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Thursday, February 23rd, 2012 at 9:30 am  |  192 responses

Derrick Rose Says He ‘Never’ Asked Bulls to Trade for Pau Gasol


Derrick Rose denied published reports that he had quietly urged the Chicago front-office to go after Pau Gasol. Per CSN: “I heard it after the game [on Monday] and that’s something that I wouldn’t say to anyone,’ said Rose. ‘It was all false and that’s something I’ll never do. I’m good with the teammates that I have. I’ve always been saying that. We’ve been winning games and we’re not in the position to look to trade anyone right now. I talked to [Boozer] a little bit, but I think he already knew that [the rumor] was false,’ continued Rose. ‘It’s something that I wouldn’t do to anyone. It was all false.’”

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  • timboslice

    This man is a competitor
    “ill tighten my belt before i ask for help” – jay z

  • http://www.slamonline.com spit hot fiyah

    i believe him

  • shutup

    I believe him, just doesnt fit with his character. Cant say I’m a Bulls fan but as a basketball fan I admire his work ethic and drive; even if I question his shot selection. Someone needs to step up on offense for this team, one man cant do it alone; boozer shows flashes, Deng shows flashes but they need a consistent second option.

  • Justin G.

    More respect to Rose every day. You listening to this Dwight?

  • Paul H

    But he would take him In a minute.

  • Bt

    ^^^ how does this relate to Dwight? One player is surrounded by ample talent one is not. One has a competent front office one does not. Completely different circumstances

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    cosign bt^^ and for the record it doesn’t make sense either. he doesn’t want lebron or wade but he’ll take an old tentative pau gasol? that’s ridiculous

  • Jetfuel

    @Justin – haha, so correct

  • bull22

    time now for boozer and noah to reward rose’s loyalty.

  • bull22

    in the playoffs of course, regular season they are fine.

  • shutup

    It relates to Dwight very simply Rose has every reason to complain about his team and their lack of consistency but he bears the burden, remember The Magic are only a couple seasons removed from their Finals appearance, how many puzzle pieces does the magic front office have to try? Gortat, Hedo, Lewis, Skip, Arenas, Vince, Richardson, Bass, Davis Hedo again, gimme a break good players get theirs great players make their teammates better. Great teammates go to war for each other, prime examples Durant, Rose and even Kobe in the past week. @dat he said he didnt make the statement and its ridiculous to think of Pau as old or tentative, any team you put him on he would make them better.

  • Bt

    @shutup lack of consistency? They kept on winning (and played better some games) while rose was injured, I’d like to see the magic play without Dwight for an extended period.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    No true fan dislikes Rose. You may dislike his teammates and the way the media hypes him as the “perfect” superstar because he’s so much more low key than Bron and others, but you have to love his work ethic and his pride.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Yeah, you can’t compare Rose’s situation to Dwight.
    Rose’s team was good enough to get to the playoffs his rookie year when he was great for a rookie, but average overall.
    They team was already a playoff squad BEFORE they got the number one pick in the draft.
    You can’t compare their situations or the front office decisions. Yes the Bulls has made some mistakes, but they’ve been bailed out by the draft. Orlando hasn’t drafted well since getting Dwight, and has overpaid for marginal role players. Basically, Dwight got the LeBron treatment. Durant and Rose did not.

  • shutup

    So who was the main contributor in the games when Rose was hurt? Who is the Bulls second option? If Rose is double teamed and forced to pass, who takes that last shot? The Bulls win their games on the defensive side of the ball, they have the best halfcourt D in the league imo. I think the Magic have won a few games this year while Dwight has put up some crappy numbers. Dwight is not the Magic’s first option on offense and really his presence would be missed more on the defensive side of the ball then on the offensive side.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    shutup you missed the point of my comment. there’s no reason to want pau gasol and not want lebron or wade. and pau isn’t as good as he used to be although he can still help teammates.

  • shutup

    I’m sorry but you reap what you sow, you can’t compare Dwights progression as a player to that of a Rose or Durant, Dwight is the best center in the league by default, and honestly imo he gets by on his athleticism more than anything, dont get me wrong dude looks like he’s a monster in the weight room, but Durant and Rose are both gym rats I dont see that hunger in Dwight, really all i see is polar opposites- we’ll take Rose and Durant as interchangeable at this point, the underlying difference is work ethic, Dwights success has come too easy, being tall and athletic Durant/Rose have natural gifts as well but dont rest on just that. Lets be real Dwight isnt a leader and they are, plain and simple.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dwight opens up Orlando’s offense. He leads the team in shot attempts. The offense doesn’t work without him. He is their first option.

  • shutup

    I got your point, but you missed mine, Rose wouldnt want Wade or Lebron for the same reason Jordan didnt recruit Magic or Barkley or Malone or Ewing. Pau stock is down and there is no reason for Rose not to want to invest in it while its low and return him to greatness, and your mistaken Pau is as good as ever, even though the Lakers are faltering, its a team in turmoil, but you get him in a solid situation and he can produce; and he would compliment Rose perfectly, he hits jumpers better than Boozer, posts up better than anyone on the Bulls is a better passing big and is more consistent than anyone on their frontline.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rose & Dwight are not in even remotely similar situations. – And nobody is in a similar situation to what Jordan, Barkley, Magic (who actually did dictate his teammates if you know anything his history), Malone, or Ewing were in. The NBA is completely different.

