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Monday, December 12th, 2011 at 2:21 pm  |  147 responses

Chris Paul-to-Clippers Trade is Dead, for Now


Chris Paul and his trade status are still very much up in the air, with no end in sight for this nightmare: “The Los Angeles Clippers rejected NBA commissioner David Stern’s steep demands to complete a trade for New Orleans Hornets All-Star guard Chris Paul, and talks of a blockbuster deal perished on Monday afternoon, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. Sources didn’t preclude the talks from re-starting again, but the Clippers weren’t willing to meet the the NBA and Hornets demands for Paul, sources said. The NBA has been been running the trade talks for Paul, usurping the power of general manager Dell Demps.”

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  • http://nba.com GP23

    So basically, Chris Paul can’t go anywhere.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    What the hell is Stern doing? The moron actually thinks that someone is going to buy the hornets knowing that CP is going to be gone after the season. Stern has taken a big hit to his legacy the past couple of months with the lockout and now this.

  • james

    NBA is jerking around Chris Paul suitors like they were the NBAPA . . . Good negotiating ploy by LA Clippers to pull out of the trade.

  • Jose

    They are asking for WAY too much: Aminu, kaman, bledsoe, gordon, minny’s first rounder.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    What’s the rush? Still a lot of time between now and the trade deadline.

  • http://www.chicagoskyblog.wordpress.com audsquad

    Dang, he just can’t catch a break can he?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    THEY CAN’T GET A BETTER OFFER THAN THIS. And SELLING THE TEAM is the rush. Nobody wants to buy a team when they know the roster will look drastically different in no more than 3 months.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR6ULRp3Uqk Overtime

    Agree with JTaylor, this is beyond stupidity. Out of interest, does anyone actually know of this happening before? As in the NBA owning a team and essentially running it? i assume it happened sometime during the league’s inception, but I’m talking like since the 70′s?
    He is blatently just trying to bully teams into taking a bad deal. And personally, I see this as more of a hit to his legacy than the lockout (at least there were others involved in that)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    It has not. In any sport.

  • http://www.nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Co-sign Jose.
    Way too much for one player, especially considering Minny’s pick is unprotected in a deep draft that could net you a possible franchise player.

  • http://www.chicagoskyblog.wordpress.com audsquad

    ^Dang it Slam^ that’s my comment!

  • http://theurbangriot.com The NUPE

    I think the ‘issue’ in this deal was that the Clippers didn’t want to include Eric Gordon, they believe that Kaman and Minny’s first round pick should have been enough. I don’t disagree with them because I think adding Gordon would have been too much and still not given them the 3 ‘marquee players’ they’ll need to compete. IF they can keep Blake and then they get a top 5 pick in next draft and their own first rounder, they’ll have a lot of talented youth on the squad. So anothe year of patience may not be a bad thing for the Clips.

  • JoeMaMa

    “If I close my eyes, plug my ears, and go into a dark room, then no one can tell me that this team should be contracted. Yeah…I’ll just stay here until the Clippers give up Griffin, Gordon, and…and, and KOBE! Yeah! And AND a written note from all the owners and players telling me that all the respect I lost during the past few months has been regained, 3 fold!!!” (too much?)

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Dell Demps literally has no power with his own team. lol.
    GG New Orlean Hornets. Looks like they won’t get anything and Chris Paul will simply walk away after 66 games.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    wooooow

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Chris Broussard said that the Clipps also offered EG along with Aminu, Kaman, EBled and Sota’s pick but that the Clipps front office is going to deny it because they don’t want an upset EG.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    David Stern is such a power hungry crazy person. It’s like letting Napoleon run the world, and Russia (assuming he hates Russia, and is a double agent, “acting” in their “best” interest)

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    First thing first, the NBA has to make sure they get the best deal they can get for Chris Paul while owning the Hornets, so the franchise is more attractive to potential buyers. Stern is obviously VERY committed to making the NBA work in New Orleans. I don’t blame the league for being patient at all. They have between now and the trade deadline to make it happen. Once they settle the Paul trade, then everything else will fall into place. I agree with Stern.

  • Ed

    take out Gordon and this happens, just like that. Insane.

  • http://www.slamonline.com spit hot fiyah

    read on real gm that the clippers said no when asked to include bledsoe when the deal allready included EG, Kaman, Aminu and the pick

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You honestly have to be a drunken optimist, or a little bit stupid to think they will get a better offer than the 2 they have already turned down. No team is giving up more for Paul then what they offer during the off-season. Like the Clippers or Lakers would throw away the season’s of their 2nd or 3rd best players during the season with these types of trade offers. Especially considering Stern is scaring almost every team in the league away from doing business with the hornets because of what happened with Lamar Odom.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Orange, of course you “agree” with stern. You want CP in NY.

