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Friday, May 4th, 2012 at 4:50 pm  |  167 responses

NY Post Writer Phil Mushnick Proposes Racist Nicknames for the Brooklyn Nets


We’ve had problems with racially-insensitive material written by the longtime NY Post columnist Phil Mushnick in the past, and it seems that the old man is still at it. In a rambling piece published today — while taking shots at minority team owner and rap mogul Jay-Z — Mushnick dreams up some horrible and downright racist nicknames for Brooklyn’s new NBA squad: “As long as the Nets are allowing Jay-Z to call their marketing shots — what a shock that he chose black and white as the new team colors to stress, as the Nets explained, their new ‘urban’ home — why not have him apply the full Jay-Z treatment? Why the Brooklyn Nets when they can be the New York N——s? The cheerleaders could be the Brooklyn B—-hes or Hoes. Team logo? A 9 mm with hollow-tip shell casings strewn beneath. Wanna be Jay-Z hip? Then go all the way!”

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  • Duh

    I hate to say this, but I really want a good portion of the close minded older population to just die off already.

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    WTF??? That’s a pretty stupid assessment of what Jay is all about. I’m no Jay Z fan, but he stands for more than “guns and hoes”. Jay Z represents entrepreneurialism, marketing and business to me.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com Off The Backboard

    Wait, what? How is he still employed?

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com Off The Backboard

    How did this even get past the editors? Seriously.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    cosign OTB

  • jayb

    in this day in age..this dude should be fired!!! period…hand the keys in and the door is that way!!! extremely uncalled for! i do not like the black/white theme but i would not go thought route…that is just wrong!

  • ChipS

    When you think of Jay now, you don’t think of 9mm handguns. You think of suits, money, Beyonce, and having a family and being a family man. Other cats are noticing too. Like Snoop, he’s like everybody’s favorite uncle. And Tip showed us what really goes on in his household. People retire from that old image of always being in the streets. When you got six kids like Tip or start having kids get older as you get older, all that street stuff gets old quick. (no-pun)

  • ChipS

    I cosign as well OTB.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Is it just me or has espn not reported on this yet?

  • Top$helf

    That’s racist as hell but it would be a dope @$$ name as long as it was spelled with an A not ER

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    Wow. Just wow.

  • http://slamonline.com 1982

    If you get a chance, you should read his comeback to the backlash he’s been getting.

  • FnF

    Could you imagine JVG saying, “Those N!gg@5 can really get out on the break and run. They are long… athletic… and play physical. Now Humphries is checking back into the game for Brook Lopez.” C’mon, the marketing team decided to go with wearable colors. When the Thunder sucked, it was hard to casually wear their stuff. You can wear a Spurs/Raiders hat with anything.

  • LA Huey

    I’m in favor of this as long as the Knicks officially adopt the nickname “N****r Blockers”. Should be an epic rivalry then.

  • DABIGFUNDAMENTAL

    We can laugh about anything but not with everyone… Maybe when we’ll be able to make jokes equally about anyone (race gender religion), that could mean we are over those issues. If humans are one biologically, definitely not yet culturally. Being French native in the US I hear racist jokes: we are dirty smoking cowards that have sex with animals (to my knowledge just the coward one is not true though). The guy could have made a joke about Chinese or Peruvian, probably it would have been unnoticed. If we could easily joke about any race or religion could that finally make those annoying traditional issues less significant?
    Joke was kind of offensive, especially in a Newspaper. Agreed.
    But we also live in a more and more “politically correct” era.

  • Heals

    Just can’t come up with a comment to adequately assess how much this irks me, so I’ll just have to go the insult route. I think Phil should schedule a meeting with Jay to share his thoughts on team branding. We all know Phil’s probably the type of racist that loves IR pornography and fantasizes about the “good ole’ days” of White America with all the false ideologies people of his ilk cling to in the face of their new multi-cultural reality in which Minorties make decisions/hold prominent positions…

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Gee whiz. Malfunction much.

  • Heals

    Props to all heads making comments that can let us laugh together at the expense of this old idiot…

  • LA Huey

    DABIGFUNDAMENTAL is obviously not privy to all those Jeremy Lin related “jokes”. ESPN’s “Chink In The Armor”, Whitlock’s “2 inches of pain”, and Ben & Jerry’s “Linsanity” all come to mind. Americans don’t necessarily look the other way when Chinese folk are offended.

  • MikeC.

    Shades of Imus.

  • http://slamonline.com Mars

    Give em ammo and they gon’ use it. It’s not like anything he said is not true. Hip-hop/Rap music give out these images and lyrics all the time, so don’t get mad now that an old white dude is saying these things. He has his right to his opinion. Ignorance is raceless.

  • 602Shorty

    This is the problem that arises when old white men don’t just hurry up and die. Of course, the middle aged white editors who allowed the sh*t to publish would unfortunately still have a long way to go before they ended up as fertilizer.

