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Saturday, May 14th, 2011 at 1:17 pm  |  78 responses

Would a Rose, Wade & James Trio Have Worked?

by Ryne Nelson

Sometimes, we think back about what could have been last summer if The Decision went another way. Another way, like Chicago.

It’s no stretch to be thinking about it now, as the LeBron James and Dwyane Wade-led Heat are set to square off against Derrick Rose and his No. 1-seeded Bulls. But what if LeBron, Wade and Rose — rather than meeting each other on opposing teams in the Playoffs — were advancing together to the Finals?

ESPN quotes details from Wade and Bron too good not to copy here:

LeBron James and Dwyane Wade said they each had days last summer when they woke up thinking they would join the Chicago Bulls, not the Miami Heat, in free agency.

“It was two mornings,” Wade said at Friday’s practice ahead of the Heat’s matchup against the top-seeded Bulls in the Eastern Conference finals.

Standing next to Wade to the Heat practice facility, James admitted he had similar thoughts.

“I definitely had one or two mornings where I woke up thinking I’d be a Bull too, but ultimately I decided to come here,” James said.

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“It was flattering,” Wade said. “I grew up in the city and grew up with my dreams of becoming an NBA player with the Chicago Bulls. They gave a great presentation, great opportunity. I just felt that the Miami opportunity was better. That’s what it came down to.”

Henry Thomas, the Chicago-based agent for Wade and Bosh, said the competition for Wade was tight.

“I think it was very close,” he said to ESPNChicago.com. “We obviously — before the process started — we talked about how we were going to handle it. Once we began and once the presentations were made, the Bulls’ presentation was as good as any — if not better.

“The decision became a lot more difficult than he imagined how it would be. Obviously for him the Chicago one was special because he grew up here. As a young kid, he idolized Michael [Jordan] and all those teams. I know when we went in for the presentation, they had a uniform with his name and number on it. As a kid growing up here you dreamed of having that uniform on. For that reason it was difficult.”

When asked about his meetings with the Chicago front office, James spoke highly of them as well.

“It was definitely flattering,” James said Friday. “It was a great meeting with that team and that franchise knowing the history. There was great things that they said but at the end of the day, I felt like this was the best opportunity for me to win a championship. It was a great experience.”

So Wade and LeBron could have both been wearing Bulls jerseys now, but would they be in a better position to win championships with a teammate like Derrick Rose?

The trio might’ve worked because DRose is a “do what I need to do” type of player who would defer to Wade and LeBron. But would constraining Rose also hurt the team? DRose might settle to be a spot up shooter or a pure playmaker, which would limit the dynamism and fluidity of his offensive game.

So yes, it could’ve worked. And no, it could’ve not. And this, folks, if why we at the SLAM Dome dislike hypotheticals.

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  • AD

    hell no cuz rose aint no passer

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Rose and Wade would have worked and with the Bulls already having better surrounding pieces would have great for a long time.

  • MookieBlaylock

    who the hell cares if it would have worked. Both seem to be doing just fine the way they are now.

  • MookieBlaylock

    oh, and it wouldnt have worked.

  • JTaylor21

    Has there ever been 3 ball-dominant players on the same team?

  • Will Lee

    f cares? its finals time homie

  • slamfan4life

    DRose Vs the MIA Thrice…cant wait til tom

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    people underestimate Rose, He would defintely make it happen with those two. Rose is starting to be an underrated passer the way people talk, but anyway it is about playing your role, and I believe Rose would have did what he had to do to make it happen.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nick Tha Quick

    @ JTaylor21 Paul Pierce, Antoine Walker and a young Joe Johnson. If only Antoine Walker had given up on the cake and 4 point shots…

  • Levi

    It would’ve worked but I don’t think the chemistry would’ve been there.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    There are stories about how Rose already had said that he didn’t want The King coming into his city.

  • http://nicfranklin.tumblr.com Nic

    Thanks for breaking down whether that would have worked like the headline suggested.

