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Thursday, July 5th, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  164 responses

Steve Nash Chose the Lakers to Stay Close to His Kids


by Marcel Mutoni @marcel_mutoni

There were some important factors in Steve Nash’s decision to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers over his other suitors from around the NBA: the money ($27 million over three years), Kobe Bryant (Nash and KB spoke this week about playing together), and the opportunity to win a championship before he retires.

Most important of all for Steve Nash, though, is the chance to stay close to his children (who reside in Phoenix) now that he will be living and working in Los Angeles.

Nash explained the move to Hollywood, in a statement provided to ESPN:

“After talking with (owner) Robert (Sarver) and (president of basketball operations) Lon (Babby) we’ve agreed that it’s time for both of us to move in new directions. I approached them and asked if they would be willing to do a sign and trade deal with L.A. because it is very important to me to stay near my children and family. They were very apprehensive and didn’t want to do it. Fortunately for me, they reconsidered. They saw that they were able to get assets for their team that will make them better, assets they would not have otherwise had and it made sense for them to do a deal that helps their team get better.”

“I couldn’t be more grateful to the organization and Robert in particular. I know how hard this was for him and that fact that he was able to help me and my family in this way … it means a lot and says a lot about his character. I will never forget this gesture. Above and beyond. The Phoenix Suns are an amazing organization and fans should be excited about their future. I hope the Suns win a championship some day soon for all the amazing fans and wonderful people in the organization.”

According to the report, Ramon Sessions — who opted out of his contract in search of a longer, richer deal — is no longer in the Lakers’ plans going forward.

L.A. will reportedly keep the core of Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum and Steve Nash together next season as the organization looks to get back into NBA title contention.

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  • L Dribble

    Class. It will be interesting to compare this outgoing statement with D12′s.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jahmai

    He certainly didn’t do it for the money.

  • http://www.slamonline.com spit hot fiyah

    good reason. respect

  • T-Money

    i guess people are very selective when they criticize nba players for “ring chasing”, “taking the easy way out” or “teaming up like a bunch of schoolgirls”. not mad at nash for making the best decision for himself, merely pointing out the inconsistencies.

  • T-Money

    Yeah he CERTAINLY didn’t do it for the money, he took 11 million dollars less than. He could have. Pppl can stop saying all he cares about is money now…

  • T-Money

    @tmoney: dk why it has me posting as u… but yeah, he’s doing it for his kids. Otherwise he’d probably have taken the knicks or raptors deal. First ppl say he doesn’t care abt winning,

  • kh

    As a Lakers fan I am ecstatic, as a Nash fan I am happy he has an opportunity to win a ring, and as a father I understand he wants to be close to his kids. Good Luck Steve, Kobe and crew! I am jacked for the start of next season!!!

  • T-Money

    (Cont.) And that all he cares about is money, now he’s a ring chaser. Some people can just never win, damned if u do, samned if u dont

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    BS. The reasons why he choose LA was the chance to win a championship and he still gets paid a good lump sum on top of that.
    All this nonsense about his kids is just a way to avoid looking like a ring chaser.

  • Toronto

    SMH at Colangelo right now, dude you suck. Spent 20M to block the NYK trade. Guess you didnt realize there are other teams in the league. Shameful

  • T-Money

    nash would never have been blamed for any decision he could have made. like lebron would not have been applauded for any decision he made (people don’t remember now that they think he’s a traitor but it was very chic to say before the decision that he would have been a coward to stay in his comfort zone in cleveland and not pursue greatness). the game is not the same for everybody, that’s just how it is.

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Smart move. But will they win a championship?? hmmm..
    Anyway, so what if he went to LA in pursuit of a chip. He does deserve one.
    Wonder what jersey number he will wear? – 13 is retired.
    Can’t wait for the new season to start already.

  • T-Money

    There goes jtaylor again with all that crap again lol. And was a 39 year old nash just compared to a not even in his prime yet lebron james? Difference? James is a player a team cud revolve around, there was no reason for him to go join forces with noone. Nash isn’t that guy anymore. Simple.

  • T-Money

    @jtaylor: u do know he took 11 mil less than he cuda right? Its for his fam. Fam was a big reaason why he resigned bak in 09(10?) And ppl called him stupid and thought it was just for money, but he didn’t wanna move his fam that was settled. His decision this year heavily based. On family again, what’s so hard to believe about it? It seems to be a trend in his decision making…

    Also, weren’t u like the first to say he was all about the money and didn’t care about winning when reports of him joining the raps arose? Now he’s a ring chaser, cuz he took less money and wants to win? Talk about contradictions lol…

  • triyo

    I hate the Lakers, but Nash is such a good dude…this sucks, I’ll have to slightly root for them from time to time

  • T-Money

    t-money at 10:03: can you please stop posting under my name? kthxbye.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Fake or Real T-Money, don’t go there with me. I’m tired of everyone pampering and refusing to criticize Nash like any other mutiple time MVP winner that hasn’t even sniffed the Finals would have been. The man has continued to get a pass his entire career and now people are doing the same by acting like him going to LA was strictly for the “kids”.
    Stop sugar-coating sh*t and speak the truth. The man is ring chasing, which I have no problem with.

  • T-Money

    @tmoney: i can’t, i’ve tried. Im definitely not into posting as other screenames lol

    But for whoever wants to know, its rainman

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7C0vd-L5lg Munky

    All you gotta do is erase the name bruh.

  • jimmer

    Yeah, check out that cloak and dagger Nash jerk chasing money… I mean chasing a ring… I mean, using his kids as an excuse to chase a ring…I mean uhh, uhh, stealing my grandmothers house… I mean uhh uhh…..
    Good chance to succeed, good mid level contract, keep his kids settled in school. Standard set of decisions for any career man entering middle age.

  • T-Money

    Well like i’ve said, damily tends to be a big part of decisions he has made in the past (09 as the example i used) so it isn’t hard for me to believe. Noone thought it was anything other than money related then either (and nash rook his team to within a ron artest buzzer beating put bak away from the finals) so im not surprised yalll aren’t believing it now, but its perfectly logical

  • tpathi1

    this doesnt even make sense..nash goes to LA for the kids? your helping your family out more if you bring home more bread plain and simple…he went to LA cause this is his best chance to get a ring, end of story..with all that being said the lakers finally have a pg and maybe someone who will override kobe’s decision making during games..this is definately a team that should be favored to go to the nba finals

  • thursti

    Jtaylor I’m pretty sure before at some point during the season Nash made it clear that he was going to join a contender whether that was Phoenix if they could manage it or another team. This whole family thing is probably why he chose a contender that was close to Phoenix rather than a team like New York. And let’s be honest, Phoenix does not fit the bill as a contender

  • https://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m skeptical about Nash playing with two dominant big men in a slower pace.
    When has he succeeded in that role, and had team success? When Terry Porter slowed things down in Phoenix, they ran him out of town to install Alvin Gentry just to keep playing uptempo and keep Nash happy.
    Am I the only person who remembers this?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    He didn’t choose NY because the Knicks are as close to winning a chip as the team he just left (PHX).

