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Monday, November 12th, 2012 at 7:35 am  |  155 responses

Los Angeles Lakers Choose Mike D’Antoni Over Phil Jackson


by Marcel Mutoni@marcel_mutoni

Most Laker fans too busy chanting “We want Phil!” to notice Mike D’Antoni’s claim that he would be the perfect fit in Los Angeles, as everyone quite reasonably assumed the Lakers were about to hire Phil Jackson for a third time.

Whoops!

After Jackson’s demands were deemed a little too much by the front-office, Mike D’Antoni has signed a mulit-year contract with the Lakeshow. The deal will reportedly pay D’Antoni $12 million in three guaranteed seasons, and includes a team option for the fourth.

Per the team website:

Lakers spokesman John Black confirmed on Sunday night that the team has signed Mike D’Antoni to a multi-year contract. The team is expected to have a press conference to announce the deal most likely on Tuesday or Wednesday of the coming week. According to Black, Lakers owner Dr. Jerry Buss, executive vice president Jim Buss and general manager Mitch Kupchak were unanimous that D’Antoni was the best coach for the team at this time. Kobe Bryant and Steve Nash both expressed support for the idea of playing for D’Antoni, who was Nash’s coach in Phoenix when the point guard won consecutive MVP awards in 2005 and 2006.

“After speaking with several excellent and well-respected coaching candidates, Dr. Buss, Jim and I all agreed that Mike was the right person at this time to lead the Lakers forward,” said GM Mitch Kupchak. “Knowing his style of play and given the current make-up of our roster, we feel Mike is a great fit, are excited to have him as our next head coach and hope he will help our team reach its full potential.”

In addition to Phil Jackson’s steep demands — a salary in the $10 million/year range, reduced travel for road games, more say in personnel decisions — the Lakers apparently felt that the Triangle Offense wouldn’t be the best way to maximize a roster featuring Steve Nash and Dwight Howard, after the team struggled to adapt to the Princeton Offense.

So, shockingly, here comes Mike D’Antoni and his Seven Seconds or Less attack.

Let it never be said that the Los Angeles Lakers are a predictable organization.

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  • Zhamu

    Well, this is surprising. My confidential source in Finland already told me they’re gonna sign the Zen Master.

  • mcruz7

    whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?????

  • Feez_22

    PRINGLES!

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Pringles_chips.JPG/250px-Pringles_chips.JPG

    He may not have been to the finals yet but we all should know by now that he’s clearly about them Chips…

  • Deedre

    The Lakers don’t even need a coach if they play like they did the last few games. Not until the playoffs….

  • bringbackthesonics

    the only reason they signed him is they think he can bring a trophy this year but when he doesn’t they’ll regret not signing phil

  • robb

    Sh*t…

  • ends1

    Travashamockery

  • Bravo

    Damn looks like they gonna run n gun things now

  • danpowers

    poor lala-land

  • Haha

    Hahaha that’s in Finland………it’s always a lie…………when You here it’s no lie no lie no lie.

  • zogs19994

    YOU HIRED THIS GUY…..OVER PHIL JACKSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • GeeCyrous

    It’s Pick and Roll time in LA LA land.
    I would’ve preferred Zen MAster but I think D’Antoni will do just fine.

  • windsurfer-sp

    It will be interesting, if he simply plays according to the pieces he has and utilises them well, there must surely be hope.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    D’Antoni’s offense suits Steve Nash perfectly. The triangle doesn’t really fit with a traditional PG. They went with the best coach for the offense they need to run given the roster they have. Defensively, there isn’t a coach who can make Steve Nash any better at this point in his career. Dwight will do what he does. Kobe, Pau and Metta will do the best they can. They had to go with a coach who can do the best job with them offensively. D’Antoni was that guy.

  • http://twitter.com/stepfdelaghetto Stepfan Raiford

    Mike D’Antoni, another coach/basketball philosophy that Kobe won’t respect. Mike got this job because Steve Nash was the odd man out in Mike Brown’s Princeton offense. With D’Antoni run and gun style Steve will fit right at home. A lot of catch and shoot for Kobe which I don’t think he’s comfortable with. Kobe’s one on one offense is great but in order for this system to work Steve Nash needs the ball in his hands. Pau, Dwight, and Nash all will thrive but now Kobe is the odd man out in the offense. Bernie Bickerstaff, best Interim Head Coach of all time will be missed.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    If they don’t get to the Finals, this will end up being a bad hire and Jim Buss will have made yet another bad decision since taking over for his father.

  • JML-G

    am i the only one who thinks if when Amare gets back, he cant fit in with Knicks like they (and me too) wish he can, a trade Pau-Amare could happen!?

  • SirGrey

    Why if Dwight is gonna do what Amare did and Pau is more versatile ?

  • The Seed

    Why, Why, Why, Why, Somebody please tell me this a cruel joke by Jim Buss. Its a reason the Knicks are a better team right now.

  • Perry the PlatyPteranodon

    Actually I think Kobe has a lot of respect for D’Antoni, and would buy into D’Antonis system. I believe he was Kobes favourite player growing up in Italy.

  • elmaar

    No doubt Phil would’ve been a safer bet, but D’Antoni possesses many qualities as a coach.
    In 2007 if not for the Stoudemire suspension against the Spurs the Suns would’ve took the chip home.

