James Harden Has a Concussion from Metta World Peace’s Elbow

Shutup
I said he threw the elbow on purpose. I don’t see throwing an elbow on the court as being evil. It was reckless, dangerous and dirty. Which is something that can be said for a lot of things that happen on the court.
I think he’s going to be punished for what could have happened from his actions, not what actually happened.
I think it’s crazy to say it should end his career. I’ve seen the elbows by Barkley, Dikembe and Howard. In every instance they purposefully swung their elbows to clear space. Artest swung an elbow to send a message and clear space. The biggest difference is he hit a smaller player, this is the information age and he’s Ron Artest.
I just don’t agree with this “bring down the hammer” talk. It doesn’t work for me.

Evil is in the intention, it stands true for almost every crime, the difference between murder 1 or 2 and manslaughter, difference between a drug charge and intent to distribute. He meant to hit Harden with the elbow thats enough to put the nail in his coffin, take in to account his past you cant dismiss it as as a one time thing either, he’s a repeat offender. The difference between the aforementioned elbows is the majority of the time its in the course of the game and in the process of securing a rebound or setting a pick, both in the course of the game. This was completely out of the context of the game, in no way shape or form can this be construed as a basketball play, it was an assault plain and simple.

ACtually, that’s a misnomer Shutup.
I cover police and crime.
You get hit with second degree murder, not because of intent, but because your crime doesn’t meet certain criteria. It has nothing to do with premeditation, instead it has everything to do with the age of your victim and whether you were involved in some other criminal activity when the crime occurred.
With the drugs, it’s based not on whether you were selling anything, but just the quantity of drugs you have on you. It could also be a factor on how it is packaged.
What exactly is Artest a repeat offender of? He went in the stands. Other than that, has he thrown more elbows than Howard or Dikember? has he been in a bunch of fights? has he given a lot of flagrant fouls?
He went in the stands when provoked and had a what I have always considered to be a normal human reaction to disrespect, and he kept his dogs in deplorable conditions. Other than those two things, what has Ron Artest done that has been violent and reckless? I can’t remember anything else.

But he didn’t actually hit that nerve center. You can’t tell me to focus on what actually happened in the same comment as speculating the severity of what could have happened. That doesn’t work.

and proving intent is difficult but it is made easier when the video shows the elbow being brought back (out of his king kong celebration) and being swung head level and connecting to Harden’s head, and Artest walking away like nothing happened. As long as we agree he threw the elbow on purpose, thats all that is needed. You cant accidentally hit someone with a intentionally thrown elbow. Example: guy fires shots into a crowd bullet hits someone (doesnt have to be intended target) Murder 1, plain and simple.

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Shut up
That’s not murder one.
That could be manslaughter, negligent homicide, or murder two depending on why he fired the gun.
Not sure what law you are reading homie.

Kobe’s apology was more sincere. Tears and all.

The courts broadened the scope of murder by eliminating the requirement of actual premeditation and deliberation as well as true malice. All that was required for malice aforethought to exist is that the perpetrator act with one of the four states of mind that constitutes “malice.”
The four states of mind recognized as constituting “malice” are:
Intent to kill,
Intent to inflict grievous bodily harm short of death,
Reckless indifference to an unjustifiably high risk to human life (sometimes described as an “abandoned and malignant heart”), or
Intent to commit a dangerous felony (the “felony-murder” doctrine).

Look I’m not arguing Artest shouldn’t be punished severely. A lifetime ban though is not realistic. There is no legal grounds to make that banishment unless the NBA is planning on doing the same thing on every single play that results in a player getting a concussion in result of another player’s actions. Because, you can’t prove Artest’s intent and have no evidence to support that stance other then the results of the action. Artest would be able to sue the NBA at the very first opportunity. Stern will likely suspend MWP for the first round, at most the remainder of the season + playoffs. Other than that, I just don’t think there is a rational legal argument for a lifetime ban.

