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Friday, August 2nd, 2013 at 10:50 am  |  142 responses

Jimmy Butler Says Bulls Can’t Let the Heat Three-Peat


by Marcel Mutoni @ marcel_mutoni

The rivalry between Chicago and Miami is one of the best, and fiercest in the NBA. The League’s marketing folks know this, of course, and they take full advantage.

The Heat will reportedly get their championship rings on Opening Night with the Bulls looking on and stewing.

According to Jimmy Butler, Chicago wants to make sure that never happens again — Butler says that the Bulls “can’t let” LeBron James and company win their third straight title.

Per ESPN:

The South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported last week that the Bulls and Heat are expected to face off against each other in the season opener on Oct. 29. Bulls third-year guard Jimmy Butler says he and his teammates will not be looking forward to seeing LeBron James and Co. get their championship rings. “I don’t think anybody wants to watch that on our team so we won’t pay too much attention to it,” Butler said. “They deserved it. They won a championship, definitely, but they got to deal with the Chicago Bulls for 48 minutes coming out right after that, they get their rings.”

Butler also acknowledged that there is a growing dislike between the Bulls and the Heat. The Heat have knocked the Bulls out of the playoffs in two of the past three seasons. “I think so,” Butler said when asked about the dislike between the teams. “But it’s not just us, it’s the city. That rivalry, it’s crazy. They’re the back-to-back champions and when you think three-peat, you think Chicago so we can’t let that happen.”

The Bulls have talked a lot about the Heat the last three seasons, but so far, that’s all they’ve done.

Jimmy Butler’s playful bravado is likely boosted by the knowledge that Derrick Rose will re-join Chicago’s war with Miami next season.

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  • Ishmael Jenkins

    It’s not really up to them unless they get another player who can help D-Rose create offense. Indiana’s the team who could challenge Miami. And Brooklyn is better built for it than Chicago is also. They have 3 guys who can create off the dribble for themselves and teammates (D-Will, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce). Chicago has 1 (Rose).

  • shockexchange

    First Martell Webster now Jimmy Butler … why is it that the mediocre players want to make bold statements. Sort of like when you holla at the fine girl in the group, invariably it’s the basic chick (the one you weren’t talking to) who speaks up. *Welp*

  • MUBWAR

    ‘when you think three-peat, you think Chicago’ really? so what did the lakers do in 2001 to 2003? worry about the best team in your division(pacers) first instead of the back-to-back champs

  • bobby

    Not a bulls fan, but if i was id be happy to see him talking like this. Butler seems like he really wants to help his team win. These teams def have a rivalry now.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I like the fire from Jimmy but I have to be honest. As stated in the thread they’ve talked the past 3 seasons and 2/3 they’ve gotten ousted by the Heat. I understand you want to dethrone them but you have to actually go out there and do it.

  • pposse

    skewed stat; the best player on the Bulls wasn’t even playing in one of those series

  • shockexchange

    Nothing wrong with bold talk, but it seems like he’s bragging about what someone else – D. Rose, Noah, Luol Deng – are going to do. Now all we need is a quote from Jordan Crawford bragging on someone else’s beefcake – “That’s why my boy slept with your girl!” – and the circle will be complete.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    This I know but he was indeed playing the first year they met and Miami wasn’t even clicking 100% chemistry wise and they lost in 5 games with homecourt advantage. Like I said I like the fire but let’s see some results.

  • pposse

    2nd year player plus he will prove that he is not mediocre.

  • shockexchange

    He has potential, but as of now he’s merely a role player.

  • pposse

    another skewed stat. Chemistry wise the Bulls were playing first year under Tom Thibodeau too.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Yet they still had the best record in the NBA.

  • JibbsIsBallin

    Bulls and every other team inthe NBA probably feel like its up to them to not let the Heat 3peat. Butler was pretty humble last postseason when they played the Heat, but now he seems to be running his mouth. A lot of that fire they had last year came from Nate who is no longer a bull. Rose will definitely need help.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Not sure it can be called a rivalry until the Bulls beat the Heat in the playoffs. Rivalries involved two teams that both dislike each other and beat each other in the postseason. At this point, it’s just two teams that dislike each other, but that’s not enough to call it a rivalry.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    He has to prove something before he talks. Agreed.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Not everything is skewed because the Bulls lost. Open your mind and stop being so biased. If they lose again next season, what will it be, it’s just Rose’s first year back after the injury?

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Exactly. When a team wins 62 games and gets to the Conference Finals with homecourt advantage, there are no skewed stats. They just lost to a better team.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Agreed. They better be worried about the Pacers. Respect has to be paid to Indiana before Chicago.

  • MUBWAR

    thank you ishmael for telling it like it is.

  • pposse

    they had the best record 2 years in a row when the best player for their team was playing. Yes, the bulls lost in 5 that first time around, but c’mon bro that series was a lot closer than the 5 games suggested. The games were close throughout..Lebron, Wade, Bosh all in their prime..D Rose a 3rd year player (22 yrs old). Rose was getting shut down in 4th quarters but seriously he was 22! All i’m saying is that they never got a real chance for revenge.

    How can it be that chemistry wise the Heat get a pass, but the Bulls don’t? You say best record, but who had the second best record?

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    A lot of excitement with Rose coming back. I think he let it get to him with these comments.

  • ses

    The last time we (the bulls) played Miami on ring ceremony night, the heat got manhandled by 42 points at home!Im loving the statement from Jimmy Buckets. We have a point to prove; we will be back atop the eastern conference, just like we were b4 Drose went down….

