a Boozer post-up. Rose entry pass. Boozer kicks back to Rose for repost(at least thats Im thinking) Rose gives it to Booz. BOOZER BACK TO ROSE! IM thinking WTF! 6 secs on shot clock now Rose has to come up with a shot. A win is a win. They have always depended on their D to get wins. BUT sometimes you have to put the ball in the basket. I think Rose is just feeling the pressure. His shot was falling short in the Pacers series. He needs the rest of not having to be the only play maker.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    And I’m just saying as long as the bulls keep winning, I’m not concerned with if Rose is playing like an MVP or not.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    if you have watched a lot of bulls games this year, then you should already know what they’re gonna bring versus a boston or miami. you should.
    and allen, i guess the hawks are dimwits then for only scoring 73 points.
    bulls are doing something right, they have been for some time. they’ve been playing like this for 89 games.
    for whatever reason, ppl like to discredit it.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Right now, Marion, Chandler and Kidd are the Mavs main reasons for the lead. Marion has been a disruptor on the offensive boards, when he switches to Kobe, he alters the guys shots well, and is still great in the open court.
    Chandler is staying out of Foul trouble and playing well against Bynum. No flashy numbers so far, but he’s the foundation of that D, (hardly used the zone so far, btw.)
    And Kidd did an excellent job on KB late in gm1 and doesn’t run from that specific challenge.
    Add Dirk’s timely shotmaking and Barea’s slice&dish game and this team can beat LA.
    Would still love to see more Corey Brewer (miles better than Stevenson on both ends) and a taste of Mahinmi, a talented big who fouls too mich when he plays.
    Gotta add i’m shocked at Carlisle’s rotations in this series. Apart from a brainfart late in Gm1, he’s had the perfect lineup out there to counter PJ’s.
    Things are looking good, but i expect Pau to have a few good games in this series.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Diesel, YOU brought up CP today, not me.
    Diesel, you think he played well last night? No? Then why bring up those stats. Their for p*ssies remember. He also needed 27 shots to get 25, and had 10 assists to 8 turn overs.
    This is whats funny, two people saying 25/10, and you say he had a bad game. Now I watched last night, he did not play well. Its interesting how the stats you guys hate so much are flipped around when it suits.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Have no fear, when the Bulls try to tout the one-man show against the Heat, the silence in this comment section will be deafening.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    I’m expecting Miami and Chicago to meet in the next round (yes I know their series are a long way from over), but I’m sure Drose will bring his best when he’s looking at Wade and Bron (same for them). Too bad Drose couldn’t showcase his MVP trophy before a game against the Heat, that would’ve been epic. Just imagine if Blake Griffin would’ve been on the Bulls, the 3 most explosive basketball athletes in the world (Rose, Bron, Griffin) would be on the same court for atleast 4 games.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Dark; First of all congrats on your Mavs – I always liked that team. Secondly, no Brit here but I guess Copenhagen is close enough for me to know pecker, bloke and that a fag is slang for cigarette. I remember you telling you are an expat, did you just mention Singapore above? Is that where you are at?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I already knew what Boston “brought” when playing the Heat in the regular season, airs….how’s that working out for the Celts right now?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Lz, don’t blame ME for YOUR suspect comments.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    @Eboy, WTF are you talking about? The same Heat, Drose put a whipping on this season? Don’t forget who’s got the reining MVP on their side.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    AIRS
    I believe the Hawks have one of the worst offensive IQs in the league as a collective unit. They consistently take horrible shots and fail to make fundamental basketball plays.
    That’s why I expected the Bulls to crush them and said as much. The Bulls are typically an elite defensive team and the Hawks are subpar offensively.
    However, the Bulls have not looks “elite” so far on defense. That whole zone thing they are doing now with Joe Johnson is working so well because he’s playing selfish, josh smith is dumb and al horford is limited.
    I didn’t expect the Bulls to have to make such a drastic change to contain Joe Johnson. Now I’m wondering what they will do if they have to deal with Boston or Miami’s three headed monsters.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    nearly every celtic is about one crossover away from a torn MCL, too.
    basically, they old.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I have not mentioned Chris Paul to discredit Derrick Rose since the Hornets got eliminated.
    By saying Rose is not playing great, then referencing in-efficient statistics, is not a Chris Paul reference. There are plenty of great players who play efficiently most nights.
    Hell, when Rose shoots 40% but gets to the line 12-15 times, then its like he is shooting 50%. When he needs more shots than he has points, its just bad. Also, he is a high usage guy, so 3-4 turn overs is understandable, 8 is not.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Dark; First of all congrats on your Mavs – I always liked that team. Secondly, no Brit here but I guess Copenhagen is close enough for me to know pecker, bloke and that a fa_g is slang for a cigy. I remember you telling you are an expat, did you just mention Singapore above? Is that where you are at?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    10-27 is bad, 8 to’s bad, but he did make timely shots and if it ever got close in the 4th I think every Bull fan would know that Drose would’ve brought it home even if hadn’t made shot up until that point. CP can enjoy his marvelous stats sitting courtside WATCHING playoff basketball.

  • Myung

    BC, the Hawks won game 1 for a variety of reasons. Don’t belittle our win by just saying it’s because we were hot from the field. I’ve given a lot of credit to the Bulls and feel like they’ll win this series (probably in 7). But don’t partronize us by saying we only won this game because we shot the lights out. And by the way, BC, you probably don’t care what I have to say because I don’t comment on here very often (I used to all the time, but my life is a lot busier these last few years), but I do remember debating with you last year about Mike Woodson (and how you felt he was a good coach) and I immediately was turned off by how you felt like you HAD to get in the last word. And I’ve read the things you say to people on these boards… I mean, I love SLAM. I’ve been down with SLAM since day 1. I’ve been down with this site since day 1. And it’s pretty wild that they give someone as unprofessional as you your own column on this site. You’re not a bad writer, but as someone who represents this site and their brand, maybe you should try to rise above the fray and turn the other cheek and have some thick skin from time to time (like, say, Lang, who always exhibited true professionalism on this site) and maybe tone down some of the name calling and insults. I don’t know you, and you don’t know me… and maybe your real life persona doesn’t match your online one, but you come across as such an unlikeable person on these boards. Just saying, man.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    BC the only thing I am blaming you for is you dragging the level of my favorite bball site down.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i agree with you AllenP, the zone defense does seem a bit college-like.
    but maybe thibs knows that the hawks are susceptible to falling for it, its working either way.
    and as far as the bulls dominating, they need work offensively, ive admitted that much and anyone can see it.
    but. they. win. so if it happens that way down the road, i’ll be fine with it.
    i’ll wait til their in some real sh*t before i panic.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    BTW, that ‘MVP adjusted’ powerade commercial with Drose and that J Cole track is epic, what a combination. Drose is taking over telivision. :P

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    I’ll worry about Rose’s play when we really need him to play flawless against the Celtics next round.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Why are we talking about CP again? If the Bulls lose to Miami (and the if is generous) and Chalmers gets into it with Rose like Chalmers always gets into it with people, can Eboy please give us a “D Rose can enjoy watching Chalmers from his flat screen”.
    Trying to discredit CP because they are eliminated is stupid, when you look at circumstances.
    Same will be said if Eboy (or more likely me) was to say that about Chalmers and Rose. Because the Bulls are still playing and Paul is not means nothing in the Rose is better than Paul argument. Nothing. Rose team SHOULD still be playing, looking at who they have played.

  • http://slamonline.com everything

    @jahmai youre talking regular season? Eboy just mentioned what the celtics did in the regular season and please look at what they are doing in the REAL season. funny how you brought up the regualr season award award during PLAYOFFS

  • MLK4Life

    Rose being tired isn’t an excuse, it’s the truth. He’s been playing nonstop since last summer. 22 years old or not, it’s understandable. He’s tired. His ankle isn’t 100%. The Hawks indeed won game one because they shot the ball well. Bryan Crawford is 100% correct.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LZ
    I learned all those terms from Charles Dickens…
    Oops, I said Dickens.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Only 3 teams have come back from an 0-2 home deficit. To be fair, it has only happened 18 times, but those are not good odds. Miami/Dallas re-match looks the most likely RIGHT NOW. Obviously a lot can change.

