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Friday, June 21st, 2013 at 10:30 am  |  180 responses

Miami Heat are Back-to-Back NBA Champions


by Marcel Mutoni @ marcel_mutoni

Following a classic Game 6, it was hard to imagine Game 7 somehow not being a bit of a letdown.

Instead, the NBA’s two best teams gave the world a hell of a show on the last night of the 2012-’13 season, with the Miami Heat taking down the San Antonio Spurs 95-88 to claim their second straight title.

LeBron James carried his team once again — registering 37 points and 12 rebounds — and was named NBA Finals MVP for the second year in a row. LBJ has defied all critics and naysayers, and now rests comfortably and firmly as one of the League’s all-time greatest winners.

Per the AP:

Capping their best season in franchise history – and perhaps the three-superstar system they used to build it – the Heat ran off with the second straight thriller in the NBA’s first championship series to go the distance since 2010. Two nights after his Game 6 save when the Heat were almost eliminated, James continued his unparalleled run through the basketball world, with two titles and an Olympic gold medal in the last 12 months. “I work on my game a lot throughout the offseason,” said James, who was MVP for the second straight finals. “I put a lot of work into it and to be able to come out here and (have) the results happen out on the floor is the ultimate. The ultimate. I’m at a loss for words.” He made five 3-pointers, defended Tony Parker when he had to, and did everything else that could ever be expected from the best player in the game.

“It took everything we had as a team,” Dwyane Wade said. “Credit to the San Antonio Spurs, they’re an unbelievable team, an unbelievable franchise. This is the hardest series we ever had to play. But we’re a resilient team and we did whatever it took.” Players and coaches hugged afterward – their respect for each other was obvious from the opening tipoff of Game 1 through the final buzzer. A whisker away from a fifth title two nights earlier, the Spurs couldn’t find a way to win it all in what was perhaps the last shot for Tim Duncan, Parker and Manu Ginobili to grab another ring together.

While this may be the end of the road for the San Antonio Spurs as we know them, the opposite holds true for the South Beach super team.

Having averted disaster numerous times this postseason to become champions once again, it certainly feels like the Miami Heat’s reign is nowhere near its conclusion.

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  • shockexchange

    We are all WITNESSES …

  • RayJr

    Miami has one more run to get the 3-peat and then LeBron will be taking his talents to Southern California/The Los Angeles Lakers.

    Let the dislikes and hate flow lol

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    The Laker fan in me won’t allow me to down vote lol

  • RayJr

    Thanks bro. I’m already expecting a lot of heat(no pun intended) for my comment lol

  • ucanthandlethetruth

    honestly the pun is worse than anything youve said.

  • i_ball

    The ball bounced the Heats way but I guess luck goes with the better team.

    I wonder if they can make it back to the Finals again next season the East will be tough – Indiana has more confidence and gets Granger back, Chicago obviously, Brooklyn although I’m not convinced about JKidd, NY too.

    And the Spurs can make moves too.

    I can’t wait for next season to start!

  • grammarpolice07

    Nope. He’ll be going to Charlotte. Book it.

  • grammarpolice07

    *you’ve

  • RayJr

    You must not know what “no pun intended” means.

  • ucanthandlethetruth

    You’ve can suck my balls.

  • OfftheWall87

    No. He doesn’t need LA or the Lakers. Pat Riley will build around he and Wade in Miami. If anyone leaves town, it will be Bosh.

  • underdog

    I’m sour as f**k, but congrats to the Heat, they’ve worked hard for it and they deserve it!

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson
  • RayJr

    Riley can build but how long does Riley stay around and after next season can Wade’s body let him be a great player? Those are the reasons why I see him leaving.

  • pposse

    If Lebron leaves cause Wade’s body might not recover the same after next year then he would be just as fair weather as the Miami Heat fan base; that would be like a Decision part 2 horror movie.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    sellout

  • ucanthandlethetruth

    it was a spur the moment decision

  • shockexchange

    Green may as we have partied with the Heat. He was their third best player last night.

  • danpowers

    that were the best finals since a longe time

  • Mvp23100

    These boys worked for this total team effort different players stepped up different games and they got lucky game 6 some skill some repetition and a whole lot of luck congrats Heat

  • bike

    ‘And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those
    who attempt to poison and destroy my legacy. And you will know my name is the
    King when I lay my vengeance upon you.’

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    Why the f*ck wouldn’t he? It’s better than sulking and sobbing. Go out and have some fun then come back next season and get right back at it.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    As bad as that would be it’s better than this Dwightmare I can’t seem to wake up from.

  • Jabroni

    Not particularly in game 7 or 6, but earlier in the series and prior the heat were flopping a little too much for me to see them as deserving champs. I was rooting for the Pacers and Spurs for the second half of the POs (C’s got knocked), and I think the Pacers would have won the ECF had the Heat not been flopping about. At this point we all know LBJ is great but he’ll never reach Jordan for just that one reason that he’s kind of a flopper.

  • Dfrance

    Your comments are all over the place man, pick a side.

  • grammarpolice07

    *spur of the moment.

  • Markus437

    After this series I would say LeBron’s now the 11th best player in NBA history, surpassing Jerry West. This is based of the SLAM 500 greatest player rankings but I think only Michael, Wilt, Russell, Shaq, big O, Magic, Kareem, Duncan, Bird and Kobe are ahead of him now.

    Feel free to disagree if he’s not at that level yet or maybe is even top 10

  • bike

    LeBron’s haters are somewhat like ants. They are impossible to completely eradicate.

