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Sunday, July 7th, 2013 at 1:22 pm  |  119 responses

Shaquille O’Neal Says Dwight Howard Couldn’t Handle ‘Being Under the Bright Lights’


Well, this was expected: After Dwight Howard chose Houston over L.A., you had to know DH’s biggest detractor would have something to say about it. And he did. Per ESPN: “Shaquille O’Neal says the Los Angeles spotlight was too bright for Dwight Howard. Speaking at Daytona International Speedway on Saturday, Shaq hammered his former colleague as if they were battling in the post. O’Neal opened his mouth agape when asked about Howard, who chose to leave the Lakers for theHouston Rockets late Friday, and joked about cheering on Dale Earnhardt Jr. and Danica Patrick in Saturday night’s race. A few seconds later, he threw an elbow Howard’s way. ‘It was expected,’ Shaq said. ‘We’ve all been in L.A., and not a whole lot of people can handle being under the bright lights. Everybody wants to do it, but when you get there, there are certain pressures. I think it was a safe move for him to go to a little town like Houston. That’s right, little town. I said it.’”

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  • OfftheWall87

    Much easier for Shaq to talk about handling pressure in LA when he had a young Kobe Bryant to play with and help with that pressure. Dwight would be playing with an old Kobe. Big difference there. He also had Phil Jackson coaching him. Dwight could have had Phil, but Jim Buss didn’t want him. Going by the video of his comments, I think Shaq’s shots were more directed at Houston with the “little town” comment than they were at Dwight for choosing to play there. Either way, he should remember Hakeem Olaujuwon and his Rockets giving him and his Magic the business in the 94-95 NBA Finals before he talks about Houston in a negative way.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Houston is pretty Little. Little town, little state. Shaqs right.

  • OfftheWall87

    Now that I think of it, I believe Shaq mentioned that he actually lives in Houston now during an Inside the NBA show a few months ago. Strange…

  • took

    I’m pretty sure he was talking about media wise. Compared to LA, the spotlight and pressure to win under it is very minimal in Houston. Still, Shaq is a moron.

  • Swaggerthousand

    Hold uh hold uh hold uh hold uh. Young soihuzy gotz a lots prob wid that shaqstoozy comment.

    Y’all now y’all kno young crauce the closs shot the moss.

    I’m tired all y’all need forplay the corplay with snorlay.

    Look king of the kong Isotope the prongs we know for fact

    The new rockets are better than laker 3peat

    Patrick Beverly > d fish
    James harden >>>> kb8 not kb24 but prime kb8
    Chandler parson >>>>>>>>>>> rickytothy fox
    Omer Asik>>>>>>>>>>>> samaki walker Robert Harry and Horace grant
    D12<<<<< shaq

    Lakers only get rockets at center

  • Norewager

    Dang swaglacross

    You forgot the refrees always favor the LACKERS

    So no team can beat them

    Btw totally fabulous comment smooches

  • Norewager

    Dang swaglacross

    You forgot the refrees would cheat for LACKERs so no team could beat them.

    Btw totally fabulous comment smooches

  • Enigmatic

    At this point for Howard, worrying about Shaq would be like wondering if the sun gone come up (shout out to Omar Little).

  • thebossman15

    oh so now kobe was important during his years with shaq? you are all over the place with your nonsense,wasnt it you just the other day trying to completely disregard kobe during his first 3 titles, you dont even know what your talking about, just stop commenting.And sure he remembers Olajuwon beating up on him in his 2nd yr in the league, im sure it doesnt matter much too him, after all he still played extremely well and did end up having a much better career, regardless, you bringing that up was pointless.

  • spit hot fiyah

    let’s move on

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Shaq did not have a “much better career” than Hakeem Olajuwon.

  • RKJ92

    Oh shut the f*ck up kid, like seriously.. all he said was a younger Kobe Bryant is better then an old Kobe Bryant, now will you grow up and act your age please?

  • Realtalk Realspit lil nukkuh

    it is what it is…

    Lakers will land a huge free agent/#1 lottery pick in 2014 b/c the NBA can’t afford for lakers to suck…or can they? The NBA was just fine when KOBE HAD A TEAM SIMILAR TO LEBRON’s CAVS and IVERSON’s SIXERS…the only difference tho was that KOBE, who finally didn’t have prodigious help, led them to losing records/1st round playoff exits.

    Lebron is Better than Kobe…objectively speaking… Kobe has 5 rings but got bailed out on 1 and had shaq for the three… Look up stats = you finding that the lakers actually were a WORSE team with Kobe on the floor without shaq and were actually BETTER with Shaq on (aka shaq aka 35+ 15+ nightmare to guard…yeah he couldn’t shoot freethrows (let’s assume 40% as a an example…then he total misses 6 points from his average so instead of 44 pts he has 38…he more than made up for it with his effective field goal percentage besides Kobe who loses more than 20 pts by missing more than 10 field goals…ya’ll can’t be serious LAker fans/Kobe fans)…

    C’mon dawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwg… why can’t people look at stuff objectively… Yeah I’ll admit that Kobe put up some raw numbers individually BUT he did NOT actually help his team win (which is the definition of a great Basketball player)…PLUS IT’s so much easier for players to get numbers up when DOMINANT, SKILLED players like Shaq and LEbron (actually analyze post moves of shaq and athleticism…everyone says LEbron is the most intelligent basketball players PLUS HIS ATHLETICISM HAS GONE DOWN AND HE’s STILL BEASTIN what do people want Lebron to lose all his athleticism and strength and height and weight so he can be a small slow guard from the 60′s… LEBRON WOULD AT WORST BE LIKE ANDRE MILLER WITHOUT HIS GIFTS be REAL THO)

    Thanks for Reading and please comment with some sense before ppl start saying Kobe Rings 5>2 but don’t say Pippen 6> “5″ or 5* when Pippen aint get no Love when he played a more crucial role than Kobe…

    Realtalk real spit

  • Lloyd

    I like Shaq but dude has to stop. No one think Dwight was ever better than him so I don’t know what he’s trying to prove with this little vendetta he has going against him. If it’s only over a nickname, dude needs to let it go.