  • http://slamonline.com everything

    lol @ diesel at 12:32

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Chicago Cavs have a lot of suspect fans.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    I was responding to his comment about how the ‘one man show’ for the bulls will not work against the heat, yes the playoffs are a different animal but the last time the Bulls played the Heat they almost needed a win as badly as a playoff win because of the scrutiny they were under and their losing streak and Drose dropped 27 on em. And don’t tell me the RS doesn’t tell us anything, look at the Magic-ATL series where everyone was so confident in the Magic even though the Hawks showed during the RS they were a bad machup. The bulls have the best D in the league, they have a great coach and they have a young superstar, don’t tell me they can’t compete with the Heatles.

  • ThaWindy

    Rose is not the only player still playing that has been playing sense the summer.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    The Miami 2004 Lakers have some front running fans.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Atleast the Chicago Cavs don’t have an MVP who had a couple of suspect games at the most imortant time of the year. The same guy who jumped ship to team up with arguably the best SG in the game and a top 5 PF, for a team who’s fans have trouble showing up? And you’re calling Chicago fans suspect, GTFOH.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    LZ: yup, i be there. It’s a great place to live in, extended my stay here.
    I really dig reading Myung (welcome back) on SlamOnline. Always had great convos with him here.

  • ThaWindy

    Hate how pp try to discredit the RS.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Who said they can’t compete with the Heat….or anyone, Jahmai? YOU made that sh*t up to fester an argument. But if you think the way the first two rounds have gone thus far has the Bulls making ANY team in the league quake on fear of them….fear you Bullvalier fans touted just as the playoffs started, you’re soundly mistaken. RIGHT NOW, the Heat and the Mavs look to be peaking at the right time. Can that change? Of course. Will either of them sweep the Celts or the Lakers? F*ck no! But those two teams are outplaying and outclassing the last three NBA champions and last year’s finalists. The Bulls dispatched a sub .500 REGULAR SEASON TEAM (Shout out to you) and a Hawks team with absolutely ZERO expectations and to be honest, a shock that they got out of the first round. Think what you like….but you’re wrong.

  • http://slamonline.com Sergio

    Lakers in 6

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    We could also look at the Celtics beating the Heat 3-1 in the regular season, then the Heat dominating them in the real season, to show us that the regular season means very little.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jahmai….you’re 12:48 comment and Diesel’s 12:47 comment basically makes my argument for Cavulls fans stupidity for me. Thanks.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    And it is only 1-1 with the Hawks, going back to ATL.
    Also, didn’t the Lakers win the season series with the Mavs. The regular season does not mean as much as people think.

  • Myung

    Thanks, Dark. Great win for the Mavs last night. I predicted the Mavs would win this series, so they’re making me look good (I DO have them losing to OKC in the WCF though). I like the Mavs a lot (like I mentioned, my father in law lives in Dallas), and they also happen to have three of my favorite players of all time: Dirk, JT (one of my favorite former Hawks players of the past 20 years), and Kidd.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    and that the C’s are old.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Have no fear, when the Bulls try to tout the one-man show against the Heat, the silence in this comment section will be deafening.

    Your comment, that sounds to me like the Heat would be dominating the Bulls.

  • Myung

    Dark, I won’t be on here too often. First of all, no time (running a business and have two kids now, both of whom weren’t in my life back when I was really active on this site) and second of all, the whole site seems to have gone down hill a little bit. I don’t come on here because of time constraints, but simply put, I also don’t enjoy coming here anyway. A lot of name calling and childish behavior often over shadow real basketball talk.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Sigh…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    In my twisted little mind, yes that’s how I see the next series going. I didn’t ask for anyone to conspire with me to solidify it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Eboy, thank you, because of you I actually hate the Heat more than I normally would have. Therefore, a potential Bulls victory over the Heat in the ECF will be even sweeter.

  • JoeMaMa

    It’s pretty crazy that both the Grizzlies and Mavs are playing without their best wing man. I’m fairly certain that, should the Mavs win this series, Butler will be back. Does anyone know if Gay could be back for the Conference finals, should the impossible happen, the NBA finals? Also, a quick observation: Miami is playing great team ball right now. But if they get up against the Bulls, they’ll need Haslem to provide a tough interior presence. He’d be the Horace Grant to LeBron’s Pippen and Wade’s Jordan. (I have no idea who Bosh compares to…)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Who said they can’t compete with the Heat….or anyone, Jahmai? YOU made that sh*t up to fester an argument.

  • MLK4Life

    The Bulls and Heat would be a great 6 or 7 game series. DRose isn’t afraid of LeBron or Wade. He’s in the same stratosphere as those guys right now and he’s only in his third year in the league. Neither one can guard him. The Bulls play better defense than the Heat. LeBron and Wade won’t both be getting 30 a night against them. It’s going to be a great series to watch.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    i actually like miami, and no that’s not sarcasm.
    if it’s not the bulls in the finals, i’d be straight with the heat.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    bulls BARELY beat the heat in the regular season…BARELY by an average of like 5 points. these same celtics even without perkins were able to crush the heat by even more. but what’s happening now?…oh. if there’s one thing i’ve learned over the years it’s that the rs doesn’t mean shit when the playoffs come around. something certain people should’ve learned this year from the spurs and cp3(best pg in the league) now rose is tired, injured and ovbiously not quite as explosive….this is really not looking good for the bulls if they get the heat.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Rigo Suave has arrived!
    And I’m sorry for my predictions. I apologize.

  • vtrobot

    shout out to myung. best of luck to yr hawks, bro.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    you guys are tripping..have you forgotten the rs means nothing? smh the spurs and cp3(best pg in the league) should’ve reminded you. the celtics crushed the heat even without perkins last year…are they doing that now? oh… the bulls barely beat the heat in the rs too. and rose is injured and tired. the heat? not so much

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The regular season means and shows a lot. 1 Game or 4 games in the regular season mean absolutely nothing though because your not accounting for all the various variables that play into individual games. When you look at long stretches though it can tell a lot about a team and how they will do in the playoffs. For instance, average margin of victory in the regular season tends to show which teams will have the most success in the playoffs, and guess which teams lead the league in margin of Victory? Miami. — its not a rule or anything as teams that are already out of the playoffs like San Antonio were in the top 5 in margin of victory but the regular season does matter, and can show you a lot if your looking in the right places.

  • http://slamonline.com everything

    @MLK He cant guard either bron or wade as well. i mean, didnt jeff teague drop 20 on him?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Even though I’ve been talking all that sh*t about Chi-Mia, let’s focus on ATL first because it’s 1-1 and it’s not hard to imagine chicago coming back to the UC with the series tied 2-2 and anything could happen.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yeah, I meant to bring that up. How the hell did Jeff Teague just drop 20?
    I mean, WTH, Derrick Rose. I like Teague, but not that much.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And because of you and other stupid Bulls fans….well…except…for….uhm……well….the only fan that’s not annoying as fu*k like you is that clown Rigo Enigmatic Poncho Vila Rodriquez Gonzalez. Otherwise, your fanbase went from “it’s us against the world” to “it’s all about us ’cause the MVP is on our team and we had the best record in the league”. Yes, you sound EXACTLY like Cavs fans for the last 3 seasons. Great company to keep.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Yeah, Myung. I agree with your assessment there. Some name-calling was always part of commenting here, but the TPU comment section is a true battlefield of immaturity lately. Vendettas, cheap shots and know-it-alls are part of the daily roundup now. Actually thought it might get better when Spanny left last fall, no dice though.
    Not as fun as before, so i just ignore commenters i can’t stand reading.
    Smooth sailing now.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Drose doesn’t need to guard Bron, now he’ll probably guard Wade at times.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man, what actually happened to Cavs fans? They are like extinct around these parts. That’s crazy.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Myung, being “likable” on the internet isn’t exactly a big deal to me, as you can see. I don’t care about that. I’m not overly concerned with being likable in real life either, but surprisingly, I seem to be. Go figure…
    I have my friends, so I’m not exactly looking to pick up new ones.
    Also, I can only be me. I’m not trying to be Lang or anyone else. If you or anyone else doesn’t like me, that’s a personal problem. I have no desire whatsoever to get in the good graces of anyone here. That adds no value to my life. When I leave this site for the day, I’m not thinking of anyone here.

