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Tuesday, August 20th, 2013 at 10:00 am  |  59 responses

Paul Pierce Wants to Outlast Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan and Others


Brooklyn Nets forward Paul Pierce recently joked that he plans to play another 10 years in the NBA. Well, we think it was a joke. Pierce tells the Boston Globe about his goal to outlast other great players from his generation: “Pierce said he will assess his future on a yearly basis, but he has one particular motivation left. ‘My goal is to outlast [Tim] Duncan, Kobe [Bryant], Dirk [Nowitzki], and KG, this is what’s left of that generation,’ he said. ‘I’m looking at all of them. We all are kind of in the same boat where [retirement] can happen in the next year or two. Vince [Carter] is in there. He’s still playing. They still look strong, so I want to continue to look strong.’”

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  • bringbackthesonics

    after having made the 9 teams who passed on him in the ’98 draft pay for their idiocy, pierce’s motivation now stems from survival and longevity.

  • Anthony

    Ok basketball fans…we are about to begin to suffer the wave of retirements of the 1st great generation of basketball phenoms that came after the Jordan era…So if you officially remember their college campaigns & rookie seasons….(1) You are TOO old to use the term “Turn Up”….(2) More than likely don’t like lil’wayne and (3) should probably OFFICIALLY give up on that album you were planning on “dropping” in the late 90s early 2000s….(lol)

  • Shooting Guard

    outlast kobe? nooooooooo

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Lol well played sir.

  • Anthony

    (4) Addendum: Was shocked and/or slightly disappointed when someone utlized the term ‘OL’SCHOOL’ when refering to you the last time you hooped….(lol)

  • R32

    Love or hate him, you gotta respect his hustle. Wish VC had this guys heart.

  • King David

    Sixers selected Larry Hughes with the 5th pick, LARRY HUGHES ! -_-

  • http://reverbnation.com/ends1 ENDS

    it hit me hard when Shaq retired. Last of the Mohekans

  • K_HOLIDAY

    Kobe is going to sign a 19 year extension after reading this…

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    I am from that era (1989er). Its still weird to me that guys like KG are inches away from retirement; I remember watching Wolves games in 2000 with announcers calling KG “Da Kid”, cause he was still just a raw and passionate kid with a ton of potential.

    Its even weirder to think that KG was a league MVP at one time and a lot of the newer wave of fans that watch the sport now aren’t even aware of just how good he was in his prime. Ditto for Duncan.

    I will say though that this era is basketball is a lot better than the product that the league was producing in the early to mid 2000s.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    It would have hit me harder had he not bounced around to 3 more teams after being traded from the Heat. Shaq was an afterthought by his Cavs days.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    Vince Carter is the biggest waste of talent I have ever seen. I was a VC fanatic growing up (and still wish for his success) but he squandered much of his talent by doing enough to get by without really excelling unless he had to.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    He will be asking Kupchak for 30 mill/year.

  • 23

    Didn’t know that. So Phila had the opportunity for an AI+PP combo?

  • Evan Boland

    Me too. From Canada, I was a huge fan. Sad.

  • Evan Boland

    Weird for me too, bro. I see so much more heart from those guy’s than the current crop of Lebron’s.

  • robb

    A couple of years ago I had a discussion with a big VC fan and he couldn’t believe it when I said he was a waste of talent. Vince had all the potential in the world. Even Kobe Bryant said recently he would’ve gone to North Carolina just to play against him every day.

    Should he be a HOF?

  • ctk

    22,000pts 5000rebs 4000dimes 1600 3pters …wasted talent ..really?..lol

  • LakeShow

    I agree. I think people look at KB and think Vince should be in the same category, but they are completely different. They should be judged differently.

  • TR

    I wouldn’t say waste of talent, but its crazy to think he really could have been so much more than he was. All the talent just not the drive/want others had.

  • http://reverbnation.com/ends1 ENDS

    Yeah, but being in attendance, (Hell Being at the airport when he arrived) It made me think about my own mortality and the generation that had left. Pip, Mike, Barkley, Mailman. Stockton, Kemp and Peyton. Shaq was the last of that group

  • bedot

    Yes. Vince is HOF no doubt.

