Wednesday, February 1st, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  54 responses

Pacers’ Coach Frank Vogel Welcomes Rivalry With Bulls

by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

Fearing that they would be giving opponents too much motivation, most NBA coaches avoid any talk about rivalries or dislike for other teams. Frank Vogel, the Indiana Pacers’ young coach, is not like most others.

Last week, the Pacers walked out of Chicago with a tough win over the Bulls, and their post-victory celebration got under Derrick Rose’s skin. He vowed revenge next time the two teams meet.

Frank Vogel welcomes the challenge. From ESPN:

“I don’t know if we really celebrated any more than a lot of teams celebrated when they get a road win,” Vogel said. “I know they’ve got a couple guys on their team who celebrate on every play. I just think it’s the thrill of victory. If they want to add some spice to the rivalry we welcome that. Rivalries are fun. Winning is fun. It’s all good.”

In their first meeting since a physical first-round playoff series won by the Bulls last season, the Pacers ended Chicago’s 12-game regular season home winning streak with a 95-90 victory on Jan. 25. The Pacers’ celebration left an impression on Rose. “I’ll never forget how they celebrated just from winning this game,” Rose told reporters after the game. “I can’t wait to play them again.” Bulls swingman Ronnie Brewer said that the Bulls could hear the Pacers’ celebration in the locker room. Vogel defended his Pacers, who aside from handing the Bulls a rare home loss, did it on the second night of a back-to-back after a loss to the Orlando Magic.

The next meeting between these Central Division rivals takes place in Chicago on March 5th. And one can only hope that they’ll get a chance to go at it once again during the postseason.

Two good, young, feisty teams that don’t like each other at all. What more could you ask for?

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  • Pais

    Uh oh. Sorry Vogel but Bulls vs Pacers isn’t eligible for ‘rivalry’ status. Criteria for legitimate rivalry status still pending. (Did I get it right nbk?)

  • Pais

    Couldn’t help it. I’m small I know.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol I don’t care. I personally don’t consider them rivals but I ain’t harpin on that, Chicago did just take them out in the playoffs anyway.

  • AD

    it isnt a rivalry yet but if Indiana is an good team….. I said from Jump that this team could be 4th best in the East if they play together.. And if the pacers and bulls match up again in the playoffs i wouldnt be surprised if they beat the bulls.. Dwest and RoyHibbert are matchup problems down low.. Their only problem is Danny Granger’s consistency…

  • Pais

    Indiana’s been a nice surprise so far this season. That being said I’d take a healthy Bulls team over the Pacers every time.

  • Kozeski

    Think indiana got good pieces. Paul george is just impressive. Think they got more talent than chicago.

  • Pais

    I think they matchup pretty well actually. Booz & Noah for your Hibbert/West tandem and Deng is capable of containing Granger, which leaves Indiana with a massive problem called Derrick Rose who tips the scales. Advantage Bulls.

  • bull22

    i said it last year that it would take the bulls 6 games to oust the pacers in the first round of the playoffs. they have a history together and if they meet again in the playoffs, it will be another hard-fought ugly series.
    i predicted the pacers would win 44 games this year in a 82 game season and so far they are on a good pace to get close to that.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    It’s definitely not Chicago/Miami, at least not from the Bulls’ perspective but historically Chicago/Indiana has always been a rivalry anyways.
    From the Michael Jordan days, to the days after the Bulls and Pacers had that Jalen Rose and Travis Best for Brad Miller, Ron Artest and whoever else trade to now.

  • Jer dawg

    Indiana is heartland for basketball. The Pacers have been average all these years and talks about rivalries are good for business. Why do most of these MMA fighters talk a good game, but once fight is over they are complimentary towards one another? Because to increase interest. Heck, if i was long sufferring Pacer fan I’d welcome this talk.

  • http://dsfjklf.com Jukai

    ““I know they’ve got a couple guys on their team who celebrate on every play. *COUGH JOAKIM NOAH COUGH*”

  • Youngindy21

    This is hands down the best rivalry in the NBA right now. ESPN needs to start airing these games. How can people say it is NOT a rivalry? Both teams are in the SAME division. The Chicago Bulls have only been good for 1 year not including the current season. Remember the Chicago Bulls were an 8th seed in 2010. The Indiana Pacers were an 8th seed in 2011. There was a little rivalry going on in the 90s. The Pacers were leading (score-wise) for most of the games in the playoffs until about the last minute of the 4th quarter. This a better rivalry than the LA rivalry because this rivalry is NOT inner city.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I enjoy the Bulls v Celtics (Rondo v Rose) rivalry more then anything else in the league right now. That or Heat v Bulls.