  • shutup

    I see your trying to bait me into an argument but I respectfully decline, I only wish to point out I didnt say anything about Magic or Ewing, Barkley or Malone recruiting people, What I said was MJ didnt recruit them, because he wanted to be the best and beat the rest, thats the fire that Rose has and Dwight lacks and too the same degree is the difference between Durant and Lebron.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dwight has improved his game immensely.
    He used to have no moves, he has moves now. He used be unable to post up stronger players, he posts up anybody now. He has a jump shot. He can shoot with his left hand. He understands counter moves.
    He is so much better as a passer its ridiculous. Jeff Van Gundy mentions this all the time, but I’ve noticed it as well. He used to be an offensive black hole just last year. He didn’t understand how to anticipate double teams and pass out of them. Now he knows how to make smart passes, how to repost, all of that stuff. And that’s despite giving you all those rebounds and blocked shots.
    Man, Dwight may never, ever be a fluid offensive player. But he’s so much improved over where he was that to make the argument that he hasn’t gotten better or doesn’t work hard is just asinine. Steve Kerr said years ago that Dwight may just lack the “scorer’s touch” that some players are born with or develop early. He may never get it. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t work hard.
    Durant and Rose are monsters. Absolute monsters. But, just because people like their attitudes or public personas they build them up in ways that are dangerous and dishonest. Every superstar in the League puts in crazy work on their games and their bodies.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The point is, the NBA is completely different now then it was 20 years ago. Jordan also didn’t need to recruit anyone, he had a championship level supporting cast. That’s like Durant trying to recruit guys to OKC despite already having a superstar teammate and great complimentary guys around him.

  • bull22

    bulls are a lottery team without derrick rose, and would be a mediocre team if del negro was still coaching them. but shutup is right in some of the inconsistent play because anyone who has actually been watching the bulls all season has seen both boozer and noah wilt when a team with frontcourts as big as them put pressure on them (winning teams) leading them to missing easy dunks,layoffs,open shots and turnovers.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol, no, the Bulls are still a playoff team, with or without Rose. They are a contender with him. That’s the difference.

  • shutup

    Immensely is an over exaggeration, but its your opinion, I lean more towards slightly, since 06-07 he’s been around a 18ppg scorer with his high being 22.9 last year he’s down almost 3 points to 20.1 this year. The jumpshot comment is laughable. His assist are slightly up but nothing to stand in awe of, hes avg 2 apg compared to a career 1.5 but he has two seasons 06-07 09-10 were he avg 1.9 and 1.8 respectively. Maybe the scorers touch that he doesnt posses can be attributed to the fact that his natural gifts (height/athleticism) hindered it, unlike Durant/Rose, and I have never heard one story of Dwight being the first one in practice and last to leave, however I have heard stories of that occuring with MJ,Bird, Magic , Durant and Rose. Also it was his choice to not go to college and develop his game there, Both Rose and Durant gained valuable experience at that level. To try to dismiss their dedication as merely propaganda while exaggerating Dwights leadership or progress is at its base an injustice, and I think your better than that.

  • shutup

    @NBK I think the MVP voting from last year would stand to discredit you, and MJ made that supporting cast championship level, which is evident in the fact that other than Pippen almost all the other positions were interchangeable (if you know anything about history lol) and one could argue that the Magic would still be able to make the playoffs without Dwight and even with him they are not contenders.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    55-27 – That’s the Bulls Record in 93-94 (Still a Playoff Team without Michael Jordan). Pretty much proof that they were a championship level supporting cast in itself.
    .
    .
    And if you have been paying any attention this season you would clearly see that the Bulls, without Derrick Rose, are still a playoff team.
    .
    The MVP award is not given to guys that make their team playoff teams from non-playoff teams.
    .
    If that happened then LeBron would have what, 5 MVPs already?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    (The Bulls are 7-2 without Derrick Rose, if you weren’t aware of how well they played without him).

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And Dwight Howard is leaps and bounds better as a player. If you can’t see that then well, you haven’t watched him his whole career. Arguing with you about it is not going to do anything but illustrate how much of a problem you have with Dwight Howard for whatever reason that may be.

  • shutup

    lets take it to playground basketball your either the guy that doesnt care who you play with and competes to win or your the guy who calls next and tells people you got 5 but really your waitin for that dude to walk in the park. I just broke out a sick basketball metaphor, how’d that feel???? ungh take that, are you picking up what I’m puttin down, thats old school wisdom with some new school flair thats like a sick crossover to a thumbs down bounce pass, y’all cant see me. on another note I think the shamgod is the funniest move to watch someone get hit with, if you dont know go youtube that ish. Clan Ops in MW3 go live tommorow. R.I.P. Stack Bundles SSSQQQQUUUUAAAAADDDD UUUUUUPPPPPPP

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    ^^shutup for the win…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No you didn’t break out a metaphor, you just explained 2 different types of people. And sometimes, one person is one way at one open run, and different at another. Normally, if the person plays a lot of open-gym/playground they have the ability to look around and see how many people are waiting to play, and can discern that if they don’t play with a “stacked” team then they will be watching more then actually playing. I don’t know why I’m explaining this to you, clearly you think what you said relates to the NBA. Which is absurd.

  • shutup

    You just wanna argue, its cute. I walk on to a court and I know I’m the best in the park, either you play with me or your playing for second place, a good game and a dap, followed by NEXXXT. If I do lose the person with next is gonna find a way to pick me up. Your showing your roots, i’m talking playground and your talkin open run country club type ish. Like the Bible says; Milk for the babes and meat for the men.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lmao i’m speechless. your nonsense is crazy.

