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Thursday, May 31st, 2012 at 9:30 am  |  109 responses

Paul Pierce: Celtics’ Game 2 Loss ‘Demoralizing’


by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

The Boston Celtics threw their best punch at the Miami Heat last night, and in the end, it simply wasn’t enough.

The Heat survived a legendary performance from Rajon Rondo (44 points, 10 assists, 8 rebounds), solid contributions from Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce, and yes, benefitted from the referees’ whistles (Miami took 47 free throws, to Boston’s 29.)

Everyone on the Boston side of the argument was enraged, but Paul Pierce put it best when he called the overtime loss in Game 2 “demoralizing.”

From Yahoo! Sports:

The general manager of the Boston Celtics was trying to understand how LeBron James could get to the free-throw line those 24 times, and so Danny Ainge stood in the hallway recreating a clear-path foul call to the NBA’s vice president of referee operations, Joe Borgia. Ainge slid his feet, and tried to show how the Celtics defender had reached around to the Miami Heat star, how they were far too close to the rim for that call. “How?” Ainge asked him.

Ainge was persistent, polite and Borgia finally relented that he’d watch the film of the Heat’s 115-111 Game 2 overtime victory. “I’m sure we missed five or six calls somewhere,” Borgia said.

The Celtics were livid with the officials, yes, but mostly they were so, so angry with themselves. All those second and third chances they gave the Heat, when they needed a defensive rebound, a loose ball. “Demoralizing,” Paul Pierce said.

Celtics head coach Doc Rivers did the only thing he could following the crushing defeat — he told his team to suck it up, move on, and try to salvage this series in Games 3 and 4 back home in Beantown.

That sounds a whole lot easier said than done.

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  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance21

    That clear path foul was pure BS. LeBron did shoot a ton of free throws, but other than the clear path, I can’t really think of any that he didn’t earn. I do know that Rondo earned a few that didn’t get called. With all that being said, Boston was still in position to win the game, the lack of size down low hurt a lot.

  • http://dennysisforwinners.blogspot.com DennysFishTacos

    I have a feeling the refs are going to lean towards Celtics the next two games and then let them play it out in the last 3 games. That’s the way it should be after the past two games, at least. Whatever, though. End of an era, maybe. That non-call when Dwyane Wade leveled Rondo changed the game last night. Celts would have had the chance to stretch the lead, but HEAT were given an open-in-transition basket instead. That was the game-changer in the end.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Wah.

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    That foul call on Rondo in the 4th when he and Lebron were diving for the loose ball was also ridiculous, and saps your will.

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    Their group-efficacy is going to be way down after last night. Did anyone else feel really sad seeing Allen have the break against Wade and have no confidence that he’d get the shot up? Dude must be so frustrated with his body right now.

  • Heals

    Someone pass the purple drink and hit the screw music…

  • Heals

    Keep it coming E, cause unless your boys finish the job in the Finals that’s all you’ll be left saying…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I don’t cry. Bi*ch fans do. If the Heat don’t finish, it ain’t going to be that there’s a team better in their conference. Celtic fans should shut the f*ck up forever though, cause their route to the title in 2008 was filled with historically bullsh*t and foul fests that they got away with. When they got back and lost to the Lakers, the same preening fans cried like women when they lost and blamed it on Perk not playing Game 7. GTFOH.

  • nick

    i like this eboy guy. :P there is nothing worse than fans crying about the refs. it all is relative, the officiating sucks, sometimes you get hosed, sometimes the other team gets hosed. it all evens out. suck it up and move on.

  • Mike Mihalow

    I’m no Celtics fan, but these bad calls are getting unnecessary. Stern might as well just cancel the Spurs/Thunder series, and promote New Orleans to the Finals, so they can get beaten by the Heat.

  • vtrobot

    Thank you, Rajon Rondo. D. Wade was like a ninja. heeeee-YAAAAH! The reason that it’s pleasing to be a C’s fan is because, if they end up going down 0-3, they’ll play game 4 like they played last night’s. Nice game from Rio too. He was the difference. Peace.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    There have been some BS calls for Miami but in the end you gotta just keep being aggressive and not be too emotional. Play your game and regardless they had a chance to win.

  • Riggs

    when even the ESPN replays show theyre getting screwed by the refs, you cant say fans are crying. Only person who wouldnt cry about the refs ARE heat fans. f*ck outta here.

  • http://slamonline.com samoaninlondon

    idiots had a lead too – if they win game three it could be a turn around but if not im predicting a sweep.