  • neaorin

    Technically there’s nothing all that wrong with waiting just a little bit more, but no way they drag this until the deadline. They would lose a lot of whatever leverage they still have. Teams ideally want their core players to be in training camp when the season begins.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Hornets have no leverage. And are losing more of it by the veto.

  • robb

    this is just incredible. He’s screwing CP3 (and the Hornets) big time, I can’t even think of a strong enough insult for that @sshole Stern.

  • neaorin

    But yeah, in the big picture there’s not that much of a difference between doing a trade today vs Friday for example (unless the Clips send Kaman to the Mavs for a trade exception, hah). If there’s one thing Stern is good at, it’s making the other side sweat. Exhibit 3432: the recent lockout.

  • Rap

    @IAMORANGE

    You commend Stern for being “patient”? So are you implying that the LA package- you know, the one that included the likes of perennial all star Pau Gasol and mr consistency himself Lamar Odom- was a bad deal for the Hornets? Let’s face it, like DWill said recently, Stern is a bully and everybody knows it.

    I for one have lost all respect for him and feel betrayed be the league which I have spent so many years supporting. Shame on him.

  • neaorin

    nbk: the fact that teams are still approaching them for trades suggests that they do have some leverage left.

  • gubbins

    If there are only a handful of teams CP will consider, & those teams only have a particular group of players they’re willing to trade, exactly how many trades can Fuhrer Stern kill ?? In his attempts to safeguard NOLA he’s potentially shafting them.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No it suggest they have Chris Paul.

  • neaorin

    aka: leverage.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No. Chris Paul doesn’t have a contract that lasts past this year. The Hornets have ZERO leverage. They have an ASSET, but nothing to get even close to EQUAL VALUE on that ASSET. AKA, No Leverage.

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com yada

    dell deamps should resign. why on earth would he put up with this??

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    Stern created a giant mess by throwing in his veto on the lakers trade. He tried to clean it up and justify the veto by getting a way better deal from the clippers. Now that backfired and hes created a sh*tstorm.

  • RunNGun

    Geebus, get this deal done already. Can’t wait to see CP3, Harrison Barnes, & the Blake Show throw it down on the Lakers.

  • neaorin

    What is Paul’s value though? When the Lakers / Rockets trade went public, everyone insisted that’s about the best offer the Hornets would get. Fast forward to today. The value is what the market will bear. And while Chris would be a FA next season, a lot of the teams coveting him don’t have the cap space to sign him outright. Therefore, their only bet is to swing a trade with New Orleans. That’s leverage right there.

  • eZ

    Damn it, clips shouldn’t offer Gordon, and I wanna see Paul to Griffin oops. Stern is stupid, paul on the clips will increase tv ratings and nba popularity three-fold.

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    RunNGun, why would Harrison Barnes be there? they are giving the minny pick to the hornets..

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Why would you trade pieces for a guy who is going to walk at the end of the season. Chris Paul holds leverage in a trade, he can commit, or not commit to signing a new contract with his trade suitor. The Hornets however, have no leverage in if that happens. If they want to trade Paul to “any” team, they have to compromise and take back less than they would had he committed to resigning, so they don’t really have any leverage. If by leverage you mean an asset everyone else wants, then sure they have leverage. The type of leverage that you have when you want a steak, but your wife has already started cooking chicken.

  • neaorin

    Then why were the Lakers offering pieces for a guy that’s going to be a FA? Celtics? Clips? You trade pieces for a guy who is going to walk… if you can’t sign him because you don’t have the cap space. The only way to get him them is to go through his current team. It’s not that complicated really.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    He would have resigned with the Lakers. He would have extended with the Clippers. But David Stern vetoed those trades. Now New Orleans is left with no real options, because they have no leverage.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Chris_Broussard – Looks like league is saying it won’t let CP dictate that NO trade him where he wants to go. Looks like they may make him become FA and
    Settle for teams with cap room or take far less $ to pick his spot. Or stay in NO for biggest payday. This must be about principle not bball

  • http://www.twitter.com/SylvanusUagbor OpineVain

    They dont want the Lakers to be great. Sorry. NO would’ve cam out better with the crop of players from Houston and Odom. Then they could’ve drafted a nice young player from next years draft and been decent. Bledsoe and Aminu didnt start for the Clips. Chris Paul will leave at the end of the year

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    What the hell is wrong with Stern? The Clippers offer is loaded with young talent, and from what I’ve read, included Eric Gordon. How the hell can you get a better offer of “youth” than that? With each passing day, the Hornets’ leverage slips, which means teams will low ball them once the season starts, which means they’ll only get worse offers, or have to settle for a disgruntled CP3 walking out. Just effing moronic by Stern.

