Monday, February 13th, 2012 at 10:10 am  |  91 responses

Kobe Bryant on NBA Teams That Didn’t Draft Him


Kobe Bryant gave Peter Vecsey of the NY Post a fascinating glimpse into what took place prior to the 1996 NBA draft, when he was a fresh-faced 17-year old looking for NBA employment: “The one rubbing Bryant the rawest implicates Dave Cowens, then the Hornets’ coach. At some point soon after the Hornets selected Bryant with the No. 13 pick, the two had a private phone conversation that went something like this. Cowens: ‘You know what the deal is, right? Kobe: ‘Yes, I do.’ Cowens: ‘Well, that’s good, because we don’t need you anyway.’ Kobe is as stupefied and infuriated now as he was then. ‘Can you believe someone would say something like that to a 17-year-old!’ he says, his face one-third smile, one-third scowl and one-third sinister. ‘That really threw me. It really hurt. Especially since it came from him. I knew about Dave Cowens. I knew what a great player he was. I followed his career. I looked up to him because he played so hard and showed so much passion. That spit just blew me away!’ Then again, by then, Bryant should have been accustomed to being disillusioned by Hall of Fame players. Twice he worked out for Clippers’ GM Elgin Baylor … and coach Bill Fitch. After the second, the two dream weavers invited Bryant to lunch. ‘They told me it was the two best workouts they’d ever seen,’ he said. ‘That’s it, I figured, I was going be a Clipper and play in L.A. I was pumped!’ Before Bryant had finished his fantasy, his magic carpet ride crashed. Out of nowhere, Baylor and Fitch flipped the switch. ‘Your skill level is off the charts. Your athleticism is exceptional. And your energy and enthusiasm are remarkable,’ they gushed. ‘But we can’t draft you … Because people out here won’t think we’re serious if we draft a high school kid at No. 7.’ [...] Bryant never had any reason to believe he would wind up playing in nearby Philadelphia for the 76ers, holders of the draft’s oceanfront lot. There was little doubt Allen Iverson would be the top pick. Yet GM Brad Greenberg invited Kobe in, anyway, for a test run. ‘I guess they saw some of my high school games. That was the only explanation I could think of for not being asked to shoot or dribble or demonstrate any of my skills’ Bryant said. ‘All they wanted me to do was to sprint the court. They timed me on a stop watch.’ Greenberg told Bryant him Iverson had run faster. ‘So?!?!’ Kobe exclaimed. [...] Greenberg disputes Bryant’s version. In an email he said the workout consisted of more than running. ‘He did shooting drills and other stuff … had a great workout,’ Greenberg wrote. ‘I just thought Iverson [was] a better selection at the time. I wasn’t comfortable going with a HS kid for the No. 1 pick vs. Iverson.’”

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  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Actually, he put up 30, 7 and 6, or just about, in 2002-2003. Plus 2.2 steals. Check the numbers.
    30 points, 6.9 rebounds, 5.9 assists. And we all know the Lakers liked to run a slower offense instead of pushing the pace.
    Kobe is without a doubt a chucker. But I remember JOrdan. Jordan chucked like a bandit. He just typically settled for fewer jumpers. One, because he was smarter. Two, because nobody could stay in front of him and the illegal defense rules were way stricter.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I honestly could see the assists happening. Not the rebounding though. And I don’t really know if a faster paced would have really changed much for Kobe. Maybe a couple more assists, but he pretty much is an iso-offensive player. The triangle opened up just as much as it took away – imo – it’s was/is his dominant teammates that prevent him from having higher assist numbers. (But how low would his efficiency of been if he played in a 2006 Cleveland type system?) – But I could never see him being over 6RPG, he is all perimeter on defense.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh well there goes my theory on his rebounding. that was a dumb overlook lol – my bad