  • Heals

    “Hey Pot my name is kettle and I think you’re black.” Wow, that’s cute, why don;t you op in that 06′ Finals tape and watch DW3 get to the line at a historical rate. First off your whole argument is inaccurate at best and even if it were true that logic (or lack thereof) could be applied even more accurately to the Heat and Mavs from 06′ and then last year. Funny so the C’s had it easy, yet your boys dodged Rose and Bulls and got a hobbled C’s team on their last legs, coming off a 7 game series with 1 day of rest. Enjoy swimming in the shallow end tough guy…

  • Heals

    Most the heads commenting on the calls aren’t even C’s fans, I didn’t say shht about the refs and grown men using emoticons is well you know…

  • MVP23100

    Wow it’s some hoemotional stuff going on in here take the loss suck it up move on bad calls were made both ways

  • nick

    :P thank you healzzzz, we are all kids at heart, friend. lolz

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance21

    The whole “both teams get bad calls so it evens out” logic is BS. The refs need to do better, point blank.

  • Nate C

    not a Heat fan, but its basketball, refs have made bad calls since the original King Kong came out, move on Boston

  • Layzie

    Bad calls or not, Boston had their chance to win the game. They were up 15 at one point. Miami missed most of their free throws anyways so it kind of even out. Chalmers kept them in the game. I’m not a Rondo fan but dude was ballin last night. It seemed like everything he shot up went in. I don’t see him having another great shooting night like that again. Boston may get one game at home but Miami got this series.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    There were bad calls.
    I thought that Rondo non-foul was egregious at the end of the game. I agreed with the call on the loose ball. Rondo rolled into Bron’s legs. That’s the easiest way to get a call.
    Heat go to the rim more than the Celtics so they are going to create more contact. Plus they were at home and research has shown that foul calls typically favor the home team.
    Either way, the Celts got the Heat to shoot 27 percent in the first quarter, were up by like 15 at one point, and then the Heat played better defense, the Celtics stopped hitting the glass and no one else raised their play like Rondo when it mattered.
    That’s why they lost.

  • http://WWW.BENNY.COM BIG MONEY

    IF YOU HAVE A 15 POINT LEAD AND BLOW IT DON’T BLAME THE REFS YOU DESERVE TO LOSE

  • http://slamonline.com raylan

    yeah, there are reasons why they lost, but you can’t deny the fact that non-call on rondo’s drive had a huge impact in the result.

  • http://slamonline.com TBRK

    C’s have absolutely zero bench presence… no Bradley no chance, starters played about as well as can possibly be epxected against Heat D…..Rondo, lets not even go there- its no one better than him at his position right now…still not enough

  • LA Huey

    co-sign Allenp.
    I even kinda wanted the Celtics to pull this game out just to extend the series so Bosh can heal before the Finals. I mean, if Rondo shooting like Ray Allen in his prime is how the Celtics keep the game close, they aren’t going to win this series anways.

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    co sign allenp

  • Mischief

    You seriously think Boston was gonna keep a 15 point lead in the 1st Q. The MIA run was inevitable. They’re supposed to have the 2 best players in the league, right?. Boston fought, MIA fought back and the Refs got in a few licks.

  • Feez_22

    I hate when superstars have wasted games like this… this is like when lebron scored 49 in game 1 of the 2009 NBA Conference Finals and lost. When your star player (rondo in this case) is giving it everything he has yet you still can’t pull out a win… How do the celtics regroup from this? This is the worst game the heat have played since game 3 versus the pacers yet still win (ref help or not). as a celtic… how do u regroup from this? 1 day rest off of a overtime game where your all star rondo had 2 play 53/53 minutes to even stay competitive… This doesn’t look good guys. btw, as CDaTyrant said in the post up of this gm, this reminded me of cavs/celtics game 2 of the 2010 conf semis. The only difference is that lebron had wade, chalmers, haslem instead of mo/jamison/varejao. It almost went the same way. Lebron had an avg game then (as he did last night… ya 34-10-7 but he was avg to me), rondo had a superb game (I believe a 29pt triple double) and the celts were up by like 20 for a while. The difference is the heat had guys that can respond and the cavs really didn’t. refs aside, this is why team matters.

