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Monday, October 15th, 2012 at 9:50 am  |  192 responses

Kobe Bryant Cares About Winning–Not Being a Good Teammate


After spending a few days last week lighting up former teammates who he felt never lived up to their end of the bargain, Kobe Bryant explained in detail the thinking behind his style of leadership. From KB’s Facebook page: “Leadership is responsibility. There comes a point when one must make a decision. Are YOU willing to do what it takes to push the right buttons to elevate those around you? If the answer is YES, are you willing to push the right buttons even if it means being perceived as the villain? Here’s where the true responsibility of being a leader lies. Sometimes you must prioritize the success of the team ahead of how your own image is perceived. The ability to elevate those around you is more than simply sharing the ball or making teammates feel a certain level of comfort. It’s pushing them to find their inner beast, even if they end up resenting you for it at the time. I’d rather be perceived as a winner than a good teammate. I wish they both went hand in hand all the time but that’s just not reality. I have nothing in common with lazy people who blame others for their lack of success. Great things come from hard work and perseverance. No excuses. This is my way. It might not be right for YOU but all I can do is share my thoughts. It’s on YOU to figure out which leadership style suits you best.”

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  • http://www.facebook.com/JeremydeSa Jeremy de Sa

    You’re a jerk… just a jerk.. there are things more important than your basketball legacy.

  • Jer dawg

    Good publicist editing right there. I could totally see lots of f bombs and s words and a few MFs if he was being quoted in making this statement. Yes, Kobe is an a hole. But I’m a fan.

  • Karl

    You’re not a leader Kobe. Without Shaq, you would only have two titles AT BEST. Remember when things got tough in 2007 and you said you wanted out of LA? Is that what a leader would do? Quitting and trying to whine your way out when things get hard? You’ve shot your team out of more games than you have won for them.
    You’re trying too hard Kobe Bryant. We already know what kind of person you are by what’s coming out of your mouth. Being a leader is not one of those qualities you possess.

  • zogs19994
  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    Alot is people forget that shaq was the finals MVP for the lakers 3 peat. Avging atleast 34 points n 15 rebounds

  • Omnixyience

    So Lebron James is not a leader for quitting on that ECF against the Celtics
    way back and for jumping ship to go to Miami to play with another star or two..RIIGGHHT!
    Quit blabbing like you know what a true leader should do and not to do you’re opinion holds no weight same as mine.

  • Chris Childs

    Kobe Bryant’s recent comments about Smush Parker continue to illustrate how much of a trivial, petty douchebag the Lakers superstar is. Not surprising is the reaction by much of the basketball media. Spineless, brown-nosing, dick riding douchebags themselves, basketball media has excused Bryant from his latest instance of pompous, arrogant and condescending insults towards a former teammate. Bloggers ran to Twitter in Kobe’s defense, citing Smush’s perceived lack of NBA success as validation for Bryant’s comments, many saying that Smush did indeed, suck.

    Smush sucking is beside the point, God’s name is Kobe speaking about that man? Smush is somewhere overseas continuing to earn a living for his family, providing, and Kobe Bryant is thousands of miles away lamenting about the failures of the two seasons that Smush played for the Lakers. Where is his class, where is the dignity Kobe? It’s not about being liked or loved by teammates, or even being a good teammate for that matter. It’s the suggestion that a grown man isn’t good enough to speak to another grown man in their place of employment? That’s some Uncle Tom sh*t if I ever seen it, he may as well had told Smush he was too-dark skinned to talk to him.

  • Karl

    What does Lebron James have to do with this? We’re talking about Kobe here and how he can’t shut his mouth. If he kept quiet I’m sure many people wouldn’t have a problem with him.

  • Caboose

    Amen.

  • roscoe

    And kd cares more about carrying bron bron’s back pack. Orange slices & pizza parties for everyone!

  • JR

    Some of these comments are hilarious. Kobe’s a jerk for caring too much about winning. Dwight Howards a jerk for a perceived lack of care.

    When Michael Jordan was a dick people called it his “competitive edge”. Why all the hate on Kobe? I think at the very least we should respect that fact that he knows who he is as a person/leader and isn’t afraid to share that with us. That’s respectable in my opinion.

  • K_HOLIDAY

    Kobe needs to just shut up and play basketball. That is what you get paid to do. No one really cares about your definition of a leader. Just play ball homie..

  • roscoe

    thn why read slam? ur off base.

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange thinks it’s totally hilarious when people compare Horry Jr to MJ or say he’s one of the league’s greatest when he’s been carried his entire career. That’s why the Shock Exchange likes to poke fun at him. That said, Horry Jr’s public attacks on Kwame and Smush is beneath him. Horry Jr you’re playing yourself. It’s best to shut up before digging yourself into a deeper hole.

  • Max

    Why is it that you call him Horry Jr?

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    I respect Kobe’s accomplishments and work ethic. He’s a true student of the game with the type of talent that only comes once every decade or two. That being said, on numerous occassions Kobe has displayed a desire for individual accomplishments and glory, and at times, sacrificed a W in the process. Is he a winner? Yes…as long as it’s hero ball with him being the hero. Kobe’s acting like being an asshole comes with the territory of being a leader. The thing is, Smush and Kwame haven’t been on his team in years! He’s not trying to elevate their play or push the right buttons, he’s just being a dick.

  • nick the quick

    Kids these days…haha. Making up names, how cute.

  • bigA

    You are a hypocrit for saying that.
    You read the article. He has to talk to the media.
    Might as well not give boring generic answers.

  • Nelson

    MJ pushed the right buttons during practice. Kobe comments dont count because SMUSH and KWAME are no longer his teammates. He just makin excuses because his comments backfired on him

  • InThePaint

    Can’t deny Kobe is talented and a winner..with that said why show your ignorance by committing on players who aren’t thinking about you? Whatever happen to no comment or being professional. Never could stand his silly self but I respect his game. Kobe is clearly a lost, sad, lonely soul. Play your game Kobe and STFU!

  • pposse

    kobe needs to pull his skirt down. this must be what is like for an NBA player to go thru a midlife crisis, dude can easily just be a yellow ferrari but he wants to bitch like a female..take a midol and stfu already

  • K_HOLIDAY

    People that dont like bad news still read newspapers right? I can be a basketball fan, love coming to read articles on slam, and not enjoy certain things about certain articles. Kobe has been mouthing off a ton lately. My opinion is he should shut up and just get ready for the season.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    maybe because Kobe’s petty nature has actually cost him success? While Jordan’s didn’t? I mean, you do remember 2004 right?

  • shockexchange

    “That fiddy,” now that’s for real.

  • K_HOLIDAY

    Same response to you; people that dont like bad news still read newspapers right? I am a basketball fan, so I come to read slam and comment just like everyone else. When Dwight Howard was speaking out in the media, everybody on Slam told him to shut up and make a decision, play or leave, etc… No one ever asked those ppl commenting why they were coming to read slam. We’re all fans, and as a fan, I have my opinion on Kobe being so vocal. My opinion is save it for the season!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    So uhhh…..Now Kobe is talking about how he doesn’t like people who blame others for their lack of success, but wasn’t Kobe demanding a trade to Chicago a few years ago because other people around him weren’t good enough?

