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Friday, May 27th, 2011 at 2:00 pm  |  201 responses

Scottie Pippen: ‘LeBron May Be The Best Player Ever’

Speaking on ESPN Radio Friday morning, Bulls legend Scottie Pippen did the unexpected, declaring LeBron James may be the greatest basketball player ever, even moreso than his running mate Michael Jordan. You can bet that many Bulls fans are both shocked and outraged.

“Michael Jordan is probably the greatest scorer to play the game,” Pippen said. “But I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game because he is so potent offensively that not only can he score at will but he keeps everybody involved. You have to be on your Ps and Qs on defense. No guy on the basketball court is not a threat to score with LeBron James out there. Not only will LeBron dominate from the offensive end as well, but he’s also doing it on the defensive end which really makes him the complete package. He’s able to get in those passing lanes, shoot those gaps and create transition opportunities where he is pretty much unstoppable.”

Is this blasphemy, or does Pippen have a point here? What’s your take?

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Silly, ugly man.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Let’s stay with something like the SLAM Top 500 player list for rankings for most of the top 25 talents in history and let it be.

  • Bostonballer

    Dude is getting those headaches again…..lol

  • http://WWW.SLAMONLINE.COM Benn0

    LONG LIVE LEQUEEN !!!

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    ah, and now the floodgates shall open.

  • bull22

    i love pippen, hate the hate but respect lebron’s game, but i think pippen is overreaching here because jordan never crash and burned the way lebron did before he came to the heat…

  • MUBWAR

    from talking ish all season to praising the man. Make your mind dude

  • JTaylor21

    I would be jealous too if they gave me a small a** statute and gave the other guy a big a** statue in front of UC for everyone and they mama to see.

  • marc

    My uncle once told me michael is not the greatest player he said oscar robertson was. So i still dont think lebron is either but he sure is going to be he is still young which is kind of scary.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Pip’s clarification tweet makes this much easier to swallow. As would a parenthetical “eventually” in the headline.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Ha! lol JTaylor you failed to mention that Jordan’s status is him dunking on someone looking cool as ever.

  • marc

    jtaylor21 lmaoooo that was too funny

  • JTaylor21

    MJ never crashed and burned, really? Tell that to the 88-90 Detroit Pistons or to the 86-87 celtics that plowed over MJ or better yet those big, bad 85 Bucks squad that stomped all over the bulls.
    Yet again another MJ fabrication; he never lost in the playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    Thanks Ryan Jones, that was a good laugh. “For those of you that don’t know, I played the game you keep watching and cheering”

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    @JTaylor 6 championships erase any history of growing pains, no one knows that there was a league before 1991. Jordan not a winner? Never..

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    JT’s right, mj “struggled” for 7 years

  • http://www.nba.com Gman

    I dont think he did crash in the sense he always tried to will his team.

  • youngmuggsy

    Page 1 of the retired former star playbook:
    Make sensationalist statement to remain relevent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/polito69 Paul

    LeBron is the greatest player All Time. hes way more player than MJ. MJ like Pipen said, hes a better scorer but thats not all in a player. LeBron have everything.

  • http://www.morethanbasketballmg.net More Than Basketball

    @Mrmorethanbball DEFINITELY HAS A POINT…Its just early… lets not forget LeBron is 26

  • Benn0

    Page 2 – become a tv pundit.

  • bike

    Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but let’s wait until LeBron’s career is over before making any comparison to Jordan. Jordan won championships, LeBron has not one (yet), and the game and players are changing.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Shame on you Scottie….smh. Everyone knows thats Kobe

  • may23

    lebron will never be a jordan pippen is an idiot

  • Young Money

    LeBron James is the grestest basketball player to ever play the game. Modern day Oscar Robertson.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    lol no Tae, come on now. It’s definitely Michael

  • ktown

    Scottie is as qualified as any to make this assertion. And i grew up thinking Jordan was next to God himself.

    Jordan was athletic for his era, but I would go out on a limb and say, his athleticism is not anywhere near as big of an advantage in today’s NBA.

    You have to admit, Lebron is the most complete player ever with his size, athleticism and skills. He is at least as good, if not better than jordan defensively, he can guard any position on the floor with his size and physicality, I would say he can probably rebound better than jordan, probably gets his teammates involved better than Jordan. The only thing i would definitely rate him lower than jordan is probably scoring, but its not like you can just put single coverage on him.

    He may not have the individual accomplishments of Jordan right now, but you have to admit he does a lot of things better than jordan.

  • http://www.bulls.com Rigo Gonzalez

    Last name “ever”!
    First name “greatest”!
    Middle name “epic fail of a comment by a former NBA star!”

  • bull22

    @jtaylor, on the level of lebron NO.. jordan never got swepted in finals, nor did he quit on his team, or blow a 3-2 series lead in a playoff series or have two number one seeds not win a championship…. yes i agree jordan had his failures, but no player has ever had them as EPIC as LEBRON, you take your pick….

  • http://slamonline Tae

    Aight Black, u my mans so i’ll agree wit u. But he def 2nd to Mike lol no doubt. Identical game

  • zeekthefreak

    DId MJ ever act and whine like LeBron? Did MJ ever take an hour to talk about himself and what he was going to do? Has LeBron won a ship?

    hmmm answer to all those is NO

  • bull22

    funny how some of you idiots take my comments out of context without nothing to back it up…. real genuine smart people here, hahahahahaha

  • bull22

    @zeekthefreek, yep! but all of those that wear lebron’s drawers seem to forget because their memory gets selective when it comes to their beloved lebron….

  • Young Money

    Michael Jordan had Phil Jackson and scottie pippen..Bron had Mo Williams..now that he has really teammates his greatness is on full display.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    i think lebron is almost as athletic as jordan..maybe a little more. but skillwise jordan’s GOT HIM. but lebron is still young…personally i think he could be better than KOBE…but not jordan. i just don’t know. i personally respect scottie’s opinion though and i think he’s probably the best one to judge.

  • theDankerNuggets

    waaaaaaaaaaay to early to tell, we should wait until Bron’s contract with the Heat is up atleast. If they have 6 Chips by then like i think they will then this will be a serious debate.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    Let’s go ask Michael what he thinks about Lebron.

  • AD

    We need to stop worshipping Jordan like hes Jesus or sumethn… Lebron will be better…… and if he can’t then o well,somebody will be…. jordan is human ppl………. Scottie is the best one to judge so………….

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich
  • HAMMER

    C’mon Scottie. Ur sounding like that girl n Goodfellas. The one that Joe Pesci says “Just say he’s a talented man. Leave it at that”. Very dissapointed Pip would say this. Him of all people should know better!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    well um, Pippen Might have to stay in his house for a couple months until people calm down. you dont say this after dude just beat your team.smh

  • http://slamonline Brion

    Bull22, were gonna let your idiotic comments slide today being that its the day after your beloved team got singlehandedly dismantled by Lebron. Of course your butthurt.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I almost don’t think Pip is serious here

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Mj was definitely a all-around player,he had seasons where he averaged over seven assist and rebounds. Mike just did not wanna pass, cant blame him because nobody could stop him. And crashing and burning is different than losing, everybody losses, but some like lebron come up very small at times like quiting on his teammates.

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    Anyone see that movie preview with that little kid arguing with that guy from How I Met Your Mother? “It’s the only argument that matters!”

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Heck, MJ had one of the greatest individual rookie seasons in NBA history. 28 points,6 rebounds and 6 assists. Isn’t MJ the only shooting guard to ever win Defensive Player of the Year?

