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Wednesday, October 16th, 2013 at 12:50 pm  |  81 responses

Polled NBA Players Pick Jordan Over LeBron and Kobe to Take Last Shot


If Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and LeBron James were all somehow in their primes and on the court together, the vast majority of 26 NBA players polled by ESPN say they want MJ taking the last shot (though, interestingly enough, a quarter of the players in the poll think LBJ will go down as the best of all time): “Asked which player they wanted to take the last shot with the clock winding down and a game on the line, 88 percent of the players picked Jordan, with Bryant getting the other 12 percent. ‘That’s like ranking the shortest giant,’ an Eastern Conference guard said. ‘I’d want the ball in LeBron’s hands at the end of the game, but I’d want him to pass to Kobe or Jordan for the last shot. And don’t forget, LeBron is not a great free throw shooter, either.’ According to ESPN Stats & Information, James actually is a better shooter from the field than Bryant on game-tying or go-ahead field goals in the final 24 seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime of postseason games. He checks in at 41.2 percent (7-for-17), while Bryant is at 25 percent (7-for-28). Jordan rules that stat, though, at 50 percent (9-for-18). Yet, 23 percent of players polled think James will be considered the best player in history when his career is over. ‘I don’t know if he’ll be able to match Michael Jordan’s rings, but he’ll be top 10 in points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals when his career is over,’ a former teammate said. ‘To do that in this era, you have to call LeBron the greatest ever.’”

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  • pposse

    but this has nothing to do with Lebrons fear of failure. haha

  • star

    wish we knew which former teammate said that

  • BugEyes

    Ain’t lying

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this poll was taken before that article came out. how can something that has never been mentioned be a factor?

  • bike

    Something tells me that if you calculate the sampling error around the percentages based on a sample of only 26 players, those percentages are essentially worthless.

  • pposse

    bc you dont need to read an article and hear it from the horses mouth to see the truth. Eye test NBK, told you you will never understand unless its written on a sheet of paper or in stat form. They did not create this advanced stat yet, fear not hopefully one day they will so you can factor in your analysis.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    man i’m just going to be honest.

    your hate for LeBron turns you into a dumbass. fear of failure is normal. nobody “factor’s” that in.

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    if “fear of failure” ever mattered before today, today wouldn’t be the first day you bring it up.

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    see, “bc you dont need to read an article and hear it from the horses mouth to see the truth”

    is exactly what you are doing. you heard the horse say he feared failure, and now will not let it go. when, before the horse opened his mouth, you never said anything about “fear of failure”
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    idiot.

  • pposse

    what are you talkin about, its been said numerous times to not trust lebron in the clutch lol. He just provided proof as to why not. If i’m coaching a grown man and say “hey i want you to take the shot” and the grown man says “im scared” ill turn to the next guy and say “hey i want you to take the shot” This aint Mighty Ducks lol.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    except LeBron is the best “clutch” player since Jordan. you know, if you do more than listen to the narrative fed to you by talking heads.
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    which is why i showed you, LeBron has hit as many “clutch” shots in the playoffs as Kobe….despite being in the league for 7 less years….and over 700 less games.

  • Conor

    “the vast majority of 26 players” LOL

    You cannot say “over Kobe AND LEBRON” when, even drawn from such a small group of opinion, when the latter did not receive a single vote.

  • Lloyd

    Damn I want the participant list from this poll.

  • thebossman15

    dude..i can think of tons of memorable kobe game winners, same for mj, and one for lebron(against the magic) when u think of guys too shoot a game winner nobodys thinking of lebron, get off his nuts.
    The other 6 shots lebron hit were likely game tying shots cuz that dude isnt clutch at all in terms of actually winning games at the buzzer..and post-season aside, during the regular season this stat has kobe and jordan in a league of their own

  • Saleem Rainman

    “I have self-doubt,” Bryant says. “I have insecurity. I have fear of failure. I have nights when I show up at the arena and I’m like, ‘My back hurts, my feet hurt, my knees hurt. I don’t have it. I just want to chill.’ We all have self-doubt. – KOBE BEAN BRYANT

  • pposse

    and you see all of that on lebron, its written on his face not on a stat sheet, never on kobes face during bball games.

  • pposse

    should be 6 for 16. The shot against the Pacers was a travel.

    i posted on here enough, what talking head do i listen to? 0!

  • thebossman15

    exactly

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL, you want to recite all of Jordan and Kobe’s, make sure none of those had some uncalled infraction happen during the shot?
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    keep swinging and missing.