  • neaorin

    The Lakers trade made no sense for a rebuilding team – I posted about that enough here with Allenp that I don’t want to go at it again. And nothing is final with the Clippers yet, they even said so in the story above. You really think any NBA GMs take their ball and go home the first time their offer gets shut down? This is business. The Lakers got vetoed, tried it again, and afterward proceeded with plan B because it was clear they didn’t have the pieces New Orleans demanded.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And it’s clear the Clippers are not offering what the League Office wants them to give up. Basically every news story posted on slam is an hour or two old by the time is posts. The CP to Clippers deal has been declared dead. And they aren’t trying to “rebuild” the Hornets, they are trying to SELL them. SELL. In order for them too look attractive to a prospective buyer they either have to be extremely young with a ton of picks, or still competitive. The Lakers trade gave the latter, the Clippers the former, and neither was good enough. The Hornets are screwed, by their “owner” – it’s pretty simple.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    RealGM just posted an article that SORT OF revives the talks. They’re telling the Hornets to pick between Gordon or the 2012 pick. Stern wants both so…no deal again.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    I think Stern is magically hoping for one of the teams to give up some young stud like Blake or something. Nobody’s giving the Hornets sh**t, especially now that they know how steep the they’re asking for is. Seriously, the group they would have acquired from the Lakers/Hornets would have meant they had a solid team for a couple of years, and in that time, they could have made a splash in free agency, or more trades within a year or two. The Clippers offer is even better. Stern has lost it, seriously. Wow.

  • neaorin

    Look, three weeks ago we were staring at the whole season being canceled. Then in less than a day there was a deal announced. Nothing is declared dead forever because some negotiations have stalled. No matter the business. Yes the NBA is trying to make them more attractive to prospective buyers – but really the LA trade didn’t accomplish that one bit. Seriously I don’t want to start typing posts about that again. Suffice to say the Hornets are in a better place letting Paul go as a FA than doing that LA deal. The Clippers deal, depending on which “sources” you believe, can make it look like the Hornets are asking too much, which may be the case. It’s also a known negotiating tactic. Will it work? We really don’t know. But David Stern has shown himself time and again to be a patient man. Let’s see what develops before making him the Devil. Plenty of time left.

  • feez_22

    … Not only did the hornets LOSE OUT on a bunch of young talent (eric gordon or not), they LOST on the 1st round unprotected 2012 pick that may as well be booked for a top 5 lottery pick since its the damn timberwolves’ pick. Honestly… i thought the laker deal wasn’t good because scola/martin/odom are essentially past their prime old vets that will restrict the hornets. especially k-mart. the clippers offer is just the opposite. A bunch of (lack of a better term) liquid assets (yes i know… people shouldn’t be seen as assets but take it from a b-ball perspective) that can be flipped for 1st round picks to further build the team. If the hornets want to end up with nothing than fine.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    David Stern is a LAWYER. Not a GENERAL MANAGER. And honestly, I thought it was ridiculous for anyone to think the season would really be cancelled. Nobody, NOBODY, is letting $4Billion in Revenue just go away, no matter how far apart they seemed to be. This, getting a fair price for Chris Paul is not the same as negotiating a new CBA, or getting anything done in the legal system. This is the NBA, where a teams relationship and reputation around the league play a role in what kind of trades they are offered. Having faith in Stern as the Commissioner, and as a General Manager, are two completely different things.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And the Lakers deal gave them assets for paul, instead of losing him for nothing. Plus they would have remained in the playoff hunt, and thus attractive to a perspective buyer, and their own fans. To say, letting Chris Paul go for nothing, rather than taking the Laker deal helps the Hornets more, is like waving a big giant “i’m clueless” flag over your head. Which you have just done.

  • RunNGun

    @MEGATRON… too many rumors. One w/MINNY draft pick and one without but would include Eric Gordon. Whatever the case, I’m assuming the Hornets get GORDON and a non-MINNY PICK (2013-’cuz they traded it to CLE ala Baron Davis in 2011–NBA rules dictate a team cannot trade their first round picks in back-to-back years). If the WOLVES suck again this year, then that pick could be become a Perry Jones or Harrison Barnes on either the CLIPPERS or HORNETS. This deal has got to come through. Hmm, which sounds better… CP3, BARNES/JONES, JORDAN, & THE BLAKE SHOW or BLEDSOE, GORDON, AMINU (or BARNES), JONES (or insert player here), & KAMAN?