  • K_HOLIDAY

    EXACTLY! No one seems to remember that though. smh

  • justin05

    Lol true. Just another Kobe hater, Robery Horry hasn’t come close to the level of success Bryant has. People need to get over this shit cuz Kobe is still getting #6 this season and he could care less what any of these scrubs think about him.

  • JR

    Maybe, but I doubt that’s the reasoning most people have for their opinions.

  • nick

    Kobe is sad because he had two seasons without an all star roster…..get over it like the rest of the teams do…..he doesn’t even have a clue of what it feels like to have average players around him……he has always had incredible talent around him, he is entirely too arrogant

  • justin05

    A lot of fans just don’t care as much as you. Kobe is on his way out of the league so he’s going to have a lot more to say anyway, just wait. I’ve said before that I don’t agree w/ how he treated Parker but you can’t deny that it makes some sense why he did what he did. I guess you’ve never played basketball at a high level; There are a ton of douche bags out there trying to break your confidence but Kobe is just the best. At the end of the day he is where he is and we’re all here commenting on a website so get over it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s when that narrative started. so whether people actually site that as the reason is important, but it doesn’t mean that’s not what the real reason is. Pre-2004, nobody had anything negative to say about Kobe other than that he wanted to be the man, which for a professional athlete is something we should expect. Then he went out and chucked his way through the playoffs and the team imploded. Since then, Bryant’s reputation as a petulant teammate has been the back story.

  • justin05

    Just Kobe haters on here man. It doesn’t really matter what anyone thinks anyway because he knows who will be holding the trophy up at the end of the season. Talk is cheap, it’s all about execution.

  • justin05

    the cock exchange is one of the biggest scrubs on Slam. I know it’s hard for you non-ballers to put yourself in an NBA players shoes but there are many aspects to the career that fans take for granted. It’s not easy always saying the right thing to the media after you go work your ass off.

  • Ethos

    “I’d rather be perceived as a winner than a good teammate. I wish they both went hand in hand all the time but that’s just not reality.” Whatever happened to Magic, Bird or even the greatest winner of all, Bill Russell? WTF is this guy even talking about? “No excuses” but he’s excusing himself for his douchebaggery and idiocy.

  • the king

    this is called makin up reasons 4 bein an a-hole

  • roscoe

    lol. release the kb24 anger… lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    The circlejerk of Kobe bashing and ridiculing anything he says on this board is hilarious. It doesn’t even matter what the guy says anymore.

  • K_HOLIDAY

    Nah no KB24 anger lol… just feel like he’s a lot more vocal this offseason and the things he’s saying are just unnecessary. I guess now that he has a new superstar cast around him he’s ready to talk his sh*t again! smh

  • the king

    i can’t belive some of u think it’s ok 4 kobe 2 act like that in real life if someone talked 2 ya’ll like that u wood b ready 2 beeet that @@@@s and if u let it slide then u must b a 3itch

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    “Kobe, how about that game last night? Did you watch it?”……..”Don’t talk to me until you have some accolades.” Yep, sounds like a great motivational technique to me. 2004 allowed Kobe to stop hiding behind Sprite, Adidas, McDonald’s and everyone else who helped craft that “perfect” image. That entire season with the trial in Colorado along with the way he forced Jerry Buss to make a decision between he and Shaq. After it was all over, there were no sponsors, no endorsements. This is who he is. It’s not up to us to like it or dislike it. But to say that it’s his way of motivating guys is wild. As for him being known as a winner, if people want to take a good, close look at his career (people who aren’t fanatical Kobe or Laker fans like some of the people on here), they will not be able to put him with Jordan, Magic, and Bird. Or even Tim Duncan. You can’t just say that he’s won 5 rings as if that ends every discussion about him. Winning with the most dominant player in basketball in Shaq and then winning with the most skilled big man possibly in Gasol along with another talented big man in Bynum. Now he’s with one of the best PGs to ever pick up a basketball in Nash, the most dominant force again in Dwight and he still has Gasol who is still one of the most skilled big men in the league. Guys he’s played with the past few years can say what they will. From watching games, unless the Lakers play games that no one knows about, I don’t see a “winning” player on the court. I see a guy who is highly skilled offensively. Shoots the ball more than he does anything else. Barks for the ball when he wants it. Shoots with multiple players on him when he has capable teammates around him. The championships without Shaq have come because he made more shots than he missed. He’s made a solid number of clutch shots but not nearly as much as some would lead you to believe. And he was aided by Gasol and Odom (one of the top 6th men in the league at the time who actually won the award one season). He actually copied Jordan’s celebrations after the last two. In Orlando, he jumped into the air just like Jordan did after he hit the game winning shot of Craig Ehlo in Cleveland. After the Lakers won the first of their 3 peat, he jumped onto the scorer’s table like Jordan. He did it again after he won his last one against Boston. No one argues his greatness. But it would be wise to keep it in the proper perspective instead of just saying “He has 5 rings so he doesn’t have to be a good teammate.” When clear thinking people talk about him, the first name that will come to mind will be the guy he’s copied. Michael Jordan. If he wins another one, plenty of small-minded folks will say that he belongs in the same sentence with MJ because of the same number of championships. But they will be wrong. I actually think that Jordan motivated guys around him a lot better than Kobe has. He’s said a few times that he would have never done some of the things that Kobe’s done.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    If I’m Smush Parker, I don’t care how bad of a player I am, I’m a grown man as well and there’s no way Kobe could talk to me any kind of way just because he’s the best player on the team or in the league.

  • Paul

    I only read the first handful of comments but no one mentioned that this headline is completely misleading.