  • MikeC.

    What the hell is that?

  • thebossman15

    really? how the f*ck do you figure that? i guess if you set aside the fact he has twice as many rings, better stats, was arguably the most dominant big of all time..i guess you have a valid point..smh

  • OfftheWall87

    You must really be 15. Idiot, I never said he wasn’t important and you’re a fool for thinking that’s what I said or simply not being able to read what I said. I said he wasn’t the most impactful player on that team which he wasn’t. Go sit down.

  • OfftheWall87

    Wilt Chamberlain is the most dominant big of all time.

  • spit hot fiyah

    arguably most dominant and never led the league in rebounding can’t co-exist when talking about centers

  • thebossman15

    pretty sure i said arguably

  • roscoe

    i wear bigger shoes than you…. but does it matter.

    can’t wait to hear this argument you are about to get going.

  • thebossman15

    just shutup ur the idiot, by saying he had a young kobe to help with that pressure you were implying that kobe was a big reason they won those championships and you know it clown, he might not of been the most impactful statistically,but i honestly dont even think you watched any games during that title run because if you did you would know shaq got them started and kobe would almost always bring them home in the 2nd half, there is an actual stat that shaq scored something like 70% of his points in the first half..and for the record kobe averaged roughly 26,6,5 whereas shaq averaged roughly 29,14 for their championship run, google it if you think im lying, stupid as hell too say they would of won without one or the other

  • thebossman15

    dude get off his nuts, why are you always there to have his back, are u his boyfriend? f*ckin fairy

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    epic

  • OfftheWall87

    I never said he wasn’t a big reason. What is wrong with your comprehension skills? I said he wasn’t the biggest reason. Notice the difference?

  • OfftheWall87

    The embarrassment continues for you.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I don’t think he was implying anything. He’s usually good at saying what he means when he comments. I think you’re reading too much into it. All he was saying was that Shaq never had AS much pressure as people think because he had a contributing KB8. That doesn’t mean he said that he was the BIG reason but a reason nonetheless.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Damn it I just got done typing that lol

  • OfftheWall87

    Not sure it’s arguable. Most dominant of his era? Sure. But not the most dominant of all time. 30 points and 23 rebounds a game for Wilt for his career. They didn’t record blocks then but I think he had a few of them. 50 points and 26 rebounds a game one season. Shaq wasn’t as good of a defender as he could have been. And he wasn’t as good of a rebounder as he could have been.

  • OfftheWall87

    The Lakers fanatics will be coming after you. Give them time.

  • RKJ92

    really man.. grow up..

  • Benjamin Majier

    Man I’ve never seen someone analyze the game so critically. If I didn’t know any better John hollinger must have wrote this himself (except the ghetto black talk destroys that idea lol). Great piece of work. Slam should hire you.

  • playa

    “Kobe did not actually help his team win” . “Pippen played more crucial role than Kobe(by your logic he was a better player than kobe i assume)”- And you want us to comment with SOME SENSE, im SPEECHLESS…….

  • playa

    He’s just telling it how it is, and maybe he is disapointed beacuse he was counting on Dwight to be the next big thing in LA?

  • halcyon

    Well, basketball fanatics should as well. A few of the highlights; Kobe not really a great basketball player (numbers only guy), comparing being competetive in the East vs the West (makes a huge difference), Pippen playing a more crucial role than Kobe… LOL.

    There’s just no middle ground when it comes to people’s opinion of the Kobster.

  • Y-gay

    Dude what grass are you smoking. Kobe has 5 rings and heart something lebron doesn’t. If tie game 7 who would you want playing. This dude should write for the anti-Kobe magazine.

  • Josh Bowman

    Shaq is critical on him mainly because Shaq see’s his potential and the immaturity that diminishes it. Shaq is a giant kid at heart too, but knew when to play basketball at his highest level. As far as the “Kobe/Shaq” argument, 2 of those rings were made possible via Robert Horry. The defense of Rick Fox played a huge role too, people focus so much on individuality that it ruins the example the game left in the 90′s.

    I do think Pippen played a bigger role in a sense than Kobe did in those first 3 titles. Kobe is an amazing “Me” player, probably the purest scorer to play. Shaq took them to 4 straight finals, gets traded and Kobe can’t even get past the first round. Shaq ends up in the Eastern Conference Finals, the winning a title the next season.

    It’s about being a facilitator, Shaquille made the teammates around him better because he was a match-up nightmare that drew several defenders to him. Kobe dropped buckets, but then again Kobe’s need to play “hero ball” in close games almost cost them a ring against Boston…enter Pau Gasol/Ron Artest. People put “God Like” labels on Bryant when he is amazing…but ends up hurting his team with his erratic shooting more than helps. LA fans can be as blind as they want, it’s expected…that is their hero. Though if you watch the games, pay attention to the tempo…the Lakers are at their best when Kobe isn’t playing HIS way.

  • OfftheWall87

    I think he meant he wasn’t really a great all-around player as in elevating his teammate’s level of play while still getting his as well. Great individual player. Everyone knows that. One of the best individual players ever. But compared to LeBron, Shaq and some other legendary players, he wasn’t on their level with the impact he had on his team and winning. The championships that his defenders bring up when someone says that he wasn’t a great team player or winner don’t make him a great team player on their own.