  • shutup

    A metaphor is a literary figure of speech that uses an image, story or tangible thing to represent a less tangible thing or some intangible quality or idea. ——Its only nonsense if you cant understand, clearly you lack the credentials.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Lol @nbk & shutup going in…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Your trying to compare types of people at an open gym, to NBA players “recruiting” teammates. Which is absurd. Just because you think you made a good metaphor doesn’t mean you actually succeeded. But you should put in on the fridge, I’m sure your mom would be proud.

  • shutup

    sickest line I ever heard from Stephen A. Smith “benefit of the doubt gets replaced by presumption of guilt”

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    @shutup:
    Are you going to take that?? lolol

  • bull22

    no the bulls would not be a playoff team, with no derrick rose to atract anyone to chicago, there is no coach tibbs, no boozer, no brewer, no hamilton and no kyle korver, therefore the team you see on the floor now does not exist without rose being around. any bulls fan knows this.. problem is there are many here that are just jordan fans, not bulls fans.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    That metaphor would work if you applied it to Magic Johnson in 1979, when he wouldn’t commit to the NBA unless he was going to LA. Because he didn’t join the “playground” game, until he had a team he was satisfied with. Metaphorically, if you wanted to compare it to the NBA today, specifically “the big three” you could have used your own little “I walk on to a court and I know I’m the best in the park, either you play with me or your playing for second place, a good game and a dap, followed by NEXXXT” which you could compare to how LeBron and Wade saw their joining together. But other then that, NBA players and players walking onto a playground are not related, outside of the sport they are playing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    If Rose never came to Chicago, then none of use have any clue what the Bulls would look like. Your argument makes no sense, at all.

  • shutup

    yes a metaphor compares things, now complete the thought, sit back and process it, I believe in you, take your time its not something that has to be rushed. Never mentioned an open gym, maybe where your from people dont play ball outside, but us poor folk dont have hoops in our driveway or even driveways for that matter let alone an open gym. Imagine a gym, but outside with people of darker complexion, sometimes with no nets and faded lines, just like Lennon said “Imagine” lol had to throw a Beatles reference to try to relate. But really you should google Stack Bundles enlighten yourself then you’ll have something to relate to the Mrs.

  • shutup

    sorry was listen to Stack Bundles lmao, I miss Far Rock.

  • RunNGun

    It’s the trashy newspaper NEW YORK POST at it again.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    your an idiot man. plain and simple. You don’t know me, or who I hoop with, or even how open-gym/playground (whatever you want to call it, it’s the same thing) basketball works out here. And again with the complexion sh*t? might as well just call yourself ignorant rather then shutup.

  • shutup

    For a self-proclaimed nerd your not very deep, I’m kind of disappointed in you.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    that’s cute

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    shutup, you were going solid, but slowly going off the deep end. Bulls are a playoff team without Rose I don’t know how anyone can say otherwise now without a mental handicap. The Bulls roll with or with out D-Rose. Thibs is the second MVP of that team imo.

  • shutup

    not the same thing, i’m trying to educate you. and its a fact any human that play outdoor more than in an open gym will have a darker complexion, never mentioned race, but I see where your mind is. Once I mention poor you assume I mean black, tsk tsk tsk

  • shutup

    @Lakeshow I tried but its hard to keep interest in arguments like this.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    ^HA!
    You know you were talkin’ ’bout Black folks. lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no it isn’t a fact. people that play inside more than outside can work outside, and have a darker complexion then anyone. But still, cute try.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    if you don’t want to be in these arguments that expose your personality then don’t get in them.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    As is such, nbk grabs back the win…

  • shutup

    lol listen Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are dark tooo, and as a counterpoint being poor would put you at a higher risk to have an outside job thus not having funds for the cost of a gym.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Rose wants Gasol, but he’ll never go on record with it.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    I go to gyms that are free…

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    And I have plenty of money.

  • shutup

    and to be honest this persona that I have on this site isnt even the same one I use on other sites let alone in real life, you have no idea what my personality is like, but the bits and pieces you expose tells so much about you.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol “this persona that I have on this site isnt even the same one I use on other sites let alone in real life – but the bits and pieces you expose tells so much about you.” that is rich.

  • shutup

    I too have been to gyms that were free, but the majority of basketball that I have played has been outside. If you have plenty “Can I Borrow a Dollar?” sorry couldnt resist throwing a Common reference out there, seeing as this is a Chicago thread and all.

  • bike

    It’s about time for a parable. Anybody got one?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Gyms where I live have free runs constantly (multiple times a week). There are about 3 parks where you can find good hoop in my whole city. And they are only busy about 6 months a year.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Depends where you live, if there is a difference between the playground and gym. Only someone who is completely ignorant would assume that the way hoop is where they are from is how it is everywhere. And only an equally ignorant person would even bring up complexion. Especially if they are talking about sun-tans.

  • shutup

    @NBK not rich, comfortable, a step better than I was brought into the world, but then again momma didnt have no monies for a fancy nbk education. the name NBK is rich lemme tell you if that isnt posturing I dont know what is, or maybe the correct psycho-analytical jargon would be over-compensating, when I address you from now on I’ll be referencing you as peewee

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Shutup
    Looking at assist numbers to determine passing can cause you miss facts.
    Dwight hits shooter in scoring position from the block, he makes the correct pass from the double team and he makes it at the correct time. These are all learned skills and important ones. He rarely over dribbles. He rarely gets those ridiculous charging fouls he used to get all the time as a younger player.
    He has shown the ability to hit a bank shot from the post since last year. He said he worked on it with Ewing for years, but always lacked the confidence to use it in a game situation. He does now.
    I mean, I’m watching dude play. He’s so much better it’s not funny, and the biggest leap was last year. At this point, it’s obvious you’re invested in a certain position and that’s fine, I just disagree vehemently.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    shutup you realize that the bulls made the playoffs with a lot of the same people 2 years before rose came right? they beat the defending champion miami heat…. and while rose was out with toe turf the bulls beat the celtics, a playoff caliber team. also pau is on the decline. Everything I just said is a fact.

