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Thursday, October 11th, 2012 at 10:15 am  |  147 responses

Kobe Bryant Says Smush Parker Was ‘the Worst’


Between the departure of Shaquille O’Neal in 2004 and the arrival of Pau Gasol in 2008, Kobe Bryant was saddled with some pretty awful teammates. It’s an issue Kobe no longer faces, especially this season. Bryant took a walk down memory lane last night (he sat out the preseason game against the Blazers due to a strained right shoulder), and his acid tongue ripped into former Lakers point guard Smush Parker. Per the OC Register: “I almost won an MVP with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown on my team,’ Bryant said before Wednesday’s 93-75 exhibition loss to Portland. ‘I was shooting 45 times a game. What was I supposed to do? Pass it to Chris Mihm or Kwame Brown.’ Bryant was referring to 2005-06 when the Lakers’ roster included Brian Cook, Stanislav Medvedenko, Devean George and Parker, Mihm and Brown. Bryant continued, taking aim at his favorite whipping boy, Parker, calling him ‘the worst. He shouldn’t have been in the NBA but we were too cheap to pay for a point guard. So we let him walk on.’”

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  • Fat Lever

    Well Kobe’s got the @$$hole part down pat. I hope Dwight is taking copious notes.

  • Perry the PlatyPteranodon

    Daamn, Kobe done smushed Smush…

  • biggieman

    Haha that’s prettty funny… Even though everyone in the world already knew that Smush was “the worst”, there is no need to even make these comments. Kind of a dick move on Kobe’s part.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Kobe hasn’t cared since that incident in Colorado was over in 2004 about being liked. I’m glad he stopped trying to be the All-American guy in the McDonald’s commercials. But comments like this are just unnecessary. My guess is he’s saying these things because he knows that chances are great he won’t run into Chris Mihm, Kwame Brown or Smush Parker anytime soon. As for the number of shots he had to shoot, he’s always been shot happy whether he was playing with Kwame or Smush or playing with Gasol and Bynum. There’s a guy playing right now named LeBron James who would have gotten guys like Mihm, Kwame and Smush going. That’s never been Kobe’s aim regardless of what he says about his days of being happy just passing to Shaq. Great player. Not that great of a teammate.

  • http://twitter.com/Illustrious_Cee Chris

    asshole or not, Kobe is correct. How many of those guys Kobe played with in the post-Shaq era, pre-Gasol era are still in the league (or relevant) other than L.O and Kwame Brown? I’ll wait …

  • K_HOLIDAY

    Smush averaged 11 points, 4 assists and almost 2 steals that year. I mean he wasnt great but he wasnt terrible either.

  • Karl

    Kobe just can’t keep his mouth shut…

  • Ethos

    Kobe is the polar opposite of Nash.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    That’s all good but he didn’t need to make these comments. I’m sure they could share some stories about how bad of a teammate Kobe is and how much he shot the ball without thinking about passing it to them. Haven’t heard a word from them.

  • http://twitter.com/MrM3Ls Ramel Page

    I talk to Smush from time to time during the summer…believe me the feeling is mutual.

  • bike

    True maybe, but classless. Be careful Dwight. Be very careful.

  • Atlanta Zone 6

    But Kobe was hands down the best player on that team so their excuses wouldn’t hold much weight

  • Kap

    Kobe did make those guys better. He had Mihn looking like a starting center and Smush Parker averaged double figures bc the attention Kobe drew. They were one game from moving to second round. Also Smush started the trash talk bout Kobe a few years bk.

  • Atlanta Zone 6

    Kobe could say water is wet and some of ya’ll would disagree because it came from him..

    ya’ll haven’t learned he don’t give a fuck about your opinions of him…I think that’s what really get ya’ll catching feelings too,that he don’t care.

  • Kap

    Smush started this years ago by criticizing Kobe. Get your facts straight.

  • Kap

    Smush came out a few years ago criticizing Kobe.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Mihm looking like a starting center? Look at that roster. Who else was going to start at center?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Not excuses and it’s not about Kobe being the best player on the team. There’s something to be said for being a good teammate.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Kobe has a history of this. Remember the video in 07 of him saying that he wished Bynum had gotten traded for Jason Kidd?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    It’s not “catching feelings”. It’s having the good sense to see that Kobe has a history of making these kinds of comments about teammates who he feels aren’t good enough. The Bynum comments in 07. He’s made comments about Kwame Brown before. Now this. It’s not even about the fans. It’s about other players in the league and legends before him. Legendary players who were much better than he is have had teammates worse than the teammates he had to play with. And they didn’t say a word about them. I highly doubt if you’ll hear LeBron talk about how bad some of his Cavs teams were when he retires.

  • Jer dawg

    Smush had a bad attitude problem. His body language sucked. He was impressive, though. Every now and then. But he being a minimum guy he could have exhibited more of a hungry player with better attitude. Kwame brown was terrible, but he tried and had good attitude. chris Mihm wasn’t horrible but gave effort and had good attitude.
    If Smush just kept his head on straight then I think he would still be in NBA. Shannon brown is great athlete but has right work ethic and attitude to still stick on a roster.

  • Kap

    So Jordan wasn’t similar in character? He’s old school. Last of a dying breed. You think Barkley wouldn’t say the same or Shaq either. These new guys are all about being loved and being friends with their peers.

  • Kap

    He ain’t Bron and Bron ain’t Kobe. Dang. Doesn’t make either less of a person. Barkley and Jordan have same mentality as Bean.

  • http://twitter.com/theverybestyou NWS

    Seven years later and Kobe still has a crush on Smush.

