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Friday, May 31st, 2013 at 10:00 am  |  144 responses

LeBron James Went Back to His ‘Cleveland Days’ in Game 5


by Marcel Mutoni @ marcel_mutoni

With Chris Bosh (7 points) and Dwyane Wade (10 points) nowhere to be found, and the Miami Heat in danger of falling down a 3-2 hole in the Eastern Conference Finals, LeBron James realized he had to go back to his old, Cleveland Cavaliers ways.

James did it all for the Heat in the second half of Game 5 against the Indiana Pacers, scoring 16 of his game-high 30 points in the third quarter, and putting the game — and perhaps, the entire series — out of reach.

LeBron talked about the necessity he felt to completely take over, ensuring a crucial 90-79 victory.

Per the Indy Star:

“That’s LeBron showing his greatness and making it look easy,” Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said. “His engine in that third quarter was incredible. He was tireless. He was making plays on both ends of the court, covering so much ground defensively, rebounding, making virtually every play for us offensively. It’s really remarkable and a testament to his conditioning and obviously his greatness, his ability to make big plays when you need it.”

Said James: “I just kind of went back to my Cleveland days at that point and just said, ‘Hey, let’s try to make more plays and be more of a scoring threat as well,’ and just see if the guys would follow me, and just lead them the best I could.”

It wasn’t entirely a one-man show for the Miami Heat, though it certainly felt that way. After James and Juwan Howard screamed at their teammates during the halftime break, Udonis Haslem was huge in the second half, hitting numerous open jumpers and finishing with 16 points (having gone 8-of-9 from the field.)

The series now shifts back to Indiana for Game 6, and James may need to pull off yet another super-human effort to thrust these Heat back into the NBA Finals, where — speaking of “Cleveland days” — the San Antonio Spurs await.

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  • shockexchange

    It was great to see The Kang in attack mode, focused on “The Rules.”

  • Dfrance

    Um… I thought LeBron came to Miami to get away from his “Cleveland Days.”

  • Sizzle

    The thing that is so great about him is he can be anyone he wants on any given day. Sometimes he is more magic, last night he was more Michael.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Agreed, but what choice does he have with Wade and Bosh putting up Boobie and Gooden numbers?

  • i_ball

    Bosh is shooting threes and has 3.6 Rebounds per game – this is Barganish.

  • Dfrance

    None, I just hope he’s not happy about it because they can’t win that way.

  • pposse

    yeah, he doesnt score anywhere near the rate of MJ; LBJ still has 0 60 pt games in his career, and only 9 50 pt games – All with the Cavs btw. Its absurd to critisize someone for having 9 50 pt games i know i know, but is relative to the point your trying to make about being able to be “anyone he wants on any given day”

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    Co-sign, there’s no way Miami repeats having to rely on Chalmers and Haslem as much as they have.

  • R32

    The King putting Miami on his back! Can’t say enough about Haslem too, stepping up when desperately needed.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    I honestly feel both Wade & Bosh will be non factors if they advance. With the declining health of Wade coupled with Duncan abusing Bosh in the paint LeBron will have to be Superman and Hulk combined.

  • z

    So you believe he couldn’t score 60 if he wanted to?

  • The Mighty FV

    How does it put ‘perhaps the series out of reach’ when in the next sentence you write ‘crucial victory’?

  • pposse

    I have to see it to believe it buddy. Its not like MJ thought to himself “hey today im going to drop 60 pts” and then done that on 5 separate occasions. LBJ is just not a scorer like that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Um, no. He has a varied game with a lot of skills, obviously. He cannot emulate Magic, let alone the GOAT.

  • z

    MJ also didn’t get triple doubles like Lebron but I don’t question how well rounded a ball player he was. Focusing on the parts of your game that help get wins doesn’t equate to being incapable of doing something else. And lets not act like Jordan didn’t drop 60 and lose. He became a winner when he decided there is more to basketball. If you doubt that the premiere physical specimen in the league, who also happens to be skilled, couldn’t score 60 then you are buggin’. The questions is, does scoring 60 get Lebron a win? That seems to matter to him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/braxton.hartnabrig.1 Braxton P Hartnabrig

    Bron 50 balled the magic while in a Heat uniform

  • GladysKnightAndThePippens

    I do remember that LeBron scored 51 against the Magic in his first season with the Heat. So yeah, that’s 1 game with 50+ points playing for Miami.

  • pposse

    man read the whole thread i responded to the quote “he can be anyone wants on any given day” – triple doubles is an arbitrary barometer on juding a player and his well roundness. MJ was a well rounded player, but even still i’m not arguing MJ’s well roundness vs Lebron. Its MJ’s scoring vs Lebron which MJ has a clear cut advantage. Yeah i get that Bron will never go for 60 bc he is more concerned about winning, but even if he did shoot for 60 he probably would come up short. I never seen him near that amount in the context of the game, like i said i have to see it to believe it. Just cause he’s a physical specimen doesnt mean he can score at will. If he plays like he did in game 3, and was force fed the ball more then maybe, but you seen what happened in game 4 when he went back to the post right? He aint a consistent all time great scorer as in top 5 scorer all time.

