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Monday, April 23rd, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  249 responses

James Harden Has a Concussion from Metta World Peace’s Elbow


by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

Metta World Peace’s elbow to the head of James Harden yesterday afternoon, resulted in a concussion for the OKC Thunder’s star forward.

At the moment, there’s no telling when Harden will return to the court. The leading candidate for the NBA’s Sixth Man Award this season must first pass a battery of tests, under the League’s newly-instituted concussion policy.

Reports the Oklahoman:

Once he’s considered free of concussion symptoms, Harden must make it through increasing stages of exertion — from riding a stationary bike, to jogging, to agility work, to individual basketball skills — while ensuring the symptoms don’t return after each stage. If Harden passes each test the team then has to consult with Dr. Jeffrey Kutcher, the director of the NBA’s concussion program, to determine when Harden can return.

A team spokesman said Harden passed league-mandated testing at halftime, and Harden originally was set to return to the game. But the team’s medical staff prevented Harden from returning because of concern with his condition, the spokesman said. Harden later was diagnosed with a concussion. He was not made available to the media following the game and was unresponsive to multiple attempts to gauge his health when seen outside of the locker room. Harden did fly back to Oklahoma City with the team. But concussions can be puzzling, making the timeline for Harden’s return a mystery to all.

Players and coaches on both the Lakers and Thunder (and others watching it on TV) were critical of the vicious elbow, and Metta World Peace did issue an apology to James Harden, calling the incident “unintentional.”

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Dagger

    Hope he’s okay. This could doom the Thunder’s title chances . . . and perhaps LA’s as well. Wow.

  • Kobester

    Idiot.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance21

    Did they not show the replay in the Staples Center, because Mike Brown is a real idiot to say he didn’t see what happened if it was replayed.

  • da real

    elbow was raw, but it looked like they kept him out purposely so It could be worse for Metta. how you gonna give the guy a multiple game suspencion if the player he hit came back in 20 minutes? overall classic game though

  • http://zogs.ca zogs

    james harden is a little BlTCH

  • FnF

    @Dfrance21, the infraction was against the Lakers, so they did not show the replay.

  • call me li

    @da real

    I was thinking the same thing when I watched it. Although it is true “concussions can be puzzling” (been studying to be an athletic trainer for a few years now) if the Thunder bench was sharp they could see how playing up the injury is potential great for them terrible for the Lakers.

    just a thought though…

  • Rob

    @da real – That’s a ridiculous comment. There’s no way that OKC kept one of their best players out (especially when they’re fighting for Home court advantage) in an attempt to sway the results of the punishment. People should be punished based on the infraction, not the outcome. And the reason MWP should get a multi game suspension is because he’s clearly psycho and nothing has changed since he was involved in the Malice in the Palace. Did you see the way he was ready to throw down with Ibaka? I would get rid of him for at least the rest of this season including playoffs and probably into the next as well.

  • Pais

    It’s insulting and childish the way MWP is clinging to his statement of this being unintentional, not mention it completely undermines his apology. You F’d up big time Ron, all the progress you’ve made over the years just vanished in an instant and considering the Lakers lack of depth, you’ve hurt your teams already slim chances of winning another championship.

  • 130623

    I’d ban artest until next season at least, this could have been a whole lot worse! If that’s possible, artest is a C*NT

  • Pais

    It’s ridiculous to suggest that OKC would sit the best scoring sixth man in the league in order to ensure MWP receives a harsher penalty. Harden is far more valuable to his team than MWP is to the Lakers.

  • Detroit Dave

    I fucc w Metta…but sm(hate), dis was cheap as sum mad dog 20/20…

  • Michelle

    @ da real, thats easy Kevin love got 2 games suspension for stomping on someones face who continued the game. This elbow is easily double the suspension doesnt matter if Harden returned or not.

  • abaci

    What a bush league move. Totally intentional and cheap. I wish Ibaka would have eaten MWP’s heart.

  • http://www.borntocompete.com Money$hot

    MWP is a bitch never seen him fight a dude straight up, just likes to throw cheap shots, when Ben Wallace went at him MWP decides to go at some fan

  • KBthaKilla

    I think the moral of this story is: The Lakers can only beat the Thunder if they start handing out concussions to high scorers.

  • Sparker

    look, anyone who doesn’t see that ron (sorry, can’t call him world peace anymore) is likely gone for the season doesn’t understand that the nba is an entertainment product that needs to project a respectable image. and although the elbow may be no worse than many of the very bad ones that are thrown in the course of the season, that camera angle will be the undoing of him. seeing him, in close up, over and over, snarling like a circus freak as he unloads on harden… that’s just some thug sh*t. and i’ll be amazed if stu and dave don’t send him packing.

  • Pais

    Harden moved in his path and puts up his arms to to initiate contact and perhaps take out a little bit of steam out of MWP’s celebration, and receives a disgusting, completely unjustified & unwarranted blow to the head. As someone else pointed out, I doubt MWP new what he was doing, while completely juiced on adrenalin and a good dose of irrational crazy, he was just reacting with violence in a sort of primitive unspecific way that ended up being what we all saw. Hope Harden will be ok, cause it could’ve been much worse and still has the potential to affect him long term.

  • Ali

    Give him a few games (suspension), and lets keep it moving… It was an elbow, not a punch, kick, mid-air undercut, mid-air push, mid-air closeline, etc. Neither guy was looking at one another, Yes Ron has a history, we all know that, he let his emotions get the best of him after a nice play, Harden was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I’ve seen worse on a NBA court, did any of ya’ll watch the NBA in the 80′s and 90′s! C’mon Son! Somebody call Vernon Maxwell or where’s Anthony Mason, Hahaha

  • Pais

    When assessing the punishment you have to take into account the players history. Main purpose of a punishment is to deter the action or a similar action from happening again. If a person is a repeat offender then you can safely assume that the punishment the first time round wasn’t strong enough and therefore ought to be more severe this time round. The goal is to prevent this from happening again. But you gotta think at this point that it’s quite possible that there’s no punishment that can completely eliminate the possibility of MWP doing something like this again, and considering that and the fact that this incident was potentially fatal it’s worth discussing as to whether MWP ought to be allowed to play again ever.

  • http://slamonline.com raylan

    it doesn’t matter if harden talk trash or bump artest. it will never justify the stupid action artest did. he should be suspended for the rest of the season.

  • Pais

    @Ali – yes I watched ball in the 80′s & 90′s…not sure what that has to do with anything. This occurred with the ball out of bounds. It wasn’t an ongoing altercation and there wasn’t anything the could really be called provocation. This incident would be considered serious in any sport, in any era.

  • TP

    Artest is an idiot. Yeah, I called him Artest.

  • Heals

    @da real and call me li, ya’ll are crazy or rocking purple and gold tinted shades to ven remotely believe that. 5 games minimum and 1 reality check for ChrisBroussard – “I don’t know if it was intentional though,” get outta here with that shht. And on national TV to be that clueless, yikes, stick to covering trades my man…

  • Adevarul

    Metta World Thug: “I got real emotional and excited, and it was unfortunate that James had to get hit with the *cough* unintentional elbow,” said World Thug, who had scored 12 points and played solid defense on Durant. “I hope he’s OK. *cough* Oklahoma, they’re playing for a championship this year. I apologize to the Thunder and James Harden. It was just unfortunate (that there’s instant reply) *cough*.”

  • reggie06

    TP
    your an asshole, yeah i called you an asshole you gotta e an idiot to blame everything on metta, get back in corner

  • Frizzle D

    I am an L.A. native and huge Lakers fan, but if Artest is banned from the NBA for life and does prison time it won’t get any protests from me. I feel sorry for him, his name is mud all over again and he clearly needs help. “Metta World Elbow Crush Yo HEAD, B*TCH!!! Ahhhhhh!!! AHHHHHHH!!!!! Peace.”

  • Geoff

    Artest is a damn fool. He deserves to be out until the beginning of next season. This wasn’t even a basketball play. An elbow delivers more force than a punch most times, so whoever tried to downplay it because it was an elbow and not a punch is plain stupid. The elbow delivers more concentrated impact at a more specific spot than a punch can, making it really dangerous.