  • 602Shorty

    Hey Mars, I can and will get mad. Those aren’t the only images hip hop projects, and furthermore his racial slurs go beyond a musical genre so what exactly is your point? Racism is wrong whether it’s based on stereotypes or not. The only thing more ignorant than that old fool’s remarks is your attempt to dismiss the contempt people have for them. He has a right to his opinion and I have a right to mine. Sorry but contrary to your backwards thinking, old white men aren’t the only ones who get to say how they feel.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Fuccn honkys

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance21

    I just don’t understand where his “outrage” stems from. Did he really go on a racist rant because the Nets chose black and white and their uniform colors? And Mars, what did he say that was true? Its true that the Nets should be the NY Ni***s? I don’t think the “he said it, so can I” reasoning is appropriate here.

  • DankStank

    I think you guys are missing the whole point here…this guy wasn’t being racist at all, He was taking shots at Jay-Z’s rap songs and the life that he portrays through those songs, and how inappropriate it is that someone who has a song called N—-s in Paris (just one of many examples) is running an organization and making these marketing decisions..

  • http://slam nick

    There are PLENTY of racists at the NY Post but I wouldn’t count Mushnick as one…this is failed satire…

  • robb

    Maybe he was just using Jay Z’s lyrics. He uses all those words on a regular basis

  • rand33p

    drop dead

  • rand33p

    he is associating “bit$%es, h0es etc” with black culture? … yah, accurate my butt… what a senile, out of touch loser

  • rand33p

    602Shorty ‘s comment is dead on

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    I’m going to keep this short and sweet. Mushnik, the whole NY Post writing and editorial staff, along with all those who agree with him can all choke to death on a fat one. That also goes for those who try to excuse it by laying blame elsewhere.

  • Dankstank

    That’s exactly what I’m saying Robb, not anymore racist than when jay says it

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Other people molesting children does not make molesting okay. Other people saying nigga does not make saying nigga ok.
    Not sure how this logic became accepted but please stop.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Justifying stupid behavior by pointing to other people’s dubious choices makes you look like a mental midget. In case you were wondering.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    But 602 mainstream Hip Hop(which is dominant) does give the images & lyrics). Nonetheless this was beyond ignorant & I can’t believe folks are arguing it ain’t. The white folks always want to say racism doesn’t exist, etc etc. It does and the source is white people. Do they face racism? Yes but it’s not in masses and it isnt mainstreamed. White folks will always have a sense of dominance.

    They’ll say things like “Trayvon Martin was my son too” & try to be a part of what they can’t comprehend because in the end they feel they dominate.

  • http://hotmail moses

    Shit, please please someone fire his ass.

  • Canesta

    @Red, racism does still exist, but the source is not just white people. And you should be careful saying things like, “they’ll say”. That is just as ignorant as what Mushnick said. You shouldn’t assume that all white people think like that.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    Red, 602′s point went completely over your head if you read it and determined he said that those images don’t exist.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    Oh, and if you think an old white man with a history of these sentiments, who writes for a racist tabloid like the Post is no less racist than Jay-Z then you’re too stupid to even have an opinion, let alone share it. One yourselves.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    The last one wasn’t for Red.

  • riggs

    @Mars: youre about as much as an idiot as this guy is.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Oh I know & I’m not trying to take shots at 602 that was a good statement. @Canesta, you have to re-read what I said. I said white folks face racism but not in any way is it mainstreamed. The racism they face is minor. Not to say it’s ok but it’s not anything oppressive for the whole race. And I implied that I’m not generalizing a whole race & common sense says you can’t. But the majority of whites throughout history have oppressed. And white folks don’t face the hardships other races do.

  • Dankstank

    @Mars you and me Seem like the only two people here with some common sense

  • http://www.yahoo.com berkamore

    What I am getting from all this is that we can safely ignore whatever that man says or writes, it’s absolutely pointless. Just gotta make sure he never gets a position where he actually has any power. That would be a bummer.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    Meh.
    It will pass…

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Common sense? You guys are idiots lol. Bullies give kids ammo for suicide so I guess that’s cool too?

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    What an idiot. BKNets apparel is gonna sell like crazy. Matter of fact, I might go get some for my son’s B-day today. Marketing is gonna be way better than the KnickerBockerz. Give that man a senior hater pass and send him on his way.
    I do think the Russian Guy has to stay in the majority owner role.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    You can expect this kind of crap from the NY Post and most conservative/neo-con papers. Maybe not blatant like this, but it’s very well masked using words like “urban” or “inner-city” instead of “black” and “ghetto.”
    If you really channeled all your energy and time into arguing with/exposing these nut jobs, you’d have your hands full 24/7. At least you know what America still thinks about black people, though… Sorry to say. IMO while the neo-cons are bad, you’ll find that most of the time it’s the self-professed “bleeding heart” liberals who are most delusional about racism. That’s just my experience.

  • oj

    Good luck finding many rap/hip hop songs that don’t talk about guns, money, drugs, or women.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    I am willing to bet this guy has never criticized Donald Sterling in an article.

  • coggie13

    If you call yourself something piublically do not be offended when someone else also does. This is a racist rant though. He sounds like a sad fool.

  • EJ

    This kind of straightforwardness is actually kind of funny in the same way as a kick to the balls.
    Not that I agree with anything he says tho.

  • Jono

    Old people like that need to fall off the earth already.

