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Thursday, April 25th, 2013 at 11:00 am  |  116 responses

Dwyane Wade ‘Chuckled’ When Monta Ellis Said He’s Just as Good


Earlier this season, Monta Ellis told the world that he thinks that minus a couple of NBA championships and a few wins, he’s in the same category as Dwyane Wade. Everyone had a hearty laugh over the comments, including Wade. Per the Miami Herald: “I looked at it and I chuckled in a sense,’ Wade said. ‘But if I’m a bar for somebody, I don’t mind that. Monta is a talented, talented guard. But obviously, I feel my game is a little bit different. I’m not just a scorer. I do everything on the floor, my whole career I’ve done it. That’s where I separate myself from others … [But] I look at what Kobe Bryant does. I know I need championships to be where he’s at, to even be in the category with him as a player.’”

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  • http://www.facebook.com/officialjohng John Gustanar

    He don’t play Defense like Wade lmao FOH

  • LLC#12

    So did most people

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    So did we.

  • fruizm

    Monta is a beast I dont care what anybody says!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003246310246 Jason Carter

    in other words wades saying get some hardware.

  • LP

    Monta is a beast, he’s just hasn’t had the luxury to be playing in MIAMI with some franchise stability and in a prime location to attract free agents…..been on the west coast struggling to get the team relevant all by his self for a while…

    Wade has the edge, but he’s not head and shoulders above Monta, in my opinion…..I think Miami is still almost as good as they are if they have Monta instead of Wade…..

    And Wade wasn’t chuckling when Spoelstra almost benched him for being a slouch last year against Indiana…
    Monta Fan, btw…

  • RKJ92

    Then IMO your a joke

  • Drig

    We’re not considering D here…..are we? Because Monta isn’t head and shoulders above Wade as far as his O goes. Neither does he impact the game enough ala Kobe to give him a pass.

  • Cortez Mack

    He is just as good.

    …on NBA 2k13.

    In real life? Not so much.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Wade was “almost” benched because he was hurt. Dummy.
    .
    And yes, Wade is head and shoulders better than Ellis. It’s not even kinda close.

  • Blarmac

    Classic Clyde Drexler-MJ comparisons.

  • chad

    Loved Monta here at Golden State, but he’s no where in the same category as Wade. He said this back in December and it needs to be let go. He quote is everywhere now-a-days leave the boy alone

  • http://twitter.com/trueballer4lif1 Melvin flynt

    dwade is much better than monta! hes good but not like wade..

  • spit hot fiyah

    montay elli have it all…

  • LP

    In my opinion = Key words. I said Wade is better,but he isn’t miles and miles and miles ahead of Monta… I don’t how you guys figure everyone has to have then same thoughts and opinions…..you asshat.

  • LP

    *You’re……”Your” spelling is a joke. See how i properly used that in a sentence ?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh that’s cute. you think because you typed, “in my opinion” it can’t be wrong. precious.

  • pposse

    D Wade = top 5 talent in the league

  • Anthony Dixon

    lol you should have known nbk and RKJ92 were going to crucify you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    right, let’s be real, we all know i can’t let nonsense like that slide

  • Anthony Dixon

    lollol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I* is supposed to be capitalized, joker.

  • dirtydizzle

    You also have a space between your last word and question mark.

  • dirtydizzle

    Stats alone show Wade is better. I’m gonna go with that for now.

  • LP

    Lol I knew they would…..ironically, theyre the ones acting like the Jesus Christs of Slam’s trash talk column…..no but really, you guys are acting like nobody can be mentioned in the same breath as wade…. Regardless of health, he WAS ON THE COURT. And he was awful at times… Last year,and initially this year…. So there’s that… I didn’t say he was better, but hes up there……

  • LP

    You’re an excuse type of person ,i see…..he was hurt, but he was on the court…. OK. If he’s on the court,I’m judging his performance……. If he sucks, he sucks… Go sit down and get healthy if being hurt is your excuse.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nobody is using excuses dummy. they won the championship.
    .
    you brought it up, incorrectly. so i corrected you.
    .
    nothing has anything to do with excuses.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Monta Ellis just put up the worst shooting season from 3 in NBA history. The team was better when he was sitting.
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    nobody cares if you think someone is close to Wade…..as long as it actually makes sense……Monta Ellis? nope. Not even kinda close.