    For most of his career, the West has been the better and deeper conference. But some of his fans talk about him having the same kind of influence on the Lakers as Shaq did. If that’s the case, how did he miss the playoffs after Shaq left? Shouldn’t he have been able to take Lamar Odom and Caron Butler to the playoffs? These are things that can be discussed. And what can be held against him is something like losing a 3-1 series lead against the Suns in 06. The same series he decided not to shoot one game. If you’re a great team player and you’re 1 win away from advancing, you’re the best player in the world, you can’t decide not to shoot and then say on national TV that it was a part of the system and you were just going along with the game plan.

  • Gook

    Get out of here. Kobester has heart. He’s a competitive manimal. We are we are the youth of a nation.

  • Evan Boland

    This is one argument I can admit I have no idea. Do you think Wilt would have dominated like that, in the modern NBA? ‘Cause wasn’t there no 3 seconds, 24 seconds, offensive goaltending and stuff? Do you think Wilt would have been superior to Shaq had they played in the same era? From the little I have seen of Wilt he looked beast, but I really have no idea.

  • Objective

    Yo homey, I think you missed the point right quick of the dudes argument tho cuz lemme articulate

    1) Rings don’t define a player’s career; Finals MVP do. If Rings did, then why doesn’t Pippen get much love and Kobe does when in fact they both were CLEARLY the 2nd best players on their title teams are were bailed out (Kobe against Celtic game 7 when Perkins injured (not so big) but Gasol and Artest bailed him out for his 6-24 fg…his 15 boards were nice tho. Shaq was a monster who just gets underrated b/c the potential he had – NOT for what he did (35+ and 5+ plus the blocks and good number of asst). People rag on him for missin ft’s, but apparently he hit all the free throws when need be. Let’s say as dude above did that shaq shot nearly 40% from free throws and shot 10 -20 fts a game. Then he would lose on 6-12 pts. But Kobe shoots 40% and takes 10-20 shots per game then he loses at minimum 12 points and at maximum 36 pts if all 12 were 3′s.

    2) I would EASILY pick LEBRON because he is the All time leading scorer (a shade ahead of Jordan) in Game 7′s and I believe elimination games as well (check me on that). Additionally, Bron has better stats in the clutch than Kobe. Sure he does not have as many “game-winners” per se as kobe in volume, but 1) his teams are usually not in that position 2) statistically he is clearly better than kobe in that regard meaning that his performance is more likely to be reproducible.

    I like Kobe; he’s ill, but people overrate him too much. It’s not that he had Shaq or probably had the most help out of any superstar ever…it’s what he did without them and also the stats of his inefficiency and inability to make team winning percentages better. How many times have you heard of stats like “when kobe isn’t playing the Lakers do better or when Kobe doesn’t shoot over 20 times or score over a certain amount the Lakers win significantly more?

    Come on bruh and recognize that sensational, “fancy/flashy” basketball does NOT equate to good basketball. Andre Miller has NO flash but is still go

  • OfftheWall87

    Sadly, I think the nickname has a lot to do with it.

  • OfftheWall87

    Offensively, he may have been effected by how the game was played during the 90s/early 00s. But he would still dominate the boards and block shots.

  • halcyon

    Look, its pretty obvious from your post that you didn’t watch the Lakers closely back in 04-05. If you did, you would know the Lakers were on pace to make the Playoffs that year until the team totally unraveled with injuries after the allstar break (including injuries to Kobe), not to mention the whole debacle with Rudy Tomjanovic. Furthermore, the 06 Lakers HAD NO BUSINESS being up 3-1 to the Suns to begin with. No one, and I mean no one, predicted the Lakers making the playoffs that year. Yet they were one rebound away from a massive upset.
    And say what you want about Kobe, but the dude went to three straight Finals sans Shaq and won two.

  • OfftheWall87

    ….after Pau Gasol arrived. What was expected or predicted means nothing. If a team is up 3-1 and their best player decides not to shoot, there’s no justification for it. He hit a game-winning shot in LA to beat them and take a 3-1 lead in Game 4. They lost 3 games in a row. The momentum was on their side. No good reason for them losing that series.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    They def won’t land a #1 pick….

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Jason Collins won’t like this

  • Slick Ric

    1) Cant believe this comment has so many likes….I’m not even a Kobe fan, I used to dislike the guy growing up until around 02′ but I’ve noticed this disdain for Kobe for a while now. This comment is so Bias, you can talk about all these perceived Kobe flaws but the moment you bring up Lebron’s, you’re labeled as a hater.

    2) I have to say Lebron and Iverson( my second favorite player to KG growing up) carrying their teams to the Finals are two of the most overrated accomplishments in the NBA. The East was putrid when Iverson and Lebron made it to the finals. Neither one of these guys faced a team as Good as the Phoenix Suns on their journey to the Finals. The Pistons were over the hill and their defensive anchor went to the Bulls that season the Cavs beat them. There were EIGHT different teams to come out of the east in the 00-10 era, while there were only three western conference teams to come out of the west…Jason kidd never gets the amount of praise Iverson and Lebron do for leading his weak ass team to the Finals in this same conference, not once but twice….Is it because he’s not a scorer?

    3) Its interesting that you bring up Kobe being bailed out, I wonder if people are going to look back at Lebron’s second championship the same after he damn near choked the game away in game six?

    4) Pippen played a more crucial role than Kobe did to Shaqs Lakers? Nothing further from the truth. Pippen does not get as much love because Kobes role was bigger if you look at things objectively, Not only was Kobe the designated playmaker(like Pippen) but he was a MUCH GREATER Scoring threat as well. Shaq/Kobe was closer to being a true “Big 2″ than MJ/Pippen was. Pippen was bailed out in the Finals a couple of times as well.

    5) Yes, Lebron is better than Kobe but your comment was not worth the likes it got what so ever, its the antithesis of what you say it is(objective) with so many untruths.