  • T-Money

    @jtaylor: but. I thought all nash cared about was money…?

    And yh, nothing is workibg, wont comment till this name issue clears up, and i can post as myself

  • L Dribble

    I imagine that most people who think that this explanation is “BS” don’t have kids.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    All you have to do is change the information in your comment box. Better yet, erase all cookies in your internet browser, that should solve the problem easily.
    And Nash does like money. I’m surprised he decided to go with a deal for only $8 million. But, I imagine the marketing opportunities in Los Angeles made it somewhat easier to accept. Then again, he could have gone to New York as well. The kids definitely played a role.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    This is also the first time that Kobe has ever played next to another ball-dominant perimeter player. So it’s going to be interesting to see how he adjusts playing next to Nash and vice versa.
    I haven’t been this exicted for a season to start since….last season.

  • jimmer

    Allen, a good coach will play to the strengths of the talent he has. This should be Nash hitting kobe from off the ball screens and cuts, feeding pau on the pick and pop, and pick and roll, and getting to the hoop to drop off dishes for Bynum to slurp up. All the other lakers, and the coach, have to do, is trust a pass first point guard to have the ball in his hands the majority of the time and make the right decision with it, not run plays where the PG just drops the ball into the post for a big man to go iso, which is all shaq wanted to do when he got to phoenix, and is all porter wanted him to do with him. As for Kobe, same thing, the whole thing will come down to trust and adjustments. Everyone trusting and utilising what they have, which is a pure PG. Whether that pans out, who knows.

  • jimmer

    *to do with him*

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7C0vd-L5lg Munky

    Mike Brown is a good coach? His non-existent offense is part of the reason Gasol is a non factor on this team now.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7C0vd-L5lg Munky

    Mike Brown is a good coach? His non-existent offense is part of the reason Gasol is a non factor on this team now.

  • pposse

    this trade makes sense tho..wasnt mike browns whole agenda last year to get pau gasol in more pick and rolls?

  • Mas

    The good character guys on the team (Gasol and Nash) are still out numbered by the knuckleheads (MWP, Bynum and I’m the fence with Kobe). This means that coach Brown will still have to play Kobe’s way and not his own. Tough job for a good coach.

  • pposse

    if i had kids, i dont understand why you would take any pay cut..in order to provide for my family and their family and their families families wouldnt you want to make the most money possible when you can? I mean cmon these are basketball players, sure they workout year round but the season is 8 months!…he probably will make the difference up in LA with marketing and things, but for him to put his seeds out there like that is not doing himself a favor…he opens the door for criticism.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Look…I never said that his kids never played a role in choosing LA but for people to sit here and act like the boy isn’t ring chasing is funny to me.
    I guess certain star players are held to different standards.

  • James aka…

    If he was soley about winning, he could have gone to Miami, and fit in well there, where his greatest liability would have been masked by teaming with 2 excellent permiter defenders in wade and Lebron. If it had been only money, it has been noted that he had 2 better offers. Like anyone, there are multiple reasons you make a decision. If it had been only his kids, he would have stayed in phoenix. If money played no role, he could have signed directly with the lakers for much less than 8 per year. If he didn’t want a ring, the raptors and knicks are an excellent choices. To say that he is only about any one thing though is the product of a simple mind. His motivations are fairly straight forward but they are plural, just like anyone. The reasons Lebron got grief for his decision was the unwillingness to suffer a long career before settling for a lesser role on another superstar’s team (like malone and payton tried), but more importanly because he put on a colossal marketing fail with the broadcast of his choice, followed by the poor display of sportsmanship, and infantile pre-achievment gloating with his new teamates. Without the latter event most especially, the hatefest would have been greatly diminished if not totally absent.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nash’s effectiveness and value decreases when the game slows down and defense becomes equally as important as offense. Also, Bynum needs consistent post touches. Pau showed last year that’s he’s most effective in the post, not shooting jumpers. The Lakers will have to really, really work to find a balance between Nash’s bread and butter, the pick and roll, and what Bynum, Kobe and Gasol currently excel at doing. It’s perfectly possible, but it will require all four of their best players to make sacrifices and changes.
    Who is going to take the lead and make those changes?

  • pposse

    nash will take the lead..allenp this is probably the one pg in the game right now that kobe has respect for..the guy is older and very well decorated as a ball player..if kobe and the bunch can’t follow that lead then i kobe will forever be a lost soul

  • jimmer

    Indeed Allen, indeed. I agree with Pposse, unbelievable to say, but I think kobe will actually adjust well. And Munky, I said ‘a good coach’, not, ‘mike brown is a good coach’, i.e we will find out with this little experiment whether he is or not. It is bynum who needs to figure out that if he is in the right place at the right time, he will only need one bounce of the ball or even just a pivot to get his points. Its up to brown to put him there and trust nash’s decision making. Kobe and pau i basically see as intelligent ballers who will thrive at their positions. We’ll see.

  • http://thahiphopcorner.com Kevin

    Now I got to listen to another season full of crap from delusional Laker fans again SMH

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    Nash should’ve gone to the heat. w/ him and an athletic shot blocker they have virtually no holes in their roster. let’s be completely honest here nash’s main reason for doing this is to get a ring. anybody who says otherwise or sugarcoats it is a fool or a liar. He won’t get any flak for it though because he’s steve nash the most well-liked white baller… ever.

  • kid23

    Nash! Salute!

  • AQWORD

    How many MVPs does Stevie hold ? & Kobe? .. :-)

  • LA Huey

    Glad Nash made this decision considering the options he had. I understand wanting to be closer to family, going for a chip, and getting paid. I don’t blame any player for that.
    This makes the Lakers interesting to watch for me again. Curious as to how Nash will fit in.
    Ramon Sessions is probably cursing himself now, right? He probably opted out because he thought he had LA by the balls and Kupchak would overpay to retain him.

  • http://slamonline.com Datkid

    also cosign AllenP…Nash is an upgrade but he doesn’t fit as well with the lakers as he’d fit with certain other teams.. they’re just too slow. however if they get dwight that problem goes away. w/ him on there running the break, using the P&R, blocking shots LA has a long fast front court that can get out in transition and work it inside once things slow down.

