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Wednesday, March 20th, 2013 at 10:55 am  |  110 responses

John Wall Would Be ‘Hurt’ if the Wizards Don’t Give Him a Max Deal


He’s already made it clear—twice now—that he thinks he’s a max-level player. John Wall tells the WaPo that he deserves a contract extension from the Washington Wizards, and would be hurt if both sides don’t reach an agreement (approximately $85 million over the next five years) by next October: “‘You never know, but I feel like I proved myself for them to give it to me,’ Wall said. ‘I feel like the organization, the ownership knows what I’m capable of and what I bring to the table as a point guard. I feel like I put the pressure on myself to push myself to show that I’m willing to be a max player … I feel like I did what I have to and still want to prove myself. I’m still not done. I still haven’t reached my peak and I feel like it’s up to them to make the decision.’ The Wizards have budgeted to keep Wall with the organization ‘for a long time,’ according to a person with knowledge of the team’s thinking. Teams are allowed to designate one player to a five-year maximum contract at a time, essentially forcing them to make that decision between Wall and emerging rookie Bradley Beal, a No. 3 overall draft pick. Wall is eligible for a contract extension after this season; otherwise, he will become a restricted free agent in the summer of 2014. Negotiations between Wall’s agent, Dan Fegan, and the Wizards cannot begin until July 1. Wall said he would be disappointed if an agreement isn’t reached by the end of October. ‘I would be hurt. I feel like anybody should that feels like they are a franchise guy and proven themselves and still working to develop and get better. But this is a business and you have to deal with the stuff that comes with it and goes with it. I leave that up to those guys, but I love playing for D.C. I love this team, my staff, my teammates.’”

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  • Nick

    A couple months of decent playing is not”proving yourself”

  • jer Dawg

    Knowing the Washington franchise’s history I’d say they will pay max and Then their team sucks , the losing causes Wall to go into a funk, be hurt, and get stuck being under .400 team for the duration of his contract. Might get amnestied, also. At least he’s getting paid. Smh

  • LLC#12

    He does not deserve a max deal, but then again, neither do a lot of players who want them. Shame, he’ll get paid a stack whilst the Wizards continue to suck.

  • kwamepooh

    cry me a river

  • underdog

    Wizards fans would be ‘hurt’ if the Wizards give him a max deal.

  • spit hot fiyah

    he has been better than than decent, but you are right

  • spit hot fiyah

    if he keeps on playing like he has lately he will put more pressure on the front office, but he also needs to prove that he can stay healthy for an extended period of time. i don’t see why they would just give him the 85 mil over five years. it would just be smarter to force him to show he can stay healthy for all of next season and then let him becoma a RFA and match any offer from some other team, which will be less than 85 over 5 years

  • shockexchange

    Why does the Shock Exchange envision John Wall surrounded by his entourage and “yes men” going “If the Wizards don’t offer you a max contract, you should quit and then you could hang out with us full time … You’re J. Weezy, you don’t need them. We hold you son!”

  • Max

    He still has Max potential imo.

  • bike

    Wall is not, nor ever will be, a franchise player. He’s good, but even with a solid supporting cast, he just isn’t at a level where he can lead a team to big time. This will probably be another sad case of a team overpaying a player since there are no real franchise players available.

  • LeroyShonuff

    Hasn’t sniffed the playoffs. Injury history. Can’t defend. Can’t shoot. Doesn’t make his teammates better. Yep max contract. It’s a shame he will be paid more than Ty Lawson, Steph Curry and Brandon “aka Most Hatred good player by bloggers” Jennings… heck he will even be paid more than Rajon Rondo… shame

  • spit hot fiyah

    so do you

  • speedy

    So, he ‘feels’ like he is a franchise guy???

    Only because he has better stats, than his mediocre teammates?
    You are a franchise guy when you turn the team into a winning team and the GM sees, that their is a possibility to build a championship caliber team around you.

    Okay he hasn’t had the best supporting cast around him most of the time, but his skillset is clearly about ballhandling and athleticism. His courtvision and ability to control a game and its pace is not developed.

