Monday, February 6th, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  81 responses

Seattle Trying to Bring Back an NBA Team

by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

The city of Seattle has never recovered from losing their beloved Sonics in 2008. Since the team was highjacked and taken to Oklahoma City, there’s been scant talk about bringing a team back, but nothing truly substantive took root. Until now.

The Seattle Times unearthed revealing documents that show a serious effort to start up a new NBA team in the city, with plans to build a new stadium very soon:

A wealthy San Francisco hedge-fund manager and officials in the Seattle mayor’s office have been working behind the scenes for eight months to bring an NBA team back to the city as early as next fall and build a new arena, according to emails and documents that reveal a far more concerted effort than previously known. A Dec. 13 agenda for a meeting between the parties shows they were talking about details such as a “Review of Basic Deal Structure,” “Financing Issues,” including “City Debt Capacity,” and “Security for Public Financing.”

The documents, released Friday to The Seattle Times under a public-disclosure request, also provide the first glimpse of how the largely unknown hedge-fund manager, 44-year-old Seattle native Christopher Hansen, approached the city about his desire to buy an NBA team and build an arena south of Safeco Field. In an initial email laying out his vision, Hansen told city officials an arena could be built with minimal impact on taxpayers.

According to the published report, there’s talk of possibly relocating the Sacramento Kings to Seattle.

This is all obviously very early stages. But there are some encouraging signs here for passionate NBA fans in the Seattle area.

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  • http://www.laumol.nl/weblog Laumol

    Or how about the Seattle Hornets?

  • http://bloghoggers.blogspot.com bloghoggers

    (looks at Kings, Hornets, and Bobcats)

  • ao

    Seattle Clippers? Since Seattle is setting up, why not clippers settle themselves to that city instead of sharing LA with Lakers…

  • SactownKing

    Keep the Kings in Sacramento!

  • http://Slamonline.com Caboose

    When the Kings almost moved to Anaheim last year, I was defiant and still said they’d move to Seattle eventually. Let’s see if I end up looking really smart or really dumb.

  • Dhughes

    /yea keep the Kings in Sacremento please they have had good yeaars just not recent good years they’ll get back right in few years they hve a couple good players tht can get better.

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    The Seattle super mario’s would be a great name for their team.
    in the nintendo arena.Seattle make it happen.

  • http://caseyvaughn.com AlbertBarr

    Ugh. LEAVE OUR TEAM ALONE OTHER CITIES! Sacramento is keeping the Kings. Find another date.

  • http://kobebeefnba.com LDR4

    It would be disappointing if a team was relocated to Seattle because it is exactly what happened to them. Why disenfranchise yet another fanbase? A best case scenario would be an expansion team but that seems unlikely at this point. Seattle needs a team, that much is certain. Bring back the Sonics.

  • Downtownmbrown

    Uhhhhh jimmer in Seattle?!? YES

  • David Moore

    Even if they DO bring a franchise back to Seattle, there will be history behind it. The OKC Thunder has rights to all of the banners as well as the championship trophy.

  • http://robtibbs.tumblr.com Robert

    Chris Hansen: To Catch a NBA Frachise. (Have a seat.)

  • http://www.slamonline.com spit hot fiyah

    how about the thunder? make it happen stern

  • Brion

    Living in Seattle of course i am excited about this possibility BUT, I do not want to aguire another city’s team the way the Sonics were taken from us. Plus it took us a while of losing until we finally got Durant so it would be the same scenario til we aquired some talent.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Take the Hornets.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    If Seattle gets an NBA team back, they need to be called the Sonics..

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^They will be. The city kept the rights to the name “SuperSonics” and the jersey’s that are retired with the city. As for myself, so glad i’m moving, moving, back, back, to Seatte, Seattle!!

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Seattle is a great city, I live in SW Washington, therefor Im a Blazers fan, But always pulled for the Sonics (except for when they play Portland) :)

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Got ya. Interesting. Most Washintonians don’t like the Blazers, but I rarely was down south. I’ve always lived within 30 mins of Seattle while in Washington.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    I like how a bearded Luke Ridinour is holding the flag up on the right of picture. Good stuff.


    … also peep out George Karl on the left. Bring back the Sonics !!!

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    BossTerry was me at 1:28 to avoid confusion.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Not that it really matters, but 1:28 was not me..

  • shuref00t

    SuperSonics = one of the dopest NBA team names (maybe only second to the Bullets). Reminiscing of the Kemp/Payton/Schrempf days. Good times!

  • Ryan.T.

