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Wednesday, October 5th, 2011 at 10:36 am  |  170 responses

Scottie Pippen Still Believes LeBron James Will Be Better Than Michael Jordan


This whole thing sounds kind of familiar. Oh, right. Well, turns out Scottie Pippen’s belief that LeBron James may one day surpass Michael Jordan hasn’t changed, as he told Erin Sharoni: “‘My position is still the same,’ Pippen stated. ‘You’re talking about a very young kid who came to the game at a very young age. Statistically, he will probably be the best player at the end of the day…based on the number of years he can get in, [he’s a] super athlete, very versatile in a lot of ways.’”

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Only smart thing in the link is what Robert Horry had to say about the lockout.

  • dirk41

    i do not agree because he is losing the killer instint that is what make Jordan the best

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    Whilst the video I have watched of Mike says that its not even close, nbk has pointed out many times that comparing them at the same age its pretty even.

  • dirk41

    i do not agree because he does not have the killer instint that is what make Jordan that special

  • Tobiath

    Pippen may well be right, Lebron is an outstanding athlete and with experience his ability to handle pressure may well improve thus enabling him to help his team to multiple titles. He’ll always be at the upper levels of the PPG charts, he’s an excellent defender and like Pip said, he’s still got many years left in the game. I’m a believer of MJ being the GOAT and nobody else coming close but of the modern games players who still have years left in them (sorry Kobe fans) Lebron has the greatest opportunity of all to emulate what Jordan achieved in regards to stats and titles although he may never be as individually influential as MJ was on the outcome of finals series he could prove to be an excellent part of a whole team effort.

  • http://slamonline.com Carter

    Scottie, you have to be f**king kiddin’ me!!!

  • GP23

    You gotta be kiddin’ me Scottie !!! smh

  • http://nba.com GP23

    He should respect Mike more, I mean, lets be honest, without MJ, Scottie wouldn’t have any rings…

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Without MJ, Scottie would have no rings. I think Scottie forgets that…

  • yap33

    i agree eith Tobiath he can still improve on his flaws…..

  • http://nba.com GP23

    ^ my bad for writing it twice*

  • Lebron Haters suck

    Basically, scottie is being honest to his opinion, trust me, it would be easier for scottie to just agree like almost every other soul tht loves basketball, to say MJ is and always will be the greatest.
    On another note, kobe shoud never be compared to mj. Kobe is a criminal, and has settled his off the court problems with money whenever it comes out in the spotlight. kobe shouldnt be a role model other than the fact tht he loves ball more than himself. Lebron WILL be the greatest. its just about having an opinion, and ppl shuidnt critisize Pippen for tht. lebron is more explosive than jordan, and will continue to improve tht. Wait till Lebron taes him game to the post, i guarantee triple doubles all over the board. Jordan on the other hand is still a legend and the greatest, but to say Lebron cnt and wnt reach Jordan is a mere joke to me. Lebron will surpass MJ, whether it be rings or fame. Baskteball has yet to have a 2nd lebron! Why! because he is rare. rest my case here.

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/overdribbling chiqo

    statistically, it’s probably true. anything else, not so much. until lebron gets above three rings, it’s not worth even theorizing about, never mind matching the six.

  • logues

    statistically, ya bron will prolly have more points, rebounds, assists, etc. but bron will also have played more seaons having come in like 3 or 4 years earlier. but, i dont think bron will ever be as good as jordan. jordans game was so solid in pretty much every aspect, could post up, fade away, take you off the dribble, pass, could dunk on ppl, shoot 3, pull up, etc. brons game is all about power and being athletic for the most part. he hasnt developed a go-to post game that he can dominate a game with. so, when he starts to age and gets to be say kobes age, he aint gonna be able to dominate games like he does unless he develops a midrange post game, where he doesnt always have to over power or dunk on ppl. jordan was so dominant even at 35 cuz his midrange post game was unstoppable

  • logues

    hell, even he was like 40 playing with the wizards and couldnt jump as high or be as quick as other ppl he could still drop 50 on them cuz of that post game.

  • http://hoopism.com airs

    i’m too biased to comment on this.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lights out

    cosign Chiqo

  • the truth

    Jordan’s post game and his desire not to lose is what sets him apart. Now if bron actually takes the time to develop footwork (which yes, post footwork is all about repetition and practice) then the comparison could be closer….still give the edge to jordan tho, coldest dude on the court ever

  • Ali

    GTFOH Scottie…

  • http://www.thehoopscene.com lawlow

    BLASPHEMY

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance21

    Its really not that crazy of a statement. LBJ’s career if far from over, he has time to get rings. He stuffs the stat sheet. Jordan has just reached that legend status where no matter what you say, some people will always say he’s the greatest. I’m sure people thought no one would ever be better than Oscar Robertson, or Jerry West back in the day either.

  • Redrum

    Pips does not know his numbers. MJ lead the leagues in scoring 10 times (record), has the highest career PPG for regular season (30.1) and playoffs (33.4), has won 5 MVPs and 6 Final MVPs, while for his 10 first seasons he was a 52% shooter. Killer instict/leadership/clutch/intensity/coolness apart, how can Lebron even come close to these numbers???

  • Anouar23

    Cosign the Truth: The fact is that especially the lack of decent footwork makes Lebron more or less fundamentally challenged. Also his game is totally based on power , and less on finesse.

    Also I still don’t understand why people say that he’s so athletic, because all I see is some that is so physically developed that in my opinion he’s more a specimen of power/speed than athletic ability. Sure the guy can jump with the best of’em ,is extremely strong and is probably one of the fastest peeps in the game. Nevertheless I think that athletic ability is defined more by strength, speed, but also the ability to quickly change pace,in a straight line but also sideways. And being able when in air , to totally control your body . These are not aspects I see when I see Lebron going up and through players, and when peeps make him go out of his comfortzone he always uses the same powermoves.

    But what most sets Jordan apart from his peers is the killerinstinct, and a really high basketball IQ combined with the perfect mix of athletic ability ,speed, power and grace!

    Last but not least, we need to accept that there never will be another Jordan, as there will never be another Kobe or Lebron.

