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Friday, March 8th, 2013 at 1:30 pm  |  168 responses

Derrick Rose Reportedly Cleared to Play By Doctors But He’s Not Ready


It has been a long, frustrating slog through rehab ever since Derrick Rose underwent left knee surgery almost 10 months ago. The Chicago Bulls say that their superstar point guard is day-to-day, and according to ESPN, Rose’s doctor has given him the green light to play in an NBA game again. Derrick is just not mentally prepared to do so at the moment: “Derrick Rose’s doctor has cleared the Chicago Bulls’ star to play, a team source said, but his long-awaited return to the lineup won’t occur until he can confidently dunk off his left foot, Rose has told the team. Rose, who had surgery to repair a tear to the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee on May 12, has been videotaped dunking off each foot, but more casually than he would during a game. A source said that although he has been practicing and scrimmaging hard, he told the Bulls that until he feels ‘in his mind’ he can confidently dunk off his left foot in a game situation, he is not 100 percent mentally ready to return to competition. The team is not pressuring Rose, the source said, but the Bulls are confident he will return this season and are still hoping for a mid-March return, which would mark 10 months after his surgery. The Bulls play at Golden State on March 15. The source said the team has been assured by Rose’s doctor that there is no more chance of the former MVP getting injured upon his return than anyone else and that the doctor told the Bulls that physically ‘he can play now.’ Rose is now dealing with the psychological side of trusting his body.”

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  • Anthony Dixon

    Come Back Next Season

  • Slick Ric

    March 18th at home against the nuggets.

  • Slick Ric

    If he’s not in danger of re-injury, he should come back this season IMO.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    a lotta respect to Derrick Rose for standing up for himself.

  • don

    i’d say next season.. they wouldn’t win this year. too much bron.. also, getting another player who can create for himself would be good

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    True a lot of cats would give in to the pressure especially given that he plays for his hometown team.

  • spit hot fiyah

    i hear you, imagine if it was Dwight Howard right now that was cleared by doctors to play for whatever injury and he said he would come back when he is mentelly ready. the internet would probably implode and turn into a black hole

  • K

    I think he should come back this season especially if he’s cleared to play. Playing games will only make him psychologically stronger. To be cleared to play and have 2-3 months left of ball in the season is a long time. If he waited till next season because he’s not mentally there, thats kind of depressing as a bulls fan. If Rubio and Shumpert are playing (both of which are playing at the same level they were playing last year), he should be playing too.

  • Redd

    Rose’ll return against the Trailblazers, it seems logical since it’s a Home game & it’ll draw attention to Damian Lillard & Rose who is the next guy up for Adidas.

    That’s me tho.

  • Yknot

    Let’s see comeback early may never be the same(Larry Johnson), or take the entire year to get well (Blake Griffin). Seems obvious to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Junior-Taylor/100003121138419 Junior Taylor

    There is this perception of Rose being a tough guy and Howard being a pansy.

  • bike

    Just play him sparingly for the rest of the season and let him get his groove back. A tentative Rose=no Rose at all.

  • Jay Cutler

    If Rose not playing immediately to protect his long term career *AS A BULL* is mentally depressing to you as a bulls fan then.. I don’t even know.

  • Redd

    That’s cause what Dwight has already done to tarnish his image.

    Also, Rose has been getting lots of flack for waiting, undeservedly so.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    screw. dont push a man who’s mentally not ready.

  • pposse

    not saying rose should come back, but Bron winning another championship is really not an option either. That will mean the guy (and his team) went to three straight championships and won two in a row. Lebron and co. will even be more scarier than ever before if this happens.

  • LakeShow

    I highly doubt, Adidas or another rookie PG competitor have anything to do with when he returns.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    for NO reason at all.

  • IanMatthew8

    Rose should just sit out the yr & come back strong next yr

  • K Dub

    Nobody realizes how MUCH pressure is on this MAN!!!! Dang he has the entire weight of Chicago on his shoulders!! Just because he is physically ready doesnt mean anything!!!!!! Mental Health is just as important!! The entire league expects him to come back and destroy everybody!! Its a process to get back to his super saiyan form lol. And when he comes back he is gonna put more pressure on his self and team to win now!! When he feels READY to do that whenever it is HE will do it. D Rose is the only person that can compete with Lebron! Give him some time to prepare for his Role!

  • Redd

    Adidas pays Rose a lot more than the Bulls do…I HIGHLY doubt Adidas isn’t influencing Rose’s decision.

  • The Seed

    Rose and the Bulls can beat Miami. Rose will come back in about 5 games and get 18pts, 6assits 5 rebs a game. Then when the playoffs come along, he will kill himself, like every year to try to advance the Bulls. BOOK IT!

  • LP

    He can’t just sit out…he will return… only way to get over that mental hurdle is to play in at least 10-15 NBA games….15 minutes per game wont hurt….
    Usually doesn’t turn out well when guys just miss an entire NBA season…(please don’t bring up the few instances when it does turn out well)

  • http://www.facebook.com/jab.ras.7 Jab Ras

    I am not a fan but he should just wait until next season to be safe.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    He owes no one anything. He’ll come back when he feels like it and he should.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    No, they can’t. This team is worse than the team that lost to Miami in 5 games two seasons ago. Rose would have more pressure on him to score now than he did then.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Rose is his own man. Thinks for himself. I’m not sure if anyone is influencing his decision.