  • DeeDaw

    Sooooo…

    How much do y’all think Nike paid Scottie “I ain’t got no money” Pippen to stir up a debate about their two biggest cash cows?

  • Harlem_World

    For those who don’t know – he said “Don’t get me wrong, MJ was and is the greatest. But LeBron could by all means get to his level someday.” Nobody is saying Lebron is at MJ’s level right now. Only time will tell. He has alot to do to reach MJ’s accomplishments, so we just wait and see. For the record, MJ in his prime might have been the best perimeter defender of all time. Lebron’s defense as improved dramatically the last 2 years – but he still has a way to go to reach where Mike was in his prime. The scoring, will to win, clutch and competitiveness are all subjects left alone for now. Let’s talk about it 6 rings in.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max

    Everybody know BO$H! is the best player to ever play the game or even any sports…

  • J.G.

    Everybody that says LeBron quit against the celtics is proving scottie’s point. Any player that can average 26, 7, and 9 while not playing forreal against a stingy celtics defense is an absolute beast. Bron is better get over it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @JG Lebron isn’t better, come on. Get real. If Lebron was better, I think he’d have like three rings by now, he’d have more MVP Awards, ten scoring titles, he’d have a DPOY award….etc.

  • Deknowz

    LeBron can be down the road, he’s just missing ALOT of shiney hardware.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @JG Michael went 38, 7 and 5 with the stomach flu.

  • J.G.

    @blackphantom it takes a team to win ships. Mo Williams and company were the ones coming up short in the playoffs. The Celtics were doing to bron wat the heat did to the bulls the entire series. Make someone else beat them. Now that bron has real teammates his greatness is on full display.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ DeeDaw: A lot. Probably enough green to fill a grand piano.

  • mjNotkobe

    Lebron has never been the best defensive player in the league. Not even top three. Lebron may have a much more well rounded game than Jordan at this age, but skill-wise he isn’t even better than Kobe. He may never be so skilled just on the strength of his size. Bron is still a freak of nature tho. Better passer than MJ and Kobe, equal in ball-handling, but not as great a scorer as either.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Wilt Chamberlain is the best basketball player of all time.

  • J.G.

    @blackphantom and with the flu Jordan played his heart out. Im saying that anyone that goes 26, 7, 9 DID NOT QUIT.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    You think MJ always had a team? Before players like Pippen, or Rodman, or Kukoc, his teams were actually worse than Lebron’s. He had NO HELP AT ALL. He got his first coach(Doug Collins) fired and everything before he finally started to win when it mostly mattered.

  • J.G.

    Kobe isnt even in the discussion anymore.

  • Flight

    @zeekthefreek MJ was on the officials on almost every call. Like stated before it took 7 years for MJ to start winning, Lebron will likely win his first of many titles this year and already has 2 MVP trophies to his hardware. It’s early to say who will end up better but there is no doubt the comparison is plausible.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Kobe is probably the closest we will ever get to Jordan. Lebron is different from those two, different position, different body type, different style of play.

  • Lori

    In other news…Scottie also claims Fruit of the loom underwear are better then Hanes

  • http://www.twitter.com/JoshElam JE

    Does he think LeBron ever would have carved him into the assassin that Jordan did?

  • http://slamonline Tae

    How is Kobe out of tha discussion? Cus tha Lakers got swept in tha 2nd round? Come on now

  • J.G.

    Kobe is the closest imitation we have of Jordan…Bron wears the crown

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    What crown? The Greatest Player of all-time? He isn’t even Top 10 yet, I don’t even think he’s the best SF of all-time right now.

  • J.G.

    the sweep has nothing to do with it…as an individual talent Kobe is not on Bron or Jordan’s level..”stat check”

  • Silent Storm

    In other news, pigs may fly.

  • J.G.

    The Crown goes to the best player in the L

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    “Kobe is not on Bron’s level”….whatever you say

  • http://slamonline Tae

    How is Kobe not in tha discussion anymore? Cus tha Lakers got swept in tha 2nd round??? Come on now

  • http://yahoo.com Kevin

    Pippen is a Hater! You would think he new more about Mikes game.10 scoring titles,yeah! But also a 9X all defensive first team.9X!!!!Also has a defensive player of the year award.So PIP,before you try to say jordan is the greatest scorer,He’s also one of the greatest defenders of all-time….P.S. Kobe is tide with mike on that list on 9X all-time defender…just sayin

  • bull22

    @brion, what you are calling idiotic comments are factoids! and show me if mike has even failed on EPIC levels like lebron… so your brain does not slide so hard, find any series where jordan’s team is ahead in series and blows a lead.. any???

  • karma

    Kobe was the best player in the league from 2003-2008, and don’t let your Lebron love fool you. 2003 Kobe (before the allegations) averaged close to 30 ppg playing with a prime Shaq.

  • JTaylor21

    KAJ has as much right as anyone else to be labeled the GOAT, so kill all that MJ’s the undisputed greatest player talk.

  • bull22

    @karma, yeah… he has not even approached kobe’s level, and here alot of these silly morons want to compare him to michael. like someone said, wait until his career is over…
    and either way while i think the world of mike’s 6 nba titles , but the ultimate winner
    was 11 time nba champion BILL RUSSELL.

  • bull22

    @black phantom, and the hilarous thing man is that since that incredible game, every player has been faking injuries and illnesses because they all want to be like mike, hahahahahahahahhahahahahhaha

  • J.G.

    @Karma wats your point with the 30 ball stat? Lebron put up 28, 7, and 8 with a bummy shaq

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    @J.G. I’m sorry, are you comparing Lebron’s 26, 7, and 9 to Michael Jordan’s 43ppg 6 boards and 5 assists? Vs the Celtics that won with Larry Bird? Please tell me you’re kidding. The Celtics won the game where Jordan scored 63 in double overtime. I know Lebron didn’t have much of a team. Can you name anyone on Jordan’s team that year? They both got swept, by the way. Jordan was in his second year. Lebron was what, 5-6 years in? Please don’t exaggerate.

  • mjNotkobe

    Kevin, back away from the computer. Kobe hasn’t been a genuine 1st team defender since 05. He’s not even half the defender Mike was. This year’s selection more than any other year was pure f*ckery. If you don’t know that, you don’t know ball. BlackPhantom, Tae: Just because Kobe trained himself to walk like MJ, and stole all his mannerisms doesn’t mean he’s this era’s MJ. Great skilled player but he’s never had MJ’s physical gifts. He’s also never dominated an entire decade the way Jordan has. It’s really not as close as Kobe fans want to believe. Besides, if TMac had Kobe’s work ethic and stayed healthy he’d have easily been a better player. He was already a better offensive player before the injuries.

  • Dre

    I think Pip is thinking about all the things LeBron does on the court. I think he meant strictly putting together scoring, passing, defense, and rebounds and then tack on size, and athletic ability. He was not referring to accomplishments.

  • J.G.

    ^^^your comparing a seven game series to an entire regular season? And Moses Malone and Phil Jackson

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I’m not saying he’s this era’s MJ but he is probably the closest we’ll get to having a second MJ

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    My bad, was that to me? You put 26, 7, and 9 as his stats for the Celtics series, I didn’t double check. And that was about 4-5 years before Phil Jackson, and even before Doug Collins. He had a rookie John Paxson, Charles Oakley, and a 34 year old Ice Man Gervin. And Orlando Woolridge, though he might be a little old for you. That’s not a slight, I’m just assuming.