  • Sizzle

    ^^^Not trying to call you out, but if you don’t believe he could score 60 then you should stop watching basketball.

  • pposse

    my fault your right, 1 50 pt game in 3 full seasons, i just don’t see plenty more of those coming in the future.

  • pposse

    your right 1/9 of his 50 pt explosions came when he played with the Heat

  • pposse

    lol, just look at all the players in recent history that scored 60 pts in a single game. They ALL have a scorers mentality, ALL are associated with scoring buckets. People are still torn on whether Lebron is a “pass first” guy. Lebron has a lot of skills, but lets be objective here, what part of his game makes you think that he can score 60 in 48 minutes? The jump shot? The low post game? His free throw shooting? I mean look, he’s gotten better at the mid range and is shooting a ridiculous percentage right now from 3, but didn’t he cut back from a lot of the jacking? Efficiency doesnt equate to guys dropping 60 in a single game.

  • Dagger

    Don’t take this the wrong way, but I wish that people would realize that simply declaring an opinion adds nothing to a debate. If you’re not supporting your opinion with analysis, you might as well have said nothing.

    Also, it helps to be precise. Are you saying that Lebron is not in a league with Jordan and Magic in terms of his talent, and his ability to influence a basketball game? If so, that is at odds with his statistical production and the comments of his peers. Are you saying that Lebron is not the scorer that Jordan was, and not the facilitator that Magic was? If so, I can get on board with that.

  • uqk

    “Hey, let’s try to make more plays and be more of a scoring threat as well…”

    So he’s not even trying before this?……..omg

  • playa

    I dont know what’s this fuss all about, he is THE BEST PLAYER by wide margin right now,he’s 28 – he is able to completely devastate oposition,which is perfect as he should from time to time.The problem is he will be asked of total domination&miracle play every next game till the end of the season.The rest of the supposedly CHAMPIONSHIP squad should look in the mirror and be very ashamed, they all play like a fricken role players, every single one of them & you cannot win championship with 11 role players im afraid.

  • z

    The difference between 60 and 56 is four points. You do know that right? We’re talking about 60 points. Not 81, not 100. If you have the skill set that he has, combined with his physical gifts only someone high would doubt that you could score 60 in a game. He has scored 50 plus points without really forcing the action. He played within the flow of the game pretty much every time he had big scoring games. Aside from being the resident Lebron hater around here, there is no reason that makes sense as to why you state such silly things.

  • z

    None of what you said supports the idea that Lebron is incapable. You simply stated why he may never have the desire.

    In order to have a logical debate you must present an argument, then provide tangible back up to said argument. Fact: Lebron own a scoring title or two. For a guy who doesn’t place emphasis on scoring that often, that’s a scary thought. Jacking up shots in high volumes is not a skill. Volume shooting is not a skill. You speak of his efficiency as if it hinders him from being anything but a dumb ball player and a ball hog. Are you suggesting he can’t bully his way to high point totals if he played like a reckless moron? Your arguments make no sense.

  • pposse

    he never dropped that many, so why should i believe that he can?! should i believe in fairy god mothers too? Its funny how Stans always are quick to point out who they think a ‘Hater’ stop talking your like a little fan girl screaming as soon as their momma and daddy let them out of the car and low and behold they are at the Justin Bieber concert. Lebron is your Justin Bieber playa, every fangirl needs one i guess.

  • rkirby

    At the end of the 1988-1989 season, Michael Jordan had a stretch of ten games with a triple double out of eleven. The game he didn’t get a triple double his stat line was 40/7/11. Try again.

  • pposse

    “they all have scorers mentality” – Lebron doessn’t have a scorer’s mentality, thats my argument, thats my idea, thats my thesis, that the damn hypothesis (you need a scorers mentality to drop 60 in a game). Him and KD are more involved and interested in being effcient; i have no knock on that, but being efficient doesn’t coincide with dropping 50 plus ppg let alone a 60 pt outburst. MJ, Kobe those guys mentalities are completely different from Lebrons, no one is saying whether its right or wrong (other than you) but their mindset allowed them to get high scoring outputs.

    Just cause you can’t understand an argument doesn’t mean you are the only one who knows how to make one.

  • z

    Because you were told several times that he didn’t even need to become a ball hog to reach a few points shy of that total. Because he has already showed he can bully his way to high point totals. Those are called facts. You never provide any. That’s the difference between you and most other commenters around here. You have nothing but opinions that are contrary to hard fact. That’s why you should believe that he can. And let’s not talk about fan girls with the way you carry Derrick Rose’s sack in your mouth.