  • JML-G

    everybody in Heat organisation be like

  • JML-G

    everybody in Heat organisation be like

  • Melvin flynt

    King James 2 the world! Miami did it woooo! I smell 3 peat- haha haters!!!…

  • Melvin flynt

    King James 2 the world! Miami did it woooo! I smell 3 peat- haha haters!!!…

  • Melvin flynt

    Lebron and green played in Cleveland together they are friends, so what if had fun he played great in the finals..

  • Melvin flynt

    Lebron and green played in Cleveland together they are friends, so what if had fun he played great in the finals..

  • Melvin flynt

    Haha haters blow it out your a hole lol— Miami heat is the best! The bball gods are on there side..!

  • Melvin flynt

    Haha haters blow it out your a hole lol— Miami heat is the best! The bball gods are on there side..!

  • bike

    Him and Manu ‘Jump in the Air and Throw a Bad Pass’ Ginobili.

  • shockexchange

    What in the world was that? Even 3rd graders no better than to jump into the air with no place to go. Manu has been conditioned to barrel into traffic looking for a foul. When you foul came then … *crickets*

  • TR

    Witness

  • OfftheWall87

    You forget that Danny Green was LeBron’s rookie in Cleveland. Some things are more important than the game like relationships that are built.

  • OfftheWall87

    He’s there.

  • OfftheWall87

    How long does Riley stay around? He’s not coaching. He can have his position until he feels like letting it go. No stress on him convincing players to play with LeBron and Wade. If Wade’s body breaks down, Riley won’t have much trouble putting a team around LeBron at all. Live in Miami, play with the best player in the world, play for a great coach. Contend for titles each season. Easy.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Chris Bosh, cannot win.

    .

    https://vine.co/v/hur6dP7i7i9

  • LakeShow

    I dunno man. Think about that. Fighting for your team. Losing… then Partying with the winning team.
    He shoulda sulked for one night lol.

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    What better way to sulk than getting sh*t faced in a club in Miami? lol

  • OfftheWall87

    No, that wouldn’t be fairweather at all. It’s his right to make the best decision based on where he thinks he can win. If Miami ends up not being the place, then there’s no problem with him going elsewhere. Just like in 2010 it was his right to leave because Cleveland wasn’t going to get better and he had the opportunity to play with Wade and Bosh. Like KG said loyalty ends at a certain point and that point is when winning is the most important thing.

  • Slick Ric

    I would replace Big O with Hakeem and put him ahead of Kobe.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    lol im trolling man

  • The Philosopher

    Destiny…

  • berkamore

    Although I was for the Spurs, congrats to LeBron. He’s really coming into his own.

    Man, Dan Gilbert must be really bitter right now and it makes it all worthwhile. LOL.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    lol i would be pissed.. If i were to stay in Miami i would chill on the beach if anything and not party with LBJ

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/savagemuzicgroup T-Ray

    Well sh*t I’d snag me one of the 100 bottles they had in there and get a pool full of liquor then dive in it lol the beach will make you feel even worse.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Really possible. Still really doubtful.

  • Slick Ric

    Weakest argument ever.

  • Obz

    No excusez . Best team wins Period.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    lol idk about that but I aint mad at ya

  • Mack

    I’d say the best Finals since Celtics/Lakers in 2010 but not “since a longe time” lol

  • danpowers

    dunno why but that one didnt really turn me on

  • grgeblck

    No Birdman, no championship.

  • Mars

    Told y’all

  • Mars

    Dont be dumb. He’s definitely better then all the people you mentioned because none of them except for Kobe and Duncan who are 34 and 37, have played in the best competition and had the success LeBron has had in there first 10 yrs. say what you will the numbers don’t lie. Jordan doesn’t count. Stop comparing players to Jordan. Jordan is not going to be replaced because like Russell, he was a anomaly.

  • RTgerms

    incase you missed last year
    http://i.imgur.com/X0iki.gif

  • Basketball Coach

    or you could say, no performing role players = no championship. everyone did their part

    http://basketballcoach.ca/

  • grgeblck

    their inside game needs to improve. Nice to have Birdman to clean up those little things that matter the most during the playoff runs.

  • Bandwagonfan

    I think wade should go. Hes getting older and older. Idk about bosh. Maybe both of them should go and be replaced with another players

  • Bandwagonfan

    Dont worry laker fan. I really hope bledsoe and griffin trade will work. Then lakers will be one hell of a team for sure

  • Melvin flynt

    chris bosh did win are u on cheap drugs foo!! lol

  • AQWORD

    But he is a Champion

  • AQWORD

    any day

  • AQWORD

    it’s as team game d!(face !

  • AQWORD

    thank you GINOBLIII !!!!

  • Redd

    And don’t show up until Game 7?

  • Redd

    LOL that was hilarious.

  • Redd

    How so? Without Bosh & Ray, Spurs are NBA Champs.

  • OfftheWall87

    Sounds like a Bulls fan.

  • OfftheWall87

    Without Sean Elliott and Stephen Jackson, Duncan has nothing. Without Horry and Fisher, Kobe has nothing. Without Kerr and Paxson, Jordan has nothing. Without Kenny Smith, Mario Elie and Sam Cassell, Hakeem has nothing. Without Gary Neal and Danny Green, the Spurs would have gotten swept. Star players need role players. What are you trying to say exactly?

  • Redd

    What are you trying to say? I realize that genius..but without Bosh & Ray the series is over.

  • Redd

    Sounds like the truth.

  • OfftheWall87

    What are you sensitive over? The last player to lead the Finals in points, steals and assists was Magic Johnson in 1987 before LeBron did it this season and you’re here saying he didn’t show up until Game 7. Is it because he took out your Bulls in the Conference Finals two seasons ago and beat them in the 2nd round this season or what?

  • OfftheWall87

    You can say that with every team that’s won the Finals. That’s the point. Without role players, stars don’t do it by themselves. Not even Jordan.

