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Monday, July 22nd, 2013 at 1:55 pm  |  104 responses

Metta World Peace Says Kobe Bryant Pushed Dwight Howard Out


Kobe Bryant has made it clear that he’s not going anywhere for at least a few more years. Dwight Howard was clearly concerned about this, as their icy relationship never truly thawed last season. According to former teammate Metta World Peace, the prospect of playing alongside Kobe for much longer was something Dwight couldn’t bring himself to bear. Per the LA Daily News: “For someone who had professed ignorance all along about the situation, Metta World Peace sounded pretty insightful on why Dwight Howard left the Lakers and bolted for the Houston Rockets. ‘I always knew Dwight was going to Houston. Things weren’t clicking,’ World Peace said recently at Universal Studios where he filmed a segment with the Hallmark Channel’s ‘Home and Family slated to air today at 10 a.m. ‘Once Kobe said he could come back for three years, I knew Dwight was going to Houston.’ Why did World Peace think that? ‘It’s not clicking,’ World Peace said. ‘Nothing’s clicking.’ A week before free agency started, Bryant told Lakers.com he felt ‘pretty damn confident’ he could play at a high level for ‘at least another three years.’ Bryant’s $30.5 million contract expires following the 2013-14 season. Should he play two years or beyond his current contract, Bryant could’ve played the majority of Howard’s five-year deal worth $118 million. [...] Did Bryant’s proclamation about extending his career convince Howard his hope to become the franchise’s player would become nothing more than a pipe dream? ‘It’s not about being the guy,’ World Peace said. ‘It’s about clicking. Dwight never wanted to be the guy. Dwight did have some flaws just like anybody. Everybody has flaws. But Dwight just wanted to be comfortable. He wasn’t comfortable [here]. But once that happened [with Bryant's comments], I knew Dwight wasn’t coming back. I knew he wasn’t going to come back.’”

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  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    Dwight is going to kill LA.

  • Aaron

    Lol LA is gonna destroy Dwight not the other way around

  • Jake

    I’m glad now that he left. Dwight is a diva who needs his ego petted constantly. He couldn’t handle a small market like Orlando, let alone LA. So what did he do? Left the big market and went back to the small market. Houston is going to have a tough time winning a championship. No one on that staff, save McHale has any knowledge of how to win a ring. The Lakers are bred contenders, and if Dwight would have given in and accepted his role the Lakers would have given him at least one championship.

  • ChosenOne

    Kobe is going to kill Houston!

  • ChosenOne

    I called it the other day, they won’t get out the first round.

    You heard it here first…

  • spit hot fiyah

    metta, stop talking it about it

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Copy & Paste:

    - “playing along with Kobe had nothing to do with me going to Houston” — but Kobe’s personality and contract? everything. it had everything to do with me going to Houston.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    and still lose

  • robb

    Dwight’s gonna kill Houston too. Just wait.

  • RayJr

    Just happy this over and done with.

    Also, props to Metta for telling it like it is and not using weird cheeseburger analogies.

  • shockexchange

    Would you looka there? So Rent-A-Center didn’t want to play with a “glorified role player” who didn’t want to accept his role? The nerve of that guy.

  • robb

    lol

  • Jake

    I could see them getting to the second round, but they have a lot of holes on that roster. I wouldn’t like to call last year a fluke but can they really depend on Dwight Howard or James Harden to lead them to a ring? They are like T-Mac and Yao…both should have had someone else leading them.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I’d rather Dwight take a huge leap in going to Houston than staying in LA under the comfort zone that “the Lakers would have given him at least one championship”. I can respect him wanting to go somewhere else. I wish he would’ve stayed to be honest but hey I dude has to make his own legacy.

  • Fat Lever

    The one thing I took outta this story is that MWP is appearing on the Hallmark channel. THE HALLMARK CHANNEL!

  • chyea

    Howard’s still falling all over himself to be politically correct. It’s clear to damn near everyone that he wanted no part of being a clear #2 to Kobe.