    If people want to accuse me of dragging the site down, so be it. I know that I’m not though. The ones who complain the most are the ones who need to have thicker skin.

  • JTaylor21

    Reading through the comments, I garnered up these “facts” from the so-called experts; Rose being tired is the reason why he’s shooting 37 freaking percent from the field in the playoffs (ludacris). It isn’t KB fault that the lakers lost last night even though the “closer” was no where to be found in the 4th qtr and people only use stats when it favors their argument but when it doesn’t; stats are for pu**ies.
    Boy, you’ve got to love the logic basketball fans use to credit their favorite player.

  • cuseburg

    @MLK4Life, yea and none of the bulls players can guard wade or lebron. Don’t know if I agree that the Bulls are playing better d right now.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Did y’all read J.A. Adande’s column on Kobe.
    I’m saying, we can all expect uber Kobe to surface in 3, 2, 1…

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I agree with the end of BC’s comment.

  • tom

    “Eboy Posted: May.5 at 9:24 am
    Shoutout to the homie, Darksaber….we’re about to bring back 2006 son!!!!!!!!!!”

    i like and cosigned!

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Eboy – all us Bulls fans are just playing characters that we’ve inveted for the web. We’re all rational people in real life.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Be careful what you write…
    Ha Ha, Kobe is going to go down ballin, I think.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Cosign all of Crawfish’s 1:08 comment.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I used to get called Rigo Suave a lot gorwing up.
    Pancho Villa was the sh*t.
    I’ma keep it a hundred, I love my Bulls, I’ve never abondoned them, never will.
    I thought Ron Mercer was the best player in the league when he was our top scorer and you couldn’t convince me otherwise. Ha.
    All that being said, if the Bulls and Heat were to face each other in a seven-game series with the way both teams are playing RIGHT NOW, the Heat would win. Convinvingly.
    That also being said, the Bulls and Heat aren’t playing each other at the moment, and when and if they do, things could be very, very different.
    Boozer might wake up. Rose might heal up and rest. The Heat might lose confidence like they’ve done sometimes throughout the season.
    The fact the Bulls brought them to tears in their last game might have caused some irrepearable psychological problems.
    Who knows.
    Regardless, I’ll still ride with them, like the slogan that one year, through thick and thin.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    “You too, Stein”
    Ha ha, Kobe should be playing out of his mind these next two.

  • http://slamonline.com everything

    @Allenp i saw that adande column. i kinda like what kobe said. it was something like, “if you want to make history, you have to do historic things.”

  • Myung

    BC, all fair points. But here’s one question, and I’m going to ask it anyway, even though I can probably figure out what you’re going to write back: if you weren’t so condescending and rude to people on The Post Up, don’t you think people would be more inclined to read your columns? I personally enjoy writing, and when I do post up a blog post, I actually WANT others to read it. Agree with me, disagree with me, but please just read it and give me some feedback. That’s how I feel. Who knows, maybe your columns get a lot of hits and maybe SLAM is thrilled that you’re on board and I can only speak for myself, but if I enjoyed YOU the BC persona a little more, I’d be more inclined to actually read your columns. Does that matter at all to you? Again, I can guess what your response will be… but man, that’s just strange to me that a writer like yourself could care so little about alienating people. I would never beg SLAM for a column, but if they ever graced me with one, I’d try my best to represent the brand and would want as many people as possible to read my posts. I’m not saying I’d be liked by everyone, but I also wouldn’t go out of my way to insult people either. BTW, I love the city of Chicago and the Bulls are my 2nd favorite team (I just named my son “Jordan”) so as you can see, I do have some desire to read pieces on the Bulls. I’m not petty enough to say I’ve never read your stuff (I have), but again, I do find myself ignoring most of them because I don’t enjoy the way you carry yourself on these boards.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    matic, remember the commercials for that slogan that year?
    they were talking bout KEVING GARNETT! and KOBE BRYANT! coming to the united center to sell tickets.
    cuz all we had was ron mercer and his smooth mid range jumper -_-

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    JT – Why would someone use stats that go against what they are arguing? When do people go against their argument ever anyway, in any situation? lol your logic is a little broken if you think people should use stats to argue with themselves.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Sure….like you’re 6′ 8″ 260 and are bigger than Lebron James who you stood next too and made no eye contact with because he was threatened by your mass. Got it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Ron Mercer was a BEAST that year, airs!
    LOL
    And I was wrong, Brand actually led the team in scoring, Mercer was second. That was the season before Brand was traded for Chandler, then Mercer, Artest and ‘em were traded for Jalen Rose.
    Then guess who became my favorite player? Jalen Rose!

  • MLK4Life

    DRose will guard Mario Chalmers. Bogans will guard Wade. Deng will guard LeBron. I also don’t see how Bryan has been rude to anyone on here, maybe some people are a little sensitive. If that’s the case, those people need to man up and grow a set. It’s basketball.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    The Bulls fanbase went from ‘it’s us against the world’ to ‘it’s all about us’. Your team went from ‘not 6, not 7′ to crying after the Bulls beat em in the regular season, yes, the mf regular season.

  • JTaylor21

    Isn’t time we give Dirk some well deserved credit for being one of the 5 best players of the last decade? Even without a ring, the guy has led the mavs to the playoffs every year without a legitimate second option and dominated numerous playoff series. He has to be right up there with Barkely, Stock/Malone, Baylor as the best players without a ring.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I have no idea who Eboy is talking to…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t know what ya’ll expect from Kobe. You think he is gonna pull a Dwyane Wade and win this series or something? The Lakers strength resides in their bigs, they are the key to the series. Kobe might win 1 game for LA, maybe.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jahmai….unless I’m in a timewarp, I’m under the assumption that the Heat are still in the playoffs with as good a chance to get the 1st or 6 or 7 or 9 or 14 titles that were talked about. I didn’t know they were ousted like a sack of Knicks and can’t live up to the overhype.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    haha! he actually had a personality so that was cool to see on the bulls.
    i was half hoping derrick was gonna pick number 5 when we drafted him so i can recycle my jalen jersey.

  • Diesel

    No just 6’5″..and not bigger just thicker….thats what she said.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    sack of knicks, i like that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Who it was meant for will know who it is, Don Francisco.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Comparing fanbases, I gotta admit Miami’s is much more annoying than Chicago’s.
    And I’d say that even if I wasn’t a Bulls fan.
    First of all, a good third of their fanbase were Cavs fans last year.
    Secondly, I don’t wanna hear sh*t about how passionate they are until they show up to games on time.
    “But there’s sooooo much going on in Miami!”
    Right, cause Chicago’s a dead one stoplight town…

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Sabado Gigante was the sh*t growing up too…

  • Diesel

    6’5″…..and not bigger…wider. Thats the real me. My internet character is only 5 foot 2

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Eboy, I don’t know how many times I’ve said the Heat are a great team, Lebron’s the best in the league and I just called Wade arguably the best SG. I just get defensive when people talk sh*t about Drose and the Bulls.

  • MLK4Life

    Shaq, Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, AI, KG…I wouldn’t call Dirk one of the 5 best players of the past decade. He’s close though.