  • Roy Blumenfeld

    Shaq has been going after Dwight for years. I am a big Shaq fan, but he is off base on his critique here. Dwight left because he saw that the poor management (which stems from Jim Buss’s flawed vision of winning his own way and hands-on style) is going to prevent the Lakers from contending. Maybe now that they’ve shed Dwight’s salary, they will consider signing a big name in 2014 and get back on track. You can’t fault Dwight for being skeptical of that though!

    Furthermore, it seems like Shaq hopes we all have forgotten that “little town” team kicked his butt in the finals back in his Orlando days!

  • swaggyP

    People are simply going to look back on Lebron’s Game 6 and say he got bailed out simply because they do not appreciate nor like Lebron (who has never been in a public scandal, always been praised by teammates, always seems to have a great time with teammates, gives back to the community tremendously, has different foundations) simply because LeBron went on a TV show and said he wants to move from Cleveland to Miami. Yes, he did the PEP RALLY and said NOT 1 NOT 2 NOT 3 to express his excitement and to hype the fans up because that’s what you do in a PEP RALLY…honestly all of the negative press and hyper hate towards LeBron is really media-fueled, unsubstantiated. Not saying that he should be revered because I don’t know the dude personally and really don’t care to because I like Basketball for Basketball – not the WWE equivalent NBA media storylines.

    With that said, how can people look at 1 play and say LeBron got bailed out. Bailed out means when other players actually show up, play, and produce. If No Lebron, then easily NO fourth quarter comeback, and NO win and most importantly NO CHAMPIONSHIP…

    Lastly, came across an interesting statistic for those who hype Wade and Bosh up all the time simply for their resumes and not their current status… Jkidd and Terry 2011 MAvs outproduced/performed Wade and Bosh…

  • OfftheWall87

    Iverson was so much better than the second best player on his team that I can’t call that 00-01 season an overrated one for him and the Sixers. They got past the Pacers, a team that had eliminated them two seasons in a row with Reggie Miller, Jalen Rose and Jermaine O’Neal. It took 7 games for them to get past Vince Carter and the Raptors and Ray Allen, Sam Cassell and Glenn Robinson and the Bucks. It was a struggle. Not easy.

    The Pistons weren’t as good as the Suns? I disagree. They won 53 games the season LeBron and the Cavs beat them and got to the Finals even without Ben Wallace. The Suns won 54 the year they won 3 straight game against LA and eliminated them in the first round. And they didn’t have Amar’e. Them not having Amar’e is pretty much equal to Detroit not having Ben.

    LeBron scored 16 points in the 4th quarter in Game 6 against San Antonio and hit a big 3 point shot minutes before Ray Allen hit his big shot. He wasn’t about to choke away anything. Had a triple double. I know everyone likes to use the word “choke” with him whenever he doesn’t perform the way they wish he would perform or hit game-winning shots like Jordan (as if he has to), but if they had lost that game, the thing that would stand out more than anything would be him exploding in the 3rd quarter and putting the team in position to win at all.

    There are a lot of folks waiting to call you a hater once you point out specifics and details about Kobe Bryant’s career also. Let’s not act like it’s just those who say something negative about LeBron on here.

  • OfftheWall87

    *4th quarter

  • jon

    i would say, GOOD RIDDANCE…the one season in LA just proved that D12 is really difficult to handle…he just have that “attitude”…his focus is really a questionable one…and most importantly, he cant accept CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM…time to move on kupcake…

  • Junior Taylor

    If I remember correctly Shaq put up 29/12 on 55% shooting vs Hakeem in the Finals. The Magic were swept but Shaq more than held his own vs Dream.

  • OfftheWall87

    He held his own, but for him to talk about Houston the way that he did, you’d think he dominated them during his career.

  • robb

    I’m pretty sure he would’ve been willing to face that pressure if the Lakers had a coach with a system that fitted that group of players, but they don’t have it. While what Shaq said may be true to a certain extent, that was not the main reason why he left.

  • Slick Ric

    Great point about the Amare injury, forgot about that but even if he had got past the second round, he still had Dallas or the Spurs waiting on him, so he was going to take them any further.

    I wasn’t saying it was easy, I’m simply saying it was overrated, After MJ retired, the Eastern conference was like the NFL to me, any team could get hot at the right time and make it to the finals only to ultimately get beat by a superior team from the west with a few exceptions hear and there. You have to remember the Knicks going to the finals as a eight seed in 99.

    He had a GREAT early fourth but at the end of the day, you cant deny when the pressure really mounted and the possessions became scarce in the waning moments of the 4th, he missed more shots than he made and had a couple TO’s, If not for Ray making that Gigantic three, things would be different. He stepped up in game seven though, undoubtedly his best game of the series.

    Not like Lebron, people are more receptive to hearing Kobe[‘s flaws, you bring it up about Lebron and you clearly dont know basketball.

  • Slick Ric

    Where did you see these statistics because I’d like to see them. If memory serves me correct, Wade had a better series than Lebron in the 2011 Finals.

  • grgeblck

    Shaq is still doing his things best. Talk and talk and talk….

  • DaRealNess

    Idk if he talkin bout 2011 terry and kidd vs. 2011 wade and bosh. I heard somethin like 2011 terry kidd outproduced 2013 wade and Bosh, but fellas can we just appreciate greatness when we see it and stop nitpickin’ lol.

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    I don’t think he was implying
    anything. He’s usually good at saying what he means when he comments. I
    think you’re reading too much into it. All he was saying was that Shaq
    never had AS much pressure as people think because he had a contributing
    KB8. That doesn’t mean he said that he was the BIG reason but a reason
    nonetheless.

  • DaRealness

    http://thesportingtruth.com/?p=2035

    Fellas I think this where he got his proof from.

    Seems legit. I personally seen heard some of the stuff this brotha been talking bout.

    But folks lets just appreciate basketball regardless of who playin’ cuz they sure better than all of us at da game lol.