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Right. You won 62 games with a first year head coach so I’d say the chemistry was there but the Heat talent wise were too much to handle.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Let me know the last time a team with LeBron James on it lost by 42 points.

  • shockexchange

    Ismael and Pposse both have good points. The Heat was the best but the Bulls were climbing the mountain, learning how to win. The Heat got off easy after D. Rose went down. The Bulls had the defense capable of stopping the Heat, and they had the X-factor – D. Rose – to cancel out The Kang.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    In no way am I saying it was an easy series. My initial point was put your money where your mouth is. I agree that they weren’t healthy this past series but then why talk? Just go out and play. You can’t run off at the mouth and then when you get spanked the excuse is “oh well they weren’t healthy so they never had a real shot at revenge”. As far as giving the Heat a pass I never did. I was stating that the Bulls had better chemistry than them that’s it and the Spurs had the second best record in the NBA that year if that’s what you were asking.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Be atop the EC huh? How’d that go for you guys last time? Just kidding just a little stab as all.

  • MUBWAR

    any day of the week. The pacers took the heat to 6 games 2 seasons ago and were a couple missed layup from king james away last season from reaching the Finals.

  • pposse

    The best player was 22 on the Bulls. The coach was a first year Head Coach, let alone the Bulls coach…first year coach in the NBA. How is this being biased? Those are facts.

    I find it funny how regular season means something one day, but then in other posts its all about playoffs and regular season doesnt matter.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    They didn’t get off easy. The Celtics gave them a pretty tough 7 game series and they were better built to knock them off than Chicago was. Even with Rose healthy. Was 33 year old Rip Hamilton enough to get them past Miami? Highly doubt it. Defense is one thing…but they also had to score against a pretty outstanding defense themselves in the Heat.

    D-Rose wasn’t and isn’t enough to cancel out LeBron. The only player in the league who could even think about being that guy is Kevin Durant. D-Rose isn’t an X factor. He is the only factor on offense. They don’t have an X factor guy because Miami still only has to concern themselves with Rose on offense as things stand today.

  • pposse

    Second best in the east I meant…third overall i think.

    Exactly what did he say? He is asked a question, its not like Butler decided to have a press conference and say what he said. Plus what did he really say? “we cant let them 3 pt” “they deserved their championship” – the fact is D Rose did not play last yr, its not an excuse….Jimmy just like myself, you and probably the whole world cannot wait until these teams meet again in the playoffs with their roster in tact ofcourse.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    There are no excuses. The Bulls actually won game 1. Wade wasn’t 100%. If we’re giving excuses, Miami had some too. Wade was hurt. Spo’s first year coaching LeBron and Bosh.

    What comment did I make that made you bring up the regular season/postseason comment? Because I didn’t say a word about the regular season. Your bias is shown with you making excuses for a 62 win team with homecourt in the Conference Finals. A team that gets that far doesn’t have any excuses. They just lost to a better team.

  • shockexchange

    Okay, maybe with a healthy D. Rose the debate will be decided this year.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    If they had a real PG, they would’ve beaten Miami last season in my opinion. Might not have needed 7 games to do it either.

  • pposse

    exactly thats all i’m saying give them a shot with their roster in tact.

  • JibbsIsBallin

    Hmmm…42 point loss in season opener or winning two rings in a row….priorities priorities priorities.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Oh ok wasn’t sure which you meant. I understand he was asked a question and like I said earlier I like the fire he brings but I want to see some results is all. It gets a tad tiresome always hearing/reading qoutes from Bulls players about the Heat the past 3 years and they’ve won a combined 2 games over the 10 playoff games they’ve played. Don’t mind the talk just results is all I’m asking. I’m very excited to see the Bulls at full strength and hope they can truly compete.

  • pposse

    the bulls were the younger more inexperienced team. This is shown when Rose was getting suffocated by 3 Heat players in the 4th qtr. The adjustments weren’t made in a matter of 10 days (which was probbaly the length of the series). – on the flip side, i dont remember Wade being hurt, sure Spo didn’t get to coach Lebron and Bosh but then again those guys were in the league for 7 yrs at that point.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Think he was referring to this last series regarding Wade being hurt.

  • pposse

    slam knows what they are doing, they made a sensational headline and got everyone all riled up. but yeah i can’t wait for the season. I can see how basically anyone can get annoyed at some of the comments Noah has been making. Outside of him i haven’t heard of anyone getting out of line with their comments tho.

  • shockexchange

    How the Shock Exchange remembers it, the Bulls and D. Rose were giving the Heat all they could handle, and then some. Judging by the Heat’s body language on the floor, they were very wary of the Bulls. It was reminiscent of the old Detroit Pistons and the Jordan-led Bulls. They could feel a changing of the guard, if not this year then next.

  • JibbsIsBallin

    THAAANK YOU!!!! One franchise player can’t do all the winning plus take them to the postseason in the NBA. You gotta have support players. Lebron (cavs) and Iverson (sixers) were probably the only 2 guys to have a winning season and take their teams to the finals. Rose won’t take the bulls to the finals by himself.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    And that’s really who gets annoying to me. I’m not even annoyed with Butler’s comments because I would expect to hear that. I guess it’s a combination of Noah and a few Bulls fans who get annoying. Needless to say if they do meet again it should be very entertaining.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Thibs hadn’t coached the Bulls guys either…but Boozer had been in the league 8 years. Deng had been in the league 6 years. Noah…3 years. So that won’t work either. LeBron and Wade on him being hurt in the ’11 Conf Finals:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/717251-lebron-james-dodgers-fire-candice-crawford-and-mondays-top-sports-stories/entry/89075-2011-nba-finals-is-dwyane-wade-and-the-miami-heat-hiding-some-sort-of-injury

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    How was it that they were feeling a changing of the guard when it was their first year together themselves? They were tough games because of the Bulls style of play. But when a team wins 4-1, the conclusion is simple to reach. The body language on the floor during 4th quarters of games 2 through 5 showed no signs of them being wary. But I did see Rose getting exhausted. I saw his legs leave him on jumpshots that were short. I saw his teammates clank shots all over the place. I saw LeBron lock down Rose because he, like his teammates and coaches, knew that if Rose wasn’t going to do it, it wasn’t going to be done. Which is why he said that Rose was just one teammate away from being a problem after the series was over.