  • pposse

    yeah but MJ was dropping 50 on like 34 different occasions, which is what damn near %400 more often than Lebron has ever done?! More if your counting his 60 point games. Lebron is not that kind of scorer young buck. Are those hard facts? Whats your problem? What else do you need to hear to understand that Lebron your Justin Bieber is not anywhere near the scorer MJ was.

  • z

    What if no one understands your argument? Then what is it that separates it from being pure babble? He’s a former scoring champion who scored only four points short of what you are using as the barometer for a “scorer”. He is still top 5 or 6 in scoring in the league while being more efficient than everyone in front of him. Get over it.

  • pposse

    or do you want to talk about the 172 40 pt games MJ has over Lebrons 46, which by the way is %373 more often than Lebron as of right now? How many other scoring facts do you need dummy? Was that too harsh, was i too opinionated for your liking Playa? Its all good dummy, im sure Bieber coming out with a Christmas album in the winter, until then, go to sleep

  • z

    No one said he’s a scorer like Jordan. Those facts do not support your argument that Lebron can’t score 60. Try again.

  • pposse

    Lebron can’t score 60 cause he never did..FACT

  • pposse

    plus my original argument was a rebuttal stating that Lebron can’t be whomever he chooses to be. You try to manipulate all that nonsense into Lebron can’t score 60, which i admit i said and i stand by, but don’t try and change the parameters to something you think you have a shot at, those are young moves.

  • z

    Pairing a fact with your opinion doesn’t make that statement a fact.

    Your logic is as stupid as your statement. Let me do what you did.

    I can’t go to Russia because I never have before. Fact

    You can’t type a coherent argument because you never have on Slam. Fact

    Once again, a lack of desire to do something is not the same as the inability to do it. Get a dictionary if you don’t know the difference between those two words.

  • z

    Dude, please. You get owned around here like a two dollar corner whore. You’ve yet to make anyone look like a dummy so stop.

  • Datkid

    you are being absolutely ridiculous. Scorers mentality? what are you saying? There is absolutely no reason Lebron can’t score 60 if he felt like it. What’s stopping him from doing it?

  • z

    Task for you: Re-read and comprehend the conversation. Then and only then should you post any related comments. That’s all you get for now.

  • Datkid

    I couldn’t agree more smh. pposse is really being a simpleton.

  • R.Flare

    I think he was referring to career totals, not that Jordan couldn’t get a triple double. Don’t be a posse, dude.

  • def80s

    I guess the heat will have to pray at least one player really stands out in each game other than lebron like last years series vs OKC. For example Mike Miller in game 5

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    idk he seemed focused on basketball.

  • lil hill

    I’m not reacting to any one particular but its funny how much some of you think of Michael Jordan as if he is a God LeBron is better than that dude and before I get comments about not seeing Jordan play I saw his whole career every single one of Jordan’s rivals were smaller than him just like everybody’s smaller than LeBron Jordan’s talking that BS about forcing Lebron left but it’s more like he’s going to Depot you to his left if he wants to I would love to see Jordan is prime get get angry and tried to guard Lebron and get pushed out the way just like everybody else now watch all the Jordan fans say he can do that to him he’s the best ever

  • pposse

    mainly his footwork, the repetition in his moves. The only way he drops 60 is if he gets crazy hot from the 3 pt line. Right now he doenst have the footwork to consistently beat you in the post and mid range to the tune of 60 in a single game, nor does he have a good/great ft%. Where yall think that he can, even though he never has is stupid.

  • pposse

    so thats your response to my facts huh playa? Was that a fact your stating or an opinion? Sounds like an opinion to me, your not worth it bro..

  • pposse

    that was just a case of Z veering off topic and trying to bring up LBJ’s trip dub prowess because Z has no answer/fact/opinion that can put Lebron in the same scoring sratosphere as MJ,.. playa you might just be the worst. Keep my name out your mouth, or i’ll have to continue down pouring you with facts and opinions until i’m tired of it.

  • rkirby

    The argument seems to be that Lebron doesn’t score at the rate of Jordan because that is not what is important to him. Your wording seems to hint that Lebron is a better all around player than Jordan, which I don’t believe to be the case. My previous post left out a crucial detail which is that Doug Collins switched Jordan over to the point guard position for those last eleven games, which of course entails more ball handling responsibility not much different than Lebron’s position throughout his career. I am basically saying that it’s a stupid argument given their responsibilities on their respective teams.