  • mjNotkobe

    I understand what you mean, but that’s most likely because Kobe will probably forever be the only player to straight jack MJ’s style down to his celebrations. In terms of a player being better than Jordan, we haven’t seen it since him but it’s inevitable that it will happen. It happens in every sport. We thought there would never be players better than Pele, Gretsky, Ruth etc and we have Messi, Crosby/Ovechkin, Pujols (minus this season’s slump) that can possibly pass those guys. I love MJ but even he can be surpassed.

  • mjNotkobe

    That was to BlackPhantom^^

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    MJ can’t be surpassed… DURING someones career. Let alone a player such as LeBron, who will undeniably be one of the top 2 players in any discussion during HIS OWN career…. but to come in mid way and say he takes over as the greatest ever? Speculative at best and a straight untruth at worst. I’m happy to have this discussion again in about 10 years time when we can look back at LeBron’s career as an entire body of work. I’m going to need to see something akin to TWO THREE PEATS however.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Naw man, Crosby and Ovechkin ain’t got sh!t on TY DOMI.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I have no trouble saying that LeBron is a better all around player. But the greatest ever….? What accolades has he acquired? What has he done for the NBA lore?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign JTaylor. Kareem won just as many chips and hold some insane records himself.
    My pick is still Wilt Chamberlain though.

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    Just listen to Stephen A Smith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhS8vPVQ76w

  • mjNotkobe

    I’m not saying Lebron or any other current player will do it. I’m saying eventually someone will. It’s not realistic to think that basketball is the one sport on earth whose “greatest” player cannot be surpassed. Popularity is one thing, actual skill and greatness in a sport is another. MJ’s popularity is the closest thing to being impossible to pass.

  • mjNotkobe

    Teddy, when all is said and done those two are gonna come close, if not surpass him.

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    Jordan had as much hate as most players when he was playing. He was about 3 championships in before anyone started remotely referring to him as GOAT. That’s what jump started so many conversations about other so-called Best of All Time players. No one else used to be declared as a GOAT contender a few years into the league, before Jordan ruptured everyone’s expectations. He had fanboys then, and he has fanboys now, but he’s GOAT because of how much he won, plain and simple. “He’s not better than Bird!” and then he won 4. “He wasn’t better than Magic!” and then he won 6. As great as his skill set was, if he didn’t win a chip, or if he only had 1 or 2, he wouldn’t be mentioned. Lebron has the benefit of foresight, where we see how great he is now and assume he’s going to win, if not this year, then soon, with the Heat. But until he does, he’s supremely talented, the best at this point in the league bar none, but he’s not the best. If you look at Pip’s twitter, he says the same thing.

  • SikhWitIt

    Let LeBron win 6 championships in the softest era of professional basketball yet and then we can, maybe, start to have a conversation. ‘Til then, /thread.

  • Josh

    GTFO.

  • jose

    Jordan i still think is more killer-instinct, Kobe and Wade have that in them (despite the fact wade hasn’t been 100% rolling in this series up till those last few minutes and kobes sweep). . .Lebron has a great all-around game,yes. jordans a better winner tho. .I’m still shocked pippen would say that tho

    LETS GO HEAT!!!!

  • mrlabbe

    Jordan = great ball player, poor character. For all these people so in love with MJ, u must have character issues. And for all these people attacking Bron, when has he ever declared himself greatest. Dude always pays homage, and respects the game

  • robb

    man bandwagoners are incredible. When Kobe was the champion many said: “Kobe Bryant may be the most skilled player ever, wow wow and triple wow!” Then DRose wins the MVP this year and everybody goes: “Hoy sh*t Rose is the best basketball player on Earth I can’t believe it such power so much speed he is unstoppable!” Then Lebron and Co. defeat the Bulls and everyone is like” Oohhhhh, LeBron James is the best player ever OMG OMG OMG!!! wow wow and more wow!” Just wait until the Mavs defeat the Heat and all these people will go: “Jesus f*cking Christ, Dirk is the single best foreign player ever, the most skilled big man ever and one of the very best scorers in the history of mankind!!!” People are just too impressionable” Yes Lebron is a damn beast but let’s relax OK?

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    Jordan: “If I had a person as good as Wade on my team, I woulda won ten championships”

  • mrlabbe

    There is no best player ever. Too many changes in the game, workouts, diet, science. Jordan was guarded by smaller 2s, Wilt, smaller 5s, more teams, more travelling, more athletes etc. And as time progresses, this era might end up being outdated. So all people should be known for is how they dominated their era. And Jordan would not score no 100 points being guarded by Tayshaun Prince

  • Chederes

    Lebron is a very skillful player, but i think he needs to work on his post up game, Jordan was the best one of the best at posting up any player his fadeaway jumper was sweet, but I still think is too early to tell if lebron is near Jordan. to me Kobe is closer to Jordan.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Good point, Jukai. Even if you weren’t trying to prove one.

  • QuinnTheEskimo

    From what I remember of Jordan seeing him play as a kid is the way he dominated the game and was on another level to everyone else. Watching him play you knew he was going to take the shot, the defender knew he was going to take the shot, the whole arena knew BUT he still did it, on the buzzer, to win the game.I saw it. Jordan never let me down as a player,NEVER.Even in the Eastern conference finals V Detroit when he lost. He just came back better. He was the ultimate competitor in every regard. Lebron definitely has something..granted.But no-one I have seen since MJ has that killer attitude(kobe?)and LBJ def doesn’t have it yet. Hoping the Mavs can prove team bball beats ego… hoping!
    Mavs in 6

  • su madre

    So I think what pippen said was true. That being said there is no way I would ever rather have lebron on my team over MJ. The point of the game is to put the ball in the hoop more than the other team and as pip said, MJ was the best at it. Even if lebron is gonna pass me the ball better, i would rather have it in MJ’s hands when it mattered. Its like saying Usain Bolt wasnt the best runner because he didn’t have the fastest start, or couldn’t jump as high. He was the fastest runner, everything else didn’t matter.

  • http://slamonline.com The Ambassador

    Co-sigh rob
    Watch next year when another player has a phenomanol season so he can be compared to MJ. But what people dont get is that MJ is the motherf*cken G.O.A.T. dont compare him to Kobe or Lebron what he has done,rings accomplishments,THE DRAM TEAM, man Just compare Lebron to Kobe cause thats the closest he’s gonna get.

  • http://www.slamonline.com brian

    Enough with the rings. Dan marino barry sanders I rest my case.

  • LeBron de Con

    Momma b ridin Mr. Pips

  • angus

    if lbj stays in Cleveland dominates and wins some chips (you know he would have) i think he gos down as the greatest ever, but now in miami sharing the load….i think il go with mike.

  • robb

    That’s right you can’t compare MJ to anybody. I think Lebron is the best in terms of talent, because he’s athletic, strong, fast, good defender, and his court vision is unbelievable. Kobe for instance, has never had that ability, because he plays another type of game. He can read the defenses and can get the shot he wants for himself, even if he is double or tripled teamed, but Lebron can read the whole defensive scheme, he can foresee how all the pieces may move, including his own teammates. He’s like a hyperathletic chess player. His talent is unique, where he takes that talent is something we’ll see in the next few years, but it’s too early to call him the best player ever.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    I just said that because alot of people started writing him off after tha sweep sayin he’s done and all this other stuff. But when u say he never had Jordans physical gifts, wat are u saying? Athletic ability i’ll give u that. But my opinion Kobe has polished his game around Mikes but to me he has perfected it. He shoots better than Mike, better in tha post, and Mike has the edge defensively. But like Black said he is tha closest we’ll ever see to Mj hands down. Lebron has got better, but he still has a way to go til he’s on Kobe or MJ’s level

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Ok, Lebron is good, but lets be real. Tha only person that can legitimently be compared to MJ is Kobe

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Kobe would definitely be closer to Mike if he didn’t possess a somewhat reckless shot selection tendency.