  • grgeblck

    precisely. if there’s no one playing inside, anyone could take them. and thanks for sharing something personal about ur face.

  • nomnom

    Dude, don’t bother arguing with morons like Redd. Until Lebron splits the sea and heals lepers, they will always be unimpressed.

  • nomnom

    Way better than those finals

  • nomnom

    There will always be those morons who will still say “Lebron James is great but….” and then insert whatever their reason of the moment is for hating him. The guy has got 4 mvp’s, two rings, a gold medal, but no matter what it’s never good enough for people who just blindly hate him lol.

  • MackAtttack

    Yea it was better but I’m just sayin it’s the best one since and those two were the best in the past 20 or so years.

  • Redd

    Except Lebron wasn’t around all series til’ game 7..

  • Redd

    Or it’s because he can’t find a championship without converging with 2 other stars at their best(which has never happened before because NBA Players used to have heart).

  • pposse

    excuse me Kerr and Paxon? haha thats beyond stupid. one guy hits a big shot in game 5 and another hits one in game 6; zero times did MJ go to game 7 in the NBA finals that should tell you enough bout how dominant him and his team was. Keep MJ out of all these discussions; those other stars you mentioned, they are not worthy, you shan’t mention them in the same breath as the great one

  • z

    Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman were two all stars, and two stars at their best. Two HOFers. Two All-Defensive stalwarts at their best. Pippen, like Wade will be when his career is done, is one of the 50 greatest players of all-time. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Magic and Bird played with guys like KAJ and Robert Parish. Those Celtics/Lakers teams were LOADED in the 80′s. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

    You started watching the NBA in 2001, by your own admission. You are the LAST PERSOn on Slam that should have anything to say about the history of the NBA. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Stick to rooting for Rose and his Bulls, who will never see a championship so long as Lebron and Durant are in the league.

  • OfftheWall87

    Except he was around, just not to the degree people wanted him to be.

  • OfftheWall87

    You give real Bulls fans a bad name. You’ve embarrassed yourself with this LeBron thing for the past two weeks. Everyone here knows what you do and how you are.

  • z

    Redd is one of the lesser knowledgeable guys around here. He’s jumping on the hater bandwagon and can’t hold a debate to save his life. He’s only doing it because he sees it’s the Bulls fan thing to do around here. The difference is, he’s not smart enough to really defend his argument.

  • OfftheWall87

    Or it’s because Jordan had a top 50 all-time player playing with him that you seem to forget and one of the best rebounders ever which you also seem to forget. He didn’t need to go anywhere because he had his sidekick already. LeBron had Mo Williams. How foolish are you, really?

  • z

    I guess that’s why he was still the best player on his team the whole series. You didn’t even watch the games. Go sit down.

  • pposse

    dont remember MJ handpicking the players he was going to play with; and I especially don’t remember Scottie Pippen being a top 50 or top anything ball player when he was drafted, when MJ actually started playing with him. Do you see the difference?

    Unlike Lebron when he started to play with Wade and Bosh, both were already considered top 10 ball players, Wade may have been the 2nd best in the game.

  • pposse

    nice rebuttal. just keep MJ and everyone else separated, don’t tell a real bulls fan that Kerr and Paxon was a significant reason to the 6 rings that were won. beyond dumb

  • z

    So what? Are you arguing that those Sonics and Jazz teams were better than the 3 time champion Spurs? The only opponents worthy of the comparison in terms of quality that the Bulls faced were the ’91 Lakers.

    Anyway, no one around here is debating the which team or players was better. You like to find any way to diminish the guy’s greatness and it’s pathetic. Get your life together.

  • z

    They shots they hit were integral to the success of the team. That’s the difference between a ‘real Bulls fan’ and a real basketball fan. Seems to be a basketball knowledge thing. Enigmatic was the exception rather than the rule. The rest of you are just dumb. If this site is any indication, Bulls fans are pathetic.

  • OfftheWall87

    Bosh was never top 10. Wade wasn’t top 2 in 2010…it was LeBron and Kobe. Wade was 3rd at best. MJ never had to pick players because Scottie Pippen became great while playing there genius. It’s not about how he was when he was drafted, it’s about how he was when they started winning. Why would you even bring up how Scottie was playing when he was a rookie and think that it somehow adds to your argument (as flimsy as it is)? They started winning because of how good he became paired with Jordan. This is so simple to see but I’m not surprised you can’t see it. When Jordan retired, Scottie averaged 22, 9 and 6 without him and led the Bulls to the Conference Finals against the Knicks. That’s the guy to compare with Wade, not how he played as a rookie and it’s pretty stupid that you would bring that up.

  • pposse

    you finding anyway to put Lebrons name next to the great one. There’s a long ways away from the mountain top young Z, you should know that. That Jazz team had two top 50 ball players of all time, plus they were coached by Jerry Sloan, don’t try and act like that Jazz team was some pushover. You can say whatever you want about the Spurs being bettter than the Jazz, the same Spurs team who has two core guys 35 plus in age. And you comparing them to the younger talented already top 50 Jazz teams. Who sounds stupid now, think before you talk.

  • z

    Just because he didn’t hand pick them doesn’t mean he didn’t play with great players. How they got their is irrelevant. The point is, he would have ZERO rings without his STAR teammates, just like any other NBA superstar. Lebron took his own destiny into his own hands. Get over it.

  • OfftheWall87

    Except he was significant. I’m sure Jordan would even say that. Were you born in 1999? Did you not watch those games? This is how you know Jordan fanatics. Newsflash, there was a league before Jordan and there are players who are also considered maybe the best ever, not just him.

  • OfftheWall87

    Where this falls apart for dudes like him is this…if LeBron had chosen to play with D-Rose in 2010 and the Bulls won, they wouldn’t say a word about stars joining together and how bad it is.