  • LeroyShonuff

    Wade is avg 13 a game in this series and Bosh is avg 3rebs… Wade obviously ain’t the same player. Truthfully he needs to come off the bench and pick his spots ah la a Manu. And with all of Lebron Greatness in game 3 and 5, Indy is still in this series. While Lebron has the best player in the series theory on smash, Indy has the next best three (Hibbert, West, Paul) and playing at home they can force a game 7. If Miami does advance, Miami will have a hard time beating a Spurs team that is built to defeat one man bands.

  • rkirby

    I don’t think people understand how hard it is to get 60 points in the flow of any game on any level. As of right now, there are only two active players that have scored 60+ in a game: Kobe and TMac. That’s it. If anything, that proves just how underrated that Kobe, Shaq, Iverson era’s greats were. Who knows whether KD or Lebron will ever score 60+, and we really shouldn’t care.

  • playa

    Im feeling growingly uncomfortable with my nickname being used in reference to someone else,there I said it.

  • pposse

    okay Z your right, a top 5 or 6 scorer in the L now can drop 60 pts in a single game. A former scoring champion such as Lebron and DWayne Wade can drop 60 pts in a game if they feel like it. Sure buddy, whatever you say.

  • pposse

    read the comment from rkirby. Respond to what he said.

    Reason he can’t score – cause a main portion of lebron’s game is passing to his teammates. You act like if Lebron is going for 60 the other team will just lay down and allow him to do so; no, he’s going to have to go thru double and triple teams, and Lebron passes out of those situations. Nothing is wrong with that, just yall make it seem like its some simple task to drop 60 in a game lol.

  • pposse

    sorry your young name keeps popping up then when the screen refreshes its someone else’s

  • Datkid

    stop being an idiot. we’ve both seen Lebron power through and around double teams when he wants too. Fun fact: there’s officially no area on the court where lebron can’t score at will, or create a high percentage shot from anymore. Rim,post,midrange, from 3 nowhere. and as a less skilled player, he has gotten 50+ points 9 times. This is the same guy who put 45 18 and 10 on the best defense in the league. You really don’t think that if he needed too get 60 points against a scrub team he couldn’t?? lmaooooo your lebron hate is transparent.

  • Datkid

    oh? funny how he’s dropped 50+ on people w/ a less developed post game and 3point shot. you sound MONUMENTALLY silly.

  • Sizzle

    “Lebron can’t score 60 cause he never did..FACT” – The definition of a logical fallacy

  • Datkid

    nobody said it wasn’t hard idiot. But Lebron is considerably more efficient and easily just as skilled as both Tmac and Kobe. Neither of them has ever shot anywhere near as well from anywhere as Lebron has and that’s a fact and if they and Gilbert Arenas can get 60 points jacking up shots, there is no reason Lebron can’t at least as well or better. literally none. Tmac was great in his prime. Lebron is better. stop posting stupid stuff on the internet.

  • Datkid

    lmaooooooo

  • pposse

    why don’t u respond to the other man’s comment?

    Fun Fact: is Lebron the best scorer in the L now? Can the best scorere in the L now drop 60 in a game? Has the bestscorer in the L now ever dropped 60? Is he the best rebounder or passer in the L? Is he the best at any individual one skill? Is he the most efficient ball player now? Yes. Does efficiency translate into a guy who can drop 60pts in a game? You act like he can snap his fingers and drop 60 in a game lol. Even the best scoreres like Kobe, T Mac, Iverson of yesteryear only were able to accomplish those things a total of 7 times (5 belonging to Kobe) keep acting like its easy to do, thats cute. Against a scrub team or not, dropping 60 is a damn marvel, Lebron stans are the worst

  • spit hot fiyah

    just leave him alone

  • spit hot fiyah

    it’s a nice way of saying that my teammates that are supposed to be good are really mediocre at best right now

  • pposse

    haha you got me: “Lebron cant score 60″ – better? He can’t score 60, he never has scored 60, nothing in his recent success in the NBA should make the public believe that he can drop 60 in a game. Especially since when you look at the fact that most people have their best scoring outputs within their first 10 pro years playing basketball. Especially when you see Lebron only dropped 50 pts one time in the last 3 years.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nah.

  • Datkid

    lmaooo can you read? I clearly JUST DID. and yes Lebron is the best scorer in the L, although I wouldn’t be mad if you said KD was, and yes for the millionth time he can. and no he’s not the best rebounder or passer, and yes in my opinion you can argue he’s the best scorer.

    Nobody’s acting like scoring 60 a game is easy you fool. but if you score 56 points then become better at EVERYTHING while STILL BEING AN ATHLETIC FREAK. then THERE IS NO REASON YOU CAN’T SCORE 60 on a mediocre defensive team, or really most teams if you try hard enough. If Lebron can drop 52 on NYK in 2008, There is no reason 2012 Lebron can’t go for 60+ on them. You can’t actually be this stupid.