  • rich

    i think hes the most versitile player ever in this season we saw him on rose and we will see him on dirk in the next one. he is a better playmaker than rose out of pick and rolls, and can still get more rebounds than boozer and block as many shots as tyson chandler, because of his defensive ability i think he falls in terms of talent but he hasnt acomplished anything to be a great, greatness is whats on ur resume along with ur skills. i think we can judge better in maybe 3 years depending on how this big 3 thing works out for him

  • kabelion

    Wilt Chamberlain.

  • http://www.slamonline.com blackvictory23

    Jordon could never guard power forwards like Lebron and Lebron is a slightly better passer. Scoring ability they’re about even. Pippen and D-Wade are comparable talent wise, but Bosh is much better than Horace Grant. Plus Jordan had Rodman which shouldn’t be discounted. Overall, I’d give Lebron the slight edge in pure talent…but it’s really close. You could also make an argument that Kobe in his prime was slightly better than Jordan in his prime if you did a line by line comparison.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    The only things Lebron beats Jordan in is Passing and Rebounding.

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    Jordan could never guard power forwards like Lebron. Lebron could never guard quick guards like Jordan. People who say Lebron is better talent wise than Jordan have the problem of the “now.” And that’s sort of a big problem.
    Jordan was an all-time GREAT at defending, he’s much better than Lebron because isolation wise, they’re about even with Lebron being more versatile… but team-wise (ie off-ball steals, weakside blocks, doubles and picking up switches) Jordan was superior. Statistically and otherwise.
    And I don’t think Lebron’s that much better of a rebounder.
    And he’s an inferior scorer.
    But he’s not gonna get that much better.
    But hey, you know, totally on par with Jordan.

  • Joblo

    LBJ could win ten chips with the heat and he still won’t be half the player or competitor jordan was. If he stayed in cleveland and had some success, then we could have a good debate just like we do with kobe. I think some of u need to watch some old mj playoff games or something

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    Purely out of curiosity, I compared Jordan 21-26 to Lebron 21-26, purely statistically… Results are interesting.
    28.91ppg, 7.3rpg, 7.1apg, 1.65spg, .88bpg 3.31tpg on 49/33/74
    31.52ppg, 5.9rpg, 5.6apg, 2.71spg, 1.1bpg 3.16tpg on 51/22/85

  • O

    Let’s keep it 1000 (f*ck a-hun’ed). Mike never had anyone as good as Bosh or Wade next to him. Wade IS better than Pippen. Maybe not on defense, but on offense, definitely. You can build a team around Wade. Pippen went to a good Portland team and still couldn’t win it all. Bi-Osh is better than Grant. When the hell did Grant carry the Bulls when Jordan had an off night? Bi-Osh did it for the Heat a few times this post season. Jordan never had a Haslem. He had Cartwright and Corky from “Life Goes On” (Luc Longley).

    I give it to LBJ, he’s bigger, stronger and more athletic than MJ was in his hey day, but doesn’t have the same SKILLS OR competitiveness as MJ. But I will bet ANY money dollar that WHEN the Heat win the NBA title this year, LeBroad will collapse and cry his eyes out like MJ did when he won his title. Then next year the basketball will have a commercial where he’ll talk about the odds that LeBroad overcame to get his first ring. Then you’ll see LeBroad crying with a basketball next to him.

  • Geek

    doesn’t lebron have to first catch up to kobe before comparisons to jordan happen?

  • Jake

    Lol, Scottie was always jealous of MJ. He would have scored 15 a game if Mike didn’t teach him the nuances of the game.If you dint believe me go watch old tape….Scottie is a copycat who forgot his place. LeBron is only having success now because of the talent he is surrounded with. I hope the mavs destroy the heat just so I can have something to laugh at in a few weeks.

  • Mo Money

    Looking at the way the Heat are built, Wade is the Jordan on that team. Lebron is the Pippen. Just watch and observe :)

  • http://www.slamonline.com blackvictory23

    @Jukai…LBJ shut the 2010-2011 NBA MVP Rose down (a.k.a. quick guard) in crutch-time like it was nothing. I’m not saying that Jordan couldn’t do that too, but Lebron would also be able to shut down Barkley, Malone, Webber or even Kevin Mchale (in their prime back in the day) if he needed to in the 4th quarter. Jordan could never do that.

  • papabearATL

    The rules and style of the game has changed significantly. The officiating has definitely gotten softer. I can just imagine the tears if a team implemented the ‘Lebron Rule’ like they did to MJ. I also think that MJ’s offensive talents overshadowed how great he was defensively. Lebron is athletic and a talented ball player, I think it’s a bit early for the MJ references though. Oscar Robertson played the game at the highest level, MJ forever changed the game, what has Lebron done that is/was game changing besides ‘Le Decision’?

  • Joe King

    I dont think we should even compare players from differant generations anym ore , its a totally differant game now cause of rules an refs ish

  • Dagger

    Most of you guys are confusing accolades with skill. An MVP award is not necessarily granted to the best player in a given year, for example, else Kobe would have more than 1. All Pippen was saying is that Lebron, overall, regardless of position, might be the most talented basketball player of all time right now. He later backtracked a bit due to the reaction, and said Bron might someday be the best basketball player ever – something altogether different. I think Pippen is wrong on his first statement and right on the second; either way if you read somewhat carefully none of what he’s saying is “crazy” or “stupid.”

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Jukai: Which is which? Top row is LeBron, bottom row is Jordan?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9B412oN9MA EJ

    Lebron has shown that he’s not a choker anymore. What he still needs to develop is a post game. Fade aways, step thrus, back pivot… Also a better mid range pull up off 1 or 2 dribbles. If he can start hitting those Kobe shots, he’ll be scary good. Also he needs a better crossover, but he can still pretty much drive thru anybody.

  • Jordanaire

    Shut up Lebron supporters! Dirk will make sure he wouldnt get a title in the next few years. MJ is the GOAT and there shouldnt even be any discussion on this. Tell me will James ever get any rings???!!!

  • Darrell Robinson

    Mr. Pippen I’m afraid you’re incorrect. I’d pick you and Michael over Lebron. Wade is a better player than Lebron James. However, he has been playing magnificantly during the playoffs overall. I’ll give him that.

  • celts4ever

    is pippen on crack?

  • BostonBaller

    Nice arguments all around but they are pointless b/c MJ has the title locked up for a while. (I’m a hoops junkie so I won’t go into The Big O, Russell etc etc) For the sake of these two let’s not compare Defenses. LBJ is a great run down block from behind guy-awesome to watch and can swing a game:MJ was a better one on one defender who had to defend better quality players nightly. Assists mistakenly goes to LBJ b/c in the past few yrs EVEREYTHING is an assist and he had better shooters his first 5 years, MJ would pass from time to time and Brad Sellers would drop it. lol. Neither player gets covered one on one but LBJ never and never will face a true bad boys type team that was out to TAKE YOU OUT (the Jordan Rules) and there “seemed” to be more real defensive teams night in and night out. Overall offensively MJ had it all and LBJ can score with the best of them. The big difference is that LBJ is more of a bull in a china shop. I believe he’d foul out in the 80′s b/c of the more savvy defenders and guys who actually were not afraid to man up or get posterized. Unfortunately I was at the HOT Garden to witness that 63 on April 20, 1986.(This was AFTER rehabbing a “season ending injury) (WE WON though!!) As far as pure hoops: Watch MJ clips on youtube and look at the variety along with the quality then check out LBJ and you’ll see mostly power (Still a beast) All that to say WHO CARES..enjoy the game. lol * I agree, everyone wants to have that “look at what I can do after getting hurt” game. lol. The real look at me’s are the Bird’s (banging head on floor diving for loose ball. Bernard King after surgeries and fingers count in my book. Even Steve Nash with the closed eye was very impressive. I. Thomas, remember him?

