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Wednesday, May 2nd, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  152 responses

Tyson Chandler Named Defensive Player of the Year


by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

The New York Knicks haven’t been on the receiving end of very much good news of late. In fact, most of it has been downright calamitous.

Today, however, something Knick-related can finally be celebrated. Tyson Chandler will be named the NBA’s top defender for the 2012 season.

Yahoo! Sports reports (and the AP also confirmed the award):

New York Knicks center Tyson Chandler has won the NBA’s Defensive Player of the Year award, a league source said. The Knicks plan to make the announcement official Thursday at their practice facility. Chandler will receive the award Thursday night prior to Game 3 between the Knicks and Miami Heat.

Chandler averaged 11.3 points, 9.9 rebounds and 1.4 blocks in his first season with the Knicks.

Tyson Chandler’s win ends Dwight Howard’s run of consecutive DPOY awards (3).

UPDATE: The NBA confirmed that Tyson Chandler did indeed win the award this afternoon:

Chandler becomes the first player in franchise history to earn the honor. Chandler received 311 points, including 45 first-place votes, from a panel of 121 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. Oklahoma City’s Serge Ibaka finished second with 294 points and Orlando’s Dwight Howard, who had won the award each of the previous three seasons, finished third with 186 points. Players were awarded five points for each first-place vote, three points for each second-place vote and one point for each third-place vote received.

With Chandler anchoring the middle, New York’s defense improved markedly from the previous season in multiple categories. The Knicks ranked among the top half of the league in several key defensive categories, including opponent turnovers per game (17.0, 2nd), opponent field goal percentage (.442, 10th), and opponent scoring (94.7 ppg, 11th). Opposing teams averaged 22.5 more points and shot .520 from the field when Chandler was not in the lineup. Opponents shot .438 with Chandler in the lineup. In addition, Chandler grabbed 22.1 percent of his team’s defensive rebounds when he was on the floor.

The Knicks will need Chandler’s extraordinary defense, and then some, to have any hope of extending their first round Playoff series with the Miami Heat. Game 3 tips off at Madison Square Garden tomorrow night.

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  • Well DAMN

    WHAT ABOUT SERGE IBLOCKA?

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Congrats to Tyson Chandler. This was well deserved.

  • philly4rm@frika

    Huh?… Guess Serge Ibaka has to average 10blks per game.

  • T-Money

    ibaka is the third best 1vs1 post defender on his own team, behind perk and collison.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Blocked shots don’t mean you’re a great defender. All it takes is the extra pass once you draw an overzealous shot blocker to you in the paint, then you got a high percentage bucket.

  • Yann Blavec

    Deserved !!

  • FnF

    Ehh… Ibaka or Chandler, it could have gone either way. People argued Dwight had no other defenders around him when he won 3x. I’m sure Chandler laughed to himself when Mike Woodson said, “We need a stop” to Baron, JR, Melo, & Stat. The Thunder are solid as a team with guys who at the very least look like they play defense. Do you go with the guy who is the best defensive player on a team that is solid defensively or the guy with the defensive rep surrounded by defensive deficient dudes?

  • Rik Smits Mullet

    well deserved. he turned the knicks into a defensive team. also happy that howard didnt got his 4th straight.

  • crooklyn

    Congrats to the big man

  • Heals

    Glad they got it right and even if Serge deserved it more (he didn’t), Ty did this all last season and thru the playoffs too. CharlesB with the leak last night on Inside…

  • http://slamonline.com samoaninlondon

    stupid fans thinking blocks purely signify great defence. team defence baby – if you have a good centre protecting the paint it’s priceless.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Better all-around defenders this season were easily Lebron and Noah. Lebron can cover 5 positions. Noah consistently chases smaller guys and keeps the lane secure. This is a fu*king sham with NY bias written all over it. He may not be the best defensive player on his squad with Shump on the floor.

  • http://www.gil1906.com Pve_2

    He’s been good, but no he hasn’t been that good. This looks more like a life-time achievement award in response to his defense bringing Dallas and effect on the Knicks to the championship rather than a sham.

  • http://www.gil1906.com Pve_2

    Dallas to the championship and effect on the Knicks*

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Congrats… But no.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LeBron, Tony Allen and Avery Bradley should be pissed.
    And I fully expect Bron to get at his neck behind this award.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    This whole “Dwight shouldn’t get it because he already has 3″ isn’t sitting right with me . . .

  • @boweezy24

    Nice!

  • @boweezy24

    Shumpert Deserves This Too :)

  • bike

    LeBron should have won this. Always felt there was a big man bias.

  • Jrtruth34

    I think LeBron should have won DPOY.Congrats to Tyson Chandler tho for improving that Knicks defense

  • Ill Smith

    He got the Knocks to play D. Nuff said. Not to mention I dont think Howard scored more than 12 on him all season along with Dallas’ falloff. & LeBron on D is kinda overrated. He’s good at playing the passing lanes or chase down blocks but he’s pretty average on face-up man to man D.