  • http://SLAM Al

    We will not know the answer to that question untilk LeBron’s playing career is over. But, Scottie should not let pure athleticism, size, and strength overwhelm his opinion. In addition to physical gifts, MJ had a singlemindedness of purpose that few atheletes share. From where I sit, LeBron isn’t even close in that regard.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance21

    @redrum I agree with you there. The move to Miami severely hurt LeBrons chances of reaching those scoring numbers and individual accolades. Unless he moves to a new team when his contract expires and has a late career scoring surge.

  • robb

    Scottie still believes in Santa Claus too.

  • misso

    I believe without pippen, Jordan would’ve never won as many as he did

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m pretty sure he was talking about totals. LeBron will if he stays healthy eclipse Kareem and will likely put himself out of reach as the league all-time leading scorer considering the age requirements nowadays. But he ain’t ever going to reach jordan’s per game scoring numbers. And it’s pretty hard to even think there is a “he’ll win enough titles to get in the MJ conversation” wagon.

  • jc

    “statistically” is the key word

  • MUBWAR

    the way lbj is playing right now, he can claim Kareem(points) and Stockton(assists and steals). With a few championships, that’s not too shabby

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He can’t reach Stockton. Nobody can reach Stockton. The chances of any player ever reaching those numbers are like .01% and that is not an exaggeration.

  • nonya

    LeBron potentially has the ability to achieve better states based on his age; but Jordan will forever be the greatest. People are forgetting how much easier the league has changed in terms of rules. It’s not as physical as it was b4. Anyways the game is still enjoyable to watch as their are more above the rim players. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

  • robb

    F*ck statistics.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Without Scottie, MJ would have no rings. I think MJ fans forget that sometimes.

  • MLK4Life

    @LeBron haters suck
    Kobe’s Colorado situation has absolutely nothing to do with this so there’s no need to bring it up. And he’s not a criminal. He was not convicted or proven guilty of anything. So that’s completely irrelevant here. Kobe’s detractors never seem to remember that he came into the league as the seventh man on his team. He was starting in the All-Star game in his second season while being the sixth man on his team. He turned himself into the second greatest two guard to ever play. So people need to stop it with bashing him.
    I believe the thing that will keep LeBron from ever being close to Jordan is the influence on his team. Jordan, without question, was always number one, something that Scottie may get tired of hearing which may have something to do with him making this comments for the second time. Jordan lifted his play as the season came to an end. He was at his best in the Finals. LeBron has to get to the Finals and be the main reason why his team wins to be compared to Jordan realistically. That’s going to be hard to do when he’s playing with a guy who almost singlehandedly defeated the Mavs in the Finals 5 years ago. LeBron’s game is predicated on power and athleticism. Jordan was strong, but the things that separated him from the rest were his work ethic and his mindset. When LeBron is no longer the strongest and fastest player on the floor every night, we will see how it goes.

  • http://hansdeiter33@gmail.com Bmack

    Scottie Pippen, you just love making me lose the respect I had for you inch by inch dont you

  • HAMMER

    Stats wise, I c Pip’s point. And no one’s catching Stockton just like no one’s catching DiMaggio. And even if LBJ stays healthy, I don’t c him catching Kareem either. Reason being that’s just too many years and games played.

  • BlackStar

    @ redrum – You speak the truth man. Statistically, Bron has a chance to pass Jordan in a few areas, but not on overall impact to the game. Bron lacks the desire to dominate and win that Jordan had, so that will make things hard for him. If Bron ever develops that, the NBA will be his for at least 8 years straight cause I don’t think the NBA has ever seen someone with Bron’s physical abilities. But all in all, MJ has that G.O.A.T. title on lock for a minute. 10 scoring titles!!!???? C’Mon Son … Who’s messing with that?

  • Jono

    He said statistically. I don’t think he meant the GREATEST. LeBrons pretty much better thank Jordan rebounds and assits on the stat sheet.

  • Nella

    GTFOH with the ‘stats’ argument. Let me know when LBJ even puts up anything close to 32.5/8/8 while shooting OVER 50% with over a block and 3 steals. Or has a season with 3.2 steals AND 1.6 blocks. From a 6’6 guard! And guess what, 27/7/7 isn’t as close as people think. If Bron is so explosive, why does he have a harder time finishing in a league where you can’t breath on a dude without there being a foul? If he wanted too, MJ could have crushed more all time records by playing more seasons, specifically his first retirement. There’s a reason why Jordan is the best – rings, heart, hard work, AND stat domination. People need to quit acting like LeBron’s stats set him apart. Check the actual numbers, he falls short to the GOAT.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance21

    Co-Sign JTaylor, people tend to act like Scottie was some aging vet that road Jordans coattails to 6 rings. He was just as important to Jordans success as Jordan was to his.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Black, KAJ/Magic/Russell beg to differ.

  • lol

    Quite obvious that Scottie still has shreds of resentment toward Michael for being his sidekick and not being recognized in the public for the impact he had on those Bulls teams. He sees a lot of himself in Lebron and probably appreciates (and wants others to appreciate) the type of player that Lebron is and the type of player that he was, rather than pure idolation of the domineering scoring type that Jordan was.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I need not waste my breath. No. Never. Not close. Kobe is the closest, and he’s Money’s foot stool.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, by close you mean Earth to Jupiter close?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Nice try. Even you have to admit. Kobe is the most similar to Mike. He plays the game nearly the same way. He is not as good on defense, but is no slouch. He’s not as good of a passer by a smidge. Jordans a better rebounder by a smidge. But offensively the cats are damn near identicle. Jordan was more effecient and slightly better at most things on the court. Thus making him better, but no not Earth to Jupiter. Mike’s on the Moon and Kobe is on Mt. Everest. LbJ is currently swimming with the all the other fishys.

  • http://Slamonline.coM nbk

    No

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kobe is physically the most similar to Jordan. And he scores similar to Jordan. But Jordan was much better and effective at everything. Saying Kobe is the closest to Jordan is like saying Honey Ham tastes like Bacon. Just because they fall under the same category doesn’t mean they should be compared.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    So just because he looks, walks, talks and shoots like MJ, that somehow makes him close to match MJ’s skills and dominance? Come on now.
    DHow damn nears copies everything Shaq ever did yet has not even come close to matching Shaq’s dominance.
    In terms of SGs, there’s MJ and there’s everyone else.