  • Jake

    Yeah, it’s just frustrating that he contradicts himself constantly. He says what he has to so as not to ruffle anyone’s feathers, and he refuses to step up to the plate and dominate. Howard could have been one of the top 5 players of all time if he would have buckled down and committed. Instead, everyone is going to remember him as a blabbering prima donna. I know he’s only 28 but he’ll be starting the down slope of his career shortly, like every other big man in history.

  • Jay Brodes

    if this is true i do not want d12 in purple and gold. he got the metal make up of a 15 year old cheerleader.good luck in H-town and tear an ACL..yeah i said it!

  • kc

    lakers made the right decision siding with kobe over shaw years ago. they made the wrong decsion going with kobe over dwight this time. Welcome to the lottery laker fans.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    It is frustrating but he is just 28. I think once he settles in Houston he’ll find his way and focus i.e LeBron going to Miami. We can’t forget either that he was far less than 100% last year and still managed to average 17/12/2. When healthy this man is dominant both offensively and defensively.

  • KC

    It has nothing to do with the market. Dwight didn’t like playing with kobe just like pretty much every former lakers player(and some current ones though they cant say it publically).

  • LakeShow

    Can’t handle the big show? Adiós…

  • kc

    If he wins a ring, history won’t even remember that he spent a year in LA. Contrary to popular belief, the world does not revolve around kobe and the lakers. He was absolutely not going to winn a ring in LA with an aging and selfish kobe. Nash is way past his prime and so is Gasol. The team also has no quality defenders or talent off the bench. They just barely scrapped into the playoffs. Dwight top 5 all time??? Please don’t make me laugh. But he certainly has the chance to help turn houston into a contender.

  • bike

    ‘It’s not clicking,’ World Peace said. ‘Nothing’s clicking.’

    In a roundabout way, MWP was referring to Dwight’s brain activity. Basically flat line EEG.

  • DropDuhHate

    It doesn’t make sense for a shooting guard to be your primary option if you have/can produce a dominant big man. Big men like Dwight and Shaq are simply too efficient and dominant; they make the game easier for everyone and make their teams better. During the shaq and kobe days, the Lakers did better when Shaq was playing and Kobe wasn’t than they did when both were playing at the same time (.780ish to .753). When Kobe played without Shaq, the team was a game over .500. Also, Shaq was putting up 35+ 15+ 5 etc. Even though Dwight still has room to improve, think about it conceptually. Dwight in the low post develops a post game and then either hurts teams downlow or kicks it out to great shooters/slashers on the perimeter. Yes, everyone will harp on FT%; however, if you think about it, you’ll realize that if Shaq were to go 40% from FT and Kobe were to go 40% from FG (which is a low approximation but slightly realistic for both), you’d realize that FT% is not that deep. For instance, Shaq would go 8/20 FT and lose you a max 12 pts while kobe would go 8/20 FG and lose you a minimum 24 pts but a max 36. People then would argue “clutch ft shooting, stop the game, etc.”, but if you gain don’t lose those 24/36 and fed Shaq (highly efficient big who shot 60+% if I recall correctly) who I would say feeding the ball too would be much more effective strategy for court spacing as well, then you would hardly be in “clutch moments” Clutch moments also come so rarely but are over sensationalized. Being a great team and great player means that you don’t allow your team to be in clutch moments in the first place.

    Beating you from the outside/mid-range is not an effective strategy when playing with Kobe. The only exception to this concept is Jordan, but Jordan not only had a well-rounded game (Really well-rounded), but he had teammates who supplemented his game nicely. For instance, paxson and kerr were better shooters, Rodman was a better rebounder and better at low post D, their centers were solid, and Pippen was that do everything player who filled in the gaps for everyone. So, actually, unless you have a superior guard, well-rounded efficient guard then you can build arounda guard provided that you actually have solid pieces around him.

    I guess the only exception is LeBron than who literally leads his teams in pts. boards. assists. and steals for practically his whole career that I would say you could have a “perimeter-based” player lead your squad to success; however, LeBron has now transitioned himself to more a frontcourt style of play, but still retains alot of his slashing…so basically LeBron does do it all on the court.