  • HAMMER

    It doesn’t matter what decade we are in. A vicious elbow is a vicious elbow. Remember “The Mailman’s” elbows to Isiah Thomas and David Robinson? Those were indeed vicious and he did get suspended for them.
    Ron should at least be suspended for the remainder of the season. Total cheap shot.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I wonder if Trina will nurse him back to health.

  • http://slamonline.com jumpman22

    ask this: what would the punishment be, legally, if a fan in that game elbowed an other fan the same way MWP did to Harden? What MWP did was beyond basketball.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Ron’s crazy, and there is absolutely no justification for this. It’s like he has “do ignorant thug sh!t” turrets syndrome sometimes. That being said, dude has done a lot in the community over the past several years and really seems like he’s worked on himself a lot as a person. Hopefully the Commissioner is fair with his punishment and suspends him for 2 games (same punishment Kevin Love got for stomping a dude’s head on purpose) or suspends him for the same number of games that James Harden has to sit out. I think those are both reasonable and fair punishments.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    They should fine the sh!t out of him too. Like, $75,000 to $100,000. With a threat of season long suspension next year if something like that happens in the playoffs.

  • reggie06

    Brad, are you serious? another metta hater, harden try to provoke technical foul on artest for pushin but instead he elbowed him in head/neck which metta did not wanted to do but like he sad it looks worse than it actually was

  • FnF

    The league is in a tough spot. 1)They’ve never seen a player celebrate a dunk by throwing neck high elbows. Had Harden not been there, I’d like to see the rest of that celebration. Was MWP about to teach us how to dougie? 2) Will Jon Barry be fined for making a valid point on live TV? “The rest of the season means nothing, they play Sacramento. Nobody gives a ship.”[especially the Honey Badger and the Maloofs] 3) The first game of the suspension doesn’t actually count (unpaid vacation for MWP). They reduced Bynum’s suspension because of the lockout so how harsh can they be? Don’t lie, have you ever been so amped up that you wanted to punch the snot out of the next person you saw? 3 games would be enough, 4 is perfect, 5 would be absurd.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    reggie06:So what your saying is that if a player provokes another player by bumping into him that some how justifies the other player to skullfu(k him with his elbow. I’m not even saying that Ron purposely aimed for the dude’shead, but he did intentionally throw an elbow. He has to get some kind of suspension and I don’t think what I suggested earlier is unreasonable at all.

  • What

    Abaci, Ron has 60lbs on Ibaka. Only when your seeing Ron play in person do you understand that he is wider and stronger than any center in the league, but unfortunatly he is literally the dumbest individual playing today. TWO THUMBS DOWN, metta world war

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Maybe Ron thought James Harden was Rick Ross on crack, and he was trying to settle a rap beef. Is Tru Warrior down with Maybach Music? Or are they rivals? Guess we’ll have to wait until the next mixtape drops.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    OKC should really milk the injury because I think the worse the injury, the longer Artest will be suspended by the League. They could have him suspended for the entire playoffs depending on the severity of the injury and that will help OKC in the 2nd round.

  • reggie06

    Brad
    what you said is just too much man, think about it would be more realistic what FnF said

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Artest doesn’t have 60 pounds on Ibaka, where do people get their info nowadays? Given the kind of sh*t Ibaka has seen and been through back in Africa, I would take him in a brawl.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    reggie06:I believe FnF was attempting something called “sarcasm”. Google it.

  • Rocky

    MWP should be suspended indefinitely until Harden is completely well from this INTENTIONAL blow and well enough to be back in the game. Artest really blew it – what a self-centered SOB

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Artest vs. Ibaka would be an amazing undercard for the Bones vs. Henderson fight. I can’t even call that one.

  • bike

    The guy is and always will be a cocked pistol. It could be argued that he should have been banned for life after the Palace incident. I won’t blame Stern one bit if he throws the book at him. Ban him for the rest of the season.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    reach + strength + african bloodline = total annihilation of ron artest

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/ Paul H

    I honestly cannot believe that anyone could look at the sheer ferocity with which Artest swung that elbow and still maintain that It was unintentional. Boggles the mind. I know most are not but to the few making that argument: Please put down the pipe. Wheres Lakeshow on all this?

  • Ali

    @ Paris, I just think people are putting a little much on this. What I seen was Ron acting out after a nice play, Harden was in his space, I think anyone standing there would have caught something, that goes for Lakers players too. Was Ron looking at Harden directly as he threw his bow? Not that I could see. How many players have we seen throw bows after making shot under the bucket, to keep guys off them. It’s all in the flow of the game. Ron didn’t stop, turn and then throw his bow, was overly excited, yes. Ya’ll need to cut it out. It looked worse than what it was. It was not intentional.

  • FnF

    Other things to consider, if the NBA tries to also pin MWP with trying to fight with Ibaka, then Ibaka would also need some suspension for chasing down MWP. If MWP gets 4 games, Ibaka should at least get 2 for attempting to escalate the issue. Those 2 games would be in the regular season but at least those games will be meaningful. Food for Thought: Why was Harden even near Artest to being with?

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/ Paul H

    @Ali honestly you have to be a Laker fan, right? So Artest threw and UNINTENTIONAL elbow that clean flattened a guy 40 pounds lighter than him and just DIDN’T NOTICE? He never reacted. He just kept on acting like the moron he clearly Is.

  • Top$helf

    Dumbasses keep saying it was an elbow not a punch damn idiots an elbow can do just as much damage they don’t allow elbows to the back of the head in the UFC

  • angus

    why is mwp still playing in the league?

  • da real

    @ rob, pais, michelle, heals – how does the player get all the way to the court WITHOUT his warmup on, ready to play, to then be turned around. looked totally staged and the tv cams caught it. MWP deserves 2-3 games at most. FYI, not a Laker fan at all, haha

  • BR Chunn

    I am so disappointed that Meta World Peace caused injury to Mr. Harden. I could not believe it when I saw that poor demonstration of poor sportsmanship. The game was tremendous because Mr. Harden and the Oklahoma Thunders played with all their hearts and soul….I told people about them over a year ago to watch for them because they give a game “their all” and “they are in it to WIN”….as a Mother, Grandmother, and Great Grandmother, my family know that I love basketball!!! I wish Mr. Harden a speedy recovery and God heal him quickly so he can return to the game. Thunders don’t give up and keep playing like you been playing…don’t let this deter you and please do not retaliate and be a good example for all those who watch you and believe in you. In my book, you guys still won the game

  • 23

    Da real, so basically you wanted harden to play through a concussion in order to save artests behind?!!! You must have had some 4/20 weekend

  • Ali

    @ Paul H, (Since 83′) there is no doubt Ron is a little off his rocker, we’ve know that for YEARS, he’s even told us he’s crazy…nothing new there. What I’m saying is it was not with the intent people are saying. Like he planned to go from the defensive end of the court to getting nice little dunk, to celbrating, to purposely elbowing Harden while neither of them where looking. Come on man, shi* like this happens so fast in the flow of the game all the time. busted lips, scratched eyes, broken noses, ELBOWS! It looks alot worse in the super slow mo every tv station is play now. Let it go fellaz, fine him/suspend him, and move on.

  • Otis

    @FnF – “why was Harden even near Artest to being with?” Um, to receive the inbounds pass? Which he has every right to do without Metta trying to decapitate him? I like Metta as much as anyone, but he needs to sit for a long time for this. It was an intentional, irresponsible play. People saying Harden flopped need to take an unexpected elbow behind the ear from a 6’8″ behemoth and then see how they’d react…

  • http://slamonline.com Jim Sharpe

    What if Mr. “Peace” had hit him in the temple instead of behind the left ear? How would he justify maybe making a vegetable out of James Harden? No excuse for his action whatsoever! He should be banned from the NBA!

  • What

    Ibaka does have the death grip as we have seen this season, and he dodges karate chops pretty good.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Got to say my piece on this.
    .
    MWP clearly knew he was throwing an elbow, he is not a 4 year old who sporadically loses control of his limbs.
    .
    MWP knew he hit a Thunder player in the least, after the elbow hits he doesn’t look back, he knows he didn’t hit a teammate or official, if he had any doubts he would have looked back.
    .
    If the elbow he threw was somehow accidental, that makes MWP even more dangerous. Because he doesn’t have control of his body and the violent outburts it is capable of.
    .
    Either way, this was vicious, and his punishment should not be handed out lightly AT ALL.