    Yes! It sucks that it’ll come at another cities expense though. I’ve been dying without a NBA team in Seattle. Even if I can’t make it to certain games, it’ll be nice hearing Kevin Colabro while watching on TV. And today the OKC Thunder play in Portland, so it’s “Turn the Rose Garden Green & Gold” in honor of our beloved Supersonics.

  • RunNGun

    The Hornets franchise makes the most sense to move if Seattle is getting a team back. Seattle is a bigger market (13th overall–then goes Phoenix (14.1), Tampa(14.2), Minneapolis-Saint Paul (15th), and Miami (16th) respectively) compared to NOLA (52nd overall).

    Source: http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corporate/us/en/public%20factsheets/tv/nielsen-2012-local-DMA-TV-penetration.pdf

  • 206hoopsfan

    As a lifelong Sonics fan I’d like to say that taking someone else’s team is NOT what we wanted to do. However, the NBA set that prescedent when they pushed our team into Oklahoma, and since they’re not willing to expand, the only way is to take someone else’s team. I hate to say that, because I know what it’s like to have a team ripped away, but at the end of the day I just miss having a pro hoops team and want it back in my city.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com TADOne

    I will be the one voice against this. If they would have supported the team more before they never would have left. And where was this guy at when they needed the new stadium built years ago?

  • Ryan.T.
  • http://nyill.wordpress.com Enigmatic

    LakeShow gon’ have an aneurysm if he reads TADOne’s comment.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    the real crime is the Thunder took an MVP caliber player away from Seattle (along with the team of course), and Seattle now could have a championship caliber team. that’s why no matter what durant/westbrook do, i’ll ALWAYS root against them. i know it’s not them, but it’s a matter of principle.
    fcuk clay bennett.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    TADOne… BS… It wasn’t about support. Sonics blood runs deep in the PNW. There is a passionate fan base that is similar to that of the Golden State Warriors, Blazers, and Jazz. The team was stinking it up the last couple of years before they left and that’s when team attendance went down. Not because we didn’t like our Sonics anymore, but because we weren’t going to support a businessman from OKC coming in and jacking our team, but trying to make a last few bucks off us before they yanked them. The Sonics always had great attendance when they were making noise. Management wasn’t very good and the team was taking a dive downward when they lost Rashard Lewis, and none of the ten 7′ footers they drafted making any progress, let alone panning out to be decent. Sonics are one of the greatest franchises not named Lakers, Celtics, and the tradition will continue once they get a team back.

  • http://dodgers.com Joey E.

    i hate watching OKC. should be the Sonics

  • Kieran in Dallas

    Well said Lake Show. The Sonics were sold to Bennett and he moved them to OKC. That’s why they moved. It wasn’t about fan support and it usually NEVER is when teams relocate. Bennett gutted the team, alienated the fan base, lied through his teeth and asked for the impossible. A $500 million new arena to be payed 100% by taxpayers and it had to be approved in a year. No money out of his pocket. The NBA offered ZERO help. None. You think any city would’ve said “SURE!!!, here’s some money?” Hell no!! OKC Wouldn’t do that that’s why the approved a whopping $120 million dollar renovation, but ironically a $300 million dollar renovation wasn’t good enough in Seattle?? Really? Of course not BECAUSE HE WANTED TO MOVE THE TEAM. Period. Do you think the NBA trying to help Sacramento and New Orleans get deals done is by coincidence? Nope, it’s because they looked like idiots letting Bennett hyjack Seattle and doing NOTHING to stop it. They won’t let anyone do that again. If the Kings can’t get an arena deal done they will leave and it WON’T BE THE FANS FAULT. I miss the Sonics, but the NBA is not expanding. They set the precedence to take someone else’s team and the game of musical chairs will continue.

    Thank you NBA, where “amazing” used to happen.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    yeah, Lakeshow is right, Seattle is the only city in NBA history to lose a team for a reason other then a lack of fan support. Which is why it is the only City I support getting a second chance at an NBA franchise. I feel Charlotte & New Orleans never should have received teams after the first failures.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Shout out @nbk for the rare support.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com TADOne

    LakeShow: I will agree and disagree with you. I agree that the Sonics have great history and at one point were one of the most respected franchises in the L. But I ask you…how come no local business man or woman stepped up when the franchise was on a downturn? Where was this guy that was mentioned in the article when they needed him and a new arena? The franchise and the fans allowed an out of state financier step up and purchase the team. If he didn’t see a profit being made and wanted to move the team to his hometown then that was his right. Not saying I agreed with it but someone local should have stepped up at the time.