  • fruizm

    Nice…

  • Basketball Coach

    no he’s not, Shaq has been a critic to Dwight long ago, he really needs to trim his comments down.

    http://basketballcoach.ca/

  • halcyon

    after Pau Gasol arrived..? And that means what exactly? No one wins a championship on their own. Are you seriously trying to hold it against Kobe how his team fared from 05-07, when his starting lineup featured Smush Parker and Kwame Brown? Please. Kobe needed one more allstar next to him to take home the title, as is usually the case with ANY superstar player. How many championships did Lebron win before he decided to team up with TWO allstars in their prime? You are not biased at all are you.

    As for expectations, and whether or not they matter, let me ask you this: what is the difference between Lebron’s first and second Finals loss? Why was one loss accepted, while the other deemed as a huge failure? Thought so.

  • havoc33

    Plus, if not for that Allen miracle, Lebron’s legacy would have been seriously tarnished. People are quick to forget that 3 games into the Finals, everyone was scratching their heads as to where the heck Lebron was. It was not a great series for him overall, but winning cures everything.

  • havoc33

    Why is it then that several of the players that played with Kobe either posted career best (at that point in their career) or played some of their best basketball alongside him? To name a few; Mihm, Odom, Gasol, Smush, Kwame, Brown, Butler…

    Kobe might not have this overall effect on his team anymore, but in his prime he was pulling scubs into the Playoffs, and look what happened when Gasol joined. Instant contender.

  • havoc33

    The most help out of any superstar ever? I would think Lebron during his three last trips to the Finals would also easily qualify for this.

    Plus, your point about shooting percentages and losing pts is flawed, and simplifying the game at best. Iverson never shot a high percentage, and it didn’t stop him from carrying his team to the Finals in ’01. If it’s a winning strategy or not depends on team makeup and loads of other intangibles.

    As for Kobe specifically, the key for opposing teams has always been to turn him into a volume shooter. It’s not so much if he shots over 20 times or not, but is he making his shots? Connected to this, look at the win % of the games where Kobe scored more than 40 pts in his career (the last two years have scewed the numbers somewhat, but in his prime, the numbers was clearly beneficial when Kobe topped 40)

  • OfftheWall87

    Caron Butler played his best basketball in Washington, not LA. Lamar Odom played his best in Miami, not LA. Kobe didn’t make Gasol better. In his prime, he was a great individual player, but he never was a playmaker because he didn’t want to be. He was a lethal scorer and great defender, but never a passer capable of winning a game without scoring 30.

  • OfftheWall87

    I just can’t call what AI and the Sixers did overrated especially since they walked into LA in Game 1 of the Finals and beat the Lakers. Even with the Lakers taking that long break after destroying everyone before the Finals, no one expected Philly to come close to getting 1 game. And if they had anyone who could put the ball in the basket besides AI, it would have been a tough series for LA. On paper, that roster was not one that people would look at and predict that they’d be the 1 seed in the East.

    LeBron turned the ball over a few times at the end of the 4th, but we have to talk about the full game, not just the mistakes. If he had not scored those 16 points, the Heat wouldn’t have been in the game at all and they would have been blown out. The criticism would have been heavy on him had they lost the game without him showing up at all in the 4th quarter. But he did. I don’t know what people expect from him. The way some talk, it’s as if he has to score 40, make perfect decisions and play exactly like Michael Jordan in order for them not to take issue with him in the playoffs after 2011. It’s nonsense.

    You talk about Kobe’s flaws here, and you’re a hater or a LeBron “rider”.

  • OfftheWall87

    If not for his 16 points in the fourth quarter, his legacy would have taken a hit…until the next time he got to the Finals and had a chance to win again. But he’s 28…it wouldn’t have been disastrous for him. The only people who feel that it would have been that bad are the people who don’t want to see him win anyway and are rooting for him and his team to lose and have been since they joined together. Or the fools who compare him to Jordan.

  • OfftheWall87

    The comment that I was responding to said that Kobe made it to the Finals 3 more times without Shaq as if it wasn’t because of Pau Gasol coming in and helping after he had wanted out of LA. The point I was making is that Kobe had the most dominant big man of his era and the most skilled big man in the league when he won championships. And if you’re going to bring up LeBron while talking about Kobe…he had an injured Wade with him when he won the first time and an even worse Wade the second time along with Bosh who was more of a defender and rebounder than anything else the second time…never did he have or need the kind of big men Kobe had to get it done.

  • pposse

    just stop talking; “never did he need the kind of big men Kobe had to get it done” – yah cause he had the 3rd best SG of all time and a HOF PF on his squad..in their prime. Lebron is and will be playing with more talent than the rest of the league for the foreseeable future don’t try and make it out like its something else.

  • OfftheWall87

    No, LeBron wouldn’t qualify for that. Wade has been hurt in two of the last 3 postseasons. In the last two Finals, his knee has been pretty bad especially this past season. Dude had his knee drained the day of a game and considered not playing because of how bad it was.

    What helped Iverson with his bad FG% (a result of taking tough shots mostly because he had to with that offensively challenged group he played with) was the team’s defense. Their winning strategy was defense and Iverson’s scoring.

  • Lloyd

    It’s sad because I’m pretty sure it just started with the nickname, now it’s just irrational hate for the dude. Makes Shaq seem petty.

  • OfftheWall87

    Don’t be stupid. I know that’s hard for you because of your dislike for them which results in your ineptitude when it comes to forming sentences when talking about the Heat. Pay attention. We all know you don’t watch anyone but the Bulls and you struggle to even see them as they really are.

    Wade was hurt in the last two Finals. Nowhere near his normal self except for a few games. Look at the playoff stats this past season. LeBron averaged 26, 8 and 6. Wade was all the way down to 16, 5 and 5. Bosh only averaged 12 points and 7 rebounds. LeBron’s sidekick averaged 6 less points in the playoffs than he did in the regular season and the 3rd option was down 5 points from his regular season scoring average so it’s foolish for you or anyone else to suggest that he was playing with more talent than the rest of the league as if Wade was healthy.