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    So…the cavs with Bron ran a fast-paced offense?
    04-05 Cavs- 19th in Pace
    05-06 Cavs- 19th in Pace
    06-07 Cavs- 18th in Pace
    07-08 Cavs- 25th in Pace
    08-09 Cavs- 25th in Pace
    09-10 Cavs- 25th in Pace

  • Yaya

    Didn’t Kobe tell certain teams not to draft him? Didn’t Kobe want to go to the Lakers and with the help of his daddy, that is how he went to LA? This seems like a good story. Kobe was not a kid just happy to go to any team that wanted him.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    No the Cavs with LeBron ran an open system that let him dictate the offense. I don’t know how efficient Kobe would have been in those circumstances. It was unrelated to the fast paced portion of my comment.

  • Zabbah

    LDub you’re talking sh*t.

  • Ldub

    I guess T-money and Allenp are somehow connected telepathically? Crazy how you guys both basically said the same exact thing. My opinion mirrors what you have both stated…Kobes legacy would have been great no matter what team he played with…but to what level? We could make the same argument for Jordan (without phil, pip, rodman, etc). Winning is synonymous with greatness. If Bron never wins…he will be considered great for his “stats” but it wont mean the same. Wont have the same value. If Kobe was on a bad team, we might not have gotten to see him be Jordanish in the playoffs/finals. We were lucky to see a few make it, but because they didnt win, it sort of taints the legacy. (Allen Iverson)—Kobe would have been a beast, no doubt. But would he be on such a high pedestal as he is now? The argument can be made on both sides.

  • Ldub

    @Zabbah….WTH are you talking about?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah, I agree that his legacy would be different, much, much different. Just not his game.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Allen – “Two, because nobody could stay in front of him and the illegal defense rules were way stricter.” – I’d rather play today where guys like Derek Harper can’t literally steer you around the perimeter.

  • MikeC.

    I remember reading about Kobe’s agent telling teams not to draft him unless they were trading him to LA. This sounds like revisionist history to me. Kobe manufacturing motivation in a seemingly wasted season of his career.

  • T-Money

    Sometimes I think rings get too much play in basketball to determine greatness. It matters somewhat in football and not at all in baseball. I dont care that Dirk won a ring, Karl Malone is still better. Wilt is still a better player to me than Russell even though Russell won a million rings.

  • Algren

    Kobe is rewriting history here kids. HE WARNED TEAMS NOT TO DRAFT HIM!
    He had his wishlist and that was that.

  • http://facebook.com/tronjohnson Chief

    @T-Money how is Bill Russell not better when almost every ring he won was a match-up against Wilt? Nevermind the fact that the Finals MVP is now named after him. The Ring is the only thing in sports. Everyone remembers you. People only know Wilt for the 100 point game. That’s it period. He was not a winner. Kobe cares about that next ring more than any of the other ones he’s won. Wilt only cared about money and himself which is why he doesn’t have much championship swag. If you don’t beleive in the rings you don’t believe in much my man.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Cheif Wilt wasn’t a winner?? Word? He’s only known for the 100-point game? F’Real?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    *Chief

  • manu

    iverson + shaq would’ve been three rings
    mac + shaq would’ve been three rings
    VC + shaq would’ve been three rings

    kobe doesn’t have more skill than any of those guys he just has a better work ethic and drive

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    ^^^^^^^manu you a dummy.
    DOn’t ever compare AI, MAC or VC to KOBE. There is a reason MJ feels Kobe can only be compared to him. AI couldn’t play with anyone, he ran of Larry Hughes, Stackhouse and others then he got ran off like a vagabond. MAC could not win a 1st round series when up on Detroit 3-1 and couldn’t lead good teams to anything-playoff wins-mainly 1st round. VC greatest triumph is a dunk over a 7ft scrub and graduating from UNC before a playoff game. VC is softer than tissue and never worked hard to be more than a dunker. KOBE led two teams to a ring as the leader and led teams as co leader with Shaq to three rings. BOOK IT!!

