Tuesday, December 20th, 2011 at 10:50 am  |  50 responses

Ray Allen Blames David West’s ‘Ego’ for Signing with Pacers

David West and the Boston Celtics flirted rather seriously a few weeks back, but ultimately, West decided to hook up with the Indiana Pacers instead. It’s a decision that doesn’t sit well with Ray Allen. Per ESPN: “West is coming off a serious knee injury, but according to Pacers president Larry Bird, the Pacers’ medical staff examined West and determined he had ‘one of the most sound post-surgical knees they’ve seen. He still has a long way to go in terms of rehab and conditioning,’ Bird said, ‘but even so, he looks great.’ The addition of West provides Bird and the Pacers with a promising nucleus that includes Danny Granger (although his name swirled in preseason trade talks), point guard Darren Collison (who played with West in New Orleans), Tyler Hansbrough and George Hill. West’s decision to choose that group over Boston’s three future Hall of Famers was a hugely disappointing and vexing development for the Celtics, who felt West’s skills would have nudged them back into championship contender territory … Count veteran Ray Allen among those who can’t believe West chose Indiana over Boston with such a slim difference in compensation. ‘I’m shocked,’ Allen said. ‘I don’t understand it.’ … Allen first heard of West’s potential interest in Boston last month when Allen was playing golf in Augusta with his private banker, who coincidentally also handled West’s financial affairs. ‘He told me how much I would love [West], that he and I were the same kind of guy — cognitive thinkers,’ Allen said. ‘He said West was interested in coming to the Celtics and would be willing to come for less.’ So why does Allen think West had a change of heart? ‘Once it got down to the end, I think his ego kicked back in,’ Allen said. ‘He wanted the dollars. I guess it comes down to ‘What is a championship worth to you?’ Think of all the guys who have made $20 million and could be considered one of the best ever, but they get chided because they never won. We [the Big Three] all had to do less when we won. We’re still taking less to make it work. But it’s worth it. No one can ever say to KG, Paul or me, ‘You guys never got your ring.’”

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  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance21

    Wow you never really hear Ray come at people like that, except for Kobe that time. lol. Must have really pissed him off.

  • Darren

    But Boston aren’t in contention for a championship this season, so what’s the difference?

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hamilri01.html Allenp

    He just salty.

  • Stroshow

    Bitter old man.

  • Incubo

    Darren, why would you say such a silly thing?

  • http://staticseth.blogspot.com/ Seth

    I see what Ray is saying, and I would have liked to see David West in green, but the big three are pulling in over $46 million this year. It’s not like they’re taking the minimum to win a championship.

  • T-Money

    yeah lol that’s bitterness talking. david west made a grown man decision, that’s it.

  • matt

    maybe because indiana actually have a future. I’d rather have Collison,George,TH,Hibbert,Granger,Hill,LOADS OF CAP SPACE than an aging KG,Allen,PP, A great PG that can’t shoot and scraps.

  • matt

    maybe because indiana actually have a future. I’d rather have Collison,George,TH,Hibbert,Granger,Hill,LOADS OF CAP SPACE than an aging KG,Allen,PP, A great PG that can’t shoot and scraps.

  • matt

    Also,when PP,KG and Ray Allen have made considerably more than West has. The 20 million is a bargain for indy still.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    David West wasn’t going to chance anything for Boston. It’s not like he can guard a center. And they don’t need anymore 18 foot set shots.


    Bitter in Beantown

  • http://www.slamonline.com Tarzan Cooper

    Indy has a nice squad. Batman and dwest will give defenses problems.

  • AD

    you can say ego came into it but if im dwest i aint coming off the bench

  • robb

    im gonna reserve this thread for the future.

  • smoove

    thats a misleading title, and some of yall bit the bait, Ray pretty much is just saying…..i see no harm in the statement.

  • http://nbasobrietystrike.blogspot.com/ CoolWhip

    Actually smoove, don’t think it’s misleading at all. Ray puts him on blast and questions his ‘championship aspirations’. They aren’t coming anywhere close a chip anyways – you think D-West puts them over MIA and CHI? Not to mention OKC, DAL and other contenders in the west.
    I think David West did the opposite of what Allen is implying. He joined the team that everyone is talking about being the young team to watch and now he can grow with them. If Granger stays healthy, and Collison and Hibbert continue to develop this team can be scary in years to come.

  • CubicleWorker

    In Canada we don’t really see West much, but if he would have been a peice that could have put Boston over the hump, why not sign with them for 3-4 years, potentially have a significant, irreplacable life experience (winning the championship) then take a bigger cut afterwards. Let’s face it.. Indiana is going nowhere but the golf course come May.

  • ab40

    Indiana is destined to be stuck in the bottom 4 of the eastern conference. They’ve got a soft center, danny granger, a shooting guard with “potential” meaning he isn’t that good yet and is going to make a lot of mistakes and of course the point guard position, they don’t have a solid starter. I’d much rather seen west in boston and he’s gonna kick himself in the but for not going to boston.

