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Monday, August 12th, 2013 at 10:25 am  |  109 responses

Shaquille O’Neal Says He and George Mikan are the Greatest Lakers Centers


During his time in Los Angeles, Shaquille O’Neal never developed a relationship with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Wilt Chamberlain. Shaq did, however, become very close with George Mikan—O’Neal paid for Mikan’s funeral—and tweeted a polarizing claim over the weekend about the rank of the greatest Lakers centers of all time.

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  • D

    I’ve never liked this moron , he was a very dominant player but everytime he opens his mouth your reminded he’s slightly retarded

  • BugEyes

    I agree with the self proclaimed big Aristotle

  • robb

    Greater than Kareem? is he stupid?

  • MUBWAR

    kareem is possibly the greatest nba player of all time, sorry bill

  • Slick Ric

    SMH

  • Mike Gilbert

    Weird, he seems to be an incredibly successful entrepreneur/business owner and seems to have a Ph.D.

  • RKJ92

    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar would SHlT on Shaq in his prime.. Shaq may have been the most dominant force, but Kareem was the better, and more complete player.

  • robb

    I think his ego overrides his intelligence.

  • Yesse

    As a huge Shaq fan, i gotta say this is a low blow. Can’t really go out and say stuff like this when the organization has had Kareem and Wilt.

  • Dfrance

    I know Mikan is a Laker icon and all that, but he was 6’10″, playing against a bunch of shorter guys, in the 50s, with no 3 second rule. He wasn’t that great in my humblest of opinions.

  • The Seed

    Shaq should not be able to go back to LA, because of this asinine statement. KAP would kill Shaq. Tim killed Shaq, Hakeem killed Shaq, Ben Wallace stopped Shaq and Shaq calls himself the greatest LA center ever.

    Shaq is not even in my top 5 centers all time,
    KAP
    Russell

    Wilt
    Hakeem
    Duncan

    Moses Malone
    Shaq

    David Robinson
    Patrick Ewing
    George Mikan

  • Yep

    If Shaq is so wack, can you explain the three ring he delivered to LA wi

  • spit hot fiyah

    he has his own drill names after him!

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I’d replace Shaq with Duncan simply because Duncan is regarded by the majority as a PF. As far as Ben Wallace stopping Shaq I’m not so sure about that. He did average 26/10/2 that series.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, the layup-skyhook drill that is common among 8 year old “big kids” lol

  • Ugh

    Lists! Make lists!

  • dyop

    This guy just doesn’t stop talking about himself and his accomplishments.

  • Dfrance

    Lol. That drill is good for nothing but neck pain and getting dizzy.

  • dyopgeop

    this guy just doesn’t stop talking about himself and his accomplishments. he almost always mentions that he is great, best, etc.

    i cant even remember one time MJ talked about how great he is.
    (well, if you wont consider his trash talk before)

  • Eyal

    Shaq just laughs, don’t take him too serious

  • The Truth

    Whaaaaaaaaaat? Please don’t b 1 of those cats who says Kobe is best of generation…then you would say Kobe is better than Duncan who is better than Shaq, thus, you would claim kobe >>>shaq. WHAT THE…is wrong with that pic? I dont understand all this underestimating and hating on the most dominant player ever to play. Just b/c he got distracted by non basketball stuff or stuff that apparently should never have happened (shazaam or steel) doesn’t mean dude should b hated on. Basically saying lakers won title b/c of kobe and shaq was overrated is similar to crediting pippen with 6 rings and saying Mj was nothing. The Lakers posted significantly better winning % with Shaq and without Kobe and did miserably worse with Kobe and without shaq. Shaq stepped up his game Huuuuge come finals time when kobe regressed. Kobe is ill and had game. He put work against Spurs but to hate on shaq and give kobe credit is like saying Pippen or Wade is responsible for Jordan and Lebron rings…completely laughable.

  • RKJ92

    No you’re definitely right.. he was skinny as HELL at 6’10 as well, he would get bullied in today’s league. See: Nick Collison (Solid player, but equally solid comparison)

  • 1_Conor_1

    I believe he is.