  • http://www.tampax.com doyouwantmore

    Not that it matters much, but I hope the unbelievably bad grammar in the title of this article was on purpose to be funny or something.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics Byebye

    Who cares about drose he is a good Player but he’s no cp3 u can’t win with a shoot first point guard and they play in the central with clev Toronto Detroit Indiana 4 times a year sure they won some big games but they will come back to reality next year do we think they will win 60 games next year

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Isiah won as a scoring point guard…

  • Jdilla

    @byebye FYI ever team in the eastern conference plays each other 3 to 4 times, so what is your point. N Toronto is not in the central division…

  • Jackie Moon

    I know a Kobe and Gasol duo worked for a few years.

  • JTaylor21

    The Philo, Zeke never came close to taking 20+ shots a game. Matter of fact the most he took was 19 per in his second season and the Pistons weren’t championship contenders. The years DET won and competed for chips, he avg. 16 shots.
    So no, Isiah wasn’t a shoot first PG.

  • Ben Ireland

    I would like to point out that Stockton, Kidd and Nash are all ringless… 3 of the greatest of all time, all pass first… So apparently you can’t win by passing or scoring, point guard may as well not be a position then, I guess…
    Of course you can win with a scoring point, just depends on the team…

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I said a scoring point guard.
    When you shoot the percentage that Isiah shot, coupled with his scoring average, that can be considered a shooting/scoring point guard.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Also, I did not say a “shoot first” point guard. I said, a “shooting point guard”. Rondo is not a shooting point guard. Kidd, neither.
    Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Rose, Westbrook, Isiah Thomas. All shooting point guards.

  • Ben Ireland

    Isiah was first option on all those teams, was he not? That’s how I’d decide a scoring guard… I could be wrong tho.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    *scoring/shooting*

  • Ben Ireland

    Philo, I know there’s a difference between a shooting and a scoring guard, but in this case, I’d say they’re one and the same… Isiah looked for his shot, and he was good enough to knock em down at a ridiculous rate alotta the time. I think Rose is the same, and I’d even say he’s at his best when he’s taking about 16 shots, but he’s so much bigger and stronger than Isiah, if he could get a shot like Isiah’s and keep passing to the open man when he’s open, we’re talking about an all-time great and a new Chicago dynasty. This kid’s 22 years old, MVP, and only gonna get better. And bear in mind, the Bull’s last 2 drafts have been pretty damn good too. Gibson’s quietly a stud. So I definitely think they can win with Rose going for his own shot, just not always 30 times a night…

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Ben Ireland:
    I agree with many, if not all of your points. I believe that the makeup of this Bulls team requires that Rose does exactly what he does. Whether he is in scoring mode, or distributing mode. I could be wrong. Being that he is the lone legitimate offensive threat on his team, he has to take the majority of the shots in order for his team to be successful. We all know this, though.
    If he can get another player who commands a double team, then he can lead the League in assists, and his shooting percentages should be sure to increase, along with his overall efficiency.
    The sky is the limit for that kid, Derrick Rose.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics Byebye

    Toronto is in the central
    Anyway drose isnt zeke dont ever make that mistake yeah drose can finish like him that’s where the comparisons stop plus zeke led the league in assists drose won’t get over 9 ever lol plus they overpaid boozer he washed up deng is good but he will only be good he’s at his ceiling and Noah is at his ceiling as far as his talent will take him hustle is good for marginal players

  • dma

    We wouldn’t know today’s rose if wade ans James went to Chicago. Hypotheticals are fun but….

  • JTaylor21

    The Philo, his scoring average? Zeke avg. 19ppg on 16 shots for his career with 9.3apg. Let’s not sit here and acting like Zeke was getting his chuck on like Russ/Rose do. Anyone who saw the Bad Boys play knew that Zeke always made sure to get his teammates going first and only scored when his team was in dire need of offense.
    I’m sorry but no team has ever won a chip with either a scoring PG or a shoot-first PG.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    It is not about being a scoring/pass-first point guard. It is just about playing YOUR GAME smart and effectively. Last I recalled CP3, NASH, J-Kidd, or D-Will dont have any rings on their fingers.A guy like rondo does not count,because if he does then you have to throw that scoring point guard Tony parker in there who has actually won finals Mvp, along with Chauncey.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    ByeBye:
    If they get an athlete who can run the floor, and get his own shot a la young Shawn Marion, it can happen. Rose can lead the League in assists. The same could happen if he had a guy like Dwight Howard.
    I think Ben Ireland was just merely pointing out a similarity between Rose and Thomas as in their ability to put the ball in the basket in a prolific and dominant manner and fashion. They do have that in common.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    @jtaylor It is not impossible dude.