  • Kieran in Dallas


    Shultz had LOCAL BUYERS to sell to. He HAD offers from local investors but CHOSE to sell to Clay Bennett. Period. It’s amazing what people do not know about what REALLY happened.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Owners don’t build arenas TAD. Tax payers do. And the City couldn’t find a location and/or enough dollars to build a new arena. Clay Bennet bought the Sonics promising he would not move the team. Basically once he found out he couldn’t get a new arena, he moved the team.. No local business owner could do anything about it.

  • golakeshow

    whoop. I live in vancouver so I can go see kobe destroy the new team!

  • Kieran in Dallas


    Howard Shultz had multiple offers from LOCAL INVESTORS and chose to sell to Clay Bennett. Period. There were people stepping up to help, but Shultz sold out to spite the city.

    Bennett asked for the impossible. If Mark Cuban fresh off of a championship asked the city of Dallas to fund a new arena to replace the AAC with 100% tax dollars the city would tell him to f*ck off too.

    When OKC asks for a new arena and they will need one soon, Bennett will ask for what? A check for $400 million and nothing from his pocket? Won’t happen.

  • Kieran in Dallas

    Well said Lake Show. The Sonics were sold to Bennett and he moved them to OKC. That’s why they moved. It wasn’t about fan support and it usually NEVER is when teams relocate. Bennett gutted the team, alienated the fan base, lied through his teeth and asked for the impossible. A $500 million new arena to be payed 100% by taxpayers and it had to be approved in a year. No money out of his pocket. The NBA offered ZERO help. None. You think any city would’ve said “SURE!!!, here’s some money?” Hell no!! OKC Wouldn’t do that that’s why the approved a whopping $120 million dollar renovation, but ironically a $300 million dollar renovation wasn’t good enough in Seattle?? Really? Of course not BECAUSE HE WANTED TO MOVE THE TEAM. Period. Do you think the NBA trying to help Sacramento and New Orleans get deals done is by coincidence? Nope, it’s because they looked like idiots letting Bennett hyjack Seattle and doing NOTHING to stop it. They won’t let anyone do that again. If the Kings can’t get an arena deal done they will leave and it WON’T BE THE FANS FAULT. I miss the Sonics, but the NBA is not expanding. They set the precedence to take someone else’s team and the game of musical chairs will continue. Thank you NBA, where “amazing” used to happen.

  • wet

    If a team comes there, the city of seatle was allowed to reserve the rights to Seatle SuperSonics. Which is why OKC are called the Thunder.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com TADOne

    Nbk: sorry, that is not correct. Plenty of owners in professional sports have built their own arenas. Most just prefer not to have to foot the bill. And im completely of the whole Clay Bennett situation. But the only reason he got involved in the first place is because no one locally would step up. Clay Bennett is an ass for doing what he did but he is only doing what businessman have done thru out history. The Maloofs in Sacramento are no different.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com TADOne

    And let me clarify: I think having a team in Seattle would be a great thing to have. I’m just wondering where all this support system was before the team was moved?

  • LA Huey

    TADOne, you need to do your research because it did not go down the way you think. Click my name for the full story.
    Also, I live in the Seattle area but I wouldn’t want a team if we’re hijacking that of another great fanbase (not even OKC’s). The “Hornets” franchise could stand to be moved though.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    As far as it has been explained to me, some owners purchase their arenas, but none actually foot the building costs. That is always performed by the city. Then the Owner buys the stadium as a whole, if they have that option.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    The economy just started to take a turn for the worse at that time. Everyone was unsure of the financial situation going forward. You don’t make money as an NBA owner so it’s not exactly an incredibly enticing gig. The tax situation and the lease situation with Key Arena were both terrible. They wanted half tax dollars which was not within WA State budget at all. Governor Christine Gregoire doesn’t like basketball and pretty much stopped any possible progress from going forward. (While she proceeded to allot illegal citizens with college grants and scholarships to Universities on tax payers dime in addition to 1% required art funds for every public building venture, including recycled water reservoirs ) Then Mayor, Greg Nickels also had no strings attached to the NBA organization either providing no positive leadership from within the local political spectrum. Mike McGinn the current Mayor is a much larger proponent and he will be a positive voice. It’s not everything it seems to have cracked up to be a NBA owner these days so I’m surprised there was no one that wanted in on a failing business venture.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com TADOne

    Thanks for the synopsis guys. Great breakdown LakeShow. I thought things were bad when Karen Davidson was trying to sell the Pistons. At least the Pistons franchise has the backing of the local government.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    You da man TADOne.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com TADOne

    And LA Huey…your name was not highlighted for me to click

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I could care less if the Hornets leave for Seattle because I haven’t even been to a hornets game for me to miss anything.