  • pposse

    so all those years MJ played with Pip, dogged Pip in practice has nothing to do with the way Pip turned out. Fact was MJ hated Pippens game in the beginning. Read a book about it if you have to, you know nothing about the MJ Pip dynamic.

    You automatically assume Pippen would have been the same player if he never played with MJ thats foolish; therein lies the difference. Wade was the same player with or without James, Bosh was the same player with or without James. Like it was told to you, Bron hand picked a super squad. People have a problem with it, you want to make it seem like its all good for players to hand pick their destinies and what not when they most likely violated tampering rules since 2008. There are rules to the game, but it doesnt matter cause why does Lebron have to follow rules, he’s the best in the game now, those don’t pertain to him.

  • pposse

    how they got there is relevant. its not relevant to you or any other stan cause that fits your agenda.

  • z

    I don’t have to find a way to argue his greatness. He does that himself.

    That Spurs is BETTER than the Jazz. Period. The only people around here making dumb comments and getting owned are you and Redd. When Lebron faced them before, they were also in their primes in a tough Western Conference. Remember that? When Lebron was a young kid leading his team to the Finals? Either way, the greatness of this Spurs team and their younger ones is undeniable. You hate so hard you even want to diminish his opponents? Wow, now that’s some loser isn.

  • pposse

    considered and being are two different things. Its not a preference on who the greatest ever is, its a known fact proven by %90 of the general population and %95 of the basketball community. Those are not generous percentages either.

  • z

    I’m a Thunder fan. A Durant fan. My agenda is to see my team beat the Heat in the Finals, because Lord knows the Bulls ain’t making it there. Even if they did, I’m confident that my guy is taking the Throne regardless.

    Acknowledging the greatness of a once in a generation player isn’t being a stan if you are a fan of the game. You aren’t. You’re just a dumb Bulls fan.

  • OfftheWall87

    So Jordan turned Pippen into what he was by himself? Don’t be stupid. Wade shot his best percentage this season because he played with James. Same with Bosh. People can have a problem with it all they want, doesn’t mean they’re right. If LeBron was playing in Chicago with Rose, you’d keep your mouth shut about stars joining together. Get over it. The Heat won. Two in a row. LeBron’s already being talked about as top 10 right now. You sound really soft and sensitive over this. The games still had to be played. They lost the first year. Now they’ve won 2 in a row and people are saying it’s unfair…after they laughed about them losing. This is how idiotic people are and you’re in that category. What rules did he not follow? lol

  • pposse

    yeah i remember him getting swept whats the point of that? Are you trying to say Lebron couldn’t even eek out one win vs Duncan in his prime?

    You are downgrading the Jazz team cause it fits into the nonsense you are spewing. Two top 50 ball players on the team who by the way was the number one team in wins in the 1998 season is by far the worse team to the 2013 Spurs?! okay Z you need to stop and reevaluate what you are saying.

  • OfftheWall87

    You calling someone else a stan when all you know is Bulls…you and your partner Redd…that’s hilarious. Most Bulls fans at least watch games, you sound like you’ve never seen a Bulls game in your life and all your love for them and Jordan comes from Gatorade commercials that tell you Jordan is the only player who ever picked up a basketball and the Bulls are the only teams who have won championships. Pretty pathetic.

  • z

    I’m not downgrading the team. I’m stating a fact. They were not a four time champion. The Spurs are. The Spurs earned their championships by going through a tough Western Conference. The Spurs are the better team. And no Lebron couldn’t eek out one win against them with the team he had. Just like Jordan couldn’t make it to the Finals at all at that point in his career.

    YOU ARE THE ONE who brought up how many games it took. Don’t bring it up if you don’t want to discuss quality of opponent. It matters when you bring up silly stuff.

  • pposse

    wade was always a %50 shooter.

    Its funny how you constantly try to attack a commenter on a personal level thats that ish i dont like. Did i say anything to warrant that? Really did i? Whose really soft here youngin?

    In 08 when rumor has it the agreeement between Bosh Wade and Bron was set in place, all were employed by different teams. You can’t make agreements like that, “when im a FA im going where your going” Unlike you OfftheWall7 i’ve watched the NBA for years. Myself read rumors on ESPN and magazines alike about them joining forces since the fall of 2009. They were all pissed and rightfully so that teamsl like the Celtics and Lakers were retooled. It pissed them off Garnett, Pierce and Allen were on one team; same in LA how Kobe got Gasol and Bynum. Still doesnt and shouldnt give them a right to do what they did.

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  • pposse

    dude you need to keep your eyes on what the argument is. When did i argue bron’s greatness? just stop your completely moronic. Find where i wrote that, repeat it to me and i’ll correct the error in your ways. I can easily tell you what i meant with any comment in lame terms if need be. Never denied his greatness, proofread everything you shoud know this.

  • OfftheWall87

    Actually, Wade didn’t have one season where he shot 50% or above until LeBron got there…what in the world is wrong with you and where do you get your information?

    A rumor? That’s what you’re basing this off of? A rumor that you don’t know about whether it’s true or not, nor does anyone else?

  • z

    You’ve made some dumb arguments but that was the worst. It’s not that I don’t agree with the statement that Jordan is the greatest now, it’s that your argument to support is is f*cking terrible, thus taking away from the point.

    Opinion can never be fact, and I still realize that not all opinions are equal. Some people have more facts to support their opinions. Numbers, dates, awards, etc. Others have pure opinion based on popular perception. I haven’t spoken to ten people my whole life that can properly place both guys’ numbers and other facts all out on the table to support either side of the debate, so take that 90% of yours and shove it.