  • http://twitter.com/justinmaller Justin Maller

    Yeah, but I bet if I put you on the court for 40 mins you’d do the same. It’s not hard to get 4 assists with 2006 Kobe on your team.

  • Comment_System

    He was the AT&T of people, he was the opposite of batman.

  • http://twitter.com/justinmaller Justin Maller

    Man, I love Kobe. It’s so cool to see someone actually speak their mind rather than offer platitudes and formulaic nonsense. This is what he thinks. I bet a lot of dudes think similar stuff but instead bore you to tears with athlete-speak to be a “good character guy”. Fuck that. Kobe speaks openly, in a way few active players do. I’m grateful for it.

  • K_HOLIDAY

    It is hard to get 4 assists with Kobe on your team because Kobe on your team means you dont see the ball my friend! LOL!

  • justin05

    You are just a Kobe hater. He’s just another guy…great at basketball but he lacks in other departments ( being a good,faithful husband). Michael Jordan is the same way, the best ever but still a douchebag in real life. I’d rather hang out with my neighbor down the street, he has some good kush right now.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Kobe is on a vendetta right now. Trying to push Dwight to be more like him, throwing his old teammates under a bus that left the station years ago. I don’t know how well this is going to go over.

  • http://twitter.com/justinmaller Justin Maller

    This seems like the humblest brag of all time. Kudos to you sir!

  • http://twitter.com/justinmaller Justin Maller

    Pretty sure you can get assists off of inbounds though :)

  • http://twitter.com/Illustrious_Cee Chris

    What constitutes a “great teammate” is highly subjective, my friend. Sure, Kobe has a shoot-first mentality, but that’s his style of play and why he’s a SHOOTING guard. Moreover, this notion of him being a “selfish” player is misguided, need I remind you who was the main playmaker on the 3-peat team in the Triangle? (Hint: he wore#8). And when you play with cats like Mihm, Smush and Brian Cooke, no amount of “unselfish” player will win you anything, especially when you play in the ridiculously competitive 2000s Western Conference.

    Being a great teammate is so much more than passing the ball, cracking jokes with your teammates and having them over for dinner parties. I mean, all that stuff is great too, but getting them to mirror your work ethic, stay focused and seeing the big picture is part of it too. Kobe might not be great at all that “soft power” stuff, but very few superstars were either. Probably only Magic, and even he was ultra competitive as well. Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Bird were not the “nicest” guys. And don’t get me started on MJ. It’s just the way it works, rightly or wrongly.

  • Salty

    yeah in the age of twitter we need more people who will “speak their mind”…i.e. talk out of their ass.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Caron Butler

  • Joe Harden

    I agree with you about how unnecessary his comments about Smush are. Kobe has never REALLY cared about other people. It is an insufferably arrogant aspect of his personality that I can’t stand, personally. I am going to hate rooting for Nash, Gasol and Howard to win a title because of The Black Stumble-ah. I doubt he cares if he runs into Smush and Kwame…even though he is right about them sucking (in comparison to other players), he went a little HAM on them with these comments.

  • Joe Harden

    I agree with you about how unnecessary his comments about Smush are. Kobe has never REALLY cared about other people. It is an insufferably arrogant aspect of his personality that I can’t stand, personally. I am going to hate rooting for Nash, Gasol and Howard to win a title because of The Black Stumble-ah. I doubt he cares if he runs into Smush and Kwame…even though he is right about them sucking (in comparison to other players), he went a little HAM on them with these comments.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Barkley talks all the time how much he loved his teammates in Phoenix and in Philly. The only player Shaq has said negative things about is Kobe.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Another person who thinks that telling the truth means you’re a hater. Smarten up.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Neither Barkley nor Jordan has made any kind of comment like these or the comments Kobe made about Bynum 5 years ago.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Jordan said years ago that while he sees some of him in Kobe, there are things Kobe does that he would never do.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Name one player that Kobe has made better.

  • ALD

    i always wondered why ramon sessions didn’t resign

  • enarez

    Everyone on the 2004-2005 team. How many of them have played better since leaving the Lakers? Odom is one guy in particular.

    Nice job in these comments by the way. Kobe must really grind your gears, hahaha!

  • enarez

    Here’s someone dissecting his teammates improvement: http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2012/03/comparing-nash-effect-with-bryant.html

  • spit hot fiyah

    you don’t

  • spit hot fiyah

    smush first season with the lakers was not that bad, he disappeared in the playoffs, but his first regular season with them was alright, then it went kind of down hill

  • LobCity

    Everyone on the 04-05 team? What was their record again? How exactly did he make those players better?

  • enarez

    Read the article above. They eventually made it into the playoffs after being a dog shit team. That’s making your teammates better.

  • LobCity

    @Chris how many players on ANY 04 team are still in the league and relevant? Only top level talent stays relevant that long.

  • charliewinning

    You’re right. We sit around getting upset that Kobe, a complete stranger, doesn’t care about what we think. Look, it’s a comment section on a website. People have opinions. People share them. No one here is looking for a change in Kobe. We can express that we feel Kobe is being his typical dickhead self without being upset about it. It’s not that serious.

  • Lorne

    True. Bron plays defense and passes the ball. He makes his teammates better so he definitely is no Kobe.

  • pposse

    every damn time i want to give up despising Kobe, he goes and does something real stupid again and again and again. Kwame still plays in the league, i will laugh so hard if Kwame commits a flagorant foul on Kobe when they meet up again

  • LakeShow

    “He can’t do anything with the ball. Don’t give it to him.” –MJ yelling at Paxson for passing the ball to Will Perdue
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    “You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can’t get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can’t even stick his ass into people and get more than that…Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward.” – MJ talking about Stacey King.