  • LakeShow

    If you completely forget about defense… You still can’t make an argument.

  • http://twitter.com/arthurissupreme Arthur Stewart

    Monta ellis or Jr smith?

  • Anthony Dixon

    lol true but better yet, rate your top 5 sgs from 1 to 5

  • thetruth

    False.

    Lebron
    Durant
    Kobe
    CP3
    Melo

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    “that ni66a crazy cuz!, heheheh” -dwade

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    JR!

  • LP

    Here we go with the meaningless stats…..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol meaningless stats. Coming from a guy who thinks his opinion shouldn’t be disagreed with. That’s also precious.

  • pposse

    i’m in favor of putting Wade above both CP3 and Melo for sure; mind you i said top 5 talent, not performer. Wade share’s the rock with Lebron and still averages gawdy numbers, none of those guys on the list other than Lebron really understands the sacrifices d wade has made for the success of the team.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.callihan1 Chris Callihan

    I like him, but wade is better in every aspect of the game…monta might be a tad better perimeter shooter

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Melo ain’t better than Wade, and Kobe is probably equal.

  • LP

    Bryant, wade, harden, monta, George…that’s my list….. Like i said, Monta can do it all…. He can play D ,although he’s not blocking shots like wade…. He can score at a decent percentage…. He’s there, I’d like to what happens when he opts out and can take less money to play for a good team….see what happens when he has more talent around him, because we’ve never seen that,right? Players need to be around more talent to win, ask LeBron. Right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.callihan1 Chris Callihan

    That’s a tough argument, either way. Hard to leave CP3 and Melo out of it. I think if you say top 6 and include Wade, no one would argue with you. P.S. a healthy mamba is in this group IMO.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    No offense, but you offered an outlandish opinion without bothering to offer in facts to back it up.
    That isn’t acceptable.

  • LP

    You can disagree all you want……but after awhile, you’re gonna turn into skip Bayless. That ain’t what you want.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    Stop with your irrelevant logic dude. I’m so sick of you using logical stats to prove your point. It’s clear that being a fan of one player over another proves that he’s equal or just as good. Damn dude…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Sure, the day I start saying nonsense like the opinion you seem to proudly carry. Until then…

  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.callihan1 Chris Callihan

    Not capitalizing an I and using the incorrect form of you’re are on 2 separate levels of grammar incompetence.

  • Guest

    You guys and your grammar skills…tehe

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ahh yes, when someone is less incompetent, it makes sense for them to point out someone else being more so, just because they are frustrated. My fault.

  • playa

    Monta is as good as Dwyane…in alternative reality,alternative to this world.

  • danpowers

    monta ellis is a turnover mashine and one of the least efficient scorers in the nba, he also gambles for steals in the passing lanes too often, giving his team more problems than benefits on d. i dont care how talented and athletically gifted he is: since he doesnt fix these flaws hes nowhere near wade. that was really a good laugher when he claimed that.

    this is also not about luxury of having a great supporting cast. just check wades stats b4 the big three. he was the man on a weak team and his efficiency was still sky high. scoring, passing, defense, off ball movement: monta is nowhere near that (yet). he has all the tools to get to the same level but he has to proof first that he has the discipline and brain

  • Anthony Dixon

    ellis over joe Johnson , you crazy lol

  • LP

    Im sorry, I’ll submit my essay,which will include my googled stats, by noon tomorrow.

  • LP

    I don’t have to check Wades stats before the big 3, i know how good wade was….He won a title averaging like 40 a game in the finals…(don’t quote me)…….. Monta did numbers in GS by himself also (the TOs come with the territory) …RIGHT NOW, if you replaced Wade with Monta in MIAMI, there wouldn’t be a huge dropoff of production and the numbers WILL look the same….Monta do a lot of things that wade does….

