Thursday, June 28th, 2012 at 9:30 am  |  141 responses

Lakers, Hawks Discussing a Trade Involving Josh Smith and Pau Gasol?


Despite the Los Angeles Lakers’ stated desire not to make any major roster moves this summer, reports continue to claim that they’re actively shopping Pau Gasol. The latest rumor is that there are talks between LA and Atlanta about a possible swap involving Gasol and Josh Smith. Per the LA Times and AJC: “Smith has been unhappy in Atlanta for more than a year, his dissatisfaction starting after the 2010-11 season because he felt he was an unfair target of criticism by coaches and media members. In separate activity leading up to Thursday’s amateur draft, the Lakers are also open to trading Gasol to a team with a high first-round pick because they covet Kentucky freshman Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Atlanta holds the 23rd pick and cannot help in that area. No deals were imminent for the Lakers, who hold only the 60th and final pick in the draft. They have not had a first-round pick since taking Javaris Crittenton in 2007. Last season, Smith averaged career-highs in points (18.8) and rebounds (9.6) for the Hawks. He is only 26, five years younger than Gasol. If the Lakers struck a deal with Atlanta, they would lose the height advantage that made them one of the longest teams in the NBA — Smith is 6 feet 9, three inches shorter than Gasol — but would instantly become more athletic. Smith is an incredibly active defender and has career averages of 1.3 steals and 2.2 blocked shots. Two years ago, he became the youngest player ever with 1,000 career blocked shots. He has one more year on his contract for $13.2 million and becomes an unrestricted free agent in June 2013 unless he signs an extension. The Lakers would also benefit financially from a deal involving the two players: Gasol has two more years and $38.3 million on his contract. It is unclear which player would accompany Smith to the Lakers in such a scenario. [...] And a big caveat is that his report says the Hawks first expressed interest in Gasol after Los Angeles was eliminated from the playoffs by the Thunder, back when Rick Sund was still Hawks GM. The Hawks have since hired GM Danny Ferry, who says he’s focused more on building long term. Gasol turns 32 next week and is owed more than $38 million over the next two seasons. [...] Smith, who can become an unrestricted free agent next summer, first told the Hawks he wanted to be traded after last season and reiterated that desire prior to this season’s deadline. Smith wants to join a franchise he feels is more committed to winning and play in a market with better fan support.”

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  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    This would be a great deal for both teams. The Lakers finally get that athletic forward they have been looking for and the Hawaks get a legit post threat. Now…only if they can find a way to get rid of JJohnson.

  • bdogg

    as much as i like this..do not see j-smooth as a great fit..short term sure but i do not want to waste a trade of pau for josh smith..maybe that is just me!

  • Myung

    So Pau will end up on the team that drafted him? Interesting… I’m OK with this trade, as long as they’re willing to take Marvin’s contract with Josh.

  • Myung

    Plus, I can’t stand the Lakers OR Kobe, so seeing Kobe having to co-exist with Josh and his love of the all things jumper would be fantastic.

  • T-Money

    that’s a win win. horford has been dying to play the 4 for years and lakers need an athletic guy in the worst way.

  • http://www.twitter.com/_dfrance dfrance21

    Watching Kobe clap his hands in disgust as J-Smoooooooove bricks jumper after jumper from just within the 3 point line is gonna be must see TV.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    Watching a catfight between Horry, Jr and Josh Smith on the regular would make my year.

  • tpathi1

    smh another player kobe will mentally destroy

  • ratguts

    @Jtaylor ATL dug a grave when they gave Johnson that contract, now they have to lie in it with him.

  • T-Money

    tpahi1: i don’t think josh smith can be mentally destroyed. he truly doesn’t give a eff about anyone or anything – which is a good and a bad thing.