  • http://twitter.com/DPisWill DePaul Williams

    LeBron James, max deal player. Kevin Durant, max deal player. Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul, Kobe, and DWade among others are examples of max players. Guys like Wall and Brandon Jennings just arent max money to me in my honest opinion. To me, max guys may not have the ability to win championships by themselves but they should ATLEAST be fighting for a playoff spot. I just dont agree with giving him max money, but he would not be the first to be overpaid cause of market and demand.

  • KoloradoKobe

    Relax, John. This is the Wizards you’re talking about – they’ll give you a max deal. Hell, you could have a knee surgery tomorrow and they’ll still give you a max deal . That’s just how they roll.

  • LakeShow

    The Wizards are obviously better with him. He’s a decent defender. Could be a really good defender eventually. His shot has improved steadily. He actually does make his team mates better.
    I don’t agree with the max contract, but he won’t be the most undeserving ever…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    I don’t know what you are talking about the Wizards have been substantially better since Wall returned. I don’t know about right now, but they were 9-7 at one point since he returned, after starting 4-28….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    I agree, and it might not be the smartest move to sign him to a max, but it’s not horrible, I mean Eric Gordon got a max.

  • patrick

    fine, be hurt,,i don’t think he deserves one at all

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    He IS a max player. If they don’t sign him, who else are they going to sign? Sign him to a max and compete for the 5-8 seed for a minimum of the next couple of years and hope you can get lucky and become a title contender. If they let him walk they will be one of the worst teams in the league for at least a couple of years. John Wall and Bradley Beal growing together? That could be something special. Plus you know that is gonna sell. They will make MUCH more money off of signing him to the max because of the excitement he brings as a player.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Wizards fans sound stupid.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he has been really good his whole career. that kid is criminally underrated if you think he hasn’t proven himself.
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    unless you want to talk about durability? then he definitely has some proving to do.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the team has been playing at a playoff team level with him on the court.

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    they are terrible without him.

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    obviously that means he makes them better.

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    can’t defend? statistically the only perimeter defender better then him on his team is Trevor Ariza.
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    The teams defense is 4 points worse per 48 minutes without him.

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    The teams offense is 6 points worse per 48 minutes without him.
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    The team is 10 points worse per 48 minutes without him.
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    So contrary to everything you just said, he’s a good player, who can defend, and makes his teammates better. Oh, and he’s 21 years old.
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    Other than the durability issue, he is a max player. And clearly, at that.

  • James

    He is really deserving idk why you guys care, you dudes bash the wizards regardless

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Since John Wall came back from injury the team is 18-15. which would make them a playoff team.
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    way to prove you don’t know what you are talking about tho.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    so much ignorance in this comment section.

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    With John Wall the Wizards are 18-15.

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    Without John Wall the Wizards are 5-28.

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    If you don’t think Wall is deserving of a max contract because of what he does on the court. You are completely, and utterly, ignorant.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    18-15 with him. 5-28 without.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he is a max player.

  • clydesays

    His career stats don’t say he’s a max player. 42% FG, 24%3pt, 78%FT, 8 APT, against almost 4TO, 4.4 Rbs, 1.6 ST. He’s not a max player. If you want to build around him with solid shooters/defenders, he could be a functional starting PG. But he’s not Chris Paul, Rondo or Rose. He’s about on par with Brandon Jennings this season, for comparison…

  • i_ball

    He is a max player after his rookie contract (85 mil). The guys you are talking about are max players after their second contract (120 mil I think). Huge difference.
    I agree Jennings is not a max player and I doubt there would be a team to pay him that much.
    If the Wizz don’t give Wall a max contract they will regret it if he stays healthy. It’s worth the gable.

  • i_ball

    He has been banged up a lot. 168 games played and a lot of them after injury or not fully healthy, 69 as a rookie. If he ever gets 82 games without being sidelined he would blow your mind. I totally agree with @disqus_rOeXXBD2qs:disqus – durability is the only problem with this guy.
    The turnovers should go down as he gets more experience.

  • Max

    If he can be healthy next season.

  • Max

    Freakin Roy Hibbert got a max.

  • speedy

    I saw how the Wizards were nowhere near the playoffs with him the last years and I wouldn’t give a guy a max contract after 18+15=33 games
    The Wizards will take the risk in my opinion.

    But still he has alot to prove until he is a franchise guy.
    To me a franchise guy does the things he is doing now year after year after year.