  • shutup

    Seeing as I have played ball in NYC the majority of my life and now live in Vegas, which is comparable to your Arizona (I think) I feel I have a pretty good idea. 24 hour fitnesses and midnight runs are the norm out here but nothing and believe me when I tell you compares to mid-summer playground run in NYC, or for any other urban area, heard Chicago is tough and same for LA. and I would hope that the gym in your gated community would have open runs as a matter of fact what gyms do you play at?

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    @shutup:
    Sure, I’ll give you some money. I’m a charitable kind of gentile.
    As for a parable, I used to come up here often with a quote.
    As is such, it goes like this;
    “When I stand before God at the end of my life, I would hope that I would not have a single bit of talent left, and could say, I used everything you gave me”.
    -Erma Bombeck

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Look you don’t know me. Your assumptions are ignorant. I’m not going to tell you about my life, the last time I did that you proceeded to comment with ignorant hate like it was diarrhea falling off your fingers. So just wallow in your assumptions, play some MW3 and continue to think your not an idiot.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    All bow! The Great Philo has spoken in parables!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    As for the teaming up argument…
    Magic teamed up.
    Kobe teamed up.
    Rose got drafted number one by a team that was only like a year removed from the playoffs and had made multiple top ten selections in the past decade.
    Durant got drafted number two, by a team that then had multiple lottery picks in subsequent years.
    LeBron and wade both got drafted high. They were both so good that their squads were playoff teams quickly and no longer had great draft picks most year. Sadly, their front offices did a poor job of assembling talent.
    Look at Wade. Number five pick, makes the playoffs in year one, ECF in year two, Finals in year three, playoffs in year four. Sucks for a year, then gets a group of scrubs to the playoffs multiple years. Has his team use the second pick on Beasley.
    LeBron joins the Cavs. Wins 35 games a rookie. 42 games as a soph. 50 games in his third year. His success meant they didn’t get the best picks, and then to compound the problem they draft cats like Luke Jackson, Stephen Graham and random Euros.
    The year before the Bulls got Rose they won 33 games, but the year before that they won 49. totally different situations.

  • bull22

    @shutup, at some point you will realize that these clowns love to gangup on
    others who dont share their views or their bull. anytime i blast the knicks or heat, or give props to the bulls my little children nbk and allenp are there following me. i give you props for expressing you opinion to these
    ridiculous children who either rant or curse to try and get their points across.

  • shutup

    @Allen I dont disagree that he has improved, but I still see gaping holes in his game that by his 8th year in the league should have been fixed. He is also a transgressor of the rule never follow a great man , carve your own path to success, it was unfortunate for him to be drafted by Orlando and even more detrimental to embrace the Superman moniker. @Dat Pau isnt on the decline his numbers are on par with his career avgs and if the Lakers were better his numbers would be up. The Celtics are in shambles, and there is no way to defend Rose’s MVP if you believe his impact is so minimal. and you do realize the Bulls were like the five seed in a very weak eastern conference. So I contest that which you call fact I call opinion, which your entitled too, by all means

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    “To be conscious that you are ignorant is a great step to knowledge”
    -Benjamin Disraeli

  • shutup

    With a name like THE PHILOSOPHER i would hope he could bless us with parables and maybe even a well tuned soliloquy, but I would settle for a literary recommendation the pages on my Steppenwolf have become ragged and I have begun to highlight my underlines in my 48 Laws. @NBK did you say that in a black girl voice while having your hand on your hip and moving your neck back and forth? “Look you don’t know me. ” You is a non-factor b!tch LMFAO @allen again lol I dont disagree with the teaming up, but I dont think Rose or Durant would complain either way and maybe my perception is off about them, Durant could abuse puppies and rose hangs cats from atree in a burlap sack and beats them with a mop but until I read otherwise, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt, thus the earlier post with the Stephen A Smith line shutup Posted: Feb.23 at 12:53 pm
    sickest line I ever heard from Stephen A. Smith “benefit of the doubt gets replaced by presumption of guilt”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    There is nothing new under the sun.
    Many great men have followed in the footsteps of others. It’s not about Dwight trying to find some great man to follow, it’s about him disliking where he’s at, particularly him not really like Otis Smith.
    Look, who have the Magic drafted that was a legit player since they got Dwight? Jameer? Reddick? Travis Diener? James Augustine? He has them in the playoffs by year three, and they can’t figure out how to surround him with talent. Go back and look at those rosters.
    Let’s look at Dwight’s career. He comes out of high school and is completely raw. Averages a double/double on talent alone on a putrid team. Year two he’s averaging 15.8 and 12.5. At 20-years-old! Year four he’s averaging 20.7 and and 14.2! Those are the numbers that made Kevin Love a media darling last year. Since he hit the 20 ppg plateau, he’s only had one year where he dropped below it, and that was still his most efficient year as far as field goal percentage. The next year he’s at a career highs for scoring.
    I agree that dude is somewhat robotic on the block. That he whines to the refs. That it felt like it took him forever to develop. But, when you look at his numbers and team success, it’s obvious that he was a game changer almost immediately.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Making a playoff team the best team in your conference is anything but minimal impact. Nobody is downgrading how important Rose is to Chicago by saying they are a playoff team without him. it’s just true.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    exactly shutup, you keep it up sport.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Shutup is as cool as hell, man.