  • Heals

    RayRay missing the 8footer off the screen and KG missing the turn around on Bron in the paint at the end of the 4th were the plays I thought coulda sealed it up. They didn’t so it’s 0-2, that’s just way it goes C’s fans…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Mischief
    If you are the road team, the formula is build a big lead, maintain it somewhat through the runs, then try to finish strong.
    The Celtics gave back a big chunk of their lead in the second quarter and then continued that slide in the third when the Heat just outworked them. They made some runs later and showed a lot of grit. But remember, the reason they had a chance to go to overtime was because of missed free throws by the Heat and Wade’s ridiculously stupid decision to gamble for a steal instead of playing solid defense late in the shot clock.
    It wasn’t like the refs choked the life out of the Celtics. They regularly displayed their flaws and those flaws were worse than Miami’s.
    Seriously, how many wide open three pointers did the Celtics allow? How many offensive rebounds. The Heat were actually fouling the Celtics a lot early in quarters but instead of remaining active, they settled for jumpers. Create contact and get in the bonus!
    They had to play Rondo damn near the entire game! Pietrus sucked, fouling on jumpers. Brandon Bass sucked, never asserted himself. Garnett didn’t dominate on the block like he should have.
    The Celtics have tons of things other than the refs to point to, but they ALSO can complain about the refs. Unfortunately, everybody seems to be pretending like the Celtics did everything right and the refs hosed them.

  • bike

    The open path foul should be eliminated. Complete nonsense.

  • http://www.yahoo.com The Fury

    Celts had the chance, but they blew it away.

  • T-Money

    you can’t just look at the boxscores to see if the game was called fairly. who else gets to the rim for boston besides rondo?

  • Heals

    No bench equals tough to hold leads. It’s all good E, I know you don’t wanna touch my Mav’s-Heat comparison…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And don’t forget giving up that monster game to Chalmers or all people.
    He was getting layups on pick and rolls. The help defense was pitiful against everyone not named Bron or Wade. If the Heat had more cats who could shoot and attack off the bounce it would have been worse.
    Brandon Bass is giving them almost nothing at this point. And Pietrus is damn near a liability.

  • crooklyn

    co-sign AllenP. P.S got that free issue of SLAM at Bobbito and Kevin Colieaus’ outdoor screening of “Doin’ It In The Park” and suggest everyone go see it if you get a chance. PEACE

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And Wade score two points in the first half! Two points, and the Celtics were only up by like 7 I think.
    If you hold Wade to two points, and you have Bron shooting a regular person percentage, you have to take advantage. Choke out the Heat’s life.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Also, to bring this point out. In three of the four quarters in regulation, Wade scored a total of 3 points.
    Think about that for a second.
    In the first, second and fourth quarters combined he had THREE points!
    Not only does that mean the Celtics squandered some golden opportunities, it also makes you wonder what would have happened if LeBron did that.

  • Ldub

    Ive said it before and I’ll say it again. The injuries are killing the Celtics. Rondo played every second and scored 40+…still almost got a trip dub and they lost. Why? Because Ray Allen doesnt have the ability to get to 17 points. PP isnt as effective, especially with a bunch of fouls, Garnett isnt in the post anymore, and although he was knocking down the jumpers, Hes gotta get some easier buckets in the paint. I cant really knock anything Rondo did. Dude basically played a perfect game. And if he can hit that mid range jumper consistently throughout a year. No reason that kid cant drop a 25-10-9/8 a night!
    Watching the game, it appeared the Celtics kinda gave up when the Heat put on their push. They went away from the trap against Wade and James (which allowed them to initially get the big lead they had). Ray Allen got wet up for 6 straight points guarding Wade 1 on 1. and it was all down hill from there. Celtics had perfect game plan to beat the Heat and for whatever reason (dont blame the refs)…they stopped in the second half, and it was the Wade and James show all over again. Kudos to Chalmers for keeping them close and major props to Rondo for having the absolute heart of a warrior and champion.

  • Key_34

    The problem with Rondo not getting calls is because of his reputation with refs. Did he not think staring down the ref in the first half wouldn’t come back to bite him? The fact the Celts didn’t shot a a good percentage from the field on their possessions (mostly jumpers) made less chances the refs could call fouls also. Doc should talk to his players about taking stupid fouls early in 1st/2nd halfs. Causes the Heat to be in Bonus early and creates more 1 and 1′s.

  • Sparker

    there were poor calls, but funnily enough, i thought one of the worst… before rondo took one in the head… was when he put that bear hug on lebron and it was called a jump ball. anyway, i have to say the bigger stories, for me, was what we were seeing had to say about what lies ahead. the celtics have no bench and only kg as an interior presence…. and he’s going up against “bigs” like shane battier. and the heat just dribble the damn ball too much, are missing their freebies and played much of that game with a bizarre lack of passion. all makes me realize that even with the lakers out, i still want the east to win… and our dudes aren’t giving me a lot of confidence

  • Sizzle

    LMAO at the individual referring to the slap on the head as “Wade leveled Rondo.”

  • Key_34

    *Celts DID shoot a good % from field* my bad

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance21

    @Sizzle that was pretty funny. I think its really the matchups that are hurting the C’s. Miami is playing Bron and Haslem at the 4 and 5 and it hurts the C’s. They went small to match up and bron went to the offensive glass and got at least 2 putbacks and that crucial rebound at the end of regulation. They put Bass back in and Wade crossed him up on the pick and roll and caught that And 1 on KG. It’s really a lose/lose situation if the guards can’t help rebound.