  • LP

    I like Joe but….i just didn’t see it from him this year…so I had to slide him out…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “He can play D” – yeah, he can do the activity. and he can do it well. but he doesn’t. he does things like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkEyUM6epV4

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    “He can score at a decent percentage” – TS% of .498, EFG% of .443, so i guess “decent” works. Key word being DECENT.

    -

    But then you factor in the amount of chucking……the guy shoots 17.5 shots a game to score 19.2 points…..that isn’t decent. that’s awful if that’s your leading scorer.

    .

    Let’s also note he gets 6.0 assists a game, along with 3.2 turnovers. So he’s a decent passer.

    .
    So we have a guy who really puts no effort into defense, or loses concentration. and he does it enough to be awful overall. He scores, decently. He passes, decently. And you think somehow, he’s a top 4 Shooting Guard?

  • fruizm

    Its kinda sad that you know so many stats…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah that’s my bad. my logical ramblings are just a waste of thought when you factor in favoritism. favoritism > science

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i am really sad about my memory too.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    uhhhhhhhhh, just look at the team Dwyane Wade carried to the playoffs in 2010 —– http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2010.html

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    Monta has been on a better, healthier team than that, EVERY YEAR OF HIS CAREER.

  • danpowers

    thanx lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    pretty tough to even say that about Kobe considering how he completely disregarded defense altogether this season. but, not really arguing, just being annoying.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    Now you’re finally getting the hang of this internet thing.

  • Max

    LOL, Monta playing even worse D than on the playground.

  • Max

    That’s such a stupid thing to say man..

  • danpowers

    dude… what brings u to that assumption? wade has always had a way higher fg%, true shooting % and effective fg%. as a sideorder u get the best shot blocking guard ever behind or next to jordan. he plays more disciplined and smarter on both ends of the floor. how the hell on earth do you think that ellis could turn around 180 degrees just by playing for the heat?

    but youre right, the heat wouldnt really lose a beat if you exchanged wade with ellis. same goes for the wings harden, bryant, jr smith, ginobili, george, a healthy granger, batum, mayo, iguadala, joe johnson, derozan, gay shame on me if i forgot someone. they wouldnt equal wades quality but not really let the team win significantly less games and they’d more or less fill in the stat sheet with some more rebounds, assists, and maybe higher fg% than they do now. and most of them would do that even better than ellis.

    the difference between most guys including ellis compared to wade is, that wade proved to be very efficient even without his great supporting cast. ellis is not in the same class with wade, its not even close

  • Ben Ireland

    Monta is shooting like 29% on 3′s this season, and 42% overall… Sorry, Wade is better in every single way. Except confidence obviously.

  • danpowers

    …he just doesnt use what he got efficiently

  • Ugh

    Yeah, but Anthony Peeler was a “top five NBA talent, not performer”. Do you know who he is?

  • Ugh

    Top comment.

  • Ugh

    You made excuses for why Wade is better than Ellis – stability of franchise, prime location, luxury of free agents, etc. So… hypocrite!

  • LP

    Oh no….. Don’t give me the stats essay….other than the 3 i named, name 5 SGs better…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    (Definitely)
    Paul George
    Andre Iguodala
    Joe Johnson
    Jr Smith

    (Depends on Situation)
    Kevin Martin

    (When healthy and happy)
    Eric Gordon
    .
    are better.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i think i put that much effort in while watching a game yesterday

  • LP

    you lost me when you started naming Small Forwards….Maybe you are late to the convo, because i’ve already said Wade is better than him. Stop trying to drive that point across.

  • The Seed

    Here’s the real question, if Monta played with Lebron, could he do the same thing Wade does? Wade is not a defensive stopper, he plays the passing lanes and he hurt all the time. He is averaging 20 a game. To think Monta cannot get 20 a game with Lebron and look as good as Wade is straight dumb talk. This is not 2004-2009. Wade is different now, he cannot do what he used too. Monta can play, he just has never played on any great teams. Monta on Heat with their talent could do the same things. Stop acting like Wade is not killing it up now. He is once every few games. Lets be HONEST!!