  • theDankerNuggets

    if you are saying Nick Collison is skinny as hell and gets bullied than that’s a pretty terrible comparison

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Dude serious question…WHAT IN THE F*CK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! Where in the Sam hell did you ever get any of those things you’re implying? I hope you’re replying to someone else because your comment doesn’t even come close to debating what the hell I was talking about. Where did I imply or even bring up Kobe’s name? I said Shaq was not stopped by Ben Wallace and should be considered a Top 5 center of all time. So again if you’re going to reply to my comment at least let it be related to subject matter of my comment.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Woops meant replace Duncan with Shaq but you get the point.

  • TR

    how do you figure he would shi* on shaq?

  • RKJ92

    Collison is 255, Mikan was 245, they are both the same athletically, and could/would not contain any of the best centers from this era of basketball watch some OKC games, you would know how, and why I compare them. If you think you can actually do a better comparison to the 2 players by all means, take the floor.

  • RKJ92

    Maybe start by checking the individual accolades, statistics, and compare both of their numbers in their prime? I’m sure you will find the answer.. Just remember what Hakeem did to Shaq. Kareems in the top 6 of all time conversation just remember that.

  • Evan Boland

    You’re wrong.

  • Evan Boland

    Wow. You went into quite the rant over NOTHING.. Oh and, BTW, Kobe > Duncan

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Exactly smh

  • smith stopped, smith blocked.

    Bold statement : bill russel isn’t the best lakers’ center of all time.

  • RKJ92

    LMFAO seriously think Kobe is better then Duncan? Duncan beat a prime Kobe, AND Shaq in the finals.. think again.

  • grammarpolice07

    *Shaq says HE…not HIM. Get it together, SLAM.

  • theDankerNuggets

    I didn’t even know Mikan was before this article I’m just saying that calling Collison skinny as hell and saying he gets bullied is a huge overstatement for someone who is widely considered a solid post defender

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    To be fair, NO ONE “killed Shaq”.

    There are players like Dream who outplayed a young Shaq (I believe Shaq still averaged like 28 and 11 in those finals) and teams that beat an in-prime Shaq like Ben Wallace’s Pistons (Shaq still averaged 26+ 10+ on over 60% shooting…but no one killed him.

  • RKJ92

    I’m saying when you consider Mikan a greatest center of all time, you would have to take into account that we could expect him to be of the same defensive impact Collison has. I had also said Collison is a SOLID player, but against the Shaq’s, Wilt’s, Kareem’s, Hakeem’s, Duncan’s, and other most dominant centers of this (with Wilt as an exception) era these 2 COMPARABLE players would get bullied bad.

  • theDankerNuggets

    ok I agree in that context against players like that. it just seemed like you were inferring Collison gets bullied in today’s league with which i had to take exception

  • TR

    Oh Shaq’s second or third year in the league right? He put up over 25 a game, pretty sure he had a double double every game and almost had a triple double one game. Oh and he shot about 60%. So I mean I guess he didnt do anything that series. You act like Shaq wasn’t the most physically dominant center since Wilt. I’ve seen Kareem’s tapes, im not saying hes bad or sucks, but to say he would shi* on shaq is stupid. Especially if you dont think Shaq would get his own on offense.

  • LakeShow

    I love you Shaq… but Kap is probably better all time and as a Laker than you.
    He was that good.

  • Mike Gilbert

    haha without a doubt

  • RKJ92

    Let me put this simple for you okay?

    Hakeem > Shaq

    Kareem > Hakeem

    and anybody with knowledge of basketball on this site will tell you it’s true.

  • RKJ92

    Hah noooo Stars only my friend :)

  • Armando

    OK, your opinion. I still think comparing players, or just moving them from one era to another makes no sense. We have no idea how good Mikan would be if he was born in, say, 1985, maybe he would have been Collison, maybe he wouldn’t be in the league, or maybe he would have been Alonzo Mourning. Thus let’s just stick to knowing him as arguably the greatest player of his era (somewhat overlapping Pettit and Cousy who should also be in that discussion) and for having a major impact on the evolution of the game.

  • Busta213

    Lol, Shaq says a ALOT of things……

  • CKLOH

    Illuminating.

  • Yep

    evan…we meet again…just like how subjectivity irrational claims nonsense (your material) meets real logic rational…

    Debate if thy want young Evan, but we are coming into an age of facts and realism as opposed to media subjective sensationalism.