  • http://twitter.com/stepfdelaghetto Stepfan Raiford

    D’Antoni over Phil was a terrible decision..

    1.With D’Antoni defense is optional.

    2. If D’Antoni couldn’t handle the big stage in NY…why would he all of a sudden be able to handle it in LA?

    3. If they fired Mike Brown for not being able to get this team to a
    championship level, why in the hell would you hire a less proven guy?

    4. D’antoni’s offense is good when it’s spread with 3point shooters. Last I
    checked LA is a mediocre 3 point team with two 7 footers in the lane, and a three point specialist in Jodie Meeks who gets no burn. (When did MWP get the green light to shoot so many 3′s? 32% from trey land)

    5. If you’re trying to convince Dwight Howard to stay…hiring a guy less proven than Mike Brown and Stan Van Gundy will keep him?

  • spit hot fiyah

    the funny thing here is that under brown they actually pretty good offensively (numbers wise) and terrible defensively

  • Fat Lever

    So they are going to try and implement a SSOL offense with a 38 YO PG, a 2 guard who, including the playoffs has played in 19+ seasons, a somewhat plodding PF, and a C with a bad back. I’ve got to to see how this turns out.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this was the best choice for their team.

  • http://www.facebook.com/canyoufinddoublej Joey Nelson

    Kobe is going to average 40 this season.

  • surety

    The fact is that Phil has always burned bridges with front office throughout his entire career. The Laker FO no doubt felt that they were getting a shakedown from Phil. Huge salary, limited travel, completely new coaching staff, wants power in FO roles and they don’t even really like him. Plus he didn’t really leave gracefully either, having been swept by the Mavs in 2011.

  • daBIZ

    He also won 11 NBA championships.

  • shockexchange

    L.A. fired Mike Brown after 5 games to hire a castoff from the Knicks? That’s who they were in such a hurry to hire? It’s clear that L.A. spoke to Phil Jackson before pulling the trigger on Brown. Then they botched the negotiations. It’s clear to the Shock Exchange, D12′s agent and the rest of the L that the L.A. mystique is simply that. This is nothing more than a Mickey Mouse organization that has benefited from having “exceptionally more talent” than the rest of the L. Had Shaq never sought the synergy of playing ball and making movies in L.A., there would be no L.A. mystique.

  • justin05

    1. Dwight Howard is the best defensive player in the league so we aren’t hopeless on that end of the floor. Howard >>> Stoudemire on D believe that.

    2. NY is not the team the Lakers are. They didn’t have Nash either.

    3.Less proven? Why, because Mike didn’t have Lebron on his team?

    4. This is your one point that makes the most sense, I think Kobe can step up on the 3s but we will have to bring bodies in a little if we want to be efficient. Gasol and Jamison can hit the 20 ft jumper very nicely. Artest should save his energy for D and pounding the ball in the paint.

    5. This comment is irrelevent. Dwight is staying., especially w/ D’Antoni as the coach. 30 points a game every night.

  • justin05

    For real. If the Lakers trade Gasol for Amare then they better get Shumpert in w/ the deal.

  • justin05

    Agreed. Especially when Phil was making those other demands..

  • http://www.facebook.com/jay.brodes Jay Brodes

    i am all for uptempoing the offense but i hope this does not kill kobe in may/june! no defense. i like showtime coming back but no bench and little shooting..i hope this works!!! always wanted to see mamba in an uptempo offense!

  • justin05

    And to respond to your original “thesis” statement…D’Antoni over Phil was not a horrible decision..If anything, it was a much more well thought out hiring than Mike Brown a season ago.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i would not have had any issue with Phil, obviously he’s the greatest coach of all-time. But i assume D’Antoni is the coach who can get the most out of their personnel. — Check out this stat, When Steve Nash and Mike D’Antoni were together from 2004-08, the Suns led the NBA in PPG, FG%, and Ast-TO ratio

  • BuenoWayno1

    the clippers approve of this move…

  • justin05

    Yeah D’Antoni can get the most out of their current roster and he can definately get more for less equity/money. The Lakers are already paying Brown 8 mil over the next 2 years so they can’t just keep spending money. It was a little sudden but we have a a home stretch that we need to do well in and Mike wanted the job. Spurs will be a great test for my team tomorrow too, any word on Nash’s return?

  • roscoe

    The $64 question is “will pringles’ offense work in d’grind style of d’playoffs w/ this group?”

  • roscoe

    do you still believe in santa 2?

  • roscoe

    & poor ny, woodson is melo’s puppet. nothing more; nothing less. lol.

  • LeroyShonuff

    I don’t think the Lakers D will be that bad, but their bench will absolutely be HORRIBLE!!! Mike already has a known history for his dis-stain of Jordan Hill, plus his historically position of not using his bench at all!!!!! Let’s not forget what he did in phoenix. The suns signed Marcus Banks to be the defensive back up pg with Boris having ball handling responsibilities, and he benched Marcus, Upped Nash mins and never played Jalen Rose. He wears his players out. How he manages the bench will be a the biggest level of concern for the Lakers going forward

  • http://twitter.com/niQknacks niQ

    Lol I knew it! Called this after the Lakers’ first game.. haha. But to be honest, this cannot be any worse than Mike Brown. SSOL with Nash and Dwight could be interesting.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    still a week or more out i would assume. he might make his return the same day D’Antoni makes his debut

  • Comment_System

    lol @ less proven than mike brown.