  • Otis

    @nbk – exactly.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    F*ckin ridiculous that anyone would defend his actions.

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/ Paul H

    He has to miss the first round. And If that lack of depth ends up costing the Lakers (Memphis or Denver were going to be incredibly tough outs anyway) then Laker fans know where to vent their fury.

  • Dungeon Family

    bunch lame ass white kids leaving comments today I see

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Y’all going to far with the jail talk.
    He threw an elbow. It was bad. It happens in sports. He should get suspended for a few games and people should stop acting like he’s a demon. Lots of players throw elbows. Barkley and Dikembe made careers of it.

  • dbcirclecity

    Just a matter of time—-very unfortunate for everyone concerned—-but Ron ain’t wired right—and that is too bad considering playing emotionally is part of the game—-physical abuse is not—if he can’t control himself he needs to be on medication, simple as that, what next? He has had his second chance and was forgiven by most everyone—-I don’t hate him and like him as a player—-he could end up being the only player to ever close down a shot at the championship for three teams in his career! I say a year off with reconsideration by the league after reviewing his medical records in 2014. As much as I want to believe he intended to brush off harden, the replay shows a different story.

  • FnF

    @OTIS, IDK.. elbow or not, standing next to a defender in hopes or receiving an inbounds pass isn’t a smart basketball play. MWP had no intentions of playing back court defense but anywhere else would have been a viable option to stand. There was no reason to bump into Artest.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man, I remember when Dikembe threw the same elbows and knocked fools teeth out. Same with Charles.
    Artest felt someone bump him and threw an elbow. He wasn’t aiming for dude’s head. But it was reckless and dangerous. So he should be suspended a few games.
    That’s it, and the world moves on.

  • AQWORD

    ^^^ Looks like most cats here have. ^^^

  • Conrad

    Move the fuck on LAkers haters… It was an elbow and stop being a bunch of bitches. You’re the reason why NBA is sooooo SOFT nowadays

  • Ed

    Artest is known to be a dirty player with admitted mental problem. He should not be allowed to play until he is mentally stabled. It’s very irresponsible for the league to let Artest continue to play. Suspend him indefinitely…..
    Thank you

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh he definitely doesn’t deserve any jail time, that’s too far. This is clearly an issue for what happens on a basketball court. If this is a jailable offense then there are a hundred or so hockey players who all deserve the same thing.

  • Lewfor2

    The NBA would be wise to suspend “World Peace” indefinitely, if not permanently, for such a flagrant, intentional & vicious assault on a defenseless player, on National TV. How does this action differentiate from Kermit Washington’s flying fist that shattered Rudy Tomjanovich’s face in the 1980′s?
    As a High School referee, myself these kinds of totally unprovoked intentional injuries have no place in team sports, let alone at a professional level.
    Arrest was very lucky to have “only” been suspended by the league for 86 games for the incident in the Palace @ Auburn Hills (that he initiated). It’s time to permanently ban this criminal from professional sports. Let’s see what a “big shot” he is … when he’s sentenced to a few years behind bars.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance21

    Co-Sign Paul H and NBK. We’ve seen MWP do his “pound his chest” celebration all season. Never once did it include a wind up and power elbow out to the side of his body. How is it all of a sudden part of the celebration? Whether he meant to hit Harden in the head is the ONLY thing that can be debated, but he most definitely meant to hit him with that elbow somewhere.

  • http://espn.go.com/nba/ Paul H

    @Dungeon Family, I am white as a matter of fact. I didn’t know that affected how I judge sports stars or that It makes me lame. Learn something new every day.

  • robb

    There was no reason to bump into Artest but that elbow was a punk move. He should’ve pushed Harden, but to elbow him like that was disgraceful, and I’m a Lakers fan.

  • nan

    we were always taught never….to hit a person in the head!!has noone heard of a i10 year old girl fight ,the one hit the other inthe head(one time)..she went home ,said she had a headache, and later died..(from the 10 year old girl punch!!)

  • Otis

    @FnF – that’s as it may be (and yes, I wouldn’t be standing anywhere near one of the best defenders in the league if I was trying to get a hold of the inbounds), but it doesn’t change the fact that you can’t go throwing your elbows like that. You could seriously hurt someone. AllenP and nbk are right – he needs to get suspended for this, and there’s really no two ways about it.

  • hushabomb

    @NBK. Totally agree. Though it did look bad. Maybe MWP should have taught Rashad Evans that elbow technique. He could have used it to win the UFC Light Heavy Weight title

  • http://bleacherreport.com James

    WMP was defending himself and Harden got in his way. Harden got what he deserves. Someone earlier said that they should keep him out until Harden is back playing, fair enough because he’ll be back the next game.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    It’s lucky he didn’t @Jim & we don’t have to talk about that rather just a concussion.

  • Conrad

    Booohoooooooooo!!!! Move the F on…. You guys are the reason why NBA is soooo soft nowadays!

    NBa needs someone like Artest wheather you like it or not

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    Laker fans are being Laker fans with the “Harden ran into him” and “Metta didnt see him”. Watch the video again. Harden was running towards the inbound pass. He stopped right before Metta threw the elbow. Metta’s forearm brushed against Harden before he raised his arm up and threw the elbow. It was 100% intentional.

  • doyouwantmore

    If Artest committed as many assaults in his own neighborhood as he did on the basketball court he would be banned from society, not just basketball. I won’t be satisfied with the NBA until Artest is gone. He ruined the Indiana Pacers then he f-ed up the Kings for a few years. The only people defending him are star-struck little fanboys who don’t care about the game of basketball as much as they do about celebrities.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    Now whomever said jail time is being ridiculous. It was a dirty play but it was one play. Metta should be suspended the duration of Harden’s injury + fined.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Umm, not ALL Lakers fans feel that way, BET.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You do realize the Kings last playoff experience was with Artest and Bonzi Wells, right? When they took the Spurs to like seven or something? The series where Kevin Martin hit that crazy game winning layup and Artest and Bonzi straight ABUSED the spurs on the block.
    It’s weird how angry people are at him. He made a dumb decision in throwing the elbow, but it was a dumb choice not a malicious one. Players throw elbows, when they connect, they look horrible.
    Harden did bump into him, and I don’t if he was going for the inbounds or was bumping him for celebrating. Artest felt someone bump him and threw a reckless, dangerous elbow. Because he made a reckless and dangerous play, he should be suspended. It really wasn’t that different from what Kevin Love did to be honest, although it did far more damage.

  • Drig

    @doyouwantmore……….when was the last time Artest did this again????? The malicious foul part?? What he did was idiotic. And he deserves to face the consequences. But what the hell is this about banning him from all of NBA??? People still hold Malice incident against him??? He deserves to be suspended no question. But let’s not act like he’s always hitting players whenever he gets the chance like guys are making it sound here. Seriously, everyone makes it sound waaaay worse that it is.

  • MikeC.

    My input is 7 game suspension. If they’re pro-rating suspensions due to the lockout, then take what I feel should be a 10 game suspension and make it 7 games. Or the Lakers can all grow Harden beards as punishment and no suspension for Artest.

  • bobbyD

    Spot on Allenp. Lot of people getting super worked up about this. MWP is pumped after the dunk. Harden goes to his left initiating contact with MWP instead of to his open right for the inbounds. MWP feels the contact and throws a wild get the f#*k off me elbow. Dude will be suspended for a few. Harden will be fine. The most interesting thing about the game is that it was OKC’s 6th loss in a row to a playoff team.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    B. Long, I’m referencing all the Metta apologists. Metta is the one who initiated the contact and threw the elbow knowing someone was standing right beside him. It caused the 3rd most important player on the Thunder to get a concussion. That’s the bottom line.