  • Solito

    As an sports team owner in the US, you don’t want your team to polarize in a limited market. Take the Utah Jazz for example. You don’t see to many dudes (of any ethnicity) rock their Merch in any type of urban scenario. You either love or hate them.
    Same with the LA Raiders of the ’80s. As soon as NWA rocked their stuff, they were a “Gangster-Team” and so was all their Merch.
    If I was the Nets owner, the only questions would be: how can I “Chicago Bulls” my team? Do I need a Jordan Area success to do so? Bulls stuff is not limited to any one sub-culture… or country, for that matter.
    With Jay-Z, as successful he is, putting his signature on merchandise, you run the risk that his image will transcend on the whole team.
    Personally I like the simple logos, and clean cut approach the Nets put out. I’m not so sure, though, if that even applies to half the folks in New Jersey.
    I think that is the direction Mushnick was aiming for. But if you are a paid writer, you should be able to express yourself in a more tolerable way…

  • MikeC.

    I wonder if the Nets will serve Pabst Blue Ribbon at their games? I bet the new uniform shirts will have a deep v-neck. A DEEP v-neck.

  • Mike from Spain

    I might be ignorant of the issue, but for me it looks like the guy just played with Jay Z’s lyrics (maybe ignorantly). I saw it as mocking Jay Z and gangsta hip hop lyrics, and stupid because it touches too many sensitive spots. But I don’t see it as a racist attack or implying racist views. Maybe I am too charitable with the interpretation… In the same article he writes defending Amar’e and Tiger Woods. I don’t know, it does not look like a race hate rant to me.

  • Mike from Spain

    And some of you cry out against race discrimination saying that old people have to die sooner… that’s another fine bit of inclusive non discriminating discourse, topped with death wishes. Ah, the irony

  • Greg

    To me, Jay stands for:
    1) Joining the illuminati
    2) Disrespecting women (oops, I meant to say B*&%%hes, Hoes etc
    3) Using drug money to build the ROC (he talks about in his songs all the time)
    I could list more but I’m watching Frasier…

  • Brahsef

    If you think it’s all about pimpin hoes and slammin cadillac doors
    you probably a cracker, or a n***a that think he a cracker
    or maybe just don’t understand.

  • crooklyn

    Just another racist bastard looking for any “angle” to fit in his devilish way of thinking. Not surprised coming from the same rag that had the infamous Obama editorial illustration.

  • ttc

    @Brahsef: yea, I’m an outcast too…

  • dan

    oh please, as if any rich person in the usa or anywhere regardless of ethnicity would have ever gotten rich without getting his or hers hands dirty. thats just the nature of capitalism.

  • ChristianBulleN

    My grandmother is a great woman.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Again if you think other people’s stupid behavior justifies your own stupid behavior then you are a mental midget.
    Stop making stupid rationalizations for bad behavior.
    And John F. Kennedy’s daddy was a drug dealer. Bootlegging=pushing weight.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    “Not anymore racist than when Jay says it” ROFL! I love when white people get all bent out of shape because they “don’t get to” say n***a. Why do black people get to say it! That’s so unfair!

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    Teddy on point as usual. I mean, that’s really the underlying issue. And Mike from Spain, let me just say that you don’t know a damn thing. A man from one of the most racist countries on Earth, (speaking from experience), speaking on what black people should and should not be offended by is hilarious to me. Speaking on race relations in a country from which you definitely are not is pretty bold. Not surprising though.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    After reading the old dude’s article, I was appalled. After reading the comments, well, I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

  • MeloMan15

    I read somehwere that jay-z only wones about 10 % or less of the nets anyways… the fact that he thinks they chose those colors because of jay is ridiculous

  • Ldub

    I dont understand why this guy is still allowed to write for the NY post. I guess ratings are more important. I was always raised by the rule of “be careful what you say”, because I am a representation of my family, friends and others. Even though I share/express my own thoughts/opinions, I make sure to add (IMO or “that is how I feel”). Point being…IDK how this dude is still employed…especially if they mentioned this isnt the first time. And who is the editor that allowed this to be published?

  • Ldub

    AND…..for all of you who feel that Jay Z and the industry he decided to make “PART” of his career, is based on B!tches and H0es, as well as saying the N word in songs, you all are just plain ignorant. Sure he COULD use different words to express himself, but then so could ANYONE else that writes/raps or sings. Actors COULD take on different roles, Donald Trump COULD get a new hair piece. Point is, taking one aspect of someones life and trying to twist it and say “this is what the industry is all about” is totally wrong. Especially when you have a multi talented person such as Jay Z. Music, clothes, fragrances, producer, writer, owner, are some (and not all) that Jay Z is about. Well thats what he does to bring in his money….doesnt necessarily mean thats what hes ABOUT. ONLY Jay, and those closely associated to him KNOW what he is ABOUT! To even speak on what YOUR perception is is simply YOUR opinion. NOTHING MORE!

  • Wray

    Shock journalism is wack. There is a definite difference between trying to prove a point and pissing people off.

  • http://www.thesmashbrothas.com zen garden

    Since when was having money, women, and guns controversial in America?

  • Clipptown

    this guy is intense

  • http://www.thesmashbrothas.com zen garden

    Do you think Ted Nugent doesn’t have guns, money and women (albeit dirty swamp ladies with B.O and a Confederate flag tattooed on their a$$)?