  • Comment_System

    He won’t fit in, but the lakers arent dumb enough to pull that trade. I hope Amar’e does get traded though.

  • Comment_System

    Please google any comments kobe has ever had about mike d’antoni.

  • JackPackage

    In other word’s: The Lakers opted to utilise D’Antoni’s uptempo system with an ancient PG/SG combo, a reckless SF, a lumbering PF and a C with a bad back and no offensive game to speak of and no passing skills, rather than trying to run the triangle with: a small, weak, PG who can’t defend and a C that has the IQ of a bag of rocks. I have to say, they probably made the right decision, considering the skill set/experience Nash has with D’Antoni’s style.

  • parsonsonson

    like ur optimism laker fan but the pieces are limited

  • pposse

    so let me get this straight..the lakers are cool with paying over like 60 million dollars on the luxury cap, but do not want to pay the greatest coach of all time 10-15 mill per year?! haha this world is twisted. Dwight would flourish more in the triangle than in some ssol nonsense. This only proves that Dwight is not a back to the basket post ball player, he is limited to pick and rolls and will forever suck balls when compared to the elite of the elite great centers from the past. Phil Jackson and Tex Winters could have changed that, but no, good luck LA LA land haha yall jagged hard!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    *dies laughing*

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no team is ever trading for Amar’e. Just know that.

  • pposse

    Given the roster they have, they should be running the triangle. Everyone but Steve Nash fits well for the triangle. Dwight just needs to man up and become more of a back to the basket type of ball player the way shaq was. Kobe does damage on the post, with turn around/fadeway jump shots. Artest is wider/stronger than every other SF in the game besides bron bron (giving him advtanages in the post), Gasol is a wizard in the post. And btw Nash can hit open jumpers on the reg. Phil Jackson all but guaranteed these guys a championship. Dantoni, not so much. How did his offense work with an aging Knicks team? Comparing stats from 08 and before is a lot different than 2012, 4 years passed, plus Nash doesnt have the same trainers he had in PHX.

  • justin05

    The Lakers won’t. If NY trades him before the deadline they should get some kind of equity back but they should just amnesty him next season if the Knicks don’t make it to the ecf

  • justin05

    The Lakers won’t. If NY trades him before the deadline they should get some kind of equity back but they should just amnesty him next season if the Knicks don’t make it to the ecf

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the Knicks can’t trade Amar’e, he is not insured, nobody will take that risk.
    .
    the Knicks used their amnesty on Chauncey Billups. As i’ve been saying for over a year, the Knicks are who the Knicks are for the next 3 years.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the Knicks can’t trade Amar’e, he is not insured, nobody will take that risk.
    .
    the Knicks used their amnesty on Chauncey Billups. As i’ve been saying for over a year, the Knicks are who the Knicks are for the next 3 years.

  • RunNGun

    Sweet! Buss bringin’ that RunNGun and the Pringles Man to the Lakeshow! LOL

  • RunNGun

    Sweet! Buss bringin’ that RunNGun and the Pringles Man to the Lakeshow! LOL

  • Manos G

    I think that they sould have chosen Jerry Sloan. A great Pick n Roll coach for two of the best PnR guys in the NBA (Nash, Howard).

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    This offense needs to fit Steve Nash more than anyone else since he’s the PG and will be running the show. He’s not a spot up shooter. He needs the ball. They shouldn’t have traded for him if they wanted him to play differently at this point in his career. D’Antoni’s offense wasn’t bad with Amar’e and the role players around him before the Melo trade. If they had traded for Deron Williams instead of Melo like D’Antoni wanted, that offense would have been even better and that team would have been better. So that’s not on him. If they want Nash to pass and stand in a corner or just take jumpshots, they might as well get Derek Fisher back and start him.

  • patrick

    The Jackson thing was a smokescreen..it would have been so embarrassing to see when they finish their possible mediocre season..dantoni is less embarrasing..he was hte front -runner all along imo

  • danpowers

    poor ny? his record is 22-6 so far as a knicks coach. could be worse ;)

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Dwight…30 points a night? With the other 4 players in that starting lineup? That makes absolutely no sense. If you think someone playing with Kobe Bryant will average more points than he will, you are badly mistaken. D’Antoni did great with the regular season. Never got to the Finals. Mike Brown did great in the regular season. Actually got to the Finals with less talent than those great regular season Suns teams. Mike Brown actually won more regular season games in one season than D’Antoni ever did. So yes, D’Antoni has done less than Mike Brown has. Dwight won’t erase everything on defense. We thought Tyson Chandler was going to erase everything for D’Antoni last season and how did that work out? Dwight is a better defender than Chandler, but not one man will be able to make that team a good defensive team as long as they have a coach who won’t say a word about defense for weeks.

  • LakeShow

    Time for some fun germs.