  • Redd

    Healthy, no they’re better.

  • Redd

    He is, he’ll return when he knows he’s ready, but when he’s ready you better believe he’ll be influenced.

  • pposse

    disagree, Noah got 2 years older and more polished on the offensive end, boozer is more consistent and has been healthy, Nate is an upgrade to JLIII, and Deng is probably at the peak of his powers, Kirk can give supernintendo Chalmers fits. Rose might feel like he has more pressure to score cause still no one really can still create their own shot, and i get that, but Deng and Noah are better players now then they were 2 years ago. Also if Taj Gibson comes back near %100 then we will have a good amount of bigs and MIami will have only the Birdman and Joal Anthony. Provided that Rose is %100 at that time, it will be a very exciting/interesting series.

  • MikeC.

    Come off the bench for a few games. It’s worked for Amare.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Actually, he owes the people who are paying him millions to do so.

  • LakeShow

    Chris Bosh is still considered a big man right?

  • LakeShow

    lol… what????!!

  • Ben Ireland

    I get what you’re saying, but Shump hasn’t been near the player he was last year, I’ve found him noticeably slower, and I hope he’ll get back to where he was, love watching him play D. Rubio’s been rusty, gotten better as you would expect, but he’s nowhere near the athlete DRose is. I want a fully healthy Rose when he’s ready himself, and I want the same exciting player he was before. I don’t want him to rush back and never be the same. His jaw-dropping athleticism is what makes him the player he is, and I wanna see that again. One of the most fun players in the L to watch, likely my favourite. I hope he’s the same, and I’m happy to wait until he feels ready for that.

  • Ben Ireland

    If an entire city, hell, most of the basketball-watching population IN THE WORLD, haven’t influenced Rose to come back by now, I highly doubt Adidas give a crap that he’d be playing against a rookie PG and should be back for that game. When Rose comes back, it’ll be a story. And if he comes back against the Trailblazers, know what the headline is? “Rose comes back!”
    The only way that Adidas could benefit more from Rose returning and playing well at any point against any opponent is if the headline was “ADIDAS!!!! Rose comes back!”

  • ThaWindy

    Rosé just come back..don’t worry your not going to be the same…at first. Think of it this way..every game is one game closer to being back to 100 percent. Talk to Shumpert and RIck and they’ll tell you the same…it’s going to be a while. And that’s where your patients begins…not being able to run pass your man…being slow…it sucks.. But one day you will step on that court and think nothing of your leg and be balling as usual. Or wait till next season..

  • Othello

    Chris Bosh is still considered a man?

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    The people who pay him millions because of the work he’s put in and what he’s done for both Adidas and the Bulls franchise since he’s been there. He owes it to himself to come back only when he feels ready. Nothing else matters.

  • Redd

    …he’ll be influenced on what date he returns, meaning he’ll return when he’s ready but the exact date will be influenced.

  • Redd

    ..the world doesn’t cut the check for Rose..Adidas & the Bulls do, made no sense.

    Why do you think teams sign players, cause it’s fun? It sells shoes. Why do you think Adidas did #TheReturn campaign? Once Rose returns they’re going to milk it so again that makes no sense.

  • pposse

    yeah cosign @Othello, Joakim Noah and other legit big men looks at Chris Bosh and remember the transitive property that they have all learned in grade school….
    Chris Bosh = Brittany Griner = big girl

  • pposse

    naw….im guessin that one day he will wake up in the morning at like 4:30am like he always does, looks outside the window of his big house, hear the birds chirping and the sun making its way up the horizon, he stares at the trees, then picks up the phone and call up Thibs, Thibs will be like “Derrick its good your up this is what we want you to do..” and D Rose abruptly cuts him off and announces “im ready” and hangs up and starts prepping.

  • pposse

    shump had like 6 steals in a game last week

  • Redd

    Ocean’s Eleven fan huh?

  • Lorne

    In what way is he the only person who can compete with Lebron? Durant is several levels of elite above Rose, so I know you must be strictly referring to Eastern conference stars.

  • Lorne

    When the only people who co-sign you are Rose fanatics or Lebron haters, you know you’re talking nonsense.

  • underdog

    Let’s not forget, he’s only able to pull this off, because he’s a superstar. Some bench player wouldn’t be able to do this for too long.

  • Dalugan

    Compete with Lebron? What have you been smoking? Rose isn’t even the best point guard in the league. Important to Chicago? Absolutely! The guy to take the Bulls to a championship? No way!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    yea I disagree…the Bulls could potentially have a better team this year. If Rose comes back healthy

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    exactly….except Kirk gives Wade fits!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    uhhhh the only person that can compete with LeBron? Dafuq?