  • danpowers

    wings, son. the line between 2s and 3s became very blurry and you could any of those as a 2 too. i couldve also left gay, granger and batum out. the message is still the same. even between wade and ellis are a handfull of guys.

    fine if u said so, then you just dont have a point as all as its damn sure that ellis wouldnt thrive in a way that could compare to wade if he was on the heat.

  • Peter griffin

    Monta is a good player, but he’s not better than d wade. Simple as that. We all know it.

  • shockexchange

    Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings should perform on the Apollo.

  • pposse

    yeah KG’s former teammate in Minnesota. That dude was a bum, D Wade is one of the best SG’s of all time, zero comparison.

    If you were to start a team and only had one yr d wade would be one of the first five guys i would take…that’s what i’m saying

  • JessicaJ

    Monta is too old for this. He’s been in the league long enough to establish his own name. Don’t need to compare himself to others.

  • http://twitter.com/DeonSHarrell Deon S. Harrell

    You gotta have confidence. Otherwise, don’t even step on the floor. Good for Monta.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cardiac.is.here Evan Harris

    Tony Parker shits on CP3 every time they face each other. I’d put him in over CP3. I agree with the rest of your list though.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    This guy is ridiculous

  • Abdullah Musazay

    LP, he’s got you there.

  • Abdullah Musazay

    your all idiots.

  • http://twitter.com/jay258064 jay jay

    Lmao melo ain’t better than wade please explain to me wat wade can do that melo can’t other than tough defense. Wade can dream about having Melos jumper.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.callihan1 Chris Callihan

    Obviously I wasn’t talking about percentages…seeing as D Wade shoots like 54% from the field. I mean just pure jump shooting…spot up, pull up, etc. And you’re right, even that is arguable. But using percentages to measure a shooter, Lebron has been as good as KD from 3 this year (obviously not as good of a 3 point shooter)

  • RunNGun

    Monta Ellis… great player, just not in the category as WAD3.

  • OneStep

    In the 3 games this series Ellis is averaging 13 points per game whilst shooting a horrible percentage. He’s not exactly making a strong case for himself is he?

  • Ugh

    Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

  • pposse

    Imagine all players were put back into a draft pool, and you had the opportunity to construct a team for just one year (this year or next yr)…I am saying Wade would be one of the first 5 players drafted in this scenario. Only Lebron and KD would be drafted ahead of him with certainty. Hence him being a top 5 talent right now.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    First of all “tough defense” is a huge freaking category. Not sure how you rationalize that as being unimportant.
    Secondly, Melo rebounds at an average level for his position, Wade rebounds at a superior level for his. Wade is a far superior passer as well.
    So there are three things he does better before we even address the ability to advance past the first round.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Carmelo Anthony has the worst winning percentage in playoff history.

  • http://twitter.com/jay258064 jay jay

    Yea cuz east was really hard to begin with and KD 6’11 he should be averaging 10 rpp and if u want to talk statics go check Melos top 3-5 in hockey assist and wade wouldn’t be going anywhere if he was with Denver with injuries and inconsistent players jacking up shots (jr smith) no way anyone is gonna win. A.i was also ME type a guy so lets not start

  • nhm

    nice to see other monta fans like myself. with that said, i’m wishing that monta plays on a team with good players soon.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    B.S. The Nuggets had serious talent. Granted, they ran into the Lakers and Spurs when they both were in their prime, but Melo was inconsistent and a ball stopper. He didn’t defend and he didn’t rebound. He didn’t do the things to win. And he wasn’t a transcendent enough talent to lift the play of his teammates.
    Stop making excuses. He wasn’t as good as Wade. Wade went to the Finals by going through Detroit, and he would have beaten them twice if he hadn’t gotten hurt.
    He got out of the first round as a rookie! Stop making excuses of Melo.