  • Stephen A. Smith

    Completely and utterly disgusted with the Lakers front office, you take a guy like Mike D’Antoni who’s a proven winner in the regular season and a no show in the playoffs over a guy like Phil Jackson who is the greatest coach in the history of sports, a man who has 11 NBA championships, a man who helped the two greatest players get championships, helped Jordan get 6 and Kobe 5. This has to be a joke, you always go with the obvious choice, the champion, D’Antoni had a good team last year with Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemire and couldn’t get it done, couldn’t withstand the pressure of the Big Apple, what makes the Lakers front office think he can withstand the pressure in La La Land? Defense does not exist in D’Antoni’s vocabulary and they didn’t have offensive struggles under Mike Brown, the flaw that needed to be addressed was defense and the Lakers did not do that. The only man that can fix the problems that are happening with the Lakers is Phil Jackson, sure the Lakers are most likely going to win 50+ games under D’Antoni but he can’t win them a chip with that defense that he does not preach. This team was built to win now, not 2 or 3 years from now, Phil Jackson could have won for you right now. Lakers organization isn’t what it used to be and quiet frankly it’s a travesty, if Phil Jackson wants to coach your team and is willing to accept the deal than you accept it and hire him! Multiple sources said that Phil was going to miss away games, not true at all according to his agent he wasn’t going to miss any more games than he had previously with the Lakers. Jim Buss doesn’t need to be in charge in decisions of this magnitude in fact he shouldn’t be in charge at all, relieve him of his duties. Big mistake by the Lakers front office and they’ll regret the decision when it comes playoff time, but who knows maybe if the Lakers lose their first 5 games with D’Antoni maybe they’ll fire him and get the Zen Master, let’s hope so.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    - have you even considered that the Lakers need time to adjust to the triangle? all of that thought spent without considering that? i get that you want to win now, but adding Phil Jackson to put his system in with Dwight Howard and Steve Nash would have needed a training camp or some time to get organized. So you can chalk up the Lakers chances at winning a championship THIS season with Phil Jackson at just as even as they are with D’Antoni.

    .

    You can ignore the LUCK that it takes to win a championship since it fits your argument but you can’t really try and justify your point without it. The fact remains, the D’Antoni led suns experienced a phenomenal amount of bad luck, and if it experienced the opposite, (good luck) and the Suns won a title (at least 2 of those teams were good enough to get lucky) the vast majority of your whole argument would be rendered irrelevant.

    .

    Phil Jackson’s greatest skill as a coach is in his motivational, and player relations skills. This team doesn’t need motivation (there is no bored Michael Jordan, or a bored Shaq on this roster to motivate) and his ability to speak to his players and make them happy, is pretty comparable to D’Antoni’s — that is, if you have an objective view of D’Antoni’s time as a coach.

    .

    Regarding the Knicks that D’Antoni couldn’t figure out, lets express that those Knicks didn’t have Steve Nash. And featured a roster “problem” where the two best scorers thrive playing the same position. — That problem is not evident with the Lakers.

    .

    And lastly, you keep harping on defense, do you know anything about the teams D’Antoni has coached? The majority of them finished middle of the pack in defense (giving up a lot of points is not bad defense, you know, considering pace). Now he has Dwight Howard, who, if you have been paying attention the last few years, turns a team full of bad defenders into elite defenses – http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2011.html – so the whole “D’Antoni doesn’t focus of Defense, this is a mistake!!” cries are way way off-base.

    .
    So it comes down to this, does Phil Jackson’s propensity for winning, and likely ability to turn the Lakers into the favorites NEXT season, outweigh the benefit of having Mike D’Antoni build a (presumably) incredible strong offense around Dwight Howard that will last into the future, all while getting the most production as possible out of the veterans in the meantime? (which, with some luck, will also yield a few championships.

  • RedRum

    I agree with the majority of people regarding Mike over Phil… However… are we about to see Showtime 2.0? Mike never such an offensively charged team, even at the good Suns times, and still he narrowly was beaten by SA. I say lets all start calm the bleap down making bold predictions how bad they will be and see what happens. If anything, we are about to see some of the best ball ever.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    It wouldn’t have to be much to be more well thought out than that Mike Brown hiring.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you know damn well Mike Brown didn’t coach a single game in Cleveland. — and you do realize those Suns defenses were middle of the pack, with Nash and Stoudemire playing 35+ minutes? It’s safe to assume the Lakers defense will be top 10, at worst. (and those Knicks were 6th in Defense while D’Antoni was the coach bruh, Chandler did erase basically everything).