  • uqk

    don’t forget Grant Hill…just play it safe
    But the way thibs play his starter 40++ minutes must stop….learn something from pop
    rose also had to evolve his game not just relying on athleticism,
    stop driving recklessly

  • Ben Ireland

    No, I’m saying exactly what you just said… Adidas gains money as soon as Rose comes back, and they gain more money long-term if he’s playing to the best of his abilities again. It doesn’t matter if he’s back against a fellow Adidas guy or not. When Rose comes back, it won’t matter who it’s against, it’ll be big news.
    And saying the world doesn’t cut the check for Rose is stupid, no offence. If no-one buys his stuff, does Adidas give him a contract? He earned a big contract with them for his play, and for his character. The world liked it, and Adidas took notice, and they paid him accordingly for the exclusive rights to that play and that character. Simply put, it’s in their best interests to wait on Rose to feel fully healthy and ready to go as well, and they won’t push him. They’re not stupid. Remember how bad it looked when Shump and Rose both tore their ACLs. Obviously they were freak injuries, but remember the Nike guy’s comments? Adidas needs Rose as their best player. And they need it more than Rose needs them, cos Nike would obviously jump at the chance to acquire Rose at any point, they’d be stupid not to. They have no say when he’s coming back, my friend.

  • Ben Ireland

    I’m not saying there haven’t been flashes, and I really do hope he’s fully back next year and ready to go, dude has immense upside. But for now, I personally don’t feel he’s been the same player, not quite yet.

  • Redd

    No offense taken, I’m not saying Adidas will influence when he decides he’s ready to return! I’m saying that they’ll influence the exact date he chooses when he is ready.

    Lillard is the next guy to get a signature shoe after Rose, of course my date may be wrong but I don’t think the idea that Adidas wants their next Adidas poster not to get attention is wrong.

  • The Seed

    Rose and Bulls can beat Heat, ask the Pacers who play defense. Bulls are known for defense and with Bellini spreading the floor. Its a different Bulls team.

  • Happy

    Even if they could beat Miami, which they can’t, I’m still taking the Thunder over the Bulls.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    D-Rose can and will lead to Bulls to a few championships. But only after he gets a teammate who can create offense for himself and others.

  • Happy

    Yea I guess that’s why they have such a history of beating the Heat. Oh wait, they don’t.

  • Happy

    Durant’s reign begins when Lebron’s ends. I wasn’t huge on Durant before this season, but he has definitely made me a believer. I look at his age and the rate at which he’s improved and I don’t see any other young star being able to overtake him.

  • pposse

    dude your a hater, you the exact opposite of what you claim other people are, there is clearly no ‘middle ground’ you’ve constantly claimed that there are better pg’s than d rose, but still can’t admit with a straight face that if drose never tore the acl that he would not be starting in favor of your idol CP3 in the Olympics 2012, your comments regarding this is so bias …but in the other way

  • pposse

    calm down, only one series was played if your solely talking playoffs, but if your talking reg season too, the heat got rocked plenty of times – your use of the word history is kind of loose. Your tryin to make it seem like the heat beat the bulls on numerous occasions which is not true.

  • pposse

    im just thinking that coming back from acl’s are those things where you need games under your belt to get back confidence and its a slow process. There is no way to duplicate this in practice, and if i was the owner/gm i would make sure my player in the summer would not go out and ball it up on the playground or in another league (most contracts are setup like this anyways) all of this works against players especially like d rose who will get anxiety or whatever for not playing for longer than 1.3 yrs at the elite level. I def think that he needs to wait till its time, but provided that the doctors cleared him he should come back sometime this year to just remember what it feels like to hoop out there before going into the offseason

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Still not good enough to beat Miami or even give them a tough series.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    What does it matter if they still can’t help Rose when it really matters against the Heat in the Conference Finals? The Bulls today still can’t beat Miami which is what Derrick’s brother said last month. They’re not closer to being able to beat them. The Heat are better and Rose still would need to do so much on offense just to keep up with Miami’s scoring. I noticed you said “we” which means you’re a Bulls fan. But open your eyes. Rip Hamilton isn’t the answer and never was the answer at the two guard spot. Hinrich can shoot and defend but he’s not going to take too much pressure off of Rose on offense. The Heat would win in 5 or 6 games even if Rose comes back and gets to 100% this season (which he won’t).

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Talk about bias, you show a clear bias for the Bulls. That decision on if Rose or CP3 would have started on last summer’s Olympic team would have been tougher than you think. CP3′s a better facilitator. Better vision. Durant, LeBron and Kobe as finishers along with CP3 would have been a better lineup probably. Rose and Melo off the bench.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    It comes down to this. The Heat have 3 dudes. Chicago has 1. 3 beats 1. If Rose is out of rhythm, there’s no one else to score on a star level. If LeBron is off, there’s Wade. If Wade is off, there’s LeBron. If Wade and LeBron are off, there’s Bosh who would bully Carlos Boozer as strange as that sounds. Boozer plays softer than Bosh.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    The regular season means nothing once May gets here. The Bulls are great against Miami during the regular season. When the playoffs get here and a team can plan for an opponent, we all get to see what teams are really made of. The Bulls showed themselves to be just Derrick Rose and some other guys against Miami. The Heat beat the Bulls in the playoffs which obviously matters the most. A game in January or March means nothing compared to the Conference Finals. So there’s really no need to bring up the regular season. The Bulls beat Miami without Rose last season…does that mean they would have beat them in the playoffs too without Rose? No.

  • Happy

    I should really calm down. I mean, it’s not like I’m a Rose fanatic claiming him and this team could beat Lebron and the Heat in his prime. It’s not like Rose himself admitted that Lebron’s D shut him down in the playoffs. I’ll calm down with my facts.