  • Ben Ireland

    You’re right, but I’d argue that shot selection is a big part of who’s a better shooter, and Wade KILLS him there. And the difference if both were wide open is negligible at best! And of course I agree KD’s a better shooter, the man’s open when he crosses halfcourt, but is it at all possible we’re underrating LeBron’s shooting? At a certain point, you can’t be on fire for an entire season, you’re just a good shooter, right? (I sound like Anti-Skip Bayless lol)

  • Ben Ireland

    I really wanna see this essay… You’re literally gonna have to make up stats to write it. Or go wildly specific with some bizarro trivia… “Monta is better at shooting from 15.7 feet with between 15 and 17 seconds on the shot clock.” Otherwise, it’s not even a conversation, Wade is better. Measurably so.

  • LP

    Please find, then ‘Copy and Paste’ from my comments where I said “Monta is better than Wade”….. I’ll wait for you….

  • LP

    No, Im saying want to see Monta in a more stable franchise, etc etc…..These are not excuses why wade is better or why monta is not as good…… Wade is a better player, so why would i use excuses…..Wade has been playing with better players, agree or disagree???

    Saying “Wade was hurt, thats why he played bad”? thats an excuse…a blatant excuse.

  • LP

    THATS all i’m asking for…I wanna see him on a better team….

  • LP

    late response but….

    Peep This:
    Monta states he is as good as Wade. I’ve ACTUALLY disagreed with him, because I’m saying, “No Monta, Wade is better than you. But I think you’re closer to him and his skill set than most others think.”

    And then you bombard me with meaningless bull$ht stats like the one you’ve posted above, as if I said, “Yep, Monta, you know what, you’re better than Wade. And Wade sucks, by the way.”

    The END. cmon, dont try to make a debate out of nothing, Mr. Bayless…lol ….

  • LP

    Eric gordon is as healthy as an AIDs patient (not magic). JR smith? iggy? ok…

  • LP

    Thank you! Wade aint “flash” no more….

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you realize just about everyone thinks what you said was idiotic right? i was just trying to show you why. not change your mind. i don’t care what you think, i just like to make sure an intelligent POV is present to offset the stupid ass sh*t others, like you, say.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Eric Gordon is fine. He is unhappy, and moping. But he’s fine. Keep believe ESPN tho. That is serving you really well so far.
    .
    Iggy is much much better than Ellis. You don’t understand that? you are really that ignorant?
    .
    seriously, say whatever, i’m not going to respond. You clearly don’t know what you are talking about.

  • Ben Ireland

    Significantly better then. Not head and shoulders, more like a Shaq sized amount.

  • http://twitter.com/jay258064 jay jay

    Making excuses is not even close to what I’m saying all I’m saying is wade would notttttt be going anywhere in the west against lakers spurs Dallas hell even Phoenix was dominate.
    and don’t tell me Denver had tell who was there talent other than melo and a.i and who was there post players and don’t look at Kenyon’s injured knees and nenes foot and cancer isusse. Look what happen when they got him Chauncey billups

  • DL

    How good is Monta? He may not be as good as his former teammate Stephen Curry. Some Warriors fans were upset Ellis got traded to the Bucks. But I don’t think Ellis would carry the Warriors like Curry has against the Nuggets. Ellis is a long away from any superstars.

  • Caboose

    Is that for real?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    For players that qualified with like 20 career playoff games yeah. That was at the start of the post season. They showed it on ESPN

  • Caboose

    Wow.

  • tDUB

    Everyone says wades lost it but his numbers and highlights are still better than monta. He’s shares with lebron and still blows mont a out of the water

  • tDUB

    first three guys better. Cp3 averaged 16 and 9 assists, 4 rebounds. melo 28 and 7 rebounds, almost 3 assist. Wade 21 5 and 5. Wade blocks shots better, cp3s got a slight edge on him on steals. Melos defensive numbers are @$$. Melos got them on scoring, but wade and paul are prime passers. You can say chris pauls the best pg in the game. You can say melos the best scorer in the game. You can say wades has one of the best overall games behind lebron and durant. its a tough race.

  • candlewood jay

    NBK stands for No Basketball Knowledge

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    It took you 6 months to come up with that?

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