  • http://slamonline.com charliewinning

    I was leaning toward Ibaka but I’m not mad at this.

  • cinquet

    SERGE

  • AQWORD

    Unlike me im sure Bron is not mad at this. He’l just enjoy swreping the Knix & their so called Defensive player. Handing the them another sweep of the postseason. TAKE IT! !!

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    Ibaka or Dwight.

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    I was thinking 3 people. Serge Ibaka, Lebron, and Tony Allen. Meh, anyone have advanced stats that show Tyson deserved this more than anyone else this season?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    People who still say LeBron doesn’t play great man-on-man defense don’t know basketball.
    It’s the mark of an uninformed hater to say that at this point.

  • http://Roosterteeth.com Caboose

    I’d say LeBron, Tony, and Dwight before Tyson. Serge is a great help defender, average one on one. Keep in mind, even Amare gets blocks. Does this mean Dwight won’t even make All-Defensive First Team? Cause that’s a crime.

  • Drig

    LBJ or Iggy or TAllen deserved it from the perimeter defending crowd. Dwight, even for a down season, was right there with those guys till he got injured. Why was Dwight written off like Linsanity?????

  • http://www.optimabbc.be Max

    One thing is for sure, Tyson shouldn’t have won it.

  • bull22

    kudos to chandler. i think he gets it because the knicks were dreadful on defense before he came. noah and lebron could have gotten considerations but tyson’s ring certainly helps.

  • Ldub

    ORANGE-Sorry brotha…this was not deserved. This award should have went to the Thunders Serge Ibaka. Even though there was only a 4 game difference, He averaged more than 2 blocks per game more than Chandler. People werent afraid to drive to the lane on the Knicks, but they sure were against the Thunder. Who else got a triple double this year with 10 blocks? This is a horrible decision to give it to Chandler. Dont think Im hating on Chandlers skills, bcuz Im not, but this award should have definitely gone to Serge!

  • angus

    tyson is great but can any one tell me why Lebron James is not the DPOY??

  • ash

    Iman Shumpers has been a good defender too

  • FnF

    Dwight is in the convo again of course but due to injuries, voter fatigue, & the indecision circus… regardless of how well he played defense, he wasn’t going to win. Yes, there is a big man bias. Due to the perimeter defensive rules, I don’t expect a wing player to ever get the award again. Unless that person hold Lebron-KD-Melo under 15 points while playing 4 games in 5 days on a bad ankle and broken rib following a traumatic event in their personal life.

  • Justin

    I can not adequately explain how bad Chandler was when he played for the Bobcats. Horrible. Fans booed him right out of Charlotte, which says a lot!

  • 602Shorty

    Shump deserves almost as much credit for the Knicks’ respectable, not good, defensive turnaround. I think that hurts an idividual when a teammate does almost the same thing for his team as he does. I honestly think Bron should’ve gotten more votes, if not won it.

  • FnF

    Did Chandler change the defensive mentality of NY? I remember them still losing games right out of the gate. D’antoni was still there coach. Without the heroics of Mr. Lin this season is lost in NY. Then they had a coaching change, and any change from D’antoni would affect the defensive output of a team. In what game/week can we point to, to say that NY got by on staunch defense? This seems like it was media driven. Rex Ryan must have had a vote.

  • Ldub

    Ibaka was a decent on ball defender, great help defender and he hustled. He gobbled up boards and if he didnt get the shot block he sure was altering the shot. Hands down should have went to Ibaka. Chandler should be 4th on the DPOY list….Ibaka, James, Rondo then Chandler. What exactly are the guidelines/requirements? I always thought it was someone who changed the game on the defensive end. Someone who could control the game on the defensive end. I definitely felt like Lebron, Rajon and Serge were above Chandler(this year).

  • Iggi

    WOW!! I don’t get it how Lebrom didn’t get win this, makes no sence.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Ldub, you wouldn’t put Dwight in your top 5?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Ibaka did not deserve DPOY at all. Everything he gives you someone else does better. And all-around he is not that great of a defender, luckily though, the Thunder have Kendrick Perkins.

  • AQWORD

    That’s why Bron Should have taken both seasonal trophys – D.P.O.T.Y. & M.V.P. before he takes the big one in about 4 weeks.

  • Mas

    I would have voted for Serge Ibaka with Tyson in 2nd place. However I’m happy that the Knicks finally have a true Center at the Garden. Congrats.

  • Ldub

    @da-meat-hook….I would round it off at 5 with DH. I guess that is biased opinion only because of all the drama he caused. And the games I watched it seemed like he quit on the team when they got down. I only saw statlines from him where it seemed he made a defensive mark on the game. Maybe Id even push Chandler to 5th and put DH at 4 spot.