  • http://www.hearwithmyear.tumblr.com yayanbautista

    TADone, the truth of it is, it all came down to timing, craftiness, and the failure of man AKA howard shultz. because the sups had such a long history, i know that there is an ebb and flow. there is no team that is going to just stay good. it takes rebuilding after a team is dismantled or are no longer winning the way that they did. during those years, is when there is always going to be a slump in attendance, this can’t be avoided…no matter how loyal a fan base is, no one wants to see a losing team. howard shultz was frustrated and in that moment he decides to sell to an oklahoma business man…please keep in mind we had no power over who he decided to sell to. on top of that, bennett was crafty…he made promises to do everything he could to keep the team here, even though him and stern had been talking about relocating a team to okc behind everyone’s back. bennett was crafty enough to really dismantle the team in those last years when we drafted durant and westbrook…he knew as good as they were, rookies were not going to make a winning team at that moment, he dismantled the team to make us look even worse in our last years in hopes of justifying a premeditated move to okc.

    as for the arena…its hard for me to say this as a die hard sports fan, but when you come from a real city, with real issues, you start to realize that sometimes, life is bigger than throwing a ball around. the city of seattle had just built new state of the art stadiums for the seahawks/sounders and the mariners. all of that was on the backs of tax payers. Bennett wanted to have nothing to do with funding a new arena for his new team because he already had one planned out in okc so again, we as seattlites were faced with the hard decision of funding a new arena, or worrying about our burgeoning public school populations or expanding our public transportation to serve the needs of this rapidly growing community…can you blame us for saying no to a wealthy business man who wants you to pay for his arena so he can charge you 12 dollars for a hotdog. its always going to look like okc wants a team more…and thats because there is literally nothing going on over there except for raising livestock. we over here, simply have more to factor in and that’s why we weren’t able to come up with an arena solution in the one-two year window that bennett (supposedly) gave us.

    it hurts me to see that the kings are first up on the chopping block…it seems so hypocritical of us to be taking another team in the same fashion, just more up front and without all of the stern-bennett shadiness. i would rather have the hornets because it seems like they don’t need that team as bad as sac fans need the kings. again, blame stern for setting this precedent. this whole situation has been bitter-bitter-sweet. i’m glad durant is getting to shine, he deserves it, i just wish it was in green and gold. i want a team so bad so my kids can go to games with me like i did with my parents, but not at the cost of a loyal fan base losing that right in sac town. whatever happens, i hope it’s the best possible situation for everyone…stern and bennett owe that to everyone for all the shenanigans they’ve pulled on us out here.

    and if anyone ever questions the support of super sonics fans, they’ve obviously never had their ears blown out at key arena…people should really think about what they know and have experienced before making judgements…just saying, the world isn’t black and white people.


  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    I don’t think most owners want to build their own arenas in any sport. The one I can think of off hte top of my head who did it is Jerry Jones. Anybody know another one?
    But, to be clear, I think if an owner wants to move his team, he should move it. It’s his team. How are you going to tell a businessman where he has to operate his business? Fans don’t own teams, that’s a delusion they’ve allowed themselves to be sucked into.
    Technically there is nothing wrong with moving a team. Once fans realize that option is on the table, it should temper their commitment to a private business.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Also, the people in washington were smart not to buckle and build the Sonics a new stadium and it seems a tad ludicrous to compare building a stadium to financing scholarships for illegal immigrant college students and figure that the stadium should win.
    On one hand you have a proposal that will allow illegal immigrants to earn merit based rewards for working hard in school, immigrants who are likely in the country after being brought here as children.
    On the other hand you provide a multi-millionaire with a tax write off so he can overcharge for the benefit of watching grown men play a game in a building you own.
    Hmmmm…. tough choice there.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLAT9x0pjUc&feature=related nbk

    Jerry Jones is the only owner I can think of too. But he didn’t even foot the whole bill, from Wikipedia, “To aid Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city’s sales tax by 0.5 percent, the hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. The City of Arlington provided over $325 million (including interest) in bonds as funding,[13][14] and Jones covered any cost overruns”

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Look at all the money on a building to watch people play a game!
    Effing ridiculous.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLAT9x0pjUc&feature=related nbk

    yeah it’s pretty absurd.