  • pposse

    only boozer got to the wcf once before and his chemsitry was limited with Rose because he broke his hand. Deng advanced once out of the first rd prior to this run, Noah – never did. They were young and inexperienced. That loss in the eastern conference finals was/is the experience that any future success (if they do win the championship in the future) will be based off of. Not the same for Lebron or Wade – they have been in the league way too long and had those same experiences years before the playoff matchup…so yes it will ‘work’

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Ask Iverson about how tough it was to even get 1 game against the Lakers in 01. The East was worse then than it is now so I’d compare the Heat to those Lakers. But AI needed 48 points and overtime to get 1 game against LA. At this point, with the roster they have now, Rose would have to go off like that to put any kind of fear into Miami.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    No, it won’t. Pay attention to what you said. You said LeBron and Bosh had already played 7 years before Spo coached them. LeBron had been to the Finals in 07 and gotten swept. Besides that, he had 1 trip to the Conf Finals in 09 and a few second round eliminations. I said Boozer had already played 8 years before Thibs coached him. He made the Conf Finals and also had a few first round and second round eliminations. So not much of a difference there. Experience wise, they were similar at that point. Unless you put any stock in 4 Finals games where the Spurs destroyed the Cavs. And no need to really talk about Bosh because he never made it to the 2nd round in Toronto. So Boozer and LeBron roughly similar experience. And Boozer had more experience than Bosh.

    Boozer broke his hand during the preseason. In October. He played his first game the first day of December. So there were no chemistry issues by May the next year. That’s 5 months, plenty of time.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ugh……you are acting like Miami was used to playing each other the first time they met Chicago. When Miami won that series in 5 the year Rose won MVP, Miami was in their first post season together too. They improved a ton since then. There is no reason to actually believe Chicago is going to win the East.

  • spit hot fiyah

    not trying to defend butler too much here, or maybe i am. he just said we can’t let that happen. and while indiana deserves their respect, the bulls might face the heat before the face indiana in the playoffs. and he did prove something after all, it can be argued that he was the second best player on the bulls in the playoffs.

  • pposse

    but there is no reason to believe the Bulls haven’t or will not improve since then? okay got it nbk thanks for dropping knowledge.

  • pposse

    make it simpler for you. Count the number of playoff games Lebron, Wade and Bosh actually played throughout their careers. And compare that to Noah, Deng, Boozer and then tell me that they had the same level of experience. You go out on a limb and say some stupid things all in the name of proving i’m some bulls fanatic. If you want, lets add rose in there too, add udonis haslem for the heat.

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange was actually referring to the Heat and Bulls throughout the regular season and playoffs. The games SE saw, the Bulls took the Heat’s best shot and countered. The Kang, Black Ric Flair, et. al. didn’t like it at all. Isn’t your comment here – “Which is why he said that Rose was just one teammate away from being a problem after the series was over” – the equivalent of “being wary of the Bulls” and “feeling a changing of the guard if not this year than next?”

    Anywhoo, there may be a silver lining in the D. Rose injury. In his absence, Noah, Deng, Butler, et. al. have been forced to step up and be assertive. When he returns, other guys won’t be so shy about stepping up and earning their paychecks.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    sure, believe they improved. there is nothing wrong with that. but to act like they improved and Miami sat in neutral is intellectually dishonest. that’s all i’m saying, Chicago needs to more than improve as individuals. They need to literally add pieces. They need to get significantly better, not marginally.
    .
    Now i’m not saying they can’t beat Miami, I’m just saying you are coming off as if you are expecting Chicago to win. Which in turn, comes off a bit arrogant.

  • shockexchange

    LA had Shaq, the most dominant player since Wilt. Secondly, the new look Nets notwithstanding, the Bulls have the best defense in the the L and the three things that give the Heat fits, (i) size, (ii) guys who stay in the pocket and accept their roles and (iii) “lightning in a bottle” in D. Rose. The Heat are still the favorites but in no way upending them is as insurmountable and any team Shaq played on in his prime.

  • pposse

    NO! well, i’m not trying to. I just can’t wait to see them play. The only ‘controversial’ point that I am trying to make is that the Bulls never had the shot to go at Miami when fully healthy after the 2011 playoffs..thats it..don’t read too much into it. I don’t expect them to win, i dont know whats going to happen, but I don’t expect them to just lay down and get trampled on.

    I edited this comment, I’m also fully aware Miami got a lot better. I seriously think that if healthy they will break some regular season records this coming year.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ahh! my bad, there we totally agree. i was heartbroken when Rose tore his ACL. And i do think Chicago will have a chance to best Miami, not a great chance but a chance none-the-less. I’m really excited to see a possible matchup between them and Indiana or Brooklyn. I think that’ll end up being the best playoff series next year, no matter what round it takes place.