  • Yeayeah

    Wade is better than pip.. Bosh is better than rodman or grant. Jordan left and pippen didnt win a ship. Wade won on his own… Had players past their prime.. Shaq, payton, walker, etc. Lebron is a small forward as jordan is a 2 guard. Lbj doesnt have the killer instinct but damn he is a beast. I keep remembering all those jordan’s last shot to win it.. The steal on malone. I dont think lebron would be able to shut down barkley or malone. They were a beast on their own. Teams back then had better defenses as compared to todays where the advantage goes to the offensive player. On any given night ud know mj is the best player on his team. Lebron, wade and bosh could each get the best player of the game. Id give it mj coz i dont blame him for losing to the celtics or the badboys. He gave his all unlike lebron the past playoffs.. Specially during te finals in whic he got swept. I remembering me rooting for gibson to make a big play during those times. Never did it ever happrn that jordan did not show up to win it all. Plus he tried to beat everyone good not to become sidekicks with anyone. Kobe dis his thing. Left a mark on the game. During kobes prime with shaq, their stats are almost the same. Theyd be fighting for the top 3 scoring in the league. When shaq left, kobe had no one on his team and we all have witnessed his scoring ability. Too bad he never wom one. When pau came kobe finally had his pippen and they won. Lebrons cle was good enough except hed choke just like rose did. They are young and will be better. Dont conpare to kobe of today to lebrons of today coz kobe is already what over ten years in the league already. Lets just enjoy the game. Admire the players for what they have done for the game. Mike number 1, kobe number 2, wade and leron prolly could past koe in due time but mike is goat. Just sharing my opinion. Aint tryna be all enemies with yall. Haha

  • Yeayeah

    My bad for the typos. Haha

  • 80

    No guy travelling, charging, carrying so much like Lebron does, should ever be considered as one of the greatest… thats not basketball. He is so heavy he needs that extra step to get it going, otherwise he would have bodies in front of him all the time, but refs tolerate it. Guy runs the fastbreak coast to coast and pounds the ball twice. Cmon.

  • Kas

    F you Pippen

  • blackthougth

    the search 4 the next mj – here we go again.first, they were allowed 2 play some real defence back then (loved 2 see what lebron would`ve done against the `80s pistons), second, we can start the discussion, when lebron has won 6 rings(standing:0). lets just say that lebron is the best playa in the game right now.

  • Ka

    I think your all missing what pip is really saying bron will never be as great a pure scorer as mj. Btw mj considers pip a peer so he can damn say whatever he wants. I dont see anybody else palming mj’s dome.

  • Washtub

    man, there’s some kids on here. when were you all born? in 1998?
    Jordan is the GOAT for ever and ever. What most of you don’t realize, Jordan transcendend the sport of basketball. There was a point in time (and maybe still is), when Jordan was more famous than Jesus or the President.
    EVERYBODY knows who Michael Jordan is.
    NOBODY outside the US who isn’t a ball fan has ever heard of Lebron James.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    Wats up wit people on here sayin Lebron is better than Jordan or even equal to him? Thats crazy talk. He still not seein Kobe. He has alot to do before he can be considered better than MJ or Kobe

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Well the ultimate d*ckrider that is Henry Abbot just called Lebron the next Jordan

  • Jake

    Call me when lebron steals the ball from the best pf ever in the waning seconds of a game 6, gets chip 6 from the free throw line, retires, comes back at age 40 and drops 50 on the hornets…….smh man, smh.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I cannot believe that people are really entertaining this thought.
    And, I think that any chance Scottie Pippen may have had as a coach or scout have just been eradicated.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Pippen’s statement reminds me of a conversation we had with someone up here before.
    Concerning the shooting prowess of two players…

  • Weezy

    Who cares if Money crashed and burned, or not. After each lost series, he just kept coming back more hungry and kept believing in his team. He didn’t run off to South Beach to hook up with two other all-stars. That’s how real superstars become legends.

  • angus

    i have been watching basketball since the jordan days and cannot figure out for the life of me why kobe is mentioned in these comments? vince carter and tracy mcgrady in there primes were much MUCH more talented and closer to jordan they just didnt have the numerous years of being the number option for there team(or shaq or the officials) that kobe has on there side to help them out, think about how many 2 guards since mike left have showed more talent then kobe, you got iverson, vc t-mac, d-wade, even stackhouse had a couple good years that could rival kobes best, these guys just didnt last long enough (or hav’nt been around long enough to prove them self at that level like wade), not saying its easy to be a dominate player for 12-14 seasons in the league but most of these guys just got bad breaks, like injury’s and trades . Think about it, if t-mac was still ballin for orlando as there go to guy there would be NO QUESTION who the most talented shooting guard since mike is.

  • washtub

    @angus: but they didn’t, so they don’t.
    you’re not even talking crazy, you’re talking crack

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Vince Carter showed more talent than Kobe???? Yeah sure ok.

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    @BlackPhantom, i hope he only means dunk wise. Cus anything else….hell to tha no!

  • mjNotkobe

    Tae and BlackPhantom are severely misguided if you think Kobe was at any point in his career better than MJ. I’d bet almost anything that you guys are younger than 25. Too young to have really witnessed and understood the majority of MJ’s career. 1st off, Jordan was a better shooter than Kobe for more than one reason. Two of those reasons are shot selection and accuracy, which can be related but are not the same. Secondly, Jordan’s athleticism dwarfed Kobe’s at Kobe’s peak. Thirdly, MJ never had the luxury of playing with anyone like Shaq. Pippen was great, but he was no Shaq. If MJ had a Shaq-like player he’d have ten rings. Kobe was arguably the best player on a championship team one time in his career. No disrespect to the youth but they simple aren’t qualified to engage in MJ/Kobe debates. Kobe/Lebron, sure. But I’m afraid they haven witnessed enough, as evidenced by these asinine claims about KB24 being close to MJ.

  • mjNotkobe

    Angus: You are wrong about Vince, but TMac was definitely a better offensive player than Kobe. I have said this before. The problem with TMac was his work ethic. Kobe was/is a much more dedicated player. He never had the drive to compete with Kobe, only the talent. His lack of work ethic, by his own admisssion, helped lead to his injuries. He also was never as dedicated to the other end of the floor as Kobe, when Kobe used to be interested in playing defense. One of my favorite bball highlights of all-time is when TMac, in Orlando, was being guarded by Kobe. He was so quick he made Kobe slip as he drained a jumper in his face after the turnaround. He could have been the GOAT if he had a real work ethic.

  • Jahi Salaam

    shaq was better than lebron, mj waas better than shaq, kobe is a replica mj, d rose didnt deserve mvp, chris paul is better pg than d rose, lil waynes new gf is ugly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    You’re getting me wrong man, I know Jordan is waaaaay better than Kobe. But the closest thing we’ve had to Jordan is Kobe, that’s all I’m trying to say. I’m 16 and I know Jordan is the GOAT.