  • pposse

    like i said you implied the Heat beat the Bulls on more than one occassion when you talk about history. If you can’t see that, then call a friend over and ask him to look at your original post.

    Everyone knows what happened, but please stop overblowing this Lebron shutting down Rose, he only stuck him in the 4th quarter and had Wade and Bosh on help D, those are facts. I’ll give credit to where credit is due, Lebron did very good, but he did not play one on one defense against him, like you are implying again. Sure Lebron influenced D Rose went initially, but there was help d collapsing on him when he drove. Why don’t u look at the tape, your sounding like a complete lebron stan right now.

  • pposse

    they beat them once!! his response implied that the Heat beat on the Bulls on multiple occasions which is not true.

  • Happy

    You really think Rose’s game would fit better with a bunch of other scorers, than a point guard who is probably the league’s best facilitator?

  • pposse

    your post said “this team is not as good as the team that lost to miami” – i was responding to that part of your argument. This team is better than the 2011 bulls imo (with a healthy d rose of course). all this stuff about whether or not they will win is irrelevant. Being a Bulls fan has nothing to do with my objectivity; i said it would be more interesting/exciting than 2011, nothing about outright winning.

  • Happy

    He shut him down when it counted the most, which is what Rose gave him credit for. But you know better than Rose himself. He must feel great having all of these online advocates to speak for him.

    The fact is, Rose was in his best season when the Heat beat them. A Heat team that didn’t win a championship, and didn’t click nearly as well as they do now. I’m being realistic. You’re being a Rose fan. That’s the difference in our opinions. And FYI, while I like Lebron as a player I despise the Heat. There’s no rooting for them going on over here, just being honest.

  • pposse

    can u stick to the original argument? Do you know what it is anymore? Lebron helped shut down d rose in 2011, great i knew that, and said that, but it was a team effort. These “rose fan” jabs are cop outs.

  • pposse

    yes. How many times has d rose played with a legit scorer? I know he played alongside KD in the olympic qualifiers and did very good, KD flourished too. Its not like CP3 sucks or anything, but d rose can do everything he can do. How many times has he played with finishers like Tyson Chandler and DeAndre Jordan at center, or a Black Griffin?

    Everyone always looks at this argument one sidedely, people claim paul can do what d rose did with the bulls, but don’t even want to think about if d rose could do what paul does with the clips cause all of a sudden he is a selfish scorer or something.

  • Happy

    If Rose were the distributer CP3 was, he’d be that. CP3 is an amazing passer no matter the quality of his teammates. We know that. On the other hand, your argument for Rose all begin with “If Rose had”…”If Rose’s teammates…”. CP3 facilitating prowess doesn’t change with the quality of his teammates. I’m not saying he’s better than Rose overall, but you have pure hypotheticals about unproven ideas of what you think Rose would be able to do. Those arguments hold no weight with me.

  • pposse

    there is no bias over here, i really would like to know but I’ve seen coach K gush over d rose on national tv. What i do know is that both CP3 and D Rose would be offended if they didn’t get the starting nod, both are competitors like that. Acting like im bias LOL 8 GMs at the start of the 2012-2013 regular season said d rose is the best pg in the league. CP3 got like 20 votes and 2 votes went to Rondo. Are 8 GMs biased too?!

  • Happy

    At least I have a series to use as part of my opinion. What concrete evidence do you have to back up yours?

  • Happy

    The bottom line to the original argument is that between you and me, only I have an actual series to base my opinion on. You brought up that other stuff. Can you stick to the original argument?

  • pposse

    what are u talking about? one of cp3 main weapons are lob passes; why cause he plays with superior athletic players. Who do you throw lobs to on the bulls? Noah, Boozer, Deng? KYP know your personnell. if you can’t understand that idk what to tell you. Does Rose play with those type of ball players?! Do the clippers have the deepest team in the league..yes they do.

  • Happy

    And all of your opinions as to why you think the Bulls can beat the Heat are based on what? Oh that’s right, NOTHING.

  • pposse

    the star on the bulls is 25 and will be entering is prime as well soon enough.

  • pposse

    when did i say they can beat them? said it would be interesting, and i said the bulls have a better team than in 2011 (provided there is ahealthy d rose)

  • Happy

    So CP3 became an elite distributer with the Clippers? His entire reputation as an elite distributer is based off of his two seasons with the Clippers? And what is your opinion based on? When did Rose show you that he was as much of a facilitator and distributer as Rose?

  • pposse

    he played with Tyson Chandler in Charlotte for all of those other years, and Tysons athletic abilities at Center was huge. Rose showed that in the summer for the olympic qualifiers when him and KD took over, KD said that D rose was the MVP of the team too.

  • Happy

    So your evidence is based on the fact that Rose is 25? No real match-ups to point to, just that Rose is 25? Got it.

  • pposse

    cool im happy you opened your mind maan.

  • Happy

    So basically you are arguing that the athleticism of teammates is what distorts people’s minds into believing CP is a master distributor, when in reality he just throws lobs? You are a genius, I swear. There is a reason people don’t take your opinion on this issue seriously. You are consistent though. You consistently say the dumbest sh!t when it comes to all things DRose.