  • pposse

    .491 two years and .495 one year i guess is not .500; you are so correct OfftheWall you got me. dude shoots .09 percentage points better with Lebron, big deal.

    a rumor that has merritt; why else would someone write in 2009 about Bosh, Lebron and Wade teaming up? seriously. Who would have thought in 09 that Bron would team with Wade and Bosh? That idea was ridiculous back then.

  • pposse

    see, you will do whatever it takes to have Lebron in the same conversation right now; you have pie in your face coming to you and deservedly so.

  • z

    You argue it every time to try to take away from it. You do realize that EVERY TIME his name comes up you try to follow any highlight of a positive quality he or his game possess with a negative? That IS arguing his greatness. Trying to diminish his quality of opponent, while inflating his quality of his teammates IS arguing his greatness. At the very least, very very least, you take every opportunity to at least diminish his greatness, which is what makes you a hater.

    And you should NEVER talk to anyone about sticking to an argument. It happens every time on here, soon as you get shut down on one hating attempt, you bring up something else to argue. Just quit.

  • OfftheWall87

    The point here is that you sound like a small child who’s angry because LeBron is being compared to Jordan and you’re arguing like Jordan’s your father..while everyone else is showing him the respect he deserves, you’re here talking about 2008 and how untouchable Jordan is. You’re embarrassing yourself. But please continue because it’s fun to read and laugh at.

  • pposse

    whats funny is how you just tried to tell a bball fan Wade was not the player he was without Lebron. Talking about his percentages lol and then you got told what his percentages really were before Lebron and cannot even concede that point. That’s also childish by the way.

    You might not understand what i just said if not look up the word ‘concede’

  • z

    Lebron will do whatever it takes, I have no control over his career dumb@ss. You get butt hurt every time someone talks about Lebron or his accomplishments. Sorry, get over it. When you put yourself in a group with only KAJ, MJ, Wilt, and Bill with MVP wins, you do it yourself. When you win league and Finals MVP two years in a row, you do it yourself. When you average 27.6 points, 7.3, 6.9 for your career ten seasons in, you do it yourself. I’m just stating what he did. you’re trying to downplay it.

  • pposse

    “trying to diminish his quality of opponent, while inflating his quality of his teammates” – sooo..Duncan was not 37 and Manu was not 36 and TP was not 31; while Wade being the eldest of the Trio in Miami is 31 okay Z. And that 1998 Jazz team was a hell of a lot crappier than this years Spurs too. Okay again. #keepitrealson

    But on the other hand you’re trying to enhance the quality of the opponent by saying they were better than the Jazz; you just put the shoe on to whatever foot it fits best. I been consistent with my arguments since day 1. You been a wack cameleon about yours, changing colors flip flopping all that nonsense.

  • Redd

    Scottie was traded to the Bulls? Lol.

  • Redd

    You’re an idiot, all those stars were drafted & shaped..not traded for(minus Rodman).

  • Redd

    Exactly, Bulls shaped Pippen.

    Lebron also had Danny Green who just recently shut him down(not to say anything except how interesting that is). Lebron went to the Finals against the Spurs with the Cavs & opened up the series equaling the same point as Drew Gooden..LOL.

    Lebron couldn’t get it done because he can’t get it done all while making a teammate become great like Jordan did for Pippen.

  • OfftheWall87

    Pippen shaped himself with help from Jordan and Phil Jackson. Jordan didn’t make Pippen great by himself and it’s extremely funny that you think he did. LeBron is a 2 time back to back champion. Both times he was 3 assists away from averaging a triple double in the Finals. Danny Green didn’t shut him down…he led the series in points, assists and steals. The Bulls lost to the Heat in the 2nd round. LeBron shut down Rose in the 4th quarters of each game in 2011 in the Conference Finals. The Bulls will be 2nd at best behind Miami even with Rose healthy next season. All of these things are true. You and pposse make everyone else here laugh though so continue. LeBron didn’t beat the Spurs in 2007 because he was 22 and the Spurs were at the height of their dynasty with a young Parker and Ginobili and still great Duncan. Again, if James was playing with Rose in Chicago, you wouldn’t have anything to say about him. You’d be foaming at the mouth talking about how great he is just like you do with the Bulls now.

  • Redd

    LOL I didn’t?

    Moron, he sucked til’ Game 7 & he better thank Bosh & Ray.

    But this series ended any chance of him being compared MJ, ever.

  • Redd

    Doubtful, I’d enjoy winning but definitely dislike Lebron.

    Thing is, he’s still a joke, doesn’t change he couldn’t win without 2 other stars coming together. He’s a joke for the NBA both with his demeanor & his flopping.

    Lebron was missing open shots that the Spurs gave him because they knew he couldn’t hit, he’s a joke lol. He even said that wouldn’t work again..it did LOL.

  • OfftheWall87

    Yeah, you were definitely born in the 90s. Wade shot 52% this season. The better LeBron’s gotten, the easier it’s been for Wade to do what he does.

    There are players not named Jordan who are great. There are teams not named the Bulls who are great. The best dynasties in the league were full of star players, more than the Heat have now. Wade was hurt throughout the postseason. Bosh couldn’t get his shots to fall but the Heat still won mainly because of James. Free agents can decide where they want to play and who they want to play with. That’s what the Big 3 did regardless of how sensitive you are about it. The Lakers and Celtics were loaded with Hall of Famers.

    You’re not a basketball fan…you’re a Bulls fan. The difference is you can’t appreciate winning unless it’s the Bulls. A team that beat your team twice in the playoffs in the last 3 seasons wins and you’re throwing a temper tantrum over it.

  • Redd

    LMFAO

    I like how dumb you are, so how have you disapproved my comment that never has a player considered a top 5 player needed to converge with 2 other stars to win?

    Disapprove that you idiot, because I doubt you can.