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    “It’s a hell of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers.” In reference to Sellers lack of ability.

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    “If you pass the ball to Bill Cartwright, you’ll never get the ball from me.” – Jordan to Armstrong

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    “Why the hell don’t you ever set a pick like that in a game?” – MJ yelling at and hitting Perdue on the head.

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    “I don’t know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy.” – MJ on the Oak trade

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    Yeah, Jordan held his tongue when speaking about team mates…

  • RKJ92

    Hahahaha! I actually laughed at this chris kid he’s all proud of his comment like no one will solve it going, “I’ll wait…” Then the second nbk logs on “Caron Butler” Looooooollllllllllll!!

  • LakeShow

    I love it when facts get down voted. Makes me laugh every time..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    just for the record, the 20secondtimeout guy is a notorious Kobe apologist. He makes good points quite often, but just as often, he ignores relevant information altogether just to justify his own point.

  • enarez

    He counters a lot of Kobe hate but he’s not an apologist. He will also often argue his point in the comments. He does a lot more than the writers and commenters who he criticizes/criticize him with strawman and ad hominem attacks.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the article above? you want me to dissect what David Friedman said, point by point?
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    1 – He didn’t mention that Gasol’s also in Los Angeles now, not Memphis. Ofcourse he is going to get more All-Star recognition. — Gasol’s real best season as a pro came in 2006-07 when he was the first option whose supporting cast included (in order of production) Mike Miller, Chucky Atkins, Hakim Warrick, Rudy Gay (who was 20 years old), and Stromile Swift. — Gasol has his most efficient, productive season as an NBA player surrounded by little talent, hopefully he would become even more efficient around Bryant….but? he didn’t. His shooting % went up, which would have happened with any other star player just by making Gasol a second option who had less of the defensive focus placed on him.
    2 – Lamar Odom, outside of 2010-11 his two best seasons came in Miami and with the Clippers. The only statistic where Kobe’s affect his pronounced, is again, in FG% – which again, is a product of less defensive focus, not in Kobe making his teammates better —- Let’s also remember, for both Gasol and Odom, each were also part of the team and each would have been the best teammate either had up until they joined Bryant.
    3 – Shannon Brown – LOL, Kobe made Shannon Brown better? By what? taking all the minutes that matter? Shannon Brown last season in Phoenix posted a PER of 13.6, which is the exact same as his career high PER of 13.6 in Los Angeles in 2010-11, when he was barely, and i mean by hundredths of a decimal, more efficient from the field.
    4 – Sasha Vujacic – You see where this is going? We have to argue over whether he made horrible NBA players any better, like a slight jump in FG% and 3pt% tell us Kobe made people better….rather than took away defensive attention and only finds people when they are clearly open. Are you really making people better when you are the judge jury and executioner on when a role player gets the opportunity to succeed? If so, then fine, Kobe made Sasha bettter.
    5 – Smush Parker – I am not even going to address this one, Kobe did it for me in the article
    6 – Kwame Brown – his point about Brown stems from how many playoff games the guy has played in, in his career — Really? Because Kwame Brown is a key cog to a playoff team? Or because he was so key to the Lakers success? And whatever he was the key to, can be attributed to Bryant? Really? Moving on.
    7 – Vladimir Radmonovic – So this really devolved after #2. Kobe made Vladimir Radmonovic a better NBA player? Only because of shooting %? Let’s ignore his PPG, RPG, TOV, and everything else, shooting % is all that matters, Kobe made him better. His 23 minutes a game, really must have come with tons of pressure and all. smh

  • http://www.facebook.com/NomrnaYoung Norman Young

    what we fail to realize is smush was a legends on the streets and would put it to kobe if it came down to the blacktop..ijs

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no he’s a Kobe apologist. He ignores information that totally contradicts what he says, he focuses on irrelevant information, basically he will only highlight things that make Kobe look better. I have read an article from that guy arguing that Michael Jordan was only slightly better than Kobe Bryant, if at all. LOL, the guy has a clear agenda and bias, everyone who has read his articles and isn’t a Lakers fan sees it. The Lakers fans though? They love David Friedman, as he is the guy who justifies their love in Bean.

  • Conor

    Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, Sasha Vujacic, Jordan Farmar, Trevor Ariza, Pau Gasol, Shaquille O’Neal (/vice versa), and Lamar Odom have all experienced the height of their careers (and the greatest Playoffs of their careers) with Kobe, on the Lakers. Undeniably.

    The have all acknowledged his influence on their game. Hell, his training regime inspired Melo, LeBron, Paul, Chandler, and Williams to each re-evaluate their methods of practice.

    He was the only player Tracy McGrady wrote in honour of as a competitor (Yao as a player & friend). Game recognizes game. Why don’t people get that?

    Grown men and women who have played with or against Bryant aren’t obligated to speak about him with such respect. But they choose to when the topic arises. Bryant has earned his the same way that Mikan, West/Russell/Cousy/Chamberlain/McAdoo/Frazier, Dr. J, Magic/Bird, Worthy, Thomas, Rodman, Olajuwon, Jordan, Shaq, Wade, and Kareem (most similarly, historically, in transience of greatness achieved & means of achievement) earned theirs.

  • Conor

    *on their games

  • justin05

    Half of your coments have to do with Kobe. Say something respectful every now and then and I’ll take your comments more seriously.

  • Corky

    I’ll add this…

    LeBron simply laughed and giggled in his teammates faces then left them high and dry while saying he was leaving to play with better player. Implicitly telling his former players they were holding him back.

    I’ll take the direct Kobe version every time. At least you know where you stand with him and can try to get on the same (professional) page.