  • AQWORD

    Dont worry Kevin it will wither in the playoffs.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    the Lakers aren’t championship favorites by any stretch. But i am genuinely excited to see how this turns out.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Oh and Nash is still not chasing a championship. He took the deal where he could get the most money on the best team he could. I understand the “close to his kids” aspect, but really, he’s making $8.9M (by far the most any “contender” could pay him) if he wasn’t getting something closer to $10M, you can bet he would have ended up in Toronto.

  • RunNGun

    Classy. The rest of the league should take note and follow Nash’s example (especially D12, LBJ, and so on). Good pickup for the LAkers but Russell Westbrook will still run circles around Nash on defense.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7C0vd-L5lg Munky

    Free agents don’t need to write love letters to management of their former clubs. It was a nice touch but it’s hardly something each player needs to follow.

  • Kabraham15

    Cosign nbk.

    I think people need to remember that the lakers had the same amount of success and chance to win a ring as the pacers did last season. Adding a good but aging pg doesnt give anyone a reason to “OMG WATCH OUT MIAMI/OKC”. If anything, it screws up the team chemistry (if there ever was any since mike brown got there).

  • OTB

    I’m less worried about how Nash will fit in, and more worried about Mike Brown fudging this up. This is the same guy that had Gasol playing 18 feet from the basket when he’s a beast on the block – I don’t trust him as a coach in the slightest.

  • hyperactive

    seriously? just be real about it. if he wanted to stay close to his kids he would have accepted phoenix`s offer. $27 million over 3 years for a 38-year pg who has never missed any significant time due to injuries or other factors is a big payday. the only other offer that was better was toronto`s 3 yr, $36 million. with the endorsements deals he will get in la vs in toronto nash will makeup for that $3 million a year difference plus he clearly teamed up with kobe, gasol and bynum to chase after a ring. this is something that many players have been shunned and scrutinized for but nash is doing it for the kids?? pleeeeeease. keep it real with yourself and the fans. too much fake postering.

  • OTB

    And yeah, the Lakers aren’t that much closer to a championship. Not until a) Gasol is utilized more effectively by that moron Brown and b) they have an actual bench.

  • OTB

    @hyperactive….

    Why would he resign with PHX when he just played there last season and didn’t win anything? He wants to be close to the kids and actually try to win a ring. Nobody can say Nash is “ring chasing” – that makes it seem like he has nothing left to contribute. Mitch Richmond ring-chased; Nash did not. The fact that he’s still getting paid 8 million a year or so shows that he just made a wise FA decision. Why would he play for the Knicks or Raptors? He’s not trying to prove his worth as a player – he wants to win, so he chose the team that will best help him do that. I don’t understand all the backlash, it was a simple decision.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I’m thinking there will be a three team trade with Orlando and Houston. Dwight to LA with another couple pieces, Bynum and Houston pieces to Magic, Pau to Rockets.

  • OTB

    I think its not as black and white as some of you are saying it is. Its a little bit of wanting to be close to his family, and a little bit of wanting to have the best chance to win. Why act as if he’s creating a farce act? Believe it or not, these guys actually have families they care about!

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Oh yeah, I just remembered, Kobe and Nash are both ’96 draftees as well. Awesome.
    A little thought for y’all ..
    In ’96, if someone asked you which rookie would win the most MVPs in his career…..How many woulda said that white guy from canada?
    Anyway, I’m excited for Nash and Kobe to team up. Epic Backcourt.
    Bet Nicholson is happy.. (I would give my kidney to have Jack’s seat)

  • pposse

    the backlash is there cause he prefaced his decision on his kids…and thats the world we live in

  • OTB

    And before anyone drops a Lebron reference, no, he did not “ring chase”. It was unorthodox what he did because nobody had left via free agency IN THEIR PRIME to join another Top 3-5 (at the time) player and potential MVP candidate in Wade. Again, “ring chasing” is doing what Mitch Richmond, Alonzo Mourning, or Gary Payton (on the Heat) did.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I personally think Kobe will probably realize that he, Pau, and Bynum have to make necessary adjustments to fully blossom as a team, and that he will make the adjustments necessary. Heck, ring #6 depends on whether he’s willing or not to make adjustments playing with an actual true point guard.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Who has the better backcourt?
    New Jersey or Los Angeles?

  • anonymous

    this is a reincarnation of the 2003 lakers team (payton, kobe, malone and shaq) except no shaq, no phil jackson and the same me first-shoot first (even when my teammates are open) bryant 8-9 years older. why not add grant hill to the mix as well?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7C0vd-L5lg Munky

    Brooklyn.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    I’d probably side with Brooklyn’s back court. Barely

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I say Brooklyn.
    Those boys can defend. That ain’t happening with Kobe and Nash in your backcourt.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    I’d go with Brooklyn….very barely though. I wish Kobe wouldn’t play centerfield D as much, as least he’s not horrible at it…..I’m not even sure if Nash tries sometimes

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Right. Offensively it’s LA. But defensively it’s Brooklyn by a mile.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I can’t even say offensively it’s LA for sure.
    They might have a small advantage, but Deron Williams is a 20 and 10 guy on offensive. And he is the type of guy who can go get buckets for you at any time, and is ready and willing to play the role of dominant scorer. He’s not the distributor Nash is, but he’s not too far off.
    Kobe put up more points than Joe Johnson, but I’m not convinced he’s better suited to scoring with a dominant point guard than Joe. After all, Joe Johnson has done it already. I’ve always felt that the biggest issue with Joe was where he was catching the ball and how he was being asked to get buckets. I wish they would post him up more. He has all the tools to be a problem down there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Ehh, we’ll see. Kobe has the IQ to adjust accordingly really. He just has to make adjusting one of his top priorities this year.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Offensively they are close, I just give the NBA’s leading scorer + it’s most efficient PG the nod. Idk how well they WILL mesh, but they can be scary good. Could go either way though imo

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Yeah, it could be a disaster if Kobe tries to ignore the fact Nash distribution skills and the use of them should be option 1A, while Kobe using his abilities to score should be option 1B. But I think Kobe’s a little too old for that ish.

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    For the sake of my entertainment I hope Kobe is mature enough to realize what’s best for the team.

  • Drig

    @Allen…..Kobe has shown that even at this age, he can knock down open ( and wide open ) shots with ease. The problem was the lack of any good spacing on the floor and Kobe being unable to elevate above the defender to get his shot off the way he wanted to even if a defender was all over him. Nash can help with that. Rumors are swirling about Pau for Smith trade ( dunno how it helps Atlanta ) and the ever-present Bynum-Dwight trade. I think one of them is gonna happen soon enough. One thing’s for certain, this team is gonna look god awful on some nights early in the season and spellbinding atleast on O on others. I hope Nash’s passing is as infectious as it is being heralded by ESPN guys…….I hope so.