    Henceforth…LeBron>shaq>duncan>>>kobe (LBJ shaq duncan close…but you get my drift)

  • Yepahd

    RK…we have had our differences in the past internet comment sboard lifetime however my grand fellow tofaythu is making sense as your fellow comrad usually does…salutations my good fellow for this post and your above posts.

  • JoeMaMa

    “The Mikan Rule” – when the NBA doubled the lane size from 6 to 12 feet. George Mikan inspired that change in the game. He also won a bunch of titles and led the league in scoring 3 times.
    I disagree with Shaq – Kareem’s as good as any post player the League’s ever seen. But it’s worth knowing that Mikan is in the conversation.

  • RKJ92

    But he wouldn’t be good.. I won’t even compare him to a player from now then, let’s look at back in the 50′s which had a dominant center by the name of Wilt Chamberlain who was in, or close enough to his era, and we can easily compare, and make a case that the stats between the two is completely different dominant wise, and see that Mikan would have gotten the business from Wilt any day any time; the numbers speak for themselves.

  • RKJ92

    Umm.. thx..

  • Yepahd

    Actually, I orated too soon. No way in heck does Kareem work Shaq when Shaq in prime. Shaq had post game and was most dominant. Both would get there’s but Shaq would abuse that frame easillllly

  • ZOGS

    ^LOOOOOOOL
    “THE BIG EGO”

  • Evan Boland

    In the West Finals, yeah. And Kobe beat him multiple times as well… ’08..

  • Evan Boland

    17 ppg in the Finals Lebron James..

  • RKJ92

    Do you forget how long Kareem was? the guy used to average almost 5 blocks a game in his prime off that alone, and don’t get me wrong I’m not saying blocked shots makes a good defense but Kap was so disturbingly long a lotttttt of centers had a very hard time scoring on him, and with Shaq only having a baby hook, and dunking I have a hard time to believe he could do well against Kap.

  • RKJ92

    Duncan raped Kobe, and Shaq IN THEIR PRIMES 2 top 10 players, don’t even give me that.. Kobe is not better then the greatest PF of all time.

  • LakeShow

    Mikan had a career FG% similar to Brandon Jennings….
    He took 22 shots to get 24 points one season.
    No Shaq just no…

  • Yep

    Ahhh young, nitpickin never look at whole picture Evan…yeah Bro had worst series games of his life 18 7 7 but made up for it last 2 years with historic playoff seasons and finals…but two can play it that game…

    Does Kobe averagin a mere 13 pts a game against pacers remond you pf anything or what bout pistons series or why bout game 7 against celtics…lemme guess…you’re either gonna say 1) kobe has 5 rings (already proved to be misleadin and fallacious) 2) kobe has better career totals in everything (only b/c one he played longer…would you rather have a 10 pt scorer for 15 years or a 25 pt scorer for 5 years (10 pt scorer has more total points if assuming they play 80 games)…comparing by success rate or averages is more indicative in which there is no comparison between LeBrons career and kobe best x years…bron blows him outta water even in scoring…Bron is the youngest ever to reach so many milestones like 20,000 pts etc…3) oh kobe looks like a better basketball player…daaaaawg i respect kobe and respect bron but as a basketball enthusiast i must admit bron has already surpassed kobe

  • Yepahd

    Very true…i retrat my earlier statement; however, i do feel alot of centers are neck and neck and can easily be chosen over one another on a given day…nce rebutall sir

  • yep

    Lakers fans are very passionate…

  • RKJ92

    Thank you, and I fully agree! :)

  • AndyK415

    And they changed the rules because of Mikan.

  • AndyK415

    Amen

  • Evan Boland

    lol, you just repeat what you previously said.. Good argument, man. One more all NBA, one more all defense, one more ring. Kobe has been so much better than Ducan from ’07 on its not even funny. They’re extremely close. I take Kobe.