  • R32

    You can win, still be a great leader and not be a d-bag

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Kobe’s the best what? At not knowing how to talk to people? Yes, that’s something to really be proud of. A little objectivity would do you some good. Regardless of how bad Parker was or what his work ethic was like, there’s no justification for Kobe being that way. Plenty of great players have played with guys who were nowhere near them in talent, skill or work ethic. And if they did what Kobe’s done, we’d be talking about them too. But this story is about Kobe. So we’re talking about him. It’s not about being a “hater”. A majority of people should understand that this is crazy from Kobe. Not one superstar from Kobe’s era has acted this way. If they had, with the way information gets leaked, we would have heard about it. Kevin Garnett played in Minnesota on some bad teams (more than Kobe’s just 2 bad teams) and you didn’t hear a word about him being a bad teammate. It’s cool for Kobe though because he has 5 rings? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. More than anything else, what Kobe has benefited from the most out of all of his peers is he’s been fortunate to have the teammates he’s had. You do know that by saying that he is where he is and we’re all just here on a website as if because he’s an NBA player he’s somehow more important and better than us, you’re also belittling yourself, right? Because you’re right here with us.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Who thinks Dwight is a jerk for not caring about winning? If anyone thinks Dwight is a jerk, the only thing that could be said to back that up is how he mishandled the Orlando situation (which wasn’t all of his fault). Other than that, watching him play, it was obvious that he cared. He cared enough to get to the Finals. He cared enough to play hurt this past season until he couldn’t take it anymore physically. He’s a playful guy. He’ll probably have to scale that back a little bit now, but he’s cared about winning for quite a while.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks…yet you feel the need to comment and say what you think. As for the end of the season, we’ll see about that. Miami isn’t going anywhere. They’re better. OKC isn’t going anywhere, the Western Conference is theirs until someone beats them in a series in the postseason. LA’s done nothing yet but assemble a great team. The games will be played. We’ll see who’s around in June.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Really dude? Still on KD’s back about practicing with LeBron lol. Let it go bro.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    He should talk to KG about some of those T’Wolves teams he played on. Or LeBron about those Cavs teams he carried.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Same dude who was on the radio saying he wanted to be traded and then changed his mind the same day.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Uh…you’re not a “baller” either. You’re not in the NBA. You never have been. You’re just like the rest of us. Just a fan.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    My biggest question is why does he feel the need to talk about guys he hasn’t played with for 5 years? Smush and Kwame are enjoying themselves, doing what they want to do. All of a sudden, out of nowhere, Kobe decides to bring them up.

  • JR

    I guess what I’m trying to get across is this: Kobe is telling us he cares about winning titles (which he has done) and not about what his teammates think of him. He’s just being honest about that fact (which is an admirable quality); that’s who he is. He’s one of the greatest to ever play basketball, that doesn’t mean he’s perfect. He’s just sharing his strategy, and no one can say it hasn’t worked because it unquestionably has. Sure, maybe a different approach would yield better results, but you can say that about everyone. Yet people come in here and comment how big of a dick he is, when it really isn’t a big deall; most uber successful people are dicks: Kobe, Michael, Oprah, Rossie O’donel, the list goes on. At least Kobe’s embraced it.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Leaving as a free agent isn’t jumping ship. Nothing wrong about it. Never begged for a trade. Never said he wanted to be traded.

  • JR

    But people don’t use proper facts to back up their thinking. They see Dwight smiling during the game or Lebron dancing before it and say “these guys lack the competitive edge of Kobe, MJ, Bird and Magic…they don’t care about winning”. That narrative is often brought up in the media, and even more so in forums and comment threads.

  • justin05

    Not belittling, just saying that he is successful because of how hard he has worked and treating teammates bad doesn’t define him as a person or basketball player. I’m just tired of this bad drama. Idc if Kobe befriended Smush or not, the only thing I care about is if Kobe can still play at an all-star level and if our new players will mesh well this season. Hater is a strong word but it’s obvious that some people just want to talk smack because they don’t like Kobe. I respect your opinions tho bamnecessary, you’re not as dumb nas most ppl on here, I just can’t fathom the idea that he is a horrible person based off of how he treated a few teammates.

  • http://www.facebook.com/JeremydeSa Jeremy de Sa

    Classic. New Boyz are basically Tupac and Biggie put together.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    It’s not about befriending him. It’s about treating a man with respect. Very simple. Very easy. If you’re tired of the bad drama, tell Kobe to stop bringing up teammates he played with 5 years ago. Guys that no one would be talking about if he hadn’t decided to talk about them himself. I don’t think he’s a horrible person. He’s just not the best when it comes to talking to teammates.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    I don’t think that his championships alone can be used as proof that what he’s done as a leader has worked. More than anything, Gasol would be as good as he is regardless of how good or bad Kobe’s leadership is. So it’s not his strategy that has worked, it’s the fact that Lamar Odom was highly skilled as well as Gasol and Bynum (when he wasn’t hurt). I heard numerous times that Derek Fisher was actually the real leader of those post-Shaq championship teams.

  • justin05

    I care what intelligent ppl who can play the game think because I’ve always had a passion for this sport. It was my dream to play NBA ball so I respect players like Kobe because he has accomplished something that I could not. Kobe doesn’t care what any of us think, he just wants to win.

  • Conor

    Really? So Jordan calling the same Kwame Brown a “faggot” was a product of his pushing the right buttons, eh?

  • justin05

    If anyone treated me that way I would immediately end my relationship with them. You don’t need ppl like that in your life but it doesn’t give you an excuse to lay your hands on them.. There are douchebags all over the world

  • K_HOLIDAY

    Exactly! What were his intentions there?

  • Kap

    @nbk Kobe’s ways have not cost him any success. 2004 was not his fault. Detroit was just better and LA had that horrible bench and couldn’t defend billups in the pick n roll (shaq). You are way too harsh on a guy who has been as successful as any player in the history of the league. I bet 98% of the guys who ever played in the L wish they had the career and accomplishments Kobe has and continuing to get.

  • Conor

    Jordan savants are able to recall his assessment of the same Kwame Brown as being a “faggot” when they played together on the Wizards, do they not?

    Kobe speaks candidly about Parker’s lack of professionalism, and that is – by some testament to Jordan – supposedly a greater condemnation of his team play than punching Parker would have been? Neither event was just, unless you appreciate their respective honesties.

    (As for administration, please appreciate the context of this statement. This is not an attack against anybody. Simply an observation/counter-point with a sensitive quote to support it)

  • Conor

    *can they not?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    your list of successful people who are dicks fell apart pretty quick. Oprah’s a dick? Rosie O’Donnel is so successful that she fits in this category? Is she a dick because she wears a fake one? — I mean i get the idea that you can be a dick and still be successful, that’s obviously true. But I could very easily, with the talent around him, say Kobe Bryant under achieved given his individual abilities. The narrative remains, Kobe is one of the best individual basketball players of all time, while being one of the worst leaders ever to still experience success.

  • Conor

    You’re exactly right. Jordan once called the same Kwame Brown a “faggot” when they played for the Wizards. Modern Leadership 101 in some minds.

    Bryant’s adopted moves from Jordan, Dr. J, Magic, Bird, Olajuwon, KAJ, Baylor, West, and countless others. Don’t diminish the work ethic, man.

  • Conor

    By the way, for any potential misinterpretation of this comparison, each paragraph signifies a new idea. I meant that both Bryant’s recent comments and Jordan’s punching Steve Kerr may have been done in the poorest of tastes, but they were honest solutions to problems that had been presented to the two players.

  • Atlanta Zone 6

    Every kobe post you on here leaving novels on how much you dislike him……

    You coming across as obsessed to me brah.

  • shockexchange

    justin05 For your information, in June the Shock Exchange was voted “best necomer” on SLAM. You’re not even qualified to address the Shock Exchange. You need more accolades.

  • phil

    He’s awkward socially. Grew up around whites and has a self hate for blacks. Throw in an ego of a napoleon and you got one messed up individual! Do you notice in all the video or pictures outside of basketball he’s alone, you never see a group of friends with him. Even back in the day with shaq, I seen plenty of vids on the guys messing around and never was kobe with them. Talk about royce whites mental illness, what about kobes.