  • Nigaz In Paris

    How stupid are you people? Jay z’s hit song is called nigz in paris. he talks about the brooklyn nets, calls his peeps his niggz and his women that he owns his btches. Racist? Is niggz in paris the brooklyn nets theme song? Is that Mushniks fault?

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    @Ldub no the whole MAINSTREAM Hip Hop industry is really actually all the same. AGAIN, white folks in general never face oppression that’s why they easily say ignorant stuff publicly.

  • Ldub

    @Red agreed. That is anything in the world. Any industry you get into. You can always point out the pros and cons. And depending on your lifestyle/history/past….it will/can sway your opinion/perception. Does it make it right? Hell naw. Everyone, regardless of race or gender, can see something negative with Rap music. But you can also see positive in it.

  • http://blazetelevisionnetwork.com/ Ava Gabrielle-Wise

    While the words were harsh, certainly not poetic, they ring more of a grumpy old man who is lamenting his good old days while reciting the age-old “the world is going to hell in a hand basket and this generation is leading the way”, mantra than one of a hardened racist.

    In the meanwhile, Jay-Z is going to have to deal with a new reality: Build your empire by romanticizing the lyrical vernacular of the ghetto-life, and every now and then, the chickens are going to come home to roost–just to remind you.

    http://blazetelevisionnetwork.com/blog/ny-post-writer-to-jay-z-name-the-nets-the-ns-stay-true-to-your-art-form

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Yeah I love hip hop but I know mainstream won’t ever try to give me thoughtful, appropriate hip hop. I’m not even an old head I’m a young cat but I know right & wrong.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    charliewinning…. Jay Z is racist? really? that’s what you took out of this? incredible.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    datkid… re-read his comments.

  • http://leipzig-eagles.de/ Speedy

    Mr. Mushnick is so stupid.
    Jay-Z isn’t idealising the ghetto life nor does he talk like a gangster all the time. He is an artist, that uses an artform and the language of the ghettos/ streets to tell stories about the life there.
    It’s like Mushnick questions the american dream, that everybody can achieve everything. I think he is just jealous, that a black guy can do what Jay-Z does. That makes him a racist.

  • Mike from Spain

    @charliewinning -> please tell me what did I tell people ought to feel. I haven’t got enough experience of racial issues, so please bear with me here. I only said a couple of things: that the article, although treading into sensitive territory, felt to me not as a racial ‘rant’ in intent, but rather as an attack on Jay Z and his lyrics; and that if you mean to criticize racial intolerance, you don’t set a good tone by saying ‘old white people please die’ like several people have said here. I understand it is just a reaction, but if we all just react, then what? I welcome people saying I’m wrong and I don’t know s**t, as long as it does not involve just saying ‘you come from one of the most racist countries in the world so just shut up’. That does not possibly add anything to my knowledge or to your argument. Peace, man…

  • Mike from Spain

    @Speedy -> I hadn’t seen that angle, it makes sense… I stand somewhat corrected, I thought Munchnik just found the language in the songs questionable, you imply that the fact is he doesn’t like Jay Z’s success. The way you put it, Mucnhnik is racist. Is being blind to the intent of Jay Z’s songs racism, or does racism make Munchnik blind to the intent?

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    “When white people’s power goes off, they panic…but when black people’s power goes off, they plan it!”

  • -Mas-

    hahaha

  • riggs

    @mike from spain: jay-z hasnt talked about any of that ish that this idiot points out in a long time. His most recent song was a song about his newborn daughter. If you admittedly dont have any experience with racial issues, please refrain from speaking on the matter.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    @Speedy you clearly have never been to the projects, people don’t consistently refer to girls as b**ches. Artform doesn’t justify aiding in destroying the mindset of black youth.

  • oj

    It’s nice how a lot of you try to fight racism with racism. Oh & if rap/hip hop isn’t just about drugs, women, guns & money then why is the majority of the songs based around it?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Rap music is about whatever the artist wants it to be about. How that influences you to stereotype an entire race because of it, I’ll never know, especially when the majority of people buying these records about sex and drugs are white… As well as the majority of people actually buying, selling, and using drugs.
    It’s not like other musical genres use phrases like “Sex, Drugs, & Rock ‘N Roll”… Oh wait.

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    “what a shock that he chose black and white as the new team colors”
    I don’t get this bit. Is this secretly racist, or is this something to do with all those White Sox/Raiders merch that’s B&W?

  • http://slamonline dan

    his ‘joke’ would of worked 20 years ago if Tupac had owned the Nets

    what a tool

  • Mike From Spain

    @ riggs ok, sorry if I offended anyone, not my intention… I guess I need to learn what is off-limits. I see the extent to what this issue is still alive, I never thought it was so current still nowadays.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Nobody is fighting racism with racism here, I have no intent of degrading any one race by my comments. Teddy are u kidding me…drug sells are at high rates throughout black donated communities but yes white folk buy the music but black folks bootleg it lol.

  • awkwardAARON

    because with a name like the BROOKLYN N***AS .
    kris humphries can’t play.

  • EJ

    The majority owner is Mikhail, so why not just call them Red Army and get red uniforms?

  • http://chicagotribune.com Diesel

    Tarzan Cooper – u can go f#ck yourself. and all u ‘anti racism fighters’ on this site who conveniently ignore all the anti white comments can go f#ck yourselves .