  • Saleem Rainman

    Cosign. more liek the top 5 if u ask me. top 3?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    with LA it’s very comparable.
    .
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01.html#1976-1989-sum:per_game

    .
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html#1997-2004-sum:per_game

    .
    Although, with Kareem’s longevity and ability to hit FT’s, i think i’m leaning that direction now

  • Saleem Rainman

    I have Kareem over Shaq anyday. So this really isnt all that on topic, i just think that the myth that the skyhook has never been blocked is a bit crazy. I have video evidence that says otherwise. An Older Wilt did it. 4 straight times.

  • AndyK415

    The league had to widen the lane because of Mikan and create the 3 second rule. He was just too dominate.

  • Evan Boland

    Against the Pacers? You mean when Kobe was 20 years old lol? When the Lakers didn’t even need him because no one on Indiana could guard Shaq? Wow, Lebron butt-riders, getting desperate. Lebron in his prime, 8th season, number one option, getting embarrassed by Dirk. Out of the GOAT discussion. It’s laughable to think Jordan would have EVER choked so hard.

  • spit hot fiyah

    and lactic acid in your shoulders

  • LakeShow

    I think Shaq was technically better at his LA peak than Kareem was at his, but the longevity combined with the FT’s is making me go Kap. I don’t care either way though.

  • YepakaGOT’EM’AGAIN

    Hahahahahahahahahahah….excuses excuses excuses once again boy o/double standard 2x once again. No one could guard Shaq b/c he was so dominant in all the finals and the lakers were better with him and without Kobe statistically speaking…but when Kobe scores some points everyone is like ohhhhhh Kobe’s the reason for the titles and the rings. Lebron had a bad series sure, particularly, at a time when the world hated him and wanted to see him fail…but that 1 series takes everything away? That’s odd b/c dirk had more help than Brons team this year. Terry and Kidd have been shown to have out produced both bosh and wade. Tyson chandler was dpoy etc. also, why is age an excuse for Kobe’s awful performances aka early years when at same age Lebron was putting up historic numbers/carrying his squad to heights they never seen…but when Kobe does well when older everyone is screaming “vino” even though lakers barely barely made playoffs and might not have made it if it wasn’t for GSW LAL obvious fix…don’t hype Jordan aka Goat so much tho…dude is Goat for right now but not nearly as invincible as every1 states. Dude couldn’t get out of first round by himself and has solid legit pieces to supplement his awesome talents. Jordan was leader of that squad but by no means carried them on his back like Lebron has his whole career…just sayin I’d rather lose in finals than lose in 1st round multiple times or not even make playoffs/get swept like Kobe…

    All of the historic legendary games numbers accomplishments Lebron has already had in like his 2nd year in his prime and this kid wants to pick 3-4 games…lol

    Your blatant hate for one player has actually messed up your rationale. No 1 would ever say out of soooooo many historic, legendary games a player should b judged on 3-4 games when at his worst he still 18-7-7 at a time when he just got done locking up MVP of league and should’ve been MVP Of league if it wasn’t for ill advised hate of Lebron dumb decisions show…like honestly, Lebron is the classic rags to riches grew up in projects, plays the game out of love, let’s play as a team player, grew up with friends as teammates, gives $$$ to charities, helps out kids all the time in Akron across the world, helps out his high school with gawp etc…but 1 decision in which he had the right to choose and even tho he should have chose Chicago made the right decision leaving Cleveland where he would’ve been like a kg on timberwolves aka never win a ring…it goes on and on but seriously bro…get some sense

  • RKJ92

    Top 3 Michael, Wilt, Russell.
    .
    Top 5 Michael, Wilt, Russell, Kap, Magic/Larry/Duncan (no particular order).
    .
    I only said top 6 because I didn’t put any thought into where he would be but this is my answer to your comment!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah, definitely. Shaq was the “better” Laker, Kareem was “greater”

  • Buddy

    Mike Lebron Shaq Larry magic Duncan kap yes with mike Lebron 1st and 2nd respectively…russel is such a cliche name unfortunatelyt. Why are we including russel when he is not even apart of modern day ball? I’m sorry but russel would get smashed in today’s league if he had same skillset as he did in past and that’s really all you can do when comparing players of past to present. I know it’s unfair to some extent but tough luck…you can’t really take the argument oh what if Russell had practiced like players today…if that’s the case why don’t I put Lebron of today back in past…NOT even Lebron I’d put someone like Brandon Jennings or some average player like Byron mullens. They would destroy those leagues

  • daBiz

    i’m pretty sure he’s just dissing kareem and wilt because they dissed him. nothing stupid about that. maybe it’s spiteful. but it certainly isn’t stupid.