  • JTaylor21

    Nbk Que? I said people find stats useful when they are trying to gas up their favorite player but when those same stats are used by someone else to point out that player’s shortcomings; stats’ are for pu**ies. You can’t use something only when it favors your argument but dismiss it when it doesn’t. Comprende?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    You shrunk three inches in a couple of weeks? Better get your protein shakes in order and some HGH to top it off.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Comprende, my bad I saw that one comment and drew a sh*tty conclusion.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Ricky Ricardo Gonzalez, what Heat fans are you referencing? You got a sh*t load of them in Alaska? You knew a bunch in Chicago? Or are you just talking about this place, where in essence, there are only two Heat fans….Cheryl and I. Everyone else is a Lebron Come Lately and there’s only about 2 or 3 of them to be real. Stop making sh*t up like Jahmai.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Myung, that makes sense. But I’m well past the point of caring if people read my stuff or not. Sure, I get that people may not like my “persona” and therefore refuse to read what I write, but I also think that’s childish and petty and again, it says more about them than it does about me.
    People here root against Chicago and Derrick Rose because of the way they feel about me. You think I don’t know that? But really, how stupid is that?
    I don’t care if my posts get 1 comment or 100. I don’t write for the numbers in the orange box.
    And when I’m out places, at different events, talking to people and whatnot, rest assured the SLAM brand is represented very well.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Back from lunch… Allenp, funny stuff that Dickens comment of yours made me really gay (as in jolly and cheerfull). Dark; I have a couple of questions regarding Singapore, hope you don’t mind. What is the level of living costs(high/low etc)? What are the people/culture like? and lastly I completely agree with Myung’s 1:19 comment (surprise, surprise…haha…).

  • JTaylor21

    5 best players of the past decade with decade being the key!!! So that automatically eliminates Bron and any other elite player with less than 10 seasons in the L. Also Dirk has surpassed AI in my opinion in terms of career achievements and all-time rank.

  • Diesel

    Nope same height. Ur just dumb and can’t read….or the character eboy can’t read

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And until you settle back in with Enigmatic, I’ll will be referencing you as famous Latin figure with variations on your name and screename going forward. This is going to be more fun for me than it is for you Ricky Martinmatic.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    JTaylor
    He had second options when he had Finley and Nash.
    And I think he’s finally starting to get over the stink from those GSW series, and his recent first round exits.
    But, top five in the decade? Nah, can’t see it.

    Kobe
    Garnett
    Duncan
    Iverson
    LeBron

    (And the only reason I left off Shaq is because he got old so fast.)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    Stop making shit up like me? You’re the one who said the silence in this comment section will be deafening when the Chicago Cavs take on the Heat, so unless you can look in the future you’re the one who’s making shit up.

  • http://Slamonline.com DatKid

    I’ma have to go ahead and cosign enig- RIGO and let’s be real..you other bulls fans know it too..which is why you deny it so vehemently. I disagree with that last part though…NOBODY is scared of the bulls anymore. I mean I love them but after that pacers series…Smh. Also I’m not counting the lakers or the celtics out just yet.. Not until they’re down 3-0.. The celtics maybe, but not the lakers Kobe and Phil prolly won’t go down like this

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    BTW, I just said something nice about the Heat and then you go and punk me like that?

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Woulda been funnier as “LeBroney Come Lately”.
    I got my reasons for prefering to use my real name on here, upon further review it crossed my mind that considering the whild sh*t I say on here at times, an alias would be nice.
    But, nah.
    You’ll run out of “Latin” figures before the postseason’s over. Ha

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man, how you gonna say that eliminates any player without 10 years in the league. That makes no sense.
    For the past decade, LeBron has been better than Dirk. Even without those three years.
    And as far as career achievements, AI wins, and as far as this past decade, AI still wins.
    Hell, you could even argue Wade if it weren’t for all the injuries.
    And I’m sure some Nash fans would say he was always better than Dirk.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Man, i’m fast becoming Slam’s ambassador for all things S’pore. First BC asks for tips for his bro who was here on business, then Philo needed some local bball advice, latest “client”, Lz.
    Got an e-mail adress i can send you some info to? Don’t wanna flood the comments with “Living in Asia” stuff.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I would take Dirk over Nash for the decade. And i’m wearing a steve nash t-shirt jersey underneath my collared work shirt. But I would also take Dirk over Iverson for the decade too.

  • izzo

    Important note: Allen hates white people.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Oh yeah, Dark did me that solid on hooking my brother up with info on S’pore and I appreciated it. He checked out a lot of his suggestions and enjoyed his stay.
    But that was back when me and Dark were still cool. He’s since blocked me on Twitter and I’m dead to him now. All good tho… No hard feelings. At least not on my end.

  • JTaylor21

    AllenP, I see where you’re coming from putting Bron over dirk but I’ve got to disagree with you. Dirk has been dominant for about 8-9 yrs, led his team to 50+ wins/playoffs 10 straight yrs and been to one finals while Bron has been dominant for about the past 7 yrs, been to the playoffs 6 times and was swept (that’s a big deal to me) in the finals. Remember I’m looking at the past decade not the past 8 yrs because if that’s the case Bron wins in a landslide but I feel dirk has been dominant for a longer period of time. Also what has AI done the past 3 yrs while Dirk’s still balling at an elite level?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    YOU IVERSON HATERS CAN ALL EAT A FAT ONE!!!!!!!
    Sorry, I don’t know what just happened it was like somebody else was typing there.
    NO IT WASN’T ALL OF YOU SUCK DONKEY BALLS YOU B*STARDS!!!!!
    Stop that, it’s understandable that some people will think that Dirk was a better player. He has a lot going for him.
    ONLY IF YOU ARE BLIND WITH NO BRAIN!!!!
    Ok, I can’t seem to control this, so I’m going to stop talking about it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Izzo FTW!

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    BC – good lookin’ out, as always.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Iverson was a better player, and had a better career. Didn’t you just discount Shaq because of how quick he fell off? Didn’t Iverson fall off, even faster? – And Iverson’s “prime” was from 1997-98 – 2007-08, roughly. Dirk’s was from 2000-01 to present.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Not “dead”, Bryan. Just not in the mood to get angry at your self admitted “provocative stance” on everything bball in here or on twitter. Don’t need the aggravation.
    Happy your bro could use some of the tips though.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And Dirk done took Gasol back to his Memphis days in this series.
    I don’t know how many of y’all watched that series, but I did, including the game when Dirk gave Gasol a Curtis Jackson.
    Gasol has never been able to deal with the Diggler, and Dirk is shockingly able to body him up in the post. I thought there were going to have to put Chandler on Gasol to protect Dirk, but nope, Diggler is handling his business on his own, which means Bynum can’t just kill them on the glass and with easy buckets.
    As much as I think Kobe needs to step up, it’s Gasol’s failures to win his individual matchup that are really hurting the Lakers. He should be working Dirk in the post.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh yeah, the Mavs were hesitant to let Dirk guard Lamarcus, but they threw him on Gasol right away. Is that because Bynum scares them more than Camby or because Aldridge scares them more than Gasol?
    You decide.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I do Dark, but I’ll rather not post it on here to be honest. Thanks anyway.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Hahaha, i love how AllenP’s shizophrenia kicked in there for a sec. Very enjoyable monologue to read.
    Man, i gotta get some sleep. Later Slamfam, was an interesting TPU; they all usually are to some degree.

  • JTaylor21

    I’m sorry but being consistently great for a longer period of time is huge in terms of all-time rank. Dirk came into the league in 98 and is still in his prime at the age of 32/13th season. With the way he plays and his ability to make shots over any defender, he’s one of those guys that could be 35-36 and still be playing at an elite level.
    I can’t say the same for AI.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    RigoMatic, it’s nothing. You already know…

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    word dirk was better than a.i…really? I was pretty young at the time..but no. my top 5? kobe,A.I.(shaq maybe) k.g./or T.D. Nash,Lebron. (wade would be in there but he’s been injured alot.) Dirk should really be in there but whatever..

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Lz: understood, dumb suggestion by me.
    Maybe via twitter? U there?

  • izzo

    Iverson didn’t fall off, he jumped off.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    DAMN YOU NBK!
    Well that is an interesting argument NBK. I would question whether Iverson fell off, or he was traded to a horrid team situation and then got blackballed by the League.
    DON’T BE REASONABLE WITH THESE BASTARDS. I REFUSE TO CONCEDE ANY GROUND IN THE IVERSON/DIRK DEBATE. THE DIGGLER IS TOO CLOSE
    I can see how folks would feel Dirk has done more, although I think those playoffs loses, like the one to the Hornets, were pretty horrible. Not to mention the epic collapse in the Finals and the horrid GSW debacle. I don’t know man, Iverson has his issues, but Dirk has quite a few of his own.
    TAKE THAT SUCKERS
    I am truly sorry people but it seems the more I discuss this the more irrational I become.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    I’ve said it, but I’ll keep saying it again: Dirk is underrated as f*ck.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    WHOA! allenP is an AI fanboy!
    its refreshing to know AllenP has an irrational side, i like this.