  • Ben Ireland

    @Philosopher
    I wouldn’t say he’s the long offensive threat, Boozer has had a bad year but he’s normally at an All-Star level, maybe not quite there. And I don’t think Rose will ever lead the league in assists, but he could legitimately be a 20-10 guy, he’s not far off. And he’s not a bad rebounder either. If he could somehow up his energy, difficult job considering he’s already MVP, he could be a 25-10-7 kind of player. But at 22, getting better, and an absolute freak atheletically, we could be looking at a list of MVPs, and hopefully, a long heated rivalry with Westbrook and Rondo, because those games I think are the most fun to watch.

  • HAMMER

    Who gives a f√¢k now?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    JTaylor21:
    Again, never said a scoring/shoot “FIRST” point guard. We all know that Isiah was one of the greatest passers who has ever lived. (1,124 assists) Until Stockton, Zeke had the single season record for assists.
    But, I will say this;
    Any point guard who has to take 16 shots per game is a shooting point guard. Even if it is not the “shoot first” type…
    And, I would not call Lord Thomas III a “chucker”. Nor would I call Rose, Westbrook, or Williams that, either.
    Magic (5 rings) was a scoring point, too…

  • spurnsation

    @Byebye
    The Central Division is comprised of Milwaukee, Indiana, Detroit, Cleveland and Chicago. Toronto is part of the Atlantic.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Ben Ireland:
    Maybe I’m taking away a little from Boozer. But does he command a consistent double team? And, if he doesn’t, then when was the last time he has?

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics Byebye

    Lol I like drose I’m still pissed when he cost me money in the championship game but I’ll say this if he was to play like d wade I think he’ll be better suited at the two

  • Ben Ireland

    Right now, nope he doesn’t. He coulda in that close out game against the Hawks tho, that was vintage Booze. But maybe it woulda been before Chicago, he’s been nowhere near the player he was in Utah, mainly due to DWill spoon-feeding him. He’s not adjusted well to games outside picknroll/pop and to be fair, Chicago should run more of that anyway, Noah’s effective as a pick too. Rose can use the picks, and there’s no way in hell anyone’s comfortable leaving Boozer to go to Rose, not when his shot is falling. Noah could potentially be just as deadly in a few years, along with his amazing rebounding skills. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t, that’s when Chicago wins the title. Could be this year tho, because all the favourites are gone, and I think Chicago’s defensive energy and mobile big men give Miami fits. Deng is an under-rated defender, and Bogan’s genuinely does a good job on Wade. Also, Boozer will never be a defensive force, but he’s solid on Bosh too. And I think Noah is one of the best people to have to match up with Dirk in the Finals if it goes that way.

  • Jdilla

    @byebye Toronto plays in the Atlantic division not the central, As far as Rose being a shoot first pg, I’ll take that all day, I been watching Rose since high school, n he never used to take a lot shots, he always look to get his teammates involved. His coach used to beg Rose to take more shots, he’s a true pg, don’t get it twisted. He does what it take to win games n what the COY wants him to do. Rose is not a selfish player, there’s a big difference. Shoot first pg my a$$…he gets the job done…PERIOD!

  • JTaylor21

    The Philo, so now Magic aka the greatest passer of all-time was a “scoring” PG, come on son! If that’s the case Stockton, MJack, SNash, JKidd and CP are all scoring PGs.

  • Ben Ireland

    @JTaylor21
    Magic was without a doubt a pass first PG, but at first… He was told by Riley to take more shots, did so, and basically cemented his place even deeper in history. He was an incredible passer but come about 85/86, can’t mind the title year, he was closing out games and scoring himself, and no-one knew if he’s pass or shot. And I’d counter Nash is a shooting point guard, but only cos his shot is absolutely incredible. But yeah, he still looks to pass first.