  • Saleem Rainman

    give me kareem over everyone past ur top 3, and even then its debatable for me as ive never seen the 2 ahead of Kareem play. Bill shot 44 % and he took most of his shots within 10 feet of the basket. sure he won a lot of chips but damn, so did Kareem in his era

  • RKJ92

    11 Championships to 5 or 6.
    .
    Better rebounder offensively, and defensively.
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    Better defender, could anchor an entire team on defense alone.
    .
    Higher defensive rating, and better win shares.
    .
    Was one of the best locker room presences in NBA history his teams literally fed off of him, which is why he became the first player to coach a team (while still playing).
    .
    Held his own against Wilt Chamberlain during their entire era together which is absolutely disgusting in it’s own sense.
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    Better Passer.
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    Could run the floor like a sprinter, and more athletically gifted then Kap.
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    More accolades.
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    And to rebut you talking about him shooting 44%, you need to remember he was in a era where players weren’t taught proper form, how to shoot the ball, what is effective for them, what shots they don’t do well with to work on, there were no true fundamentals but only a small basis to work with, Russell most likely would have been shooting close to 60% had he been conditioned the same way players are now a days.
    .
    To add briefly, Kap couldn’t touch Jordan, and Wilt is regarded as the greatest center of all time (as much as I love Kap as a player).

  • RKJ92

    The fact you put LeBron 2nd of all time, and said that if you put Byron Mullens back in time he would r*pe the likes of Bill Russell, and Wilt Chamberlain warrants you know nothing of basketball, please do not respond to me, thank you.

  • Saleem Rainman

    6 mvps

    6 nba championships

    most career points of all time

    there’s an argument in terms of accolades for sure.

    I still have him in the top 5 for sure though.

  • Ishmael Jenkins

    Hard to take him seriously at all with anything he says. He still gives that fake “Everything was cool” answer when people ask about him and Kobe disliking each other. Or the “As the CEO, I had to lead the way I chose to lead” BS answer. He still goes after Dwight who hasn’t said a word about him really in response.

    It’s a matter of opinion with who the greatest was in everything. People have different tastes. Never will be a concrete answer. But let’s be clear, it wasn’t on Kareem to approach him for anything. He owed Shaq nothing. Shaq should have and could have talked to him if he wanted to.

  • Evan Boland

    And Kobe raped him in 08, and has been a far superior player to Duncan for the last 6 years.

  • Evan Boland

    Shaq over the dream.

  • Got’em

    Looks like you just destroyed that brother. Where he at with the reply lol!

  • http://triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    George Mikan picked himself and Vlade Divac….!

  • havoc33

    I don’t know about that, it is extremely close. You can’t really knock anyone who would take kobe over duncan. Kobe and Duncan would probably be around 6th or 7th all time respectively (or you can swap that around, I have no problem with that).
    I will say this though, I’d definitely take Kobe over Shaq. Shaq might have hit a higher ceiling than Kob, but overall Kobe’s career has been better.

  • RKJ92

    No it hasn’t.. Shaq is a 4 time Champion, and 2-3 time finals mvp, and most dominant force of all time.. it’s already been shown that Kobe was 2nd fiddle to him the greatest of all time list is currently (in order).. Michael, Wilt, Russell, Kap, Magic, Larry, Duncan, Shaq, Robertson, like do you really think Kobe is even on the level of all of those guys? your crazy… These are guys who could add 20+ wins to any given team they played on, the MOST win shares Kobe has ever added to a team was 15.3 this conversation shouldn’t even be had..

  • havoc33

    yeah, I’m crazy for a having a different opinion than you. Right.

    I stand by what I said, I’d take Kobe over Shaq. If anything, Shaq UNDERACHIEVED. With his physical dominance, he should have been top 5, but he isn’t. Phil managed to set him straight for one season, and then he put up one of the sickest campaigns ever seen. But of course after winning it all, he was content and came in way out of shape again the next year.