  • http://www.dimemag.com biggaveli

    DID nbk just ih not that great defender and Kendrick No jump Perkins is better at defense…can’t agree thats a VERy NO Bueno…lol Tyson did derserve it. Shump turn the defense around it will be more evident in Mia. sweep of NY.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance21

    I really think LeBron should have gotten this award, but he’s so good offensively, people don’t think of him as an elite defender. There is not a more versatile defender in the game today. And blocks don’t make you an elite defender, just like steals don’t make you anelite defender.

  • VCsuxA$$

    I don’t understand how there’s only been 5 or 6 “perimeter” guys to have ever won this award. All a “big” has to do is help the weakside, clog the lane, and rebound. They never have to run through screens, hawk passing lanes, and keep up with guys like CP3 and DRose. Considering all those things, and the fact that he rebounds, blocks, and plays post D, LEBRON should’ve won this award this year. Do these voters even watch how Lebron is the only guy in the league that’s capable of shutting down Derrick Rose – aka the fastest man in the league???

  • KHALID SALAAM

    There are some definite playing in NY advantages/ramifications at play here. That being said, Chandler isn’t a terrible pick but its very, very arguable.

  • bull22

    simply put, lebron gaveup on his manhood when he decided he was not going to lead a team on his own so therefore why he was ignored for that award.
    iam an avid knicks hater but props is props and chandler not just earned this award with this sorry team and all the arguing will not take away his award.
    time to GET OVER IT and deal with it.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    Lebron should’ve won this award. but we all already knew that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Look the Knicks went from 22nd in the league in defense last season to 5th this year. And that is pretty much attributed to Tyson Chandler. The only other player in the league who has that kind of affect on their teams defense is Dwight. — LeBron or Tony Allen were the best individual defenders this season, Serge Ibaka was the best help defender in terms of blocks, but none of them had the kind of impact on a whole team as Tyson or Dwight. What really hurt Dwight more than anything wasn’t related to defense at all, it was related to the drama he created, his previous DPOY awards, and his injury. Other than that, he was clearly the best defensive player in the league.

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Dwight.got.robbed.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    WTH are you all griping about. Shut up. He deserved this as much or more than anyone.
    Shut up.

  • Ldub

    I entire squad of the Knicks was different last year. You had a bunch of run and gunners and a coach who approved. Chandler played a role in the overall scheme of on the defensive end but to say he is the main reason for a 17 spot jump is foolish. Lin, Shumpert, Stat, even Melo has begun to play more defense. And that is because Woodson took over. They were still getting smashed some nights because they didnt have defense!

  • Adam

    No Serge?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Uhm they were top 5 defensively before D’Antoni was fired. And no, Lin, Amar’e, and Melo don’t/didn’t play defense. They are terrible defenders. Terrible. If you don’t know that, or didn’t notice that, then this is pointless. Cuz that sh*t is obvious.

  • feez_22

    For anyone who just wants to go to the glam stat of interior defense (blocks), i direct you to NBK’s post @ 1.02pm. That ladies and gentlemen is why chandler is DPOY. btw @ bull22… your comment is idiotic because lebron will most certainly win MVP. MVP’s are held in higher regard than DPOY’s so wouldn’t “giving up your manhood” stop you from getting MVP? smh some people… But ya… Tyson chandler took a knicks team who has had bad defense year in year out for YEARS with carmelo anthony and amare (2 subpar defenders at their respective positions) to an ELITE defense (which they were). Of course he was helped… every award winner had help. Amare and Melo missed a lot of time letting players like shump (who will be an elite defender soon) and jeffries (who is a great rebounder and post defender) to get more minutes. Nonetheless… this is the 2nd team in 2 years chandler has drastically improved defensively. Lebron is a good candidate… sure. However, lebron was the 2nd worst spot up shooter defender on his team behind mike miller. Of course… voters probably didn’t take this into account. However, I do. Lebron is a forward and as a forward you are judged on your perimeter and interior D. his interior & help D was outstanding. his perimeter movement, keeping guys in front of him and help perimeter D was good. However, his spot up shot defense should be top 3 on his team. Lebron is great. chandler took a defense that was bad for years to 5th and did the same 2 dallas. it is what it is. Chandler deserves this and lebron will deserve his MVP. imo lebron probably wasn’t dominant enough for voters to have him sweep both awards so to the people who are crying over lebron not winning this… get over it.

  • RIGGS

    whoever says he doesnt deserve this is either an idiot or a hater.

  • feez_22

    by the way… to people who are str8 up crying that ibaka didn’t win the award… I believe defensive anchors should be considered. As far as being a defensive anchor goes… I put lebron, chandler, dwight over ibaka. That puts ibaka at 4th on the D list. i don’t think anyone in their right mind would put ibaka’s defensive presence over lebron’s or dwights which leaves ibaka vs. chandler… i’ve already said chandler made the Knicks for christ sakes an elite defense. The thunder have much better starting player defenders than the knicks. you can go position by position. Westbrook D>Lin, Thabo D>Fields, Durant D>Melo. That leaves perkinsAmare. since those cancel out, its a clean 3-0 sweep at the other positions in the thunder’s favor… so tell me… why are the thunder not a top 5 defense this year? with the defensive starting talent they have… they should be. If they were top 5 maybe i’d consider ibaka. until then, please don’t throw block stats at me. The thunder remain average in interior defense. Dwight blocks are much more impactful because year in year out the magic with no good defenders remain tops @ interior D. ibaka=Glam pick.