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    LOL@Diesel, you seem upset. Tarzan is an idiot, but you wack if you think Whites face racism in masses.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    Diesel you go f-yourself. Sh#t seemed really funny when the jokes around here revolved around black people and the word n*gger. Racist pieces of sh*t had nothing to say until everyone started mentioning whites…Mike From Spain: It takes a lot of arrogance for someone to comment on what is and isn’t racist when you have zero experience or context to validate your opinion. 90% of the time people speak on black/white isssues it’s someone telling black people what is and isn’t racist towards them. It always gets turned around. F everyone with that attitude, especially all y’all here. The Spain thing touched a nerve. My four years living there didn’t help. My mom is a black Dominican. The history of anti-black sentiments in Latin countries, a direct result of Spanish influence, hits home because of what she experienced before she immigrated from DR. You’ll have to excuse me if I had no respect for your perspective on this issue.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    ^

  • EJ

    ^Kind of ironic that you just said that Mike From Spain or whoever can’t tell you when not to get offended, and now you get mad at Diesel for getting offended.
    I don’t know who gets offended by “Fuccn honkys”, but I guess Diesel does.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    EJ: Like many people often do, you misused the term irony. It was neither ironic nor hypocritical, since I never told him what he should and shouldn’t get offended by. I told him to go f himself on the basis that he was upset by the anti-white jokes, while mentioning nothing about the n*gger jokes above. He can get as offended as like about the white jokes. I can tell him to go f himself. Got that?

  • Brad09

    as long as they have that skidmark as a logo i dont think it matters. There gnna suck for 8 years and then move, hopefully jay will realize he has no business in any of this and give up

  • EJ

    OK, I guess you’re right.

  • http://chicagotribune.com Diesel

    My firt try didn’t post so here it goes again: @charliewinning – I didn’t comment on any of the black jokes because no one on this site was saying anything stupid. I can’t control what the media says, but we as commenters can somewhat control what goes down in these threads..you black piece of sh*t. And if you get angry at me calling you a black piece of sh*t then you know what I feel like when someone calls me a honkey. And if you get angry and tell me to go f*ck myself, apparently its ok for me to tell you f*ck you for being angry like you did to me.

  • http://chicagotribune.com Diesel

    And I ccommented because anytime anything on this site is remotly anti-black or ant-asian or ant-latino, Allen and everyone else is up in arms. But this is multiple times now that someone says honkey, or dumb@ss white boys and no one says a damn thing.

  • http://chicagotribune.com Diesel

    And lastly, If some troll whose name I don’t recognize says something, I largely let it go because I understand all they want is attention. But when a regular commenter like Tarzan says something stupid, then yes, I get offended and say something. Regardless of what race they say it about.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    I don’t understand how or why this discussion is any more complicated then”this guy is racist f*ck him” I also don’t understand that one comment charliewinning made, it felt poorly worded, but whatever.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    I know right @kid. But @Diesel you a lame son lol in the end whites don’t face oppression but act like they can label it.

  • http://chicagotribune.com Diesel

    Where did I say I face oppression??? All I’m saying is if we really want to keep the ignorant racist statements out of this site let’s do it across the board and not selectively ignore dumb ass comments

  • Mike From Spain

    @ charliewinning -> sorry if I came across as lecturing you on what to feel about stuff. I did however say that if people complain about a racist joke, and then go on to say all old white people must go and die, well, that looks a wee bit inconsistent to say the least. I can’t care less about these jokes, I don’t feel offended, it just amuses me. But I never intended to say you or the people on the receiving end of racist jokes don’t have the right to be angry. Anyway, I apologize if you felt offended. BTW, I have some Dominican friends, cool dudes, amazing the dance culture that they have. They have long tried to teach me some merengue to no success.

  • Dungeon Family

    comments turned it a KKK convention I see

    as usual white kids trying to figure out My Black culture

    Sorry to break it to ya’ll but If you don’t Live it Don’t speak on it

  • Mike From Spain

    Hell, it’s late and I am phrasing things very poorly. OK, second try: answering to Charliewinning -> the anti-old white folk jokes don’t offend me. It’s amusing that someone might complain against racism and then make a racist sounding joke… that’s where I see unintended irony.

  • Mike From Spain

    @ Dungeon -> you are right, judging an experience without having gone through it is liable to all sorts of pitfalls. On the other hand, I guess that some of us white folk try to understand, sorry if the lack of perspective or experience made some people here angry, I for one didn’t want to upset or insult anyone.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    Oh your pasty pale *ss didn’t find anything wrong with the NY N*ggerbockers joke? It’s because you’re a typical racist pig like the Post “writer”, so once again drop dead. F you and the b*stards who gave their DNA to create your waste of a human life. You f*ckers think it’s all good to joke about blacks, but when people talk about your kind you want to get upset? Eat a fat one. You think that just because you sit behind your tv rooting for a basketball team dominated your less racist? I don’t respect your life on the strength that you pretend that you aren’t what you are: another worthless racist pig. Even a kkk member has the balls to say who he is. Off yourself, Diesel.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    *dominated by blacks

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    @Mike From Spain: Respect for being able to understand a point of view different from your own.

  • http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/index unf*ckwitable

    Um all those things are associated with Jay Z, That aint racist, its honest, Jay is a self proclaimed killer isnt he?