  • neaorin

    Just asking – did you think it was ridiculous for him to veto that Lakers trade? Because we wouldn’t even be talking about the Clippers deal right now if he didn’t.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/12/lamar-odom-in-disbelief-pau-gasol-devastated-by-near-trade/ neaorin

    And really, that trade was worse than him leaving as a FA. There were getting a bunch of liabilities, which are worth less than nothing in their situation, and given the way the NBA works. Click my name to see the discussion I had with allenp if you really have the patience for that. I don’t feel like going through that again.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Yes I do. Considering he told Dell Demps he had full approval to make the best basketball decisions for the Hornets. And then said he vetoed the trade for “basketball reasons”. If he vetoed the trade because they didn’t get enough assets, or young players than no, I would not have had any issue. But given the way it went down, and the fact that he contradicted himself, I have a huge issue with him stepping in. It is totally shady. It really just looks like Stern is trying to use Chris Paul as an example, regardless of what it does to the Hornets franchise, Stern wants the players to know they don’t have leverage to make decisions, the Owners do. Whether it’s true, fair, right, or not.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    “Suffice to say the Hornets are in a better place letting Paul go as a FA than doing that LA deal. ” No, they’re in a worse place. If Paul walks as a free agent, they essentially start from scratch through the draft and free agency (good luck getting people to sign in NOLA after all this). If they are planning to hold on to CP3 and start through the draft, they could easily do that with Minnesota’s 2012 pick, which is likely going to be Top 10. The longer the Hornets do this, and the power Stern flexes his power (that’s all there is), the less likely that New Orleans is going to get anything for him. Essentially, its been said that Stern is doing this to show the players that he won’t let them dictate where they end up and reduce their power over management. But in the midst of his display of ego, the Hornets as a franchise will be floundering and will be in the worst position possible. The man has lost it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kevin Martin is not a liability, Luis Scola is not a liability, Lamar Odom also not a liability. That team will arguably be better then the team the Hornets fielded with Chris Paul this season, plus, none of those contracts are hampering to the Hornets future and are all tradeable in the future. That trade improved New Orleans more than losing Paul for nothing, that is 100% completely obvious. Explain with logic, how losing the best PG in the league for nothing, improves your team more than trading him for 3 fringe All Star quality assets and a draft pick or two?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/12/lamar-odom-in-disbelief-pau-gasol-devastated-by-near-trade/ neaorin

    Click the link, I don’t want to go through that again. Luis Scola is not a liability. A 31 year old Luis Scola making 40 million until he’s 36, on a rebuilding team, is a liability. Seriously I think we should just drop it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Orange only likes this deal failing because he hopes in the back of his mind that New York can get Paul even though it’s impossible.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    So your just assuming the Hornets will get good draft picks from letting Chris Paul go? Because that happens ALL the time. See the Clippers, Timberwolves, Cavs (minus LeBron), Pistons, Raptors, & Warriors success at turning their teams around quickly over the last 25 years. The Hornets don’t have an owner, and being a lottery team with the worst roster in the league, in the worst city in the league is not really a good way to look attractive to a potential buyer (but we MIGHT get a good player if we get LUCKY enough to get a good draft pick!). I do agree that Luis Scola is getting paid too much per year, but he isn’t a liability. He will be productive till he’s atleast 34 (barring a major injury, which you can say about everyone) because of the way he plays, and with 2 years of expiring money after 34 he becomes a valuable trade chip again. He isn’t a liability. Plus, the Hornets could’ve always parlay(ed) Scola, Odom, or Martin away for nothing to a team with needs. Every team must use 80% of their cap space this year, 85% next year, 90% every year after that. So, taking back salary after you lose Paul is imperative regardless. Might as well get some pieces that can produce.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Neoarin is right in a sense.
    At the end of this season, Chris Paul will see an NBA landscape where very few teams have cap space, and those that do will likely be losers just like New Orleans.
    The exception, of course, being Dallas, which is rapidly clearly cap space to make a run at Paul, all while Cuban cheers as Stern vetoes trades.
    Anyway, at the end of this year, Paul’s options are going to be pretty bad.
    L.A., New York, Miami and Boston will still not have cap space. He will have to decide between taking a LOT less money, to play with a contender, taking less money to sign with a loser, or resigning with New Orleans. Don’t think Stern doesn’t know that.

  • neaorin

    Sigh. Let’s just agree to disagree and drop it. There’s no way we’ll come to an understanding.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I said what Chris Broussard said yesterday. Did y’all not notice it when I outlined what Stern is doing, and why Paul should REALLY be pissed.
    If it was a regular owner, it would be fine for him to do what Stern did. That’s his choice.
    What is happening is that Paul is going to be a free agent under the new League rules, which greatly effect the money you can receive if you change teams AND there are not going to be many contenders with cap space.
    So his options will be limited. Take less money just to leave New Orleans in spite. Take WAY less money to play with a contender (we’re talking the vet minimum for three years before he can sign a real deal) or take the maximum payday and stay in New Orleans.
    It feels shady because it’s the commish doing it, and because that letter from Gilbert leaked.