  • OfftheWall87

    No, you’re the joke for thinking he is a joke while everyone else shows him the respect a 4 time MVP, 2 time champ, 2 time Finals MVP deserves. How Skip Bayless of you to do so. How did leaving him open work in Game 7?

  • pposse

    yeah he proved he will do whatever it takes when he teamed up with two all nba type ball players in their primes. When he was intially ridiculed by every last superstar from yesteryear for doing so. When they all went on record and said they would never team with the likes of D Wade to get a championship. But don’t take it from me, im just a “hater” in your opinion. Take it from the greats of the game prior, I guess they are hating too. lol like i said your foolish; can’t and not willing to see the other side of the argument at all. Only stans would do this.

  • OfftheWall87

    How stupid are you to see this? Jordan didn’t need to go anywhere because Pippen was already there. Without Pippen, Jordan would have just been a one man show as he was before Pippen worked on his game and became great. Jordan before Pippen was like LeBron before moving to Miami…just a one man show who would be forced to try to do it by himself in the playoffs until he got eliminated.

  • pposse

    believe me my blood pressure is not up. Your are so off on everything you said its funny. Like i said, they didn’t decide where they were going to play when they were FA, but that’s cool. They can decide to do that but know they will always get ridiculed for it too; its not just me the “hater” in your words, its all the past superstars. Should i quote what they said about them teaming up together?

  • OfftheWall87

    Should I tell you about how each of those old players who have made those comments never had to think about leaving because they had stars already playing with them?

  • pposse

    yes please do because each of those old players made the guys around them better. Bron doesn’t make Wade better. Bosh is probably not even a better ball player now than he was without Lebron.

  • OfftheWall87

    Superstar players can’t be made better, that’s why Wade wasn’t really made better by LeBron. The improvement in his game was his field goal percentage because he didn’t have to take tough shots because of LeBron being on the floor. Just as Jordan didn’t make Pippen better. Pippen had an easier time doing what he had to do with Jordan on the floor. Same thing. Pippen was a better passer and playmaker than Jordan was actually which is why he played point guard often.

  • pposse

    you give Lebron all the credit and Wade zero credit. Wade was averaged something like 23 5 and 5 on 55% shooting during that epic win run in the regular season; that must have been because of Lebron because you say so. Not because d wade is a lethal ball player, not at all. He’s been one of the best SG’s of all time with or without lebron keep that in mind youngin. #3 on many peoples list for that position behind only MJ and Kobe. People can say what they want about Jerry West, but it aint Jerry West its Wade its that close. And now he is creeping up on as many rings as Kobe, pffft it might just be a matter of time before he is compared to Kobe as being the better ball player. He’s already been playing better than him since 08 which is 5 years now.

  • OfftheWall87

    When did I give Wade no credit? Dwyane did that because he got easier shots playing with LeBron who was playing at an extremely high level. These are things that he would admit to himself. Did you watch those games or were you just waiting for Bulls boxscores and waiting to hear when Rose would be back? Maybe if you were born in the 80s and were actually watching all of these guys play, you’d actually have something smart to say.

  • pposse

    just stfu “jordan didn’t make pippen better” just stop it. He averaged 16.1 ppg throughout his career. Dude was not a superstar; defensive beast but not a superstar. By his own admission on the Dream Team documentary he was happy to just be invited to the team. 4 times he averaged 20 or more ppg never more than 22 ppg with MJ. Wade is by far the better ball player its not even a close comparison between the two. Wade gets 25 22 and 21 ppg in order with Lebron. And Wades FG% blew up this year but the two years prior was pretty much the same it has always been! He was always near %50 shooting you guys are just stanning.

  • pposse

    You gave Wade no credit as soon as you’re out here talking about how Lebron is the one giving him easier shots. Newsflash, Lebron can’t be double teamed cause of Wade. Like i said you just put the shoe on whatever foot it fits best. Wade doesn’t help out lebron at all though, nope not at all. Wade doesn’t help increase bron’s efficiency nope, not at all.

  • OfftheWall87

    Notice only 2 people here have been hating on LeBron and it’s the 2 Bulls fanatics who talk like they don’t even watch games. Get past it. It happened. Mad bro? lol

  • pposse

    your maturity levels are astronomical. You ever heard of a rebuttal?

  • OfftheWall87

    Don’t need one when it’s obvious all you know is you dislike LeBron and give credit to everyone and everything but him when it’s obvious that the best player in the league has more impact on those around them than they have on him. You can’t say that Jordan did it but now that LeBron is doing it, it’s not him, it’s someone else. Pretty stupid way of thinking. So you keep doing what you do and we’ll all keep laughing.

  • pposse

    Wade already won a ring without Lebron dummy; he also was a finals MVP. You comparing Pippen to Wade is straight disrespect to Wade. Jordan made Pippen better what don’t you understand about that? Go ask anyone on this. Straight up foolish.

    and by your own admsission Lebron did not make Wade better. Do you see the difference? I’ve grown up watching every last one of the Bulls championships, i don’t need you to sit here and think you know that MJ didn’t make Pippen better that is completely false; go ask anyone on that.

  • pposse

    if i was born in 1999 like you presumed this whole discussion then why would you be arguing with a 14 yr old? What does that accomplish offthewall7? What does that say about yourself? Think before you speak son.

  • Bandwagonfan

    And lebron was a free agency. I bet if jordan were in lebron position, playing with that cleveland, he would move as well.

  • OfftheWall87

    Yeah, we’ll all just keep laughing at you two guys. Everyone knew what you were going to say before you said it after the Heat won. nbk predicted it. We were all just waiting. And you didn’t disappoint.

  • pposse

    nice rebuttal; what did i say offthewall7? repeat it. lets see if you even understood what i said which i highly doubt.