  • SiMoney

    I’m sorry but I honestly don’t believe LeBron is this “great man to man defender”, he’s and exceptional help defender but 1-on-1 hes average. Melo gave him 42, Derrick Rose admitted in an interview that he never felt Lebron shut him down the defense Heat just collapsed on him in the paint (which is true), Rondo always kills him, he never keeps up with Westbrook, Pierce had 40 on him a couple years back…time after time we hear Lebron being great defender when Wade is a better defender than he is…with ALLL of that being said, with Tyson helping Melo become an average defender at best, and turn the Knicks into a better defensive team, he deserved it

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    LeBron held opposing wings to the lowest production of any player in the NBA this season.
    .
    Read that again until it sets in.

  • T-Money

    simoney… where to begin?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    T-Money, idk if you should. Might just end up frustrated as hell.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    My buttcheeks are spread wide, ready to take Tyson inside of me. Congrats :)

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    I am just so happy Tyson won. I remember when Chicago drafted him, I was hoping him and Eddy Curry would come to my bedroom and make a sandwich out of me. :) :) :) So happy he finally lived up to that Chicago hype. Maybe the dream with Eddy will come true too ;)

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    nbk, I hear you but Shrump played a big (not as big as TC) role in NY’s improvement defensively. Chandler is not in DHow’s class where you can just surround him with bad defensive teammates and expect the team to be great defensively, he needs guys like Marion in Dallas and now, Shrump in NY to provide help on the perimeter.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I agree Taylor, that’s pretty much why i finished that comment with “What really hurt Dwight more than anything wasn’t related to defense at all, it was related to the drama he created, his previous DPOY awards, and his injury. Other than that, he was clearly the best defensive player in the league.”
    .
    Tyson’s impact on the Knicks is obvious, but definitely does benefit from having a lock-down guy like Shump or Marion on the perimeter.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Melo gave LeBron 42.
    And then he had a stinker in Game One.
    Then he a had a decent game in the second game.
    Basically, Bron took a cat who gives everybody else the complete business and made him somewhat inefficient and inconsistent.
    That’s elite level defense. You’re not going to shut down a great player like a scrub, but if you make him inefficient and inconsistent, you’ve played great defense.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Fact: LeBron is a great defender. 1 on 1, help, weak side, anchor. He can do it all.
    If you don’t realize that your weird.

  • SiMoney

    LOOL love how everyone read and commented ONLY on Melo and wings but every other point I made no one addressed lol. Oh and Melo had a stinker in Game 1 huh…does anyone remember that SHANE BATTIER guarded him most of the game as well, no no it was alll Lebron, all of it smh lol….oh and if you wanna bring up numbers, DWade averages better defensive numbers CONSISTENLY than LeBron

  • SiMoney

    read that again till it sets in lol….pretty amusing friendly debate tho

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    SMH. Blocks and Steals? Those are the numbers you are trying to use? You don’t know what you are talking about. Nobody is addressing your other points because they are irrelevant. That would be like me saying Michael Jordan wasn’t the best player ever because he didn’t make the Varisty basketball team his freshman year of high school.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Let me make it simple for you,
    .
    LeBron holds his match-up to a 10.4 PER (league average is always 15.0)
    .
    Wade holds his match-up to a 17.4 PER
    .
    LeBron’s defensive rating is an absurd 89 (league average is 100)
    .
    Dwyane’s defensive rating is still a good 97

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    What happened against LeBron years ago is irrelevant.
    .
    What PG’s do (who LeBron doesn’t guard) against the Heat is irrelevant.
    .
    And Derrick Rose admitted that LeBron shut him down, he said QUOTE “It’s extremely hard when a 6-8 guy can easily defend you.” (LeBron James held Rose to 6% shooting from the field when he was guarding him)
    .
    Read what I said, try and let it sit in as fact, because it is.

  • SiMoney

    LOL whats funny is how upset you getting and how you giving me effiency numbers…I could care less about the efficency numbers and more about what I watch. I clearly said he was an EXCEPTIONAL help defender, definitely great but to be labeled a GREAT one-on-one defender is overrated, you are yet to prove to me how great of a one-on-one defender he is, please give me examples…i clearly gave you examples of times he didnt display this great defense and yet you brush them aside as “irrelevant” but your efficiency numbers are more “relevant”? (ex: Melo averages over a steal for his career yet hes a bad defender all around according to most) lol come on fam

  • SiMoney

    present to me that link where Rose said that please

  • T-Money

    simoney… that’s a well known quote that was discussed ad nauseam last year. gotta do your homework when you make outlandish claims.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The game I watched Bron was guarding Melo most of the game.
    Melo eats up Shane Battier like twinkies. No way could Shane Battier ever force Melo to have a bad game.
    In fact, Shane guarded Melo a lot more in Game 2.
    But, whatever, if you really think Lebron isn’t great on the ball, where he’s very good to great, in my opinion then so be it.
    He’s not Avery Bradley, or Tony Allen or Jrue Holiday on the ball, but he’s damn good.