  • jarrett

    So let me get this straight, Stern will force Paul to just leave to a team he doesnt want to with cap space in free agency – but what happens when teams he does want to play for start dumping salary on purpose next year, like the whole Lebron saga? – I would think this would be even more possible scenario considering the new amnesty rule. Either way, CP3 is going to play where he wants to play – and whether its the Knicks, Lakers, Clippers, I’m sure they’d rather just dump a large salary on their roster through amnesty or trade to pick up Paul in free agency. Doesn’t Stern get that? or does he know something we don’t know?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Sign & Trades will still be legal next summer. He could sign and trade for nothing if New Orleans has a new owner by then. Just an example. Paul can play this season out with the Hornets and do exactly what LeBron James, & Chris Bosh did to Cleveland and Toronto. Teams might not have cap space right now, but to assume there are GM’s on contending teams that don’t have the brains to create it, is a little crazy, given all the sh*t we have seen over the last 2 summers. What’s going to happen is Stern is going to end up punishing Paul and Paul is going to end up getting exactly what he wanted out of it, and New Orleans will be left in the lurch. It is NEVER better to let a top 5 player go for nothing. Especially in a place that is not attractive to any free agent. Betting that you’ll get lucky in the lottery is a much bigger risk then taking back assets. Because, you get assets out of one deal, and only get to hope for assets out of the other. And who knows how valuable those assets will actually turn out.

  • jarrett

    Allen P and Neaorin : What happens when big market teams start dumping salary to court Paul during free agency anyway ? -Wasn’t this the case with Lebron last free agency ?? Doesnt stern realize this is a big possibility ?? And knowning that, the Hornets will be in a similar situation to Cleveland when Lebron left?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    How would they dump salary?
    That can only happen in other teams agree to trades with them, which meas that small market owners would have to be complete idiots. That is not impossible, but it’s unlikely. Why would they help the teams they despise?
    Stern is trying to put Paul in a box and teach him a lesson. That’s what he does.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com/ O

    I want him on the Knicks as much as anybody, but goddamn, let that man go wherever he wants!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    New Orleans would have to agree to a sign and trade. AGain, why do that when you can tell him “Either sign with us for the money, or take a hike.”
    Cleveland could have done the same thing.
    Toronto too.
    But, they operated under the assumption that getting something was better than getting nothing. That is true, unless you’re trying to make a point.
    Just like we said about players in the lockout. They wanted to make a point and they had to lose some money to make it. Now Stern is trying to make another point. It will be interesting to see if he caves because of the bad press he’s getting though.
    If he doesn’t cave, he will either get a great trade, or Paul will have to make a hard decision this summer.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jarrett
    Chris Paul maxes the max for a player with his years in the League. You can only amnesty one player. So, a team would have to amnesty a pretty serious piece to get Paul.
    Plus, just because they amnesty a player doesn’t mean they will be below the cap enough to offer Paul fair value. Most of the contenders are well over the cap, not just a little bit over the cap. You can’t sign Paul to a deal for $13-$14 million if you’re only $2 million below the cap.

  • neaorin

    nbk: a small market team like NOLA can NOT build their core through trades. It’s a pipe dream. Their core can only come through the draft, and they can then add to that via free agency or trades. For that, they need high draft picks, as many as possible. For that, they need to bottom out – and doubly so this season, because there’s a bumper crop of rookies awaiting 2012. Scola, Martin and the rest puts them dangerously close to a meaningless playoff spot (yes, it really is. More than half the league makes the playoffs). And makes them pay a ton of money for that to boot, when they’re already hemorrhaging dough.

  • Sizzle

    If I was CP3, I would just stay the season and then sign with other stars just to stick it back at Stern. This is out of hand now..

  • jarrett

    Allen P: Lakers and Clippers still have their amnesty. Similar to the Lamar Odom deal – or even Michael Beasley deal to clear space, you trade serviceable players away for mere scraps – Small Market teams will take serviceable players because they are often an upgrade. Then everything starts to fall into place as veterans flock your way to sign for minimums to get a ring. Worked for Miami and should work for both LA teams should they go that route. If u can recall before trading away Beasley Miami had like 4 players. Why do you think Lebron met with like 6 teams during his free agency? Because teams will be willing to shed players to add more cap space.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Like I already said, teams must fulfill a certain % of the salary cap. 85% next summer, so teams way under the cap, will have to take back Salaries to fill the void. A savvy owner/GM can parlay decent role players with “bigger” salaries to teams that need to fill their cap number. Trade exceptions, 2nd round picks, it’s happened in the past before those rules were even in place, no reason it won’t happen again. (Marcus Camby to the Clippers for example). It’s better to have an overpaid Luis Scola (and maybe take back a 2nd round pick) than to offer Kwame Brown $8M a season just to fill up you cap number right? — And I also said, if New Orleans has a new owner by then, Paul could sign & trade with someone. Unless your assuming the new owner is David Stern there is no reason to think Chris Paul will be subjected to the same treatment.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Building their core? They have to sell the team. Who the f*ck wants to purchase the worst team in the league with no player assets in New Orleans Louisiana for more than $350M (Larry Ellison offered $350,000,000 for the Hornets last year and was turned down) Playoff revenue, or the prospect of it, is the big cash cow in buying a team. The Hornets being stuck in the lottery for the next 3 years minimum (if they let CP walk for nothing) is not going to create a profitable situation in New Orleans for anyone to be excited about buying into. From a business perspective, losing CP, or risking losing him for nothing is a terrible decision.