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    Calling the players of the Brooklyn Nets n*ggers is honest? FOH with that bullsh*t.

  • http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/index unf*ckwitable

    I can see how some get offended by that but i dont think it was done as a race thing, its just palying with words the regurlarly come out of Jays mouth when he raps.

  • http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/index unf*ckwitable

    “where my brooklyn n’ggas at”. Maybe he doesnt like the lyrics and its a shock tactic, the words he used, Hoes,b*tches and n*ggas are three words associated with rap that usually receive the most negativity or maybe he is just racist, im not familiar with the writer so i dont no but its hard to believe the new york post would let that get through without asking him to explain it.

  • http://chicagotribune.com Diesel

    Stay black Charlie.

  • http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/index unf*ckwitable

    @Teddy the bear, I love it when a black person gets all bent out of shape cause a white person said the N word then theyll turn around and call there friend,brother,cousin, husband the same word as a term of endearment. Im not racist and would never use that word but that sh*t doesnt make sense imo. I got a feeling i may get butchered for this comment anyway.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    Drop dead Diesel. Literally. Go have an MI or CVA… Unf*ckwitable with the classic pig response. The day some white person doesn’t mean anything racial by using the term n*gger to describe black folks is the day pigs fly. I love it when some white gets bent outta shape because he/she gets called out on being a racist pig, and then tries to turn around and claim that the reason it was used was because they were so offended by a rapper calling fellow black people N#gger. You m#therf*ckas kill me. First off, you don’t know sh*t about the NY Post. Secondly, I can assure you black people neither need nor want the fake *ss outrage of racist whites to teach us the error of our ways when it comes to language.

  • http://chicagotribune.com Diesel

    Charlie if I kill myself who will pay for ur welfare check?

  • http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/index unf*ckwitable

    lol keep up the struggle charlie, ur an idiot.

  • http://slamonline.com it

    “I see as usual white kids trying to figure out My Black culture Sorry to break it to ya’ll but If you don’t Live it Don’t speak on it” <– This is hilarious.
    You can listen to AC/DC with me whenever you want. I don't "live it" and I don't expect you to either.

  • http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/index unf*ckwitable

    I love love it when some black person flips out on an internet forum and tries to explain how everything said and done by white people has racist undertones if its not flat out overtly racist.

  • http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/index unf*ckwitable

    Now as i said imo this is either some ill thought out satire gone wrong or some kind of protest thing against music lyrics and all that. But i guess it is possible the the NY post just wanted to show they world they dont like black people.

  • http://slamonline.com it

    Everyone just needs to stop chastising what this man said. You don’t know and can’t relate to what his old, white ass has been through. Don’t try to understand it.

  • LeBrOn 4 MvP!

    yo yo yO, YaL Dont know what its like yall know what i mean, let the man speak man, you come to my hood we’ll show you whatsup you feel me?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OhGZNLPSOY&feature=related Allenp

    Third time.
    Using other people’s stupid behavior to justify your own stupid choices is dumb.
    This is true for black people like me, and white people like Tarzan and Diesel. That’s right, Tarzan is white.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OhGZNLPSOY&feature=related Allenp

    I can’t believe how many of y’all turn to race based insults when you’re upset. It’s hilarious.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Right Allen I feel like we just crashed a neo Nazi convention in here lol. You’ll find good & bad people in every race but as far as everything in its entirety goes, white folks don’t face mass racism but yet still say something racist followed by but I have black friends.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Red (9:54 am): It might seem that way, but the truth is, the rate of drug use (i.e. the % of people who use drugs) is about the same for every race. This means black people, who make up 13% of the population, account for only about 13% of all drug users. Which means that the overwhelming majority of people who use, buy, and sell drugs are WHITE, NOT BLACK.
    There are a variety of reasons as to why black people are so disproportionately imprisoned compared to white people, mostly for non-violent drug offenses, but the main reason is pretty easy to figure out…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    If you catch my drift.
    Second @ everyone: This REALLY needs to be cleared up once and for all. There is NO SUCH THING AS REVERSE RACISM, BECAUSE IT DOESN’T EXIST. Racism is institutional–it doesn’t matter whether or not you personally hate or love black/brown/whatever people, what matters are the institutions of society (government, education, prisons, etc.) and how race is handled by those institutions.
    So when black people stereotype or discriminate against white people, it’s hurtful and insensitive, but it usually ends at that. When white people stereotype or discriminate against black people, you have things like the “War on Drugs” where 70% of all people imprisoned for drug crimes are black, even though blacks only make up 13% of all drug users in the country. You have things like the death penalty, where 42% of the inmates on death row are black; as well, black people make up 50% of all murder victims, yet 80% of the victims in death penalty cases are white, while only 14% are black. It’s crystal clear whose life the law values more…
    If you seriously think there’s such thing as “reverse racism,” then you’re essentially saying that a few insensitive remarks = 500+ years of racism, imperialism, and discrimination that continue even today! Think about that logic for a second. I’m not saying it’s right to use racial slurs against white people, but the context is NOT the same whatsoever, especially when using the N word. (personally I also hate the term “N-word,” lol).