  • Drig

    For the sake of everyone, I hope Kobe does this. But what remains to be seen is how MikeB does his job and gets the best outta everyone. Call me crazy but I think having Pau/Bynum come off the bench with Hill in the starting lineup in the Harden/Manu role would be better for everyone. Pau’s the only guy with a big enough heart to do it though……… that’d help the bench out and keep the starting lineup competitive enough.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t understand why they are hellbent on trading Gasol. I like Gasol and Nash together. I actually think the Lakers, as currently constructed, are looking okay. But, the issue is who will be willing to sacrifice. We all saw that Miami won because of their willingness to sacrifice and their complete desperation.
    Do the Lakers have that yet? Or are they satisfied with a good run?

  • pposse

    the lakers already had an illegal squad..two seven footers in your starting lineup?! and both of them are in the top echelon in scoring by their position..all the lakers needed was a true pg.and they get steve nash?! this team is going to be hard to handle..it does make sense to get josh smith and or dwight howard just so they have young pieces around to build with for life after kobe and nash..but omg if you guys really dont think that the lakers are serious contenders at this point then you guys are looking into this at some incomprehensible angle!

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Whoa. nba just got shaken up. I think they need dwight. But with this roster, back to top three seeds.

  • http://slamonline.com badnewsballer

    Back to the top 3 seeds? They were top 3 last year wout Nash! This might give them a better chance for Howard.

  • Roi

    Allenp, deron is no where NEAR the distributor that Nash is. He has always been very much a scorer, cut more from the mold of a Rose than a Nash or Rondo.

  • Alex

    Nash is going to give Kobe an MVP year to make up for stealing his 2006 MVP

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    @Allen At first, I blamed Gasol’s recent struggles on him…..but now I’ve realized Mike Brown’s silly idea that has him taking jumpers like he’s Larry Bird is what’s making his game suffer. With the addition of Nash, Gasol can be more of the post guy he’s supposed to be…as long as Mike Brown doesn’t go all delusional on us.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Roi
    We disagree. Deron played at a slower pace than Nash when he was in Utah and still averaged like two fewer assists.
    Last year he shot more in Jersey out of necessity, but the year before when he first got dealt he averaged like 12 or 13 assists per game. At Illinois he was touted as pass first, he became more of scorer at Utah when his jumper improved.
    We shall see.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Clippers picked up Chauncey and Jamal Crawford. So that means no Ray Allen most likely. So he will decide between more money in Boston and a better shot at a ring in Miami.
    I say he goes back to Boston.

  • Drig

    @Allen, I’m with you when you say Gasol’s game meshes more with Nash than Bynum’s game on O. No questions there. But Gasol’s getting older and LAL are reportedly looking to ship him out to also save some cash. Simply put, LAL would rather trade Pau than Bynum. And that’s how LAL fans need to look at the future whether they like it or not. And honestly, I think we need a bench more than we need Pau. If we can have a mini Denver-NYK trade for Pau, I’d take it.

  • Drig

    I’m gonna miss joking about the Celtics’ average age if we also pick up Grant Hill………Sigh.

  • Thomas Abdelmessih

    I’m very happy to see Nash in a lakers jersey, but this is a HUGE clash of styles. Nash needs to play at a fast pace to be successful, having the two bigs Gasol and Bynum prevents that. I actually think that getting Nash is a sign that the Lakers are getting ready to trade Bynum for Dwight. Dwight is a perfect pick n’ roll big for nash. Bottom line the Lakers have to make another move, you can’t have the twin towers and play fast as well. If Mike Brown can make this current roster play to their potential, he deserves COY hands down.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Yo Yo, Hello!

  • Roi

    There’s a huge misconception that Nash requires an uptempo offense to do well. The suns ran mostly a half court pick and roll offense last year and Nash still averaged 11 assists while having Gortat as his only finisher. Allenp, tell me this: has Deron ever been credited with making his teammates better the way that Nash has? The answer is no and it explains why Nash is a FAR better distributor than Deron.

  • Ill Smith

    If you’ve accomplished all the individual goals possible (MVPs, countless All Star Games, top 5 assists all time) & dedicated yourself to a franchise for 8 years that managed to lose every All Star around you one by one (1st Joe, then Marion, then STAT) by the age of 39, why aren’t you allowed to ring chase. I don’t get the logic here. You play to win. If I can be in a winning environment, get paid comfortably & be close to my kids wtf is the problem here? Nash has nothing left to prove as a player, he can ring chase if he wants DUDE IS 39!

    Oh & Joe Johnson/DWill over Kobe & Nashty? LOL. The same DWill would couldn’t get the Nets from the bottom of his division & JOE EFFING JOHNSON better than 3 MVPs, bout 30 ASGs, plenty All NBA 1st Teamers & top 5 all time at their positions……worse than something including Joe Johnson. Stop smoking that ESPN hype they ain’t no better than a 5th seed out East. Lakers got the best front court AND backcourt in the L now. & I’m a Celtics fans but I accept it: Lakers are back in the title hunt.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    How would we credit NOT Deron with making his teammates better?
    He got Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur and AK47 massive free agent deals and all star game berths.
    Where are those three now? And while injuries had something to do with, the truth was that all three players were extremely flawed as players and Deron and Sloan’s systems masked their problems.
    Nash is credited with making players better because that’s the narrative people like to use.
    Amare, Marion and Joe Johnson were all great before they met Steve Nash. Besides those three players, who has Nash made better? Name one guy. Can’t say Hakeem Warrick who was supposed to be the perfect athletic big to run with Nash. Can’t say Josh Childress who was supposed to replace Marion with ease.
    Dirk played better without Nash. Amare has played just as well without Nash. Joe Johnson as well.
    Adjust the stats on Deron and Nash for pace and watch their games. And what you’ll find is that while Nash is a better distributor, he’s not that much better.
    But it’s ok, you believe what you’ve been taught about Nash. That’s fine.

  • Jerome

    For whoever it was commenting about $11million less not being enough for his kids … give your head a shake. The most important thing one can spend on kids is time. Way to go Nash.

  • Roi

    03-04 suns won 20 games, the next season they won 62. That transformation happened while their core of amare, Marion and jj didn’t go anywhere. Check each of their numbers before and after each of those seasons. Amare and Marion at the same level without Nash? Are you joking. Johnson has been getting better numbers because he’s getting the ball more in Atlanta.