  • Ldub

    oh yeah and Rondo should never ever ever be matched up with Wade or Bron in the post! EVER!

  • toinefan88

    damn damn damn!

  • http://abcnews.com charliewinning

    Boston let this one go. Blame the refs all you want but Rondo was their only real shot, even though that foul on him was clearly bogus. I expect them to win one in Boston but I’d be shocked if they pull out another.

  • AQWORD

    Shoulda, Woulda , Coulda . Brons just destroyin cats on the inside. All you chumps predicting Boston to win this series in 5 etc. Your trip s about to end in 2 more games. Wake up like the blunt gettin smoked.

  • http://www.crappyrappers.com Simon Caine

    The worst call was Wade’s and-one. Kicking has no place in basketball. And then the corny stare down afterwards like he didn’t just kick him to stop from getting his shot blocked. Wade stinks.

  • baller305

    rondo,p.p.,garnett kill yourself

  • http://hpusports.com 2 chainz

    Simon Caine, wade stinks? Don’t hate on greatness. Man has a ring and a finals MVP. Don’t act like Garnett doesn’t cheap shot people all the time and tries to act like he didn’t do anything.

  • http://www.crappyrappers.com Simon Caine

    2 Chainz, that was 6 years ago. Before Lebron came, it was routine 1st and 2nd round exits and that 17-win season. That ring came with Shaq in the last year of his prime and 3 other HOF players. His game is overrated. KG is the king of cheap shots, but Wade gets his in too. Lebron gets called out for showboating and taunting but D-Wade is worse in my opinion.

  • Ldub

    ^hence the tech he got for elbowing JJ! lol then get the audacity to hold his hands straight up!

  • Ldub

    Simone…what point are you making?…what does Lebron and Wade have to do anything with Oneal and Wade? Overrated? Do you even watch basketball? Give me 5 people in the L that can do what Wade can. Outside of Kobe, Lebron, Rose and maybe westbrook….you arent going to find another player like him. Please make accurate statements and not just biased opinions! And the “kick” didnt appear to be intentionally…like it was a “cheap shot”! If youre in the air and you get hit up top…your bottom half goes from under you. If Garnett didnt push his elbow…he probably wouldnt have gotten kicked in the leg. And since we are talking about cheap shots. Define cheap? (INSERT PICTURE OF KEVIN GARNETT)!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Man that 15 win Miami team was horrible. And Wade missed 31 games. Here are the guys who played the most games….in order.
    .
    . Ricky Davis – 82
    . Mark Blount – 69
    . Jason Williams – 67
    . Chris Quinn – 60
    . Daquan Cook – 59
    . Dwyane Wade – 51

    -
    Now please, use your brain and explain how a team that is THAT healthy is supposed to be competitive?
    .
    And then look at Dwyane Wade’s numbers and stats (and wins on a healthy team….like the 2009-10 Heat who was basically a D-League – go ahead and look – team and he still managed to win 47 games)
    .
    The dude is arguably the best 2 on earth. And without a logical argument to say otherwise top 2 no question.

  • Greg

    Celtic fans cant moan, KG has used up any good will the celts have with the refs with all his cheap shots that he has gotten away with. Stop complaining and recognise that your ship has sailed…

  • z

    Not gonna lie it’s really easy to come from 15 down with help. Coming back from 15 with no help is very very hard to do. The refs these first two games have been anything but consistent. The Tech calls in the first game and the T on Garnett was weak. If Garnett get’s the Tech then Lebron’s shove in game one should have been one. The refs have taken any edge the Celtics have tried to create and squandered it. The no call, the hussle play that was no foul at all, the kick from Wade, the sixth foul on Pierce when he clearly jumped straight up, and the ticky tack fouls early on Stietsma that were far from fouls. There was a reason the fouls were so one sided and the NBA has made it apparent that they want the Heat in the finals. Having two seperate crews blow huge calls has proven just that.

  • http://www.crappyrappers.com Simon Caine

    lol, you want me to name just 5 people who can put their head down, barrel into people, miss the layup, and look at the referee afterward? Below average passer, average mid-range jump shooter, below average 3-pt shooter, good finisher, good help defender. Nothing more, nothing less. Is he tough? Sure, absolutely he is. NOT a top 10 SG of all-time, IMO though. As far as cheap, he broke Kobe’s nose in an all-star game because he couldn’t guard him. He chased Darren Collison down on a fast break and pushed him in the back because he, again, was angry.