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Steve Nash is almost 39 years old and has a bad back…it won’t be as exciting as some people think it will be. Kobe isn’t 26 anymore. The only player capable of running for an extended period of time will be Dwight Howard when he gets back to 100%.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no reason to believe they would have done better with Jackson THIS season then they will with D’Antoni. The Triangle is not simple. Not even a little. And Dwight is not a genius. Not even a little.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    If he didn’t coach a game in Cleveland and the implication is that LeBron was really in control of that team, then wouldn’t that also mean that Kobe was really in control of this team during his tenure? If that’s the case, then the problem wouldn’t be Mike Brown, it would be Kobe. And if Mike D’Antoni is at best on the same level as Mike Brown (which he is in my opinion since he’s great at offense, bad on defense and Brown is great on defense, bad on offense) and we saw how thrilled Kobe was with Brown in Utah last week, then why would anyone believe that he will be happy with D’Antoni long term?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Jerry Sloan is a great FLEX offense coach. Not Pick and Roll. — The best pick and roll coach in the history of coaching is Mike D’Antoni.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    I think they would have been better in the postseason with Jackson. On talent alone, they would be fine during the regular season. Kobe could help implement the triangle if that’s what Phil would want to do. My guess is Phil and Kobe along with any other former Bull or Laker could teach it better than Eddie Jordan taught the Princeton offense.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you do realize the Lakers defense got worse after Phil Jackson left right? Mike Brown’s reputation is just a reputation. It’s not some kind of fact. The defense was bad under Mike Brown. BAD.
    .
    Uhm, Mike D’Antoni is Kobe’s idol. Kobe already respects him more than he ever would have with Mike Brown. — And this is now Steve Nash’s team in terms of what they do on offense, Kobe has been forced out of the dictators seat….if he was in it (he did ask for the Princeton offense, so I do assume he is the one who was at least the biggest voice other than Brown in calling the shots).
    .
    I did not support firing Mike Brown this quickly. But I also didn’t support hiring him in the first place. — However, Mike D’Antoni was the obvious replacement. he’s a very very very good coach, with personnel that fits his system perfectly.
    .

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Melo and Stoudemire aren’t a great fit on the offensive side of the floor regardless of who’s coaching them. Jim Buss has been incompetent up until this point, but if he wants to help the offense, D’Antoni is the right guy.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    I know about the Italy connection with Kobe and D’Antoni and the fact that he has been an assistant on the past 2 Olympic squads, but other than that, his record doesn’t really warrant any kind of serious respect from a guy who’s just about winning championships now since Mike has never been to the Finals.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    how well they teach it is irrelevant. It’s about how well Dwight learns it. — and how well they implement Nash inside of it.
    .
    Knowing what I do about the triangle, i know they would not have adjusted it at all to fit the players on the roster, because if they did, it would take away the whole concept of the triangle. — So Nash would have been an average PG (who is an above average shooter and way below average defender) with Jackson. Guaranteed. Dwight would have been confused, and presumably frustrated, if not completely unhappy. Which would not have bowed well for this season/playoffs. — The idea that Phil Jackson is the zen master and can make any situation work is fun and all, but it isn’t really believable. He has never taken a recently constructed team and won a title. He always joins on after the players have been together. He doesn’t create championship teams from scratch. He molds them out of a foundation.
    .
    Phil Jackson has never won a championship without a full training camp + season with his roster. Even after adding Pau Gasol, it took the Lakers a year.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    NBA players aren’t dumbass media members. They know you can know and be a respected coach without actually winning a title. — Kobe knows D’Antoni’s history. D’Antoni has been a wildly successful coach at every level. Kobe knows success in the NBA relies on Luck. And he has been beat, with Phil coaching him, by D’Antoni and Nash. Twice. — Probably would be smart to respect that.

  • Stephen A. Smith

    Are you kidding me? Are you even being serious right now?
    You’re trying to tell me that D’Antoni has just a good of a chance of winning a
    championship with this team as Phil Jackson? If you believe that, you need to
    be tested, immediately. Don’t even try bringing in luck as a reason for the
    Suns not winning the championship, the Spurs were a better team and the Suns
    lost that series because they weren’t better than the Spurs and that’s a fact,
    plain and simple. Than you talk about defense, just because Dwight Howard can
    play defense that doesn’t mean it reflects on the rest of the team, sure Kobe’s
    a good defender and MWP can still play defense but not like how he used to. The
    rest of the teams’ defense is horrific you have Steve Blake who shouldn’t even
    be on the Lakers yet alone in the NBA, and then you have Antawn Jamison who’s
    never played a lick of defense in his career. Bottom line is D’Antoni cannot
    fix these defense and don’t even try making an argument in his favor, like you
    said his team finished in the middle of the pack in defense, well get this with
    Phil Jackson there since Gasol’s arrival they finished in the top 6 every year
    - http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2008.html – To answer your
    question, IF Phil Jackson were to have been hired the Lakers would have been
    favorites this season as well as next, believe me you think Nash and Howard
    would have problem learning the triangle, it would take a maximum of 10 games
    for them to get a good grip on it, Steve Nash is one of the smartest PG’s ever
    it wouldn’t be a problem for him. This type of offense doesn’t win championships,
    it never has. All great teams win because of their defense, period, defense
    wins championships. Phil Jackson is the only fit for this team, and the Lakers
    front office made a big mistake today in hiring D’Antoni, you never turn down
    the man who is a proven winner and the winnigest coach in NBA history.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    .i did say THIS season.
    .Do you know anything about the triangle?
    .Dwight Howard?
    .Steve Nash?
    .And, most importantly, the FACT that, in Phil Jackson’s history as a head coach he has never won a championship with a newly built roster on the first try?