  • pposse

    if u dont think that the lob/ setup is a big part of cp3 game, then you are young. sorry brah

  • Happy

    I think what real basketball fans–not those of us who are obsessed with one player–think: CP3 is a better distributer and passer than Rose. End of story.

  • pposse

    lol at u, your conclusions about individuals are awesome and dead on, syke!! smdh

    that might be accurate (what u say about CP) about his passing. But Rose’s role is different on his team. CP’s brand of basketball will not win a ring, ever (imo) while Rose’s will.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    They’d lose in 5 games. Just as they did 2 seasons ago. So how does that make them better than they were 2 seasons ago? What really matters is if they are better fit to beat Miami since that was the only team in their way when Rose was healthy. They’re not in a better position to challenge them. So they’re not a better team.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Chris Paul’s brand of basketball will not win a ring?…stop watching basketball now. That’s one of the dumbest comments I’ve read in the 5 years I’ve been coming to this site. Chris Paul’s brand of basketball makes every player he plays with better. He’s the best PG in basketball. He can beat you by passing or by scoring. Rose still can’t beat a team by only passing. That’s not really a bad thing given how great of a scorer and attacker he is, but he’s not as well-rounded at the PG spot as Chris is.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Knowing Rose’s personality, I’m sure he wouldn’t have minded coming off the bench behind Chris Paul. That’s not really an insult given that Chris has put in more time on Team USA than Rose has.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Once…in the Eastern Conference Finals. That’s all that matters. You talk like the regular season wins mean so much. They don’t. At all.

  • pposse

    he is the end all be all, seems pretty easy in a 7 game series for elite teams to stop the clips. Just stop cp. When was the last time he made a dent in the playoffs again?? oh yeah was that five years ago?

    Cause u say so sir, ill stop watching lol

  • Happy

    Sure. A score first PG as your primary offensive option is EXCTLY what wins rings in the NBA. Thanks for that awesome opinion!

  • pposse

    tony parker, chauncey billups, issaiah thomas – too easy

  • http://www.facebook.com/rainman1991 Saleem Rainman

    Only person who can compete with lebron? didnt LeBron shut him downt o 6 % shooting in the final 2 minutes of games or something in the ECF few years back? lol

  • Happy

    Right. Tony Parker didn’t play with the greatest PF of all time who, despite not winning Finals MVP, was still the best player on that team. Brilliant comparison. Billups was NOT the primary offensive threat on his championship team. Rip was their leading scorer, and that was a well balanced team anyway. Isaiah Thomas was a MUCH better distributer than Rose, and he had a much better cast around him. You are reaching and you’re not helping yourself.

  • pposse

    no, thats wrong. D Rose also told Kenny Smith how pissed he was when he found out that another “elite pg” that Kenny Smith did not name went out to eat for dinner the night befoer a game agains the Bulls. D Rose took offense to that, plus just last week Noah was talkin about how D Rose loves playing aginst other elite pg’s and that he takes them personally. You completely do not know D Rose if you think he would be OKAY with not starting.

  • Happy

    CP has always played in a much better conference than Rose. Look at his competition compared to the East teams. This season is the first season in a few years that Rose hasn’t had a better team than CP3 as well. Just stop.

  • pposse

    your right, i should have stopped when d rose was labeled a score first pg. Cause he is a WIN FIRST pg. Besides im talkin to a whole bunch of slam commenters who ranked d rose #12 in 2010 pre-rankings while i adamantly told all of u guys that he was top 5 and then gets MVP that year. Most of whom are still salty about it (not you in particular).

  • pposse

    yeah cause in 2008 the western conference didn’t have seattle, memphis, la clippers, and minnesota. All less than 25 win teams, all contributing to the inflation of Wins in the western conference. You kno most of those teams played each of the teams i listed 4 times to the eastern conferences 2 times right? And say they beat each of those teams all 4 times, thats 20 wins!!

    Before you talk about what actually was the better conference u need to consider inflation by all the bum/bottom feeder teams there was in the west.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donte-Machiavelli-Hudson/100000723951750 Donte Machiavelli Hudson

    I know you & all the drones of america DON’T see an end to Lbj 30 is around the corner,,,, say bye-bye. there is something called “synergy” sports, its responsible for all the “premature” trades & releases you see going on in the nba & nfl ,,,, tv mirrors your brain, it shows you what you want to see. & its shows you more lbj. (lol),,, the 1st part was serious. Lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donte-Machiavelli-Hudson/100000723951750 Donte Machiavelli Hudson

    Are you in your feelings? Bc I got a snickers right here buddy, calm down. Rose will be just fine.