  • Bandwagonfan

    We shouldnt compare bron to jordan. Bron to kobe is much better. Because what lebron did will never be regarded as better than jordan. If he really wants to beat jordan, he need to go to thhe worst nba team, play by himself, get. 6 rings, averaged 50,20,20, have a flu game, hitting every game winner with a buzzer and a trple team in front of him. And he have to score 150 pts in a game vs a buls. And the bulls need to have rose, harden, howard, and other superstars in the same team. Not to mention that the refs should not let lebron get a foul call no matter how hard he is hacked. Also, he have to go to nba straight from elementary.

  • pposse

    exactly! i like your styles bandwagonfan.

  • Bandwagonfan

    @posssee say something about this. This one is a real dumbass hater. Pose was a hater with enough information to back up his argument.

  • Bandwagonfan

    Lebron was making 5 3s and game sealing with a midrange jumper. Howis that cant hit a shot?

  • z

    Spurs>>Jazz. Fact. Get over it. Deal with it. Go cry elsewhere.

  • z

    Sarcasm flies right over your head.

  • z

    Remind yourself who it is you’re arguing with. Redd is calling someone else a joke, when he himself is Slam’s punchline. He knows NOTHING bout the NBA and NOTHING about basketball as a whole.

  • pposse

    or yours??!

  • pposse

    *2013 Spurs >> 1998 Jazz – lets make that clear, thats what your arguing right?

  • Redd

    I commented above, you dumbs@ss, non-respected joke.

    How stupid do you have to be to even make that comment?

    Do you really believe that of ALL the Slam commenters here that have dismissed YOU and that argument time and time again in the past, YOU and pposse are correct? You really think you’ve won a conversation with the same argument I just trashed, nbk, Caboose, offthewall87, da-meat-hook, and COUNTLESS other have already sh!tted on multiple times? Okay kid. There is a reason the reast of them don’t even entertain your and you nonsense anymore. I’m about to follow suit. You need to be ignored like everyone else does to you around here.

  • pposse

    When Lebron was a FA I thought in all honesty that his best move was to come to Chicago (no bias). D Rose was a hell of a lot younger and we had the money to sign another all star like Chris Bosh or Carlos Boozer as well. But to what Redd said, hey if you dislike the guy you dislike him. Can’t argue that anymore the Heat won 2/3 rings and went to all the finals. I can say that the Bulls with Lebron Rose and Bosh/or Boozer would have done the same but who really knows, it didnt happen. I’m happy Lebron is not here, cause Rose would have never been the MVP and we might not been able to see the man play at his full potential. Lebron chose loyalty to friends and it paid off.

    The flopping from Lebron is unacceptable. I can’t stand the fact he does that. Flopping has always been irritating and the best player in the league shouldn’t be promoting it, saying that ‘you gotta do what you gotta do’ etc.

    A lot of ‘haters’ don’t like his attitude/character at times. I’m on the wall with it myself but i’d rather not get into why at this point.

  • Happy.

    I’ve been quietly reading dumb comments from you and Redd for days, but I can’t let this particular point go. His haters don’t like his attitude/character? They know him personally? News to me. That just goes to show you how his “haters” need to get their lives in order. MJ was/is a jerk with low character. Kobe is a jerk. Lebron has no gambling problems, never been accused of r@ping anyone, never been arrested, never punched a teammate. Never publicly proclaimed to have to “step on people” to get to where he wants. Never had a paternity suit. All of these are what your favorite 90′s and 80′s ball players got themselves into. There was no internet or social media to broadcast the bad characters masked by corporate marketing execs. Don’t talk about the characters of individuals you don’t know unless you have actual proof that they have such bad qualities. The worst thing he did was the ‘Decision’ and thousands of dollars went to charity as a result. That says a lot about you if you still dislike him over it, while you simultaneously worship bad people because they were good BOYS and stuck with one team. Great values.

    What’s clear is the characters of the individuals who hate him more than they hate the Kobes, MJ’s, Roethlisbergers of the sports world. Those people are of extremely low character. It’s one thing to root against they guy and his team, it’s another to go out of your way to attack him.

  • pposse

    lol its nice to know the man who once wished death upon others family members on this site is back. Seriously you should be the last person talking about character. Did you read the last sentence i wrote? I easily stated that I don’t want to get into. By character i meant attitude. Kobe nor MJ has Chosen One written on their back. The fact is people are turned off by the arrogance and all this proclamation of 7 rings and greatness before it even occurred. But i have low character cause of that. Stop acting like his damn brother Happy your not, and you of all people should never ever ever speak on mine or anyone else’s character.

  • Happy.

    And I’d wish it again on anyone dumb enough to be entertained or impressed by the murder of millions, but that has nothing to do with this topic. Anyone who is a fan of Jordan while they bash the character of Lebron, has bad values. Yes, I said it.

    If you don’t want to get into it, don’t respond but I’m definitely going to let you know what I think about your judgement of his character. MJ and Kobe are also arrogant–beyond arrogant– and you have yet to list a single personality trait that those two don’t possess much more than him. He said he wanted to win 7 rings. So what? He is supposed to say “I only want one ring”? He never guaranteed it, moron. I’m going to go at anyone who is sitting behind their keyboard attacking a relatively good guy based on what we know, while trying to praise worse individuals. Don’t like it, don’t post stupidity.

    And FYI, I post once a damn week nearly. I don’t need a “welcome back” from one of the site’s clowns.

  • Happy.

    TRUE TRUE TRUE.

  • pposse

    it has everything to do with this topic. Your trying to say that I, being a Jordan fan have bad values cause i “bash” (quote unquote) LBJ character; this all coming from someone who wished death upon someone on the internet. The hypocrisy in it all lol do you see the irony?