  • Stephen A. Smith

    Are you kidding me? Are you even being serious right now?
    You’re trying to tell me that D’Antoni has just a good of a chance of winning a
    championship with this team as Phil Jackson? If you believe that, you need to
    be tested, immediately. Don’t even try bringing in luck as a reason for the
    Suns not winning the championship, the Spurs were a better team and the Suns
    lost that series because they weren’t better than the Spurs and that’s a fact,
    plain and simple. Than you talk about defense, just because Dwight Howard can
    play defense that doesn’t mean it reflects on the rest of the team, sure Kobe’s
    a good defender and MWP can still play defense but not like how he used to. The
    rest of the teams’ defense is horrific you have Steve Blake who shouldn’t even
    be on the Lakers yet alone in the NBA, and then you have Antawn Jamison who’s
    never played a lick of defense in his career. Bottom line is D’Antoni cannot
    fix these defense and don’t even try making an argument in his favor, like you
    said his team finished in the middle of the pack in defense, well get this with
    Phil Jackson there since Gasol’s arrival they finished in the top 6 every year
    - http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2008.html – To answer your
    question, IF Phil Jackson were to have been hired the Lakers would have been
    favorites this season as well as next, believe me you think Nash and Howard
    would have problem learning the triangle, it would take a maximum of 10 games
    for them to get a good grip on it, Steve Nash is one of the smartest PG’s ever
    it wouldn’t be a problem for him. This type of offense doesn’t win championships,
    it never has. All great teams win because of their defense, period, defense
    wins championships. Phil Jackson is the only fit for this team, and the Lakers
    front office made a big mistake today in hiring D’Antoni, you never turn down
    the man who is a proven winner and the winnigest coach in NBA history!

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Look at the players he played with when he lost to Nash and D’Antoni. And in 06, he should have won that series after being up 3-1. That was more about him and his team than it was about the Suns.

  • Stephen A. Smith

    Are you kidding me? Are you even being serious right now?
    You’re trying to tell me that D’Antoni has just a good of a chance of winning a
    championship with this team as Phil Jackson? If you believe that, you need to
    be tested, immediately. Don’t even try bringing in luck as a reason for the
    Suns not winning the championship, the Spurs were a better team and the Suns
    lost that series because they weren’t better than the Spurs and that’s a fact,
    plain and simple. Than you talk about defense, just because Dwight Howard can
    play defense that doesn’t mean it reflects on the rest of the team, sure Kobe’s
    a good defender and MWP can still play defense but not like how he used to. The
    rest of the teams’ defense is horrific you have Steve Blake who shouldn’t even
    be on the Lakers yet alone in the NBA, and then you have Antawn Jamison who’s
    never played a lick of defense in his career. Bottom line is D’Antoni cannot
    fix these defense and don’t even try making an argument in his favor, like you
    said his team finished in the middle of the pack in defense, well get this with
    Phil Jackson there since Gasol’s arrival they finished in the top 6 every year
    - http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2008.html – To answer your
    question, IF Phil Jackson were to have been hired the Lakers would have been
    favorites this season as well as next, believe me you think Nash and Howard
    would have problem learning the triangle, it would take a maximum of 10 games
    for them to get a good grip on it, Steve Nash is one of the smartest PG’s ever
    it wouldn’t be a problem for him. This type of offense doesn’t win championships,
    it never has. All great teams win because of their defense, period, defense
    wins championships. Phil Jackson is the only fit for this team, and the Lakers
    front office made a big mistake today in hiring D’Antoni, you never turn down
    the man who is a proven winner and the winnigest coach in NBA history.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    He respects D’Antoni. This EVERYONE knows. idk why i’m even trying to come up with a defense. however many reason i give you you are going to keep arguing, even though we both KNOW that Bryant respects D’Antoni more than he did Brown.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this

  • Stephen A. Smith

    You said “So it comes down to this, does Phil Jackson’s propensity for winning,
    and likely ability to turn the Lakers into the favorites NEXT season”. Yes I do know about the triangle, and as far as I remember Shaquille O’Neal thrived in the triangle and won an MVP award and 3 Finals MVPs. Dwight can develop a post up game and both he and Nash could adjust to the triangle no problem, and the FACT that, Phil Jackson has never had a team this accomplished in his career, he’s never had 5 all stars in his starting 5 and 1 off the bench, so don’t say he wouldn’t be able to do it on his first try, I believe that he could because this team has the talent to do so.

  • Junior Taylor

    So how does this help the Lakers? They basically hired the exact same coach with different philosophies. MBrown excelled defensively but struggled offensively, Antoni excels offensively but struggles defensively.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    2004 seems to directly oppose that theory.

  • Stephen A. Smith

    You’re really trying to compare the 04 team? Really? They had Karl Malone who was 40 years old at the time and wasn’t playing at the level that Nash is playing with now and you had Gary Payton who was 35 and way past his prime and wasn’t playing at the level Nash is playing with now. No way in your right mind should you have made such a comparison.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Oh so you know what level Nash will play at in the triangle, and totally ignore defense altogether (considering the gaping difference between Nash and Payton defensively)? I must not be in my right mind, definitely. .
    Or you could be completely wrong. Evidence, ALL OF IT, says Phil Jackson wouldn’t have won a title this year

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange was hoping L.A. would bring back Phil, partly because the Laker Nation was pining for him. Secondly, it will remove any excuses Lakers stans will have when they don’t take the cake this year.

  • Stephen A. Smith

    You’re really trying to tell me that Phil Jackson wouldn’t have been able to lead this team to a title? You need to be tested immediately, get off Slam.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I never even insinuated that.