  • http://facebook.com/tronjohnson Chief

    @Black Phantom Wilt won two championships and Bill Russell won ten. In that era where Wilt is looked at as the dominant big man he could only muster two chips to Bill Russell’s ten. The celtics won 8 in a row before Wilt got over that hump and then he only did it once after. He then lost again to Bill Russell when he had Jerry West and Elgin Baylor on his squad. He was always focused on his own stats, not winning chips. And history shows us that.

  • JESUS

    THE 1996 DRAFT IS ALLEN IVERSON SHOW…

    I remember http://youtu.be/Oz_exnhq9lI

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Kobe failed to get out of the first round with the same sort of teams TMac couldn’t get out of the first round. don’t be fooled.
    Iverson didn’t run off anybody. Larry Brown refused to let him play the point, and the Sixers gave up on Stackhouse and Hughes they both played the two guard. And then I think they stupidly drafted Tim Thomas.
    I hate revisionist history. I don’t know if Iverson could have won three rings with Shaq honestly, but I wouldn’t be so sure he couldn’t. Y’all are tripping if y’all are that certain. Scrubs don’t put up 33 and 8. they just don’t.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Kobe team was ten times worst than the any of McGrady Rocket and Magic teams. You should know that. Bball knowledge dude.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    AI didn’t want to play and share the ball, you must have forgot. Also AI is not winning with Shaq, AI and Shaq would not get along, to make it work. AI did run off those players, go reread past articles. Bball knowledge dude.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Indeed, the Sixers and Pistons probably improved themselves for very different reasons, but when it all shakes out, half the players involved may be playing elsewhere next season and the other half could be worse off for the experience.

    First, Philly. In two full seasons and seven weeks of a third, the Sixers compiled a 46-140 record with Stackhouse–the fellow once deemed their savior, the next Jordan, the cornerstone, whatever–in their lineup. Even Stackhouse admits, “It was time to shake up things a little bit. Sometimes, it’s not the addition of a player, it’s the subtraction.”

    Indeed, it’s a chemistry move for the Sixers, who had compiled a year’s worth of evidence that Stackhouse and Allen Iverson could not coexist. Overnight, things happened quickly: Jimmy Jackson moved back to shooting guard, Ratliff and Scott Williams shared the center minutes, Derrick Coleman returned to claim his power forward spot, Tim Thomas became the starting small forward and Clarence Weatherspoon moved one step closer to the exit.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    April, 2008 article
    Yet he is 0-6 in his playoff careers. This 2008 season he has a big burden on his shoulders. His twenty two game winning streak is the second greatest winning streak in NBA history but he can’t get out the first round of the playoffs. This is when players are judged. He may be one of the fifty players to play the game but he will never be considered to be in that category because those fifty players have gotten out of the first round of the playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    I think the biggest thing that separates kobe from jordan is athleticsm. Kobe is an excellent athlete but jordan was an absolute FREAK. people forget Joran was stronger, faster, and quicker which is why nobody could stay in front of him, so that he didn’t have to take long jumpshots despite him not having as good of a crossover necessarily as kobe.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    not to start a kobe vs jordan debate here tho lol

  • cinquet

    the nets upper management tol calapari not to draft kobe and to draft kerry kittles. He never refuse to play for the nets.

  • Justin G.

    Isn’t it obvious that AI had an advantage coming out of that draft in that he had played for 4 more years than Kobe? Kobe was 17, Iverson was 21 and had played at Georgetown. He was more ready to take on a team “maturity” (and I use the term loosely) wise. Also saying Kobe might not have won if he started on a bad team is dumb too. Maybe his team’s record isn’t very good, they get a great draft pick, and become a great team. Maybe he doesn’t win in his first 7 years like the way Michael didn’t but with smart drafting and trading they win a bunch? You can’t just say it wouldn’t have happened because there are way too many factors that COULD make it happen. And how is Kobe rewriting history here? He was asked about the teams that passed him over and he was repeating some of the conversations he had. He didn’t say they all passed him over for something better. Sometimes the haters like to read things that just aren’t there. @The Seed…nobody would compare VC to Kobe now, but back then it was very debatable. Carter was more athletically gifted than Kobe, was bigger and stronger. The difference was in the mental side of the game. Vince relied too much on his God-given talents (kind of like Dwight now) and didn’t push himself to become as great as he could have been. I don’t think there’s anyone who would dispute that had Vince been as mentally tough as Kobe that we wouldn’t be talking about Carter being one of the all time greats at this point in his career as well. Quite frankly, I’m more shocked that someone said Wilt was not a winner and will only be remembered for his 100 point game period.