    Who else has Nash made better? How bout boris diaw, Jared dudley, Channing frye, Marcin Gortat, Jrich, robin lopez, Tim Thomas, even Kurt Thomas was producing offensively with Nash on the floor. Above even his passing, it’s Nash’s leadership that brings his teams together – he brings a culture that elevates teamwork. I call it how I see it, and deron is not close to Nash in all of those areas even though stats make it appear as if the argument is legit.

  • Ill Smith

    @Allenp Stoudemire played just as well without Nash? Cmon fam, I know you caught at least one Knicks game this year. You aint mention the Boris Diaws, Barbosas, Raja Bells, Q-Richs & Gortats (we’ll see this year) who played the best ball of their careers with Nash. DWill is the younger, better player no doubt. But this past season both played with scrubs: one was in playoff contention up until the last week of the season & one’s season was over before the 1st month was up. Now the one who almost took the scrubs to the playoffs got Kobe/Gasol/Bynum. The other? Joe Johnson & dem. Nuff said.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ok.
    So I see you’re one of those guys. I’ve had this argument way too many times on this board so I will give you the condensed version.
    The Suns won 48 or 49 games with Stephon Marbury as the point guard, Amare as the starting power forward and Shawn Marion as the small forward. Marion and Amare were both right around 20 points a game, Amare was just below 10 boards and Marion was getting 10 boards. Joe Johnson was getting 17 a game. They take the Spurs to five in the playoffs that year in the first round.
    Then, the year before Nash comes over, the team is hit with a rash of injuries and trades STephon Marbury to the Knicks for Howard Eisely. That’s why the team’s record sucked, not because they lacked talent. Injuries and a horrid trade to get Marbury out of town did them in.
    Nash did not “elevate” anyone’s game or make them better. He ran SSOL better than anyone else to ever run it, and he helped players be more efficient, but he didn’t make them better. The system, the pace and the player’s own talents made them look great. It’s quite easy to see if you actually do an indepth study of the players’ stats and the team’s stats prior to Nash’s arrival, and then examine the same information for the Dallas Mavericks.
    Unfortunately, that’s not the dominant narrative, so most folks haven’t done it.
    You’re entitled to your opinion, but it’s not based in reality. JRich was better before Nash, Tim Thomas was a lottery pick who was good in multiple places when he tried, Diaw was only good in a contract year, Channing Frye has been the same player everywhere. Dudley is a spot up shooter. Kurt Thomas once led the nation in scoring in college and has always been able to score. He actually played better with Derrick Rose than Steve Nash to be honest. Marcin Gortat was the exact same player in Orlando and Phoenix, the only thing that changed were his minutes and shots.
    Nash doesn’t elevate team work. It’s amazing how no one notes that since losing the “MVP” the Mavs have been to the Finals twice, and won one championship. This narrative is not based in reality. Nash is a great shooter and passer. Beyond that, it’s all relative.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    This is pretty exciting for me because I loved those Suns teams from 05-10. They were a blast to watch because of Steve Nash. Obviously they aren’t going to run SSOL in LA, but that doesn’t matter. Nash is the best at that system, but he is still a top 10 PG in any system. While the Lakers stay terrible at defending the point, they still have two 7 footers, a former defensive player of the year and a 10+ time defensive first team player in the back court(yes, i’m laughing too). They WILL be a top 10 Defense and Offence team next year. Also, this pretty much does away with Browns lack of coaching. Nash is a floor general. He commands the team to play how he wants them too. Which can be good and bad. They are going to have to run sometimes. They need to get the guys coming off the bench to be a SSOL bench. Barnes needs to strap his track shoes on in addition to Ebanks. Time to run fellas.

  • Roi

    Of course those guys had very much the same skills and talent with or without Nash on the court, but Nash allowed them to put that to use in a basketball game within a context of a team. That is what maximized their production and effectiveness and why they all had their best years with Nash on the team.

  • pposse

    jerome, cmon dog 11 million is 11 million! if you get the opportunity to financially set your generations then you gott to do it..Nash just said the politically correct thing here, he knows he will get that extra money or comparatively so thru advertising jersey sales, marketing, pr. In LA he has the opportunity to make more money than anywhere else. Anyone who is going for the line of him wanting to spend more time with his kids has fallen for his agenda imo

  • Roi

    And you can disagree with my opinion but don’t label me. I’m not a fan who reads media headlines and just regurgitates s***.

  • pposse

    nash is a leader he has intangible qualities that can’t be measured with stats. He is the ONLY guy in that whole LA organization that has a slight chance to check Kobe when he gets out of line (coach included). The only thing the lakers need to do now is get an established coach and they should be favored or atleast ranked as the preseason 2 seed behind OKC in the west.

  • pposse

    with all this being said..how is Nash still worth 8 mill a year? is his level of play going to drop?? He is damn near 40 years old, wtf big ups to him for having all these teams bidding for his services. I wonder if he will swindle the phx training staff to move to LA?

  • Heals

    @Roi, you lost me with “no where NEAR.” I understand where you’re coming from, but sleep on DWill’s “caryy-over” effect at your own peril. Also anybody think that Phx comes remotely close to drafting a player as good as Shump can be with any of those picks they got/will get from LA…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Man, before you debate this with I’m going to politely ask you to check out Amare’s numbers pre and post Nash and with Nash.
    Same with Marion.
    And Joe Johnson.
    And Quentin Richardson.
    Check out Boris Diaw’s career numbers and look at when his best year and Tim Thomas’ best years came.
    And look at the Suns record.
    Otherwise, it doesn’t make sense.

  • Ill Smith

    @AP All fine points. But to say Nash doesn’t make his teammates just slightly better is crazy. Calling it a narrative is trying to underplay what he’s done. Yea, the point might be overblown but like it or not Marion/Diaw/STAT/Barbosa/Dudley/Raja Bell/QRich enjoyed the most success of their careers alongside Steve Nash. You can’t argue this, SSOL or not. Nash is one of the all time GOATs at PG & to say him or Jason Kidd or Rondo don’t make the game easier for their teammates is BS. So yea, thats what we’ll go with that instead of saying better. Nash makes the game easier for his teammates. Sounds less fairytale-ish than ‘makes them better’.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Roi
    If you bring up the argument that Nash turned the Suns around, then that’s what you are doing because actually looking at the numbers shows that popular justification for Nash’s first MVP was ridiculously false.
    Hell, Ray Allen had nearly as much of an impact on the Sonics overall record as Nash in the same year, and his second best players was Rashard Freaking Lewis, and Ray Allen couldn’t get into the top five in MVP voting.
    I’m not pulling that stats for you, but go check he career numbers for Marion, Joe Johnson and Amare. Check what they did before Nash, with Nash and after Nash and adjust for shots and pace. It’s not hard.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Amare was at 20 and 9 in his second year fresh out of high school before he even met Steve Nash. He only played 55 games that year though. Biggest difference with Nash and the new system was efficiency. Amare’s catches were totally different in SSOL than they were under Frank Johnson. I’m surprised more people don’t realize this fact.