  • SiMoney

    AGAIN, present to me the link where he said those words exactly, because him saying “can easily defend you” don’t ring a bell to me, so please refresh my memory, thats all im asking…

  • LP

    Somebody said: “Lebron held wing players to the lowest production of anyone in the NBA this year”…..MISLEADING STAT! uhhh you do realize LeBron doesn’t really guard the opposing teams best player anymore, right?? Shane Battier has taken over that, Lebron MAY guard a ROSE, KOBE, Durant during the 4th quarter, but he doesn’t do it throughout the game… so he guards them maybe 1 or 2 iso plays, and thats it…it makes this stat look great. Miami has the luxury to throw BATTIER on whoemver for 2 or 3 quarters, then LEBRON looks like the best defensive player in the league when he doesn’t get scored on for 2 plays in the 4th……..Lebron is a decent defender tho, but don’t let Stats fool you…he guards NICK Young/Vince Carter/Jared Dudley type players most of the time.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And if you throw out numbers, then the entire argument is based on anecdotes.
    And you’re invested in your anecdotes. You can’t depend solely on stats, but you can’t depend solely on anecdotes either.
    That’s how Kobe kept making all those all-defensive teams.

  • SiMoney

    ok see, AllenP, i respect that, no way i said he was a BAD defender, i just said he was average, fine you feel hes a little better than that then so be it, i wont get at you for that…but when i hear people say hes an “elite” defender, i disagree, thats all

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m not upset, i’m dismayed at your ignorance. You really don’t understand how efficiency numbers this season are more relevant than scoring numbers from years ago, or the success of players LeBron doesn’t even guard? And no, i’m not supplying you with a link to a quote you can look up by using google. Do the work yourself. While you are at it, search around for any single person on planet earth with a respectable opinion who thinks Dwyane Wade is a better defender. Then come back when you find them. See you never.

  • 602Shorty

    Kobe making all those all-defensive teams was disgusting. @SiMoney: I actually read the quote where Rose stated what NBK said. This site actually posted it.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Only ignorance explains trying to say Battier guards the opposing teams best players. The dude plays 23 minutes a night. Try and justify that stupid ass opinion given that he doesn’t even play half the game….oh and doesn’t start.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think he’s better than most players on the ball. The vast majority. His biggest flaw is that he’s foul averse, which means he doesn’t gamble at ALL when he’s on his man. So players like Bradley or Tony Allen or even Ron Artest will risk getting a foul while playing on the ball to make their opponent uncomfortable or just cause him to think. So they reach in more, push more and stuff like that.
    Bron doesn’t do that. He has one of the lowest foul rates in the League and has had that rate for his entire career. It’s like slightly more than 2 a game, quite a few of those are offensive.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Battier does switch to the best player on the opposing team, but he is not the primary defender. That is LeBron. He opens games on the best offensive player (or the player Miami needs him to guard – like Gasol late in the game against the Lakers), and closes games against the best offensive players.

  • dan

    that was well deserved. i watched every single knicks game this season and it was a difference like day and night weather chandler was on the floor or sitting. ibaka, lebron, allen and howard deserved that one too this year. but i think nobody can seriously complain about him getting the award. congratulations to a great player

  • http://www.google.com/search?q=It%E2%80%99s+extremely+hard+when+a+6-8+guy+can+easily+defend+you&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Allenp

    And if you click my name it will take you to the Google search page on that quote. Just so we can move things along.

  • SiMoney

    Ok AllenP, you got it, Rose said it, I read and watched it, and I back off that statement, I was wrong and have no problem with that…with NBK, LOL still gettin pissed off at a debate that you have not convinced me yet, DWade is a better defender, I’m pretty sure you can find more than 10 people who would agree with that, come on now, I still stand by my opinion that Lebron is not a ELITE defender and hes average maybe slightly above, but sorry homie, you havent convinced me, you getting upset makes it worth it tho lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Allen your assessment of LeBron as an on the ball defender is so spot on you should occasionally write for SLAM or something.