  • Cool Dude

    There are a ton of statistics on why Wilt isn’t considered a winner. Some of these include the fact that he would start slacking in close games because he wanted to avoid getting fouled, or rest on defense to avoid fouling (because he wanted to preserve his streak of never fouling out any game). In the playoffs over 160 games, Wilt averages 22.5 pts, 24.5 rebounds, 4.2 assists, 47% FT, 52% FG. Russel put up over 165 playoff games 16.2/24.9/4.7/60%/43%. Those are pretty comparable numbers, which is further indication that against real competition, Wilt did not seem nearly as extraordinary as he did when feasting on 6’4 unathletic white guys. Wilt was a terrible team player throughout his career (probably similar to kobe in 06-07) and had a 4-5 record in game 7′s and 10-11 record in elimination games.

  • bk

    @chief…. It must be amatuer hour…… First of all bill Russell won 11 rings…. And wilt only being remembered for the 100 point game? Well I guess that happens when your a 7 time scoring champion who once scored 4029 points in a single season at 50.4 pergame. But don’t forget he was an 11 time rebounding champ with career average of 22.9…… Man, he even lead the league in assists one year….. From the center position…… So don’t come here making it sound like you know something about basketball

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    That article condensed Stackhouse not Iverson. And I do t need old articles because I actually lived through that era.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Condemned

  • Chukaz

    I’m a huge Kobe fan, but this dude is nuts. He should go see a therapist or something. I can totally see him going to a Subway asking for light mayo, being told they only got regular and him using that as motivation. He’d stay late after practice because they guy at Subway denied him light mayo and he’ll prove Subway guy wrong. I can also see him going to a Best Buy looking for a 4D TV, being told they don’t exist, going off on the team he’s facing that night, looking at the camera and yelling “Hey, guy from Best Buy that claims 4D TVs don’t exist, how’s that for 4D, b*tch!”

  • Cameron

    @chukaz…the 4d tv bit gave me a chuckle

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  • Michael

    If you go back and look at the 02-03 season Kobe averaged 28, 8 , and 8 for the first two months of the season. He had 5 tripple doubles in December alone. But the Lakers were losing. Then he switched it up and started shooting everytime down the court and they started winning. He hasn’t stopped shooting since.

  • JRSD

    Seriously the people on here saying stuff about Kobe didn’t do crap his first 2 seasons in the league and nobody was outraged that he wasn’t starting. Are you guys idiots. Kobe came to a deep & loaded Laker team in his rookie season that was expected to be title contenders. Eddie Jones was already an all star player. Kobe’s 2nd year in the league he averaged 15 points a game off the bench playing no more than 30 minutes per game. Oh and are people forgetting that Kobe was voted in as the youngest ever NBA all star starter in the 1998 season which was his second season. The point is that AI came came to a sorry Sixers team and was able to put up some off the chart stats while Kobe rode the bench his first 2 years on very deep & talented Laker team. The fact that Kobe is now 5th on the career all time scoring list and is still climbing and will no doubt pass Michael Jordan says a hell of a lot considering he didn’t even play that much his first 2 seasons.

  • bar

    two words…… JERRY WEST

  • bar

    for that guy who said kobe could not get out of the first round…. his teammates were smush parker…kwame brown…. enough said.

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