  • pposse

    Everyone is saying we are in need of a shooting guard, but IF Jimmy Butler can be that guy (meaning he is averaging around 16 ppg on %45 or better) and Deng produces near those same numbers, then there really is no reason to not believe that the Bulls have a legit shot at dethroning the Heat. There is not a big sample size on Butler, but he elevated his game from the regular season to the post season, he has size is athletic and atleast according to his twitter he is working hard int he offseason…him being the break out player of the year is not far fetched.

  • shockexchange

    Don’t forget the emergence of Nazr Fugazzi – “Warrior Benchwarmer.” If he can get any of the Heat’s Big 3 ejected then a Bulls/Heat series is a pick’em.

  • pposse

    Yes Nazr will be most crucial. Heard he’s been doing those LA boxing classes, he is poise to lay the smack down on anyone who so dares to breathe on Rose.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    bud, Deng is not going to be a Chicago Bull through the end of the season.
    .
    I’m as high on Butler as anyone, in fact I think he’s going to be a top 25 wing this season. But as of right now, we still have to see what Chicago does with Deng.
    .
    The team is almost 20 million over the salary cap. Jerry Reinsdorf is not one to pay the luxury tax. Let alone the repeater tax. So, things will probably be different by the middle of February.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    EXACTLY! There’s a difference between “bad blood” and a “rivalry”.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    He has to do it for a sustained period of time. He didn’t even start all of the games last season. Just 20 of 82. And had Deng been healthy in the playoffs last season, he wouldn’t have gotten all of those minutes.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    No, that’s not the equivalent. Especially since the Bulls chose not to get that player two summers in a row. If the Bulls had gotten that player, that would be a discussion. But they don’t have him. And the Heat are better than they were during that season. The Bulls are either the same or slightly better. But not significantly.

  • spit hot fiyah

    but he did and he performed and now he will start, so good for him :)

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    I didn’t go out on any limb. You’re just unable to say something so simple. I laugh at how hard it is for you to say “The Heat were a better team”. But I know you. I read posts on this site during the Finals. Aren’t you the same dude who gave love to Mario Chalmers and Ray Allen, but not LeBron during and after the Finals? Aren’t you the dude who mentioned Ray Allen’s shot after Game 6 but said nothing about LeBron’s 16 points in the 4th quarter? Yeah, that was you. So I’m not surprised.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Good for him. But it’s not enough for him to be talking though. Confidence is great, but do a little more before you mention the 2 time defending champions and them having to think about your team…a team you just earned minutes on months ago. All I’m saying.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Miami had/has LeBron, a top 10 all-time player and the most dominant player in the league now. The Heat have arguably the second best defense. Miami has something that gives every team fits…LeBron James. It’s so much easier defeating a team who’s best player is the point guard (a scoring PG at that) than it is to beat a team who’s best player is one of the most physically gifted players ever and plays 4 positions effectively.

    D-Rose now is similar to AI in Philly or LeBron in Cleveland. Great in the regular season winning games, but when they meet a team with multiple creators on offense and a great defense, they’re no match for them.

  • pposse

    so how many more playoff games did they play again?

  • pposse

    I changed my mind Ish-Fail Ray Allen was lucky to even get such an opportunity, if it wasn’t for Lebron and his 16 points Ray Allen would have had nothing to do with anything. Lebron was the hero of that game, not Ray Ray. It’s okay for me to change my mind right? Or is Lebron the only one able to do that? You happy now?

    Anyways..stay on topic…

    Lebron James – 92 playoff Games, D Wade – 87 playoff games Chris Bosh – 32 playoff games, Udonis Haslem – 78 playoff games

    Vs.

    D Rose – 28 playoff games Deng – 37 playoff games Noah – 28 playoff games Carlos Boozer – 60 playoff games

    Lebron played in three times as many games as D Rose and Noah and 2.5 times as many as Deng. He played 32 more games than Boozer in the playoffs, but experience is unimportant? LOL. You know when experience matters most? in the 4th quarter! When ALL of those games were decided. You’re tactics are elementary. In one instance Boozer has more experience than Bosh but in another Boozer has “roughly the same experience” than Bron?! CHILD PLEASE. Go sit in a corner and digest what you just said. The numbers are right in front of your face now. Everything you accuse me of..you in reality are. You are a Lebron fanatic..open your eyes bro.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    This shuts down everything with you…you are the same dude who said you wouldn’t have a thing to say about them if Wade and LeBron had joined the Bulls in 2010. That was yesterday. But since they didn’t, you have all of these issues with them, especially LeBron. And you have so many excuses for the Bulls. Now, the Heat deserve blame for the lockout (what you said yesterday). LeBron almost choked in the Finals until Ray Allen and Mario Chalmers saved him (what you said during/after the Finals). Had both of them been in Chicago, you wouldn’t say your favorite team basically caused the lockout. You wouldn’t be talking about how greedy Wade, James and Rose were (what you said about the Big 3 yesterday) especially if they had won championships. And you wouldn’t be here trying to make excuses for why the Bulls lost in 2011 instead of flatly saying “The Heat were a better team”.

    You’re a sad example of a Bulls fan. Your angle with this is clear. It’s not about playoff games played and experience. It’s not about how young Rose was or how little chemistry the Bulls had. You’re still crying about Wade and James not joining the Bulls in 2010. To that I say get over it and stop being so sensitive.