  • robb

    @neaorin the Lakers did have the pieces New Orleans demanded because they had an agreement. We all know what happened next.

  • neaorin

    Like someone said in another thread, if you don’t have a promising team with a real core, they sure as hell won’t buy a non-promising team with no real core AND with a higher payroll. The prospect of two playoff games is not what drives revenue. And that’s what they’re looking at, at most, assuming they would have made it, because Houston didn’t with those players. In fact they finished in the worst possible spot. The only other alternative is to give them as much of a clean slate as is possible, meaning no dumb contracts, and young prospects and/or high picks. Seriously I can’t prove to you that I’m right, until probably two years down the line. So let’s just drop it right here.

  • neaorin

    and Ellison wanted to move the team. For better or worse, the NBA is committed to try and make it work in NOLA.

  • Raseven7

    What the eff is this the NCAA ?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    There is less promise in a team with no superstar, no core, and no assets at all, then a team with some assets even if they aren’t young or superstars. We are talking about a city that could barely get enough people to attend when they have Chris Paul. What kind of idiot owner is going to buy the team that loses it’s only incentive to fans for literally nothing?

  • http://slamonline.com Big D

    The NBA is just trying to “block” Paul into staying with the Hornets. News-Flash: Paul walks away from the Hornets at the end of the year and Hornets get nothing.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    First thing I want to mention is neaorin is speaking the TRUTH! As for Allenp suggesting I believe Chris Paul might still make his way to the Knicks, that is about as far from the truth one could get. NEXT!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    They should contract the Hornets. They struggle to draw a sellout with the League’s best PG and I could care less about basketball in the NO. The NBA would be better as a whole if there were 24-26 teams like in the 80s.

  • Sleepyfloyd

    I am glad this didn’t happen, they are asking too much. Clippers need to keep Eric Gordon and DeAndre Jordan. I can understand trading Bledsoe even though I like him too, he wouldn’t get to play much anyway. Chris Kaman, Aninu,the lottery pick, and another player not named Blake Griffin is more than enough.

    DeAndre, Blake, Carron, Eric, and Chris throwing lobs to everybody, it would have been sweet.

  • neaorin

    You missed the point again. They cannot really sell that team unless they have a real core or the perspective of one. You may be able to sell other teams without those requirements, but not the Hornets. They have been on the market for a while now. ‘Some assets’ ain’t gonna cut it, and especially not those overpaid and old assets in the LA deal – even yourself are only talking about prospectively moving them for something else, not keeping them. I am arguing that they can only build that core through the draft – and then sell the team with the perspective of competing and making some money. That’s all I am arguing. Peddling old players into any real part of a real long term core is a pipe dream for that franchise. The Hornets need to bite it and suck hard for a season or two if they want to become interesting for someone to keep them in Nola. peace

  • bike

    Something tells me that if Stern can get Eric Gorden, this deal will go thru. That’s an awful lot for the Clippers to give up for one point guard but Stern knows the game better than anyone.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Stern doesn’t know sh*t. What has he done the past few months that makes you think he knows anything about running a team? The man turned down two great trades that would have made the Hornets just as good without CP as they were with him. David Stern makes David Khan look like Jerry West.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    JTaylor…STOP. You are way to bias when it comes to commenting about David Stern. Show some respect for that man. He has done more for the league than your “King” will do in his LIFE.

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    bike, stern doesn’t know the game better than anyone

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    *too bias

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    he’s good at what he does but that doesn’t mean he knows how to play GM

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    lol some crappy team claimed chauncy off waivers.. he must be so rattled..