    In a nutshell, picking a shooting guard over a dominant center is not the wisest basketball decision. People will say but Kobe won 2 rings when Shaq left…that is true but they don’t consider 2 things… 1) Imagine if Shaq stayed, then the Lakers most likely wouldn’t have missed the playoffs or exited the 1st round like they did in Kobe’s time. And, the Lakers did better with Shaq playing alone than they did with Kobe playing alone during the Shaq and Kobe days. 2) Kobe started finding success only when he did receive a underrated/unfairly scruitinized dominant Low-post big in Pau Gasol and had a big body in Andrew Bynum. So once again, its not that a shooting guard led his team to victories in this case, it is because good strong bigs were present.

    Jordan’s case is somewhat similar because he had Rodman who was a monster on the boards. LeBron’s though is dissimilar because he literally leads their squad in pts, rebs, assist, steals, guards the 1-4 effectively (5 is little too much), is all over the court, and positionless. Bosh has underperformed severely, Haslem and Birdman are more energy guys than consistent specialists.

    Just interesting points for discussion

  • dropduhhate

    Mental make-up? Please don’t use super-imagined, fictitious, non-relevant basketball terms. It was more of the team and the setting that he didn’t like – NOT the championship pressure, which may be real. Dwight was put in a terrible position to succeed with his injuries, lack of opportunities, playing with Kobe wasn’t best for him…etc. Please refer to my below comment to see why picking a dominant center is the more wise basketball decision

  • Jeffery L. Freeman

    “I wanna win.. But I wanna have fun also.. ” Yeah i’m sure James Harden was really close with him while he was in orlando.. “These guys are around my age.. We can grow together” Dwight even tho he’s 28 … Big men slow down faster & have to rely on skillset .. Which is only a running hook shot as of right now

  • RipCity

    if you have to choose between a top 10 player in his prime and a top 10 player near the end of his career you should always choose the guy in his prime. I understand the loyalty but it wasn’t that long ago kobe was demanding a trade. add in the torn achilles and it should have been dwight over kobe. LeBron would rather play with dwight over kobe anyways

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    man BOOO those cheeseburger analogies are on a whole nother level of…..
    .
    yeah you are right.

  • AndyK415

    Ha I was totally thinking about your post when I read that

  • Jeffery L. Freeman

    Also if you watched the lakers games.. When kobe would be going off bc the rest of the team wasn’t making shots.. You could see the hatevin dwight’s body language

  • Jake

    I said he had the POTENTIAL to be one of the top 5 of all time. He is an absolute physical anomaly. Also, the Lakers have 16 titles all time. Kobe Bryant has 5. Clearly his manner of play hasn’t impeded his career very badly. He does what he needs to do for the team to win the game. None of Michael Jordan’s teammates liked him either, and look how that turned out.

  • Conor

    “Being a great team and great player means that you don’t allow your team to be in clutch moments in the first place.”

    Guess what, dipstick, Shaq and Kobe aren’t the only two players to ever have won championships upon overcoming dire situations.

    I’m not even going to respond to the rest of the tome because you obviously prefer reading your own words rather than providing anything more than ignorant or generic input.

  • Sergio

    Agree with you. Such a bullsh!t argumentation by that clown.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “Clutch moments also come so rarely but are over sensationalized. ” so you didn’t read that part? he’s just saying, if you have a truly dominant player, you will win without needing clutch situations more than you will need a guy to save you.
    .
    it’s the same argument everyone has about Shaq, he could have won multiple titles with just about every elite wing in the league during the early 00s because he was so dominant that a clutch win was only needed sparingly.
    .
    of course there is no way to know if it’s true or not, but what the guy said does carry a logical line of thought.
    .
    Although i wouldn’t make Dwight a primary offensive option with Kobe on my team. But that is because he is not nearly as efficient in the post as dude is making it seem. He has the potential to be, but as of now he isn’t. And he surely can’t handle the ball for a sustained period of time in a playoff type situation.

  • Dropduhate

    Can I ask why you’re so offended. I was wrong in coming across as to say that Dwight was super efficient as NBK pointed out; Dwight has room to grow, but as to my other points, can you say why and how exactly you disagree?

    Basically, you’re upset because someone is logically, rationally stating that Shaq was the best on those Laker’s team aka the reason they won, Gasol was critical, and that Jordan and LeBron are better than you’re favorite player.