  • shutup

    oh hell yeah I’m ignorant as f%ck, thus I possess great knowledge, booyahh how you like me now???

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m not presuming guilt with Durant and Rose. I think they are stand up dudes and like I said up top, I respect the hell out of Rose’s demeanor.
    But, I’m reminded of how SHOCKED some people were when they saw Durant without a shirt on and realized he was tatted up. It went against the little fantasy image they’ve created in their minds.
    Durant and Rose have both been blessed with situations where they were either immediately competitive, or were quickly surrounded by high caliber talent.
    That was not true for Bron or Dwight. I think that’s just a fact.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Anyone who thought differently of Durant after seeing he has tattoos is an imbecile. Rose, Durant are good dudes, they always will be. Even if they make mistakes you can tell they have a heart of gold. Neil Young reference, how you like that shutup?! They are solid peeps though.

  • shutup

    But the Magic have traded for so many different types of players or signed them, but it doesnt really make a difference; I listed them earlier, and that was just off the top of my head, they made it to the finals. I dont give players a pass for jumping to the league, if theyre successful more power to them but if theyre slow to develop thats on them, they chose that road. As for Dwight he has to man up and take responsibility for his choices, coming out early landed him in Orlando, he could have shunned the superman out of respect but he embraced it like an over sized swagger-jacker. Look the other day I watched the end of an Orlando game, not sure who they were playing against but Magic lost bad and this dude is still cheesin, like ish is kosher. Same ish Stephen A said about Lebron after they lost, this dude is smiling like they won the chip. I bet Durant was in the gym the day after they got bumped and I put money that Rose was too. Look at what Durant did during the lockout, meanwhile Dwight is dunking on a 12 foot rim in japan like a clown.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    @shutup:
    Well, it is a step TO knowledge to know that we are ignorant. It is not automatic.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    you also have to actually believe it.

  • shutup

    But its a choice to get tatted under the jersey,” Life is a thinking mans game
    Use your head for it
    Ain’t no use in bein scared a ish
    If you prepared for it”- Dead Prez off the Soul in the Hole soundtrack. I see you Lakeshow and much respect The Philosopher. That album was off the hook, had Wu-Tang, Big Pun, Xzibit, Common, Cocoa Brovaz(smiff &Wessun), M.O.P., and other great tracks.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Dang philosopher with the dope quotes. @Nbk you’re an idiot the bulls don’t go to the playoffs without rose. Who would lead the Bulls? Deng? He tried that already he can’t do it. Noah can’t because he’s no Howard and Boozer is can’t either cause without Rose splitting Ds he can’t get opened as much. Boozer has always been good cause whatever team he’s on already has someone who attracts double teams. You’re an idiot Nbk stop trying to argue Rose with Bulls fans you moron.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Dang philosopher with the dope quotes. @Nbk you’re an idiot the bulls don’t go to the playoffs without rose. Who would lead the Bulls? Deng? He tried that already he can’t do it. Noah can’t because he’s no Howard and Boozer is can’t either cause without Rose splitting Ds he can’t get opened as much. Boozer has always been good cause whatever team he’s on already has someone who attracts double teams. You’re an idiot Nbk stop trying to argue about Rose you got nada.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Shut up
    So, you’re honestly saying you haven’t seen Dwight’s development as a player?
    Moreover, considering how absolutely raw he was coming out of high school, you honestly don’t believe he’s developed skills?
    Seeing as how I don’t think you’re ignorant, it’s almost like you just don’t like Dwight on a personal level. That’s fine, your choice, but it can’t be justified with the fact that he hasn’t improved enough as a player. He was just an athletic blob when he came in the League, he’s a complete player now. He’s not an all-time great, but he is very, very good.
    Durant and Rose both were in China during the Lockout. And Durant played for hundreds of thousands of dollars in the Phillipines.
    Like I said earlier, every superstar in the League puts in work in the offseason. I mean, do you think Durant goes harder in the weight room than Dwight? Before this season, did Durant work hard enough on all of the aspects of the game not related to scoring?

  • bike

    Philo, awesome parable. I also hope God isn’t too harsh on blokes who spend an inordinate amount of time on basketball sites.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t know what you think constitutes a playoff team in the East, but right now, 15-17 is the 8th seed. Whether you think I’m an idiot or not, the Bulls, with how they played without Rose (7-2), would still be a playoff team.

  • shutup

    dammit, I was gonna print up a diploma from the school of idiocy put it on my fridge and show my mom. Its cool still got my SOHK shirt with my diploma from the streetz lmao

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The only reason why I think NBK is wrong about the Bulls as a playoff team without Rose is because right now, the number eight seed in the East is Boston, and I can’t honestly say that the Bulls without Rose are better than Boston, and would be better than them over the course of season. They can beat Boston in a game, but I don’t know about over a season.
    Nor are they better than the Knicks, Atlanta or Indiana, which are the other teams in the bottom half of the conference.
    But, even without Rose they would probably be over .500 in a season.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You take Rose out of Chicago, each team moves up a seed. Which leaves an opening at number 8. Unless what your really saying is, without Rose the Bulls would be worse then Milwuakee. Or well yeah, Milwuakee. Currenty #9 in the East at 13-20. Pretty much, think about it Allen.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think that without Rose, Boozer is your best player. And a Boozer, Deng, Hamilton, Noah nucleus is enough to be around .500.
    Mainly because teams would prepare differently for the entire system for the Bulls and the Bulls players would be able to shoulder on knowing that they only have to pick up the slack for a short amount of time. It’s different when you know you have to do something every night compared to having to do it for a short period of time.
    I don’t know about the Bucks being better than a Rose-less bulls, but I would say Cleveland is for sure.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    How? Who would lead the Bulls? We were ok without Rose because of a weak schedule. Again Nbk you’really wrong but you won’t admit it cause of internet ego.