  • pposse

    well there is only 7 for Kobe and 9 for MJ. How about you do it? you like reading numbers all the time don’t you? What talking head do i listen to? Tell me..you keep adding all these slights with zero foundation to your responses to me. A mark of a true youngster.

  • thebossman15

    Pposse left this one out.. you are now down too 5 hahaha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhbM6uuCt74

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    remembering them, and them happening are different. LeBron has hit as many clutch shots within 24 seconds as Kobe in the playoffs. Agree, remember or not, that’s just a fact. i’m not saying this to downplay Kobe’s “clutch gene” or Jordans or anything like that. It’s just to show that “fear of failure” as pposse is so ignorantly focused on, in no way shape or form as affected his performance in those situations in a more negative way then say, Kobe’s “lack of fear” if that even exists.
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    what is so hard to understand? the argument has literally nothing to do with LeBron, or his nuts. It’s about pposse being irrational about one sentence in an interview.
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  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    why? i’m not the one worried about these actual shots. even if it were 6, or 5. it doesn’t change that he clearly takes and makes them. and at a higher rate than say Kobe, who you are arguing doesn’t have this “fear of failure” that so obviously in your opinion has such a drastic effect on performance.
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    the point is, what you are saying is your opinion. everything we have at our disposal says your opinion is wrong. so arguing like you are at some point going to be proven right is fruitless and stupid.
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    you are being stupid. end of story. that’s what i’m trying to tell you. i don’t care about your already broken feelings about LeBron, i accepted the irrational part of that a while ago.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you two watch basketball the last 2 seasons or nah? having that fear is fine…considering he has gotten over it. which is the whole point of this conversation. stop focusing so much on something that is so normal…. this is what everyone is trying to get pposse to see. that’s it.

  • pposse

    5/15 is %33 buddy, although greater than 28% not nearly as much as your trying to make it seem. You like numbers right? Just know when you say grandiose words like “clearly takes and makes” you are arguing about 5% points.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    And 5% is still clearly higher…. And again, the point is “fear of failure” is not a big deal. It’s normal. Stop over reacting.

  • thebossman15

    what fear? i never mentioned anything about fear, i simply sided with pposse’s argument that kobe doesn’t display any type of fear when he is on the court whereas you can easily read it in lebrons game and face..im sure kobe uses a fear of failure too fuel him. Where are your fellow lebron joy-riders when you need them huh?

    i did watch basketball the last 2 seasons but the difference between me and you is that i also watched basketball in the years before that, unlike the majority of the lebron nut-riders on this page i can recall kobe absolutely dominating his opponents and leading his team too 2 championships in a row, and of course 3 rings before that..and i also remember what jordan did..they also hit a lot of game winners that i can recall..i cant recall any lebron hit which is why i mentioned they were probably tying baskets or something because believe it or not lebron was one of my favourite players for a while as hard as that may seem too believe lmao, i remember being disappointed watching that dude at the end of games

  • thebossman15

    so what he shoots 5% better kobe still hit 2 more shots..thats 2 more games won

  • robb

    zzzzzzzzzz

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Woohoo! He’s played 700+ more games too…2 more games won? You win.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I don’t care about any of what you just said. I’m not getting in a Kobe/LeBron debate. Way to take this out of context tho. Obviously Kobe is a sensitive spot for you. Sorry to get you so worked up.

  • Cortez Mack

    Some of you are letting your Bryant/James hatred drive you insane.

    The question at hand is, who would you want taking the last shot in a game. It is not who do you want with the ball in his hands at the end of a game so that he will make the pass if some lesser teammate has a clearer look.

    Saying you would want Bryant to take that shot is not “crazy” despite the advanced stats that seem to give James a statistical “advantage”. Who would actually argue that James has a better jumpshot than Kobe Bryant? Or better footwork? Or a larger variety of moves to get a shot off in the first place? Or for that matter, has the internal mental state that the shot is going to go in the first place?

    No one.

    We all just watched James win 2 championships. Clearly he was the key factor in the wins but (despite his adequate outside the paint shooting in game 7) he clearly was avoiding taking wide open shots. They were 6 feet off of him and STILL going under the screen being set! I had never seen anything like it. If someone played 6 feet off of Bryant, Anthony, Durant and had the gall to go UNDER THE SCREEN after a pick (with no hedge!) those guys (and any other quality perimeter player) would have 50 by halftime. That tells you a little something about his confidence in taking shots.