  • J. Lee

    (in my Phil Jackson voice) Scottie, Scottie come sit down next to me, i think those migraines are effecting you again.

  • HAMMER

    No. Pleez not the MJ/Kobe/Lebron debate again! Recycled arguments.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    You both lose your credibility entirely when you don’t admit how similar Kobe and Mike were/are. nbk, your being stupid man. Kobe is way closer to MJ than DHow is to Shaq.If the bacon has honey on it and tastes sort of like ham i’m going to do the intelligent thing and admit that the honey bacon that tastes like ham is close to ham. He doesn’t “look” like MJ Taylor? Does he? He doesn’t walk like MJ. He doesn’t even shoot like MJ. (Kobe has a better looking shot) Ya’ll need to wake up and crawl outta LbJ’s ‘King’ size bed and take off his panties. If you can’t admit that Kobe is more similar to Mike than anyone else and is the closest person to doing what MJ did than you have no basketball credentials.

  • Redrum

    Kobe’s best shooting percentage is 46.9% in 00-01. MJ NEVER shot below 46% in his career, apart from 45.7% in 85-85 (he came back from a broken leg), 41.1% when he came back in the 94-95 season. This is what pulls MJ apart from any volume scorer. his shooting efficiency. He was basically shooting 53% for most of his career, while taking more shots than anyone. These are crazy numbers, anyone who has coached a game and has had the pleasure to have a dominant scorer with such efficiency can understand how great MJ was. Kobe is a volume scorer, but he cannot even get close to MJs efficiency. LBJ for the first time in his career this year shot above 50%… come on guys… there is nothing in the numbers or Lebron’s mentality which suggests that he will ever be better than MJ. I agree with someone who said that it is obvious that Pips has some bad feelings about Michael. And I absolutely agree that likely MJ would have not had so much success in terms of winning rings if it was not for Pips. He was instrumental for the team’s success. Dr J and Bird apart, he might be the second best SF ever.

  • LA Huey

    It’s a bold statement but not unreasonable to think it can’t be accomplished.

  • Double J

    Now were starting irrelevant arguments, go look at the numbers at the games. Dwight Howard is no Shaquille O’neal.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Ok Kobe is the most “similar” in terms of playing style to MJ. He still doesn’t deserve to be compared to him. If you look like Brad Pitt would you go around telling women they might as well sleep with you, cuz your the “closest thing yet” – your being stupid. Kobe has had a completely different road to success then MJ, he has failure MJ never had, especially while he was still considered a top 2 (for the sake of making you happy) player in the league. Kobe has missed the playoffs entirely at the height of his prime, been swept after winning a title, and his career playoff/finals statistics look like baby food compared to Michael Jordan. So stop. your being stupid, none of us are talking about LeBron. You just have “i want kobe’s nuts in my mouth after their done covering my eyes” syndrome.

  • LA Huey

    In terms of SGs with their style of play and ring collection, LakeShow’s right about the MJ-Kobe comparison. I don’t think you can dispute that. I disagree with Kobe being the 2nd best SG of all-time though (unless you’re limiting that pool to Lakers SGs). And the gap between Kobe and MJ to Dwight and Shaq is blatantly incomparable at this point.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Actually last season was the 2nd time Bron has shot above 50% (’10/’11).
    Lake, what does Bron have to do with any of this? That’s what I despise most about Kobe fans, whenever Kobe’s name in mentioned in one shape or another, they find a way to include LeBron in the convo.
    Every stat, accolade and skill set points to MJ being miles ahead of Kobe.
    Also what the hell does “a better looking shot” have to do with anything? It’s all about putting the ball in the basket, there’s no such thing as style points. Go watch some figure skating if you’re looking for beauty and style points.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I doubt MJ would have dragged Smush Parker and Brian Cooks dumb a$$’ into the playoffs. Maybe he could have but it would have been just barely. I thought of you as the type that could take the glasses off and see the truth but obviously that isn’t happening. You don’t like Kobe therefore he cannot be close to MJ. That’s your point of view obviously. If you can’t admit that Kobe is a 95 to Mikes 100 then you have ZERO credibility.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Taylor did I say that the fact that he had a better shot made him better? Nope. It’s just a fact. That’s why it’s in parentheses because it’s not important it’s just there… geez, You need to read what people write instead of just filling in the blanks in your head. Of course Kobe is going to enter the debate when someone says that someone might be better than Mike and they aren’t even better than Kobe. Don’t act like you don’t bring Bron up all the time for no reason.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Like I’ve already said to you countless times. I am a Kobe Bryant fan. But I’m not an idiot. — And Jordan brought an even worse team to the playoffs in 85, his rookie year.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    LA Huey, that’s the only comparison I could come up with of another player blatantly trying to copy everything a past great did on and off the court. It’s not necessarily a bad thing but it gives people a false impression that those guys should be compared to Shaq and MJ.

  • LA Huey

    It’s pretty hard to compare the paths Mamba and Jordan took in the NBA too. Mamba came in as a supporting player, graduated to sidekick, and then to top dog. He’s reached the pinnacle fairly early in his career, also had to play for a rebuilding team in his prime but never took extended time away from the game throughout his career. Jordan’s been his team’s Alpha from day one, spent about 7 years suffering bitter defeats until he broke though, and took time-off twice before hanging it up for good. Vastly different career archs so it’s tough to compare their legacies.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    pippen is um… no longer apart of the bulls organization right now.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    They shouldn’t be compared. YOu can call Kobe the second best SG of all time and I’ll let you have that opinion, it’s not mine, but its a fair argument. But comparing Kobe to Michael is like comparing Bob Cousy to Magic Johnson. Or Moses Malone to Wilt Chamberlain. He is/was one of the greatest of all time, but there is no comparison worth discussing unless it’s about second best. Compare Kobe’s career to Larry Bird’s, that is a good argument.

  • EducatedRon

    Pippen, Jordan, Phil Jackson and maybe Ron Harper are the only people in the world that can comment
    On Jordans legacy and air apparents.

    Lebron is not better than Jordan but could be.

    He Is stronger, taller , better passer and shot blocking and rebounding
    Are close.

    It’s possible for him to improve mentally
    It’s possible to improve outside shot.