  • JTaylor21

    It hurts me to say this but AI was overrated the same way a certain chap in the windy city is.
    Yeah, I said it.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    artest will prove to help Lakers most by not being on the floor. this forced move will actually make lakers a better team, so until lakers lose 2 more games in this round, i’m not buying they won’t win it all.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol maybe Iverson did get “thrown off” or “tripped” by getting traded to Detroit. But really if he would have swallowed his pride (even though there was nothing to swallow he wasn’t being “demoted” per say, his role was just changing) and come off the bench behind Hamilton he could have reinvented himself. Infact I firmly believe that if he was open to taking a lesser role in 08 he would be the PG of the Heat right now instead of the sarcastic joke that hails from Turkey.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    AllenP: high comedy.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    JTaylor I basically think your just trolling for confrontation a lot of the time that you post on here.

  • http://klatschendom.wordpress.com/ Speedy

    @Lz – Cphfinest3
    You have a good point with Pau and his motivation.
    I see it the same way.
    If your leader says after a lost game:
    I did what I do.
    and basically giving the blame to his team is crazy.
    I remember how Jordan always tried not to ballhog to much and get everybody involved.
    He did that to let the team be intact.
    Kobe doesn’t.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    i mean yeah jtaylor but dirk is like 7ft..and big men last a hell of a lot longer than guards because you know..it’s easier to play ball when your a goddamn giant. lol

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    cosign @nbk.
    and im a big AI fan as well, but you probably could have guessed that

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Dark, if there is no bad guy, then there is no balance.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    kenobie your referring to d.rose right?

  • showtime

    No way in Hell has Dirk done more than A.I….To me it even grown till dirk when something. Untill a player is best player in the universe in their era. Don’t mention with A.I. please from 1997 – 2002 best player in the business.

  • JTaylor21

    I could see that AI and Rose fans are cut from the same cloth, the over-sensitve, PMSing cloth.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    AI could have been so much more, and that fact sort of diminishes his all-time worth, even though it shouldn’t. AI and Dirk is a close one. One had a higher prime at times reaching the level of the greatest of the greatests, the other, an extended prime spanning an entire decade plus.
    All I know is, BOTH were underappreciated.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He would suck as the point guard for the Heat. He would kill as the sixth man for the Spurs or Grizzlies.
    AIRS I’ve been an AI fanboy forever. Didn’t you read my eulogy of his career a while back on here?
    All jokes aside, the main reasons I’m holding AI as having a better career than Dirk or that he almost always had less help, and he never got punked.
    That’s all I have now. Dirk is rapidly gaining on Iverson and sadly, thanks to Iverson’s flameout, I know he will likely pass him before the end of his career, UNLESS he comes through with EPIC collapse against the Lakers and protects my dawg’s legacy. I’m torn between wishing for that collapse and wanting to see Kobe have an uber fail.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    kenobie your referring to d.rose right? For a second i thought you meant mj and then i realized that was insane. if so your wrong dammit… a.i>d.rose and it’s not close.

  • showtime

    & no way 24-10-6 a good game when u take 27 to 30 shots & have a ton of turnovers (eight).its decent just when a certain guard in OKC has the same stat line. Its decent. needs to be better

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    AllenP of all the people that know about Iverson please don’t tell me you forgot how effective he is as a PG with players he likes to pass too? (Check the All Star games – seriously) – He would have been an obvious defensive liability, and would hurt spacing as a shooter but assuming he kept his head on straight for the last 2+ years I would assume he would work on the J with the coming old age. – And I realize the All Star game is a showcase and the players aren’t really trying to win like they do in a normal game, but he shows his passing ability, and willingness to be unselfish when he has high level talent around him.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    jtaylor, you are truly a gem. national treasure almost!
    hypocrisy at its finest folks, jtaylor saying others are oversensitive.
    ain’t nobody say sh*t TO YOU most of the time and you make some smart a*s comment about it.
    but hey, we need a bad guy, if only to play judge and jury

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    and next time, please feel free to actually ADDRESS who you’re talking to. ive seen you fail to do that many times.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    BC: but you are NOT from the dark side. We had a cool bond, as much as one can have via fiber optics, but it seems you have become this irrational, frothing-at-the-mouth expert without the capacity to accept any other opinions on this sport.
    I’ve been playing organised ball since ’88, and i still learn new bball tidbits daily. U just act like this Moses of Bball nowadays, differing opinion be damned (or be condescedingly put down).
    I find this stance perplexing from a guy i truly enjoyed writing to via twitter, Slamonline, etc.
    So, instead of getting into it with you every day, i chose to stay away from your comments. Believe me, it’s hard at times. When Lz started going at you, took all my control to not butt in.

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    That’s right, keep sleeping on the Cavs. No but for real, keep sleeping on the Cavs.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    @nbk – Once you realized it was an All Star game, you should have stopped your train of thought right there.
    I’m an Iverson fan too, and his passing ability is underrated. But willingness to pass is another huge part of it. AI needs the ball in his hands. He will pass to open spot up shooters and other decent role players capable of making shots. He can’t, however, be a point guard who only shoots 6 shots a game while swinging the ball to Wade and LeBron every other possession. That’s not his game. at all.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    Anton with the truth as always.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Dark; yeah I am on Twitter. but it kind of gives away my e-mail… What is your handle; I’ll add you immediately. Ohh and Dirk over AI. As much as I love AI, Dirk has been better overall career wise imo. Very close though.

  • JTaylor21

    Well seeing that I said AI and Rose fans, it shouldn’t be that hard to comprehend but I guess that’s what happens when “a child is left behind”.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    tealish – i realize he would have to play a whole different game. Mike Bibby’s game wasn’t to stand in one spot and shoot 3′s until he got old. Jason Kidd was never a spot up shooter, and was never supposed to be, until he got old. Kevin Garnett has turned into a spot up shooter who doesn’t rebound or bang in the post at all really and that wasn’t the case, until he got old. Players game adapt, its the nature of the beast. And like I said, if Iverson would have just accepted that he was aging (by taking an off the bench role in detroit) he may have been able to adapt, improve his jumpshot, and accept that he can be an effective player without shooting 20/15/even10+ shots a game.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    AllenP getting his Smeagel on…

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    its like you throw insults under your breath.
    oh and im talking to you, jtaylor, to be clear.
    the only way you can receive attention is by making dumba*s statements half the time.
    but hey, you do you.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Dark, I accept all opinions that differ from mine, but at the same time, am I not entitled to disagree and or have my own opinions? You’re a good dude and I have no beef with you, but you jumped on the “Anti-BC” bandwagon and started taking shots. Whether we’re cool or not, I can’t let that ride. So I took shots back.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Dark what you describe there is called getting big-headed. I think I will follow the same path as you do and just stay away from BC’s comments in the future. Don’t know if I have the same control though hehehe…

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    man, myung was right.
    imma take a SLAMonline hiatus. peace y’all

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t think Iverson could have changed his game that much. And I’m not sure he would have been effective if he changed his game that much.
    Jason Kidd was always a better passer and had a better understanding of the point guard position. Plus, he can still play decent defense on slower guards.
    Bibby was always a shooter. Sure he drove sometimes, but he has always been a jump shooter.
    Iverson improved his jumper a LOT over the course of his career until he had one of the best mid-range games in the League at one point, but he was never been the cat you want running a traditional offense. He’s not all that comfortable shooting from the standstill. Plus, I’m not sure he would have been willing to dot he little things to be successful without scoring and touching the ball.
    Now, I could be wrong. Dude was a decent teammate in Philly and wasn’t selfish. But I wonder what he brings to the table in Miami that they really need.
    Now, I can see clearly what he gives the Spurs off the bench. But he refused to be a bench player.