  • shutup

    Durant was playing in summer league after summer league I saw love for the game the way he was playing, same reason I have a lot of respect for Harden. As for Dwight I’ve seen development, but is it wrong to expect more? As a student of the game I have an affinity for undersized post players and skilled post players it started with Barkley, then I read he said Mchale was the hardest person for him to guard in his career studied his game, went old school and got James Worthy tapes from the old heads at the park Adrian Dantley, The Microwave, then it was Olajuwan, Patrick Ewing, even Rik Smits at the time then Shaq and Duncan now we have Dwight, so much and honestly it wouldnt be so bad if he was a leader or showed that fire it takes to win a chip in the nba, actually last year was the first time in a while that I felt there wasnt a real killer in the finals. Even with a rudimentary offensive game he could emulate Russell, his lack of understanding of the team concept is what kills it for me. and for the record I’m not a Bulls fan- Its the Spurs for me, but I can appreciate a love for the game, not some petulant whining that comes off like a spoiled child.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If Cleveland hadn’t gotten off to a slowish start, they would be closer to that eighth spot.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    My bad, guys, I’m in a groove now…
    “Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.”
    -Andre Gide

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    tom thibodeau would lead the Bulls. – And Allen, I can’t believe you just said Cleveland. What your saying is that Cleveland will end up above .500 considering you just said “But, even without Rose they would probably be over .500 in a season.” Cleveland is currently 13-18.

  • bike

    Dwight has made progress as a player. But, considering his athletic ability, he has always looked like a player that is falling short of his potential. He can’t shoot free throws so he is not a complete player. And he is still very immature in the way he acts, talks, and presents himself.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Deng is the bulls’ 2nd best player.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Cavs are 5-6 in the month of February. Only 2 of those games have been on the road.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Thibs is far away from his playing days at Salem State I think he’d rather coach. With that being said, wow you’re stupid. You really think without a star any coach can lead a team to the playoffs? Really lol wow

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Yes Deng is but he couldn’t lead the Bulls he tried already. He’s gotten better since Rose came and is now finally an all-star.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    Bulls can still be a “playoff” team even without Rose, not “championship” caliber though. Kirk Hinrich used to run the show for Da Bulls and they were already a defensive team even before Tim arrived.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You don’t need a star to make the playoffs. That idea is stupid. Denver is about to make the playoffs for a second straight year, without anything close to a star player.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I’m sorry but somehow with DHow’s skill and talent level avg. barely above 20ppg isn’t impressive in the slightest bit. Given the ineptitude of the 5 spot in today’s NBA, the guy should be dropping 25-27ppg every night and blocking 3+ shots. We can not hold other superstars to high standards while giving Howard a pass on his lack of dominant play night in and night out.

  • shutup

    denver is the ninth seed and falling fast.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    *someone*

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    9th seed with the same record as the 8th seed. But your right. My fault. The point still stands, you don’t need a star player to make the playoffs. And that Bulls team, even without Rose is better then every team in the East but the top 7. At least, imo.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    @shutup…a fully “healthy” Denver could be a top 10 team in the NBA.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Yeah healthy with its star player Danilo.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    LOL, Luol Deng is better then Danilo.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    “A man with one watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never quite sure.”
    -Lee Segall

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    “For you to insult me, I must first value your opinion.”

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    ^Thread over…

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Actually Deng “led” the bulls past the defending champs Miami Heat in the 07 Playoffs. So let’s not act like dude is useless without Rose by his side.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    With regards to age yes he is. And he has another star in Lawson.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    who says Gallo is a “star” player?

  • shutup

    Philo droppin ish like a pigeon. NBK not so much. @Fury what is fully healthy really? I mean i get the concept but does it actually exist? Didnt Jordan drop 45 with a flu, have you ever seen Bird’s hands ? a fully healthy Shaq would run the league. If Steve Francis didnt have migraines he coulda been one of the best pg’s ever. I have enough trouble dealing with reality, thank you very much

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think that if they hadn’t struggled out of the gate, the Cavs would finish right around .500. And it could still happen.
    And, Dwight is a very good player. Last year he averaged 23 and 14. That’s dominating.
    I don’t expect him to score as much as players in the past because that’s not his game and that’s not his team’s game. Yes, he could be better, but y’all act like he’s been wasting time and not really improving because he’s always laughing. You don’t judge improvement by potential, you judge improvement by looking at the starting point.
    Y’all just don’t like Dwight. His demeanor and his game. And that’s cool. But I think dude would have gotten the same 20 and 14 he’s been putting up since he was 22 in any era.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    the same dude that said Ty Lawson is.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    When you look at this shot attempts and scoring average, it makes perfect sense.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Miami winning that year was a fluke and only cause Wade carried that team. Deng is good but not at his full potential without Rose.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    …oh nevamind lol

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Co-sign Allenp @3:30 p.m.
    Earvin was always laughing. While adding to his game during the off season.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Man I tweeted a picture of Magic killing in the 92 all star game last week with a big ass smile on his face. I loved that about him.