  • mjNotkobe

    My bad Phantom. I get you my dude. Salaam: LOL @ Wayne’s chic, but why didn’t DRose deserve MVP? It’s a regular season award. He was the MVP of the regular season. He took that team to the best record. They overachieved strictly because of him. We can’t say that of any other player this season. Not saying he’s the best player, but he’s MVP for sure.

  • http://myspace.com/gametimeweezy Gametimeweezy

    Dr J > Lebron
    Magic > Lebron
    Larry > Lebron

    Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Shawn Kemp…

    SCOTTIE PIPPEN! I won’t put Lebron in the same breathe with the Greatest of All Time.. the original 23.

  • RoG23

    If we compare team accomplishments jordan is by far better than lebron. but if we are just comparing the physical abilities and skills of the 2 as ballplayers, its a close call. jordans j was/still is lethal. but when lebrons in the open court you might as well put 2-3 points on the board. jordan is like a prototypical sg on steroids. while lebron is like a pg on steroids in a pfs body.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Closest player to MJ ever will be Kobe, Lebron does have great physical gifts, but him leaving going to Heat is one knock off and I still believe Kobe is a better player than Lebron at the same age. Yes Lebron is bigger, but people forget Kobe in his prime killed, he just had to drag a sorry Laker team around that made the playoffs with Smush, Walton, Odom and Kwame in the starting five. Lebron is not what yall think he is, just last year same thing was with Kobe, Next year when Lakers come back and Heat play a better Bulls and Knicks team the tune will change. BOOK IT!!

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    @mjnotkobe Im 23 n damn Black, didnt know u were 16 my man. Anyway, i understand wat ur sayin but iKve watched basketball sincee i was little n i have gone back n done my research on Jordan. He was my fav comin up, i still watch his games today on dvd, reg season ones n playoffs. I agree wit u that Jordan is better than Kobe achievement wise. Its just my strong opinion that Kobe is slightly better skill wise, not by alot but slightly. Overall thou Jordan has wayyy more achievements n better stats. Assist, fg %, rebounds, 6 rings, scoring titles, ect. I can go on. But for some people like Scottie to say Lebron is better is crazy

  • mjNottkobe

    Nah my man. Skill wise, Kobe’s not on Jordan’s level. Jordan ruled the paint in a way that Kobe hadn’t come close to, even when Kobe was dropping 40 point games like cats today drop 25. Jordan’s ability to get into the lane is unmatchedd by guards of similar size, including Kobe. Even when it came to his jumpshot Kobe’s best isn’t on MJ’s level, though Kobe shoots a lot more jumpshots than MJ did. Defensively, Kobe only had about five seasons at being an elite defender. Jordan had about 8-9 seasons at the elite level. MJ was also a better passer. Hell as much as Kobe tries to imitate MJ, Mike’s game was still prettier to look at. (That part is obviously strictly my opinion but most of us who grew up watching Jordan will agree). Exactly what skill is Kobe better at than Jordan? You can’t confuse imitation with duplication.

  • http://fkjslf.com Jukai

    blackvictory23: Sorry it took so long to respond. I’ll point out three things:
    1- Lebron did a great job on Rose, but Rose has been playing awful throughout the playoffs.
    2- No, Lebron probably can’t shut down Malone, McHale, Webber… His best bet would be Barkley. Lebron has never had to guard a dominant back-to-the-basket four. Who has he shut down? An aging, no-knee Garnett? Hell, Lebron hasn’t even shut down Zach Randolph. I’ve stated before, and agreed with you, that Lebron is clearly more versatile as an isolation defender, but you’re getting way carried away here.
    3- You ignored the team defense comment. Fair enough.

  • http://fkjslf.com Jukai

    That being said, I don’t want to hate on Lebron too much— right now, Lebron is looking better than old cats like Dr. J. Whether Lebron can sustain his skillset, we’ll see, but his height is over Bird and Kobe.
    Over Jordan..? Well… let’s not get carried away.

  • http://fkjslf.com Jukai

    Tae: It’s a slippery slope when you say things like that. When you say skill, I assume you mean range on his shot, footwork, and dribble moves? Because then I do agree with you, Kobe has a slight advantage over Jordan.
    But as an athlete and using court awareness, Jordan was far better than Kobe

  • http://www.slamonline.com blackvictory23

    lets not forget about Oscar Robertson…arguably better than Kobe, Lebron, Jerry West, Magic, Larry, Dr. J & Jordan as an all-around player. I know Kareem likes to think he’s the GOAT, but Wilt in his prime was better than Russel, Shaq & Hakeem, The Admiral, Ewing and slightly more dominant than Jabbar…but if you’re arguing versatility, Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double one year for god sakes!!!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com blackvictory23

    Oscar Robertson also had 181 triple doubles and averaged a triple double for five straight seasons in an era with no three point line and the recording of assists was much more regulated. Amazing…

  • Cool Dude

    Is this seriously a discussion? Are there retards that actually believe LBJ is better than Jordan? Really?

  • http://slamonline.com Tae

    @Jukai thats exactly wat im talkin about when i say his skill set. And wat u said is true also. But im not even gonna entertain that Lebron and Jordan debate. There is no debate

  • mjNottkobe

    Range on shot? Maybe. Dribble moves? Hell no! Kobe is easier to guard than Jordan precisely because his dribble moves were so much better. Overall he was just a more skilled player than Kobe ever was. Kobe tried to replicate everything Jordan mastered and came up short.

  • kabelion

    I just want to be clear. Greatest basketball player ever. Wilt Chamberlain. Put down the gatorade, take off the shoes and draws and realize one simple fact. Jordan wouldn’t average 50 a game in any era. They would have fouled him until he was crippled. After his 3rd high flying dunk, he would have lost his knees. Wilt would average 40 a game at any time during the shot clock era. Wilt, is the greatest ever. Stop thinking otherwise. Jordan transcended the game due to the marketing geniuses at nike and gatorade. He was the right player at the right time for the league to be what it is now. He also couldn’t go left without traveling. Watch his highlights, if he went left he either traveled and it wasn’t called, or he was somehow “fouled” on the play. Lebron should be called for a charge every time he has the ball. Just the way this works.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Only reason Wilt scored so much is because he was allowed to camp in the lane all game, every game. If you compare both player skillfully, MJ is the better player.

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Scottie just trying to keep his name in the paper. Fade out, sidekick.

  • TR24

    I think Mike is the best ever. Its hard to compare players across generations, but if u look at the time jordan played to now the game hasnt changed much(in comparison with the 50/60/70/80s to today. Defense was tougher back then (with the hand check). Mike really did things that people still cant do to this day. LeBron to me is what Len Bias would have been. And i still dont think Lenny was gonna be MJ. But LeBron to me is a lot like Len was just with his size and all. But hey everyone has opinions. MJ is the best ever though to me

  • Ivan

    If Chamberlain is the greatest ever, then why did he lost to Bill Russell many times?

  • http://slamonline.com YouCrazy

    @Kabelion So you’re saying Shaq in his prime couldn’t average 50 if they took out the 3 seconds in the key rule too? GTFO. Kareem is a different beast. He scored more points and never averaged the same as Wilt, and has 6 championships. He should be the only one mentioned in the same breath as far as GOAT with MJ. If we’re just talking championships, Bill Russell still has more, but he also played in a league with that only had 9 teams, and topped off at 14 teams during his career. I’m not saying his championships deserve an asterisk, that’s not fair to his legacy. But I don’t think his GOAT status is comparable either. Arguing before Lebron has won anything is like arguing for TMAC’s greatness, or even the late great Petrovic. They’re all based on vapid assumptions. If Lebron doesn’t win 6? Then no, he’s not in the same conversation. If he doesn’t win 1? He’s not better than Kobe. To anyone with an argument that doesn’t involve championships, I ask what is your criteria for greatness? How many times he made you jump out of your seat with a chase down block? Points, assists, rebounds – none of that matters if you don’t win. You can still be talented, but if you can’t win, you’re just an “what if.”