    Top 2 player on earth? LOL. Kobe, LBJ, KD, D-Howard, D-Rose, D-Will, CP3…

    I don’t care who was on that team, superstars should be good for at least 20 wins in one season. Lebron won 60 with subpar talent.

  • http://www.crappyrappers.com Simon Caine

    Without a top-tier superstar, Wade wasn’t getting anywhere. Just facts.

  • everything

    who is your top 10 SGs of all time Simon Caine?

  • everything

    *are

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Mark Blount is the guy that is ‘pretty good’ at your local Y.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    ^And Kobe was?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Eh?

  • http://www.nyill.wordpress.com O

    Wade was karate choppin Rondo and Lu Kangin’ KG on the way to the rim and he doesnt get called for those fouls? That really was demoralizing for the Celtics. At that point they shoulda known – like everyone one else watching – that they werent leaving Miami with a win. 8 against 5 are never good odds on the basketball court…

  • R32

    Celtic fans and Heat haters can complain and breakdown every single call/non-call but in the end, Boston didn’t get it done (even with all the missed Miami free throws!)

  • Ldub

    All that is so funny to me. Let me break down everything you just said and correct you with accuracy! Barrel into people? Incorrect…Dwade has one of the best “eurosteps” in the game today! Ill give you his mid range jumper has decreased over the years…but that is because he has gone back to slashing. Hence the FT attempts increasing. If you know anything about basketball, you’d know that if you dont do something for a while, you cant jump back into it with good consistency. Wade was never a good 3pt shooter…matter of fact he wasnt a shooter at all when he came into the L. PURE SLASHER! Great finisher, good defender (I believe he is tops in steals and blocks for all guards). Ill give u the DC chase down shot, but to say he broke Kobe’s nose as a cheap shot because he “couldnt guard him” is wrong. Pump fake, wade jumped, go up, wade comes down. Nothing malicious or cheap about it. And yes top 2! KOBE then Wade. Who else would you put above Wade at the SG position? And your last statement clearly shows your lack of intelligence for the game of basketball. Its a team sport. And Lebron had decent enough role players around him. Gibson and D. Jones were some of the best 3pt marksmen in the L that year. Varajao was like Joakim Noah. Anthony Parker who was a good defender. Wasnt the same for Wade with a roster full of injured, over the hill, past their prime(garbage players). Be real. You can hate wade or dislike him all you want. Even as a fan, I understand his faults and areas where improvement is needed. Youre blinded by your total dislike for him!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Man this 8 on 5 sh*t is pathetic. Every person that brings it up sounds like a b*tch. Refs don’t miss shots. Refs haven’t decided a single game this post season. They suck, but they have always sucked. And none of you (O especially) would have said a damn thing if your team won.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Wade hits Rondo’s head and it doesn’t get called. Can’t argue with that. But people are acting like 30 seconds earlier, Rondo wrapping both of his arms around Lebron’s bicep for a jump ball didn’t happen! C’mon now, the refs didn’t decide either of these games!

  • O

    nbk, you know damn well even if C’s won, I STILL would’ve pointed that out, b. Minimal contact on a Heat player and they’re at the line. Excessive contact on a C player and it’s good defense? PGeeeeeeeeeeet the f*ck outta here, dunn! OK, maybe it’s not 8 on 5, but 6 or 7 on 5 isn’t THAT much better.

  • http://hpusports.com 2 chainz

    Simon Caine, yeah he had shaq in 06.. But did shaq really do that much for them to beat the mavericks? Wade averaged 34 a game in that series if I’m not mistaken

  • bull22

    anyone who thinks this is a completely honest game needs to stop smoking weed. @eboy i see your point but it goes both ways, if you can recall what i said last year that if the heat won the free throw contest in the finals they would be champions and incredibly they did not, and would like to know what the heat did to personally offend david stern because the mavericks were allowed to play basketball. an fbi official even said that if an referee has money on the game he could have an influence on the outcome. but that being said the celtics did have their chances.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    O, go back and look at the fouls called. Aside from Pierce’s 6th, the rest of the fouls were pretty much fine. Perce’s 6th was a blatantly terrible call. But that didn’t decide the game, and the refs missed plenty for both teams. And if New York beat Miami in the same fashion, you wouldn’t have said a damn word. Don’t front like you are less emotional then you really are. Sh*ts obvious.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I honestly knew people were going to go hard on this ref thing.
    I thought it was obvious why Miami got so many calls, and the Celts got quite a few calls themselves when they DROVE TO THE HOLE.
    And Pierce’s arms didn’t say vertical on that Wade foul that was his sixth. Contact was created, he bent his arms, and the foul was called. He didn’t hit him on the arms or anything, but the body contact was there and the only way you get away with that consistently is if you are perfectly vertical with your arms.
    And are we going to pretend that Rondo didn’t foul LeBron on that jump ball he created?
    Or that Haslem didn’t get fouled on that crazy hookshot he hit in the lane off glass?
    Besides Rondo getting slapped in the face and not getting a call, that calls weren’t even that horrible. But the whistle blew for the Heat more often, mainly because they went to the rack.