  • JTaylor21

    Word? Bravo! that was your daily fix of playing the tough guy role, now go back to fighting with your feminine side.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Well see there is where our opinions differ. I don’t see Miami as a traditional offense, in any way. And I don’t see Miami as a team that really “needs” anything from a PG. I mean they did start with Carlos Arroyo and people were on here talking about how good his jumper looked and how good of a job he was doin, you remember that? And he got cut from the team. We can all agree that Iverson is far and away a more talented, smarter basketball player then Carlos Arroyo right? I don’t see why a world class basketball player like Allen Iverson wouldn’t be able to figure out how to contribute to a team like Miami. I definitely could be, and probably am wrong, but I would have taken that bet if I were Miami and Iverson showed a willingness to adapt.

  • http://www.nba.com Gman

    isnt Rose walking on 2 ankle sprain.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    airs gonna take his talents to Dime again.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    BC: fair enough. I’ll admit i let my irritation get the better of me and started lobbing subliminals at you, culminating in the ASW-Showdown we had. For that passive aggressive stance, i apologise.
    Not anti-Bryan Crawford btw, just anti-guy who goes searching for old comments to put others down in his arguments (amongst other obvious tactics). You bear a mean grudge, man. And i can too;
    So as i said then and today: i have since decided to stay away from your daily comment wars here.
    It’s just bball, don’t wanna get mad daily on my only bball online outlet.
    Far as i’m concerned, we cool.
    You Bron-Hater, you. ;-)

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Wouldn’t Miami be amazing playing the triangle? What Iverson could have done to prolong his NBA career in a meaningful way, was to accept less minutes and coming off the bench. If he did that he wouldn’t even have to change his game all that much. 15-25 minutes depending on match-ups of full throttle AI off the bench, could help just about every team. He was too stubborn though…

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Btw. Lz, my twitter handle is B_Ballistics.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    I think we should all use our government names one day and then guess is who is who based on comments. That would make work go by so fast!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LZ
    Don’t I know it. It’s my biggest grip with him, along with taking so long to improve his jumper and consistently shirking practice.
    Foolish pride is what held me together through all the years I wasn’t felt, which is why I never played myself…
    It worked for Jay, not so much for Iverson.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    F*ck that.
    I love pulling up old comments in arguments on here.
    Keeps everyone on their toes.
    I do it knowing fullly that the same tactic can easily be used against me, and I done said some dumba** sh*t on here myself.

  • JTaylor21

    Also for all those laker fans booing and criticizing Gasol for his recent struggles; find the nearest bridge and jump!!!!
    Sitting there booing the one guy that turned the franchise around, was the biggest reason for the lakers winning 2 chips in a row and the reason why lakers fans can walk around talking so much ish is downright foolish. Any other fan base would kill for a chance to have a guy like Gasol but it seems like La la land is always quick to turn on big men. Same ish happening with Gasol happened with Shaq.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    JT. Stop. C’mon son. BIGGEST?. Tallest, maybe. Phil and Kobe are much bigger reasons for the championships.
    Is Pau important? Duh.
    But so are Lamar and D. Fish.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Co-Sign Nick Fleming.
    But y’all will NEVER guess who I am!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Memphis didn’t kill to have Gasol. They shipped his butt out with the quickness.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Dark, I was repeatedly called a “gangbanger” on here a few weeks ago based on comments I made, so I have no remorse whatsoever, based on his own suspect comments, in calling Lz a fa..er, gay… No Kobe.
    I don’t rock with dude like that and if he and I never had another exchange, I wouldn’t be mad at all. And I hope that sentiment is reciprocated.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    What JTaylor’s trying to say, I think, is that Phil and Kobe weren’t winning chips again until Pau showed up.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bron let’s this sh*t get too personal. I love this motherfu*ker, but you let cats get in your head. I’d have you talked out of your game in about 3 possessions if we hit a court, kid. #wordtooldmangameyoucantstopmeyoucanonlyhopetobeme:)

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    :)

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Nah, I think he gets in these cats’ heads.
    How many times one of them come out with some “you’re a meanie” comment on here?

  • JTaylor21

    Okay, so I guess the lakers and kobe must have been pilling up trophies after Shaq left and before Gasol arrived, oh wait…..
    Nick, stop it slime. The kobe/Pjax led laker squad before gasol; missed the playoffs once and lost to the juggernaut PHX Suns twice in the first round. The past 3 seasons with Gasol led to 3 straight finals appearance and 2 chips. Do the math as to who’s the biggest reason for such a quick change of fortune.

  • JTaylor21

    I honestly no more about slang then basketball.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Sometimes, you just have to let the elderly talk. They’ve earned the right to do so. Ain’t that right, E?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m sorry I get Taylor’s information like every single day, sooner or later I just wanted to post something.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    @Chi Chi Rodriquez….but I’m saying, Bron is in a spot a ton of cats would like to be in….if anything, he should be understanding if some dudes are jealous, a bit over the top in their disdain for him and really, for all the years I’ve been here (from the jump)there use to be a ton of writers that interacted (very few do at all any more) and Bron keeps that bond open (unless he threatens retirement again like Mike for the third time)so if he truly is reppin’ the brand like he said it he does in the real world (which we know he does)why not let it permiate here? He’s got the following. People want to hear what he says, but once you start venturing off into territories that breach the personal side of sh*t, I would think you’d scale back a bit on the “whatever” act. He knows he’s my dude, and I got him regardless, but like Myung said, if any old schmoe could be afforded the same opportunity, I think a whole bunch of us would change their facades to correlate. Props to him for staying real to himself, but I CAN see other dudes points. We all don’t have thick skins that words and their interplay don’t get us down for more than a comment or 15.

  • MLK4Life

    Past decade is the past ten seasons because a decade is ten years for those who aren’t in the know…So starting from the 2000-2001 season…
    Shaq
    Kobe
    Duncan
    LeBron
    AI
    You can make a solid argument for KG.
    AI’s reign was from the 1998-1999 season to the 2007-2008 season with the 03-04 season being his worst. Dirk indeed had a healthy and in his prime Michael Finley and Steve Nash who was headed into his prime before they let him go to Phoenix.
    @JTaylor
    It’s clear that either you did not watch AI play or you simply are incapable of recognizing great basketball players when you see them. How was AI overrated? The man is 5’10 150 pounds and until he was traded to Detroit, he had a career average of 27.7 PPG. He carried the Sixers on his back to the Finals and won a game in LA with Dikembe Mutombo as his second best player. What’s overrated about that? Smarten up son. DRose is a great player and is the MVP. AI is one of the best two guards to ever play and is without a doubt, the best little man to ever lace up a pair of sneakers. Face it. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
    AI had a problem coming off the bench behind Rodney Stuckey, not Rip. And Rip had the same problem and voiced his displeasure, but because he didn’t have the past that AI had, no one faulted him for it. You can’t fault Iverson for not wanting to play behind a shooting point guard with no jumpshot in Stuckey.
    DRose isn’t shooting the ball well…he’s in a shooting slump which he admitted last night after the game. He turned the ball over too much. But the Bulls are winning. He’s contributing and doing what needs to be done to continue winning. That’s truly all that matters. Anyone who wants to nitpick at stats or throw around the “overrated” tag on players who on a nightly basis do or did the things that blazed a trail for others to come behind them need a reality check.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Darn he already have me tempted. Bryan Crawford just to clear one thing up; I called you a ‘tough Chi-Town semi-gangster that will break down people on the courts or throwing fists’ making fun of the tough guy image you like to portray. I only started calling you a gangbanger after you responded like this:
    ‘That won’t ever change. And you can also take off the “semi” too. What you see in the comment section is what you get in real life. I’m extremely confrontational if the situation calls for it. That’s just how I roll.’ You who dictated to drop the ‘semi’ hence you wanting to be called a gangster. So don’t go and justify the childish homophobic insinuations you make with me calling you a gangster, you yourself asked for that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Actually I used to have an issue with how Crawford would go at people and jump to use insults. Now from what i’ve seen he only does that in defense of himself. ANd knowing that he is a writer for Slam, I give props to him for being willing to take the criticism from people here (most the time I don’t feel its deserved, anymore) and still be cool enough to speak his mind and engage in arguments and discussions about any basketball topic, even ones that pertain to his own work. Most writers don’t do that, or aren’t willing to, and I really wish they were. It was a more lively debate on a daily basis here when I first started posting and writers like Marcel-Myles-Russ were consistently engaging in the comment section.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Was Gasol the only change? Let’s be serious. I’m more reliable than Smush Parker.
    Yes, Pau made a huge difference, but take Kobe away and put in an average SG and they aren’t stacking championships.
    Pau is mad important, but that’s like saying Jesus or KG was more important to the Celtics than The Truth.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    nbk….all those guys took their talents elsewhere ’cause they hated the way people either a)mistook their generosity of commeting to us for granted and would talk down to them in a way that didn’t benefit them or their work (I was guilty of that at times) and b)eventually people just got too comfortable with them and acted like they “knew” them and started making it a bit uncomfortable for them to continue being involved. It didn’t help that a lot of times comment section re: a specific top didn’t stay on point for more than a couple of dozen comments and that kind of added salt to the wound too.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I f*ckin’ hate To Wong Foo…
    Blade, Benny Blanco and Jed Eckert in drag. WTF…
    Anyways, if that’s how dude is, then that’s how dude is. You want him to change his way of being so some guys can feel better about themselves?
    And like Sooper said, he only goes at cats when they go at him first.
    How many times we clowned someone who wrote a piece on here and he ain’t have nothing to say?
    Remember the “Diary of a Mad Black Duke Whatever” piece?
    I woulda loved if dude had verbally sparred with us on here.
    We get that from BC but some can’t take it I guess.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    *specific topic