  • Atlanta Zone 6

    @byanymeansnecessary Care more about Kobe than an hater i have ever seen…..and before your bitch ass reply with “I’m not a hater” How come the only time i see you is on a post about Kobe?

    You a spurs fan go blog for that boring ass franchise

  • shockexchange

    justin05 For your information, in June the Shock Exchange was voted “top newcomer” on SLAM. You’re not even qualified to address the Shock Exchange. You need more accolades.

  • Datkid

    People act like you have to be a dick to your teammates to be a champion. that’s not true or fair. Was Magic Johnson a dick? was Larry Bird? Was Wilt? Bill Russell is the greatest winner of all time and yet he was never an asshole to his teammates. MJ was a terrible person to his teammates but he also eventually managed to form life long bonds with them, and he never went as far as Kobe did. Nash get’s far more out of his teammates by being nice to them, then Kobe does by continually being a terrible person them. Kobe has actually underachieved substantially with the talent around him. if he passes the ball more they beat detroit in 04 and if he keeps shaq around instead of driving him out, they probably could’ve 5-peated. The Celtics and the Mavericks both flat out got him when they won, but we JUST watched him shoot himself out of a series against OKC and then blame his teammates. (Although to be fair Andrew Bynum absolutely should’ve done more). It would’ve been tough but a properly led LA team could’ve beaten OKC. Kobe Bryant isn’t a good or effective leader. but we already knew that.

  • hoodsnake

    I’m reading the comments and I cannot stop thinking about the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode (think it was called Seinfeld), ‘…that being said..’

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    In regular life, Smush would have punched Kobe if the mouth. That’s my issue. Kobe is the undisputed king of L.A. Why is he acting like a jerk to a peon? He knows that if he was “Kobe” he couldn’t get away with treating another man like that, not after Chris Childs and Doug Christie both rocked his jaw. But Smush wasn’t going to beef with Kobe while in Lakers gold. He understood who had the juice, and because Kobe knew that, he acted like a bully.
    It’s not cool to abuse power. As someone who has done that on a much smaller scale, it’s something to be ashamed of, not proud of.

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    You don’t get brownie points for admitting to being an a-hole. You’re still an a-hole, you’re just not a lying a-hole.

  • shockexchange

    justin05 You need more accolades before you can address the Shock Exchange.

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    No they weren’t. They were the actions of bullies. The difference in stature between the Jordan and Kobe and the players they attacked makes their attacks cowardly.
    Jordan didn’t say jack to Jerry Stackhouse, who openly refused to give him the ball and called him washed up. Instead he attacked Kwame.
    Kobe actively avoided bashing Shaq,and still does, but wants to randomly discuss Smush Parker? Really son?

  • LakeShow

    Love it.

  • LakeShow

    Magic:no
    Bird:yes
    Wilt:yes
    Russell:debateable

  • LakeShow

    lol… It’s funny to watch isn’t it?
    It’s like this: New Kobe post appears, and 3,2,1….

  • Conor

    There is no difference in “stature”. They are equal as men.

    As for the instigation of this supposed bullying: Parker began bashing Bryant five years ago. These media-induced barbs between the two find common origin in Parker’s actions.

    Bryant challenged Shaq to fight him several times when they played together. And called him “fat” and “lazy” multiple times, so he avoided nothing.

    I don’t care much for the Jordan-Wizards scenario, but you can be sure that Jerry Stackhouse wasn’t on the cusp of his mind when he made those belittling remarks regarding Kwame Brown.

  • LakeShow

    Not even close to a correlation between the two.

  • Conor

    More people forget that Bryant averaged similar (sometimes less, other times more) stats & impacted the game just as much as Shaq preceding the Finals every season between 2000-2004 (2003=Playoffs-only). Series which were dubbed “the true Finals” because any team from the West would have swept or demolished the East’s representative.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Another person with no good sense who has no idea what a “hater” is. You don’t see me on other posts because you don’t check them. Either that or you just can’t see or read very well. Go check them. You’ll see me there. Where the Spurs fan thing came from I have no idea but this isn’t a Lakers website.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Kobe knows who to go after and who not to go after. He’s smart.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Kobe’s as successful as any player in the history of the league??? When were you born, in ’96?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You come off as not having any kind of common sense brah. I never said I disliked him. Basic reading skills. Get them.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    What’s funny is Lakers/Kobe fanatics who are incapable of reading anything that’s not complimentary of them without having some kind of fit.

  • InThePaint

    How he treats his teammates doesn’t define him as a person? I’m not going to insult you by asking what grade did you finish. I would however suggest you look up the word CHARACTER!! How can we ask the youth to show respect for people around them, but give this grown man of two children a pass for his ignorance? Play an individual sport if treating your teammates/co workers with respect is too far fetch of a concept. Kobe time and time again keeps showing his azz..Professionalism and respect should be exercised at all times ..what goes around comes around..You want respect one must give respect!! I think he is going through a midlife crisis this attention whore is coming to grips with the reality that his time is soon coming to an END!! Fame is a drug and Kobe needs rehab.

  • Conor

    You’re saying that Parker, as a man, accepted the way that he states Bryant treated him while a member of the Lakers…

    The same Parker who has been out of the League since 2007 (upon his banishment by the Miami Heat franchise for conduct similar to what Bryant described Parker as having showcased throughout his tenure as a Laker)? The same Parker who has been reduced to having his name networked exclusively through stories regarding his former tormentor’s methods. Methods which have not been confirmed as having been replicated with any other teammate, young or old?

    If someone like Sasha Vujacic or Chris Mihm was to confirm Parker’s tales of misconduct as valid, I will apologize for my scepticism. Yet they – and many others from that Lakers era – had no credentials to speak of either as champions or winners and have failed to venture forth with stories of mistreatment and bullying from the likes of Bryant.

    Bryant may not have respected Parker, but for the latter to say that Kobe dismissed Parker outright or that he was a loner who refused to eat dinner with the team at team dinners aren’t the most believable of anecdotes.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    For those comparing Kobe to Jordan in how they treated teammates, even if you wanted to justify Kobe’s actions by saying that Jordan was the same or worse, you couldn’t make that argument successfully. Mostly because Jordan was a much better player than Kobe. I’d have less to say if Jordan had acted this way towards a Smush Parker type player mostly because there was nothing fake about him. Nothing unoriginal. He was a hyper competitive dude and it got out of hand sometimes. Everything that surrounded him from endorsements to the Jordan Brand, he earned it all. Kobe’s entire aura was about him being the next MJ. He’s too full of himself for really no good reason. He’s basically Jordan Jr. Nothing really original about him. Which is why I think this is so funny. Have people not been paying attention for the last 16 years? Kobe’s accomplishments won’t match Jordan’s. He has tried since the day he announced that he was going into the NBA to be like Jordan. He’s failed. Michael’s motivation was natural. Kobe’s motivation was to be like Michael. Big difference there. He had the talent and developed the work ethic. Michael’s coach, Phil Jackson, helped him as much as he could before he had enough and left. Then he came back and apparently Kobe had grown up and gotten less stubborn and more coachable. But anytime a person tries to be exactly like someone else, they never make it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes there is. especially when he wouldn’t accept the trade if Luol Deng was involved. It’s a built in excuse “i can’t win without Luol Deng so i’m not going” — the fact of the matter is, Kobe blamed not being successful in 2005 on others not being good enough around him. He fits right into, QUOTE, “people who blame others for their lack of success”

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    One of the best individual players of all time who experienced success. Very well put.