  • Jay Cutler

    Actually, there are statistical methods which allow you to control for small sample size.

    Easy example: You’ve got a super rare disease that affects only 7 people worldwide. You are a drug manufacturer and you want to decide whether your drug is better than a placebo against the disease. You can either:

    a) Throw your hands in the air because an internet message board commenter has decided sample sizes of 26 are “worthless”

    or

    b) Understand how statistics works.

    If you’re going to make claims about how statistics works, you should at least have done some reading on the variety of problems statistics is equipped to solve.

  • pposse

    I think his drive and never being afraid to fail is what made him, and he would be unbelievable still today because of that.

    Do you ever battle a fear of failure?
    That’s one of my biggest obstacles. I’m afraid of failure. I want to succeed so bad that I become afraid of failing.

    - That is how the conversation went. And btw your boy Lebron thinks that the can drop 40 ppg in the league today too if he concentrated on it. But according to you MJ could not average 45 ppg in this day and age.

    Eat on all of that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Nobody disputed how the conversation went, good lord why isn’t this getting through to you? He has a fear of failure, SO WHAT? It obviously has not stopped him the last 2 years. So it’s something he can manage. No reason to make a big deal out of it in 2013.
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    My boy LeBron? Man, you really don’t get that I don’t care about any of these guys? He can’t average 40,
    I don’t care if he said it. That, just like when other people say things, doesn’t make him right.

  • Conor

    Whens, whens, whens…

  • Conor

    Nope! He’s impervious to criticism of blatant flaws! Don’t be cruel, Cortez!

  • Saleem Rainman

    man that waas a clear call lol

  • Evan Boland

    lol, YES!!

  • Evan Boland

    Fear of HIS BODY BREAKING DOWN CAUSE HE’S PUSHING IT TOO FAR. NOT FAILURE.

  • Evan Boland

    Qft

  • Evan Boland

    Honestly though, backing out of the argument ’cause your cronies aren’t here is pretty weak, imo. Everything they’re stating is fact. Bron’s scared. Kobe is not. It is clear as day.

  • Evan Boland

    None of that is true man. Kobe had over 7 cold-blooded clutch shots this season.

  • Evan Boland

    It did stop him, though. Did you watch the Spurs series? It didn’t stop Ray Allen. Like it wouldn’t have stopped Kobe Bean.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    read better.

  • pposse

    okay fine you don’t care about these guys touche. Before the argument was these guys are all nostalgic, but now we have the best player in the league saying he can average 40. He surely can’t be nostalgic, but what does that make him..idk

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh, ok. it wasn’t 1-2 from 3 in the 10 seconds before that, that put Ray Allen in the position to tie the game or anything. Stop it. this isn’t a Kobe/LeBron debate, you people taking points in a comment out of context to morph this into a different debate is not what i’m trying to take part in. i get it, you are an unyielding Kobe fan. This isn’t about Kobe.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    irrationally confident. like the vast majority of great basketball players.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    backing out of an argument i’m not in…..

  • pposse

    when i read the piece i read it as literal as possible. I pretty much imagined Lebron freezing when he said those words, the way he has frozen on the bball court right before he gets back into his old habits.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    …….ok? you are acting like past failures define these guys or something. it is what it is, he fears failure. it isn’t stopping him from being overwhelmingly successful. so it isn’t a big deal. end of story.

  • pposse

    right now it is and will continue to stop him from being the greatest. And if i were his coach, it would stop me from giving him the ball at end of game situations. I’ll give it to Wade now.

  • cbranson05

    seems like the same story every year

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “right now it is and will continue to stop him from being the greatest”

    hey look, pretend it’s 1992, and look at that, you and a bunch of other people just wrote that sentence about Michael Jordan.

  • bike

    Assume that there are currently about 400 active players in the nba right now, 26 players amount to only 6 percent of what one may term the population. So in this case, the size of the population is known. Sampling error, or variance, is a function of variance between the responses and number of samples taken from the population If you do the math, the error around each percentage in this poll is going to be high – in statistical terms the error might overwhelm real difference between classes.
    I’m not knocking the poll or ESPN’s methods. It’s just that most polls and census figures attach an estimate of statistical reliability.
    That is all. LOL

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    What fear? Man, actually read the conversation. This has literally nothing to do with Kobe. Pposse just grabs at stuff when he’s trying to make his point. I’ll read the rest of your comment when I get home.

