Monday, August 12th, 2013 at 2:23 pm  |  39 responses

Archie Goodwin Plans on Giving ‘Hell’ to Teams That Passed on Him

by Tzvi Twersky | @ttwersky

After a so-so freshman season on an underachieving University of Kentucky team ended with him sliding to No. 29 in the 2013 NBA Draft, Phoenix Suns guard Archie Goodwin has a simple message for the League:

“It would have been great to have been drafted where I thought I should have been,” Goodwin told SLAM during last week’s Panini photo shoot portion of the Rookie Transition Program. “Now every team that didn’t pick me, I’ve got to give them hell.”

At only 18 years of age, Goodwin was not only the youngest player selected in this past June’s Draft but also, admittedly, one of the rawest. If Summer League in Las Vegas, where he averaged 13.1 ppg and 3.3 rpg, was an indicator, the native of Little Rock, AR, is on the way to shushing his detractors and backing up his bold words.

“The experience of playing with guys that had been [at Summer League] before really helped me,” said Goodwin. “I did pretty good. I did better than people thought I would do.”

Part of that had to do with what looked to be, forgive the small sample size, a revamped jump shot.

Best known as an elite athlete, in 33 games at Kentucky last season Goodwin shot 44 percent from the field and only hit 17 threes (27 percent). This past July, however, in seven Summer League games he accumulated 8 threes on 57 percent shooting.

“I’ve been working a lot on my shot, just getting it more consistent,” said Goodwin. “I just needed to be able to showcase my skills and showcase what I’ve been working on.”

With a strong summer behind him and a verbal promise from Coach Jeff Hornacek that he’s going to play right away on a rebuilding Suns team, Goodwin is poised to show his fellow rookies and the rest of the League that it’s not about where you start, but rather where you finish.

“I know a lot of guys in this [Draft] class are not better than me,” said Goodwin. “I’m blessed to even be here, but to see how far I slid down—it was a surprise. Every game I go into, I’m showing every team that didn’t pick me that they made a mistake.”

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  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Dude just work hard and try to outplay everyone. Getting tired of all these “chip on my shoulder” cliches. Just go out and play ball and the results shall speak for themselves.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ben Osborne

    Good stuff, TT

  • Tom Golding

    Hope he plans on giving ‘hell’ to his Phoenix Suns as well who also passed on him

  • anon

    Ah, it’s not like he was shouting in the middle of the street about how great he is. He was asked some questions by a reporter and answered them. He wanted to show he’s driven and dedicated. Would you have preferred him say “both teams played hard”?

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I get that. I guess I’m the type of person that doesn’t get the whole “got to give them hell” approach. I mean if you have that type of animosity then fine but I wouldn’t say that to a reporter.

  • RKJ92

    I personally LOVE Archie’s game he should become a solid player, can’t believe how many teams passed on him, just crazy..

  • shockexchange

    SE saw Goodwin at the Franchise Classic (now “Big Strick Classic”) a few years ago all up in Harlem ( http://clicky.me/6C5x ) Goodwin proved he was a gifted scorer. However, at the NBA level, teams will take away his first option and force him to be as good a passer, rebounder, defender, playmaker, etc. in order for him to get quality minutes. In HS and at Kentucky Goodwin was playing checkers, now he has to learn how to play chess.

  • http://twitter.com/niQknacks niQ

    While I like his drive, it also sounds like he’s going to go tunnel vision and try to get his everytime he gets the ball.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    why? they passed on him 4th overall…..not somewhere that was realistic for him to get upset over.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    management loves those tho

  • Tom Golding

    5th overall bud. And he said “I’m showing EVERY team that didn’t pick me that they made a mistake.”

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    Very true.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “I know a lot of guys in this [Draft] class are not better than me,” said Goodwin. “I’m blessed to even be here, but to see how far I slid down—it was a surprise”

    How Far. I took that as, he understands where he was originally projected to go (8-15) earlier in the year.

  • Tom Golding

    He slid down the board for a reason though and he obviously can’t see that

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he can’t? because he said he would give them hell? i thought he slid too far, considering his game will obviously mix a lot better with the NBA game then it did in college…..i’m sure he understands he slid because he didn’t perform to expectations in college….understanding and agreeing are two fundamentally different things.