  • Conor

    Revenue is generated for the site between the interest stoked by the title & the people who are willing to comment on it. The more dramatic, the better.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Which is different than being a great player who’s also a leader and experiences success because of all of those things he possesses. Kobe won despite his lack of good leadership skills.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Of course, you see a problem here because all you know is the Lakers are great and Kobe is great.

  • Kadavour

    Last year or maybe year-before-last I met Michael Jordan at a golf event in Florida. It was this glitzy tech event and someone sprang big bucks to get Mike to come play a couple rounds with us. I was one of maybe 3 not-white guys there and judging from how everyone else spoke, i was the only hoop head. Anyways, it must have taken me about 3 hours to develop the mettle to approach the guy. And i’m far from star struck, but this was Money! Anyways, i make my way over to him, say what up, ask for a pic, and he looked at me and said, “How much you got?” I was a little confused and tried to laugh it off, but he was seriously asking me how much i would pay him for a measly photo. I joked that I don’t have my bank book with me, and he promptly turned to the other dude that was trying to get his attention. This is the only insight I have into MJ on a personal basis. Everything else i know about him was crafted by some media or marketing machine back in the 90s, and it just doesn’t resonate well with what i witnessed first hand. I’ve been observing all the talk about Kobe the last 2 weeks and i can’t shake the notion that if today’s 24/7 virtual access and media machine existed back in the 90s, we’d have a different view of Mike. I mean, can you imagine some rapper singing about the 150Ms (Vanessa was supposed to get $75M contrary to Drake’s telling) Juanita got ?

  • RowdyTexan

    If Shaq was a good teammate he wouldve kicked your ass 10 years ago

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Michael Jordan is a complete and utter asshole. He stopped signing “free” autographs while he was still playing, instead opting to eat lunch or something random with a random fan every once in a while (same thing Ken Griffey Jr started doing) – my admiration for Michael Jordan comes purely as a basketball player. Same with Kobe. Both guys, from everything I’ve heard, are complete dick heads away from the court. Jordan moreso than Kobe, and just about everyone in league history.

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    Kobe regularly refused to discuss Shaq when Shaq first left the team, and when he did discuss him he spoke kindly. Smush only addressed Kobe after Kobe was going around belittling everyone he played with those two years as if those “scrubs” didn’t have the Lakers up 3-1 against the Suns before Kobe went into chuck mode and then quit.
    Like several people have said, why is Kobe concerned with Smush and Kwame. Does he think that if belittles them enough then everyone will stop noting how much the Lakers sucked those two years? Sorry that’s not happening. At least not as long as we have concrete examples of players playing with similar talent and having more success.

  • Kadavour

    @twitter-468547200:disqus you think it’s a matter of Kobe pursuing this discourse, or media personnel asking these questions? What does the journalist in you say?

  • pposse

    everyone already knows that MJ is all about his money, the only thing i ever did and would do if i seen MJ like the one time in the club is try and shake his hand. He did that for free. You should watch the video on youtube with Chamillionairs take on the great one hahah

  • roscoe

    just beating the drum the media nor kb24 haters like u won’t.

  • roscoe

    Here is a fair question: what’s your objective @ the end of the day w/ ur kb24 criticism? i think ur passion is recognized as “hate” by some.

    4 me w/ kd its 2 see him succeed, & as u knw imo, he’s doing sme things we’ve discussed dat ain’t helping d’cause.

  • Datkid

    they weren’t anywhere near as cruel as Kobe and to an extent MJ are to theirs is the point i was making.

  • MikeC.

    I’m not trying to defend Kobe the player because I hate the Lakers and I think Kobe is a chucker and gets a free pass too often for his declining D.kobe, the every day dude is likely just as messed up as the child celebrities.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    hey don’t get me wrong. I’m a kobe supporter all the way…. but he was still learning back then and shaq was unstoppable

  • bike

    Sorry man. That kind of thing can scar somebody for life. Just another example of how we worship their feats on the court or on the field and we always assume they are of great character away from the sport.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    My objective is to tell the truth about every article I comment on. The criticism is warranted. A man respects another man. Kobe didn’t respect Smush. Regardless of how bad of a player he was or how he carried himself. If you call yourself a leader, you set the standard and get others to buy into that example if it’s worth following. You bring others along with you. Kobe didn’t do that. I see a problem there. Simple. Durant working out with LeBron hasn’t kept him from doing anything, that’s why there is no good reason for you or anyone else to have an issue with it. How has it hurt his cause? How did it hurt last season after he worked out with him for more than just one day (which is how much he worked with him this summer)? He won a 3rd scoring title in a row and got to the Finals. They got beat by a better team. LeBron played out of his mind. James Harden didn’t show up. No shame there. There are no mind games. LeBron isn’t in his head. He’s just the best player in the world. Durant is 2nd. You can’t psyche out the 2nd best player in the world. Explain how working out with LeBron is hurting him if you can.

  • roscoe

    truth. it takes a stronger person to walk away.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Again, you don’t know the meaning of the word “hater”. Just like a few others here.

  • LakeShow

    While this is true,…
    Actually that is all I have to say.

  • LakeShow

    When Smush Parker is your 3rd leading scorer on a playoff team you blame management and no one else.
    Kobe created success for himself by threatening that trade.
    Sounds like the truest of winners to me.

  • LakeShow

    Smart move huh?
    Winning move, that’s for sure.
    Made the Lakers brass re-think their thoughts didn’t it?

  • LakeShow

    I knew you were a power abuser at least at one point. I could always tell.
    Glad you changed your evil ways though man.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    No, made Kobe sound worse than Dwight did this past season. He would be in a Clippers or Bulls uniform if Gasol hadn’t have been gifted to them.

  • z

    This is a genuinely interesting perspective on why kob’s had so much difficulty connecting with others throughout his life. That being said im gonna hafta disagree with the assertion of black self hate. As for the rest of this thread i gotta say its disappointing to see the way so many of yall conveniently ignore facts that dont dovetail with your own perceptions of the situation. To be sure this lack of intellectual integrity is very prevelant in US society nowadays but its just doubly disappointing to see it so clearly affect so many cats in whom i can sense potential for genuine intelligence. As for kobe i long ago recognized him for what he is: an untimely man, born into the wrong era of human history, and thus wont be appreciated in his own time. Get over it, laker fans lol the hate and envy is just too strong

  • MikeC.