  • pposse

    “fear is an obstacle for some people….fear is an illusion” – Michael Jordan (I Can’t Accept Not Trying) – written by MJ in 1994.

    Thats the type of ish that needs to come outta Lebron’s mouth. Not this “I’m scared, MJ always shows no fear and I do” you said in a previous post that that his fear was not that of one seeing a lion – well during that time out in game 6 when these guys were down 5 with 38 seconds or whatever, Lebron looked like he was face to face with a lion.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    And then what happened? Tell me what did scared little LeBron run away from?
    Go to sleep.

  • pposse

    Well, Lebron bricked so bad on his first three pt attempt a long rebound was made possible. He then got a shot at redemption, but you and I both know that second shot would have never happened if TD was actually in the game. He made the next one after no one thought or even cared if he could/can.

    from winning championships in an ‘organic’ manner. Instead he created the super friends.

  • Evan Boland

    It is though. Because despite his greatness, we believe he could be better.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    you have something more valuable than repeating kobe quotes and you may not even know it. Respect your own history. Study your own lineage. tread carefully.

  • Evan Boland
  • Evan Boland

    Within 24 secs? Where do these parameters come up from though? Try final 2 min and OT. Try final 5 min.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Why don’t you just look at game 7′s…..or elimination games? I hate the clutch conversation, I like the 48 minute one A LOT better

  • Evan Boland

    Ya Lebron dominates those games from the get go which is great, but it when it doesn’t happen, and it’s a close game, I want Kobe or Mike, definitely NOT Lebron.

  • AddingVelocityDontTellMe

    The media’s engineering has a significant role in portraying kobe as a cold blood snake who has ice veins. In reality lebron has shown that he tends to make the smarter play in the final moments minus the all star game. Kobe just takes the shot no matter how his teammates are positioned. Reckless abandonment should not be lauded unless the numbers show otherwise.

    The above person stated that Kobe’s jumper form and lebron’s lack of confidence are factors that prove kobe is better performer in clutch. Peja, Dirk, Ray Allen don’t have standard forms but yet are considered as great shooters. But if I had to give the ball to anyone down the stretch it would be lebron regardless of where the ball is inbounded.

  • http://triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    Jordan has had paxson & kerr come up Big in his life with clutch shots….. lebron has also deferred to others for a clutch shot (ray allen…is he the only one for LeBron so far..?) Kobe has wanted to take every crucial shot…sometimes big shot rob was in the right place at the right and amazed everyone around him..but with guys like metta world and also derek fisher making amazing clutch plays the lakers got very lucky quite often….and it comes down to that in my opinion. Yes Kobe is as awesome as you think he is. But he’ll take the big risk for an incredibly low percentage shot and live or die by it…stats prove that. LeBron will look at what goes on around him and decide where the best option is even though his fans will say YOU ARE….. MJ WAS/IS a gangster…..and happened to take as many crucial shots as the next guy…but because happened to hit more…history writes itself.

  • adia

    have youseen the kobe article. kobe said he was afraid of failure. eat on all of that

  • pposse

    in regards to coming back from an achilles tear when he is what? 35 yrs old or something? Child please! Context bro! He aint talking about playing ball every day.

  • adia

    just for the word fear. haha its a matter of philosophy my friend. others say you need fear so you can rise aboveit. never feeling fear may make you feel relaxed or complacent. ow man. just for the word you criticize lbj. is this skip bayless? and btw much pressure on lebron than kobe. how would u have reacted if lbj averaged 7ppg on his rookie season? such a kobe die hard. exchange lbj with kobe last year heat would just make the playoffs. put lbj on lakers they could have won. killer instinct and whooping your teammates asses kind f threats didnt work hahahaah fear huh. haha

  • pposse

    first off what makes you think im a kobe die hard?

    Anyways…its the context he stated his case in my friend. Like i said in a previous post, Lebron praised MJ for not having any fear while admittedly said he gets scared, so yeah I am critisizing him for his philosophy..not a word he said.

    Sorry bro, if you exchange any top tier wing with Lebron and put them on Miami, Miami is taking the chip still. D Wade and Bosh are not pushovers like you all led to believe. Watch Miami get near or 70 wins this yr.

  • LLC#12

    Reading some of the comments on here reminds me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg_8knBHEyw

  • Evan Boland

    Let’s put it this way. Who do YOU want with the ball in their hands with 10 seconds left one point game? Lebron, or Kobe?