    Ask Jordan or rose

    Not better now. But unbiasedly the potential is really there

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lakeshow, it’s your prerogative. Believe what you may. I just have one question? How is Kobe a 95 to MJ’s 100 when MJ never lost in the Finals (kobe twice), never missed the playoffs as a go-to guy (Kobe once), was never swept with a good support cast around him (Kobe has), has 5 RS MVPs, 6 Finals MVPs, 10 Scoring titles and I DPOY (Kobe has 1 RS MVP, 2 Finals MVPs, 2 Scoring titles and no DPOY). Not to mention MJ has almost 5,000 more points in the same amount of career games as Kobe.
    That’s like comparing a BMW to a Bugatti or a Speedboat to a Yatch or a G5 to a Cessna 172 or a….never mind.

  • bike

    Pippen isn’t saying that Jordan and LeBron are similar players. He’s saying he believes that LBJ has a good chance as being the better overall player. And he is right. LeBron’s skill set combined with his size and athletic ability results in a player with no equal in history. LeBron has the potential to be the G.O.A.T. Will he? Maybe. Maybe not. He will have to develop the insane competitive fire that Jordan had to achieve that status. But he has the potential. No question. Please continue.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    You are not a fan of KB.I have never once seen you say anything good about him. And we are talking about one of the greatest to ever play the game. You have nothing good to say about Kobe. I’m a huuuuuge LBJ fan also. So I see where your coming from… If you can’t admit Kobe is a 95 to MJ’s 100 than you just dislike Kobe and you are unable to see how good he is.

  • DeeDre

    You can say without Scottie MJ would have no rings all you want but that’s true across the entire basketball spectrum. Without Shaq, Kobe wouldn’t have any rings. Without Kobe or Wade, Shaq wouldn’t have any rings. That doesn’t mean that MJ was any less of a player than what he was. It’s the NBA. The closest someone has ever gotten to leading their team single handedly to a championship is Lebron James in 2007 and he lost to the Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Who of course wouldn’t have won without Tony Parker

  • DeeDre

    Oh yeah, and without Gasol Kobe wouldnt have any rings post-Shaq era

  • http://Slamonline.coM nbk

    Your right wht I just said was blind hate. Your an idiot lakeshow

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    The King is the greatest ball player in the world since Jordan.
    But, he’ll never be better than Jordan.
    He’ll never as good as Jordan.
    He’ll never be as good as, or better than Joe Bird.
    It’s too late, and he’s lost a step.

  • LA Huey

    @DeeDre, see Hakeem Olajuwon in 1994. But I see the point you’re making, it’s a damn rarity.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Tim Duncan has a solo ring, too…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, how bout coming up with a good argument to back up your claim rather than falling back on the tiresome “you’re a hater” line.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    ^^ Uhh… Lebron has been in the league way too long to ‘become’ anything at this point. He is who he is pretty much, which is not a bad thing at all. To compare MJ to Lebron is difficult, given their positions and styles of play. As for Kobe, A SI writter put in the best way by saying “Kobe seems to be tracing MJ’s career…. backwards.” If Kobe weren’t great to at least some degree, he wouldn’t be part of this conversation.

  • BlackNicholson

    Kareem is the Goat… Because of his religious beliefs he doesn’t get the props he deserves. He won on every level, and they stopped dunking because of him. Shut up with the Jordan is the best, say he is the best you seen, but Kareem has 3 titles in High School, College, and 6 in the pros. He also has 6 mvps….

  • DeeDre

    @The Philosopher, what year? Yeah Hakeem is one too. I was too young to follow basketball that year but in my opinion its easier for a dominant big man in the middle to lead a team than a PG SG, or SF no matter how talented you are at those positions

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Philo (if that’s really you), I’m surprised by your comment.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Well as usual it becomes tiresome arguing for Kobe against LbJ’s panty brigade. You all are acting like i’m saying that Kobe is just about on Mikes level. And your idiots for thinking that. I said in my first post that KB is Mikes foot stool. Does that sound like he is as good as him? If you think that Kobe and MJ play 1 on 1 ten times and Kobe doesn’t come out on top in at least 5 then you don’t recognize the talent Bean has. Keep on telling me how the ringless ‘King’ is twice as good as good as Kobe and blah blah blah whatever. Go jerkit to some 2006 Cavalier stat sheets now.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Show me that hater line Taylor I can’t find it…

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    BlackNicholson; Ok, but MJ is the reason that you possibly behave, play, and especially dress the way you do basketball wise. Can you imagine basketball without Michael Jordan? Right, neither can anyone else. The influence itself is retarded.

  • LA Huey

    @BlackNicholson, has a point to which I agree. Jordan is often stated as unquestionably the GOAT. KAJ’s got as many rings and comparable hardware. Russell has more rings than fingers. Jordan’s has a better public image because he didn’t take the controversial/confrontational stance that KAJ and BRussell did. Because of that, Jordan’s legacy eclipses everyone else’s for sure and what he’s done is more impressive as a perimeter player in a game played above the rim, but as far as overall dominance throughout a career I don’t think he’s inarguably the greatest.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    @DeeDre:
    Duncan’s first ring.
    Robinson was near the end of his career.
    @Spaceship:
    It is I.
    I like to come up here with the hyperbole, but, I am aware (I think) of what it is when it comes to The King.
    He’s great. An all time great. As is Kobe.
    But, neither one of them are as good as some of the players that are currently being discussed on this thread.
    In my judgement.
    Jordan’s era was the golden era of professional basketball as far as overall skill. Many Hall of Fame players in those days.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Dislike – Hater, what’s the difference?
    There you go again with bringing up LeBron’s name in conversation that has nothing to do with him whatsoever.
    Like I said you’re just like every other Kobe fan roaming the web. They ignore the facts while failing to produce any counter agruments and choose to label everyone that disagrees with the notion of comparing MJ to Kobe a hater or a Lebron lover. You’re better off arguing with a mule.

  • http://Slamonline.coM nbk

    Nobody said LeBron was better then Kobe all-time. You bring up irrelevant sh*t like one on one. Your just defensive, You realize you started this with your 2:12 comment,where you tried to make it sound like they are close and the comparison is legitimate. You can say footstool comments all you want, but when you follow it with blatant ridiculousness then you are going to get called out. Its cute though that you always revert back to your biased opinion (kobe is a “95″ to Jordan’s “100″ haha whatever that stupid sh*t is supposed to mean) and name calling, makes you seem sooper smart.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    My guys, nbk and JT21 with the classic confrontation…

  • dahon

    its all good scottie, only time will tell. fak the lock out!!!