    So his opinion of him being a franchise guy is just not right.
    It sounds as if he allready made it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You know I hope Washington doesn’t believe he’s a max guy, and they sign and trade him for Dragic. That way, I want watch him prove me right in person, while not needing to worry about durability because of our medical staff out here. Lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Statistically, he’s been about this good, just becoming more efficient every year. Now that the team got rid of its jackasses, his effect on his teammates is being highlighted. .
    He’s as worth a Max as anyone, considering a max out of your rookie contract isn’t the same as a max for a veteran.

  • Steve

    he did prove himself, quite a big decision for the Wizards but totally agreeable, Wall has given a lot to this team and from what I see it, he deserves to be treated as what he asks to.

    - basketball-performance.com

  • bill

    18-15…how convincing.

  • speedy

    And that is one big point if you want a contract for five years. I mean he seems to play good this season so far.

    He wants 85 mill over these years, yet his employer did either see him play a full season nor play up to the expectations.

    Now he is doing it for 33 games and you think he is a franchise guy.
    I really don’t want to hate on him, but he still has a long way to go before getting the label of a franchise player.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you see the 5-28 without him right? or no, you ignored that, because it is convincing huh?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    it’s silly to judge by career stats

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    when you people type things, do you think them through?

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    Look at his numbers. — in effect, his per game numbers are the worst they have ever been. so why you think he’s only been doing this for “33 games” is befuddling.

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    in his career John Wall has played 65-66-33 games, out of a possible 82-66-66.

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    In effect, he’s missed 50 out of 214 games. Not necessarily durable, but not nearly the “he’s only been doing this for 33 games” narrative y’all are tryna push.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    his career stats, at the age he is, have only been matched by 3 players in NBA history.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    even by doing that, he’s a max player.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Here is a good barometer for you people that don’t understand how good Wall has been.

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    If you had to guess, whose been better, John Wall or Damian Lillard?

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    If you had to guess, whose younger, John Wall or Damian Lillard?

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    If you had to guess, whose had a more positive effect on his team while on the court?

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    You answer John Wall to every question? —- i hope so.

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    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=walljo01&y1=2013&p2=lillada01&y2=2013

  • TR

    To be fair, Nene and Ariza have been hurt too, and Emeka had a really bad start to the season. I dont like John Wall, but hes the only/best option.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Nene is a lot like Wall. He’s much better than anyone gives him credit for. Not spectacular at anything, but well above average at everything.
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    But even he has played in 51 games, the team didn’t start improving until Wall entered the lineup.

  • playa

    no he’s not

  • TR

    Lillard is a better player than John Wall, those numbers don’t do much to prove your point. Wizards schedule has been weak the last month and Wall has been giving these bad teams the business, but when the competition picks up he usually doesn’t.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    just try and logically explain why he isn’t.
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    good luck.

  • Max

    That’d be awesome. I find it strange Phoenix hasn’t gone after Greg Oden.

  • K_HOLIDAY

    In my opinion, John Wall is way more deserving of a max deal than Amare was when he signed in NY… Wall came in with extremely high expectations (replacing G. Arenas as the face of the franchise) and has handled the pressure and transition well. He gets it done on a pretty weak team night in and night out. Yes he needs to work on a few things, but with that being said is still arguably a top 10 guard in the league (depending on what you like). For him to want to stay says a lot in itself. I think he deserves a max deal.

  • speedy

    So his team has a wining record for the first time when he plays with them and over his first three years he missed nearly a quarter of the games scheduled.

    Franchise player??? Come on.
    He is good but still has to prove that for a little longer, before talking about his next big contract over the media.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    The team got rid of their knuckle heads.

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    They were just as bad, 5-28.

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    Then Wall came back, and they have the same winning % as the Chicago Bulls since then. Except they don’t have an elite coach, or any other even all star players. While the Bulls have 2 all stars, and the 2nd best coach in the league.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    I don’t understand why there is such a negative attitude towards him. People treat him like he is on Bargnani’s level