    He didn’t say he wanted to win 7 rings he all but guaranteed it and said it was going to be easy. You don’t believe me? View the clip yourself. MJ wasn’t counting the chickens before they hatched…when did he put up the 6 fingers? Before or after #6?? c’mon now!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c

  • Happy.

    I saw that video a million times over. He didn’t guarantee anything. It’s your own fault if you only see what you want.

    Your values are warped, which means you character is as well. You worship a d-bag as your idol, and you hate a person who is nothing like him for all we see. When you idolize a certain type of person, it’s because you are of the same character.

    As I said before, ANYONE who celebrates, laughs at, condones, or promotes the murders of millions deserves the same experience. I don’t have to defend that opinion to the likes of you. Look at who you celebrate. That’s all I need to know about you as a person.

  • Happy.

    Look at how petty and pathetic you are. Your strongest argument in your indictment against a stranger’s character is the amount of fingers he puts up? Get a life. You’re sad a little guy. Gambling constantly, cheating on your spouse, potentially r@ping are okay, but don’t put up fingers? You need counseling.

  • pposse

    he clearly states in there that Pat Riley can play with him out there. Your cool with the arrogance but it rubbed me the wrong way. It can be someone from anywhere in the world but here you are trying to win some bone that you picked for no damn reason at all.

    If your blind to the arrogance or perceived arrogance shown in that video then thats on you. Like i’m the only person you heard that argument from?! child please!

    Most people project what they need by saying what others should do. “you need counseling” “petty and pathetic you are” “your a little guy” All of those quotes are reflections on you son; not me.

    Sorry Happy if i put you to sleep for a while but you need to go back in that hole you came from. You aint come out better, just more bitter.

  • Happy.

    Athletes are arrogant. Jordan and Kobe most of all.

    You questioned his character because he displayed a quality your idol is famous for more than any other basketball player. You picked that bone yourself. You displayed that stupidity yourself. You showed your own true colors for the d-bag you are, just like Jordan. The lesson here? Stick to your ridiculously, silly basketball opinions. Don’t go outside the court unless you’re willing to talk about real sh!t, which you can’t. If you are unsure of what the term character refers to, then refrain from using it when discussing someone until you truly understand what you’re saying.

  • pposse

    keep on projecting unto others Happy let it all out; we are here for you. Dont you worry child heaven’s got a plan for you too.

    And when did MJ say he is winning 6 rings or talk about the 6 rings? before or after he did it? Did he say he was going to win 6 before he won 1? What about the time Lebron told the world to go back to their lives and he will go back to his after he lost to Dallas? Sour grapes much; there wasn’t a little “my life is better than yalls” response out there? But no, that’s not what he meant, or was it?

    All the complaining himself and Kobe and all the stars nowadays do, seems like ten fold compared to the 90′s. I bet you can find 10 min clips on youtube of Lebron whining. But i dont have a license to not like that kind of attitude cause if i do then Happy can accuse me of all types of gibberish.

  • Happy.

    Dude just STFU, NONE of what you are saying is as bad as the PERSON Jordan is. Punching teammates, cheating on your wife, paternity suits up the ying yang, gambling excessively ALL night before playoff games, constantly telling other players of his era how much better he was than them, TRUMP everything you typed. Bragging about “Stepping on people to get to the top” is far worse than anything you can quote from Lebron. And so what if Lebron sh!tted on people that were bashing him. You were one of those people he was talking about. He was very specific in who he was talking about, and it WAS TRUE. He’s still living a better life than those that hate him, including you. I’m not the only person around here who thinks you’re an idiot, and everything you type confirms it.

  • pposse

    your gang mentality has no effect on me; it just goes to show how some grown men who may have kids still have that inner 5th grader in them. You can take Happy out the 5th grade but you can’t take the 5th grader out of Happy. “everyone says you smell pposse” whats nexxt? “your on another level pposse” naww see i graduated the fifth grade, hs and college and i moved on see, thats how i do. You come here pick a fight then tell me to stop. Your a fool Happy.

    You can’t accept the fact that some Jordan fans may not like Lebron’s attitude? Or people in general may not like his attitude? haha, your right Lebron is a saint.

  • Happy.

    I can certainly accept the fact that people have f-uped values. That’s a fact of life. We tend to worship bad people if they play a sport well, sing, act, or whatever else entertains us. This is an entertainment-run society. Strong morals, good character, good values aren’t important to most sports fans, and especially Jordan fans. I’ve accepted that a loooong time ago.

  • pposse

    sorry i dont worship some sort of dancing queen the way you do. I seen that fool do river dances on the sidelines of games etc etc. You try to make a statement like “i dont like his attitude” get waay way too serious. Him and Dwight like to dance and look like fools all the time, they open themselves up for critisicm and because i lightly touched on it you spazz the f out. I specifically stated that i did not want to get into it but now i see why you do. You try and use me as a platform to spill out your hatred towards MJ for all things like “cheating on his wife” which by the way you are naive to the infinite degree if you don’t think Lebron does the same damn thing and gambling?! haha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GkjXOrekkxc#at=22

  • Bandwagonfan

    What redd said, lebron is a joke, and he said that lebron cant hit a shot. If you watch game 7 well. I agree with flopping , etc. but hes saying that his game is a joke

  • pposse

    im not going to speak for anyone but Bron’s game is no joke. he deserved all 4 mvps. You just won’t find many chicagoans fans of him ever. he’s givin the fanbase a million reasons to not like him and not all of them have to do with him knocking us out of the playoffs.

  • Bandwagonfan

    But as a hater, at least you dont make up stuff like lebron cant hit shot in game 7

  • Bandwagonfan

    But as a hater, at least you dont make up stuff like lebron cant hit shot in game 7

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