  • Ill Smith

    Oh & I did ya research for STAT’s umm….stats.

    Pre-Nash: 16.3/8.9/1.3 blocks/47%

    W/Nash: 23.2/9/1.4 blocks/57%

    Knicks Amare: 22.4/8/1.6 blocks/49%

    Peep the points & FG%. Need I say more? Makes the game easier for his teammates.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Making the game easier is different from making teammates better.
    And the argument wasn’t about whether he did it, the argument was about whether he did it MUCH BETTER THAN Deron Williams.
    Of course he makes things easier for teammates and improves their games. He’s a great point guard. He’s just nowhere near as good as Deron Williams and hasn’t been for at least three years. And he’s not THAT much better at making things easier for his teammates from what I’ve seen.
    People underrate that system so much. Jeremy Lin, Felton, Duhon, even Chauncey. That system is point guard steroids.

  • Ill Smith

    ‘Biggest difference with Nash and the new system was efficiency’. Is that not the EXACT same as saying ‘he makes the game easier for his teammates’?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nevermind man. I can see where this went.
    Amare was more efficient because of the talent around him, including Nash and others, and the system they played in. Plus, he got to play center and hadn’t had so many injuries.
    I thought this was all common knowledge. I see it is not.

  • DoctorMontalban

    Another way he could see his kids more is to not live in Manhattan in the off-season.

  • Ill Smith

    Yea, SSOL could make any NBA PG look like an All Star. Difference is Nash got to the WCF without DAntoni. & I said DWill was better, who in their right mind would argue that? All I’m saying is Nash with Gortat/Warrick/Dudley/Frye/Grant Hill went 33-33. Replacing that nucleus with Kobe/Bynum/Gasol is a certified contender. Can you say the same for DWill/Joe/Crash?

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Co-Sign the narrative on Nash :)
    Rashard ‘freaking’ Lewis was a 20PPG scorer making more than 150, 3 pointers a season. Just thought maybe he was being slighted so I wanted to point that out. Always got Shard’s back.
    .
    I really hope that Lakers management is talking to Brown about his needing to change his offensive “philosophy.” His lack of ingenuity last year has me scared that he might try to make Nash a spot up shooter or something… Common Brown, big money, no whammies, STOP!

  • Ill Smith

    Agree to disagree. You think Nash is only a great shooter/passer who has a minimal effect on elevating his teammates game & if not for SSOL/better teammates around/coaching/injuries/Obama being elected/gas prices going up/whatever other reason you can find, Nash would have zero impact on his teammates. Gotcha.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ill Smith
    You do realize that Alvin Gentry ran SSOL, right? In fact, the main reason they fired Terry Porter and hired Gentry is because he promised to bring back SSOL. It’s not the coach, it’s the system.
    Nash went .500 with a .500 team.
    You assume that the Lakers will be contenders. I think they have the potential, but every player on the roster has to make some changes. And they still have to hope Blake doesn’t get in the lab, the Thunder don’t come back hungrier than ever, and Memphis doesn’t finally put it together. All of those teams have a chance to be better than the Lakers, even with Nash.
    I said Nash makes the game easier. He is a top 10 point guard of all time. But he wasn’t playing with scrubs. Bottom line, what changed in Nash’s game from Dallas to Phoenix? Nothing except the system and the talent around him.
    And now he’s changing systems again and changing talent.

  • http://www.slamonline.com L.E.

    If you talk like in the 3:41 comment then I would think that there isn’t a player that makes another player better.
    Nash is a point Guard with a very good court vision and a big basketball IQ, that makes scoring for his teammates easier. I don’t understand why it’s so hard for you to give him credit.
    And to say, that Dallas has been to the finals twice without him is non relevant, because basketball is way to complex to say that it was because of him.
    I mean I get your point, that his teams didn’t win anything till now, but that’s not his fault. His opponents were to good.

  • http://www.slamonline.com L.E.

    ^Allen

  • http://slamonline.com Brion

    Looks like the Lakers got that defensive minded point guard to shut down opposing guards like Westbrook and CP3. Just Kidding, I hope Nash gets a ring.

  • Ill Smith

    I’m 100 Kobe is tired of these 2nd round exits. He wants #6 & Nash wants #1, they’ll make the right adjustments. Don’t underestimate hungry vets teaming up for a ring: need I bring up the squad that took it in 08? Oh & as far as the West goes Lakers, Thunder & Spurs are the only true contenders…at the moment. If Jesus walks to Memphis they jump in the mix.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    LE
    Two things.
    1. I said he makes the game easier. My contention is he gets to much credit for making players BETTER. It’s hogwash.
    2. The Dallas point goes to the persistent argument that Nash made Phoenix into a juggernaut and that’s proof of how great he is. Yet folks ignore the obvious counter argument that if Nash is so great, and has been so great, how is it that the team that replaced him with Jason Terry was in the Finals within two years, had the best record in the league the year after that, and then recently won a championship.
    Look at the Mavericks run since they lost Steve Nash and look at his run since he left the Mavericks. Based on team success, which team has done more with lesser talent?