  • playa

    I dont need your luck man,nor your approval,I just happen to disagree with you ALOT because his protecting the paint or offensive rebounding is probably worthy the max,but his scoring ability/post moves/defensive rebounding/mobility are DEFINATELY not.So all in all he is not the complete,star player you can expect for what Indiana is paying him.I know the center position is not the most stacked at the moment etc. but I just do not belive in rewarding players for mediocrity and giving them huuuuuge contracts not because of their greatness but because of others weaknesses.You are either good or average,below average player,if you are relatively good by your position for example, you should be payed 5 or 7 mil. not in the 15 or 20 range.So in my opinion only full strenght Dwight is a surefire max player at the center position,the fact that he is not alone in this regard is just a sad reminder of lowering the standards and accepting half assed results.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You realize Max Contract is not and has never been a representation of just the best players at each position right? Signing a 22 year old to a Max is as much about what he does for you going forward as it is about what he does today. He’s worth the max, he’s more worth it then anyone who got a max last summer except Harden. .
    And why are you talking about protecting the paint, and rebounding. Wall is a PG. those things are irrelevant

  • clydesays

    I’ve liked Wall as player since UConn, I just don’t think he’s a max player. He is younger & will probably be healthier that Arenas was, so if you’re using Agent Zero’s deal as a measure, sure. Max Wall. But if you’re comparing Wall to top level PG’s in the league right now, he’s average at best. In terms of stats, the Wiz will definitely use those & his durability issues to argue against a max deal.
    He’s a solid young player, who could improve & be great. I’ve seen him be brilliant at times. But not a max level guy unless he can be a lot more consistent & play 75-80 games a year.

  • speedy

    That is yelling franchise man. Sorry, that I had doubts, but if they have the same record as the bulls, that are playing bad lately, and Wall is leading his team to a 18-15 record he got to be the man.
    Don’t worry about his injuries or that you never saw him play at least one full season with a wining record.

  • Youngindy21

    Yeah Hibbert got a max but he is also the defensive anchor for the best defensive team in the league and the 2nd best team in the East. You saw what happen when the Pacers played the Clippers without Hibbert. Chris Paul got to the rim very easily and the Clippers scored 50+ points in the paint. Plus Hibbert was an All-Star last season. I’m sorry but John Wall isn’t a vital piece to his team so he doesn’t deserve a max contract.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    He played every game last season. His durability issues are slightly overblown. .
    And this is the first yea he’s been on anything close to a competent roster. And they are winning with him, and mainly because of him.

  • Max

    Take Hibbert of the Pacers and they are still the 7th seed at worst.
    Take Wall of the Wizards and you get a team worse than the freakin bobcats, with him they would be the 8th seed.

  • speedy

    Yeah like you said. Franchise!!!
    Incredible winning record of 18-15 over complete 33 games and only 50 games missed in his first three seasons.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    let’s ignore everything else.
    let’s act like the Wizards have a better option.
    let’s act like some other team isn’t going to give Wall the Max he deserves.
    let’s act like there are 5 players in history to do what Wall has done at this age
    let’s act like being 18-15, after a 5-28 start isn’t proof of a drastic effect.
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    and now we are you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lillard is better than Wall at shooting.

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    There is not one other thing he does better than Wall.

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    And even at that, he still doesn’t have as high of a PER, which is basically an incomplete way to measure a complete player by over valuing his offense.

  • speedy

    And now you are pissed.

    I didn’t act like the Wiz got a better option.
    I didn’t act like …
    Just said he has a lot to prove and a long way to go before considering himself a franchise player. This label is reserved for guys, that accomplished more than stat sheed filling.

    One other thing dude.
    They lose all the gone seasons because of all the knuckleheads, but they are only winning because of him?

  • Datkid

    NBK is right…stats don’t lie homeboy.

  • Datkid

    The wizards are literally a lottery team without Wall. Give him a max, let beal develop with him, keep those shooters around and upgrade your big men, and washington can contend in a couple years.