    Besides, for the 2nd and 3rd championship, Kobe was no mere 2nd fiddle. He was arguably option 1b. He was the Lakers floor leader and go to guy down the stretch. Had the best allround skills in the league back then. Did a lot of the heavy lifting for the Lakers throughout the regular seasons and in the Playoffs, where he went on an absolutely epic run in ’01, trashing the Kings and Spurs in the process.

    The fact that Kobe went through a total rebuilding of the Lakers after Shaq left, and still managed to go to three straight Finals and win two championships speaks volumes. He proved all the naysayers wrong. In the end, Kobe has simply played at a higher level for longer than Shaq did. His overall stats and accolades prove that.

  • Packs On

    Bro… I respect that you have the right to have a different opinion; however, it is incorrect. As reported, the lakers were significantly better with Shaq playing without Kobe (.780ish winning %) than with Kobe playing without Shaq (1 game of .500). When both played the lakers were .750ish but definitely lower than .780ish mark, which indicates Shaq elevated the team…Kobe not so much. Additionally, Shaq would be putting up 35 15 3 etc in the finals and would be elevating his play for the finals while Kobe production has been shown to severely decrease. Kobe was the 2nd fiddle for all 3 rings and his high volume shooting against pistons had something g to do with the lakers losing that series. Yes, Kobe had some great series, but as proven without Shaq, the lakers would probably not make the playoffs.

    Additionally, Kobe didn’t prove the naysayers wrong. When he didn’t have significant help relative to rest of league, his team either didn’t make the playoffs or were 8th seed at best. Yes the west was harder, but that doesn’t make up for the fact that Lebron took an equally bad cavalier teams to heights he took them to. Even with great help, Kobe’s squad has been either swept from playoffs or had really low seed.

    So many stats point to Kobe not really helping his team win. For instance, if he shoots more than certain times or scores more than certain points, the lakers were more likely going to lose the game. Does it make sense that the more your star player scores or has the ball in his hands, the worse your team does? Additionally, if memory serves best, the LAL during those days with gasol, championship teams were like 14-1 when Kobe didn’t play. I don’t know if that’s exact record, but I know it was something outrageous like that.

    Yes, I agree. Shaq didn’t reach potential as everyone thought he should have; however, undermining the presence of Shaq, his post game, and athleticism is simply ridiculous. What he did and the dominance he exerted on the league is unquestionable.

    Ultimately, it comes down to Kobe’s inefficient volume scoring that hasn’t really led hi team to victory as his fans like to believe and compel others to believe vs. a super efficient big who statistically with accomplishments led his squad to victory.

    Kobe has played longer because Shaq wore down from the constant abuse he received and simply because he has a bigger frame, issues could arise. I think the half life for centers maybe pretty small, centers who play extended minutes, carry their squad, and literally get hacked every time they touch the ball.

    Even thn if you factor in individual game with team success, I’m pretty confident Shaq takes the cake. I do respect both, tho.

  • RKJ92

    Packs On just said everything I needed to.. refer to his comment underneath.

  • Packs On

    Thanks, bruh. But, real talk, why would anyone take a guard over a center like Shaq. Besides really Jordan, LeBron, Bird, Magic, maybe Big O, I’m going with a dominant center unquestionably. With those names above, it depend on case by case basis.

  • RKJ92

    Centers win championships; but some people are to ignorant in their own emotional attachment to a player to actually want to believe it.

  • Dfrance

    There were only 4 rules back then tho.

  • TR

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rN70IuofGw ….shaq vs hakeem in the finals..looks like a pretty good match up if u ask me for those who act like this MFer got worked all series without doing damage himself.

  • havoc33

    I respect your opinion as well, but simply viewing stats like that is revisionist history at its best. Stats can be tweaked to support almost any argument, you should know that. The fact that you call Kobe out on his “inefficient volume scoring”, yet fail to address Shaq’s lack of self motivation and conditioning as for one of the main reasons why his peak was not longer than it was, smells of a clear cut bias.
    Plenty of people have Kobe ahead of Shaq in their rankings, and it is exactly because of his longevity that he is. Not that it’s the final word or anything, but Bill Simmons Book of Basketball also has Kobe ahead of Shaq in the GOAT discussion. Surely, there must be some valid reasons for him to do so. ;)

    By the way, I can’t believe that you resorted to using the Lakers early Playoff exits in 06 and 07 as an argument against Kobe. That’s such a stupid argument. If anything, we all should be sad Kobe wasted three of his best years playing on those teams. Have you forgotten that before the 06 season started, basically NONE of the previews had the Lakers making the Playoffs? Yet they did, in the much tougher Western Conference, and were one rebound away from a upset against the Suns. That’s a testiment to Kobe’s skill more than anything, he played with Smush and Kwame in the starting lineup for chrissakes.