  • Red Star

    Omg! This again! smh

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Philo; I completley agree. To insert a prime Pat Ewing, DRob, Barkley, Olajuwan, Stockton, Drexler, Isiah, Pippen, Payton, Malone, Rodman, etc. into today’s league would mean the absolute death (basketball wise of course) of some of… most (all?) of the top 50 being mentioned on Slam now. I saw an old playoff game where Barkley had 21 rebounds with an injured leg against Olajuwan’s Rockets… in the first half.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Oh, and, The King is better than Kobe…

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Lebron is better than Kobe currently, and he’ll probably have an overall better career than Kobe also; he already has one more MVP than Kobe. But #8/new 24/ 81 scoring/ Score 50 for 2 weeks/ 60/50 points in 3-quarters/ Odd semi-backwards dunking Kobe? Na.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    GOTDAMN, has anyone played the 97/98 John Stockton challenge against the 97/98 Lakers yet? Frigh-ten-ing.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    “You would never have seen Michael Jordan win a championship without Scottie Pippen and Scottie Pippen never won a championship without Michael Jordan”. Straight from the horse’s mouth, with the horse being MJ.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Spaceship Jay:
    We’ll never see an era like that again, in my opinion.
    For, many factors bring me to that thesis.
    One, the rules of today allow for a player to more easily mask his deficiencies. Glorify his strengths.
    Another is technology.
    With the advent of the internet,(along with other things) there is less of an incentive for a player(s) to hone his/her craft. Master his/her skill. Less time at the park.
    I think that it also spills onto other sports.
    Yet another factor is, when a player makes it to prime time, there is again less time to work on the skills because, there is so much of their time that is demanded of them (TV, movies, etc.,) that their overall game suffers.
    Then, the overall sport, skill wise, suffers.

  • Bones

    Michael Jordan at one.
    Lebron James two.
    Kobe Bryant three.

  • seriousblack

    1) Lebron does have the POTENTIAL to be the greatest overall. He currently doesn’t have the killer instinct of MJ and Kobe so he’s not close yet. 2) Kobe has patterned everything from his game and shot celebrations down to his walk and mannerisms after MJ. How is that even a debate? Its so true it’s actually creepy. He’s also an 89 to MJ’s 100. His first 3 chips were with a prime Shaq. Nuff said. Love Kobe the player, but he’s not on MJ’s level.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    ^^Interesting.
    Maybe that is why Kobe Bryant seems to be losing his mind. Beating up God fearing brethren.
    The whole “want to be Jordan” thing may have finally caught up to him to the point where he cannot control himself at times.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    *Yes, I’m making an attempt at trolling. My bad, SLAM.*

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    MJ won all 6 of his rings with a Prime Scotty, and 3 with Rodman. Nuff said.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Mmmh, also black, could you point me to where someone said the Kobe is on MJ’s level. I missed that crazy comment by someone. Oh wait, no one said that? Okay got ya. I learned to read in elementary. Go me!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    hahaha comparing Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman to Shaq is funny

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    mmh, and nbk to your 3:28 name calling comment, I refer you back to your comment posted a 22 mins before, nbk Posted: Oct.5 at 3:06 pm
    “Your right wht I just said was blind hate. Your an idiot lakeshow”

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    The best SF defender and the best PF defender of all time. Uhhh… ya they are comparable..

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Because I said in my previous comment that Kobe should be compared to Larry Bird. The day that is a negative comment is the day your an idiot. Which is today, according to you. And I quote LakeShow Posted: Oct.5 at 3:03 pm
    “You are not a fan of KB.I have never once seen you say anything good about him. And we are talking about one of the greatest to ever play the game. You have nothing good to say about Kobe. I’m a huuuuuge LBJ fan also. So I see where your coming from… If you can’t admit Kobe is a 95 to MJ’s 100 than you just dislike Kobe and you are unable to see how good he is.” So yes I called you an idiot, but not out of frustration, out of honesty.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    HA!
    My guys, LakeShow and nbk with the classic confrontation…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Shaq is better then Kobe all time. Shaq can’t be compared to any second fiddle. Or third fiddle. Or a combination of a second and third fiddle. Sh*t during one of Kobe’s championship series’ (his first) he was such a non-factor he went for 14, 2, DNP, 28, 8, 26. And your here trying to compare Shaq to Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman. hah

  • seriousblack

    Um Lake, you just compared having a prime Shaq to having Rodman and Pip. End of convo.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Intellectual dishonesty.

  • seriousblack

    @”Philosopher”: Sorry. I got bored after the first sentence so I stopped reading.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    5:02 p.m. is not towards anyone.
    I just have been wanting to use that term up here for a while.
    Shout out to Hugh Hamilton.

  • wishuwould247

    Statistics is the ONLY way Lebron can be better than Mike. I’m a old Bulls fan and now I’m a Heat fan (since 04), D-wade is the closes I seen to Mike. People get caught up in numbers too quick with Pip being no exception. With Mike, it was his WILL and HEART. He was unbreakable, he would have died on the court to get a win. You either have it or you don’t. Lebron don’t. Hes not even the best player on his team. Just like numbers, people also get caught up in the physical. Lebron is a freak of nature but that doesn’t translate into Mike. Remember, Mike wasn’t a freak of nature. Along with his will and heart was hard work to transform his body into war machine to take out anything that stood in his way (Detroit Piston Bad Boys). The NBA is still entertaining but it will never shine the same way it did when Mike was the man. P.S. 96 Bulls were the best!!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Shaq won a ring with Dwyane Wade, and made him look like the best player on earth. (something he gets almost no credit for, which is befuddling) Scottie Pippen couldn’t get out of the first round with (on the way down the hill, but still pretty damn good) Charles Barkley and Hakeem Olajuwan.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    @seriousblack:
    What are you referring to, if you do not mind me asking?
    And, are you the same “seriousblack” that discusses topics on the BBC link on Facebook?

  • seriousblack

    Was referring to the trolling thing. And no, I’m not.