  • Datkid

    Wall is and has always been the best player on that wizards team. and if these last 20 or so games have been any indication, he can get MUCH better. give that boy the max.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    How many times does the 5-28 with the new guys have to be said before it hits you that they literally didn’t start winning until Wall started playing? The effect was instant.
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    And he’s proven he’s as much of a franchise guy as a 22 year old who isn’t LeBron James, Kevin Durant, or Derrick Rose can. But a max contract undervalues those guys, so comparing him to them doesn’t work.
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    A max deal is NOT reserved for guys who accomplished more than stat sheet stuffing. If it were, there would only be like 8 of them in the whole league. Sh*t, James Harden would still have something to prove under that stupid ass premise.
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    A max deal should be reserved for a player you can build around. Or one half of the players you plan on building around (John Wall & Bradley Beal — Kevin Durant & Russell Westbrook — Kyrie Irving and a player to be named soon enough hopefully). And there are different types of max deals, it’s not like a max for John Wall is the same thing as a max to LeBron James.
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    John Wall has proven that when healthy (he missed 13 games his rookie year, 0 games his second year, and now 33 this year because of a non-serious knee surgery) he can put up elite level stats for an adolescent (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html#2011-2012-sum:per_game) – and when surrounded by even below average overall talent (5-28 without him) he can have such a drastic effect that they would compete for a 6 seed in their conference (18-15 with him).
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    Of course, there are risks. But he is 100% worth a max contract. The alternative is losing him for less, or even worse, nothing.
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    You have a #1 pick, who is performing at a top 10 level at his position before he’s turned 23, and is clearly improving every player on your roster (your Rookie #3 overall pick more than anyone at that), giving him a max contract, or some variation of it (be it a 4 year max that you match from another franchise – or an interest laden 5 year max that stipulates a minimum number of games played to get full pay) is a no brainer. it really, really, is.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    with him, they would have the exact same record as the Celtics and Bulls

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Oden hasn’t expressed any interest in Phoenix. Only Miami and Cleveland, for whatever reasons. – I’ve been saying for a while, i’d be hanging out outside the Phoenix Medical staff office every day until i either am a member of the team or can be sure i’ll never need surgery again lol

  • speedy

    FRANCHISE PLAYER are the key words in my comments read again.

    Give him your max money their isn’t a better option like you said with all your comments and you are right.
    franchise franchise franchise franchise franchise franchise.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    your tone is the key to your comments. saying FRANCHISE while being sarcastic and pompous doesn’t do anything

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Whoa. Doc Rivers would like a word with you buddy. Any best coach list that doesn’t have Doc right behind Pop is invalid.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    If Carmelo is a max dude than John Wall is a max dude. Brandon Jennings should never get the max ever.

  • speedy

    I started being an asshole after you wouldn’t stop telling me why he deserves a max contract, when I argue, that he is a franchise player

    (for me a franchise player needs some more accomplishments in the history of his franchise, then a guy who gets a max contract) after 3 seasons in which he never made the playoffs or had a winning record till now and missed 50 games because of injury.
    I say it again he is good but not a franchise player.

  • bibby

    Per game numbers aren’t the best indicator of his current level of production. His numbers per 36 min, in his rookie season were 15.6 pts & 7.9 ast/ Sophmore #’s were 16.2 pts & 7.9 ast.

    This year his per 36 stats are 18.2 pts & 8.7 ast, while shooting 44%, so he’s actually on pace to have the best season of his career.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i know that. i said, “in effect” meaning, if you just take the per game numbers for what they are. – just to show he’s not drastically improved, or is showing an ability, or improvement that would be viewed as an anomaly.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol, how about arguably the 2nd best coach in the league. although you are right, i would have Thibs 3rd, but i’m sure quite a few people would argue otherwise.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh ok, so you started being a d*ckhead because you started arguing something on your own, without giving any indication of doing so to anyone. Infact, you were commenting about being a franchise player and his contract in the same damn sentences.
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    Whatever you want to define as a franchise player is your own opinion.
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    That doesn’t change anything. For anyone.
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    He’s still worth a max contract (“Franchise player” or not by your definition.) – And he will still get a max contract.
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    So i don’t know why you changed the subject mid conversation, nor does it really matter.

  • speedy

    We need to stop this now. Our opinions will not match.

  • pposse

    im pretty sure playa was talking about Hibbert not being a max player when after you responded to @max comment about Hibbert being a max player

  • LeroyShonuff

    So slighty above .500 is max? So by that logic Brandon Jennings is max. He has actually been to the playoffs and he is only 22. So your telling me that you can build a title contending team around John Wall in the next 5years? Let’s not forget about the salary cap and comparable talent league wide? John Wall is max??? C’mon son

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if i was replying to Max about Roy Hibbert it would have showed up under the Roy Hibbert comment. Not in the same group as all of his other replies.
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    I was replying to, “he still has max potential, imo”

  • dubs4life

    lol….uh YAAAA. If Curry didn’t get a max deal, no way in hell do you deserve it. PLEASE.