  • Myung

    I hated the Joe contract as much as any Hawk fan so I’ll start with that. It was a mistake from the moment it happened (Joe got probably $40 million more than his market value). That being said, it can’t be un-done so there’s no need for us (Hawks fans) to continue griping about it. I haven’t met a single Hawks fan who liked the deal when it happened. We either wanted Joe to leave or have the Hawks offer him roughly $75 to $90 million MAX. NO ONE wanted us to offer him max money. We all know he’s a boring player. We all know he never should’ve been a #1 (he’s best suited to be a #2 player) of a franchise, yet he was clearly paid like one. Blah blah blah. Same old stuff. The rest of the story is this: (1) He’s already played through two years of it (2) There are much worse contracts in the NBA… (3)… especially if you consider that the past two years, Joe has been an All Star (he’s a 6 time All Star) (4) So while he’s overpaid, he’s not an overpaid scrub (like a lot of current players in the NBA) and (5) He is still a very productive shooting guard (currently the position with the greatest scarcity in the NBA) whose game isn’t based on athleticism so his game probably won’t fall off too much, even as he climbs toward his mid-30′s. And that’s only if he plays through the entire contract. I’d like to see us amnesty him in a year or two. The only reason we’d even consider using it right now is if Dwight would agree to play in his hometown, but he hasn’t indicated at all that he wants to play in Atlanta. There are no other players out there this summer who are worth gutting our team for so we might as well ride it out with him for a year or two and continue to get All Star value out of him, even if he is overpaid. But for sure, I completely agree with the assessment that Joe’s contract really hampered us for the next few years. We all knew that was going to happen the moment the ink dried. It is what it is.

  • Reggie06

    Yea its good enough only if we cant get tops 15 first roynd pick

  • Ldub

    I like the trade for both sides. Tpath…I think Kobe wants to win more than anything. Yes Pau was a great teammate, but Lakers gotta look at the future. If I had a choice I would rather play with Smith in 3 years than Pau in 3 years (and on the decline)…its a smart move.

  • Reggie06

    Hate typing on ipad damnn

  • Bt

    People forget 2010 was an inflated free agent market. Market value for JJ THAT YEAR was a max contract. When that many teams have cap space you’ve got to pay more than you’d like. Also, realistically if they let Joe walk who would they have bought in in the last two years?? Atlanta isn’t exactly a hot free agent destination. It wad either overpay for Joe or overpay for 3-4 role players. The hawks did the right thing

  • tpathi1

    if kobe wants to win more than anything then why would you NOT want to have a team with Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol and Artest? Them three combined with Kobe is easily the best starting lineup in the league…EASILY! You have a defensive stopper who most will agree is a top five perimeter defender still in the league..two big men who CAN average 20 and 10 still (unless a player takes up all the shots, and constantly takes his players out of the game mentally which Kobe is) and you stil have the guy who some how some way dropped 81 pts in a game; I don’t even know who their pg is, but does it really matter? Give me Pau, if you ask me he will be a better player than Josh Smithers even when he is 40 years old.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Stop it. Artest is no longer a top-5 perimeter defender and the lakers no longer have the best starting lineup in the L.
    LA fans have to stop living in the past and begin to face reality. Kobe is no longer the best 2 guard in the world/his huge contract hampers whatever moves LA has in mind, Gasol doesn’t get enough low post touches in MBrown’s offense to affect a game like he once could, LA’s bench/supporting cast is one of the worst in the League and the worst part of it all is that Mike Brown is the head coach.
    Things aren’t looking so bright in sunny La La Land.

  • tpathi1

    i take back the ‘easily’ part, Miami has a great starting lineup too..but you got two of the top 7 players that are 7 ft tall..hell they might just be 2 of the top 5 players that are 7 ft tall