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    it was the Clippers!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Orange, cool. CP’s not coming to NY no matter how much slurping of Stern you do.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol the NBA didn’t purchase the Hornets for the long haul. They purchased them to avoid them defaulting, and the team would have been moved had they not reached the attendance requirement. The team must be sold soon, waiting for a core you might get at somepoint in the next few YEARS is not much of an option. The Hornets will have a buyer next season at the latest

  • http://cj.morrow@yahoo.com Phil’s 12th

    Stern is holding out for Dwight Howard

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Jarrett
    Take a look at the Laker’s payroll. They are are so far over the cap it ain’t funny.
    That’s why they are paying luxury tax. You don’t pay luxury tax until you are about $12 million over the salary cap.
    LeBron was a different situation because teams were actively preparing for he and Wade and Bosh and Amare to be free agents. Very few teams are doing that right now.
    But maybe I’m wrong, I don’t know.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The NBA purchased the Hornets so the team couldn’t move and so they could maintain a certain “value” for their teams instead of selling it on the cheap. That’s it.

  • http://www.nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    IAMORANGE – JTaylor’s opinions on Stern represent the general consensus these days.
    Yes, he’s done a lot for the NBA in his tenure but that doesn’t mean he’s not f*cking up right now.
    The man is absolutely power hungry, he’s turned down three trades in four days and has handcuffed Demps and Paul and p*ssed of A LOT of people. A LOT.
    Now you telling JTaylor to have some respect for the man is just downright laughable.
    Stern isn’t signing JTaylor’s checks, and JTaylor, to my knowledge, isn’t employed by the NBA so he has a right to feel and say however he wants to about Stern.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com OTB

    Actually, good point AllenP (in regards to why Stern is doing this). Although, knowing CP3s nature, I doubt he resigns with NOLA no matter how much they offer him. I mean, money is important, but its not more important than having dignity and respect from others, which Stern is clearly trying to take away from him in this situation by essentially saying, “I’m the boss and you better know it”. I’m pretty sure at least one or two teams will shed salary to make room for CP3; its the season that a lot of the teams signed players to only 1 year contracts (Dallas, Phoenix, etc). There’s just no way a 27 year old CP3 doesn’t attract enough attention from at least one team on the verge of, or near, success.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR6ULRp3Uqk Overtime

    Everyone just get the email about League Pass? Better be damn cheaper than normal!

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    Overtime, I got it.. it says its only 10 percent off for me… thats gonna really fking piss me off if thats all the discount we get…

  • http://www.nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Wow. Ten percent? It should at least be 25% off, even better would be half off, and if they REALLY wanna prove they care about their fans should be free for the season.

  • shutup

    i dont think stern did a bad thing by vetoing this trade it wasnt in the hornets best interest.
    check this article out and tell me what you think of sterns decision to veto the trade. i didnt want to come here and post it trying to claim it as my own, but alot of the points i agree with
    http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2011/12/9/2625195/fallacies-regarding-the-cp3-situation

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    The season is 20% shorter. Lmao, 10% off league pass is an insult.

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    considering we miss 20 percent of the season, 10% off is a joke..

  • shutup

    oh and the clippers picked up billups off the waivers reported by Wojnarowski

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    David Stern makes Joe Dumars look like Gregg Popovich.

  • shutup

    guys the reality of the situation with the league pass is this you dont want it dont buy it. even if they offered it a full price i doubt the number of packages that they will sell are gonna be lower than last years. absence makes the heart grow fonder gentlemen. or as allenp would say supply and demand dictates that even at a 10% discount 90% of nba fans are still going to purchase this package. despite the players settling for an unfair portion of the BRI

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    David Stern thinks he can take over Dell Demps’ job–we’ll see about that. So far Demps has negotiated two great trades which were deemed unacceptable by Sternbot. Few teams are going to want to waste their time dealing with his blatant fixing, but the funniest part is that he’s killing the Hornets and making them worse…

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    lol, nbk I said almost the exact same thing as you at the exact same time..

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    And piece of f*ck… 10% discount?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Haha I just saw that too.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    Paul will be a Clipper I believe.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    If 90% of NBA fans bought league-pass than the NBA would be the richest league in American sports. Maybe 10-15% of NBA fans buy league-pass.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    @JTaylor I do not think Chris Paul is coming to the Knicks. Stop with that ish. That door is closed man.

  • shutup

    90% of the people that were planning to buy it, this from the guy who criticizes my reading comprehension.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    ^ but you wish he would right?

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    * that’s for orange.

  • jsmallz

    It dumb stern should not really have this kind of power over the team i know the nba owns the hornets for now. the horneys could of gotten so much. Act like one player is GOD….he is no where near the greatest player to play. What does stern want a deal to make the hornets into champs this year?

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    * that’s for orange

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I see what you were saying, “90% of nba fans are still going to purchase this package.” is still a weird way to say what you meant. And notice how ICANN see my mistake? Rather than calling you racist or making an assumption? You should try that out.