  • Alekesam

    To be fair, Scottie did get out of the first round on a Jordan-less Bulls but ultimately was taken down by the Knicks.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Damn. I thought that was you.
    Glad I didn’t say anything related to SLAM to the “Facebook seriousblack”.

  • http://slamonline.com LA Huey

    @nbk, I think that was the 2nd year together with Dream and Chuck. I’m pretty sure, in their first year together, they made it to the WCF and got knocked out by Stockton’s 3 in Game 6 in ’97.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    That was Chuck, Hakeem & Clyde. that was in 96-97 fam.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Scottie was a Rocket in 98-99

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    f*ckin puters. I have gotten a virus and restarted my server 5 times in the last hour. Everytime I get a paragraph done for something at work, or to post here on slam my computer just shuts down. F today.

  • http://slamonline.com LA Huey

    You’re right. Apologies to the Glide for my oversight as well.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    download Malware Bites man.

  • http://slamonline.com LA Huey

    *1st reply didn’t post
    You’re right, nbk. Apologies to The Glide for my oversight.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    K, back in action. nbk, you need to quit taking things away from guys. D-Wade made D-Wade look good. Shaq makes Shaq look good. Kobe makes Kobe look good. You always want to discredit champions, but I know that if the day ever comes where LbJ wins a chip, it won’t be “oh man D-Wade made LeBron look good”, or, “LbJ couldn’t do it without Wade”. It’ll be all about how amazing LeBron is and how he can do so many things and he’s so amazing. Give it a break man, give credit where credit is due.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    LBJ can’t do it without Wade. I’ll say that right now. If Wade gets injured Miami ain’t winning a title. I have never been unrealistic about what I say about anyone. Your crazy man, name 1 thing that i have ever said that is an exaggeration of LeBron’s skill? or anyone’s skill for that matter.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You get defensive about people saying Kobe shouldn’t be compared to Michael Jordan. You act like that is a negative thing to say. I wish people had to say I’m not worth comparing to Jordan, but that’s not necessary. I think it’s a testament to Kobe Bryant’s greatness just having people like you who are soo in awe of him they can’t discern realistic criticism from dislike. Praise like saying he’s a top 15 ever player is an insult according to the way you react and the things you say. learn to take your bias out of your ability to judge a basketball player and you’ll notice that I have no favorites, just arguments that come up more often then others.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    THE KING, y’all!
    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!

  • Big Jake

    Scottie is a fool. Without Jordan, no one would know who Scottie Pippen is. He’s about as good as guys like Stephen Jackson or Jerry Stackhouse. Guys that wouldn’t ever be discussed as being Top 50 all time, but still have solid, long careers. Pippen was just the guy who got the ball when Jordan was double and triple teamed. he sucked when he wasn’t on the bulls, and so did his teams. No one would even talk about Scottie Pippen if it wasn’t for Michael Jordan. He’s got a lot of nerve to disrespect him like that. Its one thing for him to think lebron will be better, but keep it to yourself, and don’t disrespect the greatest ever.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

  • http://nba.com/lakers LakeShow

    What Bias? Kobe is the only player you can in anyway compare to MJ. That is a fact. No player has done anthing close to the things MJ did. Except Kobe. You can’t, for some reason, bring yourself to this truth. Here maybe wikipedia can help you. comparable: having features in common with something else to permit or suggest comparison. Okay, so heres a sentence to help also. An elephant is comparable in size to a double-decker bus.

    Now wait a min. Elephants are bigger than Double Decker busses aren’t they. Well they are close to the same size. But not that close. Lets say for instance the bus is 1000lbs lighter than an elephant. Now thats allot of weight and that means they aren’t really that comparable right? Well they are because you are comparing them. No one compares you to MJ because your not even a semi pro ball player. People compare Kobe to Mj because he is… comparable… hmm. wisdom is power. power is awesome. Go us! Kobe is probably top 10 btw. If he gets one more ring and has a good last few years with no major problems he is top 10.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    that is what you revert too, seriously, you looked up “comparison” on wikipedia and tried to apply that too NBA players? lol I already said, and i quote, “Ok Kobe is the most “similar” in terms of playing style to MJ.” He is also similar to him physically, but so is countless other players, like all the other irrelevant analogies you used from your wikipedia expedition. You wanna know what makes more sense then Comparing Kobe to Michael Jordan? Comparing Kobe to Julius Erving’s ABA & NBA career. Who gives a f*ck if Kobe acts like Jordan, he doesn’t produce like him, never has, never will. He doesn’t win like him. He doesn’t lead his teammates like him. He doesn’t defend like him. He doesn’t perform in the playoffs like him. He doesnt perform in the finals like him. There is nothing about Kobe Bryant’s basketball career that is comparable to Michael Jordan other then Physical similarities. And nobody said they weren’t physically similar. Basketball wise, Kobe isn’t even close. And you can’t PROVE otherwise, infact, you can’t even come up with a logical argument. Just a bunch of, “if you can’t see this, then you have no credibility” – Kobe hasn’t come close to doing what MJ did, just because he won rings doesn’t make them comparable as players. He did it under completely different circumstances, with completely different results, and had less success in every imaginable way doing it. So something intelligent to show what your even trying to say, because so far, all you have shown so far is an insistence on your own opinion as something more then what it is. a biased point of view

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, not to continue beating a dead horse but you have yet to point out the things Kobe has done that are comparable to MJ. You continue to say “he’s the only player comparable to MJ” yet fail to point out in what specific way (skill-wise and accomplishments). Just because you believe in your mind that he’s comparable to MJ doesn’t make it a reality.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    It’s one of those days where the basketball gods are trying to stop me from commenting. My computer is shot but I just restored it to monday so lets so if i’m back in action. I’ll tell you why they are comparable….

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    And you know who the basketball god is, right?

  • Hornet31

    Has Le Bron had any severe injuries that have stopped him doing what he used to ala MJ and Kobe?

    Statistically I agree he could be good but dont mean squat if you don’t get the W

  • MikeC.

    NBA Finals record: Lebron James 0-2. Michael Jordan 6-0. Are we done yet?