  • larrybird1

    The real question here is: Did the basketball player formerly known as “Ron Artest” intentionally try to inflict bodily injury on James Harden? The answer is yes. I watched the replay several times from several angles and witnessed one of the most vicious, reckless elbows I have ever seen. Keep in mind we are talking about Ron Artest, who has a very well deserved reputation for outlandish, criminal acts of violence on the court. Should be suspended for remainder of the season.
    Advise: Ron,Changing your name was a very astute move. We almost forgot about your past amongst all your recent outstanding play. Next time use a swithcblade in a crowd, drop the knive on the floor and walk away like nothing happened.

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    Like seriously people, watch the tape again. Harden was going towards the inbound. When he and Metta became entangled, Harden tries to take a couple steps back. He wasn’t making any sort of “bump” because he was mad about the dunk. smh

  • slamfan4life

    hope he gets well soon;Thunder depend on it

  • ClydeSays

    There was no reason for that elbow. Ron/MWP can’t defend it. It’s not like he had the ball & was clearing out after a rebound. He actually wound up and clocked Harden in the back of the head. You have to think they’ll suspend him at least 5-6 games, if not the entire playoffs…

  • Nails

    I’m a big Metta fan, but he definatly messed up here. However that being said STOP THROWING HIM UNDER THE BUS. This guy is known to be a little off-kilter (well-known fact). The elbow was vicious yes, but it wasn’t malicious. Just because he goes to therapy and changed his name doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have the old Ron Artest in him. I just hate how we all wait for people to mess up so we can say “I told you didn’t I?”. Right after the incident happened Mike Breen starts talking about The Palace and how Metta came a long way and it was so dissapointing. Okay Mike Breen, this one incident doesn’t reverse everything that MWP has worked towards everyone has bumps in the road. I know what you will say, “what do you expect?” Why is it that we expect everyone to be a bhudist monk on the court?

  • http://IGoHardNow.com CoolWhip

    This is the first I’m hearing of this…

  • http://BleacherReport/Slam Chris Shrader

    I am a Laker fan 50 years. I have seen it all. Look what Boston did to Rambis.This might be Artest act of stupidity but look what they been doing to Griffin and what happened to Love. Two games at the MOST!!!!Maybe a fine. Come David Stern it is time for a short season playoff. Get your head out of your A… and do the right thing.

  • http://bleacherreport anese nuriddin

    The lakers are a dirty team as a whole and what a sorry man to name himself world peace and fighting like a street dog. So typical, hypocrite! ron attest he should have remained and leave peace to those who can use it authentically. Sorry man.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I actually think that Love’s actions were worse and could have caused more damage than Artest’s elbow. Love only got 2 games for his actions and I’m curious to see just how many Artest will get.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nah BETCATS, watch the replay.
    Right forearm, Harden pushes Artest with it as Ron is celebrating and moving away. It wasn’t a hard push adn wasn’t a big deal and Artest clearly threw a “Get the f(uck off me elbow” in response that was unnecessary. But Harden is pushing him with the right forearm. I saw it immediately when it happened without the replay.
    Look at the replay, a natural response to someone coming up on your left side is to push off with your left arm. Harden is hitting Artest with his right arm. That’s not “accidental” man.
    But this in NO WAY JUSTIFIES WHAT ARTEST DID.
    Just wanted to make that clear. It was reckless and dangerous and incredibly, INCREDIBLY STUPID. It just wasn’t evil. I think that’s the distinction I’m making. Stupid and dangerous happens, Evil deserves a much harsher punishment.
    But that’s just my opinion, which in the long run has no bearing on the world of basketball.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    It was a bounty…

  • everynowhere

    i don’t think artest was trying to hit harden’s head with the elbow. HE CLEARLY WANTED TO HIT HIM. i just don’t think he was aiming for the head. Either way, suspension for the rest of the season isn’t an outlandish punishment.

  • EJ

    Artest’s gonna get more than Love for sure. Love is a first time offender as far as I know, and Artest did more damage, so he’s probably gonna get a little more.

  • http://bleacher lexie

    I do not think that World Peace ment to do that. I was watching the game, Peace was excited about making the basket. Harden was right by him,Peace was not even looking at him.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    The kid, Artest, has always had a little old school in him.

  • Geoff

    He wasn’t aiming because he simply didn’t give a sh*t where it landed. The amount of force with which he threw that bow WAS malicious. I don’t see how that could be looked at any other way.

  • Iggi

    Unintentional my ass, that was a total cheap shot. You can see on Artest eyes that he knew Harden was there.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Oh, and that is child’s play compared to the kinds of elbows William Cartwright used to throw.
    Well, not really child’s play, but yes, it’s wasn’t that uncommon for a guy to do something like that back in the day, as another commenter earlier alluded to.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The elbow was pretty hard. Crazy hard considering how strong Artest is.

  • James Aka…

    A blow the the base of the skull can with that force could end a mans life. JTaylor21 wins the Bill O’Reilly award for most slanted take on a current event.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Ehhh… I agree with AllenP’s thoughts.

  • http://www.crappyrappers.com Simon Caine

    Kevin Love literally stomped on someone’s face. Which is much more criminal and dangerous than an intentional/unintentional elbow. He gets two games, Ron should get two games.

  • http://www.crappyrappers.com Simon Caine

    Most people in street fights even make sure to stop/break it up before it comes to stomping on someone’s head. Just saying.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    idk if you have just never seen an intentional face stomp or what, but what Kevin Love did does not classify. He stepped on Scola’s chin. He didn’t stomp on his face.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    nbk, spitting the truth. I’m tired of the ‘face stomp’. This isn’t a “fatal blow to the head.” Or a “jail-able offense.” Both men were caught up in the moment and people were in the wrong place while they were getting hyped. Who’s fault is it with K-Love or Artest? Their own, but lets quit acting like they are dogs loose off their chain. They are grown men that got caught up like we all do sometimes. As long as they apologize and move forward they will be fine and we shouldn’t treat them like savages.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Well, he tried to step on him.
    Where his foot landed may have been accidental, but he clearly tried to step on him and added a little extra ooomph.
    But I do agree with the fact that where he hit Harden is crazy dangerous. I told my wife that he could have killed him if he hit him right. And yes, the same could be said for Love, but unfortunately Artest is going to also be punished for being Artest and for having this happen on national TV.

  • bike

    To some extent, his history should factor in. This would not have been such a big deal for many nba players—elbows get thrown, jaws get busted, fines and punishment follow. But this is a guy who is volatile and potentially dangerous. He doesn’t seem to be able to control himself or learn from the past.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I am not arguing whether or not Love meant to step on him. But he didn’t mean to hurt him, he didn’t show more than frustration. Artest showed pure aggression. He clearly meant to throw an elbow, to clear space or cause damage idk, but he didn’t show any remorse. Which is what makes it so bad. The damage Love could have possibly done with how he stepped on Scola was minimal, I just watched that replay again. Artest could have seriously seriously hurt Harden.

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com KHOLIDAY

    Not defending Metta World War at all, but where the hell was James Harden running to after Metta’s dunk? I think 5 games is fair for Metta.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Love stomped on Scola’s face, don’t give me that chin nonsense. Also, when did the chin stop becoming a part of the face?

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Watch that replay again Taylor, please try and justify that as a stomp. I know you know what a stomp is. I am not arguing that what Love did wasn’t dirty but it’s not at all of the severity of this elbow. Not anywhere close.

  • Otis

    @KHoliday – watch the video again. He’s not running anywhere. He’s stepping up to receive the inbounds.

  • nan

    what is with all the partying anyway??wow you made a basket!!not like he just won the game!!still down 3 at half-time at home …playing one of the best teams!!

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com KHOLIDAY

    You guys must’ve grown up in really nice neighborhoods. Kevin Love’s incident was far from a stomp. Running on Scola’s face is a more appropriate description, but he definitely didn’t stomp . Had Love stomped, Scola would’ve been out cold.

  • Mack

    “Artest has 60 pounds on Ibaka” lmaoooo not even close

  • http://aol dante

    Mette world peace is a nice guy, a lot of emotion or an emotional guy and as far as I understand he is very involved in many charities (helping people and then some) the configuration of his head is a bit out of shape , I question if he had an accident when he was a child ????

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    All right, maybe it wasn’t a stomp in terms of the definition but it still could have caused serous damage to Scola’s face/head because of the way his skull bounced off the hardwood.
    The point I’m trying to make is that Artest’s actions didn’t seem intentional while Love’s did.