  • shutup

    some people rather be a big fish in a small pond. Im kinda curuious how much were actually talking about $ wise. In the long run he might regret it, but with their starting lineup I dont see where he woulda fit, taking less money is one thing, but I bet coming off the bench woulda really hurt his pride, and that is what Ray is getting at. I don’t see this as “salty” just an old timer whos been around the block trying to drop some knowledge. With west comin off the bench that depth woulda made them as much of a contender as say the bulls/ and or knicks.

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hamilri01.html Allenp

    Collison can hoop.
    Granger can hoop.
    Hibbert can hoop.
    Paul George can hoop.
    And West can hoop.
    They’ve got decent bench players too.
    I mean, they aren’t contenders, but they offered more money, they still have an upside, and Boston is in obvious decline.
    Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett have ALL been maxed out in their careers. Garnett has been maxed out twice at $120 million if I’m not mistaken. It’s a little easier to take a pay cut when you’re dealing with that salary history. And Ray still got more money from Boston than he would have gotten from most other teams. Pierce too..

  • Heals

    In a matter of 3 days they went from having Green and West to go with others to form a damn good bench, now that (and in essence their season) are capped out. I think bitter is a bit strong, but to each their own and props to RayRay for telling the PaulPierce about how he feels on it. Yo matt, isn’t Indy of like it’s 4th or 5th future now, c’mon I’ve been hearing that for years. Don’t get me wrong I like how your squads coming together, but Bos will have more cap space then Indy next year so that’s irrelevant. smoove they can’t help themselves it’s about a Celtic…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    He ain’t changing a thing for anyone. Indiana is still a first round exit. Boston (when healthy) still a second rounder and outer. 2 years od David West isn’t going to change that, not matter how much he costs.

  • http://dodgers.com Joey E.

    i;d go for the money. titles are overrated

  • The Spaniard

    People seem to love talking about turning down hundreds of thousands (or even millions) of dollars when it’s not their money or family at stake. West made a grown man decision, period

  • shutup

    all im saying is mchale came off the bench for boston, and plenty of starter caliber players have done the same for their teams success (ginobili) I don’t know how much money he turned down, if the difference is substantial then leave it at that, but personally i think not being a starter was the deal breaker. Whether you believe the Celtics have no shot thats debatable but with West on their team it definitely woulda improved their chances. West is good against other starting forwards but imagine how he coulda killed every other teams bench. and everyone in the league can hoop thats just redundant,
    i mean expressed over and over again,
    its easy to write the Celtics off but they are one of the few teams with a nucleus of players that have won a chip together, they get the right matchups in the playoffs and it could be trouble.
    i mean repetetive.

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hamilri01.html Allenp

    I think West doesn’t change things this year, but if Hibbert and George continue with their improvement, Granger holds steady and Collison regains his form, it will be a very good deal next year when he could be helping the Pacers or serve as very good trade bait.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol I almost stopped reading halfway through your comment and said, well next year if those guys improve he will be a great trade chip. So, Yeah I agree with that 100%, but didn’t they sign him to improve their actual team as a player? What does he give that Hansbrough doesn’t other than scoring? And do they really NEED his scoring, with the way he goes about getting it? (serious question, in your opinion, do you think they need what he gives?)

  • http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/index unf*ckwitable

    Boston not realising that they are old and crippled.

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hamilri01.html Allenp

    Hanbrough does not score like West.
    I know you don’t like West, but I appreciate what he does well. Very few cats shoot the midrange better than him. West can be a problem for other teams, even when the opposing defender is good, Hanbrough was nowhere near that level last year.
    With West, you send Tyler back to the bench and use him as an energy guy to take advantage of most of the second tier big men in the League. West encourages Hibbert to stay on the block, you can stop running all this pick and rolls with your center, and you can force teams to stop loading up on Granger so he can get some better looks.
    You immediately improve Collison’s game because now he has somebody he knows how to play with from New Orleans. George will take care of himself. This means that you have to bonafide scorers in your starting lineup that every other team has to respect.
    And you still have three very young players who have nice potential. I don’t think you need a superstar to be a contender. If you have five players who can hoop at a fairly high level, you can contend. The Pacers could have that in about two to three years.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Apparently my long ass comment isn’t going to post. I know that West brings scoring, and veteran leadership, but that’s it. And what he also brings is a bum knee and the inability to rebound. Which wasn’t a problem next to Emeka Okafor & Tyson Chandler. But next to Roy Hibbert? That’s going to be a big issue, unless Danny Granger starts rebounding….which I doubt. (The Pacers outrebounded their opponent by .2 rebounds per game last season).

  • smoove

    @ Coolwhip i see what your saying about the youth, but experience and defense MOST of the times wins championships, take MIA for example everyone expected them to beat dallas, but the fact that dallas has more years of experience as a UNIT they won. Im not saying celts would win title this year if he joined, but in the Short-run he has a better chance in Boston. but to each its own.