  • Ldub

    I think people fail to realize how difficult it is to make calls in the blink of an eye. Yes they are trained to be the best refs in the game at any level, but even still, they are human. And regardless of how many years you have under your belt, you arent going to see every call. Especially when you have players blazing up n down the court like Rondo and Wade. Stop with the nonsense about the calls. The C’s were at the line just as much as the Heat in the first half, and like i said earlier…they stopped getting to the cup. Are the refs going to call a perfect game? NO, that will never happen. And as a fan of either team, people are going to always nitpick the refs decisions as an excuse for a loss. Bottom line is (just like many have said)…C’s were up by 15? With the same calls all these ppl have been b*tching and complaining about. Heat got aggressive and started attacking the paint! move on..game 3 tomorrow!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    It is easier for people to blame the officials when things don’t go favorably for the favorite team. I could literally go back to every playoff game this season and point out 10-15 questionable calls. It’s just how the NBA has been, is and always will be. Anyone who has played professional ball at any level knows that there’s damn near a foul on every play down the court.

  • http://hoopspeak.com/2012/05/enough-about-lebron-and-his-fouls/ nbk

    Speaking of which, where are the conspiracy theorists on why San Antonio so rarely gets whistled? If the presumption is that “lack of fouls” equals “ref favoritism” then that team would be a logical place to direct such illogic. Also, Andre Iguodala–another great wing defender–averages 1.5 fouls per contest. Are we assuming that the fix is in for Iggy and his ratings-galvanizing troupe of Sixer superstars?
    .
    Click my name.

  • http://www.nba.com Saviour

    Wade is a shell of the player he was even a year ago – you can see James taking the last shots, and constantly missing, is killing him. He’s got no vibe out there, looks lost half of the time.

  • MrAir239

    cosign Allenp^

  • O

    nbk, i’m one of the REALEST and non-delusional Knicks fans around. If the refs were handing the Knicks games like this I would’ve been the first to say, “Big ups to the refs and the Angel of Stern for giving the Knicks the Miami treatment.” Let’s keep it real, it’s not just the foul calls it’s the non-calls that hurt the C’s. The refs let Miami get away with throwing bows, so Wade stepped it up a notch and started clotheslining (exaggerating) and jump kicking the opposition. Don’t get mad at nuccas like me for pointing out the obvious. Embrace this ish. Miami is GUARANTEED to make it to the Finals. Celebrate, fools! It’s going to be a great Finals. Two teams (Spurs) who never get called for fouls.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The one question I have for all those in the “NBA favors MIA” camp is where was all that favoritism during the Finals last year? That was the perfect opportunity for Stern to “rig” that series and gift MIA the championship.

  • hatersrfunny

    Blaming the officials for losing is like saying if rondo plays sensational we will win. Straight up fiction. Go heat. Hey I respect the cs for their effort but only delusional peeps think they winning

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    O, clearly you are pretty delusional. Maybe not about how good the Knicks are, because that would make you delusional and stupid. But you sure don’t have a very firm grasp on what’s realistically happening with the refs. And haven’t since game 1 against the Knicks. And complaining about the refs has been the only thing you comment about recently anyway.
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    The refs and the league aren’t helping the Heat. There are bad calls in every game. The Heat are as guaranteed to make it too the finals as anyone else is. Plain and simple.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    The calls were kinda bad last night, but that doesn’t give the Celtics ay excuse when Rondo was actually shooting the ball well and they got up 15 on Miami just to blow it.

  • Ldub

    @O….do u really believe everything you just wrote? Please go back and watch the game again. Just like James was getting calls, so was Rondo. You can knitpick the calls all day…it doesnt knock the fact the the C’s stopped being as aggressive. Rondo had 22? points at half time….half of them from the FT line? And he was knocking down jumpers like Al Bundy would knock back a brewsky. They did nothing in the 3rd. No one was driving, Rondo wasnt shooting, it was a lack of aggression in the 2nd half. Yes the fouls were in favor of the Heat…but that isnt because they are the Heat. That is because Wade and James kept driving to the paint. There is no “special treatment”. There are plenty of calls that can be argued the the Heat dont get. SO GTFOH with all that nonsense!