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com KHOLIDAY

    @otis it sort of looks to me like he’s impeding Metta’s path. Like I said before, not defending Metta at all, but it just seemed like a set up. Like he wanted to bump Metta at the very least or something. Plus Westbrook was right there to inbound the ball to as well. Either way, he almost got his head taken off, which was crazy. Metta bugged out on this one! They will punish him to the fullest extent given his track record.

  • alphabeta

    I agree with bike, Stern should just axe this mofo. Actually, ban him from the NBA period. People like Iverson are struggling to get back into this league for not wanting to come of the bench, for which I don’t blame him, because his is a future HOF. On the other hand we got this baboon who went into the stands for UFC tryouts vs. the fans, and is still in this league. Just watch, someone will have a serious injury playing with “Meant No Peace”, if they just keep suspending him for a few games. With the shear force he hit Harden, he could have easily had intracranial bleeding.

  • Heals

    @da real 11:40, did you watch the game with a tin foil hat and matching outfit those are some trampoline like jumps to conclusions? Ditto PaulH @11:24, consider my mind boggled. You’d swear by some of those trying to defend (???) this that there 2 different incidents. And judging by some comments in here it’s clear folks bringing up KLo’s 2 games as a fair comparison didn’t see happen…

  • http://slamonline house

    Ban MWP for rest of season I say, I hope Harden makes a full recovery after being hit with such a completely un-called for and utterly cheap move.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Anyone who said he deserves jail time is a dumba$$. I think a 5 game suspension is suffice.

  • http://wikipedia.org Eddie1

    Man if that was Jeremy Lin, kid woulda turned to dust instead of just a concussion. Hope Harden has no other issues. Six game suspension sounds about right.

  • http://slamonline house

    @jTaylor: how the hell can you even come up up with the statement that Artest’s elbow didn’t seem intentional, how the hell can you defend that crap. Take off your Metta World Peace glasses and come back to reality.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    What about what MWP didn’t seem “intentional?” The blow to the head, i understand that that wasn’t intentional. But he definitely, 100% threw the elbow. He knew there was someone next to him. And he knew it wasn’t a Laker or Official. Again, if he didn’t, he would have stopped to check after contact was made. From all accounts Ron Artest is a nice guy off the court, even one of the nicest in the league. But he also loses his cool at the drop of a hat. He clearly lost his concentration, or got caught up in the moment last night, but that doesn’t change how much of a danger he is. If it wasn’t intentional, wouldn’t that make it even worse anyway? That makes him completely unpredictable, and makes a punishment pointless. He may do that to his wife after bowling his 3rd strike in a row next time he’s bowling if that’s the case.

  • Heals

    Please don’t pro create lexie, please…

  • BeefWellington

    The NBA needs to develop some degree of transparancy when handing out punishment. It seems too subjective and I think with MWP the hammer will fall – I’m guessing suspension for the entire playoffs.

    A set tier of punishment needs to be established:
    1. Define act
    2. 1st offense = 2 games, 2nd offense = 5 games, etc…
    3. If opposing player is injured, then suspension should equal the number of games that the injured player would miss due to the infraction.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Yeah, I don’t think he meant to hit him at such a dangerous spot of the head but he meant to throw that elbow.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Heals FTW haha.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think he wanted to hit whoever bumped into him and was holding him up. Which Harden was doing if you watch the replay and watch what he does.
    MWP did something incredibly stupid and dangerous. Not Gilbert Arenas level stupid and dangerous, but still pretty bad.
    I don’t know, elbows get thrown. Dwight throws elbow. Artest threw a bad elbow. It wasn’t any more vicious than Raja Bell clotheslining Kobe a few years back though. It was just more dangerous.
    So if you’re suspending him based on viciousness, he shouldn’t get that much, if it’s based on possible consequences, I can see a longer suspension. But that opens up a can of worms about if you should suspend everyone based on what could have happened.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And people are doing ARtest a disservice by acting like he blacked out.
    He didn’t black out when he threw that elbow, he was sending a message to whoever was behind him. Period.
    He blacked out when he saw Ibaka coming at him and he started grabbing his package and squaring up. That was the crazy Artest.
    The Artest who threw the elbow was the calculating Artest, he just made a bad calculation.

  • bolarinwa

    First of all, let me say this if you watched the whole scene, you will know Artest did that stuff on purpose. Harden was going for the inbound pass and his right hand was clearly making contact with Artest. Now if you are artest your five senses must be working to know that somebody is close to you. How can beating your chest result into an elbow move. I think he should be banned to serve as scapegoat to others who would try and act in this manner. I like to see a player use his energy on D and offense. That’s why i like Howard, you won’t see him playing cheap dirty moves. he will block shots stop layups and dunks. That’s what we want to see. If i wanted to see a fight we have UFC and WWE shows to see all that. Again i hope Harden recovers from this and uses this as motivation for the playoffs. And for those of you thinking Artest and Ibaka, let me just say my dad is from Nigeria (west Africa) and that part of Africa the men love to fight. it’s no secret they got mad ass stamina and all, so Ibaka who comes from Congo will definitely whoop Artest ass. You think it’s the burgers that will get Artest through? hell no.

  • @boweezy24

    He Was Probably Trying to Push Out Of The Way With His Elbow/ Arm and Caught Harden In The Head.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dwight Howard is notorious for throwing elbows. He’s even been suspended for doing it. Lol.

  • smoove

    “metta world peace elbow”….sounds like a wrestling move

  • bolarinwa

    naa. Dwight Howard uses his elbow to shield the ball in defense when you

  • shutup

    I’m disappointed in Allen, I didn’t expect to see you try to absolve MWP in any way. There is no way that elbow wasnt intentional, and the malice is clearly evident in his throwing it and not showing remorse. Coming from someone that frequents mosh pits in and out of work you know when you make contact with another person and you can feel the difference between someones head and arm. He stopped his celebration co(ked his arm back and swung it head level, and precedent has been set in hockey for criminal charges to be filed Luc Robetielle (last name not sure of spelling) he was charged with assault for hitting another player in the head with his stick. The difference with this and Dikembes or Barkley or Mutumbo’s elbows (and clearly I havent seen every elbow) but the majority were in the course of the game, this was not. I’m not advocating criminal charges but I think this should end Artest’s career, before he really hurts someone again. BTW its a b!tch move to release a half-@$$ apology that he did and I think stern is gonna come down harder because of it.

  • shutup

    I actually refered to Dikembe and Mutumbo as 2 different people, lol I meant Malone.

  • idrees

    why do we call him “world peace”?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Shutup
    I said he threw the elbow on purpose. I don’t see throwing an elbow on the court as being evil. It was reckless, dangerous and dirty. Which is something that can be said for a lot of things that happen on the court.
    I think he’s going to be punished for what could have happened from his actions, not what actually happened.
    I think it’s crazy to say it should end his career. I’ve seen the elbows by Barkley, Dikembe and Howard. In every instance they purposefully swung their elbows to clear space. Artest swung an elbow to send a message and clear space. The biggest difference is he hit a smaller player, this is the information age and he’s Ron Artest.
    I just don’t agree with this “bring down the hammer” talk. It doesn’t work for me.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Shaq threw 2 punches during his career that if they landed would have ruined the intended targets careers. Unless you think those should have ended Shaq’s career I don’t think you can make the case that this should end MWP’s. You can’t even prove what his intent one first of all. And second, if throwing that elbow is a career ending offense then you set yourself up for legal ramifications from MWP against the NBA on every ensuing head injury inflicted by another player that goes without similar punishment. Basically, a lifetime ban is not an option.

  • shutup

    Evil is in the intention, it stands true for almost every crime, the difference between murder 1 or 2 and manslaughter, difference between a drug charge and intent to distribute. He meant to hit Harden with the elbow thats enough to put the nail in his coffin, take in to account his past you cant dismiss it as as a one time thing either, he’s a repeat offender. The difference between the aforementioned elbows is the majority of the time its in the course of the game and in the process of securing a rebound or setting a pick, both in the course of the game. This was completely out of the context of the game, in no way shape or form can this be construed as a basketball play, it was an assault plain and simple.