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hamilri01.html Allenp

    I just checked Hibbert’s rebounding numbers. I didn’t realize he was at 7.5. That’s only two fewer boards than West, but it could be a problem.
    The bum leg isn’t such a huge issue because West’s game was never built on his speed or hops. It’s basically about using his jumper to create other options. I’m not saying it’s a guaranteed slam dunk, but I like how it improves their team, he’s not overpaid, and his deal is only two years.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com m cho

    You know, I’m just looking forward to seeing a pissed off Ray Ray this season. Hell, I hope the whole team plays like that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    That makes sense Allen. — I just personally don’t like adding a guy like West to a young team like Indiana. But then again, they didn’t really have many other choices this summer and as you said, they got him for a decent price, and a bargain in terms of contract length for a fringe all-star.

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hamilri01.html Allenp

    Sorry, two fewer boards than Okafor. About the same as West.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I knew what you meant.

  • Seven Duece

    I’m just curious as to just how much West can improve Indy.

  • http://www.twitter.com/SylvanusUagbor Sovain

    Valid point by Shuttlesworth. However, Allen is from the older generation of NBA players who gave a damn about the game rather than the money. C’mon. Lets not act like Bron, and Bosh took less $ to join Miami for championship purposes, more Marketing purposes.

  • BostonBaller

    AllenP is on point for the most part (not a shocker) BUT Indy will do what Indy does..short change themselves and trade away a really good player right before they “almost” become contenders. Yes it’s easy to write us off as most have done the past few years..sooner or later everyone will be right but no one will admit that they have been “predicting” a fall for 3 years before it actually happens. West is a real nice player but will he be like he was w/ CP3 dishing to him? This might be the year that we fall off and look old but I highly doubt it. Losing Green really hurt but picking up other pieces really helped. Toss the orange up and let’s go!!

  • jaxpomaxpo

    Pacers are not going to be very good. Thats just accepted.

  • Shifty

    Comment heals. Ray Allen is a pretty respected player around the field who only really says something when he is passionate about it. There is no way that the Indiana pacers compare to the clerics. Also celtics are still not that bad…..I don’t care what u say but when u have four all stars in your team who were picked by the coaches! How can they not e in title contention…….it’s funny how the celtics have been getting labeled old for three years and now the lakers are….David west would have a better chance winning in bean town then corn town.

  • http://members.cox.net/pilight pilight

    Who cares about Ray Allen, David West, or any of the faqqots in the NBA. If you guys want to see real basketball, with real passion and real love for the game, watch the WNBA.

  • http://slamonline.com neitel

    Boston doesn’t have a chance against the Heat or Bulls…trust me.

  • shutup

    I think the wnba is filled with more homosexuals than any other sport know to man. I have plenty of respect for the women’s game, but lets not compare the two. I’m sick of people saying the wnba is more fundamental and they play better defense, it’s simply not true. A wnba game has just as many if not more awkward layup attempts and ill advised jumpshots than any NBA game. That being said Maya Moore and Candice Parker are sexy as hell, and they both could ball for real.

  • Youngindy21

    David West probably realized that Boston is done. The Indiana Pacers provide a young team with a lot of talent. Not only does he get to play alongside a 7’2 center but he also gets to play alongside Granger who is a top 5 SF according to ESPN. Not only that he has the ACC’s all-time leading scorer Hansbrough backing him up. I would have picked Indy too especially after seeing how well they played the Chicago Bulls in the playoffs last year. Indy payed more money and offered a better situation i.e. he didn’t have to backup KG. Ray Allen just needs to stop acting bitter.

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hamilri01.html Allenp

    I don’t know about the WNBA, but I watched that UConn vs Baylor women’s game and it was better than most men’s NCAA games that I’ve watched in the past five years.

  • Shiq

    hahaha@ Shutup as a woman who loves to play the game and watch you ain’t NEVA lied. I cannot stand the WNBA. I know women who are athletic and can beat guys in a game of one on one., but there is NO comparison of NBA vs WNBA…there just isn’t one… Sometimes when i watch the WNBA i think i’m watching my old middle school teams, then I remember we actually had plays and ran a defense…It’s kind of embarassing. Not all but MOSt of the WNBA is that way and I HATE that they are so freaking manly! Are we telling young girls that in order to be a baller you have to grow a mustache and act like a dude? uhh yea that’s what it looks like…anywho…Hope it made Ray mad enough to pick it up a notch MIA looks BEASTLY and CHI town is hungry…Big 3 better put up or shut up!

  • Judge

    Ray says that guys can never look back and say that they never got their ring… but we can say that they got only one ring and had to ban together to get that one.

  • mke d

    When it’s all said and done, thatr ing wont keep his bills paid… but that 20 mil will lol