    The clutch argument…please. “Clutch come down to the last second shot” moments barely to rarely happen. Would you want a player who produces efficiently through the whole game or a player who “seemingly” can hit 1 big shot the end. If you subbed the “1 shot” with a more efficient you would probably not be in that position . Robert Horry, fisher, Shaq, Kobe – all of them came in the clutch. People act like it was just Kobe coming through in the clutch, while he did have big shots, his acts aren’t nearly as reproducible as concrete/hard evidence claims as opposed to the subjective “eye-test” that fails almost everyone including the hype machine media.

    But really, though, all I said was that having a dominant big is better than having a perimeter based player. How does this elicit such an angry response?

  • Dropduhate

    Correction – concrete/hard evidence claims that Kobe is not clutch, but media/fanboys claim he is the most clutch player ever to play simply because they have seen a couple of highlights and forget the lowlights.

    Only if people did the same for LeBron

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDCD-XCR5fs

  • LakeShow

    I wish we could be in the lottery lol.

  • playa

    Let’s be honest,Dwight’s not going to kill ANYONE, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME in his life/nba career& if/when fully healthy i would expect Kobe to drive,maybe even dunk on him in a few occasions.He should be thankful that Kob’s an old fart or he would be baptized all over again aka his rookie year “accident”.

  • The Seed

    Thanks Metta, you just left and talked about nonsense. Howard went to a team, that will never win a ring. I said it first. Three years from now, people will be looking back saying he should have stayed with the Lakers. BOOK IT!!

  • shockexchange

    This season Horry Jr will only have “a whole lot more talent than the rest of the L.” He’ll have ample opportunity to prove his “clutchines,” work ethic and “winning attitude.”

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Why are you even responding to this guy? lol

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ Nick Tha Quick

    Man, I wish the Lakers had sided with Brian Shaw years ago over Kobe. This would explain why they never hired him back as coach.

  • Conor

    Come Christmas.

  • shockexchange

    Is Santa going to bring Rent-A-Center back?

  • Conor

    There’s a significant difference between anger and dismissal. Your tomes are unnecessary and you seem to write them in every article. Do you have a personal bias against 24 that you feel the need to express, verbatim, multiple times every week?

    I’m a Lakers fan. Of course I understand O’Neal’s importance (best player on LA from 96-01), Gasol’s importance (two championships), how James is lauded for stealing rebounds and points from his teammates, the teams Jordan had, etc. etc. Do you know why? Because anyone who possesses a semblance of an iota of understanding for the game of basketball doesn’t feel the need to write several paragraphs explaining the aforementioned topics. It’s generic, tedious information which adds absolutely nothing to the conversation.

    Also, my favourite player from *your* perspective would be known as “your favourite player”.

    Clutch moments are marginalized to end-of-game scenarios, but what about end-of-shot-clock or end-of-quarter scenarios? Are those not clutch moments as well? I mean, it’s cool that the entire tome’s thesis is that “Kobe is overrated”, but that is, inherently, a stupid proposal if you actually watch basketball.

    The difference between Kobe shooting 8/20 from the field and Shaq shooting 8/20 from the line is that the defence is in significantly greater position to rebound off of a free throw, thus gaining possession. Conversely, on Kobe’s hypothetical misses, he either had himself to chase down the shot, a behemoth standing around the paint, and several other Lakers capable of corralling the board… which is obviously a better scenario for an offence. I mean, you’d understand this if you understood basketball, but you clearly don’t.

  • LakeShow

    Yes, let us finally judge him in his 17th year!

  • Conor

    Roboballer’s marginal brain won’t be capable of adapting to McHale/Olajuwon’s training sessions and won’t accept that Harden and Houston employ the same style as D’Antoni. Conflict shall ensue.

    What is McHale going to do at the beginning of the season, force-feed the centre who has no footwork so that teams can do exactly what they’ve done to Howard throughout his career and force him to beat them from the line? At the expense of Harden? What a loss!

    Obviously LA’s defence will likely be absolute crap, but wasn’t it so with Roboballer? It was. Their offence, however, is much better suited for the players presently employed. They are not championship-calibre, but once Kobe returns and is reintegrated, they won’t be horrid.