  • Tom Golding

    Will it mix better in the NBA though? The 3 point shot is more prominent in the NBA than ever and shooting 27% won’t cut it…that he doesn’t understand.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he doesn’t? “I’ve been working a lot on my shot, just getting it more consistent,” said Goodwin
    Sounds like you didn’t really read the article.

  • Tom Golding

    dont think you read the article bud….go by the facts 27% that is all

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he’s 18 years old, the “facts” are that an 18 year old who has spent his basketball life living at the rim will never have a well defined jump shot. he’s been so much better then his competition his entire life, he’s never had to work on his jumper.


    we can just a kid based on his 3pt % when they were 18…..let’s do that.


    LeBron James – 29% 3ptFG% Cleveland Cavaliers 2003

    Tony Parker – 27% 3ptFG% San Antonio Spurs 2005

    John Wall – 29% 3ptFG% Washington Wizards 2010


    Not knowing how to shoot when you dominate all your competition is pretty normal.


    Then Archie struggled (last year)….and now has mentioned that as the part of his game he is most focused on.


    Doesn’t at all sound like someone to say, “shooting 27% won’t cut it…that he doesn’t understand.” about at all to me.

  • Caboose

    It’s conversations like this that really make me wonder, why bother?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i like arguing

  • Tom Golding

    ah mate youre long

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    seven sentences and 3 stats….
    too much.
    can’t go on.
    no wonder actually reading the article was so tough for you.

  • Phoenix suns

    He has time to develop a 3 point shot look at Danny green I bet no one knew who he was before the finals. He also didn’t have a stroke from 3 until he got into the nba Goodwin has time to develop. How many 17 year old college basketball do you see starting and putting up 15+ a game

  • noitall

    This whole “I’m gonna show everyone that passed on me” cliche is exactly what is wrong with people today.

    While certainly having motivation to prove your self is a huge positive, this idea that you are motivated to prove others wrong is a misapplication of that motivation.

    Maybe instead of saying others are at fault for your situation, you actually take accountability for your own actions thus far that have created this situation. Instead of proving something to others, maybe work to earn something by working harder or playing well enough to warrant some level of assessed value or worth to a team. Maybe rather than playing with a chip on your shoulder about how everyone else got it wrong, actually listen and learn so that you can go forward with your career and get it right.

  • Jeremiah Holkko

    “I’m Showing every team that didn’t PICK me that they made a mistake”
    He was indeed PICKED by the Suns. If he said every team that PASSED on him would pay than your statement might make sense, but that isn’t what he said.

  • Jeremiah Holkko

    He wasn’t at all unselfish in summer league. He also appeared to have a higher BB IQ than most though he had going into the draft as well.

  • Eldon Khorshidi

    Yes yes

  • Caboose

    Not sure if compliment or…

  • Busta213

    That sounds fine….until you remember MJs HOF speech. you don’t get much more petty minded than the GOAT, but it clearly worked. Bottom line is use whatever motivates you to improve.

  • Enigmatic

    All summer long everything is talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk ta-sorry, I’m going nucking futs over here, the NBA season needs to start already. Damn the talking and start playing!

  • coachj

    let us remember it correctly.

    Young people who haven’t done squat and passing their situation off as other people’s doing.


    Guy who completely dominated everyone saying anything he wants AFTER he destroyed them.

    Not the same thing.

  • BugEyes

    These are troubling times my friend, the 3 off months for me seems like a year I miss NBA a lot

  • Marvis Irwin

    i think he should have stayed one more year! just sayin………As a UK fan, i wish he would have stayed one more year. Yet, I have to wake up to the fact that UK is the home of the one and done. I ready to see how Marcus Smart turns out.

  • berkamore

    He should just……………….play and not worry about “settling scores”.

    Tony Parker was selected with the 29th pick too. I am sure that quite a few people don’t advertise having passed on him on their resumes. LOL.

  • Basketball Coach

    i agree, they tend to give a lot of meaning to a single word that comes out of your mouth.


  • Dale_Rogers

    Wow, talk about ego! Him and Noel, both! News for you guys, you don’t get drafted where YOU think you should be drafted. You get drafted where the professionals who pay your salary think you should be. I guess here’s one Calipari told would be much higher in the draft if he went to Kentucky. Oops, Calipari does it again.

  • motherfucker

    he gonna be the best pro five years from now mock my words

  • Abe

    Shutup tom, you’re annoying.