  • havoc33

    I respect your opinion as well, but simply viewing stats like that is revisionist history at its best. Stats can be tweaked to support almost any argument, you should know that. The fact that you call Kobe out on his “inefficient volume scoring”, yet fail to address Shaq’s lack of self motivation and conditioning as for one of the main reasons why his peak was not longer than it was, smells of a clear cut bias.
    Plenty of people have Kobe ahead of Shaq in their rankings, and it is exactly because of his longevity that he is. Not that it’s the final word or anything, but Bill Simmons Book of Basketball also has Kobe ahead of Shaq in the GOAT discussion. Surely, there must be some valid reasons for him to do so. ;)

    By the way, I can’t believe that you resorted to using the Lakers early Playoff exits in 06 and 07 as an argument against Kobe. That’s such a stupid argument. If anything, we all should be sad Kobe wasted three of his best years playing on those teams. Have you forgotten that before the 06 season started, basically NONE of the previews had the Lakers making the Playoffs? Yet they did, in the much tougher Western Conference, and were one rebound away from a upset against the Suns. That’s a testiment to Kobe’s skill more than anything, he played with Smush and Kwame in the starting lineup for chrissakes.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    if only people looked at things from a more well informed position

  • Ugh

    Watching Russell run the break, or chase down a guard making a layup, is a thing of beauty. His movement towards the ball is god-like. I’ve never seen anything like it since.

  • Ugh

    Wow. That’s the most ignorant thing I’ve seen on here today.

  • Dfrance

    Really? THATS the most ignorant thing you’ve read on heretoday?

    You play basketball? You don’t think there are 100, more effective drills to teach young bigs to keep the ball high and finish under the basket? Ever been to a HS or college practice? I guarantee you no one is doing that drill.

  • havoc33

    I understand what you’re saying, and normally that is the rule you have to follow. On the other hand, Kobe is a top 10 alltime player, second best SG of alltime. He proved his worth sans Shaq, put up spectacular individual seasons, went to three straight Finals, winning two. Laker management got a lot of heat for choosing Kobe over Shaq in 2004, but in the end you can’t argue with their decision. If you’re gonna put the Big O in the discussion, then you should put Kobe in there as well IMO.

  • Evan Boland

    Just watched the final game of Indi-LAL Finals. When it matters most, three straight baskets, Kobe feeding Shaq. DUO. He also hit all the clutch FT’s, and the final shot. Like I said, you guy’s only know STATS, not ball. I lol’d that it was on NBA Chanel. If you wanna see why Kobe is one of the all-time greats, tune in to the nba channel this week. TONS of vintage Kobe.

  • Evan Boland

    Kobe was amazing in the Pacers series, you fool. See, this is why I lol at you stat heads. He got 6 points in 1 game ’cause HE GOT INJURED. He shot a horrible % from the field in the close out game but HE WAS THE DIFFERENCE. I truly believe that anyone, and I mean anyone, watched Kobe’s 3 best post-seasons and the Bron’s, would see that Kobe is on his level, and does a lot of things better, is more clutch, and has more of a winners attitude.

  • RKJ92

    -.-’

  • p

    u people know nothing about basketball. kobe was better against the spurs in 01..THATS THE ONLY TIME HE WAS EVER BETTER

    2002 WCF
    Shaq – 30.3 ppg, .532fg%
    kobrick – 27.1ppg, .419fg%

    2000 WCF
    Shaq – 25.9 ppg , .537fg%
    kobrick – 20.4 ppg, .439fg%

  • Evan Boland

    Dude these guy’s are hopeless, don’t bother. They ride Lebron ’till they die.

  • Evan Boland

    Good response, you def know your stuff.

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