  • Datkid

    “You’re stanning” lmao you’re retarded all of this is common sense .. Lebron had 40 in a half against a team last year. You really think if he had wanted to play garbage minutes he couldn’t have gotten 60 then and there. Stop eating lead chips bro.

  • TR

    Is it just me or does DWade not try anymore? I know hes “hurt,” but where is the passion/effort.

  • pposse

    im talking about 60 meaningful points.

    You act like scoring 20 pts in a half is a given

  • pposse

    i don know maybe cause the knicks got substantially better than 2008?

  • Datkid

    60 points is 60 points bro. and no, I’m not. I’m just saying. if he needed to do it. he could.

  • Datkid

    shut up I meant the 2008 Knicks, not the current knicks. and you knew that. but whatever I’m sick of your willful ignorance.

  • Mars

    Trolls are so gassed if they think LeBron can’t score 60. That one kid scored 100+ pts in a game, so you telling me the King can’t drop half of that? SMDH….anyways, once again i see Vogel cant coach because you have a young Pat Ewing & Kobe, and some very capable role players, and you get taken over by just LeBron. DWade and Bosh just chillin cause San Antonio aint no joke bwoy.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    This convo was entertaining to say the least.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    And Chalmers in Game 4

  • Datkid

    ugh that was exhausting. I really should’ve just ignored it and kept scrolling smh

  • LP @ThisisEther

    nope….too passive…..doesn’t have that complete scoring mentality to just “get 60 when I want to”…..don’t confuse this with “Lebron can’t score 60 at all”….if you can understand the difference…

  • pposse

    so Lebron gets to travel back in time with his 2013 skills to play against 2008 talent?! sounds like a willfully ignorant thought process to me. If Lebron can score 60 can he drop 65? how about 70? 4 pts is 4 pts bruh. Do it and no one will say anything.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    Yea you really should’ve just let it go after the first few comments bud. Oh well it made me chuckle so I’d say it was worth it lol

  • Datkid

    I REALLY shouldn’t have to say it’s a hypothetical situation… but it’s a hypothetical situation. also why would he? he’s proven he can be a great scorer. but there’s more to winning than scoring. but again it’s way dumber to assume an all time great like Lebron can’t do something than that he can. smh

  • pposse

    well then, there is only one thing left to say..on behalf of myself, Z the P, Sizzle, rkirby, datproblemkid, I would like to say thank you T-Ray its been an honor #KOC (keep on chuckling)

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    I will. Honestly I find you to be a funny insightful commenter here (no sarcasm). I like seeing different opinions and perspectives. It keeps the site lively.

  • Conor

    Roy Hibbert is no Patrick Ewing & Paul George is certainly no Kobe Bryant.

    The only time James will ever be capable of dropping sixty is when he hits seven or eight threes. Given what a rare potentiality that is, especially since his mid-range game is limited thanks to his dribbling being consistently incapable of creating sufficient space, don’t expect it to happen any time soon.

    San Antonio should beat Miami in six.

  • bill

    That’s why Z’s post ends with “if he wanted to”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    the league has changed drastically. the sheer number of 40-50-60 point games is down as a whole. judging a guy on whether or not he has scored 60 is broken. and dumb.
    .
    LeBron isn’t as good of a scorer as Jordan was. But it has nothing to do with whether or not he has ever put up 60.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Z, idk how often you read the comment section anymore, but that’s how pposse argues. you aren’t going to get through to him, he thinks you are arguing a point that you aren’t.

  • Bruce Wayne

    Excellent way to describe his game. That versatility is what makes him special.

  • Kev

    not all of his 50 point games came during his time with the cavs. he had one against the magic in his first year with the heat

  • danpowers

    play with a sore knee then you know

  • Ben Ireland

    LBJ is an insane scorer. He averages 27 a game. He could do more, without being as well rounded as he is. That he recognises he has an amazing team, and that he doesn’t need every shot is a testament to how good he really is. Literally just giving him the ball, letting him drive over and over, 60′s far from difficult for him. It’d be ugly to watch him do it that way, and I doubt he ever would, but the man’s a scorer, if he so chooses.

  • Ben Ireland

    This is exactly how this argument should be summed up. Thank you!

  • pposse

    40 50 60 it dont matter what the mark of points is, he just is not a scorer at heart and his scoring abilities should never be compared to that of MJ atleast not yet. Especially his performance yesterday, it was nice in his own right but to say that “he can be anyone on any given night” is ridiculous. A total of 0 of those buckets were probably manufactured in the same light as MJ.

  • lil hill

    wrong heat win in 5

  • Slick ric

    Exactly rkirby…..whats wrong with these guys, they think he was just a scorer…too much espn. Scottie Pippen limited MJ playmaking because he(Pippen) became the facilitator of the offense instead of MJ.