    It’s impossible to compare the eras. Russell might have been an a-hole, but the only thing covered in the papers was box scores. Winning is the great freshener. It covers up a lot of stank.

  • nhm

    i just wish that smush and kobe meet face to face sometime soon… man it up instead of word war.. not neccessarily violent actions, but a little sparring would fine. lol.

  • MikeC.

    MikeC. is now a fan of the shockexchange and everyone that refers to themselves in 3rd person screen name.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL the reasoning he threatened the trade was in response to not succeeding, it wasn’t a pre-preemptive strike for success – I mean, unless you are you, and HAVE to find a way for Kobe to not look like a hypocrite.
    .
    Let’s just say it how it is though, Kobe is trying to make himself look as good as possible. So he is trying to deflect attention from him speaking out on a guy who hasn’t been his teammate in what, 6 years? I mean, see this for what it is. Kobe is a dick, who just realized how much of a dick he looks like, so he’s trying to dress up like a vagina.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Kobe got lucky with Gasol being traded to LA. He created nothing for himself. The Lakers pulled of a heist move. Again, you show yourself to be nothing more than a Lakers lover. No ability to understand or reason at all.

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    I’m talking about as a teammate. If you’re one of the best players on a team it’s real easy to be shady to sorry cats because no one is going to check your behavior. I did that at one point. That’s the only time I had any semblance of power to abuse. Well, that’s not true. I’ve bullied the weak at times as well. It’s a sucker move.

  • roscoe

    ur objective is to speak the truth, okay, cool. although u put a lot of bait out there 4 me to chomp on I will pass bc u knw what my answr is re: kd.
    don’t worrying though, i will continue 2 throw my jabs until i c kd change or kd proves me wrong.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    While I don’t think that Royce White’s illness or self hate for Blacks belongs here, I do think Kobe’s background may have a lot to do with how he treats other players who were born and raised here and grew up in a different way than he did. Outside of the game of basketball, there probably isn’t a lot of commonalities there. As a rookie he didn’t really hang out with his teammates not only because of how young he was, but I’m sure their different upbringings played a factor as well. Most of these guys were either in poverty or not far from it before they got to the league. Kobe was the son of a professional basketball player. Most people are products of their environment. Kobe’s environment doesn’t have much in common with the environment of most of the other players he plays with and against.

  • bike

    One time I remember I see Kobe at airport. I approached him for autograph to sign. He looked at me the same I look at camel shit I think.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You have no response to what I said about KD. What this boils down to is some idea you have that KD should stop working with LeBron. You can’t give me one good reason why he should. Except that you would like him to stop. You can’t give me one example of how this has been bad for him. That’s why you won’t take the bait. Because you don’t have a good response that will challenge what I said. There’s no need for KD to change. So you’ll continue to complain about it. He doesn’t have to prove you wrong because you have no ground to stand on with your complaint. What’s keeping him from winning a championship and from being the best player right now is LeBron James. It’s not the fact that he practices with him. It’s the fact that LeBron James exists. Whether they practiced together or not, LeBron would be LeBron and KD would have to get through him.

  • LakeShow

    How would Kobe asking for a trade in less than a month long ordeal be worse than Dwight’s belly aching the last 2 years. lol. Your so biased it’s ridiculous.

  • LakeShow

    Not following what your saying.
    I disagree i’m sure though.

    Minus the part about Kobe being a dick. He’s an ass clown.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah your right, that makes allot of sense. Kobe asks to be traded, because they are not providing him with enough talent to win the championships he desires, so he asks for a trade. They go and get him Gasol and he is happy and stays…..
    Oh wait..
    Nope your wrong.
    So yeah, Kobe was responsible for that.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah I have met him at the air port also and a couple other times at Staples. (met, meaning said ‘whats up’) He is rude. He’s not a conversational individual. Still my favorite ball player haha.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Actually, that’s exactly what happened.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Kobe didn’t need 2 years. He just needed one day to want to be traded, and then decide not to leaving everyone confused. Dwight never really stopped wanting to be traded. Find the facts. He only opted in because he wanted to make people around him happy.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You calling someone biased is like Kobe telling JR Smith he shoots too much.

  • roscoe

    okay chief… keep drinking the cool – aid. carrying bron bron’s back pack, bringing orange slices, & paying for pizza parties, while making sure to hug the world is great for children but not competitors in my humble @ss opinion. Take the “I love KD” t shirt off. KD needs to look within to get the gold ball and its funny how hard you front for him that maybe your on the payroll or wish to be.
    what’s even more funny is how u pitball kb24, lol, but support a finals failure, kd, bc he was given or earned some progated awards. if you ask bball fans who won the last 10 scoring or mvp awards 99% would not be able to answer, but if you asked who won the last 10 titles 99% would.
    Rings count & the other awards are future garage sell items.
    The mental side of the game is just as important as everything else, if not more.
    What flavor cool-aid are drinking today?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Kobe openly called Shaq fat and out of shape. He made it a point to name Shaq when he won the ring in 2010. He avoided mentioning Shaq in his early years after the Shaq trade because his reputation was at an all time low and it would have made it worse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Again, you’re ignoring the context. Kobe was coming off a rape trial, a Finals loss that was being blamed on him, and he was the most hated man in all sports in 2004. He was trying to regain endorsements and fan support…its why he didn’t start saying anything controversial until about the time he won his first ring post Shaq.

  • z

    In all honesty for you to say that kobe’s not as successful as anybody in league history…i mean wow just wow. I cant value your opinion much after ridiculousness like that (even if you are an admirer of malcolm.x)theres a small handful of players who kob doesnt deserve comparisns to (mj bill russ wilt, after that its a fair debate with anyone who’s played). Impartiality is a virtue in these debates, remember that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Why? Do you think those guys were happy sitting around losing? Lebron openly admitted jumping to Miami because he didn’t think the Cavs roster that was assembled could beat the Celtics. All-time great players should not be stuck with inept players surrounding them. I mean seriously, Luke Walton played heavy minutes for the Lakers at Bryant’s physical peak as a player. Have you seen that 05-07 Lakers roster? Half the players are not even in the league anymore, and if they are, they are bench guys.

    The second best player on those teams was Lamar Odom. Read that again.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    LeBron never asked to be traded playing on a team whose second best player was Larry Hughes. With that team, he got to the Finals after getting past a top notch Pistons team that was still in their prime. Kobe’s second best player on those bad teams was Lamar Odom who was a much better player than Hughes. KG’s closest teammate in talent in Minnesota after Marbury got traded was Latrell Sprewell and an old Sam Cassell…he waited 6 seasons before he had teammates that were capable of helping him go deep into the playoffs. He lost 7 times in the first round and the 2 seasons before he got traded to Boston, he wasn’t in the playoffs. Never said one word about wanting to be traded. He took all of the pressure on himself. Even got to the point where he cried in an interview with John Thompson on TNT. Kobe has 2 bad seasons and wants out. You act like Lamar was a scrub lol. He averaged 15 and 10 his first season in LA. 15 and 9 the second season. Pretty respectable numbers.