  • SiMoney

    I’m not convinced because I’m watching clips and videos as we speak of Lebron being an overrated defender, I know what I see, and I know what i watch, could care less about your “efficiency numbers” lol….dont get to mad tho lol, but we just agree to disagree…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I don’t want to convince you, as I said to T-Money earlier,
    . T-Money Posted: May.2 at 2:31 pm
    “simoney… where to begin?”
    . nbk Posted: May.2 at 2:34 pm
    “T-Money, idk if you should. Might just end up frustrated as hell.”
    .
    I’m not frustrated, just pointing out you don’t know what the hell you are talking about. Cuz you don’t.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Tyson Chandler changed the Knicks culture at the defensive end, the same way KG changed it for Boston. I remember when FOOLS/HATERS were saying the Knicks got the Bobcats version of Tyson, because he somehow needs a CP3 to be effective. And JPriceless, I got your sandwich right here, with some nasty rotten stinking CROW in it. EAT IT!

  • http://nba.com VanCityBBall

    who would be your all-defensive team, hypothetically?

  • http://www.google.com/search?q=It%E2%80%99s+extremely+hard+when+a+6-8+guy+can+easily+defend+you&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a Allenp

    I don’t think Tyson is completely undeserving. But, I do think that the Knicks were such a horrible, low scoring team at times their defense numbers looked better because pace skews those numbers.
    Also, I think Chandler was wildly inconsistent as a defender and rebounder.Based on the increase in his minutes (he was almost splitting time with Haywood in Dallas) you should have seen a bigger jump in his production. But you didn’t.
    I feel like Tony Allen sets the tone in Memphis. He and Mike Conley are the most consistent defenders on that team, and despite Allen’s role as a bench player, he holds people accountable and get’s them excited emotionally.
    I feel like LeBron is the clear defensive leader of his team, has shown more flexibility than Chandler and clearly impacts the game as much if not more.
    Avery Bradley is a dark horse because he didn’t play most of the season, but he’s probably had a larger impact on a team’s defense than any other player in the League.

  • http://wagesofwins.com/2012/04/20/nba-award-races/ nbk

    You are watching clips and videos? On Youtube? Or on Synergy? You can watch a clip on youtube that makes the case for any opinion, that doesn’t prove anything. You can click my name, and read a respected opinion who has LeBron as DPOY. But that won’t really prove anything either, cuz you operate with the opinion you have formed through clips, videos and box scores…

  • Jerome

    Chandler brought the Knicks D from well below average to just above average.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    You are all missing the point. I just got back from interviewing Tyson. He said that I slobber too much but I’ll do. Anyway, he is the DPOY. Deal with it. Lebron doesn’t get that award (or any reward from me) because the illuminati in New York want the Knicks to at least have 1 semi-relevant achievement this year.

  • http://stapledesign.com Spaceship Jay

    Yeah.. as a NY resident and Knick watcher, Tyson brought a great energy, enthusiasm, and team comradeship to MSG. Players felt better about making plays, because they were encouraged to by his great attitude. THAT. IS. IT.

  • LP

    NONE of this matters, the Knicks are about to get extinguished in 2 more games. DPoY that… and @NBK, 23 minutes per game is a pretty good chunk for a backup to make a difference…Serge Ibaka plays 27 mpg.

  • http://wagesofwins.com/2012/04/20/nba-award-races/ nbk

    I never said Battier doesn’t make a difference. I said he is not the primary defender. At times does he guard the opposing teams best player? ofcourse. But he isn’t tasked with doing that when the game is on the line, unless as I said earlier, their is another match-up where LeBron is needed more (guarding Pau against the Lakers, Battier on Kobe). I am not trying to take anything away from Battier as a defender, he is great. And I am not trying to make LeBron sound like the best defender since Scottie Pippen. I am just simply trying to get the point across that LeBron was literally the most effective wing defensive player in the NBA this season, guarding any player at any position. Were there guys that were better overall defenders? imo, yes, Dwight & Tyson were better, and Tony Allen was probably better too. But in terms of literal factual, measurable production, nobody was.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    nbk I am just about sick of you and that Battier talk. Nobody cares. All conversation here is irrelevant. My baby Tyson won. Everyone else can cry.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Orange gotta hold of Taylor’s info. lol

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    ^lol…

  • lakernation

    GOOGLE SUCKS! Why argue or debate about something when you know it will be researched, because all we have to do is google it! Whatever happened to watching the game and then you make your assessment…. now days we just pull up the stat sheet and it tells the whole story. Now everyone these days are CREDIBLE SPORTS FANS because they spend hours surfing stats. I say that to say this….. Tyson Chandler deserved every bit of that award based off the games I’ve watched him play. + he was a huge factor defensively in the Dallas Championship run in 2011. DONE!

  • http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=wadedw01&y1=2012&p2=bryanko01&y2=2012 nbk

    lol you don’t like google because you can look up factual information, but you do like giving regular season awards to players because of the games you watched (out of 66) and what they did last season. that’s logical.

  • lakernation

    @nbk, no i dont like google because of the ppl who obsessively abuse it(i dont hate the player i hate the game)….If I was voting yes I would give it to him based off the games ive watched, i’m guessing you wouldnt based off the games you didnt watch…. and solely off of stats correct? F Stats thats why we have ppl making extra passes on a fast break when they have a wide open layup and the commentators say stuff like “boy i love that guy, he’s such an unselfish player”…. they just dont know he is adding to his assist total. LOL

  • http://www.nba.com Red

    Lol@Nbk. Man, idc what people think Dwight was again dominating this year, if not him I’d have been with Love & LBJ winning it but Tyson? C’monnn son.