  • O

    Damn, y’all dudes coming down on me HARD (pause). I’m pathetic, stupid, delusional – it’s whatever, man. And nbk, what’d you mean when you said to stop frontin’ like i’m less emotional than I really am? You want me to start wilding on the Heat and Heat fans with crazy rants? That sh*t’s for the birds, kid, and you know that ain’t never been my style. I’m just stating the obvious after certain games. I ain’t even say ish about game 1, but last night was just wow. And y’all get y’all panties in a bunch and start pouting cause y’all know its true. Miami gets away with ish cause they got that “best defensive team in the league” label. Yeah, C’s blew it in the 3rd by stopping the attack, but if you SERIOUSLY don’t believe the ref calls ain’t been helping the Heat then pass the piff cause the weekend’s almost here and we’ll just have to agree to disagree. After the Finals Wade should get in on some Ultimate Fighting cause it looks like that’s what he’s practicing for out on the court. Watch him put Rondo in a submission hold in the paint and only get a defensive 3 second violation… on Rondo

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I mean, stop acting like the reffing is so bad you are right by complaining ad nauseum it’s only obvious to you, a Knicks fan, who was blaming the refs for a loss in game 1 against the Heat, a game the Knicks lost by 33….because it was “8 on 5″ which has been the only thing you comment about since. You know what’s for the birds? Complaining about the same thing every time you feel like commenting.

  • T-Money

    so are people just talking or they genuinely believe that the fix is in? i mean, you can do that if that’s your thing but that probably means that you have bigger problems to worry about.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK is feeling extra testy today.
    I thought the Celtics would get a few quick fouls on the Heat early in the quarter and then stop being aggressive. At one point I was wondering if the HEat could play defense without fouling.
    But, if Bron is guarding Pierce, you won’t get a lot of fouls there because Bron avoids fouls better than anyone in the League.
    KG could get fouls if he posted up deed (Fighting for post position almost always generates fouls on the defense. It’s a rule.)
    Ray Allen doesn’t drive and Pietrus rarely drives. Bass couldn’t stay on the floor because he was killing them defensively and not doing enough offensively.
    Outside of Rondo, who shot 10 free throws in the first half, who really should have been drawing fouls and how? How was initiating contact and not getting the whistle.
    And the Celts, particularly Dooling and Pietrus, were just reaching and grabbing inside of playing solid defense. It was terrible at time. Pietrus fouled a jump shooter at least three times. Dooling gave up at least three And 1s because of bad fouls.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Pietrus guards LeBron like he still has Dwight waiting for him at the rim. If the opposing team is getting in the lane with the ball on almost every possession your team will be in foul trouble. The reason the Heat shoot more free throws than the Celtics is blatantly obvious. And it has NOTHING to do with the refs. I hate people blaming teams winning or losing on referee’s. Even when the refs do fix games, they likely aren’t affecting the outcome, but the spread. Except a few occasions that everyone knows about. But even then, refs don’t miss shots or turn the ball over. They call fouls. And if they are blatantly bad it will be highlighted and talked about, it’s not like Stern controls the bloggers.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lots of typos, sorry about that folks. It’s been a long day.
    And I said the same thing about Pietrus after Game One.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    oh well then, cosign your sentiments.
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    I would like to know why that hasn’t been corrected? Why are you crowding LeBron without a rim protector? (i realize they have rim protection, but not, stop LeBron type of protection). Why is any player crowding LeBron at all, the way to beat him is to make him a jump shooter, that’s common knowledge right?

  • Ldub

    cosign nbk. Give bron the jumper which in turn eliminates his drive effectiveness. No drive…no easy buckets, potential and ones, or his ability to kick it out to a an open teammate! Oddly enuff C’s did this in the first half to some degree. PP did play up on him pretty hard trying to show their renewed “toughness” but when youre not a defensive player…you cant keep that up for 48 minutes against anyone…especially lbj…and still be effective on the offensive end.

  • surety

    47 free-throws? This is just one of the reasons why the NBA is difficult to watch now. Miami runs absolutely no offense, yet James and Wade seem to get the benefit of every whistle every night. Compound that with the fact that the rules have already been changed to make these guys difficult to guard. It just seems like the NBA has gone away from what sports should be about – fair competition. Oh well, thank God for the Spurs.