  • LeroyShonuff

    So one good half a year is max??? What about the previous years? I have seen you rip Brandon Jennings countless times yet he has never until this year played with league avg offensive players which forces him to do more. Now that Jennings actually has talent over the past month, his numbers have been considerable better than Wall’s. And his team is better. And If I was the wizards, I would take a ran at Eric Bledsoe and build around Beal. Beal should get that 5year max over wall…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Oh. My. God.

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    is Kevin Love worth a max? will Kyrie Irving be worth a max?
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    See how quickly stupid ass ideas like how far above .500 a team is becomes irrelevant?

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    and yes you can build a title contending team around Wall in 5 years, you would have to get extremely lucky to do so, but it’s possible.
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    that isn’t what a Max is necessarily about tho. Stop looking at every max contract like it should only be reserved for the very best players at this moment. Max contracts don’t pay guys that are the very best anything close to what they are worth.
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    Not paying John Wall the max, will leave you with nothing.
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    SO ask yourself, is not giving John Wall the max, worth losing him for nothing?

  • pposse

    Most people I’ve talked to out here in DC don’t think john wall is a max player; i seen him play, he’s good, real good. I like the way he plays defense and he has pg skills. Some say he only has one speed, i see that. Its tough to give him max dollars cause i dont know what kind of talent to surround him with to make a serious run at the playoffs/title when max dollars are thrown at him. I wouldnt give him max dollars and just explain to him that he is no d rose or chris paul. Plus the fact that he keeps mentioning this is rubbing me the wrong way.

  • LeroyShonuff

    You do not have to be extremely lucky. You have to have a dynamic Talent I.e Young Kobe, Bron, Durant, Rose and even yes Irving whose game shows that he makes his teammates better. Also Love isn’t a max player, Rubio is. And in terms of stupid ideas, you sir brought up the wizards record as some sort of justification. By that same logic that you used, Historically Wall is not worth it while Jennings is closer to it. Same with Lawson and Curry. And not paying Wall does not leave you with nothing. They can always let him play out next year and trade him assets.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    He’s been good since he stepped foot on the court.
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    And Jennings, along with being an inefficient, shoot-first Point, is a horrible defensive player. The idea that he is as good as Wall, or has ever been is a clear sign that a person doesn’t really pay attention, or know what they are talking about. One or the other.

    .And, NO, Brandon Jennings has not been better than Wall lately. And his team hasn’t been much better either (Bucks are 6-4 in March, Wizards are 5-5).

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    Actually, since March started? Wall has been better than Jennings. And almost any other PG in the league at that.

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    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01/gamelog/2013/#159-168-sum:pgl_basic <– John Wall in March

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    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jennibr01/gamelog/2013/#268-277-sum:pgl_basic <— Brandon Jennings in March

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    You were saying?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he wouldn’t be getting as much money as Derrick Rose or Chris Paul. His max, is not the same as theirs. It’s not comparable.

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    “The maximum amount of money a player can sign for is contingent on the number of years that player has played and the total of the salary cap. The maximum salary of a player with 6 or fewer years of experience is either $9,000,000 or 25% of the total salary cap (2010–11: $14,511,000), whichever is greater. For a player with 7–9 years of experience, the maximum is $11,000,000 or 30% of the cap (2010–11: $17,413,200), and for a player with 10+ years of experience, the maximum is $14,000,000 or 35% of the cap (2010–2011: $20,315,400)”

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    The only caveot to these rules is what is dubbed “The Derrick Rose Rule” which stipulates that a player finishing his rookie contract to make 30 percent of a team’s salary cap — up from 25 percent — if he’s twice been voted an All-Star starter, twice been voted All-NBA or won an MVP award. Rose, 23, is the reigning MVP.

  • LeroyShonuff

    so what do we judge by? Dunks? Ability to dougie? Waves?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i brought up the Wizards record with Wall, compared to the Wizards record without. I didn’t just bring up their record and say, “hey looky here! they are above .500, give him his monies!” – Which, even if you did compare it to Jennings, 18-15 is a better winning % than 34-32, so AGAIN, you are wrong. Even inside of being wrong, the point you made was wrong.