  • pposse

    What does any of what you have to say have to do with experience? I said my peace about game 6 on a game 6 thread, it has nothing to do with the bulls. I said my peace about Lebron James and the Miami Heat as it pertains to Lebron being the president of the players association, again, what does that have to do with the bulls? I said my peace about the Bulls lack of and then added expereience on this thread, one about Jimmy Butler saying that they have to beat the Heat. You trying to correlate everything into one “shuts down everything with you post” is a classic example of Ish-Fail.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Nothing you say about the Heat means anything and shouldn’t be taken seriously by anyone with any common sense who’s looking to discuss the Heat or Bulls without biases. Check my other response…your issue isn’t playoff games and experience. You’re upset that they didn’t choose your team in 2010. If they had, you’d be here talking about how great the Bulls are. Especially if they won championships. Pretty much shoots a bullet in the heart of your credibility. It’s all gone.

    Stay sensitive if you’d like. Everyone else will be talking logically and sensibly. While you cry about every comment that’s not positive about the Bulls and you “hate” on James and the Heat at every turn. Keep making yourself look foolish. You’re great at it.

  • pposse

    you are not a psychiatrist. Don’t read too much into anything. This issue IS playoff games and experience, i already responded to your dumbass post.

  • pposse

    so the experience the Heat had over a younger bulls team means nothng..okay. How does that even make sense? Seriously

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Aww, now you’re sensitive and upset that you’ve been found out. Poor kid.

  • pposse

    I don’t know man. I have a feeling Deng would take a pay cut and somehow make this work. Rose, Noah got him on the side if need be (if he wants it). I dont pay attention to the dynamics of other basketball teams, but a lot of these guys on the bulls atleast make it seem like they truly do support each other off and on the court.

  • pposse

    you mean found out like how you will be posting under a different sn in two weeks? whose the icon goin to be this time son?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    take a paycut? that doesn’t affect this season. The team has to get rid of Deng or Boozer in hopes of not spending an extra 30 million in luxury tax. I know you are well aware of Reinsdorf and how much he doesn’t like wasting money. The safe bet is that Deng doesn’t make it through the season as a member of the Bulls.

  • pposse

    If somehow some way the front office can convince Reinsdorf that this 30 million will be a one time thing…I gotta believe he will make an exception..just this one time though.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Ish-Fail…ooo how long did it take for you to think of that? lol This is hilarious man. You didn’t address your comment from yesterday about you not saying anything if Wade and James were on the Bulls. You said they were greedy for joining up in Miami but if they joined up in Chicago, you wouldn’t say anything because you’re greedy too. Completely idiotic but that’s what you said. You don’t see how anyone with any sense who reads that would see clearly what your real and true issue is? What’s sad is that you don’t even appear to be smart enough to see it yourself. You’ve tricked yourself into believing it’s really about playoff game experience. No, it’s not about experience or the playoffs. It’s about you not getting what you wanted in 2010.

    So we’re supposed to believe that you really take issue with the Heat and their experience over the Bulls after you stated clearly that you would be silent had the Bulls had Wade and James? Smarten up dude. Had those two chosen Chicago and they bulldozed through the league and a fan of one of the teams they eliminated come here and made the excuse that you tried to make about experience, I’m sure you would attack them and say that it’s not about experience…the Bulls were just a better team. I read you clearly.

  • pposse

    it took five seconds, just like it took five seconds to respond to this post lol. I’m not living in the past, i just said that past loss will hopefully pay dividends in the future. I said the team was not experience (which you denied and still do) and now they are so it will be an epic battle.

    That’s where you and me are different, I would say that the Bulls were more experience, and then I would laugh at them.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    lol I’ve been here for 6 years off and on. Reading this site for 6 years off and on. With the original dudes like Eboy and JTaylor. And if anyone asks, I make it clear what names I’ve had here. But I’m the same dude. The same dude who sees you whine about the Bulls all over the place and hate on James and the Heat.

  • pposse

    well then i must say..i can expose you by any means necessary with your off the wall remarks ishfail jenkins…and I don’t need to ask you for any info to do it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    they paid the luxury tax last season. the “one time” was already used.

  • pposse

    F8k i dont know maybe itll be a trend. Your boy Adrian Woj wrote an article early last month and claims the Bulls state that he is an integral part of the team still

  • brbeatz

    Exactly… he wasn’t on the team in 2006. http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=261031014

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Nothing to expose. And Ishfail is really a terrible play on that name lol.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Yeah, you completely missed that. Obviously LeBron wasn’t on the Heat in 2006. When’s the last time LeBron was on a team that lost by 42 points meaning a team with him on it isn’t going to lose by that much. That’s what I was saying.

  • pposse

    well your not a good troll i’ll tell you that much, nothing clever bout your ways. and if i feel like i’ll just call you ish-fail until you change it up again…sucka!

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    You’re right because I’m not a troll at all. I have to leave when I get busy, but I come back when I can and think of the strangest name I can think of (or Michael Jackson albums). And there’s nothing clever about “sucka” either..or “Ish-fail”.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m sure that narrative sticks until February. speaking with people in Chicago, it just doesn’t seem like Deng makes it through the season.

  • Feez_22

    You talk about experience as if the heat didn’t gain any either. I don’t know about you but i think the heat have gained more tangible experience than the bulls have as a team since that conference finals loss. I will just go down the list…

    1: They lost in the finals. Losing in the finals is a major experience as a team and counts. You cannot tell me losing in the finals didn’t help lebron and his team in terms of letting them know what it will take next time to get there and win it.

    2: The heat have been in three game 7s in the conf finals and nba finals to the bulls one game 7 in the first round. If you want to speak about experience, what gives a player more than a 7 game series? the heat have been to 3 pressure packed game 7s including one in the freaking nba finals and now know how to win in that situation.