  • Heals

    Do you O, anytime a NYK’s fan is sticking up for me C’s I gotta show some love back…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Boston got three stops on Miami’s final 16 possessions, and one of those “stops” came when LeBron missed two free throws.
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    And people complaining about free throw discrepancy and then bringing up the Spurs (who have the basically the same discrepancy as the Heat) – for comparisons sakes, they shoot .195 Free Throws per possession and give up .168, while the Heat shoot .237 and give up .201 – is hilarious. That’s like saying, “well I would like to say, blatantly, i don’t know what i’m talking about”

  • MUBWAR

    anthony parker and good defender on the same sentence? as a raptors fan i don’t know how to feel about ldub latest comments.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Celtics can’t beat the Refs too, look at game 1, there was some crazy calls too. Lebron got alot of ticky tat calls go his way, especially when Pietrus jumped up in air and a littler brush on Bron and its a foul. Rondo gets slapped in the face, no call. The Refs in the first qtr, got rid of one of Boston’s bigs with four foul calls against him. This series has been a joke, if anyone thinks otherwise, you don’t know basketball, this is reminding me of Wade’s NBA REF Finals. BOOK IT!!

  • http://slamonline.com 19821982

    AllenP on the $, if the C’s can down a few red bulls before the game and actually drive to the hoop a few more times, they’d get more foul shots too. Bron and Wade are slashers by nature. Rondo and Garnett are taking jumpers on purpose, because the Heat are giving them daylight. And even then, Rondo still took it inside, and he got calls (except the Wade foul).

  • Ldub

    MUBWAR….he was their designated “perimeter” defender when he was on the Cavs with LBJ. It was his job to guard the best player on the opposing team. He didnt do any of that in Toronto because he was more offensive minded. Hes kinda like a Battier. D and 3.

    @SEED….Youre picking a possession here and a possession there to say the entire game was in the Heat favor. Again (and ive said this before)….The C’s were up….with the same calls in the first and second half. Difference was Cs stopped being aggressive. And IDK why people expect this perfectly ref’d game. Youre gonna miss calls and youre gonna have some bogus ones called. We all know Wade fouled Rondo but to say players like Wade and LBJ “get away with calls like that” is crazy. Rondo went from one side of the basket, double pumped and Wade missed the ball, hit him in the face. We all saw it but to think he did it because he is Wade and CAN GET AWAY WITH IT DUE TO HIM WEARING A HEAT jersey is just sick. I would love to see you go ref an NBA game and see how many calls you miss/make in error due to the fast pace of the game!

  • Dejjy

    It’s only fair. I mean everytime I watch a Celtics game, they get their call every single time. But these are just two games compared to how many games the Celtics won with the refs on their side.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com albie1kenobi

    people b!tching about referees are so refreshing. it’s just like kids yelling “he did it first!” “no he did it first!”

    on another note, that touching picture thumbnail for this thread was not from yesterday’s game; Rondo and Pierce were wearing black headbands.

  • Y u spell it fiyah

    It might have been demoralizing to the team, but I wish I could tell Rondo how inspiring that was for me.

  • AQWORD

    GAme 3 tonite. Looking forward to see how the Heat handle the Cs on their court. Suddenly i’m hungry for some ricecakes. Bron is due a trey deuce anyday now. Go Video Game ! Man up beeehachiz!

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/05/how-the-new-orleans-hornets-won-the-nba-draft-lottery/ thePhoenix

    @the Seed: Your reasoning is flawed. You give evidence of ONE bad call in favor of the Heat and that means the whole series is a joke? GTFOH…. Stiemsma plays defense with his hands, reaching and slapping at the ball, and doesn’t move his feet. 3/4 of the calls against him were easy calls and clear fouls. The 4th where he half hand checked Lebron was weak, but still 50/50 as he put both his hands on LeBrons hips as he drove towards the hoop, so it’s not a bad call at all.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/05/how-the-new-orleans-hornets-won-the-nba-draft-lottery/ thePhoenix

    A disparate foul count, in and of itself, is not indicative of ref bias. LeBron and Wade attack the rim more than anyone in the NBA, when you attack the rim often, you get fouled often because nobody is going to give up easy layups. The Celtics by contrast shoot a lot of jump shots. KG at the top of the key/elbow, even when he posts he’s doing that shake and fade shot, Pierce on 3s and mid range fade aways, Ray on 3s and off screens. Rondo is the only one who routinely takes the ball to the hoop and even then he looks to pass off it a lot. Their styles of play explain the foul count.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/05/how-the-new-orleans-hornets-won-the-nba-draft-lottery/ thePhoenix

    A disparate foul count, in and of itself, is not indicative of ref bias. LeBron and Wade attack the rim more than anyone in the NBA, when you attack the rim often, you get fouled often because nobody is going to give up easy layups. The Celtics by contrast shoot a lot of jump shots. KG at the top of the key/elbow, even when he posts he’s doing that shake and fade shot, Pierce on 3s and mid range fade aways, Ray on 3s and off screens. Rondo is the only one who routinely takes the ball to the hoop and even then he looks to pass off it a lot.

  • hegotsgame

    Simon Caine is my hero. Thank you bro!!!

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