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    The dummies stating Kobe is not on MJ level are stupid. When NBA scouts, NBA greats, Media anyalsts and plenty of other people who are on the highest level of basketball compare him like Mark Jackson andMagic Johnson and others, then I can state the same thing. Also Lebron James might not have a better career than Wade in the future. I truly believe if Heat win title Wade will close and get the Finals MVP. Lebron career can’t touch Kobe career right now. Also Lebron has lost two straight Finals in his career, with some considered the second best player in NBA behind him and a Bosh who is a top 12 player. Lebron is overrated and he needs to be compared to Dominique Wilkins until he gets more than just stats. BOOK IT!!

  • zach

    The Seed is a moron. Plain and simple.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    I love how you guys act like Lebron isnt a 8-9 year veteran and is capable of learning to tricks. Yikes.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    *new tricks

  • http://www.kbv4.com KBV4

    helll nawwww

  • http://rj_bfp10@yahoo.com John

    For me lebr0n will nvr nvr surpass mj..lebr0n will just like to karl malone ended a career with no ring..lebron has no skills in assist same with kobe than mj..so its hard for them to have a triple double than mj..

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    I’m surprised this thread isn’t like 250+ yet

  • DukeFromDeep

    These forums rule… so many opinions.
    @lakeshow… give up dude! NBK has you in the bag. KB24 is jordan-esque but is not even close career wise. LBJ is 7-8 years in and def does’nt have the killer attitude that jordan had. Jordan prime is GOAT fo sho!!!

  • DukeFromDeep

    @Spaceship Jay.
    Mate yr right…LBJ prove us wrong! Learn a post game..I dare you!

  • balher

    To be the best of all-time gotta win first period. You can’t just win once and the fact he has 2 potential all nba players on his team may take his greatness away from him.Kobe is the most skilled and competitive player in the league hence comparison to mj. Can’t be like Mike with so so footwork and no killer instinct.And if your comparing players;what they do off the court should have nothing to do with them being better than someone else. This is no nice guy contest.

  • O

    LeBron WILLL eventually become the greatest player of this generation (Sorry Kobe), but my generation will always remember Michael Jordan as the GOAT and wear his kicks with great pride and freshness. Older generations still say Dr. J, Magic, and Wilt (RIP, Papo), are the Kings of past, but at the end of the day, to me, it’s Jordan. Sure, MJ was 28 when he won his first title, but look at the talent in different positions that he DESTROYED to win 6 titles. MJ left CLASSES of Hall of Famers ringless. LeBron will leave like one team of HOF’s ringless. So sorry, Scottie, as much as you resent MJ for making you a HOF, LeBron will never make you feel better about your role in the NBA.

  • emma

    i am too, biased to comment on this! haha

    i mean, where the hell is kobe on this scenario? jumping from kobe to lebron already?

  • iannyb

    Most of you need to take a break from sucking MJ’s dick and look at it for what it is. You make it seem like there is no topping MJ. In this day and age with the athletic freaks we got parading the game…anything is damn near possible. With that being said…Lebron has the best shot of anybody right now…Go for it kido

  • Justin

    Seed, how can you constantly come on here and be as much of a moron as you are. Dominique Wilkins? Really? And you mention all of these greats (Mark Jackson?) that make a favourable comparison, well how about Kobe himself saying he’s not as good as Michael was? I’d say that should shut the argument down right there. LakeShow, you need to stop while you’re ahead. All credibility was lost with the “Kobe is 95 to MJ’s 100″ and followed with Kobe being his footstool. 5 points is a footstool? The comparing of Shaq to Scottie and Rodman is laughable too. NBK, it should be pointed out that the Hakeem, Pippen, Barkley led Rockets were a little past their prime as well

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  • Justin

    iannyb, it has nothing to do with sucking MJ’s dick. It has everything to do with calling it like it is. We are never going to see another Michael Jordan, at least not in our lifetime. You will have guys that will score more, especially by playing more seasons than MJ did. Let’s not forget how many more points he would have scored if he hadn’t retired those two times and I don’t think anyone is kidding themselves that the Houston Rockets would have beaten the Bulls in 94 and 95.

  • http://nba.com/lakers LakeShow

    Alright well basically fellas, they are comparable because of a few things, let me bring you insight. They both have elite handles. Enough so that they can bring the ball up or be given the ball at anytime and they can create off the dribble with those ball handling skills. Neither is a better ball handler than the other. They are both two of the more elite ball handling shooting guards to play the game. Despite both being 6’6″ perimeter players they both have elite post skills per their positions. The both have incredible footwork. Both had an arsenal of offensive moves. Many Kobe learned from Mike. Many from other players and his own creations also. How many shooting guards post up? I can think of more PG’s than SG’s that post up so they are unique in that sense. MJ could shoot from anywhere on the floor with anyone in his face and it wouldn’t matter. Kobe actually takes that part of his game to another level. KB can shoot with a hand covering his eyes and still make the shot. I’ve seen it countless times for it to be a fluke. He is also more capable with his left hand then Jordan was. Kobe does have the better outside shot. MJ got his 3 point shooting up to 38% one year, but KB has maintained overall a more solid % from deep over his career. He can also be found amoung the all time charts for 3ptrs made. He should be top 10 or top 5 in that category when he hangs it up. MJ isn’t sniffing the top 40.

    Theres also something to be said about the differences from this generation to last. The League shooting was 3 to 4 % higher during MJ’s years. And now is in total that much lower by the average of every team. KB shoots about the same % lower than MJ did as the whole League did. That says something. Everyone wasn’t just a better shooter back then. There was a higher speed to the game therefore more easy layups and transition buckets. Although the defense was allowed to do more (hand check) they weren’t as tight as they are today for the most part. Some teams more than others played good D, but in general the open gaps you can see in the older games are filled allot quicker these days.
    Jordan shot .482 when he averaged 37 a game. The league shot .480
    Kobe shot .463 when the L shot .458

    What do you guys make of those numbers?

    Clutch Factor: Aww yes, the game on the line who you want taking it. I raise my hand for Mj. You guys probably do also. BUT, if I get Kobe as my second choice. I’m going in with equal confidence. His team mates have said it. His coaches have said it. His fellow opponets have said it and know it. Game winners prove it. Kobe is clutch!

