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Thursday, October 4th, 2012 at 9:00 am  |  43 responses

NBA Players Association to File Grievance Over Flopping Penalties


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

The NBA Players’ Association and the League are going to war again.

Billy Hunter charges that the newly-instituted flopping penalties were put in place without the full consultation of the players, and his organization plans to file a grievance against the NBA.

Per the Sun-Sentinel and CBS Sports:

Players’ union has issued a statement challenging the validity of the NBA’s new flopping policy: “The NBA is not allowed to unilaterally impose new economic discipline against the players without first bargaining with the union. We believe that any monetary penalty for an act of this type is inappropriate and without precedent in our sport or any other sport. We will bring appropriate legal action to challenge what is clearly a vague and arbitrary overreaction and overreach by the Commissioner’s office.”

NBA spokesman Tim Frank said, “Although we haven’t seen any filing from the Players Association, our adoption of an anti-flopping rule is fully consistent with our rights and obligations under the collective bargaining agreement and the law.”

Players, for the most part, seem to be in favor of the rules against flopping. The problem for their union, comes down to the issue of additional money they risk to lose thanks to these new penalties.

Which is simply terrific. Another battle between players, owners and the commissioner is just what the NBA needed on the eve of a new season.

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  • http://twitter.com/SupermanayrB B!

    If they actually play defense & not use b¡£©# @$$ ‘strategy’ in place of it, players won’t have to worry about losing any money. They just need to man up & play real, hard DEFENSE.

  • Max

    What they’re saying is, everybody in the L flops like a motherf*cker..

  • spit hot fiyah

    time to show em why u got that raise billy hunter

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  • http://www.sneakertheater.com/ Sneaker Theater

    I love the new flopping rule, it was just getting out of hand.

  • Okapi

    I wonder who the first player will be who gets hit with a violation…

  • Okapi

    I wonder who the first player will be who gets hit with a violation…

  • http://www.facebook.com/Aykayayciti Lamont AykayayCiti Montgomery

    amen to that

  • absolutefresh

    i think it’s more the case that they can lose a substantial amount of money if they get caught doing it.

    i mean…we know how much NBA players make, but if a flopper (ahem, manu), gets caught out 7 or more times during the course of the season, that’s $100k plus. don’t get me wrong, i’m all for the flopping rule, but maybe the consequences should be so centralized on money.

  • absolutefresh

    i think it’s more the case that they can lose a substantial amount of money if they get caught doing it.

    i mean…we know how much NBA players make, but if a flopper (ahem, manu), gets caught out 7 or more times during the course of the season, that’s $100k plus. don’t get me wrong, i’m all for the flopping rule, but maybe the consequences should be so centralized on money.

  • Bruno

    it’s ok to penalize a flop but putting money on it?? just call it a foul or something … they have to show that it’s wrong but for the game not in their pockets

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lars-Hansen/618510464 Lars Hansen

    Keep the penalty and donate to charity or someting. That way it won’t be a way for Stern n them to take back player salaries, but it helps get rid of these damn flops.

  • K_HOLIDAY

    Not sure how I feel about this flopping rule. I agree that there’s no room in the game for a chronic flopper, but to fine a player for attempting to sell something to the referees that they shouldnt be buying is a weird notion to me. NBA players are the best in the world, so I’d like to assume the refs should be the best in the world as well. They are human, but should be the best of the best. To fine a guy trying to give his team an advantage is weird to me.

  • http://twitter.com/niQknacks niQ

    How about this, the person who flops has to pay that money to the person he did it against! That will stop the flopping.

  • bike

    Can’t the refs just learn to swallow the whistle on a flop? If they can make the distinction between a block and a charge – which isn’t always easy – I don’t see why they can’t identify an obvious overreaction to contact.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    Cosign to the fullest. If they can make that call it should be easier to see if someone is faking contact.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    Blake Griffin or James Harden

  • roscoe

    that would be entertaining.

  • Feez_22

    I like the principle of the flopping rule. I’d like if the fine money went to charity on top of league mandated charity $ or additionally to a retired player’s fund. Thats what i’d like.

  • Conor

    It ultimately is trickery. And the officials’ acceptance of it is a detriment to the game.

    One play comes to mind, and that was this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h60uviwKC0

    There should be no place in the game for that.

  • Conor

    Modernity’s anti-denouement of officiating/flopping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=8ukde193iv

  • Conor

    Robert Horry’s flop as a Spur & Chris Bosh’s flop as a Heat, within the modern era/both against Carlos Boozer (?!), are the two most vilifying examples of why the N.B.A. officiating system must be changed.