    Add for the record, Brown, Parker and Bynum were playing like bums. Only Bynum got his act together and now people say he’s an asshole. Go figure.

  • enarez

    1. So his shooting percentage increased but it was because he now plays with Kobe but it’s not because of Kobe? And isn’t that the definition of making a guy better? Having his stats increase? And if his FG% increases, doesn’t that mean he’s more efficient?
    2. Again, same thing. So he played his best season with Kobe but he isn’t better because of Kobe. What else do you want Kobe to do?
    3. PER? LOL. Bullshit in, bullshit out.
    4. Sasha was in the league because of Kobe. Same as Smush. Neither would have done a thing without him. That’s the definition of making a player better.
    5. ^
    6. “He set his single season career high in FG% in 2007″
    7. Vlad was a shooter. His FG% went up with Kobe. The only thing he does, wants to do, or will ever do, he did best while playing with Kobe.

    Your entire post is summed up as saying that FG% is a bullshit stat. Do you want him to turn them into better passers and better rebounders? Is he a coach too?

  • Corky

    Exactly.

    Jordan used to tear into players. So did Phil Jackson.

  • Mr Cox

    He would’ve said those things regardless of who he’d be seeing…he’s got a history of bashing teammates that he’d see the next day (i.e. the Bynum incident). Call him an arrogant jerk but don’t imply that a man is a coward because he says something about someone who just happens to not be present at the time. Also, you don’t know what question was asked to spur that soliloquy, so you shouldn’t assume that he just felt like ranting about Smush Parker.

  • Ozgood

    That’s really classless of Kobe to say. There is no need to beat people when they are down. Smush was just living out his dream. How can you say he doesn’t belong in the NBA? That’s messed up. Maybe he shouldn’t have started on a team like the Lakers but I’m sure he can fit on a roster.

  • Peregrine

    SMH. Absolutely no good comes out of trashing your teammates 6 years after they were on your team. As much as I admire the man’s work ethic, he simply does not inspire or galvanizes his teammates in a way that maximizes their talent on the court. He has simply always been about getting his. Just look at what Nash has done in his last years with Phoenix, never complained, helped make career years for role players who wouldn’t see pt on any other team, and stayed positive with his team and org despite having the least talented roster in the entire nba. Night and day with how Kobe handles things.

  • Ozgood

    I bet you Jordan would’ve made Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown BETTER players instead of just bitching like Kobe does. I bet you he would’ve went further in the playoffs with he same team too. He’d of made Lamar Odom look like a superstar too.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    .If you want to argue making a player better is making their FG% go up, then every player who is better then every other player, makes every lesser player better. As defenses aren’t stupid. They aren’t going to focus on the guy who isn’t any good.
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    .Kobe makes his teammates shooting %’s better by taking away defensive attention. That’s what your arguing. You aren’t arguing he makes them better players. Because, factually speaking, none of them were better basketball players with Bryant then they were without him. Gasol’s best season as a pro came without Kobe. Odom’s second and third best season as a pro came without Kobe. .Why is PER bullshit, but FG% isn’t? shooting a higher % means your a better player while producing at the same efficiency with even more production doesn’t? Well that sounds pretty fucking stupid now doesn’t it?.Sasha was in the league because of Kobe? Or he just went to Turkey because of the lockout and had an NBA clause that expired? And was forced to stay another year? I mean he wasn’t playing almost 30 minutes a game in New Jersey or anything. You know, because guys not good enough for the NBA don’t play when they get traded and all..Kwame Brown’s best season as a pro came in 2003-04 – against FG% is a product of defensive attention, not Kobe making people better. If Kobe made people better, they would be better. They would literally play better then they’ve ever played.
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    You know what? here, let’s just end this stupid ass point how i ended another.
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    Caron Butler. – whose production as a rookie mirrored what it was as the second/third (whatever you want to argue) player on a team next to Kobe. Then he left…..and his production spiked, even per minute….despite joining worse players. (Kobe Bryant & Lamar Odom > Gilbert Arenas & Antawn Jamison) Unless you want to argue that too?