  • Slick ric

    Dude, if you you get ten damn triple doubles in eleven games, you can do it consistently through out your career as well. Again, Scottie became the facilitator of the offense so MJ didn’t need to display his all-around game as much, he became more focus on finishing/scoring.

  • pposse

    “Once again, a lack of desire to do something is not the same as the inability to do it” – so you mean to tell me that throughout Lebron James near 10 year pro basketball career the opportunity where he had to score a ridiculous amount never presented itself but the 9 times he gave the world 50?! seriously?

    he also didn’t show desire to enter the dunk contest, am i at fault for thinking that he is inable to actually win it? The way he runs away from individual glory has been consistent since day 1. He could have been the man against Dallas, but what happened in the 4th quarters. He could demonstrate this crazy scoring potential atleast once in the last 10 years, but hasn’t.

    It should be “a lack of desire to do somethin IS the same as the inability to do it”

  • Ben Ireland

    I don’t see your argument, my man… Just saying Jordan’s better doesn’t detract from Lebron’s abilities whatsoever. The man can score at will, and he’s only improving. His range has been amazing this year from 3, his post game is growing, and he’s unstoppable going to the basket… What exactly did MJ have in his repertoire that made him so much of a better scorer besides a mindset? I’m not comparing the two btw, I’m really not opening that can… But in sheer terms of volume points, LeBron can do whatever the hell he wants. It just happens that his way doesn’t involve 40 shots a night, which the Heat would absolutely give him if he asked.

  • pposse

    fadeaways, post moves, and the way creativity in which he attacks the bucket; all light years ahead of lebron. His jump shot was better too. Better ft%

  • z

    If I was suggesting that Lebron was an better all around player I would have said that. Again, re-read, comprehend, then respond. You don’t need to make up your own argument to join the convo.

  • z

    I see. That’s pretty much why I quit responding. If you have to make up an unrelated argument in order to seem like you’re making a point, I pretty much quit.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Haha I envy you. I just keep bashing my face into the wall

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    San Antonio doesn’t have the same defenders the Pacers have. People will see

  • http://twitter.com/AjpDos Allen Powell

    Wade and Bosh will look exponentially better if the Heat advance.

  • Veronica M. Davis

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  • Drig

    It was fun watching LeBron take over in the 3rd. Dude has the ability to get 60 but IMO will never break it.

    Wade’s fallen off. A LOT. @disqus_rOeXXBD2qs:disqus, still think Wade’s better than Kobe?

  • Bandwagonfan

    hey stupid dumbfuck what he mean is thath JUST BECAUSE MJ HAS A FREWER TOTAL CAREER TRIPLE DOUBLE THAN LB, DOESNT MEAN THAT HE IS NOT A GOOD ALL AROUND PLAYER. HE ACTUALLY PRAISING MJ ! STUPID

  • Bandwagonfan

    WHAT HE MEAN IS, “JUST BECAUSE MJ DIDNT HAVE TRIPLE DOUBLE AS MANY AS JAMES, IT —DOESNT—— MEAN HE IS NOT A GOOD ALL AROUND PLAYER!! MEANS HE SAID MJ IS A GOOD ALL AROUNG PLAYER!!

  • Bandwagonfan

    you are a lebron hater. And lebron is suck. so why try to argue with this guy. he can put on comment all day. maybe until he got some job so that he can get married

  • initbruv

    Drunk ass.

  • Ben Ireland

    Ft I’ll grant ya… Fadeaway’s sure, but not like LeBron can’t do them, he’s just a physical freak who’s a mismatch for everybody, so he doesn’t need to in the same way, I bet you’ll see him do it as he gets older (assuming LeBron ages in his body and not just his hairline!) Post moves, LeBron’s got, even now as he’s starting out, and they’re only improving, though I’d argue the fadeaway is one of em. But attacking the bucket? C’mon, have you watched a game ever?

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni D dot Sanchez

    f*ck the stats, just get the W

  • playa

    As great as he is Bron is not&never will be AS skilled AS Kobe Bean Bryant, and saying “easily” is in this case completely laughable.

  • playa

    He will always think that way, even if D-Wade would average 13-3-3 , cause he would still be EFFICIENT, great defender, and obviously could put up whatever numbers if not for lebron :)

  • Stinka

    if wade is hurting, start cole, and let wade come off the bench, and maximize his output in less floor time. not sure what to do about Bosh…he just has to step the hell up.

  • pposse

    Lebron is a physical freak and he is capable of doing anything that has been done before; why because he is intelligent enough to emulate what great players in the past did. I have no problem with this. I do have a problem with him not showing us things that the world has not seen before, as far as moves and motion goes. There has to be things that he can do in the post thats never been done before or moves with his own stamp. Whether it be a new form of the fadeaway, an up and under whatever.