  • http://knicks.com Gametimeweezy

    Melo trade messed everything up now teams think they gonna get half a roster for one player, not happening.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I’m leaning towards passing on LP this year. Can someone convince me otherwise?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    No, how many games can you watch at a time? Cuz more teams gonna be playin every night, more games running simultaneously, less time to watch each team (and more games). 10% off is a complete insult

  • http://www.nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    JTaylor you were the one who convinced me to get it last year.
    I’ll just look up that comment and post it in here. Maybe youll convince yourself. Lol

  • shutup

    i havent called anyone a racist in like 3 weeks, whats the use? and i dont make assumptions i form an opinion,its a lil different. Im all for debating things, i know i go overboard sometimes but its sorta like cursing when you stub your toe it makes you feel a lil better. I just think some people think their opinion on certain things have been ordained from god. I understand that an opinion even if its based on facts is an opinion and is open to interpretation.

  • http://www.slamonline.com megatron

    Passing on LP isnt even an option i’ve really considered. I watch about 2-3 games per night so I guess it will still be worth it.

  • shutup

    league pass is great especially if you have a dvr that records while watching another channel. the only thing that would mess me up is sportscenter or when i would play live they would have the active news feed. and its not about watching every game, but having the choice to watch any game you want. i also love the fact that some of the weakest matchups make for great games, i would be watching the Spurs dismantle someone and see that atlanta and the pacers are really going at it, and be able to switch over.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    J, when one door closes, another one opens.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Congratulations, on “3 weeks” of maturity. You can believe the rest of what you said about yourself if that wasn’t a joke.

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    But that other door isn’t leading Chris Paul either Orange. Lol. Knicks are fine anyways.

  • shutup

    just when i thought we were getting somewhere, your inner @$$hole rears its lil brown eye

  • shutup

    i know what nbk stand s for natural born klansman, you racist @$$hole. dammit now i gotta start all over again.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Point proven.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    J, I know Chris Paul aint walking through any other doors for the Knicks man, however, I’m hoping B-Diddy walks through that door, and when he does, he’s ready to RUN and GUN for the NEW YORK KNICKS! lol

  • charliewinning

    Lmao @ natural born klansman. Sorry but that sh#t is funny.

  • http://www.nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Enigmatic Posted: Oct.15 at 1:09 pm
    Completely off-topic, but since as Eboy pointed out it’s Friday – thinking about getting NBA League Pass cause I only get the nationally televised games up here in Alaska. Any thought from people who’d had it??
    __________________________
    JTaylor21 Posted: Oct.15 at 1:16 pm
    Enigmatic, trust when I say it’s like heaven on earth. I mean you get to see almost every single game from every team (except for national televised games and regional blackout but I doubt you would have any prob with that in Alaska). Also if you missed to game due to unseen circumstances, they show the game all night long until about 12:00 AM the next day. It is well worth the price and I’m thinking about getting the Broadband one for my computer because I mostly work and go to school at night. The one BIG problem would be deciding on which game to focus on because there will be so many showing at the same time.

     
     
     

  • jarrett

    Allen P: it could take some teams 2 years to dump enough salary (Knicks) or it could take some teams a day. For the Bulls who jumped into the Lebron sweepstakes their power move was on draft night. Thus I think you underestimate what teams will do to completely dump salary to get a superstar player. From looking at it, it looks as if the Knicks are out of the Cp3 sweepstakes which is fair. But say if they have the balls to trade Amare for a top 10 pick (i know unlikely) in next years draft then BAM! you’re the new favorite (again) to sign Chris Paul as a free agent. As for Miami, who couldve predicted they’d be able to sign Lebron and Bosh? You never know is what I’m trying to say. So for Stern to block trades and force CP3 to take less elsewhere it seriously underestimates what owners will pay him anyway. Stern move is trying to operate under a system in which the owners save themselves from themselves, but we both know that the new CBA is really not much different from the old one in that regard.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, how can I say no to myself? I’m convinced.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    @KBergCBS: Re: revival of CP3 talks with Clips, which began earlier today, source says, “The league has no choice. They have nowhere else to go.” (as almost everyone has been saying, the Hormets MUST trade Chris Paul. – and they apparently must gently torture him as well)

  • shutup

    point proven nothing clearly i was joking, sorry if i dont spell it out for you. as for people like you that believe your opinion is the only viable one I feel sorry that you limit your world view to your own two eyes.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Hah

  • shutup

    HAH HAH!!! touche

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    If the Clippers can sign Paul, then why the hell couldn’t/can’t the Lakers? Stern for all the good he’s done, has done equal parts injustice through out his tenure.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    League Pass is great. But a 10 percent discount is a joke. you get that discount just for re-upping every year on Direct TV. Or I used to when I had Direct TV.
    Nah, they should have at least dropped it to half off. $99 is a fair price given the labor strife and shortened season.
    But we know how they feel about being fair.

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