  • LakeShow

    You clearly missed the concept.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Actually, it was a few months before he saw Bynum again. Definitely not the next day.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    He made those comments during the offseason. It was a few months before training camp began.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Kwame Brown and Pau Gasol had their best seasons Pre-Kobe.
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    Odom was great in 2010-11 next to Kobe granted. But his 2nd and 3rd best seasons, came again, Pre-Kobe.
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    Shaq’s best season was 1999-2000 – Kobe’s 4th worst season as a pro, and Shaq’s production and efficiency dipped every year with Kobe from there on out.
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    Trevor Ariza – His Best Individual Season was either in Houston after Kobe, or Orlando before Kobe. One or the Other. His best season no matter how you determine it (production – efficiency – both), came without Kobe.
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    Jordan Farmar – Best season was 2011-12 in New Jersey. Both in terms of efficiency and production.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    On the court, who has Kobe made better? When has anyone ever said “Man, Kobe’s really getting Gasol going tonight”? What teammate has he made better because none of those Lakers teammates were made better by him. He didn’t make Shaq better. Shaq was going to get his regardless of who it was who gave him the ball. Pau gets his numbers in spite of Kobe not because of him. Lamar got his numbers while he was with the Lakers in spite of Kobe, not because of him. The past two seasons, Pau has gotten to a point where he’s had to say that the team should spend more time getting the ball to the big guys which is basically saying that Kobe shoots too much. There aren’t too many guys in the league who are nicer than Gasol so if he has had to say something, it holds weight. D-Wade said two seasons ago after the All-Star game that Kobe was playing like he was on the Lakers meaning he was shooting a lot. He shot bad shots this summer with the Olympic team. It’s just not his game to make his teammates better. Find one analyst who has said anything about him being a great facilitator. Kobe doesn’t belong in the same sentence with Jordan when it comes to individual achievements or team achievements. 6 Finals appearances, 0 Finals losses, 6 rings, 6 Finals MVPs, 5 regular season MVPs. Kobe’s lost twice in the Finals disqualifying him from being compared to Jordan. He doesn’t belong with Magic either who was a 3 time regular season MVP. Kobe only has 1. Seems like you just named a bunch of random legends without thinking. As for “transience of greatness achieved” and comparing him to Kareem, the only things that are keeping Kobe still in the league now is his postgame and the fact that Pau Gasol came to LA in that theft of a trade in 07. Now he has a few more seasons thanks to Dwight coming to LA. If Kobe was a better playmaker, Gasol would be a 20 and 10 guy on a nightly basis.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Yes, half of my comments on here have to do with Kobe..the half that are on posts that are about Kobe lol.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    LeBron laughed and giggled while he won 60 plus games two seasons in a row with that team and had Mo Williams worthy of being in the All-Star game and Mike Brown as Coach of the Year. He got to the Finals by beating the Pistons in a series where the teammate who played the best behind him was Daniel Gibson, a rookie. He never said a word about any teammate, waited until he was a free agent and left legitimately. Kobe begged for a trade, decided he didn’t want one, then decided he did and decided he didn’t…all in one day. Then Gasol arrived and he quieted down.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    There was no concept to miss. Only a wrong point to correct. Who else was going to start at center, 36 year old Vlade Divac?

  • Conor

    Their Playoff performances with Kobe far surpass anything they had (retired) or have yet (active) to accomplish, @disqus_rOeXXBD2qs:disqus. Forgot to include Shannon Brown, but that list is simply evidence of the truth.

    Butler was injured & he has maintained close ties with Los Angeles since his departure. Notice how he plays for the Clippers now?

  • Conor

    I remember that video he took (either at the Rucker or in China), on that park bench.

    Was the main conflict between them related to basketball or something that would be considered personal?

  • Conor

    *”…interview Parker had…”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL their playoff performances? because they all played on great teams away from LA? — I’m not arguing Kobe isn’t a great great player that people benefit from playing next to, i’m saying he doesn’t make people better basketball players. Simply because, aside from a TEMPORARY spike in FG% there is not any evidence that he does.
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    “Butler was injured & he has maintained close ties with Los Angeles since his departure. Notice how he plays for the Clippers now” <— This point is astonishingly stupid. Kobe made him better, proof of such is him playing for the Clippers!! hahahahahaha – what? — The only good thing about LA is being in close proximity to Kobe Bryant now? Come on bruh, LOL i am dumbfounded.

  • Conor

    Recently, I can draw two examples, which are microcosms of his influence: Gasol’s first Playoff game as a Laker (36 points, 16 rebounds, 8 assists and 3 blocked shots) & ensuing postseason successes; and Bynum, this past season, against the Clippers (36 points, 8 rebounds).

    Phil Jackson stated that he was a great facilitator, hahaha.

    He’s still in the League because his talent demands it. Obviously a well-supported team will extend any dedicated player’s career.

    (My apologies for any potential change in font. The Gasol stat-line is from Wikipedia)

  • LakeShow

    That is the point.
    There was no center WORTHY of starting.
    Your stupid if you don’t understand this.
    Kap said: “He had Mihn looking like a starting center”
    Meaning that Mihm is NOT a starting center, but looked like it playing next to Kobe.
    Appears as if you think he said there were no centers on the team. There were. Just not starting worthy one. Fairly simple concept…

  • peregrine

    You forget that this was all private and also hear-say from Sam Smith in the Jordan Rules. Not to mention that a lot of it is taken out of context. This doesn’t of course absolve Jordan from any of his douchebaggery since we all know he is a gigantic asshole… but I can’t recall Jordan ever shitting on a teammate like this in public. Also, Kobe has NEVER stopped gunning whether he has Shaq on his team or Kwame. Let’s stop with the bullshit that he shot that much for the Lakers’ benefit.

  • Conor

    Los Angeles was great in large part because of Kobe. Dude, these guys went to the East. Do you not understand that? The East was atrocious at the time.

    It means that he was traded from Los Angeles to Washington as part of the Kwame Brown trade (which, in turn, led to Los Angeles’ trade for Pau Gasol) and that he took what he learned from Kobe and, along with his natural talent, applied it on the court. This led to his improvement. Butler and Bryant are great friends who acknowledge each other’s talents while Butler acknowledges Bryant’s tutelage.

    He returned to Los Angeles, in my opinion, because of fate. There, Tough Juice can compete (four times during the regular season, potentially seven thereafter), student versus master. It worked out well and was likely influenced by their friendship.

    You conveniently fail to remember that Butler’s lone season with the Lakers was riddled with injury. They were in the playoffs before Butler, Odom, and Bryant all got hurt & Tomjanovic had to leave. That season was simply an exercise in poor fortune.

  • peregrine

    Point is, he isn’t keeping it real. Saying that Smush was a walk-on? There’s no such thing in the NBA. He was purposefully denigrating a former teammate to a level below what Smush was as a player.