  • Myung

    If you take into account Joe’s age at that time and compare it to other key free agents in 2010 (Amar’e, Bron, Wade, Bosh), you can’t say his market value was $126 million for 6 years. I’d say it was closer to $90 max for 6 years. 2010 was an incredible year for free agents (arguably the best in NBA history). No way Joe should’ve been the highest paid player of that class, yet he was. If we wanted to pay him $21 million a year (which is VERY high), why not at least just do it for 3 to 4 years max. The amount of the contract was pretty wild, but I think the LENGTH was just as crazy. Unless you’re locking in a mega star (think Bron, Durant, Rose, etc) while they’re in their 20′s, you simply shouldn’t give a player like Joe that much money for that long. It just handcuffs the team and hinders them from making additional big moves. I think the right move would’ve been to offer him $80 to $95 for 6 years. If he thought he could get more (at that time, Chicago and New York were his two most likely destinations), then we should’ve called his bluff. Had he left us for either of those two situations, I don’t think Hawks fans would’ve been mad, as long as we knew the Hawks at least tried to tender him a reasonable offer. If it was a low ball offer (like $65 million for 6 years), then OBVIOUSLY we know it was just a case of a cheap ownership group… but that clearly wasn’t the case. Ultimately, the Hawks were in a lose-lose situation that year. If we let him walk, we would’ve blasted them. If we signed him for max money at max years, we would’ve blasted them. But I still think there was a way to save face if you’re Hawks management… and again, that was to offer him a very nice contract and then call his bluff. Throwing a 30 year old guy $126 million for 6 years… it never should’ve happened.

  • Ldub

    All of those dudes (beside Bynum) are on the decline. Pau doesnt like Mike Browns offense. Metta is inconsistent and “STILL” has mental issues. Bynum cant carry at team…and Kobe chucks too much. Idk if he was trying to prove something to the critics that he “still has it” but he failed to get his teammates involved at all. Yes KOBE does want to win and be known as the best…thats a pure fact. But that doesnt mean that his teammates have the same hunger and desire. And when Kobe calls them out, that isnt necessarily saying he doesnt want to play with them…its saying he wants them to play better. And you can have all that talent but if youre not running a system that benefits them…it doesnt matter what they CAN do. Pau is not a jump shooter..he can hit it every now and then but he belongs in the paint! Cosign JT….except I feel kobe is still the best 2 guard playing. Who else would you put above him? Wade?

  • tpathi1

    okay lets break this down…out of all centers in the league right now, where is Bynum ranked? Most will say #2 and bold people will say #1. Out of all shooting guards in the league where is Kobe ranked? Probably #1 or #2, cmon as long as he playing most people will give it up to Kobe on GP alone. Although Artest might be on the decline, he still d’s up and personally i would say that he is in the top 10 at the SF position in the league. And what about Gasol as a powerforward? I would probably say its safe to rank him in the top 5 as far as PF’s go. The fact is the Lakers underachieved big time this year…probably cause of Kobe’s old habits

  • http://www.slamonline.com Keep It Real

    Lakers NEED to do this, and then trade Bynum for D12. D12 and Jsmoove are best friends!!! kobe could shoot his hands off and let them 2 grab every board. There would be no suck thing as a offensive rebound for opponents. MAKE IT HAPPEN BUSS

  • http://Slamonline nbk

    Lakers need to do this. Dwight and Josh are friends so this would improve chances of getting him.

  • pointguardslim

    Josh Smith likely has to take over Artest’s role, and be the small forward LA thought they were getting when they lost Ariza and LA adds a true stretch forward shooter ie Ryan Anderson.

    Pg
    Kobe Bryant
    Josh Smith
    Ryan Anderson
    Andrew Bynum/Dwight

  • Ldub

    tpath…Pau didnt under achieve because of Kobe. He under achieved because he didnt like the system. Brown only feels 1 big is best. Pau underachieved because of Pau. He became hesitant to shoot and when he did it was awful. Yes Bynum can get 20-10 and I have him ranked #1 center right now. But know one else does what he and Dwight do. So its basically a list of 2. Ill give you top 10 SF for Metta (but only on the defensive end). If he isnt clicking offensively (like 90% of the SF in the L can do today) then he is potentially a liability. You cannot put Metta in the same category “overall” as Pierce, James, Melo, KD, Gay, Deng, Iggy, Batum, G. Wallace, Josh Smith, Odom). Push that to top 15 and you have a deal. He can still lock up alot of players…ill definitely give him that. Issue is…you can be ranked high…but that doesnt mean you are producing highly in all areas that will give your team the win. We know what Pau, Metta, Bynum etc CAN do…but if they dont do it…it doesnt matter what name is on the back of the jersey.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    (Future voice)