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    Use the business side of your brain.

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    Let Wall play out next year? at 7 million dollars? leaving him as an Restricted Free Agent in the Summer of 2014? GOOD PLAN. That’ll surely net you some “assets”……. or it’ll just force you to sign him to a max contract, because some other team offered him one.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    He’s 22. And he’s under contract for another year before this really even matters.

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    There are not 4 players in the history of the NBA who have done that, stat wise, at that age.

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    Pretty telling of a max guy

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Gilbert/100001749589586 Mike Gilbert

    per 36 min

    btw I see I’ve read nearly all of the comments you’ve left on this page and you are really neglecting what the Wizards would do if they let John Wall go. Even if Wall didn’t deserve a max, there is nothing the Wizards can do after letting Wall go in the next 3-5 years or so to make them a better team then if they give him the max

  • TR

    Like I said, John Wall has been getting busy against some bad teams. The Wizards haven’t played anyone good this month and when they do John Wall’s production usually goes down. Lillard is a better BASKETBALL player. More skilled in every aspect. Not to mention he’s a rookie. His upside is as big as Wall’s if you ask me despite the age. BTW this month Lillard is putting up 22 points, 7 assists and 3 boards on 49% shooting, and 41% from 3.

  • RKJ92

    Umm.. Wall went to Kentucky.. :S

  • RKJ92

    Only William Hung is on Bargnani’s level.. even then he would probably get outrebounded and bullied in the post

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Wall’s stats this month are better. But that doesn’t matter to you because of who he played.
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    Lillard who is already much more mature as a player than most people his age, and not as athletic as Wall, is already a worse defender and is 2 months older would typically be seen as having less potential but that doesn’t matter to you because he shoots better and is a rookie.
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    So it doesn’t matter that Wall has been the better player. It doesn’t matter that Walls team is doing better.
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    Lillard is just better because of some arbitrary belief that he is so much better against good teams, and so happened to come out of College later.

  • JB

    who’s john wall?

  • http://www.facebook.com/starkpwnsyou Joshua Maria Peter Bautista

    The Wizards are ridiculously dismal without Wall in the lineup, and with him they were able to beat elite teams and have a record that stands at at least .500.

  • http://www.facebook.com/starkpwnsyou Joshua Maria Peter Bautista

    Jesus, i’ll pay him max to play on my team if they don’t.

  • speedy

    Give him your money and we will see.
    Now stop.

  • nate james

    They should have a poll and see. Ask all the gms how many og them would sign wall to a max deal. I’d say about 15% would. I myself wouldn’t. Its about team basketball. The more money you sink I to one guy. The less you have for a better team.

  • iceman

    i don’t blame him if hes going to play for the bullets for christ sake he better get a max deal ,otherwise go on a contender for a little less, I cant speak for him but imo I don’t think he wants to be playing for that ownership,

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    that’s why he’s coming out with a statement like that to force there hand, so he wins if they pay him the max and he wins if they don’t bc he’ll leave a horrible ownership group in place of a contender and gets to save face aka(they didn’t want to pay me for what i’ve done for them so I felt slighted and left for less) and get paid at the same time.

  • makoface

    i dunno about a max guy but he has the potential. i thought he wouldve reached an all star game by his third year- people said he had westbrook/rose/paul/parker type talent. i dont think he s anywhere on par with those guys. Those are the guys that deserve max deals. wizards management would be wise to offer him something less than that, maybe 70 over five. but then again- seeing as how hard it is to attract a marquee name to town- maybe a guy like him is worth is to a smaller market team.

  • Omar

    The Wizards would be hurt if they give him a max deal.

    If he were a max guy, he wouldn’t have to beg for one. He needs to worry more about his jumper than a max deal.

  • JL

    I don’t think he’s really that bad in terms of durability. He does however turn it over alot. if you are banking on a guy to be your best player, and your PG at that, who turns it over 3.5 times a game, that’s not good. Though Durant turns it over alot too, and he’s not even a PG. I’m just afraid of him turning into a Steve Francis type. Though his assist numbers are way better than Stevie Franchise. It’s just if you are paying him the max, you are buying into his future value. I like him as a player, but he has a lot to prove before he’s a max player. However if you look at westbrook, he’s not that far. Just need to improve that jumper a little more and they are almost identical!

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