  • JTaylor21

    Slick Ric, I’m going off history. History has tells us a team that relies heavily on a PG to score has never won a chip, it tells us that a team that relies heavily on one player to do everything never wins a ring and it tells us that most times than not, a team with a great big(s) is most likely to win a ring that one with great perimeter player(s).
    History never lies, folks.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    At one time, Kidd was a scoring point guard.
    Earvin averaged 24 poins per game one year. Over 20 a few other years. 19ppg over his career on close to 50% shooting. That is not a scoring point guard? Well, I stand corrected, then. lol
    Mark Jackson was not a scoring point guard, although his rookie year he averaged 17. (16.9)
    Nash can be considered a scoring point guard. Chris Paul is known as a scoring point guard, even this year.
    Stockton had his moments as a scoring point guard. Like, when he was playing Mike Penberthy in the Playoffs… I’ve never before, or since seen Stockton so pissed.

  • JTaylor21

    Ben Ireland, good points but if that’s the case doesn’t that validate my point of guys like Zeke and Magic only scoring when their teams needed them to. Those guys never went into any game looking to score, they always made sure to get their teammates going first then if the offense struggled, that’s when they looked for their shot.
    It’s a vast difference from the way Russ/Rose approach the game.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    History also tells us that between Magic and Zeke, seven championships were won with those two guys scoring the ball. They passed, sure, but a 20+ ppg. stat line doesn’t lie, either.

  • Jdilla

    D-Rose just made history, the youngest MVP, history is yesterday news…

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics Byebye

    Russ westbrook is a beast but he been playing alittle too fast he would be helluva if they had a big man where he would be forced to slow his game down but they run too much in okc an the coach don’t know how to tell him get durante the ball

  • Ben Ireland

    I agree with both you guys, and I’ve said somewhere up there, Rose would be best with around 16 shots. Without a doubt, and I don’t think anyone would argue this, Rose should take the most shots on his team, because who’s a better scorer than he is on that team? Rose learned to score because he had to, he’s also always been a willing passer and it’s rare he’ll force the action except to get to the line. He also has to be the most creative player in the air I’ve ever seen and anyone else taking the shots he takes would be killed… But he MAKES them, regularly. His style of layup is pretty much unique and so economical of motion, it’s beautiful basketball. But can anyone say they’ve never seen him make tremendous passes either? 7 or 8 apg is good, I think he could up that to 10 or 11 with a little less shooting. But his shooting got his team to the 1 seed… He’s not selfish, he just knows what it takes. And he’s been playing Indianna and Atlanta… Is anyone gonna argue that by matchups, PG is the most advantageous postion the Bulls have over both teams? Expect the same in Miami, but Wade to guard him… Bulls lose Game 1… DRose averages alot less shots for the series, Bulls pull it out in 7…

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics Byebye

    Russ westbrook is a beast but he been playing alittle too fast he would be helluva if they had a big man where he would be forced to slow his game down but they run too much in okc an the coach don’t know how to tell him get durant the ball
    I was thinking about the bucks damm

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I like Ben Ireland’s style. He has passion.
    See you guys later.
    About to go get a few shots up.

  • Jdilla

    U can’t compare Russ to Rose, if Rose had Durant on his team, trust me he would definitely average more assist than Westbrook n take less shots. Rose does what Thibs ask him to do, which is to shoot the ball to give us a change to win the game. Vinny n Cal used beg Rose to take more shots, hell I used to beg him to take more shots n b more aggressive from my couch…History is always rewritten.

  • Ben Ireland

    I’m out too, the name’s not just for show, I’m actually in Ireland, so it’s late enough here ! Think I’ll post more often, enjoyed this guys !

  • JTaylor21

    History also tells us that people often times have no information to back up their claims.
    Magic’s FGA during championship years:
    80 playoffs- 12.5fga
    82 playoffs- 13.7fga
    85 playoffs- 11.9fga
    87 playoffs- 15fga
    88 playoffs- 13.7fga
    So, does that look like a “scoring” PG to you?