  • Stephen A. Smith

    You said “Phil Jackson wouldn’t have won a title this year” he would have lead them to a title this year. There’s no way you’re going to convince me that D’Antoni should have been hired over Phil Jackson, no way.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I said based on his history as a coach that he wouldn’t win a title.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    and that’s fine that i won’t convince you. but i want you and everyone (for some weird personal reason idk) to realize that it shouldn’t be a surprise if D’Antoni does win. It’s not like I’m saying Phil Jackson wouldn’t have been a great choice. The team is good enough, they could have won a title with Mike Brown idk, I just think D’Antoni meshes better with the current Lakers Roster/Situation for various reasons
    .No training Camp
    .Short amount of time to make things work with Nash & Kobe w/ an EXPIRING Dwight Howard
    .Paper thin bench (which features nobodies in Jackson’s system, that would contribute in D’Antoni’s — Chris Duhon being a glaring example)
    .Steve Nash – who, despite everything you keep saying, would have been pedestrian in the triangle, and an overall defensive liability. Creating for other’s off the dribble is not a featured aspect of the triangle. It’s not like an adjustable offense that you can tweak to feature different types of players, it is like the Princeton offense in that it has a strict construct that cannot be amended without disregarding the entire concept of the system.
    So, fine, you believe Jackson is better for the Lakers, but it is not some kind of glaring mistake. There is a clear, logic based argument for Mike D’Antoni, just like there is for Jackson. The rest depends on the preferences of management.
    .
    Let’s also express, Jackson definitely made some sort of demands to the Lakers, he could have made those demands in anticipation of negotiation, while the Lakers took them as too much of a hastle at this point, and decided just not to deal with it, for the minimal benefit Jackson would provide in his what 3-4 years left in coaching AT MOST?

  • LakeShow

    Because Dwight is a good defensive team.

  • LakeShow

    Imagine if you replace Dwight with Amare in PHX. Maybe a different outcome right?…

  • LakeShow

    Tell Kobe’s game he isn’t 26 anymore.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Except Mike Brown didn’t excel defensively…..

  • Chukaz

    This was a bad hire. Here’s why: On D’Antoni’s best season, he led Nash, Stat, Marion, and Diaw to the WCF. On Alvin Gentry’s best season, he led Nash, State, J-Rich and Grant Hills corps to the WCF. Gentry would never get the Laker head coaching job, so why is D’Antoni?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    come on bruh

  • LakeShow

    Come on bruh

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he put up 81 when he was 26. stop trolling.

  • LakeShow

    Agreed.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    read this argument, tell me, without your Lakers goggles, if i do or don’t make sense?

  • LakeShow

    When you think Mike D’Antoni you think “cast off from the Knicks” ??? LOL…
    Dude is a phenomenal coach.

  • LakeShow

    Seriously what’s with these people?
    They only remember last season and nothing else?? lol, whateva.

  • LakeShow

    Co-Sign this.

  • LakeShow

    Seed calm your self. This is a good sign. Phil was a being a little girl with his demands. D’Antoni will at least make them fun to watch.

  • Rainman

    Why does it have to be SSOL?

    Did miek try to rub SSOL in New York? or simply just a fast paced offence that pushed the ball off of misses when possible (which is what ANY team that has steve Nash should do, regardless of his age the man averaged near 11 assists last year…)

    I dont see Offence as an issue with this team…

  • LakeShow

    You know what i’m saying. Dudes on fire and ballin to start this season. Most players WISH they could do what Kobe is doing at 34 at 26.

  • pposse

    nash was in his prime then. He just fractured his leg and is 38 yrs old. Get with the times maang its about to be 2013.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well that’s legit. Kobe is still one of the best players on earth in his 17th season in the NBA. that sh*t cray. But he isn’t no 26 year old Kobe anymore. Not that monster. Wish he was tho.

  • LakeShow

    I took the goggles off last night, i’m straight man.
    It makes sense dude. I really don’t understand everyone hating on this. Phil was being a diva. He might be the greatest coach ever, but that doesn’t warrant crazy demands and such. D’Antoni is the best fit for this job I truly do believe that.

  • LakeShow

    I know I know, I just get tired of acting like Kobe’s dead. The dude is playing top 5 easily in the NBA right now.

  • Junior Taylor

    You can’t use a small sample (5 games) as a way to judge someone’s abilities. Everyone knows that the only reason why Brown even got a HC job in the NBA in the 1st place was because of his so-called defensive acumen. I have always felt that dude was overrated defensively dating all the way back to his Cavs days but he is still among the better defensive coaches in the L.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL according to most people, Nash was past his prime then, until they saw he wasn’t. And his fracture is a small hairline fracture that takes 2-4 weeks to heal, typically. It’s not a big deal.
    .
    Oh, and Nash is with a way way way way way way way better supporting cast now than he was from 2004-08 —— you do the math.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i can’t really argue with that.

  • Junior Taylor

    Lake, you do know that Kobe had a eerily similar “hot” start during the first 5-8 games last season.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well this is about to be an unorthodox season for both of us. Everytime the Lakers struggle (which they might do until everyone is in Mike D’Antoni shape) people are gonna say “i told you so” everytime they lose. and it’s going to get even worse if they don’t win a title, despite them not being favorites no matter what.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m not. he did coach the Lakers last season. And they regressed, significantly on the defensive end from the last year of Phil Jackson. And they were COMPLETELY healthy last year. So…….., he didn’t excel defensively. And as you originally felt, he’s an overrated defensive (and overall) coach.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah, but you think he fell way off for the rest of the year, I don’t. The offense was dumb and didn’t allow Kobe in the post. He had a great year by shooting guard standards just not by Kobe’s standards. His FG% was the only thing you can complain about. He had a great season by 90% of players standards.