    3: The heat have won 2 championships since they faced chicago versus two totally different opponents in 2 totally different fashions. The heat went from dismantling a 2 star okc squad in 5 to coming back from down 3-2 to beating a spurs team with ginobili/parker/duncan with a collection of youth in game 7. If you think winning these two championships does nothing for lebron-wade-bosh experience wise (especially the 2nd one since they were on the ropes in that series) you are crazy.

    All of this experience in my opinion is more impactful than the experience a “young bulls team” has attained because the heat have gained CHAMPIONSHIP experience. It’s a totally different tier of experience.

    Since then, the player in rose that you think can cancel out lebron in a series (which is downright laughable) has played i 1 count em ONE playoff game since the heat eliminated him. Not only that… he is coming off of an acl tear. Do you know what the bulls have accumulated more than experience since that 2010-2011 playoff defeat? INJURIES… Joakim has some recurring injuries, deng has a bad wrist which he says will heal with time (these things usually flare up) and d-rose was banged up most of the 2011-2012 season (one in which he REGRESSED in play from 2010-2011) up until the torn acl which was an accumulation of being rusty and injured from the get go.

    In my estimation, the heat have actually improved more than the bulls since 2010-2011… so…

  • pposse

    and then repeatedly attack me and my comments..making it look to the outside world that 4 different people have the same thing to say…that is trolling my friend

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Not really. I attack stupidity. A lot of it just happens to come from you especially with posts about the Bulls. That’s on you, not me.

  • pposse

    again all I am saying is that the Bulls have more experience. Yes the Heat have gained experience too (and probably more, like you said championshp experience the weight of the world being lifted off bron’s shoulders). I don’t know what the future will hold, no one knows what type of player D Rose will be…we’re talking about a top tier player who has had all the time in the world to work on an outside jumper which coupled with his attacking ability provided that he is %100 like he says was the ‘weak spot’ in his game. He’s been able to see the game through a birds eye view much the same way offensive coordinators see the game in football..that can potentially help him in passing i would think.

    Besides all that, I was talking at that moment in 2011, the experience the Heat had over the Bulls was important, how can this be denied? i dont get it.

  • pposse

    you? or which one of you? all of you? 5 of you? 6? child please, go find your bridge and do your thing troll jenkins.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Another dumb play on the name. Go be a fanboy some more punkposse. See how it’s done? Can’t even talk about D-Rose, my favorite player, because of how ridiculous you are over the Bulls.

  • pposse

    is that coming from you or the other you? or the other other you? Is the future you going to say the same thing?

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    That’s all you got now? I’d actually be happy like you if the Bulls did get past Miami. We want the same thing. That’s what’s wild about it. But you need to relax and concede the fact that they don’t have enough. Too much pressure and responsibility is on Rose. The Heat were better in 2011, 2012 (even if Rose had played) and 2013. I know what I’m talking about because I watch every Bulls game. I watched in 91 while Jordan beat Magic and the Lakers. Seen everything since. I saw Rose getting tired in 4th quarters. It wasn’t experience. It was Rose being tired. If he wasn’t, he would have made those jumpshots over LeBron that fell short. I saw him work hard for that 23, 9 and 9 against Philly in the 1st round in 2012 before he tore his ACL. If that was a tough game, exactly what were people expecting it to be against Miami had Rose stayed healthy? They were a better team. I don’t even want them to be so that Rose can get by them. But that’s what it is.

    I once went at danpowers for saying Rose didn’t deserve MVP in 2011 and LeBron and Dwight deserved it more than he did. I went after someone else who tried to say once that Chris Paul was more productive than Rose was. You were nowhere to be found. I’m actually disappointed in you for that.

  • Feez_22

    The experience the heat will have over the bulls this coming year will basically be the same as it was that time for one because derrick rose has not gained any tangible playoff experience since then. Luol deng has but look… Luol has gained 2 rounds worth since then (both first round). Noah has gained 3 rounds worth (heck even less since he was injured a lot in the philly series). Booz has gained experience in 3 rounds but was terrible in 2 of those playoff rounds (versus miami this year and philly last year).

    The playing field is totally different when you are facing a 2 time championship roster now. You are looking at it strictly from the bulls perspective but i just have to give you the heat’s perspective.

    BTW, passing in the nba doesn’t come from looking over games from birds eye views. It comes from courtvision, experience and game tape review. Rose’s jumper will be better no doubt but his pg skills probably won’t be better.

    The experience thing was important but the heat hold the same experience this year over the bulls because as i said, championship experience is a totally different tier. Unless the bulls either have an overwhelming advantage in the paint or start passing and shooting like the 2011 mavs/2012 spurs, they won’t have that advantage.

    One thing is clear… You cannot beat the heat with just derrick rose scoring. The heat can shut down a star point guard better than any team in the entire nba so the bulls will really have to dominate the paint. Can they? I don’t think they can in the fashion to beat the heat. Joakim is always injured and even when not is an avg low post player. He can get off rebounds which is a plus. Boozer shoots jumpers all day and always sucks v the heat for some reason. Jimmy is good but he will most likely be shooting jumpers v. the heat. Same with dunleavy and possibly deng. where will the overwhelming paint domination come from on this team?

    Contrast that to indy… hibbert absolutely dominated miami with his size and finishing ability at the rim. D west abused chris bosh. The bulls don’t have those factors which is why i think chicago’s chances are slim again to beat miami.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    “They deserved it. They won a championship, definitely, but they got to deal with the Chicago Bulls for 48 minutes coming out right after that, they get their rings.”

    Yea, he’s so rude.