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Funny someone should bring up welfare…
    For the majority of its existence, welfare has been a white-only program. Hate to burst bubbles but welfare was created solely for whites. News flash: blacks were denied all their rights 35 years ago and prior. One of those rights was access to welfare. It was only by the end of a grisly African-American Civil Rights Movement did poverty-stricken African-Americans finally become eligible for welfare along with whites.
    ^ I copy pasted this last bit of info ’cause it was too good to reiterate. Something to think about, not just Diesel.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Last thing: Charlie gets it. Good stuff, my dude.

  • http://Chicagotribune.com Diesel

    Teddy look up percentage of welfare use by race. Then look up percentage of race distribution across the US and then do the math. Don’t know if ur wikipedia page gave u that info.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    Diesel, you wish trailer park. That welfare idea makes you more comfortable, and I absolutely love the idea of being the black guy that makes pigs like you uncomfortable. Self-imployed small business owner, pig. My federal taxes contribute to your handouts. Mad because the internet is the only place you feel safe saying sh#t like that to blacks? It’s hilarious because you’re pissed that you’d never have the balls to say anything like this to any black man’s face. Kill yourself. Unf#ckwitable: Your unoriginal swagless punk #ss couldn’t even come up with a decent screen name without jacking it from another person of color. You’re an idiot. What rock do you live under that you know nothing about the Post? You’re either too stupid to tie your shoes or your too young to be speaking about anything at all, including basketball. Protesting the lyrics, fool? Your granddaddy was so concerned about blacks degrading themselves that he called other blacks n#ggers? Go play in traffic. I hope this thread is a lesson to all of you Slam butt buddies. Your little internet friends are no different that the racist pigs anywhere else. Just because they sit around watching black basketball players dribble and shoot doesn’t mean they aren’t disgusting and ignorant.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    Let’s not go there with percentages. You want to get scared while looking at race based percentages? Go to the FBI website and look up the most gruesome crimes by race. Pedophiles, serial killers, etc. I mean, I’m not going to stoop to your below scum level and start generalizing since it’s very specifically white people like you that I hate, but if you think that white men are somehow God’s gift to this planet then you definitely don’t live on Earth. I don’t hate all whites at all, but if every last one of them who thought like you died the world would be a bette place.

  • http://Chicagotribune.com Diesel

    Charlie the angry black man. Way to prove those stereotypes wrong. Haha…did u ask me to say this to ur face? Are we gonna fight? Tell whoever is reading and writing this for u to take a break cause ur sounding stupid.

  • http://Chicagotribune.com Diesel

    And I’ll gladly be a self employed pig supporting my family and u. It’s a better alternative than always wondering who I need to rob next to make ends meet like yourself.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Teddy
    Actually, white males between 18-34 have the highest rate of drug use in the nation.
    Far higher than black males of the same age.
    However, black males are more likely to sell drugs, AND more importantly, more likely to be arrested for narcotics possession and distribution and sentenced to harsher sentences.
    This is due to discrimination in the justice system and the focus on policing in black neighborhoods.
    All the stats say drug use is more prevalent among white folks, but the police don’t typically focus on catching white offenders. New York’s stop and frisk statistics are a prime example.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Charlie
    The only thing slightly surprising here was how quickly the racial slurs came out as insults on both sides.
    The sentiments expressed by everyone in here pretty much coincide with what they’ve said in the past.
    Y’all just haven’t been paying attention.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    I think I’ve just reached my point of trying to reason with certain people. I can have civilized conversations with people, or I can return a racist comment for another. Whichever way the person wants to go is fine with me. And really, I’ve reached my fill of hearing excuse after excuse for why more black people arent successfull. If ANYONE isn’t successful its because they’re a loser. Lazy and a loser. I’m sick of hearing about institutionalized racism and so on and so on. Charlie didn’t expose anyone. I’m not friends with anyone here and couldn’t care less about what anyone thinks. I have respect for hard-working, smart people. Whatever color they are. And I have respect for those people that show respect. Allen, I may not like you, but you’ve always been fairly respectful with me on here so I try and do the same. Charlie isn’t, so I won’t be either.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    Allenp: I called him and others pigs. Care to elaborate on the racial slur on my part? I’m not the turn the other cheek kind of black man. I don’t really give two sh#ts about being perceived as angry. He compared my skin color to the color of fecal matter. I emphasized the lack of melanin in his white skin. How are they the same?
    Diesel: Yes, internet Klansmen are cowards. You aren’t any different. I’d love to meet the white boy bold enough to say any of this ish to my face, or any other black man’s face without the police standing between us. The funny thing is, the only thing either of us know as fact about the other is that you’re a soft #ss E-White Supremacist. Your insults are more amusing than anything because you’re exposing yourself.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    You think anyone cares about your respect, pig? I don’t even care about your life as a human being, let alone whether or not you show me respect on a blog. You get what you give. I don’t care about being the acceptable black guy around here. The day someone like you feels comfortable with me is the day I basically spit on my ancestors legacy.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Alright tough guy, I think you’ve wasted enough of my valuable time. Go back to being a drain on society and a waste of life. You keep being mad at the world and blaming everyone else for you being a loser. I’m done