    Nash/Young/Johnson/Gasol/Kaman is a better starting five than Denver, Utah, Dallas, Portland, Minnesota, Sacramento, NO, & Phoenix’s respective units. LA’s bench is much deeper than last season, too.

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange agrees – LA has “a whole lot more talent than the rest of the L.” How else could Horry Jr succeed?

  • Conor

    Shaq was nothing less than an overwhelming tempest of basketball during his prime.

    Bryant – even a young, immature variant – wasn’t interchangeable with the likes of Iverson, Carter, and McGrady. Offensively, I’d argue that McGrady & Iverson were better than Kobe when they were younger (ie, pre-2002), but Bryant’s elevated, championship calibre was a product of his defence.

    Once Howard is capable of doing a simple up-and-under without tripping over himself, I’ll agree with you on his candidacy for primacy. He has the tools, but he lacks the brain.

    I thought, after the 40-14 against Cleveland, that this guy was going to be capable of challenging even the likes of Bynum and Gasol as offensively-gifted centres, but… he’s regressed since putting up 23ppg. Injuries are obviously an outstanding hindrance, but it seems as though he’s learnt nothing in the interceding four years since his Finals appearance and I don’t believe that Houston’s staff is capable of unleashing Howard. Per KAJ.

  • Conor

    HaHaHaHa

    As http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MRmxfLuNto loops eternally…

  • Conor

    Is anyone in the NBA capable of emulating even several of these moves? No.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-UvDgTUmHQ

  • Conor

    :24, 1:50, specifically.

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange is a fair contributor on here Conor, but what is his reward? All you do is insult him and try to catch fade. Hope you’re proud of yourself.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    who cares? they are moves. moves don’t = championships. efficiency does.

  • Evan Boland

    Dwight over Kobe is laughable.

  • Evan Boland

    The people that hate on Kobe are just stat heads than don’t understand the game, bro.

  • Evan Boland

    Well, he has five, so..

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Yeah and this video proves why? Lol go to sleep

  • Evan Boland

    Room to grow? Dude is on going downhill.. Has no skill..

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    take kobes nuts out ya mouth

  • Conor

    I was doing a sarcastic play on your “Jeopardy theme” staple. An homage, if you will.

    I am proud of myself.

  • shockexchange

    Conor, you’ve just outshocked the Shock Exchange … again!

  • Basketball_iQ

    You will not be in the lottery,,, you will be too good for that but not in the serious convo of winning a championship *shrugs*

  • Dropduhate

    Conor, I do understand basketball; however, I did oversimplify an argument and did not take time to factor in the boards. However, to my point, Kobe did this even when he did n’t have any formidable post player (i.e. the years he didn’t make playoffs/exited 1st round). Kobe shoots contested long fadeaway 2′s (those are his signature shots). Those are the most inefficient shots. Just because he might make a couple that look cool, people tend to say that he makes every single one and is super automatic. Kobe has game; I’m not hating. But, to say he is NOT OVERRATED is clearly ludicrous. People say Kobe might be the greatest of all time? HOW?

    Once again, my apologies for my “tomes” and my oversimplification of the argument.

  • dropduhhate

    Ummmmmmmmm, no.

    Just because people point out Kobe is overrated does not mean they don’t understand basketball.

    Kobe has game, but to say he is the GOAT (as I assume you do) is simply INCORRECT.

    How can anyone rationally prove Kobe is better than LeBron (not saying Bron is the GOAT, but still). Not even Jordan?

    You’re arguments are probably the fallacious 5>2 or wait until LeBron loses his athleticism etc. Well, looks like LeBron actually has lost his dynamism and athleticism relative to Cav days, but is actually alot better than past. But then people will say, “no” wait till he loses his strength. At worst he’d be like andre miller.

    But then people say, Kobe is more Skilled than Lebron…how do you prove this? “Oh he has a nicer looking form but shoots a lower percentage?” “Eric Gordon has a nice form but is he better than LeBron?”

  • dropduhhate

    AGREED AGREED AGREED AGREED AGREED AGREED

  • Clos1881

    Which player at this stage is gonna attract more players to come play with them?