    Pau Gasol/Andrew Bynum at the same ____ time
    Got a huge size advantage at the same ____ time
    Postin’ up, callin’ for it at the same ____ time
    Horry, Jr tryna shoot it at the same ____ time, at the same ____time, at the same ____ time

    Spike Lee needs to get this ____ on filllmmm!

  • Ldub

    1 big in the paint* no one*

  • lakernation

    Please…. I approve this trade!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY LakeShow

    Yeah, probably wanna make this happen Jimmy dumb, dumb, head. Or wait, that will make Dwight want to come to LA?
    Then your precious Bynum would be gone…
    Not happening.

  • thor

    I Would rather see this happen, than watching Josh leave for nothing next year. But that is only if we can’t get anything better. I mean I have watched Pau a lot, and I know he’s a great player, but he doesn’t bring all that extra stuff that Josh does, the running the floor, the steals, the blocks. Josh is such a valuable player for the Hawks and I, even though it kills me to watch all his reckless jumpers, would hate to see him leave for freakin Pau Gasol.

  • tpathi1

    If Brown feels that one big is best, then he is stupid and should get fired…they won the ring in 2010 with this formula…if the lakers can get BOTH dwight and josh if this trade goes thru then i guess its worth a shot..but i think this is only best if they know for sure Dwight will come thru

  • tpathi1

    i know mwp takes stupid shots at times, but overall i think he has pretty high basketball iq..higher than Gay, Batum, and Smith. Ldub although all of the players you mentioned might be better all around ballers than MWP right now, MWP still plays better d than a lot of those guys, and all of them but KD, James, and maybe Pierce he can shut down atleast 3/7 games in a playoff series…MWP doesnt get enough credit..if MWP was guarding any of these guys they would’t dare throw elbows for space on him and overall most of these guys will be less aggressive thruout a bball game

  • http://www.hoopsworld.com IamYOU

    JSmith: Throw me an Alley-oop kobe!
    Kobe: Just get the Rebound!

    Sorry I just can’t help it…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    So the Lakers athleticism level would go up by about 30 points but their basketball IQ would drop by about 70…..sounds f*cking great for the Lakers.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And a nice move to balance the roster for the Hawks.

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    I would love to see how Mike Brown handles coaching both Andrew Bynum and Josh Smith

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    That wasn’t me. Josh Smith might entice Dwight to want to go there, but LA would still have to get him via trade. And it’s pretty unrealistic to think Orlando will go Dwight for Bynum straight up. Adding Josh Smith will shore up LA’s defense and make them more of a Mike Brown team. You have a PF who wants to play the perimeter instead of forcing Pau to do so, and the Lakers immediately become a viable Pick and Roll defense rather than what they were before. This trade has little to nothing to do with Dwight, despite all the hypothesizing. And I still don’t understand why you try and comment as me in a serious fashion. No offense, but your understanding of what your saying is elementary fake me, it isn’t going to fool people more than every once in a while.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Did you know J smiths hands are so small he can’t even palm the ball? Anyways, you won’t ever get D12.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMo_HcRBnUY LakeShow

    Hey troll nbk, whats up?
    You having a good day?
    What are your thoughts on the Olympics this summer?
    Who’s takin Silver?
    Sorry real nbk, i’m just better friends with the troll now.. I’ve talked to him so much over the last couple weeks. We’re becoming close. Sorry..

  • Sérgio

    JTaylor, if Kobe is not the best 2 guard, who is it then? Wade, whose grumpy knees ate taking away his athleticism and leaving him alone with that shaky jumper? Joe “passive and overpaid” Johnson? James Harden and his disappearing act in the finals? Gimme a break.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Oh dear

  • B.C.