I’m reading my Louisiana Revised Statutes Criminal Code book right now and it still says that.

And once again, point out this long history Artest has of violence.
It doesn’t exist. He is testy, gets into jawing matches and gets some techs, but he doesn’t have a history of violence outside of the Malice at the Palace. That’s not a long history. That’s an isolated incident under extreme duress.

In Louisiana it’s thinks like r@pe, age of victim, whether victim was a police officer, and whether a crime was being committed that was also a serious felony.
Some of those same factors go into second degree murder though, so basically getting charged with first degree murder is often up to the discretion of the local District Attorney’s office.
The issue with intent goes into whether you’re charged with manslaughter instead of murder.

Ron Artest is at the very basic not a bad person. But he does have a history of getting too amped up and presenting a danger to anyone in close proximity. This incident has to be taken seriously. Call is a set back in his mental health, whatever, but the guy is potentially dangerous. Not bad, not evil, but still dangerous.

Maybe it is vague and less defined. It is Louisiana law after all. You can look it up, Louisiana revised statute 14:30
Bynum got three games.
All players have good citizen clauses. That wouldn’t apply in this situation.

Ok, lots of good thoughts on here, so let’s break the whole thing down to 4 components:
1. Level of intent
2. Strength of blow
3. Injury to Harden
4. History of Artest
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With that, we can imagine a couple scenarios.
A) Metta did not really know Harden was there, the strength was comparable to KLove, and Harden is ok.
B) Metta fully intended to hurt another player, the strength was comparable to KLove, and Harden is ok.
C) Metta fully intended to hurt another player, the strength far exceeded KLove, and Harden is ok.
D) Metta fully intended to hurt another player, the strength far exceeded KLove, and Harden is out for extended time.
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If you believe in A, he should be out 2 games. If in B, 4 games. If in C, 10 games. If in D, remainder of season and possibly extended into next year. And, if you feel his history factors in, multiply all suspension times by 1.5.

you guys who defend Artest, are you bleaping kidding me???What do you mean “it was not a punch”??? Does anyone know anything about physiology? That hit at the back of he head behind the ear can be severely damaging, Harden could have been really really hurt. I am not talking about staying out for a few games, I am talking about severe brain damage. Artest’s hit was intentional. If I were comish I would kick his bleaping arse out of the league. But we know how things work… I think a ban until the next season is appropriate, no matter how long Harden stays out

Ron Artest has been suspended 13 deprecate times prior to yesterday. THIRTEEN!!! That is a ton.

I cosign nbk on most of what he’s said. Personally, I’d suspend for remainder of the year and possible extension next year. Punishment is indeed intended to prevent repeated behavior. Ron clearly does not respond to fair punishment; harsher measures are needed.

Damn, Cash money. The most potent kind of moneys.

Memo to Harden. Do not attempt to block unstable power fowards with mental issues . Any man who changes his name to Metta World Peace is crazy. Harden has been running his mouth all season. He had no reason to run near Artest after that play. He did and got his mohawk twisted . It is like a quarterback trash talking James Harrison . Not smart. I enjoyed every second of it .

Love didnt give Scola a concussion! he didnt STOMP on his face as much as he scrapped it with his shoe. @nbk’s got it right from the get go… and if the message was to tell harden to step off kobe, i’m pretty sure that kobe will punish harden back with his own basketball ability, he doesnt need to throw elbows… on a side note- can Harden still win 6th man even with this injury?

He was suspended for Game 2 of the team’s first-round series against the San Antonio Spurs following a flagrant foul (elbow to the head) on Manu Ginóbili. The Kings eventually were eliminated from the playoffs in six games. That’s the closest you can get for Artest having a history of dishing out elbows. Or the Barea incident in game 3. That’s about it.

This is one that he has been told to do by someone else. No way Lakers get by OKC with a full team in 7 game series. The NBA set him up. Like everything else. They control everything.