    I’m just coming from the perspective that if it was MJ or hell even young Kobe who had the same physical tools that Lebron currently has, they would be able to do more, a lot more. I have never seen Lebron with a signature play or move in the last 6 years. The only epic thing that he done in a single game, which was memorable without question is game 5 vs the Pistons. Other than that, really where are his defining moments? Granted there are years upon years left for him to create some, but I’m starting to get a little antsy about all this. Half of Lebron’s game winners in the playoffs are/ can be considered travels which take away from the luster of the play regardless if its true or not. And then his “so what, i live this lifestyle” attitude that he portrays thru awesome sound bites and general douchiness rubs people the wrong way.

    What he needs is a coach, not a YES man, a real coach. Someone who can command respect and tell him to work on his foot work and work on developing 20 separate moves in the post. He just does all this stuff as he pleases and is kind of waisting away his talents. its like he and only himself has all the answers but he doesnt.

  • theDankerNuggets

    without a healthy Wade the rest of this roster is exposed, they are all role players who role is play off Wade and Bron. But Bosh really does need to look in the mirror and ask himself if he wants to make plays or pretend he’s just another role player

  • Ben Ireland

    If 4 MVPs, a Finals MVP, a title and however many AllNBA and Allstar appearances are “wasting away” talent, I think I should just stop practicing ball altogether, see what happens. This is ridiculous. He’s unquestionably the best player in the world. Your argument is that he should be the best player in the world by a wider margin. Ah, no, he’s as good as he needs to be, and lately he raises it when he has to as well. He’s unreal. Sorry if you don’t like it. But he’s unreal.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Lmao. A young Pat Ewing and Kobe? Are you serious?

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    Um. No. Jordan > Lebron

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    I’m saying he does not possess Magic’s passing skills and court awareness, all though he is close. But he most certainly cannot emulate Mike. He’s really nothing like him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    But yes, he is in their league. Definitely. LeBron, Magic, Mike. Three of the greatest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    He could score 50 points whenever he wants, to be honest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/evan.boland Evan Boland

    He doesn’t want to. But he could.

  • danpowers

    wade is the better player, just hurt at the moment. by that, yeah, wade is better than kobe. he puts up smth like 13, 4, 5 and even if it was 13, 3, 3; thats still better than this years playoff kobe putting up 0, 0, 0.
    maybe kobe has more basketball skills, but he doesnt player “better” than wade does. in pro sports its not only about what you are capable of and what talent you got. its more important how you use your talents. and in doing that wade is much better than kobe or at least was better / more efficient than kobe for quite some time.

    a fair comparison between the two of them would be when both are healthy, which they are not. just look at their numbers throughout the years and you’ll see that wade plays generally better than kobe.

  • danpowers

    hibbert a young pat ewing? pg a young kobe? BLASPHEMY!

  • pposse

    if you can’t fully capitalize on what you got then a part of your talent is being waisted. Yeah he should be better by a wider margin. Its not cool or good enough for me to be as good as he needs to be. Its about want. I don’t see that type of selfishness in Bron, never have probably never will; but its not a bad type of selfish.

    This the thing, during my childhood i was blessed to watch the very best do it. Never once was there a shadow of a doubt on whether the Bulls would win when Jordan maxed out. I expect more cause iv’e seen and rooted for more, any older chicago bulls fan can attest to this.

  • pposse

    case in point game 6 4:00 left, the Heat are making a run and then Lebron goes in for a defining moment trying to posterize Hibbert, but just gets flat denied. I can sit here and say all day that MJ would have made that play happen, but we will never know. What i do know is that Lebron had yet another defining moment that never was. A potential dunk right there would have changed the whole complexion of that game, instead he gets called for the offensive foul and looks like a peon as he runs down the court.

  • danpowers

    oh really?

  • Drig

    The logic that 13,4,5 is better than 0,0,0 is so screwed up it’s pathetic.

    If you wanna talk about a healthy Kobe, you better be willing to go back to 2009. That was the last season Kobe played without a bum finger.

    Kobe played the 2011 playoffs with a balky knee. Kinda like Wade is doing now. He didn’t do too bad right?

  • danpowers

    dude, when was the last time wade played healthy? lol. wade was also more efficient when he played banged up. it just seems to be severe at the moment, cant blaim him for that. cant blaim kobe for being out neither. that was my point.

  • danpowers

    reggie miller and clyde drexler were taller, just to name two lol

  • Drig

    When was the last time Wade played healthy? When was the last time Wade got inflicted with a permanent injury that he has to simply work with?

    Wade’s been healthy for periods every damn season. It’s his ridiculous play and his lack of a jumpshot or any range that forces him to drive and wreck his body.

    The point I’m trying to make here is that Wade has slowed down tremendously. He isn’t close to being as consistent as Kobe has been this season, contrary to popular belief.