  • Conor

    Additionally, I wrote “close ties to Los Angeles”, the city, not Kobe, the person. Family, culture, and comfort are all valuable factors when considering a profession, @disqus_rOeXXBD2qs:disqus.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    The only other center on that roster was Divac. So Kobe didn’t have to make Mihm look like a starter. It was either him or old Vlade Divac, not really a tough choice to make. That’s extremely simple to see. Or should be especially if you call yourself a Lakers fan. You’re stupid if you can’t understand that it was either Mihm, Divac or no center in the starting lineup. Mihm looked like a starter not because Kobe made him look like one. He looked like a starter because he was the best option. Obvious fact.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Verified Account

    these guys beef like crazy

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Wait, you’re using one regular season game against the Clippers and one playoff game…how many playoff games has Kobe played in? lol. And you use one game where Phil said he was a facilitator and think that’s supposed to prove that Kobe was/is a great teammate? You can’t be serious.

  • LakeShow

    lol.
    You truly do not understand. Not even close to understanding.
    I’m so baffled i’m going to move on from this…
    Good luck in life.

  • http://twitter.com/MrM3Ls Ramel Page

    LOL I don’t even know if bragging about know Smush is a good thing. He is always around The Cage (NYC) in the Summer.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Oh thank you for such groundbreaking information Conor. I never knew that. — If what you said wasn’t related to Kobe then it wasn’t relevant. I don’t care about why people consider a profession, especially if the information is coming from some random person for some random reason.

  • T-man

    Say it with your chest, Kobe! *Kevin Hart voice*

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    smh. If you are arguing that Bryant made players better, making excuses for why they improved away from him is a contradiction. If he made them better he made them better. If he didn’t, he didn’t.
    .
    Did Kobe teach Butler things? Probably. Did he make him a better basketball player by being his teammate? Maybe, but there is no proof of that.
    .
    - And it seems to be you who doesn’t remember Butler’s lone season in LA – he played in 77 games, started 77 games, & played 36 minutes a game. — Unless you really want to argue that he was playing through an injury just for shits and giggles? seeing as how they weren’t a playoff team and finished 14 games under .500 – it’s pretty safe to say he was healthy.
    - Also, Kobe played in 66 games while Odom played in 64, the team was hardly overrun by injuries.
    - Also, Rudy Tomjanovich coached 43 games, the team went 24 and 19 in that time. When he stopped, the team continued their winning ways until around game 62 – where they finished the season 2-18 with Bryant and Butler being healthy throughout the whole stretch. — Lamar Odom went down for the year about 4 games into the losing streak…..so, i guess the argument that Lamar Odom made his teammates better may be there? Or even that Rudy T made his players better? But Kobe? Naw – no argument there at all. If you care about facts that is.

  • Baller’sOnly

    So what now? We gonna shoot’m because he AIN’T lying!? Looking at every team kobe has played on,,, what was he supposed to do?,,not shoot? Kobe was the best player on every team he played on…period.

  • Conor

    The proof is that he became an All-Star in Washington.

    I’m done.

  • Conor

    “This point is astonishingly stupid. Kobe made him better, proof of such is him playing for the Clippers!! hahahahahaha – what? — The only good thing about LA is being in close proximity to Kobe Bryant now? Come on bruh, LOL i am dumbfounded.”

    It was a response to “what?”. It shouldn’t be that difficult to follow a conversation about a hobby, online, man.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The proof for me you mean? — You can’t argue Kobe made his TEAMMATES better and then say your point is proved by a guy becoming an All Star AFTER they are teammates. LOL i mean, is anybody else reading this shit?

  • Conor

    One last thing, if you can’t take my word for it, take the players’ & coaches’.

    Just try to be less of a troll, @disqus_rOeXXBD2qs:disqus.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    So you can’t read? Is that what your saying?
    .
    why don’t YOU go back, read what i said about Butler, then read your response, and try and make sense out of it. What you said, about Butler playing for the Clippers, in English, has absolutely NOTHING to do with ANY of this conversation, unless you were somehow trying to draw a connection to Kobe as a teammate — Which is what I associated it to and called the point stupid. — Since it had nothing to do with Kobe or this conversation at all, what you said, was completely irrelevant to the discussion.
    .
    Following a conversation is simple, you read the words and generate a response that is relevant to the words you are responding to. You don’t read the words, jump to some totally off-base conclusion, and then continue to type said conclusion into a comment and act like it made any sense.

  • Conor

    Do you understand what “microcosm” and “recent” mean?

    Shaq anointed him as the best player in the world in 2001, long before either of those examples. Usually, that con-notates a player who is better than others &, in turn, elevates the play of others. By definition (Kareem, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Shaq).

    Do you argue for the sake of argument? In an attempt to diminish his obvious positive impacts on the game and other people.

    It confuses me to no end how certain naysayers believe that tripe.

    Literally every legend and opposing player other than Smush Parker – hundreds – has given Kobe his respect as a player. You think they would do that so reverently if he was basketball’s Narcissus? No. That would be foolish.

  • redoct31

    Smush where ever you are in the world when ever you read this feature on the strength of BASKETBALL,( not the he say she say sh*t) I hope that you’re getting in great shape some where on the planet to make a come back into the league & earn ya self a guaranteed roster spot on any team just so that you & the Lord of the Rings himself KB24 can finally settle the score on the HARDWOOD man to man and lock A$$ for 48 minutes. Subliminal criticism is all we can Come away with when we read & hear these barbs But of course we know odd’s are low that Kobe’s will likely drop in at CUNY Baruch College and lace em’ up at NIKE PRO CITY NYC next summer like “MWP” So the safe bet is these words to the media really carry no weight with real hoop fans unless that is these two get it on in a five on five in the very near future I hope. Of course this time on opposing teams.

  • Conor

    Fine. Discount what legends and his own teammates have said many times, historian.

  • Conor

    That’s what the debate is about: Bryant’s quality as a teammate.