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    If being a small business owner is a drain on society I’ll gladly take that title. My fam lives comfortably, and best of all I don’t have to answer to the likes of you. You keep being a leech on our culture and being jealous that your woman would most likely prefer me over you.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think “pasty pale a)ss” qualifies as a slur.
    And I not upset with you or Diesel or anyone else. And it was unlikely that any sort of consensus was every going to be reached no matter how the points were presented. I’ve been there and done that. Folks have entrenched beliefs that they are invested in believing. You’re not changing that, only God can change that in my opinion.
    But, personally, I think turning to insults and slurs is just childish and revealing. I mean, when if you call women “b)itches) whenever you get upset with them, or homosexuals “f(ags) when you get upset with them, there is a problem. Same thing is true about the slurs for black folks and white folks and every one else.
    The purpose of using those words is to wound and insult. Which gives lie to the whole farce that these words don’t really have that much power and are no big deal. When we want to insult, demean and hurt someone we turn right back to the old faithful words that we constantly like to say are no big deal.
    It’s interesting to me. I’m not totally above it, but I am working on it because my personal belief in God has led me to understand that certain practices are a problem.
    But that’s just me.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t think the goal should be being “acceptable.” I just try not to do things I wouldn’t want people to do to me. Golden Rule.
    But that’s a personal belief system. Some folks see it as weak, I don’t. It’s really not a big deal. This is the internet. In some ways it’s good to see how people’s minds work in order to get a sense of what guides their opinions, but in other ways, having a flame war is kind of pointless. Been there, done that.

  • EJ

    @Diesel: It costs a sh!tload of money to get an education in America, so hasn’t it occured to you that in an education system like that you’re pretty much buying your future?
    Now guess who are richer in general, whites or blacks?
    …do you get it already?

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    You’re entitled to your opinion. I have extremely different views. When someone has a problem with a group of people because he/she is a racist, I really couldn’t care less about a Golden rule. I love who loves me, hate who hates me. I do both passionately, and without remorse. My commenting was initially aimed at the racists and hypocrites who saw no problem with the tabloid writer’s words. I took issue with the fact that some white dude thought it was okay to joke about “n#ggers” while getting angry at the white jokes. The black jokes are funny? Fine, I’ll do white jokes. What’s good for the goose should be good for the gander. If someone tries to tell me racial slur jokes towards whites are more offensive than the ones directed at black people, I’ll flame him accordingly. I do agree that the internet provides certain types of people with a forum to voice the kinds of opinions they hadn’t the courage to voice in person. The rest of you certainly have more experience navigating your “online friendships”, but I tend to comment on here the way I would if a similar conversation had taken place in person.

  • EJ

    I think it’s fair to call that institutionalized racism, even tho it touches many whites too.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @EJ – Public school is free. And community colleges are inexpensive. And you can always take out student loans. You’re not going to get me with the school is expensive line. Like I’ve said before on here, I’m the child of European immigrants that came to America without speaking the language and with barely any money. They managed to make it just fine. And you don’t need an expensive education to do manual labor. If someone really wants to be successful and pushes themselves they can be. But the problem today is that most people grew up having everything handed to them…either by their parents or the government. They didn’t have to fight like our parents did. So now they waste their energy complaining. That’s white and black people. There’s trash of every race. Charlie is a prime example of that.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ charlie: Did you used to post under the name “Zoom”? I’m almost positive it’s you, because there were similar conversations a long while ago (maybe 2-3 years?) on here. I always wondered where you went because I liked your posts. Also because I was a total liberal, whitewashed bullsh!tter back then, and now I’ve been slowly but surely decolonizing my mind. For lack of a better term.
    Is my memory good or what, though? Hah.

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    Nah, but I definitely been reading the comments here about four to five days a week for over a year now. I commented a few times but I mainly just enjoyed reading the Post-Up and the debates there. I never read a brainwashed comment from you though lol. You pretty much equally apply the same logic towards all groups of people, something you don’t get enough credit for. Respect.

  • schmeeboo

    Ironically, the owner of the Nets is an even bigger stereotype– Russian Oligarch with serious connections to the mob. Just imagine if Mushnick offended him?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    oh lol, alright then. Thanks man, respect to you too.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It’s funny that you think we have online friendships. I wouldn’t say that. I think that some cats seem like decent people, have interesting point of views, and I interact with them electronically.
    And I think you are smart to decide how you want to carry yourself. I did the whole “Attack the racist” bit a long time ago. Try to prove to people using facts exactly what’s going on. I got tired of butting my head against the same wall. So now, I say stuff when I feel like it, but I remember that a LOT of people don’t really want to be hip to what’s going on, and will ignore facts if they don’t fit their narrative.
    Also, I just don’t get much satisfaction from hurling insults across cyberspace.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    To be clear, I believe firmly in institutionalized racism and discrimination. I think the meritocracy myth is one of the biggest loads of crap in the world. I think bigotry comes in many colors, racism in American comes in one. And I think most folks don’t really have any interest in unpacking this countries economical and social history to find out exactly why some groups of people succeed more often then others.
    So basically, online interactions mirror in person interactions except the anonymity of the internet makes it easier for people to hurl insults back and forth.
    Which is sad.

  • http://abcnews.com charlewinning

    I don’t disagree with anything you said there.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Ready for takeoff…
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  • http://www.nba.com Red

    I assume teddy is like 30.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    lol, why?

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