  • pposse

    i dont think I follow?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donte-Machiavelli-Hudson/100000723951750 Donte Machiavelli Hudson

    I don’t know who, but the person who will take over after lebron around yet. It WON’T BE DURANT. mark my words. Are any of these second tier teams we are witnesses to now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donte-Machiavelli-Hudson/100000723951750 Donte Machiavelli Hudson

    Rose doesn’t owe anyone…. He owes himself to take his time bc he’s his own investment,,, its just like afan to be on the side of the franchise…. Go read abook until he gets back if you’re so impatient bc this bulls team WITH HIM OR WITHOUT HIM, WON’T WIN JACK-NATHAN with the roster as it stands. You wanna talk about owe? You better get this kid some help in before we have the decision part 2.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donte-Machiavelli-Hudson/100000723951750 Donte Machiavelli Hudson

    Why would the olympic team start a scorer who has to have the ball to score on a team FULL OF MORE VIABLE SCORERS? Not to mention the carbon copy of rose was on the team & LOOKED STUPID at times trying to create for others & showed why coach K had him EMBEDDED in the bench =westbrook. Cp3=SELFLESS distributor who happens to create for others while possessing a crazy enough handle to get his own anytime he wants. Rose/westbrook couldn’t get 20assists against kids. Go eat a snickers. You in your feelings right now.

  • K Dub

    Derrick Rose is the ONLY player in the league who can compete with Lebron. Durant is just a scorer doesnt control the entire game. Kobe is to old if he was in his prime different story. Chris Paul too small Carmelo not good enough. Rose is the same as Lebron just shorter. So Rose is the only player who can compete with Lebron year in and year out. And he is way younger still more to improve, whoever disagrees is stupid plain and simple.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donte-Machiavelli-Hudson/100000723951750 Donte Machiavelli Hudson

    Happy- he is better than rose bc he possesses none of the athletic tools he does & NEVER HAD A TEAM worthy of “the finals” but threatens almost on a yearly basis to get his teams there… His I.Q, toughness, & shear will power make him among the leagues elite. Look up & down this thread, everywhere you see “will he be the same” bc EVERYONE IN THE BASKETBALL WORLD KNOWS his reasons for being atop the leagues finest had everything to do with his athleticism.POINT.BLANK.PERIOD. kyrie irving is cp3′s carbon copy, i’d take those two in a heartbeat before I take westbrook/rose bc despite injury, their games will remain the same.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donte-Machiavelli-Hudson/100000723951750 Donte Machiavelli Hudson

    No no no… Possee. That clipper team would be a lottery team without cp3. Flatout. That bulls team has made it without rose 2 years in a row, to seeds at that! If chris went to new york with his best friend melo, we’d be talking championships.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donte-Machiavelli-Hudson/100000723951750 Donte Machiavelli Hudson

    Tyson chandler stayed injured @ new orleans bro. Remember they even tried to trade tyson to okc! But he failed the physical! & sent him back.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donte-Machiavelli-Hudson/100000723951750 Donte Machiavelli Hudson

    The lob? Who the f__k was he lobbing it to when he was giving it to the lakers as an 8seed his final year in new orleans, david west out for the season? It damn sure wasn’t omeka okafor. They were horrible but he almost eliminated the lakers single handed. Really, when I come in these forums, you can tell who can play ball & just watching it, as a matter of fact, watching on it on 2k13. Dafuq?

  • pposse

    they lost that series, idk what u are talking about.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Want to stop the Bulls? Stop D-Rose. Ask Miami. Same thing as the Clippers. What’s your point here?

  • pposse

    well that team suckedd and so did cp3 they got swept in the second round, tony parker outplayed him, and cp averaged like 11 pts.

  • pposse

    stopping d rose is 50 times harder than stopping cp3

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    The difference is the point guards going against him are on the opposite teams. You’re making a pretty bad connection. Noah’s comments about Rose and Rose’s comments about the other PGs who are about to play him mean nothing here. The Olympic team isn’t about one guy and his ego which D-Rose would completely understand. It’s about what’s best for the team. CP3′s style of play would be better playing with Kobe, LeBron and Durant than Rose.

  • pposse

    it does matter, it shows d rose cares; who starts is who is perceived to be better, and that matters.

  • pposse

    d rose was on the 08 roster and your guy was NOT, if your talking about stuff pre 08 then yes, but from 08 to 2012 d rose definately put in more time on Team USA.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    …Melo started over Durant for a few exhibition games last summer. No basketball fan with good sense thought Melo was better than Durant. But it was the work Melo has put in on Team USA that got him that spot. It wasn’t until Coach K talked to both of them that Melo agreed to come off the bench for the good of the team. It would be the same thing with Rose and Paul.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    D-Rose wasn’t on the roster in 08. How stupid are you, really? Durant played in a scrimmage on Team USA after his rookie season before they made cuts. Rose had just finished his only season at Memphis and was just drafted. So no, he wasn’t on the 08 roster. Chris Paul was on that 08 Olympic team. Did you even watch? You’re embarrassing yourself. Rose played on the World Championship team in 2010. Paul would have played on the 07 FIBA team if he wasn’t hurt. He did play in 2006 for Team USA. So what are you talking about?

  • pposse

    so starting Durant over Melo was because he fits better with a unite that has Kobe (another volume shooter), OR maybe its cause he is the better player which i think is what u are getting at here.

  • pposse

    whoops sorry he wasnt on the team, still from 08 to 2012 who put in more work? – its great how u harp on part of the statement then neglect the other part of the argument to try and prove something. who put in work from 2008 – 2012. CP already had a gold medal from 08 so why should he have been given the start, seniority?

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    …They lost to the Spurs in 7 games. They won 56 games and were the number 1 seed in the West. Some people thought CP3 deserved MVP over Kobe that season. How in the world did you come up with them being swept and them being a bad team? You sound like a complete buffoon. Just quit. Now. CP3 averaged 26 a game against the Spurs…where did you get 11 points from?