  • TBRK

    dog, Kobe just dropped about 30 different gems in that….was that written or all off the cuff?? dude is brilliant man, flat out

  • LakeShow

    You were confused? Dude you make me laugh so hard.
    You were confused when Kobe said he wanted to be traded? LMAO man… I wasn’t confused, I knew exactly what was going on. Thought everyone else did too.
    2ndly, “You calling someone biased is like Kobe telling JR Smith he shoots too much” That sentence explain YOU so well. Too well… You think Kobe is a glorified JR Smith. You think that he is Horry JR… You are the equivalent of the Shock Exchange in unabashed Kobe hatred. Congrats dude.

  • brandan evans

    this is why i love Kobe, cause this man wanna win no matter what!
    if u dont put in the work then he dont need you!
    u dont think Jordan did the same thing? Teammates was scared of Jordan because he will get on them if they dont play well. They wasnt scared of Phil they was scared of Jordan.
    and Kobe is the same way!
    i love it!! and to all u people saying Kobe is this and Kobe is that, one thing u cant say is that he is a loser. he is a winner.

  • Mike Jones

    Kobe is nothing but a glorified role player, there is a reason he has only won one MVP even though he is held in such high regard as a top 5 player ever.

    First three titles kobe give the ball to shaq and know your role. Then once shaq left the lakers, wade won with shag, belittling kobes achievements.

    I could go on and on about Kobe and how he is undeserved of his accolades. But dont get me wrong he can play the game of basketball.

    But he can also rape girl and be a shit team mate, and he is held up as the poster boy of the 2000′s.

    But hey it doesnt matter he is a winner

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    A person goes to extremes when they are incapable of basic rational thinking. Your love of everything Lakers related leaves you unable to think rationally. Which is why you compare me to Shock Exchange. If you were capable of basic reading comprehension, you would have understood the analogy I made. You are as biased as anyone on this site about your precious Lakers. Kobe shoots a lot. JR Smith shoots a lot. Did I compare them? No. I simply said that one person who is widely known for shooting a lot telling another is the same as you, the most biased dude here, telling me I’m biased. You never even pointed out what my bias is. Which is hard to do because I’ve shown no bias. I’ve said nothing about disliking your guy Kobe Bryant.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Also, the confusion with most fans was not him saying he wanted to be traded. It was him saying he didn’t want to be just hours later. You knew exactly what was going on, what exactly was that? Please let us all know. Those of us who aren’t inside Kobe’s mind as you appear to be. Since you knew what was going on in his head. What we all knew was that he was seen on tape saying he wanted Bynum gone and Jason Kidd there. He quieted down after Gasol arrived like a child crying for something and stopping immediately after getting it. That let those of us who are actually capable of being objective know that he wasn’t fit to try to carry a team the way a leader should for too long. Face the facts dude. This is a man who refused to shoot the ball to prove a point in the middle of a regular season game. Same man who refused to shoot again in a playoff game that resulted in his team giving up a 3-1 series lead and later on he said he was just trying to run the offense on TNT when Barkley asked him about it. What can you say to refute what I’ve said? Nothing at all.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    If your objective was to sound as ridiculous as possible, you succeeded.

  • LakeShow

    Okay good.
    You agree with me. Kobe makes power moves.

  • LakeShow

    Exactly.
    To you, JR Smith and Kobe are just two guys who shoot allot. So sad to see what seems to be an intelligent person (you) just wallow in the ‘Kobe sucks cause he had sex with a girl in Colorado and shot 43% from the field last year’ crowd with Shock Exchange and other losers. But just as I love Kobe and the Lakers irrationally you to are allowed to hate equally or more-so in same way as such in this case.

  • z

    You are actually calling somebody else incapable of reasoning or understanding? Buddy, when the topic turns to kobe you become nearly as implacably critical as the shock exchange. Take your own advice, genius.

  • z

    You need to just stop bud. Youre making yourself look stupider and stupider with each post. Which makes it look like only morons admire malcolm x, and that definitely isnt the case. Stop commenting on this thread kiddo. Do yourself (and your credibility) a favor.

  • pposse

    ill give you a reason…KD shouldn’t work out with Lebron bc Lebron does not have a go to move while KD has plenty of go to moves. Lebron is smart enough to see where KD is in his training and if any of his moves get exposed to Lebron in the summer Lebron will be smart enough to remember, and find a way to counter or figure out a defensive posture to make it hard for KD to execute during the season and most likely the finals when they meet. Most of what Lebron does on the court is unreal and not possible for anyone to imitate. There is nothing that KD can take from Lebrons game imo while there are plenty of offensive lessons that LBJ can learn.

  • z

    Or maybe its that hes gotten older and feels more &more entitled to speak his mind

  • z

    My question is where were all your criticisms and all this vitriol when mj gave that petty hof speech, calling out krause, reinsdorff and other people who had never said anything bad about him? You clearly are operating on a double standard, sport.

  • z

    At least shock exchange is hilarious. Way more than i can say for by any means necessary. Do you even know what that phrase means, slugger?

  • z

    Precisely
    allen im disappointed in you for pretending to not understand this. I know you realize what he just pointed out, but you chose to take the subjective route and pretend to not realize why kob never bashed shaq when shaq was bashing him immediately after the break up. Shame on you Allen youre one of the most sensible commentors on here.

  • AndyK

    Kobe’s the man…unfortunately has to play with a loser like Howard now

  • pposse

    he quit while posting up a trip dub? oookay…no quitting is when u shoot the ball twice in the second half of game 7 against the phoenix suns like Kobe did, squandering a 3-1 series lead.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Explain the double standard you think I have. Jordan called out everything that he used to motivate himself. Kobe is talking about people who most of us don’t pay any attention to and haven’t thought about in years.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    KD averaged 30 plus points on 53% shooting in the Finals with Battier and LeBron guarding him. They trained together for a week last summer. So if he couldn’t learn enough to contain him defensively in a week, my guess is he didn’t learn much more in one day this summer. That makes absolutely no sense. They played together for a while in the summer of 07 before the World Championship games even though Durant didn’t make that team. They’ve played each other many times during the regular season. I’m sure LeBron has watched plenty of tape of him before those regular season games. Add all of that up and KD still gets his when he plays against LeBron. All of a sudden, you think something is going to click after this summer and LeBron will now be able to stop him? Explain yourself. KD doesn’t have to work with him so that he can take from him and LeBron isn’t trying to take from KD. They’re friends. They train together because they most likely realize that they’re the two best players and it’s fun to compete with and against each other. It’s not a big deal. You have no reason to take issue with it.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Little boy, exactly what do you have to say that has any substance to it? Because so far, you’ve said absolutely nothing. Anything pertinent to add to the discussion or are you just here to offer your measly little opinion? Do you have anything to say to refute anything I’ve said? What is your purpose here? Anything?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Exactly what did Kwame Brown say about Kobe for Kobe to now say that basically Kwame doesn’t deserve the money he’s going to make? Why is a man commenting about what another man is making? Especially a man who’s probably the highest paid player in the league right now. What’s it to him?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=509819249 Gaurav P.