    He’s incapable of keeping himself healthy. That prevents him from utilizing his biggest strength : Speed, drives and rim-finishing. Rest of his play is at best, average.

    His D is nowhere near as good as it used to be. And it’s looking like it’s slipping even more with each passing game.

    His shooting and decision making are regressing as the Heat go deeper and deeper into the POs.

    Mainly, he’s become more of a superstar X-factor than a superstar whose contribution can be pencilled in on a nightly basis, which Kobe is still managing to do.

    I and nbk had a discussion about Wade earlier in the season. Which is why I’m bringing this to his notice.

  • danpowers

    “When was the last time Wade played healthy? When was the last time Wade
    got inflicted with a permanent injury that he has to simply work with?”

    well…

    - 2005 rib injury, cost the heat the ecf

    - 2006 heat win the chip with a healthy wade

    - 2007 playoffs – wade’s injury erased even the slightest chance of the heat to repeat

    - 2008 heat have no shot at anything and wade shuts it down to heal mid-season

    - 2009-2010 wade is better than ever but the heat are so weak that it isnt that relevant. pretty much like kobe bryants post shaq time 2011 big three era starts, wade is dominating in the finals until he hurts his rib again and is limited in games 5 and 6. he also played with migraines and somewhen then started his plantar fasciitis.

    -2012 bad knee, he plays limited but still puts up 22-5-5 en route to title and is way more efficient than bryant.

    -2013 he was playing lights out from jan-march, then bruised his knee, is now limited again.

    if u like to see HOW banged up this guy plays most of the time, see:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7464874/miami-heat-unsure-dwyane-wade-status-injuries-pile-up

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/10/dwyane-wade-downplays-hip-injury-spoelstra-cautious/

    http://www.nba.com/2010/news/10/05/heat-wade.ap/index.html

    being banged up aint new to him. i just think that he got to the point where it all got too much and if it wasnt for the playoffs im sure he would be resting. you cant compare one injury with another. we dont know how wade would have done with kobes injuries and how kobe would do with wades injuries.

    i also dont think that wade suffers to stay healthy because he wouldnt be working on his body or watch his diet. his style of play is a bit more physical than bryants which imo causes more injuries and let these injuries affect his game a tad bit more.

    what you said about consistency is only
    correct if we look at wade this year since march. which is not a long stretch to me. so yes, bryant was playing better than wade from march till the end of april or in wade’s case until now. but dont expect kobe to be better than wade by next season. thats pretty unlikely.

    “Mainly, he’s become more of a superstar X-factor than a superstar whose
    contribution can be pencilled in on a nightly basis, which Kobe is still
    managing to do.”

    to exagerate it a little bit: which kobe is still managing to do? i
    think those 5 laker teams won their championship even though bryant was their main superstar / first offensive option. not so much because of kobe. best example of “he was at the right place at the right time”. he is a great player tho, but extremely inefficient for a superstar type player. he might be more talented and durable than wade. but doesnt use his gifts as good as wade does when we look at both careers.

  • lil hill

    Reggie Miller was anorexic

  • danpowers

    still taller tho lol

  • Drig

    The first part of my question was rhetoric. I know Wade got injured a lot of times, which I alluded to in the rest of my post.

    So……..he was suffering with the rib injury for the entire year? Or for a part of the year???

    Same with the rest of his injuries. Fact of the matter is, he hasn’t had a season-long battle with one particular injury.

    He’s had times when he’s injured but recovered completely and then gotten injured again.

    Wade is injury prone. Regardless of what causes them (mostly his playing style.)

    I’m talking about the entire season as a whole. The variation in Wade’s performances have been apparent since the start of the season. Even if you factor in the fact that he plays with LeBron, his game has been many things. Consistency is not one of them.

    I’d ask you to see the Spurs series, the Portland series, the Sactown series, the 2009 run and the 2010 run minus game 7 vs Boston.

  • Datkid

    nope. There is no reason Lebron can’t be as offensively skilled as prime kobe.

  • rkirby

    cool bro lol

  • rkirby

    ‘seems to hint’…i’m not trying to join your conversation. i’m trying to end it. why even bring it up?

  • lil hill

    Yup but Jordan was stronger and quicker

  • danpowers

    still doesnt mean he was taller lol

  • lil hill

    bigger doesn’t just mean taller Jordan had more muscle and everybody back then that was bigger than him he was quicker then

  • danpowers

    did wade deal the last two seasons with plantar fasciitis almost all the time and also with heavy migraine attacks while still playing most of the games much better than most shooting guards and also more efficient than bryant? i dont exactly remember when he had what of those issues but as far as i remember he was haunted by that stuff and still did pretty well.

    about consistency… i think thats impossible to compare as long as two players we are talking about and comparing each other dont suffer exactly the same injuries.

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