  • adia

    organic manner. what the. old shaq. old jjamison as his pippen? mo williams? eric snow. sasha. gooden. larry hughes? he went to the finals with boobie gibson as hs pippen. holy crap if only they drafted someone with potential. nah. trade? nah. 7 yeras and still no all star. who would want to wait on that. thats why kobe durant and drose and even harden areso lucky. getting all star teammates at such a young age. lebron and shaq? would they even lose a finals series? but he got old fat shaq. dang. thank you general manager. imoutta here.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LeBron

  • Evan Boland

    Well, I’m sorry to say, you’re a lost cause.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well i’m sorry to say, i’d rather have the guy who makes the right decision, then the guy who will force up a shot no matter what because he’s supposedly “fearless”
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    good basketball > hero ball
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    the statistics agree.
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    and you know what else? Jordan did the same things LeBron does in the final moments…..i.e. passing off the last shot to a better option.

  • Evan Boland

    So has Kobe he passed a game winner to Nash and one to Gasol this year. Did you look at the infographic I posted? Why do you think NONE of the players picked Lebron? These are peers voting. Why do you think NBA players come to Kobe’s defense when he get’s these low rankings you guys believe he deserves on EPSN/SLAM/SI lists? They play against the dude, and its pretty obvious to them as it should be to anyone who watches that Kobe is better one on one and can get off more difficult shots if need be.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    23% of them also picked LeBron to finish as the greatest player of all-time……………you think about that? none voted for LeBron to shoot the last shot (presumably because Jordan got the votes that would have been his, considering if Jordan/LeBron/Kobe are the choices, you pick Jordan before LeBron if you value the “right” decision, and Kobe over both if you value “hero-ball” — it’s really really simple. if you asked me to pick one, i’d pick Jordan too. That doesn’t say anything about the LeBron vs Kobe aspect of that question. Think deeply, is that graphic really supporting your stance on Kobe/LeBron at all? or is it just not a good example to be using? (the answer is the latter).

  • Evan Boland

    I’m showing you that out of 29 of Kobe and Lebron’s PEERS NONE of them want the ball in Lebron’s hands, while some of them actually want the ball in Kobe’s hands OVER MJ.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    read my comment again.

  • Jones

    The reason why defenders go under the screen with James is because of his unique ability to 1) score at the rim, and 2) pass the ball. Simple fact in basketball: shots at the rim are higher efficiency looks than shots from 18 feet. Defenses aren’t about to play tight on James when he is virtually automatic in the paint, even if he is a 50% shooter from midrange. Add his unselfishness and court vision to find the open man when he gets into the paint and this makes the pack the paint strategy the only one to use. Sagging off of James isn’t a weakness of James; it’s simply the defense picking the best

    You don’t see this with Bryant. Why? Because even while presupposing that Bryant has a superior midrange shot (which statistics have shown that he doesn’t have), he’s not as capable at scoring at the rim or passing to open teammates (it doesn’t mean he cannot do these things, I’m simply saying he isn’t as capable at these things as James). So defenses can afford to play him tighter on the perimeter to take away Bryant’s particular strengths (shooting from midrange). As a team defense however, it’s easier to play an opponent whose main weapon of scoring or creating a shot comes from the least effective area of the floor, and he wouldn’t simply “score 50″ when his choice of shots is not as effective. Add the fact that he isn’t as likely to pass the ball (or at least more likely to shoot the ball despite the presence of open teammates), and it’s easy to see why the objective data of Bryant in crunch time doesn’t support his reputation. This isn’t about “skill”, “will” or “moves”, it’s about on-court results. And the on-court results mostly favor James. Also, please don’t counter with ring count, especially when rings are only a measure of team play.

    Finally, as to your question about who should take the last shot – a question that you answered incorrectly – the correct answer isn’t even “LeBron” or “Kobe” or “(your favorite star player)”. It’s actually “the open man”. Years of data mining by analysts and NBA teams also support this fact (and you may Google this at your own leisure). You draw up a play, put the ball in the hands of your best shot-creators, and work to get the best shot on the floor possible. If the star is being guarded one-one-one and can create a open shot for himself, he takes it. If he is double-teamed, the ball *has* to move to an open teammate. Teams that succeed at this win a lot more often than teams that don’t, and even the great Michael Jordan had to learn that it’s better to work in unison with your teammates than playing one-on-five.

  • Jones

    Edit: Sagging off of James isn’t necessarily a *weakness* of James; it’s simply the defense picking the best way to guard their particular opponent.

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