  • http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2012/03/strengths-and-limitations-of-advanced.html nbk

    I can guarantee you I watch more NBA basketball than 95% of all the people who frequent these comment sections, and 99.9% of people on earth. Not tryna start anything or sound any certain typa way, just saying, my opinion is not dependent on any one thing, (stats, articles, or games watched). My opinion comes from taking in all available information and forming a logical reasonable opinion from it. I would have voted for Dwight (begrudgingly), but don’t have a problem at all with Tyson winning the award, or Tony Allen, Andre Iguodala, or LeBron James. My point is just that you can’t solely base your opinion on who should get what award by the games you have watched because, quite simply, it’s impossible to watch every game from every team, so therefore there will always be a whole in your opinion. Not too say my opinion is more right than anyone else’s, but it is more “well rounded” than most.
    .
    And it is a fact that advanced stats are more accurate at just about everything than peoples opinions. Even the “professional analysts” – BUT some “advanced stats” people really screw up the perception because they peddle their stats as concrete evidence of a claim, like John Hollinger for example. If you want to read a great article about the strengths and weaknesses of using stats to determine opinions click my name.

  • SiMoney

    LOL your boy NBK be getting upset man, damn smh…look man I still disagree with you, regardless of what you say, your obviously someone who feels they are NEVER wrong, and you dont know how to debate without getting mad or aggrevated, its just a friendly debate lol, plus its obvious that its hard for you to be wrong when you bring up eficiency numbers and label that as gold but dismiss my simple numbers…I watch the games just as much as you do, i love the sport just as much and i feel numbers dont tell the whole story, and its true, your “efficiency numbers” wouldnt tell me that Luol Deng is a good defender, or Kendrick Perkins is a good low post defender, or Thabo Sefolosha is a great defender, or even someone like Tayshuan Prince who is a good defender as well, they wouldnt tell me that, instead those numbers would put them at low value…so in the end I dont feel LBJ locks up, never sacrifice his offense to lock someone up, so again we just agree to disagree, dont go gettin all bent out of shape again lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Still in the same shape I been in. You still don’t know what your talking about. Status Quo.
    .
    And Advanced Stats would show those guys to be good defenders. You just again, don’t know what you are talking about.

  • SiMoney

    Even Kwame Brown? Cuz I’ve heard a couple coaches and scouts say hes a good low post defender, even him NBK lol, even him…come on man, I’m not gonna sit here and say how “ignorant” you are, and “you don’t know what your talking about” and all that cuz well I’m not the upset one lol, so if thats how you debate then i feel bad for the people around you lol

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    .LOL
    - Heat guard Dwyane Wade told the Associated Press last week that he hopes to see LeBron pick up both awards. Wade wants to attend both press conferences for historical value. ‘He’s doing things that probably nobody else in the league has ever been asked to do,’ Heat forward Chris Bosh said of LeBron’s defensive requirements. “I mean, really, who is doing that?’”
    .
    - Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said he spent significant time meeting privately with LeBron last season about embracing the burden he would have to carry in Miami defensively. This season, the communication is less verbal, and sometimes all it takes is a nod between the two. ‘We went through a lot of the ramifications and teaching points last year, so this year it’s much more efficient,’ Spoelstra said. ‘Frankly, we need him to be the most dynamic defensive player in the league for us to be successful.

  • MeloMan15

    also, lebrons one on one defense is a bit overratted. I think Miami’s team defense is what slows people down. They have crazy athletes at every position and they are all willing defenders

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I’m not upset, I’m very calmly telling you, You don’t know what you are talking about. Because you honestly don’t. No emotion involved. Just a plainly obvious observation.

  • SiMoney

    LOL smh, yeah but you do right, “Sports Guy” over here, they probably named the NBA after you since you CLEARLY know what your talking about LOL, oh and since Spoelstra said then its by far a fact lol, oh and since Wade and Bosh stick up for their TEAMMATE then hey its a fact then…oh boy do I hope that Wade doesnt bring up his eficiency stats that NBK gave him, it would all over lol smh, oh man…dont go punching any fire extinguishers lol

  • SiMoney

    Whoaaa MeloMan15, be careful, NBK might get upset about that comment lol, cuz that is just absurd to think that! lol

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    CBosh, Chalmers, Haslem, Battier, Miller and Joel Anthony are “crazy athletes”?

  • SiMoney

    LOL they’re definitely not, i guess i understood but to use “crazy athletes” to describe them is wrong BUT let us allll wait for NBK to come tell us how wrong he is because he is all knowing LOL, all you my man, go ahead…

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    ^Whomever said that is delusional.^

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Should have been Josh Smith.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    I like how nbk just pulled the old “walk away, just walk away.” Sometimes you just can’t get through to some people. LMAO. Good ole SLAM.