  • http://caseyvaughn.com AlbertBarr

    Just to add to the conversation: In Sacramento the city and the other parties trying to keep the Kings have framed the new “arena” as more than just a place to throw around a ball. It is an entertainment complex that will be built in the heart of downtown where currently there is nothing. It will bring in so much more than just the continuance of the Kings as our BBall franchise. So, in the case of here we stay, it isn’t just “let’s get the money to build a bball arena” its “lets build a modern entertainment complex for our top 20 TV market city that can allow us to compete for all of the big time acts, conferences, sports and events a modern city should strive to participate in”. I have been light on the details recently but the arena issue seems to be moving forward in a positive direction in SAC. I didn’t know we were back to chopping block status for the Seattle Vultures to prey upon.

  • http://caseyvaughn.com AlbertBarr

    Oooo, if Seattle does poach our team that should be their new name “The Seattle Vulture’s”

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/01/post-up-23/ Allenp

    Most of these teams and stadiums are like status symbols for cities. They mean a particular city has “arrived” and it’s a major player. That’s why New Orleans wants to keep the Hornets so bad because they don’t want to be known as a city that can’t support to professional teams economically even though that’s exactly what the city is. It’s funny.

  • Ryan.T.

    For anybody with questions about the relocation of the Sonics. It’s a long movie, but great @ the same time: http://youtu.be/s9Dp20ydm1E

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    NO needs to get their priorities straigt.

  • LA Huey

    My bad, TADOne. I was trying to link the sonicsgate website. Probably the same thing Ryan just linked.

  • http://anyoldthing Ugh

    A 44 year old unknown hedge fund manager buying a sports team and moving it to Seattle? He should buy and the Pistons and call the stadium the GFC Arena.
    Seriously, this has disaster written all over it.

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    i would obviously rather have a Vancouver team but Seattle definatley deserves one just as much, i really wish the best because i once had a team RIPped away from me too… but ironically Sac town is growing on me… hornets should flirt with the idea of a new yellow and green jersey

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCbDnPDBff4 LakeShow

    Don’t mean to be a d*ck, VanCity, but I think Seattle “deserves” one more-so. They have a championship, retired jerseys of legends in the sport, a history of winning, and is in a slightly larger market with more basketball prospects coming out of the area than most. I’m probably just being a d*ck though. Sorry…

  • Kieran in Dallas


    This “unknown” hedge fund manager is building the arena. Other investors is buying the team(s). Know your facts.

  • Kieran in Dallas

    The money Sac is talking about using is the parking revune currently being use to pay for police salaries, fireman salaries and other city workers pay and other things. Do you really think Sac will approve this and mortage it’s future without a plan to replace the revenue source. I don’t know.

    I want the Sonics back, but would rather see Sac stay and NO come to Seattle.

  • burnt_chicken

    This thread is awesome. I learned A LOT about the Sonics, and have some thoughtful musings on the amount of money dumped into stadiums/arenas to mull over. Thanks, guys. PS, as a CLEVELAND BROWNS fan, yeah, I get it…

  • http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=pawtucketymca Gametimeweezy

    No Seattle Supersonics is a travesty. It was when it happened and still is…

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    ^lakeshow i see/ respect where u are coming from but its not like Van. didnt have potential… the manager sucked at the time and if u think about it we were only 1 draft off from Tim Duncan plus it was during a crap time economically… and everything u said up there is stuff that Vancouver never even had a chance to accomplish- we had shareef adur blah blah, a YOUNG mike Bibby and a big guy in bryant reeves.as far as a “winning record” factor do u think the clippers would have been a thought to relocation if Blake never joined the scene? but we will never know UNTIL the day hopefully we can both get our way (although seattle more likely than VAN) :( and this city is def. ready for a team, i work at footlocker and we sold every single vancouver grizzly snapback in 2hrs or so, we had to order more and we had to hold some for customers as well. WE ARE READY but the city is too afraid to admit it…

  • kantankruz

    Stern will pay back Seattle, this is how he does it:

    1. Chris Paul Trade with New Orleans
    2. Hornets obtain extra draft pick (TWolves)
    3. Hornets Suck
    4. Hornets win lottery
    5. Hornets Have Pick 1 & 3 in the stacked 2012 draft.
    6. Hornets get Anthony Davis and say Harrison Barnes (example).
    7. Horents resign Eric Gordon
    8. Seattle build new arena
    9. NBA gives Seattle the Hornets
    10. City of Seattle forgives and forgets
    11. Seattle loves David Stern
    12. Sonicsgate guys make another brilliant doco.
    13. Sonics and Thunder build THE BEST rivalry in ALL OF SPORTS!