  • shutup

    Smiling but Magic was a killer on the court same as Isiah; Dwight doesnt possess that, nor the same kind of leadership those two share or the sense of team they both embodied.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Fair enough but explain to me the lack of blocks comparable to past defensive greats at the center position. I think I had the same convo with Jukai on why DHow’s block shots look measley compared to guys like Deke, Hakeem, ZO and even someone like Camby. I know that blocks isn’t the tell all for how effective a defensive player is but Howard’s career BPG is shockingly low for someone with his size and athleticism.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    For how much Dwight is being criticized as a leader, he’s taken his team further then the other guys that are being celebrated as “better leaders”
    .
    .
    just sayin

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    JTaylor, the NBA game is played completely different now then it was in the 90s and every era before that. More shots from the perimeter + slower pace = less blocks for everyone.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Agree with shutup that Dwight Howard is not a “killer”.
    His peers do not fear him like they would fear someone else.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Says the same guy who thinks Bulls can contend without Rose. Nbk be trying to protect his internet. Image mad hard lol bum.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    When you watch Dwight play do you ever think “He really doesn’t do a great job protecting the rim.”
    If you never think that, then why worry about the stats so much? Only person better at protecting the rim than Dwight Howard is DeAndre Jordan.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    JTaylor, It’s easy. Dwight doesn’t _gamble_ like Deke, Hakeem, and Zo always did.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And DeAndre only averages 2.6 blocks.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    shutup who said I was defending rose’s mvp? I just said a rose-less bulls would make the playoffs. They’d be like an 8th seed but they’d make it. but for the record Rose took what would be an 8th seed to #1 seed…sounds fairly mvp worthy to me. and pau’s current #’s and performance in the playoffs last year should be proof enough of his decline but whatever.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The last time ORL played MIA, I said the exact same thing. He does a good job protecting the rim but he’s not the shot-blocker those guys were regardless of era and playing styles. He doesn’t have the timing, positioning and relentess energy/passion those guys had going after shots.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Gotta put Serge I’llblockya right next to those two also.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    How many times did Wade and Bron attack the rim unmolested while DHow stood there watching? Guys like Zo and Deke got dunked on countless times yet they stood their ground every time a player attacked the basket.
    Also, Ibaka is a better shot-blocker/rim defender than DHow.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Hey Red, being a competent reader is an important part of not looking like a jackass.
    .
    .

    nbk Posted: Feb.23 at 11:44 am
    lol, no, the Bulls are still a playoff team, with or without Rose. They are a contender with him. That’s the difference.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    I said they aren’t a playoff with Rose, I believe that’s what I been arguing, that without Rose they can’t go to the playoffs. So you look like a jackass dontcha, k.

  • Paul H

    This has to be the most bi-polar site on the web.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Lol @Red & nbk going in…

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Red Posted: Feb.23 at 3:45 pm
    Says the same guy who thinks Bulls can contend without Rose. Nbk be trying to protect his internet. Image mad hard lol bum.
    -
    The thing about a comment is, it never goes away.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Smart shot blockers don’t go after every shot. That is a myth. Getting dunked on is fine, but I’ve never seen Howard refuse to try to block shots that he should be trying to block. He doesn’t go up if he can’t get a clean block becuase if he fouls out, it’s a wrap for the team.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ibaka is great. I think Howard and Jordan are better.

  • bull22

    @nbk why don’t you repost some of your stupid predictions from last year instead of reposting other user’s posts like some silly girl. you don’t see me posting your garbage over and over again, you really are fool.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    I actually don’t think deng is better than danillo gallinari at all….. besides play defense what exactly does deng do better than gallinari?

  • bull22

    carmelo anthony only forced last years trade to denver because he wanted to copy his daddy lebron, wanted to go home to new york to play with amare stoudemire.. you remove those elements he would never go to new york, and you are a fool to believe otherwise..

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Kid, Deng is smarter. Which is pretty big. He seems to fit into his teams Offensive scheme better. And he is a better mid-range shooter. Not really goin to argue if you don’t agree though, the gap between the two isn’t huge

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Come on man, you can’t tell me that you didn’t see that game vs the Heat where I think it was Hubie Brown was pointing out that Howard had numerous chances to go up and challenge Bron/Wade’s attempts at the rim but he stood there watching. I can’t say it’s a one game thing because I’ve seen him do that on numerous occasions.
    I’m not doging him, I just don’t think he’s as great a shot-blocker/rim defender as everyone thinks.

  • Paul H

    Deng Is an all nba defender, better rebounder and better passer. In my book that makes him a better player. Easily. Theres only a point between their scoring averages as well.

  • Paul H

    @datkid

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Yeah they don’t..good job? Wtf was reposting that comment supposed to do? LOL you did say that they can’t win without Rose & I’m saying they can’t. You look like a straight buffoon son.

  • Mr. Chill

    Mr. Chill is back to bring another cold prediction. The person that is name red, you need to chill out and go ride a donkey. Mr. Chill says that without Rose, the bulls wouldn’t even compete at all. The teams to watch out for will be the Bulls and Oklahoma. When its time to get cold, Mr. Chill dosn’t fail.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    can*

  • bull22

    @red and if nbk goes into silence, its his GIRL mode because he can’t answer a legitimate question! hahahahahhahahahahahhahaahhahahahahhahaahhahahahahahahaha

  • bull22

    i love his numbers game like last year,me nbk being the expert here and according to lebrons james numbers
    plus mc=2 he will be nba champion against the mavericks, classic ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahaha

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    When I first saw Andre Kirilenko’s giant tattoo, it strengthened my image of a badass russian with the nickname ak47.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Red Posted: Feb.23 at 3:45 pm
    Says the same guy who thinks Bulls can contend without Rose. Nbk be trying to protect his internet. Image mad hard lol bum.
    . nbk Posted: Feb.23 at 11:44 am
    lol, no, the Bulls are still a playoff team, with or without Rose. They are a contender with him. That’s the difference.