    This trade doesn’t benefit either team, especially the lakers. If they get josh Smith they still won’t win a championship, they only way they can is if they move Smith to the sf position and get a consistent low post pf that can score and rebound.

  • Ldub

    Tpath I said “overall”….and i even said that MWP plays better D. But he is a liability on the offensive end because of his decision making. IMO…he has the best hands and foot work on the defensive end…however he is too inconsistent on the offensive end. (thank you for basically agreeing with what I already stated). And I also made the correction of have 1 big in the paint. We all know Brown is not the coach for the Lakers. His system doesnt work. Not for the group that has been assembled in LA. Everyone knows Pau needs to be in the post…and so does Bynum. We all know the strengths and weaknesses of this team. It seems that Brown is the only one on the planet that doesnt!

  • Ldub

    B.C. nothing you have ever posted makes any sense!! If you move Smith to SF…(with the way Brown has the offense)..he will be away from the basket. Which is what the defense wants. He cannot shoot all that great. He needs to be on the block where he can use his athleticism to score easily. Also if he is away from the basket, because teams know he cant shoot, they will sag. Which will then cause easier double teams on Bynum (who doesnt pass out of them) and it clogs the lane for any player trying to drive! And it benefits both teams greatly. LA gets the young athleticism they very much need. And ATL gets the tall post presence they very much need. Then where does MWP go? You would play your 6-10 athlete at SF and your 6-7 athlete at PF? And just WHO did you have in mind that would be accessible to the Lakers at the PF position that can score and rebound???

  • Fresh Boirdee

    It amazes me that ATL gets viewed like a small market basketball team, with all of the popular music acts, and television and movies being shot here, the weather, the women, the low price of living… you would think athletes would love to play here.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    Like Tpath said, the Lakers have the pieces to win the ‘chip. The Lakers’ true weakness is (i) Horry, Jr’s need to shoot 30+ times a game -regardless if he is shooting less than 40% from the field – at the expense of the bigs and (ii) Brown’s inability to stand up to Horry, Jr out of fear of being fired. They should have won it this year and last year … this is the most underachieving team in the league; however, Lakers fans and mainstream media throw everyone (Brown, Bynum, Odom, Pau, MWP) under the bus but Horry, Jr.

    Lastly, the Lakers are spoiled after the gift they received in Pau. They and their fans are under the impression that the rest of the NBA should serve as their AAA farm system.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    As long as Jim Buss and ike Brown are still in the oranization…..I’m not gonna feel optimistic about anything having to do with the Lakers for awhile. I man sure, Josh mith is a great player but…we already have a gunner in Kobe…..bringing Josh Smith and his NBA 2K10 if you’re playing with Kobe Bryant-like shot selection to LA would simply turn the team into a walking reality show.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    You have to be completely ignorant to call Kobe Bryant “Robert Horry Jr” – ignorant enough to think College develops players better than the NBA. Oh, so this makes sense.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com Shock Exchange

    nbk,

    The my original comment was that Westbrook’s game has suffered by not attending college. Secondly, even Amare Stoudemire admitted that “not attending college has hurt is basketball IQ,” which again flies in the face of your musings.

    For the last time, it is clear that Westbrook has the basketball IQ of someone at the local YMCA who has never played organized ball before. How do you explain that? Either (i) he is not being taught the “science of basketball” at the NBA level or (ii) he is learning disabled. You can only pick one … as the theme from “Jeopardy” plays in finitum.

    By the way, you are back on the list for my autographed copy of my book due out in July. I see through your fake attempts to catch fade with the Shock Exchange.

  • Ldub

    ^^ I was wondering who the hell Horry Jr was. And when I realized it was Kobe, my mind was blown. Some people just dont know basketball, yet feel that just because they have an opinion…its worthy of a posting/comment.

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