  • Guest3

    There are two wing players during the early 2000s that would have had equal and potentially greater success playing with Shaq: Allen Iverson and Ray Allen.

    The Shaq and Iverson combo would have been dominant because both were forces to be reckoned within the painted area. Shaq and Iverson already demanded double and triple teams individually. Iverson had a good mid range game and was able to hit the trey which would have provided Shaq with enough room to operate inside. Iverson could also play off the ball: catching and shooting or slashing. But this duo would have found great success mainly because teams could not stop Shaq in the paint nor prevent Iverson from getting to the basket. Iverson`s misses would have been easy put backs for Shaq as multiple players would go over to contest Iverson`s floaters/layups. Besides their paint dominance, Shaq and Iverson also were “the best players” of that era at drawing fouls and getting to the free throw line. Iverson could have alternated between the 1 and 2, sometimes playing the point while other times acting as the off guard depending on the situation. Shaq and Iverson had a great deal of respect for one another and I can`t imagine how they wouldn`t have had success.

    Imo it`s also fairly obvious why Shaq and Ray Allen would have found success. Once again Shaq was the most dominant player and post presence in the league but he also was a great distributor. Allen would have benefited from double- and triple- teams that Shaq commanded resulting in wide open looks. In the same way, Shaq would have benefited from and been rewarded for kicking the ball out to Allen. Allen could also drive the ball, play in the post, and slash to the basket so they too would have made a great duo.

  • Clos1881

    And who on the lakers staff with dantoni knows anything about winning a ring? I like Kobe but he probably has the biggest ego in the league do you not remember him trying to prove a point by not shooting in the finals Kobe is a bigger diva than Dwight easily

  • Lloyd

    What round do you see the Lakers getting out of? Oh wait…nvm

  • Lloyd

    You sound like a bitter Lakers fan. Houston is going to be better than the Lakers for the foreseeable future, and they have a better shot at a championship sooner.

    Your interpretation of Dwight leaving LA takes the onus completely off Kobe and the kind of person he is. Dude isn’t a good teammate. The only potential draw was the chance at winning a ring with a team that was solid in the past years. When the Lakers are going to be mediocre/bad for the next few seasons, we’ll see who really wants to go there to play with him. He’s going to retire without another ring and the Lakers will wish they moved forward trying to put pieces around Dwight.

  • Evan Boland

    I don’t think he’s the GOAT, lol. Jordan is quite a bit better. Kobe has MORE skills than Lebron, more skilled in general is close. I would probably say yes. I think Kobe may be the most skilled player of all-time. But ball isn’t all about skill, but about how you put those skills to work, and obviously Lebron has superior athleticism. What separates Mike from Kobe, as Phil put it best, his strength, his hands, and how he approaches the game. But I will tell you, I know people love to pull the the BS about stats proving Kobe not to be clutch. Go watch a game. Watch the Toronto game, this year. Watch him dominate Kyrie Irving (leading 4th quarter scorer) to win a game, watch the GS game. The Dallas game was epic, too. All heroic, CLUTCH performances by Kobe. And I will never forget watching in dismay as Lebron just stood by and watched Dallas win the chip.

  • Evan Boland

    I am so glad Howard is gone. I was horrified at the thought of that loser being the face of the franchise.

  • dropduhhate

    Lol. Brotha you just made my point. People watch a couple of games and say he is super clutch, but the only way you can tell if his play is reproducible or if the player is more reliable in the clutch is by objective stats. Do I think he is clutch, sure he is…relative to average players simply because he has the ball in his hands more than average players do for the most part. But is he 1) efficient in those situations 2)consistent in those situations…NOPE.

    Basketball, judging a player is not simply based on just stats or just “looks”. If so, Wilt would be the greatest by stats unquestionably, but that’s NOT the case. But to completely disregard stats just because they don’t favor a particular player is irrational and biased.