    They should catalyze competition, not drama.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Nick Tha Quick

    “If I’m elected Commissioner, I would cut flopping in half in my first term. If a player flops, he will be forced to sit for 2 game minutes in the Penalty box and his team will have to play with 4 players for the duration. On the second flop within a game, the player will be forced to run the stairs all the way up to the topmost nose-bleed seat level and back before he can renter the game. Allowances will be made for majority of New York Knicks who may not make it beyond the 100 level.”

  • surety

    Here’s the thing that many of you saying “oh the refs should just not call it” don’t get: decisions made in real-time are very seldom perfect and a player with the intent and skill to trick refs into making a call will often be able to do just that. Retroactively fining players for flopping, and I think it’s pretty obvious to see on replay, will disincentivize the players from doing that. Just look at how often Wade flops to the floor and a drive or jump shot, he’s made a living off that on the free throw line.

  • Mike From Spain

    The petition was led by JJ Barea, Manu Ginobili and Blake Griffin

  • LobCity

    Derek Fisher….if he gets a contract

  • LobCity

    Is Derek Fisher still the president of the PLayer’s Association? Hmmmm

  • Junior Taylor

    I love how everybody acts like flopping makes today’s players soft. Ummm…remember Dennis Rodman? One of the baddest cats to ever step on an NBA floor? That guy had a Masters in Flopping (ask Karl Malone).

  • danpowers

    valid point. i think it was an entertaining thing to see as long as there were few who did it. it just came to too many players using it. or maybe it is just us being able to see it all through bigger media coverage, hd cams from multiple angles, super slow motion replays and so on

  • flea

    First pro sports penalty in recent memory that doesn’t seem to be motivated by a mongering commish or politics wow.

  • danpowers

    just put the money coming out of flópping fines on billy hunters bank account and were all good

  • bike

    Great idea. Add to that, on the second flop, the offending player has to wear a pair of those little tiny shorts they wore in the 80′s for the rest of the game.

  • danpowers

    id say hed have to wear a pink cheerleader dress. letting him wear the 80s shorts would disrespect that decade

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Nick Tha Quick

    I like how the cover pic of a flopping article is Lebron. Is the article writer insunuating that Lebron is the posterchild for not-so-legit defense? It cannot be.

  • Matt

    I’m liking these flop rules. I think the refs should get fined too for calling a flop as a foul. Players aren’t going to keep flopping if it never gets called. I also don’t think it’s hard for a ref to tell what a flop is. They can distinguish a block from a charge they can do the same with a flop

  • LinHomey

    Yessssssssss, no more garbage charge calls by Shane Battie n Lebron !!!!

  • HaHah

    Funny how the picture of this article has Lebron in it.

  • The Seed

    Thanks NBA, I am tired of seeing Paul, Lebron and others flops.

  • VanCityBBall

    i hate flopping as much as the next guy but i can see where some players might feel threatend in a way… remember when they had that “respect for the game” rule in place so you can’t even bite your tongue to a ref without getting tech’d? it obviously toned down because it was rediculous but remember these players get fined for it. im sure this flopping rule will be extremely strit at first but i think it will ultimately simmer down as time goes on

  • HOOSIER4LIFE

    this is why i’m a much bigger fan of college ball

  • ThaWindy

    If you’re a professional ref and you can’t tell when a player is flopping then you shld only ref k-6 games. The game has been around along time and this is is first time (in the last five yrs or so) I remember this being this big of an issue. And why not fine the organization or the coach? Wouldn’t that effectively stop players from flopping? And offensively players flop when they feel refs are not giving them calls. So why not fine the refs for not being consistent? It’s b.s

  • Lloyd

    I think it’s not as easy as we make it seem. The refs are watching it up close and in real time. It’s a lot to look out for. Their main concern should be making sure the game doesn’t get out of hand physically, not trying to skirt the line between doing that and making sure the drama queens are satisfied. This allows to refs to call the game as they see it like they always have, but the added pressure of discerning flops won’t be their concern. Step in the right direction for sure.

  • Lloyd

    Why would fining the organization or the coach stop a player from flopping? No coach is going to bench a good player because he flops, nor will an organization trade him since wins are most important. The player has no reason to stop flopping then. It’s more about controlling the physicality of the game. The refs award most flops because it’s “safer” than a no-call which could escalate to more physical plays. Now the player is held responsible and the ref can focus on just officiating rather than discerning actors.

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