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Iverson had a problem coming off the bench behind Mike Conley too. Just to be clear.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Real talk, E… Besides Lz and JTaylor, I don’t really have beef with anybody like that. Most people pay me no attention, but those 2 seem to want my attention and you know me, I’ll oblige.
    But seriously, I’m an outsider. Guys have been around far longer than I have. So it’s real clique-ish around here. I don’t want to be in anybody’s clique… Except for yours because you’re the Mayor of South Beach!

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Iverson?
    We talkin’ bout Iverson?
    Maaaaaann…we talkin’ bout Iverson!
    Nah, just playing…

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Y’all know you wanna be down with my clique too.
    Don’t lie.
    Anchorage, Alaska – paradise, son.

  • JTaylor21

    NBK, you sure you wanna play that game with me?
    Let’s act like adults on here instead of using other people’s name to talk BS, Está bien?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bron…I already told you if you make it down here…sh*t will get hot. South Beach will do that to you. @Tito Fuentes….If we all make a pilgrimage to Alaska, can you show us where Russia is…or at least get us a view of Bristol Pallin’s bedroom.

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Rigo, Mario Chalmers or Derrick Rose? Pick the wrong one and you’ll be shipped back to the Chi.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    What’s with all the spanish talk, JTaylor?
    Hope it’s not in celebration of Cinco de Mayo, cause like I said yesterday –
    F*ck Cinco de Mayo.
    F*ck Corona too.
    And f*ck that Ice Cube Coors Light commercial. Really, son?

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Alaska! Where the sun never sets on a bad ass. It goes months without rising, too!

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Bristol Palin? Dirty old man…

  • JTaylor21

    “want your attention”? Hysterical, someone has an inflated view of himself. Who knew that dude loved himself more than he loved blooming roses.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Real talk, I live 15 minutes away from the Palin household.
    Bristol ain’t sh*t though. You gotta wait for that Willow chick to turn 18. She’s what’s up.
    AllBall – Mario Chalmers

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Chalmers cause you said pick the wrong one and I get shipped back to the Chi.
    Chalmers is definitely the wrong one cause it’s all about ROSE all day every day.
    So I can be shipped back home now??

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    And to make one thing clear; I also think that it is cool BC engages with the readers. Truth be told I also think BC has above average bball knowledge. I just don’t like the attitude and the writing. But that is just my opinion. I reckon that many people like it and that is cool.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Oh, I had a Torta for lunch today, RigoMatic. My bad… I was trying to be all festive like when I had BBQ on MLK Day.

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, dejar de actuar. Es probable que tenga cuernos en su camión.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    wanna play what game taylor? I get your information, literally, daily. I posted as you and immediately admitted it was me. Play whatever game your threatening, there is nothing you are/can do here to make me uncomfortable. My bad if that really made you angry though. — Eboy I remember them all leaving right around the same time, and I too was part of the go-at them crowd, but I went at everyone, I didn’t even realize a couple of them were writers for a little while. But I wish we could go back to how it was then, there were more regulars, less stupid conflict, and more basketball talk.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Seriously Rigo, there can’t be a more helpless feeling than living in effing Alaska!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Agree nbk… Ohh the good old days.

  • JTaylor21

    NBK, the same ish happens on my side. I see your info daily but unlike you I don’t go posting BS under someone else’s name.
    esa mierda no es fresco!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t care if you do lol I know all about the issues in this commenting section. If you post as me and actually try and pass it off like it really is me i’ll say something but I won’t really care. I think my commenting “style” is obvious enough that if we all had the same name I would still be identifiable. Post as me away!

  • izzo

    You’re a sensitive lot.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    It’s got it’s good qualities up here, no doubt.
    The summers are straight up bomb.
    But, well let me tell you, tortas are my favorite food in the world.
    And I ain’t had one since I last lived in Illinois in May of ’09.
    At Los Comales in Elgin! Great food!
    They got several in the Chi, I highly recommend them, BC.

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Hollinger PER Hollinger myfadeawayissooper Hollinger PER Hollinger WHAP-A-SAURUS!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    BC; I really don’t want your attention. Take a look at how you responded to my initial comment on today’s Post Up – It goes both ways it seems, looks like it is you who is looking for some kind of reaction bringing up all the old stuff from post ups and comments from the past – I made a comment about basketball (and what imo was excuses for Rose’s sub-par play), I didn’t get into some rant about your writing, attitude or whatever I have criticized in the past. Like I said some days (weeks?) back, let us just leave this stupid feud alone. I don’t care for you, you don’t care for me but really who cares. People come here to read about bball and in the end we both comes here to discuss basketball, so let us do just that. Don’t you agree that is the mature solution?

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    My beef with the Cinco de Mayo holiday is that it’s not that big a deal in Mexico. The Mexicans defeated the French in a battle. That’s it.
    But Chicanos up here who have never stepped one foot in Mexico love to bust out their banderas and go “flagging” in huge caravans and starting their own impromptu parades, not knowing what the hell they’re celebrating.
    Plus the beer companies capitalize of that sh*t and promote the hell out of the “holiday” that isn’t really a holiday.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I see “As the World Turns” has found a new home.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Hol’ up, you mean Taqueria Los Camales? Man, I already know! They have one by my crib. It’s fantastic.

  • Bruno

    jtaylor stop messin around with the google translator

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Yup. That’s the one.
    Them cats do it right.
    These dudes up here ain’t got a clue.
    Most of the “Mexican” places up here ain’t even got torta on their menu.
    I found one place that did, they used sandwhich bread!
    And they ain’t have no japenos!
    Damn, I’m getting hungry now…

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    However you want to play it, LSH. *wink*

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    *jalepenos.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics Byebye

    @Datkid the bulls beat the heat by a combined total of 5 points labron didn’t ay in the first gm bosh missed the whole sec half of the game

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Hahaha Good detective work Mr. BC, again who is giving who attention *wink*

  • JTaylor21

    culpable de los cargos

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    nbk Posted: Mar.11 at 4:36 pm
    Allen I have been saying all year that Dallas is the only team in the West with more then a 25% chance of beating the Lakers in a series – in the name of digging up old comments, I would like to gloat.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Hey, man, I just like to know who I’m talking to, thats all. You couldn’t hide behind that screen name forever.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    That I can understand, I would feel the same way. but really nobody was hiding. You could just have asked, and I would have answered you. Seriously. Remember I have talked openly about what I do etc. Have I not?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    You have… But I’m far more interested in who you are. Now that I know, I’m good.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Man, I hope no one on here ever finds out what MY real name is…

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    You and I both Rigo.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rigo “Matic” Gonzalez is under the impression that we don’t know he’s really George Lopez.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Dirty Sanchez???