  • Mac

    MJ’s legacy is about more that stats, more than championships and more than harware. MJ’s influence made the NBA go global, and he became the NBA’s first truely global icon. What he did for the league can never be repeated or surpased. That is why he belongs in a class all his own, and that’s why any comparisons to Kobe, Lebron, Wilt or anyone else are almost pointless.

  • RoG23

    ok everyone let me go ahead and try to make my case for lebron. lets pretend we are all ballers at a park. weve been playing there for a year with basically the same cats. mj and lebron arent in the nba. they both tear up teams at the park. one is bigger and dominates every aspect of the game, and the other is more sneaky and a trash talker who ALWAYS backs up his words. who ya taking????? im taking the versatile player. IM COMPARING THE TWO AS PLAYERS, NOT COMPARING THEIR NBA CARREERS

  • http://fkjslf.com Jukai

    @blackvictory23: I mean…. did ya even really look into the statistics? Back in the day, there were far more possessions, I’m took 30-40 more chances to a shot, a rebound, an assist. If you adjust for stats today (which doesn’t 100% work, but its a decent indicator), Oscar averages closer to 23-8-8. Maybe 23-8-12 with the way assists are handed out like hotcakes today. Obviously other worldy numbers, but don’t get carried away with the triple double numbers. Magic woulda had something like 23-14-14 with his numbers back in the day.
    Have you actually watched games of Oscar? I have, several. His game was very unique, he sort of played like Chauncy Billups but in the high post.
    @mjNottkobe: You’re really, really wrong. Not much else I can say.
    @Chamberlain/Jabbar debate: The way I see it, Chamberlain was the BETTER player… But Jabbar was ‘greater’ with more championships, longevity, his coachability, etc. etc.
    I mean, do you want the guy who is more skilled but you’ll have a harsh time coaching him, or the guy who is slightly less skilled but is easy to coach? Your call.

  • http://fkjslf.com Jukai

    RoG23: You’re acting like Jordan couldn’t rebound or pass. Dude dropped 8 and 8 one year along with his 30-something points. I really don’t think Lebron is that much more versatile.

  • http://www.slamonline.com blackvictory23

    @Jukai…if you’re comparing apples to oranges then why are you discounting how much more easier it would have been for Oscar to get to the hole in today’s game, where hand-checking is disallowed; or in Jordan’s era, where Oscar could use his height and big frame for isolation (a.k.a. Barkley & Mark Jackson big-butt back down) plays to score or rack up assists easily. Oscar Robertson was also a much better shooter than Magic and slightly a better rebounder. If Robertson was playing in Chicago in the 90′s with Pippen, Steve Kerr, Paxon, and all those serviceable finishers on the inside, I’m sure Oscar would have won his fair amount of titles in Chi-town too.

  • Marco

    Pip’s gotta be ouuta his mind! Of course, MJ was the greatest scorer. But (as especially Pip should know) he was way more than that. Mike’s had a great abilty to create for his teammates, was an exceptional passer, truly great on d…so, I really don’t see where Pip’s point is? LeBron’s abilties are unquestioned when it’s all said and done, he will be top 5, maybe top 3. But MJ will for ever be the greatest. And don’t get at me with ‘yeah, but they are so much more athletic today’. This game isn’t just about athleticism. (See Dirk) Plus, the NBA is a soft league nowadays. You can’t touch anybody on D. When Mike played it was tough. The kind of D he had to go against (Detroit, New York, Cleveland and generally) was tough as nails. With today’s rules Mike would’ve averaged 35 + 10 for his career. Seriously! And don’t even get me started on LeBron’s rings, which are…hmmmm…zero…nuff said!

  • BlackMamba is G.O.A.T

    @mjnotkobe, First of all man kill that noise about T-mac and his work ethic. That is a lame excuse to use why Kobe is better. Kobe was the most dominate player from 2000-2010 thus is why he recieved player of the decade.
    Also trying to use the argument that Kobe had shaq and Jordan didn’t is lame as well. In fact that argument goes in Kobe’s favor because that Laker team Kobe was number two and still was putting up stats comparible to MJ. Once Shaq was gone Kobe took a bunch of no names (Chris mihm, smush parker, Radmanvich, etc…) placed them on his shoulders and took them to the playoffs. On his way there in those two seasons he scored 81, avg 40 points per game at one point. (something MJ NEVER done)had 3 0r 4 60 plus point game not in overtime. In fact in one game against the mavericks he scored 63 in the third alone and was taken out of the whole fourth because the Lakers were blowing them out. Not one person you mentioned has come close to any of these acclomplishments. Not Iverson, not T-mac, not carter, not nash, oh and did I mention NOT MJ EITHER! Please your arguments were lame and quit picking on the youngsters and give them the real facts…

    Now back to the main topic… Lebron hasn’t done a thing to even prove that he is top twenty material. All my years of watching the NBA I have seen many great players that Lebron doesn’t even come close too. Pippen is just a KOBE hater and will always be one. He still bitter that Kobe ruined his (pippen) chances of ever winning a title without Jordan. Remember that 4th quater comeback when the Laker were down in game 7 of the western Conference Finals. Down by 17 with 4 minutes left to play Kobe single handly destroyed Pippen and company. All I remeber are the three’s that were raining! Hahaha… Pippen witout MJ has zero rings. Kobe without Shaq 2 rings and 3 finals appearences. Lebron 0 titles and Kobe has five! nuff said haters… Dueces!!!

  • Youngindy21

    Some of you people are hypocrites. You say a person can’t be the greatest basketball player ever if they have no rings but then you turn around and get mad at Lebron for leaving Cleveland (a team that historically has no rings) and bad management. How was Lebron ever supposed to be better than MJ because you people have put MJ at god-like status? I think Lebron is the closest thing we will see to Michael Jordan for a while. Kobe Bryant shouldn’t even be anywhere in the conversation because he is not even better than Larry Bird.

  • http://fkjslf.com Jukai

    blackvictory23: Er… Apples to oranges? Sorry, I thought we were comparing basketball players.
    He was mainly a highpost player, ie handchecking wouldn’t really do much. If he played in today’s game, he woulda had to probably take his role as he did in the Milwaukee teams, where he only averaged about 17-10… he was aging and had a backburner role (I remember reading him say he coulda easily dropped more triple doubles but toned it down for his teammates, whether that be true or not) but it’s no 30-10-11.
    Let’s not even get into Oscar’s bad attitude which turned away a lot of players.

  • Truth

    Michael Jordan never switched teams in order to win a championship or because he feared another team. Michael Jordan stayed with the Bulls until they started to win, and in the beginning of his career he did struggle just like Lebron but he weathered the storm. He had more confidence and heart and game than Lebron.Michael Jordan even said, after Lebron went to the Heat, that he would have never done that, he didn’t want to play with those dudes he wanted to beat them. Pipen needs to stay in his place, which is behind Jordan.

  • Red Star

    WTF

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Lebron isnt better than Larry Bird either.