  • pposse

    you took care of bidness i didnt have to say anything. you said you watched him get tired and I agree..but the experience part is that he will now pass out of those double teams. Lebron played good D, but it wasn’t just him. He forced D Rose to the traps and then Rose instead of passing and trusting his teammates took ill advised shots or turned the ball over. And then he overcompensated by taking jump shots to try and keep the D honest. Even though Rose was banged up in 11-12 season, before he ultimately tore the acl, i still had faith in the bulls (up to that point) because Rose was maturing, he was passing and trusting his teammates more; thibs proved to be a top notch coach, and who knows how d rose was preparing for the Heat in that summer. I mean they went out and beat them 3 times that year (in the regular season) I know its one game, but he damn near had a triple double in that one playoff game against the sixers. That type of play from Rose in my opinion could have gave them trouble. I mean I thought they had the game in the bag and it wasn’t that ‘tough’ per say, but yeah his teammates did stand around. That didn’t happen when we beat the Nets this year. Who is also to say we couldn’t have gotten another game from the Heat with a healthy Deng too who didn’t even play? You say they need one other guy, well there are no other guys especially at SG. The best bet is Jimmy Butler stepping up into that role, and its not far fetched, he has improved is a defensive stopper and is making strides towards developing plays for himself.

  • Evan Boland

    They haven’t actually improved, either.

  • Evan Boland

    I’m just praying everyone can stay healthy, because a Brooklyn – Chicago series could be epic.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    What’s going to happen when he passes out of those double teams? Do you trust Deng and Butler to dribble and create? I don’t. He honestly would have been better off if Nate Robinson stayed around. I don’t trust Deng and Butler to do anything but finish with a few dribbles at the basket or a jumpshot. Butler is better and he’s probably improved this summer, but compare him to Wade who still is capable of having vintage Wade games. And I still question Boozer’s aggressiveness and toughness.

    My biggest issue was the summer of 2011…why didn’t they go after any of those SGs that were available? That ticked me off. Huge mistake. Imagine Rose at the 1, Jamal Crawford, JR Smith, Arron Afflalo or OJ Mayo at the 2, Butler or Deng at the 3, Boozer at the 4 and Noah at the 5…major problem for Miami. When Rose goes to the bench, defensively, the lineup is still good, but they can’t score. While Miami can still have either Wade or LeBron out there at all times if they’re not together. Or Bosh even.

    Rose is going to be better than he was before he left. There’s no doubt in my mind. I saw the look in his eyes when he said he was the best player in the league. He’s not afraid of LeBron or the Heat. He wasn’t afraid in 2011. But his legs left him. And he needs help.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    They have improved. Draft pick Tony Snell is apparently a solid player. Athletic, good shooter. Butler will improve. The time they got playing without Rose had to have given them some confidence. And he watched closely from the sidelines. We’ll see how it all fits with him back. But they are a better team. Maybe not significantly better than they were in 2010-2011…but better.

  • Beez Kneezy

    So you’re saying the Mike Dunleavy Jr pick-up wasn’t a significant upgrade?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Not significant enough to beat Miami, lol

  • pposse

    I trust Deng and Butler now, based off last year’s playoffs. Just hope Deng doesn’t have a spinal tap again. If your talking about what happend in 2011 then I get it. But my whole thing about the 2011 experience was that Rose wasn’t playing, everyone sucked yes, but how would they play with Rose. Based off the one game, they might be passing it to him all the time, but who is to say that Rose wouldn’t put an end to that and demand that Noah and Deng pick up the slack. Its over now, we’ll never know, but I do see where the critisicm is coming from. I’m an optomist that’s why I think Rose would have shouldered those leadership responsibilities.

  • Evan Boland

    I’m saying losing Nate for Mike is not significant. Not in the least.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    His personality isn’t that way. His way of leading is by example. Noah, Boozer, and Deng all talk more than he does. Noah’s the spiritual leader. Rose leads by example. The angriest he’s ever been on the floor is with himself. Boozer just talks (kind of annoying to listen to especially when he yells after Rose or someone else dunks on someone). Rose says Deng is the father figure of the team and the most vocal. And of course Thibs’ voice is the loudest thing in every arena they play in. When Rose gets the ball, what do you hear more than anything else from Thibs? “Go at him”…”Go get him” (Someone set a screen for him)…”Attack”. Maybe Rose should take a step back with the scoring during the regular season and they can run more plays for Boozer, Deng and Butler. Let Derrick ease his way back in. Turn it up after the All-Star break or towards the end of the regular season.

    I want to see Butler handle the ball and be aggressive with Rose playing. Also want to see him with a better, more reliable jumpshot. I want to see Boozer toughen up and dominate Bosh physically like he should be since Bosh is maybe more of a finesse player than Pau Gasol is at times. He also needs to be smarter on defense.

  • straight cake

    ummm Lakers had a 3 peat from 2000-2002

  • straight cake

    Just for a fun fact no team has made 4 straight finals appearances since the 8 time defending champion Boston Celtics, anything can happen next year. Lakers had a similar journey like Miami where as the Lakers lost in 2008 and won in 2009 and 2010 and Miami lost in 2011 and won in 2012 and 2013.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    right. it has never happened. just like everything, before it happened.

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Interdico Scriptor says NOBODY can let the Heat three-peat…

  • Saleem Rainman

    I think ur remembering those AI lead teams different than most ppl… never were the Sixers a GREAT team in the regular season even, in the AI era (the one exception being the 56 win team in 2001 when AI won the MVP award, but in a very weak east) they won 49 games the year before that year, 43 the year after, 49 the year after that…they never even touched 50 in a weak eastern conference again.