  • OfftheWall87

    Also, Wade’s prime was from 05-06 to 09-10. Not from 2010 to now. You’d know that if you watched a team other than the Bulls play. Bosh is also no longer in his prime.

  • pposse

    its funny you talk about injuries to hype up your man and your argument, when you can use that same stupid form of logic to put a damper on the overall competition that your guy was playing against. Exactly who was healthy on the Bulls this year in the postseason? And which guy was it again that the Heat played in the finals who was a cut away from tearing his hamstring again? get outta here with that nonsense talk. Wade also showed up in Game 7 with timely jumpers, hell he showed up in all games that mattered. The threat of having 2 other superstars besides lebron is enough of a threat.

    And what? Wade’s prime was one year? lol are you crazy? for the past 5 years (besides maybe this year) Wade has been out performing and out producing one Kobe Bryant. Ask ALL your buddies on this site about that and they will tell you the same. Just ask who the best SG was for the past 5 years to anyone you think is knowledgeable on here and they will tell you.

  • OfftheWall87

    Did you see the 05-06 to 09-10 part…is that one year to you? lol Can you see? That’s 4 years, not 1. Go sit down. Everyone knows what you’re here to do. Let grown people talk.

  • pposse

    let grown people tell you that Wade was the best SG since 08 – present. Sit down youngin.

    And completely ignore how the competition in the playoffs were all injured too…I see you have nothing to say about that either. You are some piece of work

  • OfftheWall87

    You’re a Bulls fan, nothing more. Not even a good one. The Heat would have gotten past the Bulls even if they had Rose and everyone else because the Bulls are Rose and some other dudes offensively especially when it matters most regardless of what you say. LeBron would lock down Rose in the 4th quarter as he did in 2011 regardless of what you say. Rose’s shots would be short in the 4th because of tired legs just as they were in 2011. Boozer would get pushed around by Chris Bosh just as he did in 2011 somehow. The Heat got past the Pacers who could have won that series if they had a PG. But that was a tough series that a lot of people thought Indiana would win before it started and even during it.

    Wade wasn’t better than Kobe this season or last season. He was better from 05-06 to 10-11.

  • pposse

    so i guess Wades prime also was the years in which he had his shoulder injury..got swept out of the playoffs in 06-07…missed a ton of games in 07-08 (didn’t make the playoffs right away)..in essence his “prime” as you put it was like 3 years.

  • pposse

    you don’t know that…you don’t know what the Bulls would have been capable of for the past 2 playoff runs, because the best player was not playing! you can sit there and try and put your best Miss Cleopatra impression forward, but you know nothing of the unknown. Trying to discredit someone constantly by saying “your a bulls fan” is so damn childish. That’s all you resort to cause like i said earlier ..you have zero answers for the unknown.

  • OfftheWall87

    06-07: 27, 5 and 8
    07-08: 25, 4, and 7

    When he played, he was the best two guard in the league. Still prime years even with the injuries and games missed.

  • OfftheWall87

    They were no different than they were in 2011 and the Heat were better than they were in 2011. With Rose playing, the Bulls would have still struggled to score. Boozer was no better. Deng was no better. Noah doesn’t even need to be talked about when it comes to offense. Butler was okay, but not good enough to help in any significant way against the Heat. Calling you a Bulls fan isn’t discrediting you..it’s what you are. A better description for you would be a Heat hater. You couldn’t even give LeBron credit for the Finals win. nbk predicted it and you made it happen.

  • pposse

    he was the best sg in the league from 08- present. Anyways..stop getting sidetracked. You keep talking like Lebron and the Heat were the only one’s with injured players..go ahead. And believe that “people” were saying that Indiana was going to win that series. Betting lines were never in favor of Indiana but go ahead and believe what you believe..Santa Claus is coming to town in less than six months youngin, i’m sure you can’t wait.

  • OfftheWall87

    No, from 05-06 to 10-11 he was the best shooting guard. Kobe has been better than last two seasons. You no longer deserve a response because of how stupid you are with this. You’re incapable of any kind of thinking or substantive argument when it comes to the Heat and James. Continue on with your ridiculousness so that those of us who actually know what we’re talking about can read and laugh.

  • pposse

    because D Rose played how many playoff games in 11-12? and how many in 12-13? 1 oh yeah, thats right.

    So now your are basing the Bulls game off of what exactly? The regular season OR the one playoff game D Rose played in the last two years? Because I also remember you only taking playoff stats into consideration when discrediting the Bulls chances against the Pacers..so are you back tracking on that too? So now, is the regular season indicative of the way playoff basketball will be played? Like i said you have no leg to stand on with your theory on the Bulls..in large part because our main piece didn’t play in the playoffs for two years.

  • pposse

    Right in 05-06 when Kobe was dropping the league off with 35 ppg Wade was better than him. Wade was also better than kobe the next year when he was dropping 31 ppg. Yeah yeah people are laughing…

  • OfftheWall87

    Yeah, because points are the only thing that matters.

  • OfftheWall87

    What was going to change about the Bulls in 11-12 compared to 10-11 when they lost to Miami? Again, was Boozer or Deng any better? Even with Rose, nothing was going to change until they got a two guard who could help him out with the scoring and creating. Nothing at all. Did they have that guy? Was Rip Hamilton at 33 years old going to do anything to help? Nah.

  • pposse

    oh yeah and those two championships. Or how about the fact that Kobe was named MVP in 07-08? lol dude just stop. He wasn’t better than Kobe until 08-09. Kobe guys will even argue that. I almost wish you were right, being that Wade is from Robbins Il. but see, i’m being objective here. If you can’t sit around and admit that Kobe was the better SG until 08-09 season atleast..then you are only proving to be a Kobe Hater. Not one to have a reasonable conversation with in regards to anyything Kobe.