  • http://www.slamonline.com blackvictory23

    Oscar’s bad attitude?!!?!?!!? Jordan brought his own teammates to tears, punched some of them and almost drove B.J. Armstrong to the point of insanity. You gotta be kidding me!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com blackvictory23

    Famous Jordan Quotes never really commented about:

    “He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored.” – Michael on B.J. Armstrong’s mental fragility…

    “They don’t need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that.” – Michael to Charles Davis who was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends…

    Quote:
    “Give me the fu*king ball.” – Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine…

    Quote:
    “You’re an idiot. You’ve screwed up every play we ever ran. You’re too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you.” – Michael to Horace Grant…

    Quote:
    “I don’t know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy.” – Michael questioning the Oakley trade…

    Quote:
    “Why the hell don’t you ever set a pick like that in a game?” – Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the institution of the private curtain for practices)…

    Quote:
    “Headache tonight, Scottie?” – Michael ribs Scottie about his migraines, while showing him his 2-for-16 line…

    NEED I SAY MORE…

  • Sam Stiller.

    You dreaming Scottie!
    Michael Jordan is way out in front

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    “If you pass the ball to Bill Cartwright, you’ll never get the ball from me.”- Michael Jordan to John Paxson

  • mjNottkobe

    Jukai: I’ve read a few of your comments since a year and a half before I started commenting. 99% of the time your comments are wrong. @BlackMamba is GOAT: Your name says enough. Shaq was the biggest reason those 3 chips were won. Point blank period. Jordan never had a teammate coming close to Shaq in his prime. Don’t talk to me about numbers. Kobe putting up 30 points with Shaq is your back-up to your claim that he’s thee greatest? GTFOH. Strictly based on numbers he can’t sniff Jordan’s boxers. Even Lebron’s all-around numbers are better than Kobe’s, so don’t even speak numbers when talking about winning. Be not mistaken youngin’, Shaq was the main focus of the opposingg teams’ defenses. Kobe didn’t play against the physical defenses Jordan did. You’re a Kobe stan who is probably as young as Tae and Phantom. As far as Tracy goes, in his prime he was unquestionably a better offensive player than Kobe. He was more talented than Kobe. Now, I never said he was a better player so I don’t know where the hell you got that from. You should also know the difference between an excuse and a real reason. Tracy never had a work ethic. Poor excersize and training habits make you more susceptible to injury. For him to be taller than Kobe, have a way better handle, a slightly better jump shot, and a way better crossover you can’t sit here and tell me Kobe was a better offensive player in Tracy’s prime. He didn’t play D and he didn’t work hard. How am I making excuses for the guy? You’re just too much of a Kobe stan to have an objective opinion.

  • mjNottkobe

    Jordan always is and always has been a jerk. No one is arguing he’s a great person, just that he’s the greatest ball player. Not Lebron and damn sure not Kobe. @ Truth just because a guy switches teams doesn’t mean he’s not great. Lebron is no Jordan but so what? No player has been on his level since he retired.

  • BlackMamba is GOAT

    @mjnotKobe, First off let’s get the age right. I probably have a decade and a half on you. Born in the 70′s, raised in the showtime era, and suffered through the boring Jordan years. So that ‘s your first :o X (mouth shut). Second you can’t really argue early Kobe numbers because the offense was ran through Shaq and Kobe didn’t have as many touches on the ball as Jordan or Lebron. However with that said Kobe’s numbers are right under Jordan with less touches and being number two for the early part of his career. Don’t believe me check their stats, all of their stats and you will clearly see that Jordan and Lebron played more minutes, put up more shots, and played in more games by the time all three of them were 25. The big difference here is KOBE had THREE RINGS already!One could only imagine if there were no Shaq all them years and KOBE was the main go to guy. You all would be paying top dollar just to buy the sweat from his socks. As far as him not being able to win without Shaq that theory has been shot dead twice in row. That’s your second :OX (mouth shut). Third I noticed that you didn’t want to touch none of Kobe’s achievements post Shaq that I addressed earlier. You know like his averaging 40 points a game, 3 60 plus point games not in over time. Of course every Kobe hater wants to downplay 81 as well. We can go all day with achievements here and there but at the end of the day KOBE has FIVE rings and Lebron zero. One season wonder T-mac could never even make it out of round 1 in the playoffs. KOBE still has at least three good years left in him and by the end of his career he will pass Jordan with rings. Kobe also has more Finals Appearances then Jordan does already. :OX… Bwahhh ahh ahh I can’t believe you said T-mac hahahah… My side hurts! Before even trying to touch Kobe try going through the Magic man first you would have a tough enough time with that.

  • http://fkjslf.com Jukai

    blackvictory23: LOL… alright, you got me on that one. Oscar and Jordan were both humongous d-bags that easily could have driven off their teammates from ever winning anything. I think Oscar was way more DEMANDING of everyone though. Jordan just had favorites.
    mjNottkobe: Kobe had such great handles at the beginning of his career, they tried playing him at point. Jordan rarely ever put the ball between his legs cause he was so quick and strong. Why are you even debating this?
    BlackMamba is Goat: Agreed with everything you said until the ring thing. I mean, made ya seem a bit biased… it looks very grim that the Lakers will win anytime in the future.

  • BlackMamba is G.O.A.T@

    @jukae, I gotta keep hope alive! Hahaha

  • http://www.slamonline.com blackvictory23

    word…As-Salamu Alaykum my brothers; it’s all in good fun :-) . Let’s see Melo, STAT and hopefully CP3 bring a ring to NYC soon!!!

  • mjNottkobe

    BlackMamba: Nobody said Kobe couldn’t win without Shaq, I said Kobe only won twice w/o Shaq which makes him four titles too short to compete with MJ. You are actually using the argument that Kobe had 3 rings (on Shaq’s team) as a reason for why he’s on par with MJ? Kobe has 2 finals MVPs. MJ has 6. Kobe has more finals appearances and fewer rings! That works against him, not for him! Secondly, I was born in the 70′s (74) and I highly doubt you were. You sound too young. Thirdly, don’t even begin to speak on efficiency because Kobe isn’t on Jordan’s level. Im not even talking ability because his shot selection is so poor he doesn’t leave you room to debate his ability. Look at the numbers genius! Look at Jordan’s season points averages and his FG%. Now look at Kobe’s. Now pipe down and have a seat. Jordan won 6 titles. 3 of Kobe’s 5 came on Shaq’s back. FYI, if you were as old as you claimed to be you’d remember Jordan actually did play point earlier in his career for a brief period. You mentioning that they tried to play Kobe at point is useless and irrelevent because it fails to demonstrate an advantage over Jordan. Don’t talk to me about Kobe winning more titles, it hasn’t happened and it won’t. Only his fans believe it and those same morons thought he was going to go all Jordan and pull the lakers back from a 3-0 hole this year. As far as TMac, look believe what you want. Facts state otherwise. He was far and away a better offfensive player. Are you dense? Did I say TMac was a better all around player? Do you even know how to present a counter argument? I’m not arguing that he was a better player. He was a better player on one side of the court. Only a stan can’t admit that. As far as Lebron, Kobe has been in the league far longer than he has. By the time Lebron logs as many years as Kobe he will have accomplished more. He’ll win titles, only he won’t have anyone like Shaq whose back he can ride to 3 titles. Shaq in his prime>>>DWade+Bosh. He already has 2 honest MVPs, scoring titles, rookie of the year, more triple doubles, more double doubles, higher assist averages, and more rebounds than Kobe will ever have. He’ll better greater than your little poor man’s MJ(Kobe). Furthermore I can’t respect a man who would even try to steal the mannerisms of another man. Kobe has no identity of his own. He’ll no doubt be beneath the other two when all is said and done.

  • Bandwagonfan

    i respect kobe a lot. Dont make me disrespect him by reading his fan bullshit

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