  • Jerome

    All NBA players are crazy athletes. Oliver Miller, Greg Ostertaag, Kevin Duckworth and Manute Bol included.

  • blakos

    Ye i thought Tony Allen might get it. But Tysons pretty good. Great communiccator as well, which should be recognised.

  • http://sdfklf.com Jukai

    Great discussion here.
    I wouldn’t have been angry if Lebron had won the award, but I’m not really angry that Tyson won it.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Well Deserved!!

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Jukai, I just want Lebron to hold me against the backboard and put work in in the low post. If he did that, he’d be my DPOY and MVP ;)

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    TYSON <3 <3 <3

  • ChipS

    From 22 to Top 5 in defensive categories. No need to say more. Also, Shump was a big part of that. Lebron is just a freak of nature, he deserves his praise. But Tyson has been the only consistent thing about the Knicks this season. Dude put in work on the defensive end from day one. Well earned.

  • deadbored

    @SiMoney…have you ever heard of passive aggression? because you sound passive aggressive right now. a large part of this argument has been you saying petty things about NBK being “all knowing” and not coming up with very much of a logical argument. the signs of a scared wrong person to me.

  • kidouble

    Tyson Chandler, Ben Wallace, Dwight Howard, Alonzo Mourning, Gary payton, Dikembe Mutombo, Ron Artest, Hakeem, David Robinson, Micheal Jordan. all these players have won the award in the last 20 years. If all in their prime who is the worst defender??

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    I got a chuckle at nbk telling people he’s not upset, which means he’s not. And JTaylor, I cannot believe the stuff coming out of your fingertips today…WOW! Last time you melted down like that was when Bryan Crawford was owning you on SLAM last year.

  • Rnz

    The fact that this dude wins it, says alot about the quality of defense, or lack thereof, in the league right now… SMH

  • deadbored

    The fact that this dude Rnz POSTS HERE, says alot about the quality of basketball I.Q or lack thereof, in the forum right now… SMH

  • Rnz

    @deadbored ..not going to respond to your condescending reply, Instead Im just going to tell you my 2cents. I think that Lebron deserves this award more than Tyson Chandler …and Im not even a LBJ fan..

  • deadbored

    @Rnz, i dont want your money. just dont say ignorant things here and we are square.

  • Rnz

    @deadbored must be a Knick fan

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    Rnz, let me guess “knowledgeable basketball minds” agree with you… SMH

  • everything

    game 3 in MSG! cant wait to see Tyson display his defensive prowess by sliding to the side when somebody’s bout to dunk.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    you could make a case for lebron being DPOY… it was just made lmao

  • http://www.nba.com VanCityBBall

    who and when was the last person to win DPoTY that WAS NOT a big man?

  • everything

    ron artest was the last when he was with the pacers. 03-04 season
    gary payton also won DPOY in 95-96

  • dan

    its kind of a bad joke that bruce bowen never won it. and if u followed the knicks in the 90s its also strange that chandler is the first knick to win that award

  • SiMoney

    obviously “deadbored” is dead bored lol, you definitely didnt read the whole debate, plus you definitely dont know the meaning of being “passive aggressive” lol, please mind your business, thanks lol smh

  • Justin G.

    Bruce Bowen? Only if the D stood for Dirtiest Player of the Year. Lebron deserved this award although I can see the arguement for Chandler. I’m not that upset about it. @nbk, as much as you ALWAYS try to say you’re not upset when people disagree with you the fact is you get quite perturbed. You have a bit of know it all superiority complex that comes out occasionally too. When you are “dismayed at someone’s ignorance” and tell everyone that disagrees with you that they don’t know what they’re talking about, it can make you look like a complete d-bag. Find a better way to present your points that are also not almost completely stats related and you might have an easier time of it. Just a suggestion. BTW, you’ve done a much better job of using “your”, and “you’re” the past couple weeks. Thanks for that :-)

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Justin, REALLY? You come in here every single day and try and critic other’s comment and the argument like you are some authority can determine who is right and wrong and who is being a d-bag. Talk about some kind of superiority complex? You can tell me how I feel, when I’m upset? LMAO gtfoh.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Yeah co-sign Juks, LeBron probably deserved it but I’m not mad that Chandler got it.

  • deadbored

    @SiMioney, cool joke man. yeah my name is deadbored haha! LOL you are just getting angry obviously LOL SMH LOL!! man someone get this guy a relaxing tablet LOL SMH LOL!! he isnt passive aggressive LOL SMH!! HE IS SO ANGRY LOL!

  • deadbored

    oh and while we are on the topic of tact (justin g, NBK and SiMoney), i really dont see how it matters when we are talking about basketball because as you guys are probably aware its not our job to convince each other who is right or wrong, rather it is to advise each other of facts. so if your not doing that, then my friends, youre not doing anything of value at all.

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