  • Jdilla

    I’m not comparing Rose to Magic, Magic didn’t average double digit assist until his 4th season. His assists increase after his 1st season, as his team got better. Same with Rose as his team get better so will his assist number…

  • r2j

    Bosh and Rose- Maybe. Wade and Rose-Yes. Rose and Bosh-No (Carlos Boozer effect.)LeBron and Rose-Yes. Highlight reel. Wade, LeBron and Rose-HELL NO. LeBron, Bosh and Rose-Maybe but with Bosh no. Until then let’s wait and see how game 1 will be.

  • http://slamonline.com JL

    it would have been more like rose-lbj-bosh or rose-wade-bosh. rose-wade-lbj would be good too, since noah is still in the middle and gibson is workable at PF. Seriously if they went to Chicago they woulda probably won more than 70 games.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics Byebye

    Drose would be a beast at shooting guard

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics Byebye

    Magic never ave more than 33 mins a game norm Nixon was his back up

  • T-Money

    I have no insider intel on this but I read that D-Rose was blowing up Bosh’s phone last summer and never called Rose or Bron because he didn’t want to share ball handling duties. Now, would 3 dominant ball handlers work? I find it a bit excessive but these guys are very talented and smart. Maybe.

  • http://nba.com theboyace

    Of course it would work. But i think it would work better with more of a passing PG. Like Rondo. Not saying Rose isnt a passing PG, just saying he should work more on his passing if this trio would be dominate

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com JUST BCUZ

    DO YOU PPL REALIZE d.rose is doubled teamed with another guy shadowing him on every single play!! yet he still scores and finds his teammates. stop with the comparisons to any other pg cause none of them are defended the way he is. westbrook gets a screen and he comes off into a wide open jumper 10 feet from the rim. if d.rose gets a screen everybody just goes with him. so he either beats the double team and the 3rd guy or he passes it the weakside. WHAT HE IS DOING IS INCREDIBLE AND NO IT WOULDNT WORK because d.rose believes in HIMSELF

  • http://wwww.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    tony parker would like to show some of you his finals mvp. didnt he avg 25?

  • manigault

    AD is so wrong Lebron would be the passer they would need dwade and rose to score

  • FLIGHT 9

    One of the two would have work but d.rose will not be d.rose if that happens… NO MVP maybe even NO all star status… But who cares coz bulls will win this whole thing when the smoke clears!!!!!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Tony Parker can be considered a shoot first point guard.

  • http://bulls.com airs

    meh.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Dang, Philo is simply droppin’ knowledge right now. Yeah, seeing these three on the same squad is just simply unrealistic to me, all three need the ball to make their full impact in games.

  • http://www.bulls.com. Rigo Gonzalez

    How do y’all always manage to go off on such a tangent? LOL

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    What happened to Enig? Or is Rigo Enig?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Jt21:
    20+ and 10+ assist is information that backs up my claim, if you are referring to me. If you are not referring to yours truly, then my apologies…
    Shout out @BlackPhantom.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    And JT, your stats on Magic in the Playoffs are based on your “shoot FIRST” argument, no? Not the “scoring” point guard argument, right?

  • http://dodgers.com Joey E.

    Heat in 5

  • Yesse

    Would have been a whole different game then, for the Bulls.

  • http://Slamonline.com Datkid

    I love d.rose…but ya’ll gotta get off his nuts

  • Irfan

    No.
    There’s one ball in a game… LeBron likes to do all on the court and then complain that he didn’t get enough help. Rose is a beast with the ball in his hands. Wade is a beast with the ball in his hands. Wade & Rose have been good closers (past years for D-W, this year for D-R) but LeBron wants to prove he can be one too (which he rarely did, but sometimes).
    And what was the point? Three of the top 5 or top 10 players in the League right now playing together? Come on!
    And finally… who cares? It’s conf. Finals time, focus on sthg else!

  • giogolo

    Lebron with drose would have worked better if it went that way than wade and d-rose but things right now a re for the better. now if miami could get rid of that guy clledd bosh and get nene instead and have j. anthony as center and they be all set. point guard with bibby,chalmers and even d.house is perfect for the 2 superstars.they’re all set.

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    AHahahah@people creating terms like “scoring point guards” unlike those point guards who can’t score.

  • marc

    Can someone define the definition of chuckin? Cause where i grew up we called someone a chucker when they took bad shots. And i think some of the shots rose is taking are good shots

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