  • pposse

    they lost in 4 last year to whomever they played. they won in 7 against the grizzlies in the first round peep game son, stop snap calling your nonsense. Check the stats. “Buffoon” lol your not worthy.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    50 times harder, really? LeBron didn’t look like he was struggling all that hard trying to lock Rose down in the Conference Finals. Do you have any idea how foolish you sound?

  • pposse

    are u mad bro? yes 50, a 100, 2 times it doesnt matter its harder to stop d rose than cp3 sorry bro if u dont agree.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Chris Paul played with a strained hip flexor. Blake Griffin played with a sprained knee. Neither were close to 100%. If they were both healthy, that would have been a competitive series.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    For Team USA? CP3. That’s what they think about the most when they make decisions with starters.

  • pposse

    i dont give two two shiets what the reason was they lost in 4 and cp’s stats were doo doo u proved yourself, when im wrong i can admit, when you are wrong u excuse it – its so easy to just say i messed up series or i thought u was talkin about another year or something, but that wasnt your choice..checkmate…

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    No. Read carefully. Coach K had a conversation with both of them. Durant and Melo. Melo had put in more work. If it was just about who the better player was, Durant would have started from day 1. He had just led his team to the NBA Finals and finished 2nd in MVP voting. Instead, since Melo had won a Gold Medal in 08 and had been a part of Team USA since 2004, he started for a few games. Again, if it was just about who the better player was, Durant would have started without any conversation being had.

  • pposse

    we’ll never know cause rose wasnt on the team, no one knows for sure other than coach k, everything else is speculation

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    And the foolishness continues. Enjoy your ignorance dude. Pretty stupid to say you don’t care about significant injuries to players who had just played a tough 7 game series against a tough team going up against the Spurs who were resting and had just swept the Jazz. Maybe baseball is your sport. Because basketball is definitely not your strongest area.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Easier to stop Rose since he had no one to pass to who was dangerous. Chris, on the other hand, wins games by both passing and scoring depending on what’s needed. Meaning it’s harder to stop him. Do you watch basketball? Or do you just watch Bulls highlights?

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Find another sport to like. Basketball doesn’t agree with you. Or just watch in silence. Because you’re not that great with talking about it.

  • pposse

    excuses, sounding like pauls nephew now, thats cool. if players don’t talk about injuries being the reason u shoudnt either. Everyone plays wit injuries in the playoffs sorry broo thats just how it is. ill stick to bball.

  • pposse

    thats your opinion, and i can respect that albeit you are wrong.

    Lebron is the only player that has proven to somewhat stop d rose “when it counts” in the past 2 years, that and injuries.

  • pposse

    lol whats up with all of these demands??!

  • pposse

    okay

  • Ben Ireland

    Yeah, no doubt, I hope an think he’ll be back this season, but I want him 200000% sure he’s gonna reach back to his play from before, or as near as possible. But I agree that the only way to know is by trying… That’s a scary prospect for everyone watching, never mind him. When you’re ready and explosive, then do it, DRose. In the mean time, scrimmage, I guess. They said he’s doing that, right?

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    So my opinion is wrong, but yours is right? Hilarious. What am I wrong about? Am I wrong that CP3 controls games by both scoring and passing? That’s true. Where have you been the past 7 years?

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    You sound like a Bulls ballboy. A 12 year old ballboy.

  • pposse

    okay. then thats who you respond to with your 20 years of watching bball. its a shame u thought this whole year u thought cp3 and the clippers lost in 7 to the spurs. Speaking of the clips how are they doing lately??! oh thats right they are slipping arent they? that stacked squad is in danger of getting the 5th seed lol at u, its probably cause of the coach tho right, or maybe cp3 doesnt have enough pieces, whatever else kind of dumb excuses u can make u will. wwdd (wat would drose do? – he’d have that squad in first place, book it!!)

  • pposse

    your wrong saying that its easier to stop d rose, clearly wrong. like i said a lebron james led team has been the only team to stop d rose and the bulls. Meanwhile the nuggets, lakers, and spurs bounced a cp3 led team outta the playoffs. which team will it be this year? take your pick i was watching for the last 7 years, why you constantly try to test my knowledge and get owned is silly. just stop. and please dont bring up d roses first year against the celtics and losing in 7 to a kg-less team

  • pposse

    yup he is scrimmaging, man its tough as a fan…you jsus want him out there but know better

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    unfortunately I think you are right

  • z

    Pposse’s seriously even more of a homer than The Seed.Bias mixed with pride can lead to some embarrassingly stupid statements. Pposse is living proof

  • Drig

    Are most Bulls fans like pposse? If so, I’m confounded about why the Lakers have the worst rep among the fans as far as irrational thinking is concerned……….

    Anyways, the Bulls need to make some moves and let Rose rest for the entire year. There’s nothing to be gained by playing him this year. Absolutely nothing.

  • Mac

    Durant is only a scorer? He has 3 triple double games this year.

    4 years difference is way younger?

    Rose simply does not control the game on the defensive side of the ball the way Lebron does. Rose has never averaged more than 1 steal per game and 4.1 rebounds per game.