    Lebron in 07 was in a completely different period in his career then Kobe was in 07. Essentially, it would have been like last year’s version of Lebron playing with the team that featured Larry Hughes as the second best player. Kobe dragged that sorry team to 45 (!) wins in a loaded Western Conference, which is almost as impressive as Lebron dragging that sorry Cavs team to the Finals. Context matters in this case. Kobe was at his physical peak as a player, he wanted out because Kupchak had no direction…the Lakers weren’t swinging any trades, weren’t making any moves in free agency, etc. There was no direction – Bryant felt as if the Lakers were just using his prime to sell tickets and wait it out, which he wanted no part of.

    I’m not saying Lamar was a scrub; I’m saying that if he’s your second best player, you’re not going to get very far. And below him there was a huge drop in talent. I think either KWame or Smush were the third best players.

  • Yi-Cheng Chen

    Wow. Even Kobe needs to explain himself through FB. He seems like a good guy after all.

  • Yi-Cheng Chen

    Wow. Even Kobe needs to explain himself through FB. He seems like a good guy after all.

  • Yi-Cheng Chen

    so the conclusion is: winners can rape girls. am i right?

  • z

    Kinda sad…it’s been 5 years and this kid byanymeansnecessary still cant figure out what was going on the day kob requested a trade then retracted that request several hours later…which points to byanymeansnecessary being a moron, however he DOES demonstrate intelligence on non-kobe threads, which leads one to conclude that he nurtures a bit of an anti-kobe bias. Yet unlike shock exchange this kid takes himself so seriously that he tries to pretend that you’re just a kobe sycophant when i can personally recall plenty of times youve taken a fair and honest look at kobe and his game. You want a lakers sycophant talk to the seed. Byanymeansnecessary is a child

  • z

    I have nothing to say to refute your opinions.lakeshow (among others) already refuted your opinions, moron, that’s my whole point. Youre too dense to even see that tho!

  • z

    In the USA, hell yeah they can. Whats that say about us?

  • Datkid

    that’s true. but the point is you can empower your teammates without being a jackass to them.

  • Salty

    Kobe has proven that he is a superb basketball player. He has not proven that he can “elevate” the people around him with his dickish behavior.

  • redoct31

    I concur with that train of though with one addition, In order to be a good leader you have to be a loyal SOULJAH

  • EP

    Sincerely, Kobe Bryant’s Facebook public relations ghost writer

  • pablo

    once again slam used tabloid-like title for this article

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    LakeShow only says Kobe’s great and the Lakes are great. That’s not refuting anything.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    How stupid are you, really?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Kobe makes punk moves. The only reason he’s not in another uniform is because Gasol ended up in LA. Some of his peers all had worse situations and they handled it better than he did. It’s pretty easy to see this. KG, T-Mac, later on LeBron. Neither one went on the radio asking for a trade and retracted on the same day. Neither complained about needing to go elsewhere.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You wouldn’t know intelligence when you saw it seeing as how you have none going by your comments.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You have no point. You’re just here to back up LakeShow. Look around. You two are outnumbered.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    He’s not the most successful player in history. Read what the dude wrote. He said that Kobe has been as successful as any player in the history of the game. Which obviously isn’t true. Learn how to read. It’s so simple.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    For a dude who can’t seem to create an opinion of his own that is worth reading, I could care less about if you value my opinion or not.

  • pposse

    its a known fact that Lebron does not have a go to move offensively, one on one (address that for me, that was the original point). I like and respect Lebron’s game, but lets be real here..at end of game situations with the ball in Lebron’s hands, you just do not know what he is going to do. I have seen him jag end of game situations a lot, especially in the past 3 years. On the other hand, KD (at least what i have seen) has come thru a lot in the clutch by shouldering the offensive production. I am saying, that there is a lot more that Lebron can get/learn out of practicing with KD than vice versa. KD cannot imitate or duplicate the things that Lebron can do, he is not built physically to do those things. My theory is that Lebron is willing and promotes practicing with KD because he is trying to learn a thing or two offensively (one on one move) from KD. KD can learn nothing from Lebron. And to your point about defense, Lebron is no fool, KD does not have the same type of averages he had in the Finals against Lebron historically. Im not saying it was flash in the frying pan, just that I think what happened in the finals can be corrected.

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    So the argument is that Kobe was only willing to make these comments from a position of strength? That proves my point about bullying doesn’t it?

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    Kobe. No media person brought up Smush. Maybe kwame but not Smush.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Did you watch last season? LeBron doesn’t need a go-to move. He did just fine with the moves he has. Everyone wants him to make end of game shots as if that’s the most important thing for a superstar player to do. After Jordan, there hasn’t been a player since who has had a great percentage when it comes to “clutch” shots. The shots that guys like Melo and Kobe have hit are shown so much that people forget that they’ve missed a lot more than they’ve made. It’s not really all that important when you look at what he can do. People only really have a few examples of him not coming through during the 4th quarter. There are more examples of him making the best decision whether it was a shot or a pass. Besides Game 5 against Boston and the Finals against Dallas, people can’t name any other big moment where he didn’t come through in the 4th quarter. The only reason they talk about it so much is because there’s more attention on playoff games. KD plays a different kind of game. He doesn’t have the all-around game that LeBron does. He’s more of a scorer than anything else so of course, he’s going to take end of game shots. Who said that guys should only practice with players they can learn or take from? Can’t they just do it because they feel like it? They’re grown men. They can do whatever they want to do. And if LeBron is trying to learn from KD, then that’s a sign of him knowing that there is still a level he can get to. But no mind games are being played here. KD can learn how to get more intense and involved defensively just like LeBron learned from Kobe after the 08 Olympics. Nothing wrong with them helping each other. This isn’t the 80s/90s. Guys have different relationships now. Most of them grew up playing against each other as teenagers in AAU and high school ball. These two guys have known each other since KD’s first season. No one can think of one good reason why they shouldn’t work out together.

  • LakeShow

    I expect more, even out of children. Common, top 10 talent. Act like it gents. Geezuz.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    I guess I’m a moron then. SMH at your Malcolm X comment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Bishop.SeanMagicJuan Sean MagicJuan

    Has Kobe Bryant ever shot 50% from the field in a season? Has Jordan, LBJ, Wade, Magic, Bird, Dr. J, Russell, Chamberlain, Abdul Jabbar, Malone, Barkley, Oscar, or Elgin? All of the names in the latter (generally considered the all time greats) have, Kobe never did. He is a “great” volume shooter.

  • luv2ball

    In the military we have a saying called “Leadership is not Likership” I have no problems with Kobe’s leadership style. The task is to complete the mission, not to make friends.

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