  • shutup

    NBK you said if they connected, all I ask is we keep this discussion to what actually happened not what could happen. Artest’s elbow made contact with the back of Harden’s head less than 2 inches from the nerve center behind a persons ear, the same nerve center responsible for knockouts when your chin gets rocked.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ACtually, that’s a misnomer Shutup.
    I cover police and crime.
    You get hit with second degree murder, not because of intent, but because your crime doesn’t meet certain criteria. It has nothing to do with premeditation, instead it has everything to do with the age of your victim and whether you were involved in some other criminal activity when the crime occurred.
    With the drugs, it’s based not on whether you were selling anything, but just the quantity of drugs you have on you. It could also be a factor on how it is packaged.
    What exactly is Artest a repeat offender of? He went in the stands. Other than that, has he thrown more elbows than Howard or Dikember? has he been in a bunch of fights? has he given a lot of flagrant fouls?
    He went in the stands when provoked and had a what I have always considered to be a normal human reaction to disrespect, and he kept his dogs in deplorable conditions. Other than those two things, what has Ron Artest done that has been violent and reckless? I can’t remember anything else.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Again, the court is more than wide enough to avoid contact. What Harden did is indoctrinated into every pro-level basketball player early; Give the opposing player nothing, not a inch. I find it interesting that the Love/Scola thing came back up, which I believe to be on a similar thread… A mild and annoying physical act followed by a vicious and demeaning response. Maybe we should throw the DWest 2KWillie in there as well? Cooler heads need to prevail in all of these situations, but on the other hand why begin the altercation? ‘Cause you didn’t think he’d go that far?? That ain’t cool.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    But he didn’t actually hit that nerve center. You can’t tell me to focus on what actually happened in the same comment as speculating the severity of what could have happened. That doesn’t work.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    shutup, I’m disappointed in you. I’m not a fan of banning things in general. Artest made another stupid mistake, but you can’t just kick him out of the League for it. It’s been years since he has done something to this affect. He obviously has a anger management problem and the L should be concerned with helping him not getting rid of him. You can tell the dude has his heart in the right place, but he can’t control himself sometimes. He didn’t want to hit Harden in that spot that much is for certain. I think he was aiming for shoulder and got just above it accidently. That’s my perspective anyway.
    I suggest banning ban’s.

  • shutup

    and proving intent is difficult but it is made easier when the video shows the elbow being brought back (out of his king kong celebration) and being swung head level and connecting to Harden’s head, and Artest walking away like nothing happened. As long as we agree he threw the elbow on purpose, thats all that is needed. You cant accidentally hit someone with a intentionally thrown elbow. Example: guy fires shots into a crowd bullet hits someone (doesnt have to be intended target) Murder 1, plain and simple.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And lots of plays occur that are not basketball plays. When Jason Smith and James Posey lowered their shoulders and body checked players, those weren’t basketball plays. When Raja Bell clotheslined Kobe that definitely wasn’t a basketball play. The clothesline on Rambis. The Dr. J and Bird fight.
    Violent things happen on the court at time. This was violent. He should be punished. We clearly disagree on his history and the severity of that punishment.
    To be clear, I do not think Ron Artest behaved unreasonable during the Palace incident. If a man threw a drink at me, I would feel justified in beating his butt. I have threatened a man while working as reporter because he threatened to have his dog attack me to obtain my notebook, and I fully planned to carry out my threats if I needed to do it.
    Some lines shouldn’t be crossed and in my opinion that fan crossed one f those lines. So Artest has always been justified in going in the stands in my mind.
    This elbow was NOT JUSTIFIED. It was wrong. But I don’t see this long history that means he should be permanently banned. it’s crazy to hear people say this actually.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

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  • Heals

    @Lakeshow, damn your squad exceeded all expectations for potential “drama” in a shortened season and the playoffs haven’t even started. If your boys win it all it’ll be one helluva Championship DVD…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    whelp only my single sentence comments are posting

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Spaceship I agree with you in principle. People expect things to only go so far and they make some bad choices.
    But what happened wasn’t Harden’s fault. Artest reacted in a completely unreasonable way. Elbows are dangerous man. Just like with Gordon Hayward, you throw an elbow around someone’s head and it is a problem.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Shut up
    That’s not murder one.
    That could be manslaughter, negligent homicide, or murder two depending on why he fired the gun.
    Not sure what law you are reading homie.

  • shutup

    I understand banning him may be a bit harsh, I think a year long suspension is in order though. And I know Allen that is why I used that as an example the factors you stated do influence the charge but so does intent in a murder case and it carries even more weight in states that have capital punishment. @NBK but he did have a concussion, which means he did suffer brain damage to a degree. And Artest has always been a little off, did he not get into a confrontation with Kobe a couple years ago and with someone on the Heat this year?

  • Jerome

    Kobe’s apology was more sincere. Tears and all.

  • shutup

    The aggravating factors of first degree murder are a specific INTENT to kill, premeditation, and deliberation.

  • shutup

    The courts broadened the scope of murder by eliminating the requirement of actual premeditation and deliberation as well as true malice. All that was required for malice aforethought to exist is that the perpetrator act with one of the four states of mind that constitutes “malice.”
    The four states of mind recognized as constituting “malice” are:
    Intent to kill,
    Intent to inflict grievous bodily harm short of death,
    Reckless indifference to an unjustifiably high risk to human life (sometimes described as an “abandoned and malignant heart”), or
    Intent to commit a dangerous felony (the “felony-murder” doctrine).

  • shutup

    The source of my information is research done because a close friend is facing charges of murder one, by no means am I an expert, this is only how I interpret what I have read and through conversations with his defense lawyer.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Look I’m not arguing Artest shouldn’t be punished severely. A lifetime ban though is not realistic. There is no legal grounds to make that banishment unless the NBA is planning on doing the same thing on every single play that results in a player getting a concussion in result of another player’s actions. Because, you can’t prove Artest’s intent and have no evidence to support that stance other then the results of the action. Artest would be able to sue the NBA at the very first opportunity. Stern will likely suspend MWP for the first round, at most the remainder of the season + playoffs. Other than that, I just don’t think there is a rational legal argument for a lifetime ban.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m telling in my state you can deliberately kill someone with premeditation and it won’t be first degree murder.
    That’s second degree murder.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m reading my Louisiana Revised Statutes Criminal Code book right now and it still says that.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Heals, it was a little ridiculous even by Hollywood standards.
    Wonder if the Celts are gunna make one last finals run? I wouldn’t be surprised. They sure finished the season strong. Rondo beasting.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And once again, point out this long history Artest has of violence.
    It doesn’t exist. He is testy, gets into jawing matches and gets some techs, but he doesn’t have a history of violence outside of the Malice at the Palace. That’s not a long history. That’s an isolated incident under extreme duress.

  • shutup

    Than what constitutes first degree murder?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    In Louisiana it’s thinks like r@pe, age of victim, whether victim was a police officer, and whether a crime was being committed that was also a serious felony.
    Some of those same factors go into second degree murder though, so basically getting charged with first degree murder is often up to the discretion of the local District Attorney’s office.
    The issue with intent goes into whether you’re charged with manslaughter instead of murder.

  • shutup

    I have read your definition, and compared to my past readings mostly on Nevada states law, your definition seems lacking and the line between first and second degree murder is less defined, not saying your wrong just it doesnt coincide with the definition as I have come to understand it. I’m cool with leaving it at that. How many games did Bynum get? Artest is getting that at the minimum, on a side note not sure if this is true but after the malice in the palace did those invlovled have a special clause put in their contracts preventing future things such as this ala pac man jones, I seem to vaguely remember a rumor like this following their suspensions. Like a good citizens clause or some such thing.

  • bike

    Ron Artest is at the very basic not a bad person. But he does have a history of getting too amped up and presenting a danger to anyone in close proximity. This incident has to be taken seriously. Call is a set back in his mental health, whatever, but the guy is potentially dangerous. Not bad, not evil, but still dangerous.