    Final observation: Read reviews of Kobe’s performance as a teammate & mentor… made by his teammates & tell me you can believe any of your theories. I suppose if you’ve ingrained your denial so deeply of something so flagrant, there’s no real way of explaining my point of view on the matter without (i) being attacked, or more importantly, (ii) listening to what professional basketball minds have to say. I’m only reiterating what the players and coaches have all said, troll, hahaha.

  • RoyalMike

    Who did Jordan make better??? This is a dumb question because there both SHOOTING guards…..if there not SHOOTING there not winning

  • roscoe

    I have lost some respect for some of you trolls defending smush parker, the guy who beat up a valet attendant over a couple of bucks, bc kb24 said he was what smush is. stop it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “Are you feeling like you’re going to come back next year?” Jeanie asked me. “Well, not if Kobe Bryant is on this team next year,” I told her. “He’s too complex a person. I don’t need this.” – Phil Jackson.

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    Smush was doing fine until Kobe started giving him the Kobe look every time he made a mistake. Initially Kobe tried to take Smush under his wing and talk about being his big brother. I imagine they fell out over personal stuff as much as over Smush’s play. Kobe doesn’t like players who don’t obviously acknowledge him as the alpha dawg and seek his approval. He has to be top dawg. he would rather be top dawg and lose than be second fiddle and win. He said as much recently.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    No the debate was about if Kobe makes his teammates better. Which there is no proof of. Anywhere. – There is plenty of proof that Kobe is one of the best players of all time – Plenty of proof that guys enjoyed playing with him – even proof that he created opportunities for guys to succeed by just being on the court with them – but there is no proof, anywhere, that he made his teammates better basketball players. Bryant has always been about himself, as he would say, “i was shooting 45 times a game, what was i supposed to do? pass it to Kwame” – Kobe looks like a great teammate when things are going well (who wouldn’t) – but when things aren’t, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQS3tGOLfO0

  • roscoe

    @byanymeansnecessary: at least you admit your mistakes unlike kd.

  • roscoe

    jordan punched teamates and never spoke to rodman. get your facts 1st.

  • roscoe

    @lakeshow: schooling ppl w/ knowledge… damn straight.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Allen, good to see you’re back

  • shockexchange

    Horry Jr throwing a teammate under the bus? The Shock Exchange finds that hard to believe.

  • Mr Cox

    It doesn’t matter…you’re just nitpicking. The point is that he completely disrespected a man twice his size that he’d be seeing very soon-and people don’t forget things like what he said.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah it was definitely a power struggle between Kobe and Smush as to who was going to take the Lakers franchise into the future…

  • LakeShow

    Holler :)

  • retloc

    Nobody actually makes anyone else better, they make themselves better, but if you can’t see that by kobe taking the defensive pressure off the other guys thus increasing their field goal percentage is making the game easier for them you’re being blinded by your own choosing. Kobe creates an atmosphere where others can thrive simply because he demands so much attention. He gets them better looks just by being out there. Lebron hasn’t made anyone better either, but he has allowed them to maximize their talents by being the focus of the defense

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    SHOOTING A BETTER % IS NOT THRIVING. IT’S SHOOTING A BETTER %. If you aren’t getting many shots, does that really matter? And since when have you ever played basketball in your life and enjoyed having a teammate who openly didn’t respect you or members of your team as worthy teammates? You know of the things he’s said about teammates, shit he told Smush Parker not to talk to him because he wasn’t accomplished as a player….while they were teammates. How do you tell your PG not to talk to you as the captain of your team? Is that what a good teammate would do? Is he making his teammates better by isolating himself from them and acting like they aren’t worth his time because of their lesser skills? .
    Lol their shooting % was better. Yay.
    .
    -”hi me Kwame, did you see I got 5 whole entire shots and scored 7 whole points this year, same as last year…..and in 27 minutes….. which is 6 more than on my previous team and guess what? I made a career high FG% in my extra 6 minutes to score the same amount of points on the same number of shots because I have this great teammate Kobe who only helps my confidence and wants me to succeed” – http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownkw01.html

    - OH WAIT, TO GET THAT “CAREER HIGH, KOBE MADE ME BETTER” FG%….KWAME BROWN MADE A WHOPPING 0.2 FIELD GOALS PER GAME. .
    Please, make educated arguments that aren’t supplied by Kobe apologists who ignore facts to sound smarter. .
    Bye.

    .

  • arnie

    Kobe must be doing something right he has five rings and its not about who makes other players better its about winning championships if you were in the league would you want to play with somebody that makes you better or help you win championships you decide

  • retloc

    Again I never said kobe made anybody better. People make themselves better. I personally don’t really like kobe, as he is too selfish. He does however get scrubs open looks, which any great player does. Any star player is going to demand the defenses attention. Thrive might have been too strong of a word, but when we’re talking about dudes who average garbage stats anyway it was meant as them maximizing their talent. The only way kobe could make others better is by them seeing his work ethic and dedication to making himself better and emulating that. And yeah, my arguements regarding basketball aren’t going to be that educated because im a pretty casual fan. I don’t know any of the numbers to back up an arguement. For the most part slam is my main source of bball. I wish I could watch more, have season pass and all that, but I spend a large hunk of my time in work camps, and when im home it seems like play with me sesame gets higher priority than sports. I have to give you respect for always being well informed regarding hoops, I honestly can’t understand how you always have the numbers to make your point. I do get a kick out of how worked up you get when debating, but that’s usually the case when someone actually knows what they’re talking about and can’t get through to the rest. Regarding playing with someone like kobe, I was that guy when I was younger, but melllowed out after realizing that everyone on the team is a real person and have their own problems and don’t need me bulldogging them. And my teams got way better as a result.