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Eboy knows I’m not George Lopez.
    Cause he knows how I feel about George Lopez…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lol oh yeah its like that about Lopez? My bad lol — are you saying your Carlos Mencia?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Felipe Lopez then?

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Carlos Mencia is the worst comedian ever.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Dirty Sanchez? Let me find out you’re the camera man on the Bang Bus, E!

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Co-sign Nicolas Fleming!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Triple co-sign, but I was flat-out of mexican comedians. Unless you count that one guy the “fluffy” guy, idk his name though, and I doubt Rigo is 5’10 400LB’s lol

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I don’t know Carlos Mencia but he has to seriously suck to be worse than that carrot-hat fella.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Mencia ain’t Mexican.
    And Julio Iglesias is hilarious!

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Whoops.
    I meant Gabriel Iglesias.
    JULIO Iglesias is a straight up pimp.
    Wouldn’t be surprised if he had already tapped Anna Kournikova before his son did. lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Mencia isn’t mexican? There are a lot of mexicans out here in phoenix whose hearts are going to be broken when they find out their hero is a poser.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Favorite comedian, go. Mitch Hedburg.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Eddie Murphy.
    The 1980′s version.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dave Chappelle or Louis C.K.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Sooper, if any Mexicans out there think Mencia is Mexican, kindly slap them for me please. Thanks.
    Also, if you can, smack the sh*t outta Jan Brewer for me. Thanks again!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Co-Sign Rigo. Eddie in RAW-form is undefeated, R. Pryor was pretty tough as well.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Pryor was the OG.
    Without him, there is no Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, none of them cats.
    But Pryor was before my time.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I would actually like to slap our entire government to be honest with you, i’m sick of being lied to. — I listened to a lot of Richard Pryor he’s funny but doesn’t really appeal to my modern (that’s what I call it) sense of humor.

  • JTaylor21

    Two words; Pablo Francisco!

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    “Little Tortilla Boy” is classic sh*t!

  • Bruno

    first time I’ve ever heard the name of Carlos Mencia, I’m not mexican but latino represent!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Jukai

    George Lopez is the man. He’s hilarious. What’s your beef with him E?

  • izzo

    Okay, whoever’s posting as Jukai, stop it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Word. Someone posting as Jukai and the link not being “sfdjklf”-dot-com is suspect.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Delirious is better than RAW

  • http://slamonline.com Jukai

    It is me. Slam had nbk’s info up here. I just changed the name. Rushing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    cosign that sentiment. Delirious is Eddie Murphy’s best stand up. Supposedly he is getting back into stand-up, has anyone else heard that?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    It’s probably JTaylor21. Dude, grow up or go back to the sandlot.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    As for George Lopez, I mean, dude’s aight.
    Just he’s been saying the same jokes for years now.
    He needs to come with it.
    And he sucks, absolutely SUCKS at doing interviews on his show.

  • JTaylor21

    Never been a fan of eddie murphy. Don’t know why but dude isn’t that funny to me. John Witherspoon, Bernie Mac, and Paul Mooney are all better.

  • JTaylor21

    NBK, my name ain’t cojones so keep it out your mouth, gilipollas!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Yall must have forgot who Chris Rock is.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Chris Rock must have forgot who Chris Rock is.
    Dude stopped being funny around Lethal Weapon 4.
    Though to be fair, Eddie Murphy stopped being funny way before that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dave Chapelle will eventually be remembered as the goat of comedy, just as T Baby will be remembered as a pioneer of 21st Century rap.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    wasn’t me buttercup

  • http://slamonline.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Slam, ya’ll gonna see me around for a while!

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Because it’s sooooooooo cooooooooold in the D, right fake nbk?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    neither was that 6:33 comment. Weird though, that’s the second time this person who’s obsessed with “T-Baby” has commented under my name.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The T Baby sh$t is Jtaylor.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    haha he’s posting under my name and then talking sh*t to himself? lol

  • JTaylor21

    Is not!

  • http://www.slamonline.com unf*ckwitable

    Stick a fork in the Lakers cause they done. Also Kat Williams is funny as hell.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    How the fcuk do we ‘posed to keep peace?

  • JTaylor21

    buttercup? someone got a little too much sugar in their tank.
    Eboy, my name isn’t D wade, so keep it out your mouth, chazzer!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    JTaylor trotten around in an “i am frustrated about something so i’ma act hard on the internet” t-shirt on. I hope it didn’t shrink in the washer, but if it did, that explains why your extra “sensitive” today.

  • izzo

    Wow this place has really gone down the sh*tter, hasn’t it?

  • JTaylor21

    Oh please, you’re just obsessed with me Stat Boy. I don’t get down like you No.1 Boy Kisser

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Mad people seem “extra sensitive” on here today.

  • izzo

    I wish we could back to the old days. Where’s Omar? Ryan? Instead we have guys like nbk, zoom, and bulls22

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t see the Bulls seriously challenging Miami for the conference finals crown. I think it’s pretty certain that we’ll see a Miami/LA or Miami/OKC finals.

  • JTaylor21

    Nbk, good one. How long did it take you to come up with that earth shattering joke?
    “first you don’t succeed, dust yourself off and try again, try again”

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    What JTaylor @ 7:01 said.
    Except in regards to YOUR 7:01 comment, not whatever the hell he’s referring to.

  • http://www.slamonline.com unf*ckwitable

    I cant even keep up with the daily beefs on here. It makes my head hurt. @Nbk im beginning to feel the Bulls will not be much of a threat to the Heat in the conference finals as much as it pains me to admit because out of the teams left im rooting for the Bulls.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    7:01 wasn’t me. I’ve already said the conference finals in each conference is taking place right now. So that is clearly not me

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    It took me however long it took to type it taylor, I don’t waste any time thinking of things to say to you. That’s like measuring how your gonna respond to a peanut

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    Yes, it has Izzo. We are all in to the knees…

  • http://slamonline.com Eboy

    Last post before I get out of here, I think JTaylor is one marble short of a full deck but let up on him nbk. Let’s squash this until Mon, when I can gloat about the Heat’s 3-0 lead! :-D

  • JTaylor21

    This sh*t is like the twilight zone.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Lol i’m actually on my way out of the office, and i will be gone for the rest of the day. So whoever does post under my name isn’t me, hopefully they entertain you guys. later y’all

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    I still wanna know who unf*ckwitable is.
    Since I fathered your name and all.
    You ain’t the ol’ dirty bastard, yo!
    LOL

  • http://www.danchamb.com.br Lz – Cphfinest3

    If Dallas take LAL (I belive they will) they will go to the Finals and meet the Heat. Thunder will have huge problems with guarding Dirk (no, Ibaka is not the answer), have Marion to chase Durant around and Kidd, Terry, Stevenson, Brewer to slow Westbrook. This Dallas team look very good on both ends when focused. I think the Heat will win the ring, hoping for Chicago – but they are not getting past the Heat. When Bulls go out, I’ll be cheering for Dirk. Durant & Westbrook will get their rings later on, Diggler deserves a ring imo.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    Damn, slam is cold. It’s colder than it is in the D. Eboy is a girl. Nbk is a lady. Enigmatic is a fruit. JTaylor is a baby btcich. I am a dragg queen. Just like T-Baby said, T-Money is my honey.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I had a bad dream last night… DALMAV made it to the western conference finals, and choked losing to MEMPHIS (king of a cindarella story up in here) who went on to play the HEAT…who sweep Grizzlies by an average of 18 a game. cold sweats.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Sensitive Internet Thugs need hugs today. Just kidding

  • http://slamonline.com The Ambassador

    LOL con todos los chistes de espanol.

    Rogo Gonzalez= Pablo Estrada!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com melvin ely

    Bill Hicks. That is all.

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Of the newGen of comedians, Kevin Hart makes me roar with laughter.
    “Say it with YOUR CHEST!”

  • T-Money

    Rigo is actually Mario Lopez.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Ha!

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    We should all meet at a central location and fight.

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