    How does Kobe have more skills than LeBron. You are using the “eye-test” to determine something, which can be and in this case is inaccurate. Kobe’s form looks better than LeBron’s but is his FG% (even specifically for jumpshots) better than LeBron’s…nope b/c Bron was in stephen curry jumpshot % apparently for the whole series. The first couple of games for the Spurs series was an aberration, but since it was in the finals and was watched more, people seem to think the finals are the end all be all for basketball? Does Kobe have better passing abilities – No. Is Kobe a more efficient scorer – NO. Is he a better scorer – NO. People say Kobe is better because he is more well known/flashy for scoring or has a couple really sick games (81 and 62 in 3) but pick from the whole spectrum of their careers as opposed to singling out a couple of games, and you’ll see Bron scorer more efficiently and even though looks to pass first still is usually top 3-5 scorers in the League.

    Saying Kobe is more skilled offers no substance to the conversation whatsoever because 1)it is false because nothing objective proves this 2) doesn’t matter because Kobe’s production is behind LeBron’s.

    Once again, you could say Eric Gordon has a nicer looking form than LeBron, but if LeBron is shooting at a higher clip per se from the same distance, does form matter. You’re observing skill based on eyes, which can be and is deceiving.

    By the way, you pick a couple of games that show Kobe is great but a small sample of when LeBron does poorly. Double standard? By the way, I’d rather have Bron lose in the finals multiple times than get eliminated in the 1st round or not even make the playoffs.

  • Evan Boland

    Umm.. Look at their free throw %. Kobe is a better shooter. Free throws are a pretty good indicator of that, Lebron isnt solid at them because he doesn’t have a proper form. I can’t believe you’re giving me Lebron having a better FG% than Kobe as evidence to his better shooting. You do watch basketball? Is Shaq a better shooter than Kobe, too? Lebron has a higher FG%, because he is a better PLAYER.

  • Dropdihhate

    LeBron shot 40% from 3 this year and keeps improving; Kobe shot 33%. 42% of his field goals were jumpshots in which he went 43%…keep in mind that Kobe shoots long 2 usually contested and shoots 46% overall (his FG% most likely lowered by inefficient jumpshot as opposed to layups if assuming common sense/typical NBA player) i found stats on Bron and 46% on Kobe but couldn’t find jumpshot apecific for kobe so made some rational assumptions.

  • Conor

    2004-2005: Kobe played less than 70 games. Of course they didn’t make the Playoffs. Are you high?

    2005-2006: Kwame Brown lost Game VI.

    2006-2007: Lost to the better team.

    Literally nobody says that Kobe is automatic. He is capable of stringing together series of games like no one else in the NBA, but 45% is less than 100%. Your arguments are based off of invented positions.

    He and Fisher have the most championships of any player since Jordan and Pippen. Know why? Because Kobe and Jordan are two of the ten best players in the history of the sport. Know who agrees with me? Actual NBA players and coaches and executives. Know who agrees with you? John Hollinger and Zach Lowe.

    This redundant, idiotic argument is over. Seriously, just use your eyes, please. Spend your time watching games instead of poring over analytics. If you understood the game as you say you do, you wouldn’t bother making this sort of argument.

  • rkirby

    Kobe played in the post to begin the 2009-2010 season and was arguably the best post player in basketball. Footwork, left hand, right hand, ability to create off the pivot, dribble pullups, midrange, etc. Kobe is arguably the most skilled offensive player of all time. Lebron probably dreams about having Kobe’s post game

  • Junior Taylor

    The same way you said that LeBron will never ever win a championship?

  • shutup

    Jordan won without Rodman…….

  • shutup

    Robert Horry has the most championships since Jordan and Pippen.

  • shutup

    the most skilled offensive player of all time. ?????? wtf???

  • Mike From Spain

    most skilled does not mean dominant or efficient… but I can go with most skilled for Kobe.

  • Mike From Spain

    Someone can be more skilled but use these skills in the framework of worse decision-making. Kobe has more moves than Bron, but he is less dominant physically, and he is a poorer decision-maker than Lebron. I can live with both higher % for Lebron and higher skill level for Kobe.

  • Conor

    Really? I remember Jordan (year-long retirement notwithstanding) and Pippen existing in the NBA during ’94 and ’95…

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    I don’t think anyone really says that he is “teh clutchest evaaaaar”. That’s usually reserved for, say, 12 year old who have just discovered the NBA and having been watching for a year or two. People who have watched the game for a longer period of time don’t generally agree with statements like that. However, his clutchness is not as terrible as the stat-heads like to paint it either.