    Theres allot more to get into. But this is just a little something that tells you why we can compare Kobe to Jordan. Even if he’s not quite on his level. He’s comparable. Like an Elephant to a Double Decker Bus. Kobe only scored 35 per game in his best statistical year where as Jordan scored 37. Well that’s two points a game difference. Pretty comparable in my eyes judging the fact that it came from someone that plays the same postion the same way(ish). They also are two of the best 2 way players. Meaning they kill you on offense and on defense. Kobe has fallen of the last year or two. But everyone would agree he was a great defender in his prime. He only ever gathered more than 2 steals a couple times. Where as Jordan was always in the 2 and usually closer to 3, and a couple years of over 3 steals per contest. Jordan was more athletic and strong. Kobe is strong and athletic, but not where MJ was.
    What it comes down to is Jordan was 2 points, 1 rebound, and 1 assist and 1 steal better than Kobe in their best years. I’ll take Jordan over Kobe. But you boys need to re-watch some classic Kobe if you think he isn’t comparable to Jordan. I have the benefit of having League Pass and watching every single game of his for quite some years now, but dig up some old archive footage if you need visual proof of Kobe greatness and similarities to Jordan. Oh yeah Kobe will have the same number or more of rings as MJ when it’s said and done. So just throw that on top :)

  • Cignux

    I don’t know guys, but kobe has the best footwork moves since Jordan. Seemingly his Post moves are identical to MJ, the fadeaway
    almost with the same results, his killer instict is above other in the league, even with all those skill he is far far far away from MJ, but like MJ said: Kobe is my closest.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He isn’t nearly as good as Jordan. He has skills like Jordan. Put up stats like Jordan once, except much less efficiently. Isn’t nearly the defender, sorry. not even close. Jordan was the best defender in the league for a 2 or 3 year stretch. Kobe was never even the best defensive wing. League shooting% really? And your just picking up stats that you think closely resemble Jordan. It’s why you pointed out they were only close in stats at the very height of their greatness. But guess what? Longevity and consistency is what makes a great player greater then another. Kobe’s career scoring average is lower then Dwyane Wade. His career everything is lower then Oscar Robertson. But you are here arguing adamently that he should be compared to the best player of all time, because they play a similar style of basketball. But as players, Jordan > Bryant, and it isn’t worth talking about…aka comparing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and matching Jordan in rings isn’t something that merits them being compared, IF that happens, then 4 of his 6 rings will have come with him being the 2nd best player on the team. Cuz the Lakers with Kobe as the top player are not winning a title. I think that’s pretty obvious considering he’s getting worse every year, and they just got swept. smh compare Kobe to someone who is actually a good comparison, which is basically any player in NBA history not named Michael Jordan. fin

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    ^ that means, unless they get Dwight Howard or Chris Paul they aren’t winning a title. It has nothing to do with Pau Gasol.

  • cignux

    @nbk you are talking about the stats in all that things that Kobe isn’t nearly as good as Jordan. But Kobe was with one of the best scorer in the league that would be Shaq, Jordan didn’t have anybody on his team that couldn’t score like he did, it was all about MJ, while Kobe had Shaq as first option on the team in his earliest years, so don’t bring that out that Wade has better numbers than Kobe, because Wade was in the same position as Jordan, nobody near of him that could score 20+ points beside him. Imagine how many points Kobe could had accumulated without Shaq, and I’m quite sure that you gonna say without Shaq Kobe wouldn’t have any of his three first rings, but I’m just referring to the stats.

  • http://Slamonline.coM nbk

    If that were true Kobe would have more theb 3 30PPG seasons for his whole career. He didnt play with Shaq for what should’ve been his whole prime. His numbers without shaq, pretty much mirror his numbers with him. Except 06

  • efftheowners

    to say the kobe doesnt belong in the discussion just screams hater. both jerry west and john wooden have previously spoken out on how kobe is the best they’ve ever seen. and their bball minds are respected more than most (if not all in woodens case) and especially more than scotties.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    first of all Jerry West called Kobe the “greatest LAKER ever” not player. And he isn’t better then Magic All-Time, that’s also absurd. John Wooden SUPPOSEDLY said that to Bob Einstein (actor), and then Einstein said that to Bill Simmons on his podcast. John Wooden Rest his Sole was atleast 10 years removed from watching Michael Jordan, and was dying. He was also an LA native (more exposure to Kobe then Jordan, and as any Laker fan can tell you, the more exposure the more your opinion gets fogged). He was 99 years old when he said that. Tell me the last time you believed the opinion of a 99 year old to be unequivocally true? I bet if you asked Wooden 3 months later he would have given you a different answer.

  • Justin

    I don’t understand why Lakeshow keeps up this futile debate, especially with the way nbk just keeps knocking his arguments out of the ballpark.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Justin, I recognized they were on their way down hill, but they weren’t anything less then some of the best players in the league still. Barkley put up 23 and 13.8RPG in the playoffs. Hakeem was who lost his edge, but still, your 3 of the top 25 players of all time, you can’t win 1 series?

  • http://nba hot2rest

    hey, I am a big fan of both guys. lebron needs to step up his game on foot work, low post game, and on top of all that he needs to step up on is to be tough and phisical. he plays phisical but not enough. adn he needs to forget about out side the court or beeng booed by fans.cuz mj faced everything.but other than that, he is a good player. needs to play and have faith in himself…have heart of warrior…

  • http://bleacherreport reginaldn17

    Lebron has choke on his resume with Cleveland, and choke on his resume with Miami. MJ has no chokes on his resume, and neither does Kobe.MJ and Kobe are at their best in the 4th qtr when games on the line.Until Lebron impoves his 4th qtr performances to bring home those championships time after time as MJ and Kobe has already done, then he is not there.Even when the Bulls were getting beat by the Pistons back in MJ’s early years, MJ had his A games on.

  • Bill Breedley

    Lebron will never even be a Kobe, what more an mj. Can’t compare the queen to these two cats.

    Mj came into the league the team’s alpha dog and left as the entire leagues alpha dog
    Kobe was a sidekick then became alpha dog
    Lebron came into the league his team’s alpha dog and then was delegated to dwades sidekick. Hmmmm something wrong here
    We are all witnesses?!?!?

  • Bill Breedley

    There is only 1 thing lbj has matched that Kobe has done so far… That’s lose twice in the finals. Difference though is Kobe mixed in 5 rings in the process.

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