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    The funny thing about this trade that no one is talking about is what having Nash does to the Lakers on the defensive end. Everyone talks about how it’s negated by having 2 7-Footers behind him but what they fail to realize is Bynum/Gasol aren’t the greatest rim protectors out there. They are good but how many times did teams like OKC, SA, DAL and MIA attacked the rim at will against LA while Bynum/Gasol looked like deers in headlights.
    Also, the Lakers were one of the worst 3pt shooting teams last season and Nash excels when surrounded by great 3pt shooters.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Taylor… 38 year old Fisher and Sessions were our last two PG’s… It’s not like we went from Avery Bradley to Steve Nash. We went from Sessions to Nash, we cool.
    Now the 3 point shooting is a problem. They gotta find some consistency from beyond the arc. Bynum is probably the 3rd or 4th best Center at defending the paint, so it’s not like he’s a scrub. Pau is not a defensive slouch either.
    The Lakers only upgraded by this sign and trade.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Lakers offense will only improve. For one, Steve Nash makes Pau Gasol more involved instantly. You have Nash, you run pick and rolls. You don’t have isolation plays that feature your post up 4 standing the corner for kick outs. Nash makes that Bynum over the top pass a complete threat. Gasol will be able to do a lot more than he was this year. Basically, Mitch Kupchak is outsmarting his owner, “you want Mike Brown and his offense? then i’m going to get us Steve Nash” — Not that any GM would have turned Nash down after Ramon Sessions and Derek Fisher but still. It was a genius move to make up for the weakness of your coach. Mike Brown’s defense will be Mike Brown’s defense, I don’t think Nash is really going to hurt them from where they were. For one, Sessions is not nearly the defender he should be, and before him, Derek Fisher is pretty horrible. So it’s not really a regression like it would be under normal circumstances.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Co-Sign nbk essentially co-signing me.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    probably started my opinion right before you hit submit to Taylor.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Lake, of course they upgraded but to sit there and act like the defense isn’t going to take a major hit.
    Fisher/Sessions by any means weren’t good defenders but they atleast attempted to move their feet on D every now and then (Fisher also was excellent at drawing charges).
    The 4 teams that are the biggest challenge to the Lakers out west all employ quick, athletic PGs (CP, Russ, Conley, TP) that will force Nash and Kobe to defend them at all times.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    As a true Laker fan that have written essays about how overrated Steve Nash is, getting 2 MVP’s. I still do not like Nash getting those MVP’s and people acting like he is a top 15 point guard all time. Besides that, Nash is a good move for the Lakers, because Nash is a good shooter and passer. Nash will help Kobe when doubled and will get bigs ball better than past point guards. I like the move, but Nash plays no defense and really to me is overrated in the making players better, but for Lakers this is the best move they could make for a better point guard. BOOK IT!!

  • Rainman

    Cosign lakeshow and nbk. Lakers have never had a good defensive pg anyways. And mike browns defence is set either way. They were good on defence, horrible on offence. Nash INSTANTLY improved the offence ten fold, and doesn’t really harm their D. They basically got an offensive coach in nash, and mike brown is the defensive coach. Its like football. Good thinking mitch.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Look we all know that a team’s ability to get timely stops on the defensive end plays a major role in whether or not they win a championship.
    The Lakers lost to OKC because they were never able to figure out how to stop OKC’s perimeter weapons (Harden/Russ).
    The Clippers lost to SA because they had a hard time stopping TP and at times Manu from getting to the rim at will.
    The Thunder beat the Spurs because they were the first team out west to figure out a way to slow down/limit TP’s dribble drives.
    The Heat beat OKC because apart from Game 4, they were the first team to figure out a way to slow down Westbrook and Harden’s from getting the rim at will.
    The Lakers without a doubt improved on the offensive end but they still have the same problems that plagued them the past 2 seasons; lack of 3pt shooting and a backcourt that has a hard time defending athletic teams.

  • http://www.nba.com Dacre

    This will work.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Steve Nash led the league in charges a couple years ago lol – he is a really bad defender, but he is not that much worse than already bad Derek Fisher or Ramon Sessions. He really isn’t.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Lakers still can’t beat Oklahoma City – their issues as a defensive team against quick PG’s will pursist. Their inability to force teams away from the pick and roll will still be their ultimate demise. LAL just has a better shot at getting lucky enough to play the right teams to make the finals now.

  • http://cnbc.com JTaylor21

    Fair enough but do you think they can beat either SA, LA (if BGriff improves) or MEM? Those teams on their best days will be a tough matchup for the Lakers.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Lakers can and will beat the Clippers if they meet in the playoffs both teams healthy. SA would be a toss up. Depending on Bynum or Parker depending on which one is hummin. Memphis is still a ? as to what they will even be next season. They are not in a rosy situation over there, contrary to popular perception. They already have between $55M-$62M (depending on if Speights and Arthur except their $4M & $3M qualifying offers) allocated to next season, without a good back up guard anywhere on the roster. They aren’t in the running to win anything other than maybe 1 round in the playoffs that i can see.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    accept*

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Agree with nbk on the defensive assesment. Nash is actually just as good at taking charges as Fisher and honestly Sessions was absolutely disgusting on defense. He was so athletic and quick I figured he’d be decent at defense. NOPE. So they stay even keel on defense and hugely upgrade their offense. No one can really guard those fast PG’s(Rose, Westbrook etc). They are virtually unguardable except for a few people and teams that are able to figure it out. The Lakers lost extrtememly close games to the Thunder. A few where they really were dominating with 4th quarter melt downs. Nash is going to help with those 4th quarter melt downs a ton. He is clutch in shooting and passing ability.
    .
    Look, obviously they are still a flawed team. Some flaws as glaring as ever (PG defense). BUT, they upgraded and they were in that series with the Thunder.
    Are the Thunder West favorites? Yes. Who’s 2nd? Lakers.
    Western Conference:
    1. Thunder
    2. Lakers
    3. Spurs
    4. Clippers
    (3 and 4 are interchangeable)
    5. Grizzlies
    6. Timberwolves
    7. Warriors
    8. Dallas

  • http://nba.com GP23

    Could LA beat the Heat though in the Finals if they made it there?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Any team with two competent big men can beat the Heat imo. (Competent offensively and defensively). Would i bet on the Lakers against the Heat? No. No way. Cuz Kobe would have to guard someone, and that just doesn’t bode well for LA both offensively and defensively (All that energy spent failing at defense hurts offense). Plus Bosh, typically, is too athletic for Gasol or Bynum. But nevertheless with two seven footers and the two best offensive guards over the last decade, The Lakers have a chance (now) against everyone. A chance.

  • http://www.nba.com Dacre

    This is so awesome.

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/tray-5 T-Ray

    Damn what I miss?

  • http://www.nba.com Dacre

    T-ray. . .the back and forth on here is amazing. As a self proclaimed die hard Nash fan I love reading about him on slam threads and his move to the lakers does it for me.