    - its pretty simple. I never said “Bulls can contend without Rose.” so I reported my comment to illustrate such to you. Then you responded with something irrelevant, so I took your own comment and showed you why I said what I said. All you need is the ability to read things in order.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Bull, idk what your talking about.

  • Paul H

    @Nbk, judging by the written quality of some of the comments here, reading logically may be asking too much.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol good point.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    But my argument is they wouldn’t even make the playoffs so again you look stupid as does Paul & his wanna be American lame self.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I know what your argument is. That doesnt change what you said, and the perfectly logical response that followed from me. You have to be completely dense if you can’t see that everything I’ve said to you is 100% logical. The difference from your opinion and mine is, you think I’m somehow less intelligent because I don’t agree with you, and I think your an idiot because you lack the ability to piece information together in a logical order.

  • Paul H

    Oh stop Red you’re going to hurt my feelings. It’s actually funny that you would use “wanna be American” as an insult.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    “I’m the equivalent of what would happen if Bush rapped”.
    -M. Bruce Mathers III

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Logical response, logic says losing your #1 scorer & distributor & the guy who destroys opposing Ds would cause the Bulls to suck. That’s logic, what you’re saying is guessing & trying to act like whatever you say is right, when really you’re a moron. @Paul yeah.

  • bike

    All these back and forth comments make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

  • bull22

    @red derrick rose is the engine that got the bulls rising again, without his prescence rich carlyle,avery johnson and mike d antoni did not take interest in this job, therefore we can rightly assume everyone who is in place right now would not be here if it was not for rose. thats what makes you right and any reasonable bull fan right, you can’t reason with a mule bro.

  • dev0

    much respect

  • Paul H

    Didn’t the bulls go 7-3 without Rose?

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Exactly, if they had a Beasley instead of a Rose, they wouldn’t have a superstar to build around.

  • bull22

    @paul h, i dont know how much of this conversation you saw today. yes i agree with that statement, but tibbs and all those new cats that are in uniform are all here because of rose. without him this subject today and this chat does not even exist.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    @paulh deng is really a better passer? I’ll take your word for it. and gallinari’s not a terrible defender though right? @nbk I kinda thought Gallinari’s versatility on offense would make him more able to fit into almost any offensive system than deng, even though he’s getting worse at 3 point shooting. but I hear you and your honestly probably right, so i’ll concede

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    nbk you gotta stop asking people to think logically fam… lmao and yeah paul… they did. which is why it’s hilarious that bulls “fans” are trying to argue that they’d be the worse team on the planet without derrick rose.

  • JR smiths!!

    man you all haters! drose is dorse and d12 is D 12 !!! YAH FeeL mE~?

  • shutup

    Without Rose the Bulls are a bubble team barely .500 and have a better chance of missing the playoffs as they do of making it. and even less of a chance to get out of the first round. quite frankly I think that even if Dwight left Orlando for nothing, it might actually help that team, much like the absence of Melo helped Denver. And leadership doesnt necessarily equate ultimate success, Nash is a leader, Stockton was a leader, Dwight isnt a leader, and unless he increases his offensive output or fourth quarter proficiency he will never be a true candidate for MVP.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    “JR Smiths” with the comment of the year.

  • shutup

    and personally I think Deng is overrated I dont care what your team record is, I dont think a player whos avg under 16 ppg (actually i think 20ppg should be the cutoff) should even be considered unless he’s leading the league in assists or two out of the three defensive stats (Rebounds,Steals, Blocks) Dengs numbers this season 15.9ppg .8 bpg 1.1 stlpg 3.3 apg 6.9 trbpg do they look like all-star numbers?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    What part of the Bulls being 7-3 without Rose in the lineup don’t some people get? Their defense, rebounding and coaching isn’t going anywhere.
    Also…Deng has become a terrible mid-range shooter. The guy is shooting 31% from mid-range (109th among 118 players).

  • Paul H

    A good comparison would be the Sacramento teams between 2000-2002. Chris Webber missed over 40 games between those two seasons yet Sacramento still won between 55 to 60 games a season. Without him they were still a collection of well organized, talented and cohesive group of ballplayers. With him: Contender.

  • shutup

    in that 7-3 span how many teams did they play that were above .500? I’m seriously asking. Defense is great but I dont understand were you think that 20ppg would come from consistently. Maybe the stat nerds will grace us with team scoring totals for the bulls sans Rose. As for the Deng Gallinari debate go look at the stats they are so close its not even worth debating, except for the fact that Gallinari is on the rise in the past 3 years while Deng’s numbers are on the decline for the same three years

  • Justin G.

    Dwight would not have had 23 and 14 in the 90′s. Too many centers better than him back then to allow that to happen. Magic may have been smiling during the games they were winning but if they were losing he definitely wasn’t. If the Lakers were getting blown out (didn’t happen often but on the occasion that it did) you can be damn sure Magic wasn’t joking around on the bench, laughing it up with his teammates. He would have been angry as hell. @nbk…Can you do me one small favour? I know it’s minor but it’s just a pet peeve of mine. When you shorten “you are” can you just make sure you use “you’re” instead of “your”? As in “YOU’RE an idiot shutup”. Thanks

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol i can try and do that.

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