    Stats, to me, are subjective in the sense that they can be skewed to present an argument any way you want them to. For example, measure Kobe’s clutch success based on “24 seconds or less” left in a game (like Abbott does), and he’s not that good. In fact, guys like Shawn Marion show up at the top of that list.

    However, define clutch stats using broader parameters, and Kobe, in his prime (couldn’t find similar stats for 2001-2008), was atop the rankings almost every year.

    Specifically, when clutchness is determined (like it should be) with the definition as “4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points“, Bryant is at the top, or near the top for all the years
    that it has been documented. By this category, Kobe comes #2 in 2010, #2 in 2008, and #1 in 2009.

    If you want to read about my views on Kobe vs. the stats argument, you can access it here: http://offthebackboard.wordpress.com/2011/06/11/the-rebuttal-henry-abotts-clutch-article/

    (I’m not pimping my website, this article literally is my response to the stats being brought up, somewhat unfairly, concerning Kobe)

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    LA fans would have rioted. Practically, it makes sense to pick Dwight….but you can’t just throw away a 17 year Top 10 all-time player who was the best player on your team last year at age 34 for a guy who didn’t even fully embrace the city or play with all of his heart. PLus, Kobe only has one year on his albatross contract. It will be significantly less (15 mill?) after 2014.

  • LakeShow

    GOAT? LMAO.
    He is barely top 10 if top 10.

  • LakeShow

    Ahh, it’s good to see the Mamba go to work. Thanks for the highlights.

  • LakeShow

    I remember when Bird said he’d play with KB over LeBron a year or two back. Always interesting to see what real players and coaches and GM’s say and then compare it to the… well, nobodies.

  • Evan Boland

    Kobe 22.3
    40.7
    0.9
    5.7
    5.5
    1.6
    0.7
    3.1
    29.8
    0.466
    0.340
    0.845
    0.570

    Lebron22.3
    42.8
    1.8
    8.8
    6.0
    1.8
    0.9
    3.2
    26.6
    0.486
    0.336
    0.758
    0.575

    Mike 18.3
    41.5
    1.4
    6.6
    7.0
    2.4
    1.0
    3.2
    34.1
    0.513
    0.364
    0.849
    0.587

  • grgeblck

    I like your humor. Thumbs up.

  • DJ

    Yeah, because playing that role w/ old Kobe lead to so much success. Makes sense chumpchange.

  • Jake

    But he has 5 championships….that’s the difference.

  • http://inst.ag/u/adrian_le_dieu/ Adp

    Lol u think lebron is better than kobe?!?? You need to go look at kobes track record, tell me when lebron sets the record for most threes in a game like kobe did, or score 40 points 4 consecutive times, or have 3 consecutive 50 point games, or drop 81 then drop 65 in madison square, and lets not forget about the olympics when kobe didnt play in like the 2007 (wat ever year it was) they lost and brought home silver, but the next team with that had kobe they won a gold medal and lebron said “watching kobe bryants work ethic has and being around him has made my game better” melo also said this with others on the team, they all said kobe has the best work ethic in the nba. Lol lebron doesnt even have as much post moves as kobe. Then when kibe goes to work on his post game with hakeem, lebron goes and does it 2 years later trying to be like kobe.

  • http://inst.ag/u/adrian_le_dieu/ Adp

    Do u all realize that kobe holds the record for most game winners in a season?

  • http://inst.ag/u/adrian_le_dieu/ Adp

    Robert horry is retired and played in the same era as jordan, kobe as of right now has the most chips as a active player, alone with d fish.

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Haha.. yeah

  • Interdico Scriptor

    man.. that’s a loooong post.. crikey. My essays aren’t that long.. and they take me weeks!!

  • Interdico Scriptor

    How good was prime Shaq compared to prime Howard.. no comparison

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Agree with Iverson/McGrady… not Carter.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Offensively. Yes.

  • disqus_wdLdx4W76r

    Lol D12 over KOBE!? Anybody who watches today’s NBA knows the best teams don’t even have a Dominant big man..But one thing I will say is that Aslong as KOBE is on the Lakers don’t expect them to attract Top free agents. Especially after this epic fail

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