  • pposse

    what was going to change? i have no idea..because see i don’t want to get into the unknown. What i do know..D Rose, Thibs and co. had a full year before the 11-12 season to think about losing to the Heat in the conference finals. He was ready to go, and there is no reason for people to believe that things would be the same…seeing as how our team was showing imporvements in a lockout shortened season. unfortunately it wasn’t meant to happen..torn ACL.

  • OfftheWall87

    Yeah, because championships and MVPs are individual accomplishments. Nevermind the teams they were playing with. Wade had the better overall individual season both years. Better FG%, more assists, roughly the same number of rebounds.

  • pposse

    One moment Bryant is the second best sg ever..but now..in order for you to ‘win’ this debate you go off and say Wade’s been the better SG from 06-11. Your basically saying that Wade was a more lethal player in his prime than Kobe ever was. It pains me to say this cause i don’t even like Kobe, but you are wrong. Kobe proved he was the better player in his prime.

  • OfftheWall87

    It’s not the unknown. Based on what we saw, the team was no different around Rose other than old Rip Hamilton being on the squad. And Rose needed almost a triple double for them to get by the Sixers in Game 1 before he tore his ACL. 23, 9 and 9 and Thibs was uncomfortable enough to leave him in the game. You think they would have gotten past Miami if they struggled with Philly? Thinking about losing means absolutely nothing. Until they got another young guard to help out, nothing was going to change. No one cares about them being frustrated about losing or being “ready to go”. They were not going to beat Miami as they were constructed which is why no one understood why they waited until the last minute to pick up Rip Hamilton when we all knew they needed one of the other younger shooting guards who were free agents during the summer.

  • Trout

    I’m sorry but I’m gonna have to borrow this for work.

  • pposse

    they had a whole year to make adjustments, and game plan. The gamplan goes out the window when you lose your star.

    You’re basing your argument on one playoff game now? please, TheBossman15 called you out; looks like you just say stuff to win arguments but completely contradict what you say in other posts.

  • OfftheWall87

    Wade being better from 05-06 to 09-10 doesn’t take away from Kobe being the 2nd greatest two guard ever. What is wrong with how you process information? Wade was a more complete player than Kobe when it comes to elevating his teammates level of play. Kobe’s scoring and defense in his prime puts him ahead of him on the all-time list as far as SGs go. He was his best the seasons he got bounced in the first round and missed the playoffs. But Wade is top 5 because of his efficient scoring, assists and defense. Plus his run in the 06 Finals. Don’t care what anyone says about how many free throws he shot against the Mavs. He did more damage at the basket and with jumpshots than he did at the free throw line.

  • OfftheWall87

    Bossman got shut down just like you are now. What game plan were they going to implement with Rose not having any more help than he had the previous season? And Miami being better? They weren’t going to improve anything from the inside. They needed another player that they didn’t have.

    You can’t point to anything I’ve said to contradict myself. You’re just incapable of reading or remembering exactly what you read.

  • pposse

    what gameplan were they going to implement? I dont know, neither do you, Rose never had his chance at revenge. The unkown is the uknown period. Go ahead and base the Bulls shot with a healthy D Rose one one playoff game against the sixers, go for it be my guest.

    I can point to a gang ton of people on here that will disagree with you on who the best SG was from 06 – 10. Actually ever last person here will disagree with you on that. In one instance in Wade in 06 was the best sg on the planet cause he won a championship. But then in another Kobe is not the best SG on the planet cause of his play in 08-09 when he won a championship? That’s a contradiction right there. I already gave you examples on how you contradicted yourself before that.

  • OfftheWall87

    No, Wade is top 5 all-time partly because of that performance in the 06 Finals. I said that clearly. See how difficult of a time you have with reading?

  • pposse

    acceptance is just another stage. You have a long ways to go.

  • OfftheWall87

    You just don’t want to say that your Bulls would have still lost. That’s your problem. I don’t care about Rose wanting revenge. He’s my favorite player, but he wasn’t going to do anything different against Miami because he didn’t have the help he needed. That’s not an unknown. Look at that roster. Rip Hamilton wasn’t going to do much to help at that age and his skillset wasn’t what Chicago needed to beat Miami. It was still going to be too much for Rose to do against LeBron and those guys.

  • OfftheWall87

    Admit you either misread or simply didn’t understand what I said. Foolishness and stupidity is your only stage. Doesn’t look like you’ll get past it especially when it comes to Miami and LeBron James.

  • pposse

    i’m not going to say anything that i dont know..plain and simple. You can sit there and say all you want that Lebron would shut down D Rose again; but that just makes you sound ignorant. You are aware that Rose has one of the better if not the best work ethic in the league right? Are you aware? Answer the question first. You are also aware that Tom Thibodeau is one of the best coaches in the league right? Answer the question first. You are aware that its the NBA coaches job to put his team in position to win right? Are you aware of this? You are aware that a good coach would have noticed that the games against the heat changed in the 4th when Lebron guarded Rose right? I mean Thibs, Rose and co. had a whole summer to create offensive sets, disect video tapes, and plan on executing a gameplan to beat the Heat. No one knows what would have happened. You telling me or anyone else what would have happened is just speculation pure and simple.

  • pposse

    D Wade was the better player in 06 because of his stats and efficiency..not because he won a championship over Kobe. That’s what you said right?

    Kobe was also inferior to Wade as a bball player in 07-10 as well; a timespan in which the Lakers won 2 championships. Did i miss something or did i touch ever base?