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com KHOLIDAY

    I clicked back to this thread to read some comments and starting seeing words like murder and manslaughter… Are we still talking about Metta World Peace and James Harden?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Maybe it is vague and less defined. It is Louisiana law after all. You can look it up, Louisiana revised statute 14:30
    Bynum got three games.
    All players have good citizen clauses. That wouldn’t apply in this situation.

  • FnF

    Thank You Lexis-Nexis for the law interpretation.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    Ok, lots of good thoughts on here, so let’s break the whole thing down to 4 components:
    1. Level of intent
    2. Strength of blow
    3. Injury to Harden
    4. History of Artest
    ——————
    With that, we can imagine a couple scenarios.
    A) Metta did not really know Harden was there, the strength was comparable to KLove, and Harden is ok.
    B) Metta fully intended to hurt another player, the strength was comparable to KLove, and Harden is ok.
    C) Metta fully intended to hurt another player, the strength far exceeded KLove, and Harden is ok.
    D) Metta fully intended to hurt another player, the strength far exceeded KLove, and Harden is out for extended time.
    —————–
    If you believe in A, he should be out 2 games. If in B, 4 games. If in C, 10 games. If in D, remainder of season and possibly extended into next year. And, if you feel his history factors in, multiply all suspension times by 1.5.

  • Jerome

    The KLove incident has nothing to do with this. Mega War Padre was intending to do harm (his re-enactment to the ref looked nothing like the video replay) and no matter how long Harden is out for a future outburst like this could have some player wake up dead. So … none of the above.

  • RedRum

    you guys who defend Artest, are you bleaping kidding me???What do you mean “it was not a punch”??? Does anyone know anything about physiology? That hit at the back of he head behind the ear can be severely damaging, Harden could have been really really hurt. I am not talking about staying out for a few games, I am talking about severe brain damage. Artest’s hit was intentional. If I were comish I would kick his bleaping arse out of the league. But we know how things work… I think a ban until the next season is appropriate, no matter how long Harden stays out

  • Dingo Rob

    I’m surprised at how many thinks he will be suspended and back next season. Anyone who thinks he is going to be back this season have got rocks in their head, he is gone for the rest of the season including playoffs at the very least. I hope he is somehow pushed out of league Stern is going to town on this guy this cannot happen again

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Ron Artest has been suspended 13 deprecate times prior to yesterday. THIRTEEN!!! That is a ton.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Ron Artest has been suspended 13 separate times prior to yesterday. THIRTEEN!!! That is a ton.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I cosign nbk on most of what he’s said. Personally, I’d suspend for remainder of the year and possible extension next year. Punishment is indeed intended to prevent repeated behavior. Ron clearly does not respond to fair punishment; harsher measures are needed.

  • http://slamonline.com p

    @allenp i bet you cash money that that will be all they to throw the book at artest.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Damn, Cash money. The most potent kind of moneys.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    MWP should be suspended the 1st round of the playoffs and put on probation for next season. That simple, who cares if it was an accident or on purpose. It happened and MWP needs consequences for it. Also Harden next time will move out of someone’s way after they are running up the court.

  • Real Man

    Memo to Harden. Do not attempt to block unstable power fowards with mental issues . Any man who changes his name to Metta World Peace is crazy. Harden has been running his mouth all season. He had no reason to run near Artest after that play. He did and got his mohawk twisted . It is like a quarterback trash talking James Harrison . Not smart. I enjoyed every second of it .

  • shutup

    nbk 13 times? godd@mn, so much for isolated incident. and caboose I go with c or D. I brought up the mosh pit earlier because hardcore dancing i ssort of like Artest initial celebration lot of flailing limbs and sh!t, but you will get stomped out for intentionally swinging at someone, which is what he did. His arm movement prior to the blow is a clear indication of intent, and his reaction both the apology and the on court reaction show a complete lack of remorse or feeling of guilt. LMAO @ Lakeshow- the most potent kind of moneys- F-in Classic. I think at the least he should be done for the year, and evaluated by a team of professionals.

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    Love didnt give Scola a concussion! he didnt STOMP on his face as much as he scrapped it with his shoe. @nbk’s got it right from the get go… and if the message was to tell harden to step off kobe, i’m pretty sure that kobe will punish harden back with his own basketball ability, he doesnt need to throw elbows… on a side note- can Harden still win 6th man even with this injury?

  • Drig

    Artest was suspended for three games in 2003 for destroying a TV camera at Madison Square Garden, and for four games the same year for a confrontation with Miami Heat coach Pat Riley. He was also suspended for two games in the early 2004–05 season by Pacers coach Rick Carlisle after he allegedly asked for a month off because he was tired from promoting an R&B album for the group Allure on his production label. seven games at the beginning of the 2007–08 NBA season for his legal problems. because of his dog………

  • Drig

    He was suspended for Game 2 of the team’s first-round series against the San Antonio Spurs following a flagrant foul (elbow to the head) on Manu Ginóbili. The Kings eventually were eliminated from the playoffs in six games. That’s the closest you can get for Artest having a history of dishing out elbows. Or the Barea incident in game 3. That’s about it.

  • jolene pease

    This wasn’t the first time Ron Artest/World Peace has done this. He needs outof the NBA forever. What kind of role model is he?

  • http://bleacherreport roy lippert

    This is one that he has been told to do by someone else. No way Lakers get by OKC with a full team in 7 game series. The NBA set him up. Like everything else. They control everything.

  • Flash

    Harden shouldnt had bump metta. He was clearly amped up celebrating. If harden wasnt there then this would have had not happened. Its not like mwp went up to harden and elbowed him straight up, it was harden who went to him and initiated first contact, its hardens fault. Should have gotten out of the way.

  • http://www.thedynastyboys.com lix

    Flash, not only does your comment demonstrate your stupidity but your grammar is that of a 4 year old’s.

  • alphabeta

    I think Ron Arrested should enter the UFC and face Overeem, so he can be put into permanent disability.

  • LeBrOn 4 MvP!

    harden up

  • Sesa

    I just think at that point, Metta World Peace is out of control and about to elbow anyone that bump him. Teammate, ref. I felt sorry for him trying to rebuild his image but I guess suspension is due. He should really learn to control himself…

  • kingbball

    James Harden is a Softie…….get up and play ball

  • http://www.slamonline.com Red

    I think the whole year is too much. Look, you can’t sit here & deny that Ron is leaps & bounds away from the Palace now.

  • RedRum

    To be fair, didn’t we all expect that something like this would happen once he announced the name change?

  • jimmer

    all of this would be far more interesting if it HAD been Ibaka that Artest threw one at. I think he probably would have gone after a fan instead, seeing as he was backing away from Serge even when there was a ref in between.

  • http://www.slamonline.com ponkz

    i think the best name for ron artest is metta world war.

  • Addam

    The Strait Jacket!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    All of those suspensions weren’t for violence. Go check the list man. He got suspended for other non-violent stuff. He’s had two high profile elbows, one against Manu and one against Kobe.

  • K.a.

    Srsly at this point i just log in to read allenp school fools.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Does this make for a PEACE-ful resolution?

  • http://Kaeaes@gmail.com Ka

    Hey allenp buddy, can you email the link to ur blog? I keep forgetting the name/link, My emails in the link thx.

  • Drig

    Allenp, I thought Kobe got one elbow on Ron’s chest in the Houston series……Ron-Ron elbowed Kobe when he was in sac-town or indiana????

  • ab40

    This is all LeBron’s fault!

  • AQWORD

    ^^^ true ab40^^^^ he should not have disrespected yo momma like that. I mean publically? !

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    Considering the person (Artest) and considering his history (Malice at the Palace) I would kick him out of the league if I was Stern. I’m quite certain this is being considered because it is taking so long for them to come back with a ruling. I’m sure the lawyers are looking into any legal ramifications as we speak. I would be for the ban as well.

  • Kane

    fckkkkk ron artest!!!!!!!!!! softy (thunder all the way):p

  • trey-ball

    James Harden is a bit stupid to brush Artest. LOL

  • Salty

    Wow, I always think it’s funny to watch people defend someone for losing their s#!@ like he did. Dude lost his temper and acted like a 16 year old in comp ball. I know in sports things get testy but grow up, there’s no excuse for losing control at that age. Suspend him for the year, let him come back next season and work on his rap career in the meantime

  • BIg Balls Smalls

    METTA. WORLD. PEACE! (Kevin Harlan voice)

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Dam, Tad, really? Ca’t believe legitimate people are calling for a ban. WTF.