  • Rainman

    Yh, but what IF (IF) the lakers get dwight? Orlando in my opinion wud have given miami issues in the playoffs. Why? Orlando has the best player at the position miami is weakest, C. Add dwight to nash kobe and pau, to go with mwp and lakers are def the favourites. And no way is bosh too quick and athletic for dwight if that happens lol

  • http://www.nba.com Dacre

    Mike Brown will look amazing as coach. If only because he will have a pg that can create for everyone else. Kobe had only ever had that with a young nick van exel. Who by the way is my second all time fav PG. . . Fisher and Steve Blake facilitate the offense. Nash creates the offense. This will be pau and bynums easiest season ever. Kobe will make it work by allowing nash to orchestrate the team plan. . . . Now about bringing Hill over. ^_^ ♡♡

  • http://Slamonline.com nbk

    Haha yea Dacre I see somethings never change on Slam

  • http://www.nba.com Dacre

    Allenp . . . What if I said that atleast he doesn’t make his team mates worse? The definition of the PG role is to get the team into the offensive sets to be vocal as a mouth piece for the coach on the floor. To look after the ball thus maintaining the possession each time on offense and essentially enable the best shot option is taken. Now where many call nash the kind of player that MAKES his team mates better is based on way he finds those guys so well. . How many times has Nash bounce passed to an open guy through someone’s legs or flicked a hook pass to the open shooter out of the base line? Other PG s take that shot instead or don’t even create that opportunity . In this way nash makes these guys better. He doesn’t make them shoot better or be better but he maximizes on where they are on the floor. They are made better in that sense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com JTaylor21

    Lakers with the All Lowtop Backcourt

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OhGZNLPSOY&feature=related Allenp

    No more arguing about Nash for me. Two different arguments today about Nash and Deron. I’ll just wait until October and keep my mouth shut.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Lakers are seriously favorites over the Spurs? No way.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Hey Allenp. . . I’m not trying to convince you of something else. Your a numbers guy and thats beautiful. It’s what you believe – THE NUMBERS SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT – I have no problem with that what so ever… My only comment is that I see Nash create for team mates in a regular fashion, in ways that other PGs only do sparingly (Rondo is the closest at present and Lin needs to show he can do it for a whole season) and for the most cases with other PGs not at all… To word my opinion (and again thats all this is…an opinion)clearly. It is that Nash DOES MAKE other players better…because if you put a different PG in the same situation you either DO NOT get the same results. And for the love of the slam threads PLEASE DO NOT KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT… your one of the main reasons I like reading these threads!!!
    respect.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    * Add to that list of “OFFENSE CREATING PGs” Chris Paul of course.

  • Yep

    i think the imaginary number that you guys need to consider is the ratios of points nash will create vs. other lakers pgs of the past (considerably more) and the the points his defensive ineptitude will allow vs lakers pgs of the past (more, but not as drastic).

  • http://www.nba.com Dacre

    October. . . Seems so far away.

  • PnoyVibe

    Kobe’s excited, Lakers are excited, Nash’s excited, I’m excited. Fun time :)

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    One could argue that making a player more efficient like an earlier argument presented with Amare as the example, can be construed as making a player better. ie. a car with more efficient gas mileage has better gas mileage. I only skimmed through the back and forth, saw Allen’s dislike for Nash on full display and was gonna keep it moving, but alas find myself coming back. For every number one can present there is a counter-statistic one can present. Nash has amassed one of the highest totals in assists in the past decade, I could go on to draw the line that assists; assist a player score, but it would be kind of redundant, to help something would be to make easier, easier to more efficient, more efficient to better. Plus some people believe it’s an act when guys are humble or are team orientated, Nash is the real deal, same vein as Durant and Rose, (not saying that you cant have an ego and be humble, the whole duality of man and all) but can one take less money contend for a chip and be close to your kids? I think so, I truly believe his decision was 1)Kids 2) contention and obviously the money came as an after thought. I also want to point out that he does not qualify for ring chaser status, his contribution will be major, unlike Gary Payton on the Lakers or the Heat. Shaq on the Celtics, etc, etc , etc.

  • Justin G.

    It’s amazing to me that people, especiall nbk and AllenP, are so stubborn about the reasons Nash chooses to play where he does. The fact of the matter is, you both don’t know jack sh*t about it yet claim that you do. You guys need to face facts that you don’t know what you’re talking about on every single subject related to basketball but especially this one

  • eZ

    My input about this situation; Latest news states that Nash is looking to set up his life after basketball, his movie production company that is…Not saying anything bad about his motives but it does shed some new light on his choice.
    Also I very much have to agree with AllenP, on the idea that there are some red flags about this lakersituation that could foreshadow a not so smooth transition. When defensive minded, slow the game down, terry porter came into phoenix nash didn’t play like his normal self. Also, nobody mentioned Shaq. He was there to be the benificiary of nash passes and they would be a devastating duo. But it didn’t work and people started to analyze that maybe a big post player like shaq was clogging the lane for nash, who likes to penatrate the lane and keep his dribble alive.. The suns didn’t manage to make the playoffs with a healty shaq, stoudemire and nash that year..
    Now in LA you’ve got mike brown, bynum in the post together with gasol and a balldominant player in kobe. Kobe is a good shooter but usually shoots from the dribble, not catch and shoot. And ofcourse defense.
    I think the Lakers have enough talent to make it work but it will require a lot of adjustments and sacrifice and a change in mentallity. I don’t know if players with ego’s like bryant and bynum will be capable of those things, and nash seems like a gasol 2.0 in that he will quietly become more and more passive and frustrated.
    That’s it….oh wait did i mention steve’s ailing back and phoenix great medical staff who will no longer be helping him?

  • Allenp

    It is amazing to me that you can’t read. I spent two comments discussing where he is playing and said obviously his kids were important. The rest of the time I spent discussing the impact his moves make.
    I don’t dislike Nash. I dislike arguments based primarily on subjective, inexact points. Those are just beliefs and I don’t like arguing about beliefs. Everyone should have them but we should avoid arguing about them.
    Nash’s greatness is a direct function of his talent, the system he ran and the players he played with in Phoenix. I tend to give more weight to those last two things than most people.

  • pposse

    Cosign NBKs comment at 6:47, last year when the lakers finally beat the heat in the regular season game it became apparent that if d wade has bad games and kobe takes advantage at the ft line that there will be a clear advantage for the lakers imo

  • Bostonballer

    I’ve always like watching Nash play, he does make the game easier and opens the middle with his shot (when he’s not dribbling in the paint) I’ve never really liked the term “makes players better”. players get better with practice, experience… players compliment other players or make the game easier for them. Fisher didn’t make KB better, he complimented him well. MJ didn’t make Scottie better, they complimented each other well. IMO

  • pposse

    and now with steve nash in the mix, a proven veteran, the lakers have a shot against any team in a seven game series..im goin to say it right now if nash stays healthy by mid february vegas will have the lakers favored to go to the finals for sure

  • http://www.slamonline.com TADOne

    I think one point that hasnt been brought up and should be is Nash and his creaky back. Everyone pretty much agrees that PHX has the best medical and training staff league wide. I’m not too sure about the Lakers trainers but Nash will be 39 when the season starts and 41 when this contract ends. How many games will he actually play??

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/10/nfl-players-advice-to-lebron-james-stick-to-basketball/ shutup

    check the player reaction to steve nash on the Lakers. Jared Dudely says thanks Steve Nash for making me a better player. nuff said.

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