  • Ernie D

    Goes to show how dedicated some players are in regards to conditioning. People like Pierce, KG, Kobe, Duncan and Dirk keep going, and guys like Antoine Walker and Vin Baker have been gone for years, despite being about the same age.

  • King David

    Dont forget Ron Artest at 8 !!!

  • bringbackthesonics

    artest was in ’99, they could’ve had dirk though

  • King David

    o ok my bad lol just venting
    but everyone thought dirk was garbage at the time remember

  • swill

    “Vince Carter is the biggest waste of talent I have ever seen.”

    allow me to introduce you to rasheed wallace.

  • CKLOH

    The game is softer now, but the NBA’s collective talent has been steadily increasing since the mid-nineties (to clarify, imo: Talent does not go in concert with Skill, which has been steadily decreasing since the early aughts).

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    Having followed VC’s early career very closely, I can tell you that his early talent level was on par, if not greater than Kobe’s. Me calling him a “waste of talent” is more so based on how much greater he could have been had he actually dedicated himself with the same fire and tenacity he had displayed after his rookie season in Toronto. Vince early on in his career was a thirsty and motivated dude when he was being pushed by guys like Oakley and Butch Carter. Unfortunately that fire dwindled after they left. Injuries piled up, and his motivation continued to wane, eventually resulting in him quitting for most of the season before being traded.

    You know how people say Shaq didn’t “live up” to his true potential based on his casual attitude? (which I don’t agree with).
    Well, Shaq still managed to get 3 Finals MVPs and 4 rings despite that. VC not only did not live up to his true potential, but he has nothing to show for it.
    No rings. No MVPs. No leading teams to the Finals.

    A Rookie of the year award and a slam dunk contest distinction should not be the highlight awards of a player who at one time was the best SG in the league.

  • CKLOH

    Carter was never the best shooting guard in a League with Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, and Kobe Bryant. He was the best dunker & the most athletically spectacular, but not the best at shooting, rebounding, defending or passing (rather vital aspects of evaluating players’ games). He also lacked the fire which propelled Bryant and Iverson and that is another damning (comparatively-speaking) caveat. The suggestion that he was greater than his cousin, let alone Bryant, is honestly asinine.

    Like ctk wrote, 22k/5k/4k as career totals are nothing to scoff at. Wasted potential or not, there are *David Stern voice* basketball reasons for why Carter failed when Bryant and Iverson did not.

  • guest

    How did you turn a conversation about reminiscing about the past about Lebron? How is it that even conceivable?

    You add nothing to conversation but mindless quips.

  • CKLOH

    KG was drafted in ’94, right?

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com/ Dutch Rich

    Shaq came after that group. 8/10 yrs younger than most you mention, except for Kemp. Shaq must be 41 now.

  • spit hot fiyah

    95, after joe smith, mcdyess, stach, sheed. finley went 21, otherwise not a lot of noteworthy players. unless u are a greg ostertag fan

  • bike

    It does make one wonder if this is the beginning of a trend where players play well past ages that used to be automatic retirements. Is it possible, given advances in conditioning and nutrition, for a significant number of b-ballers to be playing at a high level well into their 40s?

  • Armando

    ’95. 5th overall after Joe Smith, McDyess, Stackhouse and Sheed.

  • clownfish

    I will always stand by my belief that Carter is one of the most
    overly scrutinized players ever. Generalizations like “wasted talent” and “didn’t
    live up to potential” mean what, exactly? Can you qualify or quantify that in
    actual terms or can you only make broad statements to describe him?

    VC, along with Kidd, took the Nets to the finals on back to
    back years. So I’m not sure what you mean when you say he didn’t lead teams to
    the finals. He didn’t do it single-handedly, sure, but he was one of the big
    reasons they made it there. No rings? No MVPs? Did Stockton win any rings or
    MVPs? Ok, he was a much more productive player, but if you are using rings and
    MVPs as a measuring stick, then do it for every player who has stepped onto an
    NBA court to define their potential and talent.

    VC brought electricity to the city of Toronto. His dunks are
    still considered some of the best in the history of the game of basketball, let
    alone the NBA. With career stats of 20,000+ points, 4000+ assists, 700+ blocks
    and 5300+ rebounds I’d say he’s been pretty productive. He also holds 8
    all-star selections, won an Olympic gold medal, was named to two all-NBA teams,
    was a slam dunk champion and won rookie of the year honors.