  • OfftheWall87

    None of that matters. Pay attention closely. There is not one player on that team who would have helped him score because they weren’t capable of it. Not skilled enough. Don’t care how hard Rose works. Don’t care how good of a coach (defensively) Thibs is. He’s average offensively. Great offensively, average defensively as a coach. Without that player they needed, they weren’t beating Miami. Don’t care how much film they watched. Rip Hamilton wasn’t going to put them over the top. Period. It’s not speculation. Look at the roster. They didn’t have enough.

  • pposse

    its all speculation. Its nice how you play it out like its a fact, when its not, but alas you are wrong. Same way your wrong in trying to say Wade was the better ball player from 06-10 over Kobe. Same way your wrong for not admitting that Lebron has a superior team than the rest of the league.

  • havoc33

    Kobe never a playmaker? My god, I should have known better than to go into a discussion with you. :D Your agenda is clear as day. Since it’s obvious you haven’t watched much Laker basketball, I suggest you go read Phil Jackson’s books to get a better understanding of Kobe’s role during the two championship periods. Then again, you will probably get no more out of those books than your confirmation that Kobe was “uncoachable”, as your bias won’t allow you to take in any other valuable basketball insight the books might provide.

    As for Caron Butler, it is absolutely true that he played his best basketball for Washington. If you read my post again, did I even say anything else than this? No, I merely listed a group of players that came in and played with Kobe after Shaq, and they either played some of their best basketball or posted career numbers at that point in their career. As a matter of fact, Caron Butler has gone on record many times stating how he loved playing alongside Kobe, and how it “was the best thing that ever could have happened” for him in his playing career. “To play alongside a guy like that, see his preparation and what it
    takes to get to that level, that’s why I was able to be so good in
    Washington. I took everything I learned from him, being under his wing,
    and took that to Washington and it made me very successful.”

    And yeah, Odom posted better individually numbers in Miami, but most will argue that he played played his best and most successful basketball during those championship runs with the Lakers. He was the glue to those teams, much in the way Pippen was for the Bulls.

    But I suppose all these guys were successful alongside Kobe not because of him, but despite him. I won’t take this any further, because it’s no fun when you are only trolling and making biased assumptions.

  • havoc33

    Your argument is so flawed, how can you not see this? Every superstar in the league has needed help to get it done. Flip the coin then, who did Shaq need in order to win his first championship? Only the second best SG of alltime in Kobe (to take it even further; Shaq has never won anything without the best or second best guard in the league playing next him (Penny/Kobe/Wade). Who did Magic have? Only Kareem and Worthy. Who did Bird have? McHale, Parish etc. Who did MJ have? Only Pippen and Rodman etc. And Lebron needed Wade and Bosh, two other allstars and the third best SG of alltime in Wade. See where this is going?

    Kobe had no chance of winning from 05-07. His team was bad, and he was playing in the highly competitive West. These things matter you know.

  • DaRealness

    Realtalk,

    Look at the current status of players and NOT their resumes to see how they do…

    Wade played Garbage except for a small small amount of games. Bosh is wack in their system. The only reason the Heat win is b/c of Lebron… Small ball with spread out 3 point shooters is the dumbest/riskiest/ inefficient offense…the only reason it worked because you got Lebron (a guy who can guard 1-4 he can’t guard the 5 c’mon dawg that well) who literally leads their team in a pts, rebs, assist.

    The bulls had clear cut advantages at all positions except for Bron… an athletic Jimmy Butler at SG or an injured hobbled Wade???

    The PACERS (who may come out of East next year) were better at EVERY SINGLE POSITION HAND’s down except Lebron’s…even Paul George made it not necessarily a Clear cut advantage. The Pacers are constructed better, the grizzlies are constructed better, the Spurs are constructed better… In all honesty the Heat should NOT have won this year against the Pacers and maybe against the Spurs. But Lebron clearly led that squad…say what you want but Wade is a shell of himself for the TOTALITY OF THE PLAYOFFS NOT JUST a couple games…Bosh gets 1 crucial board NOW is the reason that the heat won? If he were producing from the Get go they wouldn’t be in that position…

    Dawg, look at current status and not resumes you’ll see how the Heat are usually outmatched on paper. Chalmers aint even a top 15ish point guard, Wade is injured which causes him to disrupt the whole flow of the offense and take inappropriate, inefficient long two’s early in the shot clock, , [insert a shooter who can't play D; shooters can get cold and get ho which is risky], Lebron is Lebron, and chris Bosh who don’t get boards and aint producin’ to the talent he has…

    Look at current status and NOT resumes bruh

  • pposse

    Look at the teams leading up the finals the Heat had to go through. Milwauke? Bulls (injured)? Pacers (legit). Spurs (tony parker aka best player with a nearly torn hamstring)? If Wade was %100 they Spurs would have gotten molly whopped.

    What got the Heat the favorable matchups in the easter conference? The regular season record. During the regular season Wade was 21 5 and 5. He put in work throughout the year, he was injured in the playoffs but every team was injured! No one is just staring at the resume. I’m not saying the Knicks would have beat the Heat, but it would have been a lot harder had they have to go through the Hawks, Knicks and Pacers (the way the Pacers schedule was like) right? Lebron led the Heat, no denying that, and the team wouldn’t win it all without him, but he still plays around the most talent; talent that comes out of no where to change the course of history (ie ray allen game 6) when victory was all but locked up for other teams.

    Every team has injuries.

  • Evan Boland

    “Rings don’t define careers, Finals MVP’s do” Hahahaha. Come on man. Really?

  • Evan Boland

    ‘Bron got bailed out. FACT.

  • Evan Boland

    Everyone is ripping on Dwight Coward, now. Not just Shaq.

  • Lloyd

    Where have you been the last couple of years? Dwight’s biggest critic (no pun intended) has been Shaq since before the “Dwightmare” even began. Dude has something personal against him and it really is just the “Superman” moniker.

  • Rasta

    Bullcrap! Dwight just wanted to get away from that ball hog kobiyatch. kobe don’t make players better he saps the talent right out of them!

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