  • retloc

    This is what im talking about,crazy stats at your fingertips. Do you have to look stuff up every post, or is the knowledge burned in your brain? Mad props, my point with kobe is the only way he makes anyone actually better is motivation, and only in regards to how hard he works

  • retloc

    I get what he’s saying. By being on kobes team and seeing how he works he became better, that’s how kobe can make someone better, not as a teammate, but as an example of what you need to do to be better. Just like kobes probably made guys d be better knowing they had to try and shut him down.

  • pposse

    but thats the thing tho…kobe is NOT jordan so he should stop acting like him. if you had the choice of chips ahoy cookies or presidents choice cookies..i hope you would go with the chips ahoy.

  • Conor

    Yet Jackson returned after only a single season and they won two championships more. Your point?

  • spit hot fiyah

    rucker, china, same thing

  • Conor

    According to Yahoo! Sports, LeBron used to be considered such a poor teammate that Colangelo and Krzyzewski were prepared to leave him off the 2008 Olympic team if he didn’t shape up (consequently, Jason Kidd volunteered to mentor him throughout the Games). Just to keep his position on the team.

    Obviously he has since changed and matured. The only way you could compare the two is by admitting their similarities of adapting as professionals, which is most important for a teammate to be.

  • Flash

    By any means and nbk got owned on this post LOL i love the way they shut up suddenly when they are losing

  • http://www.facebook.com/qcollingwood Interdico Scriptor

    Yeah Kobe… yr the worst!

  • LobCity

    @enarez that article was dog shit. You can’t pick random facts without taking into account other variables. For example, I could say Shaq left the lakers and won a title within 2 years while Kobe needed 2 years to sneak into the playoffs. Therefore Shaq was the reason behind the Lakers success, not Kobe. Obviously thats not true, but that’s what that stupid article did over and over. Making random facts that dont neccesarily correlate to Kobe, to prove they were better with him. I could break down each stupid point that dude made but it takes too much time. Obviously you can’t expect a championship from that squad. But if you look back at the cavaliers teams of 04 & 05, LeBron had shitty talent and they did good. Even knocked out Detroit in the playoffs. So while I didn’t expect Kobe to lead them to the finale I did expect something closer to the cavs.

  • EP

    ByAnyMeansNecessary pretty much said it all here. There’s nothing else to add. And yeah, stop comparing him to Jordan. Kobe’s first 3 titles came with Shaq as Finals MVP each time.

  • EP

    While everyone’s talking about what a bad teammate Kobe is, I just want to add this: Best teammate of all time = Kevin Garnett. Too bad KG didn’t get to have a career filled with the kind of teammates Kobe’s had through the years.

  • J Du Bois

    Didn’t Caron win a championship without Kobe on a team that beat Kobe!?! (I know Caron was injured but don’t you think his presence from the bench maid all the Mavs better)

  • LeeRambone

    I have read comments on here for years now and come to respect alot of the regulars opinions. Nbk comes across as a total prick! Sarcastic, agressive know it all c##t

  • MackAtttack

    I think Kwame Brown as your starting PF/C and Brian Cook as your back-up is a lot worse than Smush Parker….

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes he was on the Mavericks team that swept LA. I don’t remember for sure, but i think he was injured throughout that series, or maybe he got injured during it? — Either way, that series has nothing to do with this conversation.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I have looked up every statistic i use at some.
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    I don’t think you guys are thinking very thoroughly about what “make” means. Is he making someone better by working hard and being observed doing so? Or is what he does just a great example of what players should be doing anyway. It’s not like Kobe takes the young guys and says, “you’re going to work out with me this week, we’re gonna make you a better professional” – he just does his ultra hard work outs and hopefully his teammates watch him and realize they should be doing it to. But he isn’t making anyone anything.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he’s still not “making his teammates better” – if his teammates choose to become better because of Kobe’s influence you can make an argument, but there is no reason to believe Kobe “made” anyone work harder. He isn’t taking any teammates under his wing and making them better — and he definitely isn’t making a whole team of guys better..

  • Kadavour

    i can co-sign this. Smush is (seemingly) ALWAYS on W4th and he’s a stand up dude. he’ll talk to anyone, and he doesn’t bad mouth anyone. Always gives honest opinions.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL

  • Kadavour

    sucks that i’m so late to this party. It is silly to compare players’ commentary in today’s age of communication and 24/7 virtual access to players of former (pre-internet) generations. Most of our impressions of 90s ballers were directly influenced by how the media (beat writers etc.) and marketing machines CHOSE to portray them. You can’t say “You didn’t see Jordan doing that!” and expect that opinion to be judged as anything other than a baseless platitude. We just didn’t have the kind of access to players then to judge them on the same scale we judge players now. We do know that Michael punched a team mate in practice, yet he’s viewed as the consummate professional and ultimate team player. I gotta say, I think Money is the greatest basketball player we’ve ever seen on the NBA stage, but his personality is one of the worst! Why does Michael get a pass? Why do we celebrate AI’s heart and dedication when he tried to justify skipping a practice? Everyone else showed up to work and depended on his contributions to team development that day…My point is, our opinions are largely influenced by how certain media machines influence these guys’ image, and it’s so ingrained that it can sometimes cloud our judgement of a player’s on court abilities.I mean, was there a greater chucker than Bubba in his hay? Kobe’s fall from grace was sudden at first, and then long and gradual, and we really see that represented in ppl’s opinions of his on-court play.

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    Because that is totally what I meant. Context is useful when reading.

  • Kaz

    great player, just a bit of a prick.

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