    You claim Rose is the same as Lebron? Lebron is averaging more assists, points, rebounds, steals, points and block per game this season then Rose’s career high season averages in any of those categories. (all while shooting 7% higher than Rose has ever shot for a season)

    The idea that Rose is on Lebron’s level is laughable.

    In short: I disagree and I don’t think it is plain or stupid to do so.

  • pposse

    yeah cause d rose be being better than CP is so far fetched, like 8 gms didnt say that at the beginning of this season, soo biased, i get it Z. its funny how some of you children have this gang/bully mentality. If you do not have the ability to add to the conversation then stay back loser. Your living proof that this world is full of sheep, say something meaningful or don’t say anything at all.

  • phil

    Didn’t stephen a smith question lin’s heart because he was 85%, what’s that then say about rose who has been medically cleared to play??? I would like to hear treat rose the same way but we all know that’s not gonna happen!!!

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    The West is a much tougher conference. If you knew anything at all about the NBA, you’d know that. Chris Paul’s Hornets lost to Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol and the Lakers, Carmelo Anthony and the deep Nuggets, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and the Spurs. There’s no shame in losing to those teams when you’re Chris Paul and the next best player on your team is David West (no disrespect but he’s not exactly a Hall of Fame caliber player). So the fact that those series were even competitive is because of CP3. Rose’s Bulls only had to go through the Pacers, Hawks and they lost to the Heat. Neither the Pacers or Hawks had a superstar player. Granger and Joe Johnson are good players. Not great at all. So compare the teams they had to go through. Easy to see that Chris has had a tougher road to a championship up until this point. Your knowledge is nonexistent. So it’s really nothing for me to test.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    You sound like a child, really. Complete embarrassment to any good Bulls/Rose fan.

  • pposse

    who are you? your a sheep, no wolf in you at all. how about u tell me why 8 gms think d rose is the best pg in the league? stick to facts dummy. My opinions are backed by actual people who get paid millions to make real life nba decisions, meanwhile your opinions about me gets backed by sheep like yourself. I don’t discredit cp3, but i put enought pts in my argument as to why cp is not the player d rose is. If you want to think otherwise then thats on u, leave the name calling out of it, that makes u sound foolish. You thought u was talkin to a “ball boy” but your slowly but surely realizing your talkn to a grown man.

  • pposse

    right cause u named what 3 Western Conference teams and that makes them deep?!

    Orlando, Boston, Cleveland same amount of worthy teams that were able to win championships in that time period.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Cleveland was a deep team to you? Compared to those Nuggets, Spurs and Lakers teams? Hilarious. Pure foolishness from you.

  • pposse

    why dont u tell me how many times melo took that o so “deep” nuggets team outta the first round?

    I can do this all day .. cause i know what i am talking about youngster

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    A grown man who sounds like a little boy and is a fanboy. Rose fanboy. Bulls fanboy. That’s you. CP3 is widely regarded as the best PG in basketball by most NBA analysts. Who are you listening to who say that Chris Paul isn’t the player Rose is? You have no points at all. You didn’t even know that Rose wasn’t on the 08 Olympic team. That’s not just a mistake, that’s a sign of someone who has absolutely no clue at all about what they’re talking about. Who in the world really thinks that LeBron’s Cavs teams were deep compared to the Spurs, Nuggets, and Lakers from a few years ago? How can you be a Rose fan and not know that he wasn’t on that team? How can you be a basketball fan supposedly but not know that Chris Paul was on that team?

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    You can be an idiot all day? I’m well aware because you’ve been showing it. What Melo did or didn’t do with what he had means nothing here. The fact is that there was a lot of talent on those teams. More talent than LeBron’s Cavs. Any casual fan knows that the Western Conference is tougher than the Eastern Conference. Which is why most Eastern Conference playoff teams wouldn’t make it in the West. You’re sitting here trying to say that what Chris Paul had to go through means nothing compared to the teams the Bulls have to go through. Outside of the Heat, none of the Eastern Conference teams would beat any of the top 5 teams in the West in a series. You know nothing about basketball. At all.

  • pposse

    too much shoulda woulda coulda talk with you, the magic took the lakers to 6, the celtics won and took the lakers to 7. Really you sound ridiculous and bias right now. The cavs from 08-10 matched up well agains the lakers or spurs, im not going to say if they could have won or not, cause i know i cant prove it one way or the other, just like your young statements.

  • pposse

    melos talented teams lost to everyone but the hornets, but i should give the hornets a break for not beating them bc cp3 is on the team lol now thats stupid. cp3 may very well be the youngsest superstar performer in the playoffs one notch below carmello thats the inconvenient truth. One you cp nut huggers can’t handle. IF the clippers make it to the finals, and IF they get a home series i will retract that last statement, until then out of all the superstars there were in the past carmello and cp has accomplished the least by a wiide margin (in the playoffs).

  • pposse

    really this comin from the guy who doesnt remember when chris paul lost in 4 games to the spurs last year? dropped somethin like 11 ppg.

    I admitted i was mistaken, what about u? do u even remember that from last year? or do u stand by them takking the spurs to 7?

  • pposse

    **correction the magic lost in 5, but cortney lee did miss a tip in at the buzzer (pt blank layup) that right there was a series changer.

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