  • Jerome

    Legitimate people … funny stuff.

  • 23

    artest has tarnished the league on more than 1 occasion. so i am ok with a lifetime ban as well. not to mention he basically caused slight brain damage to another human being for NO GOOD REASON! artest is all about attention, so i feel like right now he is not even worried. i bet he is smiling and joking at this very moment

  • lakernation

    @Allenp two thumbs up on your posts, your’e right on! I think he should be suspended through the first round of the playoffs… I think the fact that its ron artest makes the incident worst.

  • bike

    I vote for rest of season + playoffs with a warning that if it happens again he’s looking at permanent ban. I don’t buy the ‘he doesn’t have a history’. He spearheaded the ugliest brawl in sports history and has been diagnosed with significant impluse control problems.

  • LO

    I dont think he deserves a suspension. Flagrant 2 was enough. Let Peace play…

  • shutup

    Its not so much calling for the ban of the player, but seeing the climate of the sport and predicting what the punishment will be. Personally I think its the Lakers fault for putting this guy on the court and they should suffer the consequences along with him. Dude is a loose canon and despite viewing his past with ruby glasses, Ron Artest is Ron Artest, his reputation is earned and if it serves him in a negative way now; he has no one to blame but himself. Anyone who has the gall to say its just a foul or compare it to any type of basketball play or to even blame Harden in any way shape or form is completely off-base. If I was Harden I would pursue this legally and press charges, just because your on a basketball court it does not absolve you from adhering to the laws of society. and Allenp hate to call you out but a little research lead me to this bit of information- Louisiana
    Louisiana states that homicide in the first degree is killing of a human being with intent. There are other specific guidelines like killing a police officer or firefighter is an automatic first degree charge or intent to kill more than one person is automatically a first degree charge. In the State of Louisiana you can receive life imprisonment or the death penalty.

  • shutup

    These are the federal definitions of murder they do not vary from state to state. First degree murder is any murder that is willful and premeditated. Felony murder is typically first degree.[5]
    Second degree murder is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance.[6]
    Voluntary manslaughter sometimes called a “Heat of Passion” murder, is any intentional killing that involved no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would “cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed.” Both this and second degree murder are committed on the spot, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime. For example, a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second degree murder. If that same bar fight stemmed from a discovery of infidelity, however, it may be mitigated to voluntary manslaughter.[7]
    Involuntary manslaughter stems from unintentional, but criminally negligent behavior. A drunk driving-related death is typically involuntary manslaughter. Note that the “unintentional” element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about the death. All three crimes above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is “unintentional,” because the killer did not intend for a death to result from his intentional actions.[8]

  • shutup

    Oh and as a precedent Kermit Washington got a 60-day suspension for punching Rudy Tomjanovich, I don’t see Artest getting less than that, especially since the NBA has tried so hard to distance itself from the “Thug” image.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Once again, they won’t be able to issue that kind of punishment because they can’t prove any intent. Unlike Kermit Washington who straight cold clocked Rudy T.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    “AllenP hate to call you out.” No you don’t! You love it. lol.
    I honestly can’t imagine anything more than 10 games for Ronnie.
    Shutup, I think your to hard on Ron though. Yes he has an earned name and image, but he’s also done allot to clean up that image. There is no excuse for what he did. He intended to do it, but you can’t say he intended to actually hurt him. That elbow was hard, but it was only hard if your taking it to somewhere on the head. Since Ron wasn’t looking at him when he threw the bow, there is no reason to think that he meant to hit him where he did.
    If that elbow landed on his shoulder or chest, it would have been at most a flagrant 1, borderline flagrant 2. No suspension. But he did hit him in a bad spot and that has to be taken into account. I think he should serve 5 games more than Harden is out, or 10 games at most total.
    In addition to a $50k++ penalty.

  • shutup

    You don’t have to make eye contact to prove intent, intent is in the motion of his arm pulling back he knew it was an opposing player beside him. And even if intent can’t be proven it can be assumed and if you want to argue that; then his reputation will argue otherwise. Once you clear that he intended to throw the elbow everything else is immaterial, the damage he cause is the damage he caused. As for calling Allenp out, I derive no pleasure from it,like I stated earlier I am further my education on the legal system especially homicide law, so any chance to gain truthful knowledge on the subject will be pursued. He provided a counterpoint and I took it to either solidify my understanding of the facts or to alter my perception, it just so happens that my research led me to the information I presented earlier which is in juxtapose to the information he presented.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    You can’t prove he meant to do more than get Harden out of his way. The elbow was clearly intentional, but that isn’t enough. Reputation doesn’t prove intent. There is just no legal basis in trying to ban him for life, or to give him more than 10 or so games. 60 seems impossible, given that’s what Kermit Washington got, and what he did was terribly heinous and way worse than this.

  • shutup

    In the same breathe you cant prove he didnt mean to hit him in his head. He hasn’t even admitted that the elbow was intentional. If he wanted to clear space he could have just pushed out with the same elbow not bring it back over his other shoulder and swing it. And absolutely you can use someones past to prove intent, its done every day someone applies for a credit card, a job or some get slapped with a repeat offender tag. Remember the good citizen clause alluded to earlier in this post, if it does exist it is more than enough to keep him out an extended period of time. Its just speculation right now but I expect his punishment to be severe and lengthy. Also one could argue that this in some ways was more heinous of an act than the punch, its a proven fact that an elbow can cause more damage than a fist and at least Kermit had the decency (if you can call it that) to punch him in the face, not the back of the head (something not even allowed in the UFC)

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Well considering innocent until proven guilty…..

  • shutup

    LMAO… doesnt apply when there is video evidence, and a history of violence and anti-social behavior. That’s the thing about reputations, there great until they aren’t.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    The thing is:
    The video of this incident CLEARLY establishes intent. Metta, threw a forceful elbow. The mechanics of his body language runs contrary to the movement of that arm. He definitely intended on SWINGING AT SOMEONE in one direction… as he walked/celebrated whilst moving in a different direction.

    I just said One Direction…
    : (

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You still can’t prove he meant to elbow him in the back of the head with the evidence you have. I’m sorry but your just can’t. You can argue it all you want but it doesn’t prove anything. You have as much information on this as everyone else. Making the argument that this is somehow equal to more severe then “the punch” makes your argument ridiculous.

  • http://www.thesmashbrothas.com zen garden

    Who are you kidding nbk? This isn’t law and order, use your common sense. The dude lost control and started wiling. Now he has to deal with the repercussions. As bad as “the punch”? Obviously not. But so what? He gets a pass?

  • Joey Jo Jo

    7 game suspension for World Peace. There you go.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Lol maybe don’t jump in conversations at the midway point.

  • http://outlaw.com bo outlaw

    7 games y’all!!!

  • http://theurbangriot.com The NUPE

    I think when K. Love stomped on Scola that was worse. Stomping on someones knee or ribs is more likely to cause injury than an elbow to the head. Plus, I’d argue that Harden is the person that initiated the contact with Artest (not the other way around). So, Yes – Artest was 100% wrong for the elbow, but if K. Love ‘only’ got suspended for 2 regular season games, I don’t think Artest should get 7 games, including multiple playoff games.

  • bravo

    James harden should b suspended as well. He flopped on such a soft play. MWP shud rewarded for his tough love actions. An outrage an im a okc fana

  • shutup

    It really wouldn’t matter where he meant to hit him, just that his intent was to hit him with a forcibly thrown elbow. Also if you ever study escalation of force anything from the neck up would be a red area or the third tier of physical force(the most severe)

  • shutup

    and 7 games is fair, personally I was hoping for about 10 but expecting more because of the violent nature of it.

  • https://www.libertysilver.ee/se/ MikeTheSpike

    I definitely think this was intentional. Metta World Peace has always acted like a thug on the court and that part of him will never change. He is one of the nicest guys of it but once he is on the court, his personality really changes. James Harden didn’t deserve this. Suspending Metta for 7 games seems severe but for me it’s just about right.

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