  • Riggs

    pacers? HA!

  • l2ising Phoenix

    Best rivalry, Clippers vs. lakers. Most heated games this season. Barnes calling Blake a flopper, Gasol patting cp3 on his head , entertaiment at its best!

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    I thought the best rivalries, at least in the East, were Celtics/Heat and Celtics/Bulls until the Heat and Bulls both started giving Boston beatdowns on the regular.
    So now I’d day Miami/Chicago.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg Allenp

    That was a good subliminal Voegel sent to Noah. Nice.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Don’t you have to meet in the playoffs a couple of times before anything gets labeled a rivalry?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Boozer also.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeLRym4Q-pg Allenp

    Does Boozer celebrate a lot, or just yell about everything. I haven’t decided yet.

  • robb

    rivalry? lol what rivalry?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    He does celebrate the sh*t out of every play Rose makes. Even Rose’s mama doesn’t celebrate like that.

  • Red

    Lol Pacers are just capitalizing from a shortened season, as are the 76ers. Once next season starts and they’re doing good ill give them the potential to even start a rivalry.

  • http://slamonline.com. datkid

    I guess I’ll consider this a historic rivalry bc of what enig said although the players on both teams aren’t necessarily rivals per se…and personally… I could see the pacers giving the bulls some REAL problems. That playoff series was ALWAYS extremely close in the 4th quarter, and Paul George did an excellent job containing D.rose. Meanwhile everybody else on their team matches up pretty well too.

  • add

    if anything i could see a bulls vs. heat thing goin on but, pacers? nah.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @datkid – George did a good job of containing Rose???? Rose averaged 28 points a game. Rose was the reason the Bulls won those games.
    As for Vogel himself, this guy really bugs me for some reason. I don’t like how he talks about that playoff series like they did something. You lost in 5, shut up and move on. Stop trying to ride the Bull’s coattails to pull your team into relevance. You don’t have the privilege of being good enough to be considered a rivals with a team contending for a championship. So take your collection of players that are good, but…..; and go back to being happy with regular season wins. And wipe that stupid smirk you constantly have off your face.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    I think Boozer yells and celebrates too much.
    Every foul to him is an “AND ONE!!!”
    I love Noah’s energy, but it does get a little old to see him yell “AHHH!” after every little good play he does.
    Rose and Deng rarely yell or celebrate after they make a big play but Boozer and Noah do enough yelling for all of them.
    I remember one time on here there was some cat who swore Rose yelled after every layup or dunk, and I was like nah man, that’s Boozer lol.

  • T-Ray

    I’d say the more exciting rivalry building up is Bulls/Heat but don’t sleep on the Pacers the series was much closer than it looked

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I think he was referencing Gibson too.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    I don’t like it. I’m an MMA fan too and I hate when nobody fighters call out the champ, or a fighter 10 spots above them…and use it as a quick way to get themselves some recognition. Just shut up, go about your business, and if you’re good, other people will do the talking for you. You don’t need to manufacture attention in order to be good.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Diesel – the Pacers really were smart for taking a page out of the Heat’s defensive playbook and putting George on Rose though because, while he didn’t bother him as much as Bron does, he did bother him.
    And even though they lost in 5, we can’t say we whipped their a**es and then turn around and say we had a competitive 5 game series against the Heat. We can’t have it both ways.
    Both series were competitive. I mean, in game 1 Chicago won by 5, in game 2 by 6, in game 3 by 4, in game 4 Indiana won by 5 and then in game 5 Chicago finally woke the f*ck up and beat them down by 27. So that’s a close, competitive series.
    Agreed on Vogel though. I don’t like his Jerry Seinfeld looking a** either. He just seems so cocky and full of himself.
    But you know what? His team feeds off of that, and as a result they play with more cockiness and um, full of themselves…ess.
    I think they’ll be a second round team this year. I really do. But then they’d have to meet either the Bulls or Heat in that second round, and I don’t care what anyone says, they’re not beating the Bulls or Heat in a seven game series.

  • Allenp

    The Bulls lost in five to the Heat. Does that mean they should shut up and move on?
    Nah, those games were very competitive and the better team won, but the games were good. Same thing is true for Indiana, and that was before they got David West and Paul George learned how to shoot straight.
    Remember, Psycho T was assaulting Boozer in that series. Imagine what West will do.