  • kantankruz

    I must also add, Seattle was screwed by just about everybody else as well as Clay Bennett. Shultz, Seattle’s Mayor etc etc!

  • http://dodgers.com Joey E.

    you guys see the blazers/okc game? sonics fans behind the okc bench. it looked like the fans in the pic because they had sonics flags. they were cheering for the blazers

  • Justin G.

    Vancouver got just as ripped off as Seattle did. While Seattle does have history and all that, Vancouver was never really given the chance to try and create some of their own. Hell, right from the start the NBA insisted the franchise needed to have 12500 season tickets sold even though Minnesota and Orlando had trouble just getting 10000. Neither Toronto or Vancouver was allowed to have a top 5 pick in their first year and they weren’t allowed to have the first pick in their next three years either. They weren’t even allowed to spend their full salary cap amount in the first two years either. What the hell kind of expansion rules are those? Bring in Michael Heisley who said he would buy the team with no plans to relocate and the first thing he does upon completion of the sale is look for a new city to move them to. Throw in the weak Canadian dollar and the lockout which alienated a lot of fans and this team had no chance. Six years is not long enough for an expansion team to show whether it can be successful or not and even David Stern has said his two biggest regrets during his time as Commissioner have been what happened to Seattle and Vancouver.

  • JP7

    if seattle gets a team they need to get gary payton to coach and sign jamal crawford, that would please the fan base. vancity dont need no team, even tdot dont need no team, why jus to watch all the good teams blow em out and try compete with the other wack teams. vancouver failed and toronto wont stop failing, nobody wants to live there its too cold, thats why america sopped where they stopped and sold em that cold ass land for the cheap cheap lol ever since vince cater, when was the last time the raptors had a dude thatll cross you up, dunk all crazy and do filthy moves? guy, andrea and calderon, really? no guy. if ur a losing team you gotta at least have swagg, like the wizards maybe who jus beat the raps and had wayyyy more highlights. the raps cant afford swagg lol seatac wuddup tho lets make this happen

  • Justin G.

    Wow, JP7 is making a play for biggest fool on this site. The Seed, you have competition! Too cold? I guess Minnesota, Cleveland, New York, to name but a few are a vacationer’s dream this time of year huh? Vancouver gets maybe a few snow days a year (I live in Victoria so I know), mostly rain but today was sunny and 9 degrees. Not exactly “too cold” to have a basketball team. After Vince Carter, you may remember Chris Bosh putting the team on his back and getting them to the playoffs in back to back years with, admittedly, a very poor team around him. Losing teams don’t have swag because they’re LOSING! You look like an idiot if you walk in like you’re all that and haven’t even won 5 games yet. Yes, Washington paid back the Raps for their blowout loss to those same Raptors (still without Bargnani) a few nights ago. Way to go

  • JP7

    look i live in cnanda, i love the raptors, i honestly do, theyre all we got, but they suck, always and forever.they dont even look like an nba team, its like a gimic, oh lets give canada a team yo we’ll hella fans lol theyre faulty from top to bottom. andrea bargain-yani is an outside shooting 7 footer wit no d, hes no dirk and lightning duznt stike twice. calderon consitently gets burned by strong, quick, swagged out young black men. derozen got decent dunks but no handle or j. bayless is like a slow learner or sumn, barbosa is consistently inconsistent, like i dunno man, im tired of the raps breakin my heart, and this thread is posed to be bout seattle so you know the raps suck if we jump from seatac to downtown vancity and end talkin bout the raptoronis, brian colangelo needs to leave town asap

  • JP7

    james johnson is skinny fat, amir johnson is slow in the head, jamal maglore airballs freethrows on the regular, anthony carter is 47+ some odd yrs old, rasul butler has never made a jumpshot, like im choked guy, im harsh choked. the only guy whos a solid dude is linas kleiza, hes good to go.

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    smh… except at u Justin G i agree, i live in vancouver exactly so i know its 1: not “too cold” for a team what kind of excuse is that? 2: a true fan stays behind their team good or bad, so ok the Raptors (for example) are not the Miami heat or apperently even washington, but as a fan i will stick behind them thru the ups and downs… and u dont think shareef adur raheem didnt have potential for the Vancouver Grizzley organization? and james johnson is a solid defensive player, ed davis can be like a marcus camby in the future, and imagine the team when they get AndreaB back AND a centre in Jonas Valenchunas… smh