    But I digress. Please tell us again how VC did not become
    the next Michael Jordan. I love that bed time story.

  • CKLOH

    Thank you.

  • CKLOH

    Graçias.

  • Fact

    Wow . Richard Jefferson was the athletic small forward to “take” the Nets to back to back finals. Not Carter. Clearly you didn’t watch him play

  • davidR

    i agree that the current era is a better product than what was being presented in the 2000s, but damn. the superstars of those times were something else.

    prime kg? prime duncan? prime kobe? prime tmac? prime vince? prime ai? good lord

  • davidR

    just had to correct you: VC was not on those nets teams that made it to the finals

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    1. VC did not take the Nets to the Finals. The Nets were in the Finals in 2002 and 2003. In fact, after VC came on board, they got swept (2004), lost in the second round, lost in the second round (VC’s prime), and didn’t make the playoffs. VC’s playoffs numbers always dipped compared to his regular season stats (2001 and 2006 are the only exception).

    2. I know VC brought electricity to Toronto – I watched almost every Raptors game from that era. I have tapes and tapes of his games and dunks. But despite the love everyone showed him, he also brought an entire fanbase down by openly quitting on the team when things didn’t go his way. Not just for a game or two; no, for all games he played in until he got traded.

    As I said, Vince should have accomplished more. He didn’t lack in talent, and he’s had plenty of stints with talented teammates around him. Hell, give T-Mac Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson in Orlando, and the Magic would likely have gone much further than where the Nets went with VC.

    Even when he got traded to the Magic in 2009, he was still being hailed as a potential go-to guy and the player to lead the Magic over the Finals hump. He did not deliver, and it surprised no one.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    I think after a certain amount of time, it becomes a mental challenge more than anything. Sure, modern medicine can keep you healthier and ready to play, but do you have the mental energy needed to sustain that level of dedication day in and day out when you’ve already proven yourself or your skills have eroded.

  • Evan Boland

    VC could have done so much, more though. Take it from a fan, he didn’t get the most out himself.

  • Evan Boland

    Carter was more athletic and arguable a better shooter than Iverson or Kobe. The reason Kobe is Kobe and Vince is Vince is mental. He had all the skills.

  • http://www.offthebackboard.wordpress.com/ Off The Backboard

    You forgot prime Ricky Davis.

    /triple double machine!

  • Evan Boland

    Disagree that the product is better.

  • bike

    People also forget that beginning at about 2002, he began suffering from some knee and ankle injuries that became chronic. He began backing off the spectacular drives to the rim and became the jump shooter that everyone despised.

    He did say some rather stupid things in the past and sometimes his actions were questionable but I would never view his career as an underachieving bust.

  • straight cake

    Allen Iverson loved partying and sometimes had problems with “Practice” but he still managed to lead the 76ers to the finals, won a league MVP and is a 4 time NBA scoring champion. Sometimes based on different situations and circumstances some players are more successful than others. We can use what ifs and come up with scenarios to explain why someone like Vince Carter could have been more successful but we will never truly know. I believe everything happens for a reason even thought we may not understand the full extent as to why.Grant Hill and T-Mac could not stay healthy for long periods of time so who knows what could have happened to them throughout their NBA careers. Its pointless guessing what could have been when we don’t really know. Lets just deal with the facts and enjoy the entertainment and memories these players left us as NBA and Basketball fans.

  • pposse

    always rememeber that missed shot in game 7 vs. the sixers as the turning point in his career

  • pposse

    Shaq was the original big baby

  • grgeblck

    retire when there’s glory. retire when you start dropping looks bad.

  • CKLOH

    Vince Carter is the median between Andre Iguodala and Kobe Bryant.

  • Evan Boland

    More athletic than both, and far more skilled then Andre.

  • King David

    early to mid 2000s players are way better than what we have now

  • CKLOH

    Naw, Iguodala is just as athletic.

  • CKLOH

    Regular season, certainly. He did attempt four more shots than Bryant per game that season, though.

    The 2000 Playoffs signified a changing of the brief guard.

  • Evan Boland

    As Vince? Not quite.

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