  • j

    if they cant get the princeton offense right, how much more complicated is the triangle…

  • j

    lakers bench sucks. not deep enough

  • j

    dont forget magic, kareem, wilt, worthy…its not just shaq

  • Stephen A. Smith

    Phil Jackson should be able to demand whatever he wants he has 11 NBA championships he’s the greatest coach ever. D’Antoni isn’t the right fit, trust me.
    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke-lakers-dantoni-20121112,0,2305319.column

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Just like I’m not changing your personal opinion. Plaschke isn’t going to change mine.

  • nbk should be in the nba

    Ya totally, you should be playing instead of Dwight.

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange hasn’t forgotten about those guys, However, when Lakers fans talk about the “Lakers mystique” and how winning titles is expected, they are referring to the Kareem era, Shaq era and Paul Gasol/Andrew Bynum at the same ____ time era. Take away the “gifts” L.A. received in Shaq and Gasol and (i) they would not have won a title since the Kareem era and (ii) all that mouth about “winning titles is expected” would be out the window.

  • shockexchange

    He’s “phenomenal” relative to whom? He has never led a team to the finals. Mike Brown led the Cavaliers to the finals with effectively “LeBron and the Pips.” Despite the lemmings on here who blindly hate on Mike Brown, D’Antoni’s coaching resume is good, but Brown’s is better.

  • LakeShow

    lol, but if you can actually distinguish real life from paper statistics you would realize Mike Brown is a terrible coach despite “his accomplishments.”

  • shockexchange

    You’re right guy. When thinking of the Shock Exchange, the first thing that comes to everybody’s mind is “someone who cannot distinguish real life from paper statistics.”

  • justin05

    Bazinga!

  • justin05

    Okay bamn. I would never waste that many characters (or time) on something so unimportant, let alone read your full comment.. My Dwight scoring 30 comment was out of fun, I believe he is going to stay because he has a definitive role in D’Antoni’s system I do think he could aveage 25+ points a game. There will numerous 30 point games this season for Dwight, especially if he improves his free throw shooting. Piss off..

  • LakeShow

    Yes, Shaq is what has made the LA Lakers a great organization.
    LMAO
    Your a hoot.

  • justin05

    Your comments keep becoming more and more thin lol. What a surprise! Must be nothing left to over-analyze.

  • justin05

    You have way too much time on your hands. bamn…do you own a basketball hoop? Next time you want to get on SLAM I would suggest that you actually pick a basketball up and go play. Hell, even learn to dribble well if you don’t have a hoop. You can relate to players and the game on some level that way. D’Antoni is an obvious pick. Idk where that guy came up w/ horrible decision but I guess everyone talks out of their ass a little more than bamn. Nerd city. Should start using the word geek on you, however.

  • justin05

    You suck j..you suck. The Lakers bench happens to be one of the least productive in the NBA but they don’t suck. You do. Remember? I agree that their bench is not deep, Meeks and Jamison have been disappointing and our current point guard depth is the worst in the league.

  • roscoe

    bitter sweetness… laker hater confirmed… lol.

  • roscoe

    titles brother… titles… is all that matters. come now rethink that woodson praise.

  • shockexchange

    Quite the contrary. Kareem is the Shock Exchange’s favorite player of all time. I’ve followed Worthy’s career ever since he was a freshman at Carolina. And guess what the Shock Exchange’s nickname was in HS … “Silk” after Jamaal Wilkes.

  • roscoe

    all of this is unreliable info… i don’t buy it.

  • roscoe

    as a LAL fan LakeShow, you have to agree, the t-angle was not effective in pjax last season. ik the 3 finals runs tears a team down, but the t-angle code was cracked by DAL & others imo. once the blue print to bust the t-angle exist it could be awhile b4 it is effective again.

  • pposse

    first week without PHX training staff he gets a hairline fracture.the odds dont look to be in his favor. A gradual decline from greatness is what we can all hope for, but a sudden decline in play is a realistic assumption that can be made too. im doing the math, right now it looks 50/50 to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    All of you claiming D’Antoni to be a better fit or better hiring don’t know anything about Basketball. Ohhh Steve Nash doesn’t fit the Triangle? REALLY? He’s completely one-dimensional and so is Phil? Laughable. Really. To say D’Antoni would get the Lakers further than the G.O.A.T.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    And the math says……a decline won’t be a big deal. Because he doesn’t have to be as great as he was.

  • shutup

    The Lakers will

  • shockexchange

    If you read my book you would know this.

  • shockexchange
  • Armando

    ..over this guy …

  • Armando

  • danpowers

    when it comes to this both teams chances aint that bright as eg the thunder’s or heat’s chances in their conferences. why u b’tchin bout the knicks anyway? this is a lakers thread. i was jus stopping by to drop my condolonces. the lakers coaching staff turned from bad to worse

  • danpowers

    if we consider the dantoni signing the lakers are not closer to a title than the knicks, mate ;)

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