  • RKJ92

    *REPORT THIS JUST IN*
    GREG ODEN SIGNS A 2 YEAR DEAL WITH MIAMI HEAT THIS INCLUDES A 2ND YEAR PLAYER OPTION FOR ODEN, CONTRACT INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED, BUT SHOULD BE ONLINE VERY SOON..
    CHEERS.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    The comparison is with the best player being so far ahead of the next best player on the team. All LA had to do was make him take a lot of shots to score his points. He still scored his points. Same thing with Rose against Miami. He only shot 36% against the Heat, but he averaged 23 points…just two off his regular season average. But he took 24 shots a game.

    I was and still am a huge fan of Iverson so I watched all of those teams very closely. Not sure you can say they weren’t a great regular season team when they had the best record during his MVP season. Larry Brown – Coach of the Year. Dikembe Mutombo – Defensive Player of the Year. Aaron McKie – 6th Man of the Year. Doesn’t matter how weak the conference was, someone had to be good enough to win it and they were. That’s the only thing a team has to do to be called a great regular season team.

  • Miggy

    People really forget how good the Bulls & Derrick Rose were before getting injured. No disrespect to the Heat and the Pacers, but two straight years with best record when healthy is nothing to shrug off. Butler is not a “nobody” by the way. He’s 2nd or 3rd best player caliber on a lot of other teams.

    Last year showed a lot about the Bulls. An Eastern conf. semi’s team w/o Rose. Now add him, a top 5 if not top 3 player in the league if he’s the same and they’re legitimate contenders.

    Regardless I feel there’s really only 3 (Chi, Ind, Mia) contenders from the east, maybe four if Brooklyn meshes together. I just don’t feel a weaker defensive team like the Knicks will thrive in the east in the playoffs.

  • Will Lee

    trade derrick rose and butler to pacers for george hill and granger, then pacers will stop them

  • Shooting Guard

    there’s alot more teams to worry about man be mart

  • MUBWAR

    my bad lol

  • Enigmatic

    I’m a Bulls fan, and I’d love to see the Bulls win it all, but honestly, when I think “three-peat” I think Pat Riley. And when Pat Riley thinks “three peat” he thinks dollar signs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-peat

  • Lloyd

    Dude was asked a question and he answered exactly like he should’ve.
    It’s not like he’s going to Lebron James’ house and calling him out… If
    you’re going to be upset, be upset that they wrote the article on the
    quote of a “mediocre player”. Every player on every team is thinking
    this right now though. Not bold in the slightest.

  • Saleem Rainman

    notice i said for the exception of one year, they were never a “great” team. and sure enough u just held onto that one year i pointed out as an exception. Interesting how it worked out that way lol

  • Mack

    I still think Pacers/ Bulls are the only real threat to the Heat in the East. Brooklyn won’t matchup with Miami and the Knicks can’t take Miami in a 7 game series. Other than that it’s up to the Spurs/ Thunder or maybe Clippers now to win that chip.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    My mistake. Honest mistake.

  • Saleem Rainman

    no worries. No need to be so defensive either, im not one of those few guys here that debate u to want to rip ur head off because they seem to dislike u for whatever reason(ive seen em). we cool .

  • straight cake

    Butler averaged a staggering 40
    minutes per game and shot 40 percent from the field and 43 percent from
    behind the arc, while guarding LeBron
    James on defense every Miami Heat possession.

    If you call that mediocre I dont know what or who you would call a scrub.

  • King David

    i still havent forgiven ray allen for making that 3 :(

  • The Philosopher

    Maybe I’m reading too deep…
    But look at his face.
    I’m worried.
    Not a look of confidence. Looks a little scared. And fractured.

  • Evan Boland

    Nets.

  • RKJ92

    Haha, I guess we will see Philo, only one way to find out right? I’d like to see him have a prosperous career after what he’s gone through though.. I mean truthfully injuries are heartbreaking it’s what made me have to stop playing ball but I know you can overcome them with the right people around you aka ($$$) aha, I feel like he will have a career closer to Livingston’s now. He won’t be the player he was once poised to be, but I don’t think he will be a train wreck either, he has every reason to be in this league, he’s young.. he just needs to take care of himself, and have the organization watch him like a hawk. I understand what your saying though man :)

  • Luis M. Calvo

    if, if if, coulda ,woulda, shoulda. bla, bla bla…too many wet dreams.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Sounds like the dude in the street who’s close to getting knocked out, lands a lucky knockout punch and then brags like he knew he would win all along. If Game 7 had been played in Indiana, not sure the Pacers would have even needed a PG. LeBron would have had to go Game 6 in Boston for them to win.

  • Luis M. Calvo

    Had been played, coulda been played, shoulda been played…the wet dreams have to end…and YES, I knew the Heat would win all along…BTW, get ready for a 3-PEAT!

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    This coming from a member of a group of fans who aren’t exactly the best in the league when it comes to supporting their team lol. Leave Finals games early. Show up halfway through the 1st quarter in playoff games. There are barely any real Heat fans. But do you bro.

  • Luis M. Calvo

    Not a season ticket holder since Shaq came to town (got too expensive), but was since 1988. I attend over 20 games a year, including playoffs. I don’t know were you live, but South Florida, unlike many other places has a whole lot happening every night. In Miami, people arrive everywhere fashionably late, it’s a latin-american culture kinda thing. I’ve seen fans coming late and leaving early in every major B-Ball city in the country, so don’t even go there.

  • The Philosopher

    Word.

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  • Pritch

    Let’s get real. When you think 3-peat you think of the Bulls. Be happy MJ played baseball or we’d have an 8-peat on our resume! Not mention with Rose you’re looking at the 1 seed so all roads lead to Chicago.

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