Friday, September 27th, 2013 at 11:35 am  |  22 responses

Rudy Gay Downplays Advanced Stats Criticism

Toronto Raptors forward Rudy Gay isn’t very popular with the advanced stats crowd. He knows this, but says he’s not too worried about the critics. As long as his peers in the League continue to respect him — the Raptors finally starting to win would certainly help – Gay says that he’ll be fine. Per NBA.com: “No player is caught in the cross hairs of the NBA’s analytics revolution quite like Rudy Gay. The 6-foot-8 slashing small forward is the enemy of the computer. It doesn’t value his game and it makes no apologies. Gay doesn’t shoot enough 3-pointers or shoot them particularly well, and worse, he takes alarmingly too few from the high-percentage corners. He doesn’t get to the free-throw line frequently enough. When he’s not slashing to the rim, the majority of his scoring chances come from analytical no-man’s land — the mid-range. Combine it all with his low shooting percentages last season and the advanced stats — Effective Shooting Percentage (eFG%), True Shooting Percentage (TS%) and Offensive Rating (offRtg) – offer a less flattering assessment than his conventional 18.2 ppg, 6.1 rpg and 2.7 apg. ‘Honestly, how I view it, a computer can’t tell talent, it just can’t,’ Gay said. ‘When it comes down to it, it’s all about winning, and however you get the win. According to analytics, you either [have] to shoot a 3 or get to the foul line, and it’s not good for people like me that live in that mid-range area.’ [...] ‘It’s tough,’ Gay said. ‘Obviously, according to analytics, some of my opponents wouldn’t value me as much as they do. So, a computer can say what it wants, but as long as I get respect from my peers, that’s all that matters.’ [...] Gay had laser surgery to correct a vision problem he said he never realized how bad it really was. He said his blurred vision wasn’t why he shot just 41.6 percent overall and 32.3 percent from beyond the arc last season, the second consecutive season in which his shooting percentages plunged. ‘Honestly, I had two bad years of shooting the ball and this last year was really bad, so I just had to go back to the basics,’ Gay said of his offseason workouts. ‘It wasn’t as much my eye sight as it was my form. So, this summer I really had to go back to the basics and fix a couple things and sharpen up my shooting.’ He spent the majority of the summer in his hometown of Baltimore and worked out at his old high school with his personal trainer, Dustin Gray, who Gay said literally moved in with him. Gay said he spent hours each day homing in on the ‘little things,’ the details in his approach and shooting stroke.”

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  • Cortez Mack

    “it’s all about winning”

    Now he should point to his extensive NBA winning stats.

    …oh, wait.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    Can’t wait for one of my favorite players in the league to make that leap like Paul George did last season. Rudy can do it.

  • http://twitter.com/niQknacks niQ

    It would be pretty awesome if his FG% made huge strides just because of that laser eye surgery… lol

  • Saleem Rainman

    …what? how are they even comparable? How many years older is Gay than George? If he was gonna make that jump he would have done it years ago.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    He was about to make that jump when he was in Memphis right before he messed up his shoulder. He’s still fairly young. 27 years old. I truly believe he hasn’t reached his peak yet.

  • spit hot fiyah

    a computer can’t see talent but it can fix his eye sight

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I actually dig this quote from him. Taking responsibility for how he plays. Acknowledging his style doesn’t appeal to the new analytics crowd. Talking about how he’s working on his jumper, instead of blaming his vision. I hope he has a sort of renaissance.

  • Clos1881

    Analytics will mean something when these teams win the jags use analytics and that’s working pretty well I don’t need a computer to tell me who can play its so many variables that those stats don’t account for that make them irrelevant in my book.

  • James

    as someone who played all through high school without normally wearing contacts or my glasses i can say that makes a big difference in shooting, if you have bad eye sight your depth perception is horrible (like mine was) making it harder to make a basket no matter how good your form is. excited to see rudy play this upcoming season

  • Lloyd

    Take the blame, promise to work harder/be better. Great to see!


    i really hope him & dd bring us to the playoffs next year. everyone in canada has tears in there eyes and drake’s new album is not helping it.

  • RKJ92

    Maybe that’s he’s dominating other teams, and we didn’t get him for Ed Davis.

    ..oh, wait

  • Cortez Mack

    I’m not quite sure of the point you are attempting to make.

    Gay dismisses his critics because, according to him, advance stats do not really matter and that WINNING is the only thing that counts (and the respect of his peers, I think).

    I simply pointed out that, by his own primary metric (winning), he has been a failure, deserving of criticism.

    It’s good for him that he identified his vision issues and I wish him the best in life but if anyone watched him play, his problem has not been missing quality wide open jumpshots. The problem is his overall shot selection in the first place.

    Unless he alters his approach to the game, he is simply going to be a loser (NBA results wise) with excellent 20/15 vision.

    But at least he is better than Ed Davis. That will be a nice trophy for his resume.

    …oh, wait.

  • Max

    My shooting was actually a little bit better when I used to play without contacts.

  • RKJ92

    Advanced stats are the future of the NBA, and Rudy gay is terrible right now. LeBron, and Durant are both analytic players that study their advanced stats all the time, and have said so on multiple occasions which is most likely why they are the best in the league.. maybe if he paid attention to the stats he would be able to produce better then most his peers. But I guess you know everything right?

    …oh, wait.

  • pposse

    doubit it this isn’t baseball.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol, what do you think the SportVU cameras that are being installed in every stadium are for? Cool highlight tapes?

  • Cortez Mack

    “…Rudy gay is terrible right now.”

    Glad we agree.

    …now if we could only get Rudy to agree.

  • pposse

    if advanced stats are going to bring in more jobs then im all for it. I don’t think its necessary; NBA basketball is a league comprised of maybe 400 players tops. The stat tracking is good in football and baseball who got like 5,000 plus players to track and dwindle down into final rosters. NBA is just so exclusive, the NBDL is not a huge league, and the NCAA div. 1 rosters are maybe what 15 guys? At the highschool level scouts can probably benefit greatly, but hs gyms won’t have these sportvu cameras. If the NBA had an extensive farm system then yeah it would be useful. Right now, you can determine who can play and who can not play by the eye test more or less. As far as players go, if they need to look at their advanced stats to get better then go ahead, but I don’t remember MJ or anyone else from yesteryear doing this, and they compare just fine with their advanced stats.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    First of all, every single NbA team now used an analytics department…and a few teams have led the charge,
    Man, the teams leading the advanced metrics revolution are the following (let me know if you notice anything) .
    San Antonio Spurs (started it)
    Houston Rockets (most advancements)
    Dallas Mavericks (most $ spent)
    Miami heat (more in the last 4 years)
    Oklahoma City Thunder (yea……)

  • pposse

    still don’t see how it correlates to the success of any of those teams.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, well open your eyes.