  • Nella

    @Diesel: I know what you mean on the coat tail riding. I was happy they played well for him after he got the job, but he needs to shut his mouth. Reminds me a little too much of these new era of ‘rah rah’ coaches, like Rex Ryan or Pete Carroll. Obviously not to that extreme, but needs to coach more and talk less, because its the players that actually get it done. Next time they beat the Heat or OKC he’ll be talking about a rivalry with them. “We really thought we had OKC in our 1 regular season match up last season, our guys wanted this…”

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And in boxing you have to manufacture interest on you get shafted on your split and gate receipts.
    And you can sometimes goad a fighter into giving you a shot instead of ducking you.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @nella – my thoughts exactly.
    @allenp – both the Bulls and Heat went into that series with about the same amount of hype and recognition. Coach Thibs wasn’t calling out hHeat players and talking about how the Bulls almost had the Heat. He shut up and went back to work figuring out how to beat the Heat. The Heat have lost to the Bucks during the regular season two years in a row now…should Scott Skiles be telling anyone that listens how they have the Heat’s number and he’s looking forward to the rivalry that’s going to exist for the next 10 years?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @Allen – I don’t like hype as a replacement for putting in the time. Build your reputation up, then go calling out good teams. The pacers have won 3 of the last 12 games vs the Bulls. Even that record out a little bit then go running your mouth.

  • Red

    Pacers are not a serious contender against the Bulls not even close.

  • Youngindy21

    A lot of the people on here saying the Indiana Pacers aren’t good haven’t even seen them play. They have Zero nationally televised games. So if you say you have seen them and they didn’t play your team then you are lying. They are currently 14-6. They have yet to lose two games in a row. They were a playoff team last year and that was w/o David West and a rookie Paul George. There is NO reason why they can’t beat Chicago Bulls in a playoff series. Just because ESPN isn’t shoving the Indiana Pacers down your throat like they do with Miami and Chicago doesn’t mean that the Indiana Pacers can’t beat the Chicago Bulls.

  • Red

    They can’t beat them, David West isn’t as good as everyone acts like he is and Paul is as consistent as it gets. They’re having a good season cause most teams in the East are older and get tired more easily that’s also why the Sixers are doing well.

  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    Youngindy has never heard of League Pass.

  • LA Huey

    “Two good, young, feisty teams that don’t like each other at all. What more could you ask for?”

  • Enrique

    Really? 1 win in the last 11 games constitutes a rivalry? Pacers suffer from and inferiority complex, much like the state of Indiana! Go Bullies!

  • Fletch213

    @Youngindy21 they had paul george last year but your analysis is correct I do think indiana is a good team.

  • Red


  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    David West is very good at scoring, particularly mid range shooting.
    HIs minutes and shot attempts are down, so his scoring has dropped. But, no team ignores David West on offense. Ever. That is a plus.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    lol @ AllenP at 11:37, he said a couple and i was trying to decipher who these others guy(s) were beside Noah because like you said, Boozer more so yells than celebrate.

  • Scottie Pimpin

    maybe im biased or whatever, but this coach is so damn annoying. bulls aint even looking at the pacers like that, till sthese Indy guys insist on making it personal for some reason,

    okay, you wanna piss off our MVP, you wanna get Joakim riled up (dude lives for the big stage)fine go ahead.

  • http://www.slamonline.com the_unknown

    Man, they can everything a rivalry nowadays in the NBA.

  • https://twitter.com/BeezKneezy LA Huey

    Reminds me a lot of the Wizards-Cavs “rivalry”

  • Noel

    Lol oh my god…..
    Frank Vogel is so arrogant,pompous, and annoying little lady dog.Take the win and run.Just stop talking.
    In my Southside voice “You don’t want that beef”
    If anything the Bulls vs Heat is the rivalry.(And they not even doing all that rivalry talking you doing)

    Lol there is nothing worse then having a rivalry with a team that doesnt acknowledge that it’s a rivalry.It just makes him look dumber then he looked when the pacer became a first round knock out at the hands of the bulls.

  • http://slam jay

    If it not a rivalry, why was crybaby rose winning

  • http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/index unf*ckwitable

    Nice shot by coach at Noah an them. I like Rose, Deng and of course the real Mamba but i dislike a lot of bulls players.

  • AL

    This year, the pacers are tough. Real tough.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Chicago773

    Wow, the Pacers and their fans are delusional – Rivalry? What rivalry are they seeing here? … There is a reason nobody is even talking about your sorry team of wanna-be stars. You’re ranked 28th in offense, so just be glad the Bulls were disinterested playing against your sorry team that day.

    @jay – Yes, crybaby Rose is winning. Now go back and sit in your corner.